Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Knock Off Brands, Teeny Boppers in Sephora & Gypsy Rose Fame

Episode Date: February 15, 2024

CC333: Do any of you moms always tend to go to sleep late? Lindsie learns of something called Revenge Bedtime. Kail and Lindsie go down the rabbithole of Shanna Moakler and the things she shared on Bunnie XO's podcast. Shanna makes some points that has Kail wondering when they should buy name brand stuff for the kids. The kids are everywhere and while it might bother some to see tweens at Sephora Lindsie sees it in another way. Gypsy Rose's rise to fame now that she's out of prison is a little unsettling and we have some thoughts to share.  Thank you to our sponsors! Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first month Progressive: Visit progressive.com to learn more Rocket Money: Manage your expenses the easy way by going to RocketMoney.com/COFFEECONVOS Stamps: Visit Stamps.com and use code COFFEE for a 4-week trial, free postage, and a digital scale! Thrive: Get an exclusive 20% off your first order when you visit thrivecausemetics.com/COFFEE

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say, thank you? This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship,

family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsay. Good morning and welcome back to another episode of Coffee Convos podcast. My voice is wrecked ma'am. Yeah, what were you doing? It wasn't that I was doing anything. Like I did go out with my friends on Saturday, like during the day, but this was coming on before that and I don't feel sick at all. My throat doesn't hurt at all and I just sound like this. So I don't know if it's the weather

changing as y'all's weather started to change a little bit. No, ours has just been like back and forth. So like there are some days that we can literally go out in a hoodie and then there are some days that it's freezing. So I wouldn't say that it's changing. It's just literally going back and forth. I feel like that's when everybody gets sick though. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's true. Um, I have been having the most vivid, crazy dreams. Like, have you ever had a dream that you're lying there, but you feel like you're awake, but you know that you're really asleep,

but you feel like what you're dreaming about, you're living it in real life? I'm pretty sure that's like sleep paralysis. That's like when you're dreaming about, you're living it in real life. I'm pretty sure that's like sleep paralysis. That's like when you're half asleep and half awake. Okay, well, that's what I have evidently. So we've diagnosed me. I dreamt that all of my spreadsheets and my Google Drive was deleted. I've never jumped up.

I was stressed. But I would feel. I have never jumped up out of the bed so quickly. And I was telling Kristin about this yesterday. And she was like, oh my god, I'm sure that you were so stressed when this was going on. And I was like, yeah. But have you also ever been in a dream

where you don't want to wake up because you want to feel like whatever's happening is continuing to happen. So you know how it ends. I feel like yeah, I can't, I haven't had that recently, but I feel like I've definitely had that before. So I'm like laying there thinking about these spreadsheets and I'm like, okay, keep telling me like what's happening, keep going. I wake up. This is the middle of the night. I'm searching all around my house from my laptop and Kristen was like, oh, I'm sure you were

because your laptop is all over the place all the time. Like it might be in your kitchen, your living room, your bedroom, because I just take this thing everywhere. Like that's the point of a freaking laptop. So couldn't locate the laptop. I'm searching around, stumped my toe and it was probably 3.30 or four o'clock in the morning and I'm

logging on to the Google Drive to make sure that everything's still there. I hate when I woke up this morning it was pure chaos and this morning I texted Elijah on the way to school. Actually I think I was on the way home by then. I was like where is the Pandora bracelet that I bought for Valley with a charm that I was gonna start like from when she was a baby? No idea where it is to find it have no idea. But over the weekend, I saw this article on CBS News and it was everywhere. You might have seen it. But a woman fatally stabs her boyfriend over 100 times and

she doesn't go to prison. Wait what? Yes. And so this was, this actually happened in 2018, but it's just now, I'm just now seeing it because I guess it's like recirculating because of the sentencing or lack thereof I should say. And so this woman claims that she was smoking weed and which is already like okay that's really weird uh not the smoking weed part but that she did this because

she was smoking weed she says yeah I feel like that is not a natural reaction no so it says a california woman who fatally stabbed her boyfriend more than 100 times during what prosecutors called a cannabis-induced psychosis has been spared prison time. The judge ruled this past Tuesday, so that's why it's like recirculating. The decision drew sobs of relief from the woman and obviously a rebuke from the victim's father. So I thought that was really interesting. How do you stab, I don't care if you were on something or off something, you stab someone a hundred times. Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's like an insanity plea almost.

I don't know how she would have gotten it because. So like how do you, how do you get that? Because you voluntarily smoke the weed, then you voluntarily stabbed somebody a hundred times and this person died, right? Yeah. And she's just out running the streets. Yep.

And so they ended up just, um, they ended, it says officer use a T, a taser and multiple baton blows before they were able to disarm her when this happened. Um, I've always wondered when I hear about like stabbings and stuff, I guess you just have to be in the mental state to like see something through like that. I don't know. I've never been in a mental state to like want to stab somebody. I was gonna say I've never even fantasized about stabbing someone.

No, but I couldn't imagine like, if I did it once, I would be absolutely mortified a hundred times. That's rage. That's passion. That's all the things I cannot and like location to give a reason as to why she needed to stab him like cheating. What, what was the T?

So they, they had only been dating for several weeks. And it's- That's some shit around here. I believe her last name's pronounced, Spetcher, had an adverse reaction to the marijuana and suffered what experts call a cannabis-induced psychotic disorder.

During that psychotic episode, she stabbed Mr. Omealia multiple times, killing him, and then they had to tase her. She was ultimately convicted by a jury of involuntary manslaughter. And as far as I know, there was no reasoning that she gave for why this occurred. I don't know who all is listening to this or honestly who all has access to this but never put me on a jury like Because once I hear about what's gone on Doesn't really matter the evidence. I have my mind made up. Well, what's scary about this case is that people

use case law to prove certain cases and to win or lose or win certain cases and to win or lose or win certain cases. When you have a case like this where someone gets away with manslaughter and no jail time, first having someone 108 times, the fact that that can be used to try other cases that are similar in nature is actually terrifying. Very terrifying. And I didn't even know that that was a thing that you could go into some type of state of psychosis from smoking weed. Like I did not know. I had to

have been laced with something which is like also scary. That's just my. Okay, well back to what we were talking about sleeping. I saw this last night before I went to bed. Somebody had posted it on my Facebook. It was like a friend or something. And it was talking about revenge bedtime. Have you ever heard of this? No. Okay. So it's so interesting. And I screenshot it because I was like, I have to tell Kale about this. So it says, my therapist told me individuals with anxiety sometimes struggle with what's known as revenge bedtime procrastination. In essence, this refers to a tendency for people who feel that they have limited control over their daily life to resist going to bed early.

Instead, they choose to stay up seeking a sense of freedom during those quiet nighttime hours. And what ever experiences. People with anxiety you said? Yeah, so it says that people who, well, it's basically people who feel that they have limited control over their daily life. They don't wanna go to bed early. So they choose to stay up late

because they feel like they are having freedom in those late night hours instead of going to bed. And I feel like probably a lot of moms experience this through like their children's early years. I can see that. I mainly, when I have anxiety, I lose sleep because I'm worrying, I'm sitting up wondering how I can, you know, what's going to happen, things

like that. I don't know that I've ever not gone to sleep because I felt like freedom, you know what I mean? Because I'm so exhausted by the end of the day and most of the time the anxiety that's keeping me awake is not a freeing type of keeping me awake. So I have, I experienced, I didn't know that that's what this was called, but I experienced this probably in the first couple of years of Jackson's life. I felt like I was go, go, go.

And I've told you before, I had him enrolled in like everything. So he was never in daycare. I was just stay at home mom, took him to all like the mom me and me classes and then did laundry and groceries and like all the things that needed to be done for my household during the day. So I always felt so strapped during those hours. And then when it got to bedtime and the house was fully quiet, it was like I was tired enough to go to sleep. But I didn't want to go to sleep because I felt like I was like losing something,

if that makes sense. Well, you needed time for yourself until like unwind, I feel. Yeah, but if I had to do it again, I would have just taken my ass to bed. I, yeah, I could see that. I mean, yes, last night, I mean, I stood up, I stood up. Last night, I stayed up until between like 10 and 11 to read,

but I don't know that that was like me fighting sleep. I think it was more so like, I need, one I needed a distraction from like my anxiety, my anxious thoughts, but then also I just needed like my time, but I wonder if that's the same and it's like subconscious. I don't know, but I would love to know anybody who's listening to this if you have had experience with this.

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Like I got wrapped into all of the clips on TikTok and could not stop watching. Have you seen the clips? The only part that I had seen was that Shana was basically saying that Travis treated her as if she wasn't a good mom and she was like the bad guy for some time. And I saw that too. And that was heartbreaking because I feel like, you know, she alleged parent alienation.

Is that what you saw? Yeah. Yeah. And that is heartbreaking. That's heartbreaking because, you know, I had a conversation with one of my, actually two of my kids' dads recently and I said, you know, I just, I don't want to fight. And I, I'm barely famous the other day. I had a girl from, she was one of the moms from unexpected on TLC.

Yeah. And he said, she was like, I want to tread lightly about what I'm saying, because even though he hurt me, I don't want that stuff in the public. And she's younger than us. And I was like, damn, like, I wish that I had that type of position and insight when I was, you know, doing all of this teen mom stuff. And because parental alienation is real. And it's sad. And I don't like that I've ever had any part in like bashing my

kids' dads publicly and you know, going through public stuff and hearing it from both Tyra on Barely Famous and now Shayna on Bunny's podcast, I feel like it's like I wish I, I wish I heard those things sooner, you know? Well, and she also was talking about how she had raised her children and that there were never really any issues until he started seeing Courtney. And then once they got like intertwined with that family, then that's when the parental alienation kind of started. And I just think that you have to be so careful when there is, you know, people say all the

time money doesn't matter. It does when it's used improperly. And I think that when there is a huge income discrepancy and you have, you know, influential minors that are easily swayed by things because kids are swayed by things. I think a lot of children are swayed by things. That maybe that's why some of that stuff took place and she point blank said, I don't, I don't have that money. Like I'm not in competition with that because I can't, I can't compete with that.

But like I love my kids and I raised my kids and I know what type of mother I am. That would just be so very hard. I remember when my parents were going through divorce, my dad's income was far superior than my mom's. And you know, there were a lot of issues that came along with that. So I very much related to her, not, not in her position as a mother, but just from lived experience of what I have experienced that like that does happen. There's a lot of moving parts for sure. I just, no mom should feel like they're alienated. No parent should feel like they're alienated for those reasons, you know, like, if you're

fucking up and you're not really doing what you're supposed to be doing, that's one thing. But I mean, the glitz and the glam has to be appealing to young kids, you know, especially in the in the society that we live in now with all the social media and the competing and this and then that and the name brand, which actually brings me to my next point, I wanted to ask you one, two things really, just going off of like the glitz and the glam and competing with the Kardashians and that when it comes to kids and I don't know how Jackson is about name brands, my kids usually don't really like they've never expressed to me really giving a fuck except for, you know, Lincoln

with his sneakers or whatever, but name brands versus knockoffs for kids and like where is the line between doing the name brands? They don't get made fun of but then also like conforming to society Where you have to have this name brand thing or you're not cool and you get made fun of And then I guess off of that like what is our job as as? Influencers and I don't really like to consider myself an influencer, but what is our role and responsibility there because we're promoting some of these products, but also at the same time, I feel like a lot of social media influencers are like looking

for the dupes now. They're looking for the knockoffs to save money, but the kids aren't getting that part of the message. You know what I mean? I mean, it's so weird that you bring this up because Jackson asked me literally on Wednesday or Thursday of last week, Mom, have you ever bought a knockoff of anything? And we're like, actually, yes, we look for them now. That is the truth. In fact, in fact, yes, anything that I can buy cheaper at this point in my life and get

anything that I can buy cheaper at this point in my life and get, here's my thing on it as an adult. If I'm going to get roughly the same amount of wear out of whatever it is that I'm buying that is like the knockoff version, I am absolutely going to do that because I just feel like that's reckless to spend money on a label. But there are kids getting made fun of for not having... Did this happen in one of your children? Not mine specifically, but friends of mine that have one of my girlfriends literally messaged me and said something about getting her daughter this name brand thing because she had a similar one, but that she was specifically being made fun of because she didn't have the name brand. And so I'm just, the glitz and the glam is so appealing to adults, right? So think of that to a child, to a teenager, to an adolescent,

just like Shayna Mokler is talking about the glitz and the glam and the fame of the Kardashians to her kids. Same kind of thing on a much smaller scale, on a much smaller scale, like where we're living today. You know, I don't want to, I don't want to say what brands, because I really don't like, that's not my point. I just, where's the line? Are we buying the points so that our kids don't get made fun of? Or are we buying them similar items so that they can sort of fit in but still might get made fun of? At what point?

I feel like is this more applicable to girls or boys because I don't know that Jackson's friend group, I mean, you should see how these kids dress up at the school. It's like they have thrown on probably whatever is in their bedroom floor. They don't match nothing. So I just don't think he's either at that age or his friend group specifically just does not care. I do think it's definitely more common

among girls and women. And so I do fear a little bit for my daughter to kind of face some of these things. And it's like, I don't want to conform to like what everyone said. Like you have to have this name, but like I experienced that as a child, right? Like I never had the Lisa Frank. We've talked about this. I never got the Adidas shell top as a kid when I wanted to.

And my mom took me to pay less and it was like five stripes and not even K Swiss. It was the five ones. So it wasn't K Swiss and it wasn't the felt top. So I was pissed off. I was upset. Like everyone ended up getting them. So it's just like, where's the fucking line? Because all of that stuff is so appealing.

I mean, I also think that there are specific things whenever we were growing up that I don't know. I mean, I'm sure there are things that kids do now and maybe I'm just like nodded that age with Jackson to be experiencing that. Now he will specifically come to me and be like, hey, I want like these Nikes or, you know, the most recent thing is, mom, you have Yeezy's,

so like, why can't I have them? And that's where the knockoff question came into play. And he was like, mom, I know how expensive those shoes are. I'm not asking you to buy those expensive shoes. Like I can just buy the fake ones. Like it's fine. So I don't know, I think we should be teaching our kids that it's not about the brand of whatever you have, like

being grateful for what you can have. And any person that's out there making fun of a fellow student up at the school because they're wearing, I don't know, Target Uggs instead of like name brand Uggs, find something better to do with your time. And I think that's important for us to teach our children that why is that person carrying what's on your feet? Like they should be consumed with what's on theirs. The thing is that I don't feel like it's intentional

for whoever is creating the trend, right? So we'll talk about Uggs, we'll talk about Stanley, we'll talk about the Yeezys. Lincoln made a comment to me about my fake Yeezy slides and was like, people are going to think that you don't have any money or something like that. And I'm like, I don't care. Like I don't care. I didn't say that to him. But things like that where I'm like, okay, I don't think that that is the intention, right?

When we create this, you know, a TikTok or a video or something that is talking about the trend, right? It's not intentional, but oh my God, I'm just like trying to think about what I'm trying. I'm trying to verbalize what's like what the whole thing is in my head because I just don't know how we teach our kids that the name brand doesn't actually matter. Right? Like I don't, because if I see an outfit that is like virtually identical, right? And we'll use girls, for example, because I think girls are more catty. So if you see virtually the same outfit and it's like the more affordable one versus like the name brand one, if the more affordable one still looks cute, like who cares? But how do we teach our kids that when we're making these videos about whatever it is, the similar item that's not the name brand is still just as good and just as cute? Like why does it have to be that we're making fun of or treating someone differently because they don't have the name?

Like I mean, maybe it's a financial conversation on it. But how do we, like, and does this, or maybe play the game with them, like buy a real one and then the affordable one, ones that aren't tagged, you know, like the super identifiable stuff, you know, like I'm not saying like buy a Nike sweatshirt and then put it up against something that's not Nike and it's got a big check on it.

No, like play to them and be like, which one is, which one is the real one and which one is the affordable one? You know, like, But is it our responsibility as creators and influencers to kind of do that? Like should, should there be mommy and me accounts, you know, started that it's like, okay, here's the, you know, name brand and then here's the, the not name brand and are we mixing and matching name brand with off brand? Because I do it all the time. I do too.

I don't care. So I just feel like one, social media is creating issues in that way, but also the influencers, it's not really our responsibility, but then also how do we teach our kids something like that? It's so frustrating. It's so weird that this even came up because years and years ago I was all about like specific brands and having those specific brands in my closet, whether it be for the look of it, maybe just the tag at that time or how that specific brand fit me, whatever. And I was not going outside of that.

You know, I'm like, okay, well, that might be more affordable, but I'm probably going to get more uses out of this. And what I came to realize as an adult is I'm not going to probably wear this more than a season anyway, because it's no longer going to be trending. So why do I even care about the longevity of this item? Um, but I would all the time get comments on Instagram, like you post stuff or you have bags that aren't affordable. So it's like, no, like I need to be more realistic and, you know, be sharing

stuff that other people out here can go on Amazon and get, you know, and it's like, it is our responsibility, I feel like, to do that and to not be wasteful for, to be wasteful for what? Like to say that we have a tag, like obviously we have a mental problem if that is in fact the only thing we care about, you know, and I think it's important to teach our kids that too. If I'm going to Dick's Sporting Goods, for example, I love their in-store brand. I think it's like DSG or something. I love it. It's so good. Their joggers fit better than any name brand in their store.

First of all, just really quick shout out to Dick's Sporting Goods. Dick's Sporting Goods is my target. Like what other people love about target going to target, always at target, target halls, target halls, target halls. I should have always been doing Dick's Sporting Good Halls because that's my target. I absolutely love going to Dick's. I can spend so much time. I honestly spend more time going to Dix than I spend going to Target. I don't know if it's like a boy mom thing or just the fact that

I like comfortable clothes. So that's a leisure and boy mom. I feel like go hand in hand. Not saying that girl moms can't wear a leisure, but I think because we have boys that are always on the moving, always going, we spend our time at like all my kids sports Right now at Dix so then naturally I'm buying at leisure from Dix. I'm getting 100% from Dix like there's too much at Dix 100% but I always buy Jackson the DSG brand stuff because number one I feel like it better. It holds up just as well as anything else. And why am I going in there and spending twice as much

for a check mark on it or like some type of logo? It's not that I don't buy that stuff because there are certain times that I'm like, oh, I really love that sweatshirt or like I really love that t-shirt perfectly fine. But I'm also mixing matching that with stuff that either found at Target off of Amazon, the store brand, like that doesn't bother me at all. And if my child came to me and said something about it, he would be sitting down having a reality check. my child came to me and said something about it, he would be sitting down having a reality check. Kale, I have received so many messages from photos that I posted over the weekend of people asking me if I started investing in lash extensions again. And I just need to send them this link because it is our secret that is no longer a secret and that is Thrive

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So that's, you know, that's one thing that's beneficial to me. But still, I mean, I, with all the way that my kids wear their stuff, it's, it doesn't make sense for me to always buy like the name brand because they go through it, like Luxe's compression leggings that he wears underneath his short basketball shorts. They won't make it to Creed no matter what brand they are. So I'm not going to spend $100 on a pair of leggings that I can get two for 50 or something like that. You know what I mean? But 100%. That also goes hand in hand with like girls in skincare, like these teeny boppers who are walking around into Sephora and spending

$500 on skincare. I just saw a TikTok yesterday where this woman is talking about this little girl has $900 worth of stuff in her basket at Sephora, including like skincare and perfumes and all of these things. And it's just like, where do we draw the line? I don't, I truly don't know. I saw some controversy about these skin care, skincare hauls with the younger generations and people being pissed off about it and saying like it's super wasteful and whatever. I think there is a fine line with it. I love the fact that there is enough education around skincare that is being promoted at this point to children that are that young. I think

that earlier that they can start and the more they become familiar with it, better their skin is going to be for the rest of their life. At the same time, I've seen some of these halls that there are things that are in these baskets that would not, I don't want to say inappropriate for the age, but would not be necessary for the age in my opinion. Okay. I thought, I thought you were going in a different direction with this. I thought you'd be like, yeah, let's keep the, the teeny boppers using like the drunk elephants and the hyaluronic acid. And I was like, no, and I don't know exactly what the age, like, I just can't

imagine my daughter buying some of these things that I feel like are more towards like older teenagers, young adults, starting your skin care then with the things like hyaluronic acid and peptides and things like that. I just don't know if like 10 and 11 years old is appropriate. I think that's a little young to start that stuff. I think you know with everything there should be boundaries with everything there should be limits with everything and if you have a child that is interested in skin care I think at that point you have to take an interest and Educating them and yourself on what's appropriate for that age and care routine. Yes. Yes in care products Maybe let's dial it down a little bit on those like we don't need to be putting retinol on our face when we're 10.

Moisturizer, a good face wash, a good lip balm or a lip mask, something like that. I think absolutely appropriate and I'm all for that. I in fact wish that I had more knowledge about skincare before I learned about it and wish that my parents would have put an emphasis on that. I actually went to a new med spa this week. And I don't know if you've ever done this, but it's like a 3D scanner you put your face in it.

And it takes photos like 3D so it can see three layers of your skin and they put it on this projector and it shows you all of your skin damage and like how old the skin damage would have been like in the spots wherever you have it and the stuff that I'm experiencing now is coming up from roughly when I was 14 and 15 years old, when my parents were just letting us run Rogue at the Beach, we lived in Florida all summer, and we were out, they told us to put sunscreen on, but do you think that we listened? No, we didn't. So now I'm having to do repair stuff from things that happened so many moons ago that I wish that they would have just been like a little bit more emphasis on the skincare and how

that's going to affect you later in life. So I do not hate the fact that there are these little teeny boppers that do like the idea of doing this stuff, would I allow, if I had a daughter, would I allow her to be using those types of serums and creams and stuff that she did not need? No, because I think that that creates an unhealthy habit from a very young age. I agree with that. I actually saw a doctor, a dermatologist, and I'm not repeating this information because I think that it's true.

I don't know if it's true, okay? I'm just letting you know and the listeners know. These, this doctor and this dermatologist get on camera and they're like, actually sunscreen is poisonous for you. I saw this. You did? Yeah, I saw this. I was so like my jaw,

if I could have picked it up off the floor because I was like, wait a minute, is it the type of sunscreens that we're using? I don't know. I'll post the video. I was shocked to say the least because I'm like, everybody else is talking about how we need to not be in the sun. And here come two doctors all of a sudden saying, no, we do need to. In fact, we don't need to be using sunscreen. we need to be using zinc, which I- I was gonna say, so like I just said, we spent all of our summers in Florida and my parents have always taken us to the dermatologist.

They've always been good about like, going to all the doctors that we need to go to. And several of us have kind of fear skin, so when I was like dermatologist every year, they have specific sunscreens in dermatology offices that they recommend. And most of those sunscreens are zinc based. And so we always used zinc sunscreen, obviously,

that was if I was using it. This is not new information to you? So it. Um, this is not new information to you. So that, that in fact is not new information. And in fact, I saw what you're talking about and there was multiple videos I saw. Probably like over, was this within like the last week? Yeah, I would say probably the last one or two weeks. Yeah. Yeah. So I've been seeing the videos like going around about the sunscreen and the dangers and whatever

When I had Jackson obviously he is a very very fair child Very fair very sensitive skin. So I always worried about the sunscreen Situation with him. So I started doing research on sunscreens Before he ever even got in the sun and I found like baby Gannocks, I think Sunbomb. You guys don't quote me on this, but more healthy alternatives to, I don't know, some of your other brands

that you can just get anywhere. I do know that zinc-based sunscreens are the most effective and healthiest way to protect yourself from the sun? Well, I don't know where the responsibility lies for that. Is it on the professionals to put out that information? Is it on both? But it's the same with anything.

Yeah. I mean, that's true. We need to do our research. Because I did see, I've seen seen there are whole accounts based, like their whole prerogative is to swap out items for better options and the sunscreen one is a big one. I'll have to find one of the ones that I followed. I sent some to Chris recently.

That was more for like eczema, like swapping products out for better options. But yeah, I mean, I guess it's on everybody. That was more for like eczema like swapping products out for better options, but yeah I mean it's I guess it's on everybody It's on the professionals to put out correct and accurate information and then it's on the parents to do their research, but It's a lot. There is a Website or an app or something that I found years ago when I got super obsessed with it I'll have to look up and let you guys know what it's called But you can like scan stuff to this app.

Do you know what I'm talking about? Someone told me about it. I actually screenshotted it because I was going to get it. I was going to send it to one of the dads. I will get it out of my screenshots in here and I'll also send it to post. So there is this app that you can scan stuff, like I guess like the bar code or whatever. And it will tell you, you know, like if it's good,

if it's bad, if it's like kind of in the middle alternatives that you can use. I actually started going through this after I went and had this skin scan because it just made me, my skin was not bad. It aged me at 31 and I'm 34. So fine, but still I wanted to be 28. So, you know, obviously it was not thrilled. But it made me start thinking about all of the things that we use on a daily basis that have we really done

any research on the products and things that we're using like you got to think first thing whenever you wake up you're washing your face with something likely you're brushing your teeth all the things that we drink and eat and we essentially do no research on any of this stuff. Then we go put our ass in the shower, wash our hair, wash our body. I mean, there are so many products and things that come in contact with us. It's truly alarming that we have never thought about,

oh, maybe I should like be a little bit more mindful and do research on this. Yeah, I mean, I think that also goes back to like de-influencing a little bit more mindful and do research on this. Yeah, I mean, I think that also goes back to like de-influencing a little bit, kind of putting out, but I mean. Watch us become like de-influencers. I mean, but the problem is that like, I am on the fence, like there are some things that I'm like.

Me too. I am like scrunchie, like there are certain things that I'm willing to swap out and there are certain things that I'm willing to swap out and there are certain things that I'm not. I feel like there's like a fine line between like, you know, being scrunchie and being all the way crunchy. I don't know. I don't know. There are certain products that I'm like, don't play with me because I will go and work an extra job to get that. And that is my elements products. Like, oh, I'm never giving up elements or Peter Thomas Roth like I really it's it those are just products that I'm like you know what I can't I can't quit it

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it. We know that I absolutely hate Nick file. I'm sorry. Tell us how you really feel. I hate him. Okay. Um, although I did see that he had his baby and I genuinely hope that by having a daughter that it softens him in some ways and that she's never treated the way that he's treated females in this industry ever, I genuinely hope that for them. Anyhow, he had Gypsy Rose blanchard on his podcast.

Which Gypsy Rose is getting her own show by the way. Okay, before I even get into this, I saw these other videos as well of people saying, like, we need to stop giving her this platform because we need to remember that she, you know, did do what she did. I don't know how I feel about it. Like, I'm typically like either on one side or the other,

but on this, I'm kind of like middle of the road, fence sitter. I think we all have a past. We all have things that we're not proud of that have happened. There has obviously been a lot of publicity around Gypsy Rose Blanchard, that case, and God rest her soul, her crazy mama deety.

When I see that picture of that woman it gives me waking nightmares. Okay. Yeah. I get, you know, the people that say she should not have a platform, she should not have this. I think that there are certain things I don't know that she has been fully honest about everything, which bothers me a little bit. Why do you say that? Do I feel like she's been honest about the life that she lived with her mother and the things that happened in her childhood? Do I believe that? Yes, I do. But do I also believe that there's things that she hasn't been a hundred percent forthcoming about and her part that she played in certain things. Yes, I also do.

In what way? Can you give me an example of something that you might think that she hasn't been... I genuinely don't know what you mean, so I'm not saying... I think that she very much downplayed the participation and what happened to her mom and the influence that she had on the boyfriend. I feel like she's owned that. I think that she said that she- I feel like she's owned it, but I also feel like there's more. And maybe it's just because I'm so invested in it that I want there to be more information.

Maybe it's not that there is more. Maybe it's just, I want to be there in that time when all of that was going on. And I want to know all the details and what she said and how he was so influenced to do what he did, right? Like from, from her, because no one, I, I love you like a sister. But if you called me and you said, hey, we're gonna hire a hit on this person, I would be like, you're out of your fucking mind. We got a lot of shit to lose. Thank you, I appreciate that actually because-

You know what I mean? No, I agree. But you know what, I do think that there was more factors. Like when you add other moving parts, I feel like that could also play into why maybe he was swayed the way that he was. I can't say that. That's true.

I just can't. I can't see, for example, do you remember us ever talking about the Skyler Nielsen case where the, so when they lower their third friend into the woods and stab her to death to me the odds of two psychopaths really coming together to do something like this doesn't happen very often. I think that Gypsy and her boyfriend were trauma bonded over her trauma. But I thought, and maybe I'm wrong, so correct me if I'm wrong.

I thought the trauma bonding was when you are bonding over the trauma of like the relationship. So like for example, I'm watching a show, okay? I'm watching a show right now. And it is the wife is being abused physically by the husband. And from that, they have makeup sex that is stems from the violence. So they're essentially bonding over this trauma that is happening in the relationship. They're not bonding over there. There's not trauma bond based on their childhood trauma. Does that make sense?

No, I think that they were trauma bonded based off of all of the obstacles that they jointly had to go through. Okay. From DD. Got it. That makes sense to me. Yeah, I think that there is some type, some type of trauma bond that was Okay, so anyhow, she goes on vile files and she does this whole interview and I have some articles that I can share on the official Facebook page and the Instagram, but she was responding to people who called her a stalker after she had been so outspoken about this desire to meet Taylor Swift. And this desire came before she was ever released from prison. In fact, she was talking about how this conversation took place six months before her release. And they were planning on something to do for New Year's Eve,

and they were looking for something to do in Kansas City. So they decided to go to a Chiefs-Bingles game, I think. And TMZ did this whole article about how, this convicted felon was trying to meet Taylor Swift at the Chiefs game and how she was- Was a part of this conversation? No, Taylor she was was a part of this conversation. No, Taylor Swift was not a part of this conversation. Okay. Okay. Just because she was there, obviously, for Travis Kelsey, who was her boyfriend, Gypsy is a huge fan of Taylor Swift. She said it was her favorite singer and she wanted to go to the Chiefs game. They were looking

for something to do in Kansas City specifically for New Year's Eve, so they settled on the chiefs game. She knew that Taylor Swift was going to be at the game, and she said that there was never any intention of like trying to make efforts to meet her, but it would be cool like if she saw her there. I think that that's probably a very normal thing if you were going to a chiefs game at this point you're a swiftie that you might have high hopes of the slight chance that there might be some type of run-in with Taylor Swift right so TMZ does this whole report on it and says that basically Taylor Swift is in danger because this felon Gypsy Rose was trying to meet her at the Chiefs game. And I say all of this to say how dangerous the media can be because I fully do

believe what Gypsy said that she's like a major Swifty. She was getting out of prison. They were looking for something fun and clean to do on New Year's Eve. They were going to go to a Chief Swifty, she was getting out of prison, they were looking for something fun and clean to do on New Year's Eve, they were gonna go to a Chiefs game, Taylor Swift was there, and then the media picked up this stuff and then freaking ran with it, and it makes her look like a lunatic, and she already has so many obstacles

to face with the media already, that it just made it that much worse that she's basically like a stalker of Taylor Swift and I kind of felt bad for her whenever I was watching this you know clip from Vile Files I was like wow like the pain that was in her eyes just made me feel so bad because I mean I can't even imagine what it would be like to live the childhood that she lived then to be incarcerated then to get out and you have all of these opportunities that are

coming your way but you also have all of these obstacles that you're trying to navigate through. You have convicted felon attached to your name and now you're being accused of being a stalker of Taylor Swift, like I would be traumatized. I think all of the media and stuff could have been traumatizing just in and of itself. I think that there are a lot of like reality TV people and other TV personalities who are truly recovering

from it on a much smaller scale. So I can't imagine all of the other factors in her story as well. To your point about all of this Gypsy Rose stuff is like, here is my final thought on that and kind of just as a whole when it comes to consumption of any public personality and any person, any podcaster, anybody, if you don't like it, just don't look at it. Like, don't, for the people who are like, don't give Gypsy a platform, then don't watch her shit.

And I don't want to hear that it's everywhere. I don't want to hear that because when I started looking at all of the teen mom shit and all of the troll pages and all of this and all of that, when I blocked them and I told people, don't send me this shit anymore I promise you I have lived under a rock as far as those things go if I didn't want to see Taylor Swift stuff for example you can remove Any type of stuff like that from your Instagram and your social media as if you go into your settings you can block those Comments you can block those words you can block those names like there are things that you can do to not consume that type of content.

So like let's... But the thing is, is that people want to hate on something and say, I don't want to see this or I don't want to see that. But you in fact do because you enjoy talking about how you don't want to see it and you're also engaging in the negativity under those posts. You are the ones that are on Reddit posting about it. If you don't want to see me or you don't want to hear anything about me, then simply just disengage.

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states that it is in fact true that he has characteristics of a psychopath. There wasn't really a ton of new information. Like a lot of the stuff was regurgitated and then Buster was just kind of like put in there for his portion of being interviewed. But he stated that he held a very unique perspective. And he said that he doesn't think that he could have been affiliated with endangering his mother and brother. And he said that he held a very unique perspective that no one else in the courtroom ever held. And I know that the love that I know the love that I have witnessed,

and that his father had a very loving relationship with the family. And he stated that he was there for six weeks studying it. And he thinks that it was a tilted table from the beginning. And unfortunately, a lot of the jurors felt that way prior to when they had ever went into deliberations and that it was predetermined in their minds prior to them hearing any of the evidence. And I feel that that could be very true

because as I said earlier in this, once I feel a certain way I'm going to feel that way. So it wouldn't really matter how much evidence was shown to me. Once my mind is kind of made up to that, it's going to be made up to that and any evidence that does come about, I'm going to reference my already predetermined mind to whatever that evidence is to make it make sense to me. Can we go back a second? So Buster feels as though his dad still doesn't think that his dad killed his mom and his brother, but that he witnessed love between his father and his family. Is that what you're saying?

Yeah. Okay, so. But I think both of those can be true. I think that I was gonna say, narcissists, I believe it's narcissists. I don't think it's not. I don't know if it's narcissists or sociopaths or psychopaths. I don't know. They can mimic what certain emotions are. I forget which one it is. To portray that that's what existed. You know what I mean? But also, I mean, I don't know that you could love someone and kill

them. Like I just unless it's like a crime of passion, and I don't feel that this was a crime of passion. I think it's very possible and could be true that he expressed love to his family. But I don't think that that prevents him from being a cold blooded murder. I think he think he is exactly that, a narcissist and possibly... Here's the thing, to the point of all of the things that they proved to in fact be true, it is likely based off of all of the personality traits and characteristics from other things that he did, it would be likely

that he would do this to his son and his wife. Right. I fully believe that. Buster also said that he had nothing to do with that kids. I forget what the kid's name was. Stephen. Stephen. That he had nothing to do with his mother, his murder and that he was never like physically

involved with him. I don't believe that. I don't believe that either. I can't say that he was involved in the murder part of it, but I don't think, let me rephrase that. I don't think that he was involved in the murder part of it, but I do think that he was physically or emotionally involved and that's what led to his demise, I guess, for a lack of better words. One thing that I very much believed while watching it was, remember you and I have in

private conversations about like, how does that much money go missing? Like there's no possible way that he was spending that amount of money on drugs. Like was he spending money on drugs? Yes, but Buster was saying like he can't fathom where the money actually went because there's just no possible way with what was missing that that would have been spent. A gambling problem or owing money for bets and gambling? Or any of these other heinous crimes that took place

was he paying people off? That's true. You know what, thinking about like how I was raised and narcissist and stuff, I think that Alec Murdoch probably loved his wife and family to the best of his ability. So I do think just going back to that whole conversation because I think that my mom also struggled with some level of like grandiosity and narcissism and things like that. But I do still think that my mom loved

me to the best of her capability, you know? So I don't think that the love was not there at all. I just think the priorities and the, the narcissism kind of took over. So I will say that, but also to, to the point about the whole, like the money and stuff. Yeah, I, I agree with you. I think that that was, there's a possibility that he was paying people off. I would be surprised. I am surprised that's more there's a possibility that he was paying people off. I would be surprised. I am surprised that more people haven't come forward about that because,

but then maybe they don't want to be implicated and they don't want to get in trouble for. I think there's just, you know, as Alec Murdoff said himself, the sticky web that we weave. He's weaved a very sticky web in anything that he has touched, in my opinion, for his entire life, or his entire adult life, I don't know about being a child. But I think there was so many things that happened and there was so much to cover up that he just got himself more and more in trouble. And the saying is very true.

People who get away with things, like small little things, those small little things become bigger things. And then they're always covering their tracks. And eventually you're going to get caught up on something. And then everything else is going to unravel. And I feel like that's exactly what happened in this situation. But I also think that he was such a psychopath and narcissist, whatever you want to call him and diagnose him.

I truly believe that he killed his wife and he killed his son. And he thought that he was smart enough that he was going to get away with it. And he had enough resources to cover up everything that would possibly even seem shady. I agree. I think people were going to take his word and look at it for face value and be like, oh, he's a Murdoch. Like it's going to be ruled an accident. It's going to be ruled an unknown homicide.

I think you're right. I think that he thought that he was going to get away with it. I have one follow up from last week that I have to cover so that it's still relevant and then we're going to do foul play. So as I was telling you about Jackson being told about my parents being imprisoned by other children at a park, there was an article that came out and I didn't even know any of the stuff was going on on the Reddit because I'm not on there, don't have the app downloaded, but that's where I saw all of these comments about how was it that Jackson was unaware that his grandparents were in prison

and why would it be acceptable for Chloe to know that my parents were there but Jackson not and then being the same age and that I was sheltering him and then you had the whole other side of it of people saying, that was completely out of pocket for somebody to even be talking to minor children about people that they don't even know.

And then that getting back to Jackson. It wasn't that Jackson does not know where my parents are. That is personal family business that we are allowed to address in the comfort of our own homes, how we choose to address it. And it's not up for other people that are on the internet or around us in our personal lives to be addressing that stuff. It's not their place.

It's my place as his mother and Will's place as his dad. For us to address that in what way we feel most appropriate, we have not subjected him to either of these prisons. Don't plan to because I just personally for me, I don't feel like it's a place that I want to take him right now, maybe in the future my mind might change, depending on what happens with the appeal status. At that point, my mind might change, because that might mean that

they're going to be there for a significant amount of more time. I haven't made that determination and I don't have to, and I don't owe it to anybody to tell them what I'm choosing to do with my child. That's my decision. It wasn't that Jackson did not know where his grandparents were. It's the fact that how did we keep Jackson in a bubble around so many safe people that it was never referenced to him in the outside world about his grandparents and where they were. But then he finds out about it through what I felt like was a safe situation that I put myself in from other people's children to have to hear about it.

From that, that was his first experience of dealing with that. And he was very upset and he didn't know how to respond. And you know, he slept with me that night whenever it all came out in that situation and was very confused. And, you know, we have just taken care of it within our home and that is our business to do that. It's not that we're sheltering him from anything, but we are protecting him from what he does not

need to be exposed to. I also think that it's misleading or, I don't know if misleading is the right word, but to say, oh, why does Chloe know this or Jackson know that? And, you know, Chloe lived with your parents. She lived with my parents. She lived every day of that experience that they went through. She is now with my sister. And what my sister chooses to do with Chloe is her choice. And I will support her from a distance and the choices

that she chooses because she is acting as her parent, doing what she feels is best for her as her parent. And that is not my place to talk about. Right. But so why are we comparing someone who lived with your parents and was being raised by your parents to Jackson who lives with his parents? And this is, you know, you're doing the best of your ability to protect him and parent him to, you know, the best way you can. I don't understand why, why is there a compare? Them being the same age has nothing to do with it.

This is a fact that y'all don't even live in the same state. So it's gonna be treated differently because the situation is different. 100% different. And it's just like an unnecessary comparison, I feel like. I also feel like all children are different. You have so many kids. And I'm sure that in the event that you are navigating this, the way you would navigate it with one child might look very different than

the way you would navigate it with another. And Jackson is a very sensitive child in a worrier. And so it would not be in his best interest to see my parents in that type of environment because he would think about it day and night and have so many questions and wonder. And then, you know, the fact that he could only communicate over email like that would be very problematic. So at this point, it's just not in my best interest as a mother to subject him to that until there is a further determination on that It's also not fair for people on the internet what I like to call keyboard Cowboys to be

Trying to place an opinion on something that they don't know shit about like you're not living it You don't know our kids. You don't know what their personalities are. You don't know what the conversations are going on in our home and it's not your fucking business. I mean, now that we know how you really feel, I, it's one of those things where they feel like they, their opinion is above all and they're better parents than we are. And so naturally they feel like they have to express that. Again, if you don't like what someone's doing, don't consume what they put out and don't look at it.

Block those hashtags, block those names, block those. I mean, circle back to what I said 20 minutes ago, like fuck off. Fuck all the way off. And you know, I'm going to start looking for a fuck to give because I can't find one. And on that note, found like. off and you know, I'm going to start looking for a flop to give because I can't find one. I don't know. I'm like, let's do foul play. Hello. I'm listening to the way old episodes because I'm all cut up. And this is what I listened to while I work. An episode I was listening to

brought up cat vomit and I immediately need it. You really needed to stop what I was doing. Here we go. My best friend along with her husband and daughter had been living with us for about a year while they built their house on their land. We both work from home so it was always a grand old time here and you never know what to expect. I live on 12 acres with 50 plus chickens, goats, cats and chaos. Aria, their daughter who is one year old hangs out most days with us while we work. She's like any other typical one year old who likes to put anything and everything in her mouth. Oh no, I don't like where this is going. I

don't. On this particular day, I was working in my bedroom and my best friend was working next to me. Aria was just chilling. She liked to play hide and seek in my closet. So my friend would see what she was doing and I hear her, oh, what is in your mouth? Get that out. I thought nothing of it until I heard my best friend gasp and start gagging. Aria had picked up a wide lump of cat vomit from behind my closet door and put it in her mouth.

Oh my God, I'm gonna throw up. When my friend went to see what it was, Aria had already spit it out and was scraping her tongue and her hand and saying, blah. My friend picked her up and cat vomit drool from Arya's mouth swiped up all over her shirt, got in her hair. She goes running to the kitchen to wash Arya up gagging the whole way. I'm deathly afraid of puking or being around anyone that pukes and my friend is a puker. So she was trying hard not to throw up for my sake. Love you girl. I'm laughing my ass off and Aria is still wondering what the fuck she just ate just a day in the life. Okay. I've heard like weird stuff about cat vomit. First of all, we all know like

I'm not a cat girl. I will never be a cat girl. I am terrified of cats. Cat vomit, foul. I mean, birdies vomit's also foul. Just like any type of vomit is foul. But like, I don't have cats, so I don't know. But does cat vomit just dry like a biscuit? I don't know because I'm not saying my cats have never thrown up, but I don't ever see their throw up. I've seen hair balls, but that's about it. Like why do they get that and like nothing else gets that?

Because they lick themselves. Like dogs typically don't clean themselves, but cats do. So that's why they get it's like kind of like a... Oh, I see. Yeah. So like, when you brush your hair and it comes out on the brush, I think for the cat, it's the same. I'm fucking disgusted. I will say, I'm fucking disgusted. I will say, I will change anybody's shitty diapers over dealing with puke. Like if someone is gagging around me, it's kind of like if someone yongs, you yong. If someone starts gagging around me,

I also start gagging and I'm definitely throwing up. I can't say that like dog or cat throw up is bad for me. I just well it's gross but like I would rather deal with animal vomit than human vomit. The smell of human vomit is something so foul to me and I just don't think that animal vomit is the same. I just I hate vomit in general. It kind of made me just like replay in my mind that video I have of you on my phone, like in downtown Nashville vomiting on the side of the road when you were pregnant with the twins.

And I was like gagging in the car while I am so sickly videoing what's going on outside. We'll over right now. I was like, oh my fucking God, like this bitch is puking in a planner. You are like on the side of the road in downtown Nashville. But that lady was so nice. She like was pulling out of the parking garage and like she probably thought I was drunk, but I was not drunk.

I was just very pregnant. You said that when you got back in the car, you were like that lady probably thinks that I've just been on like a bender or something, but like I'm really very pregnant. You said that when you got back in the car, you were like, that lady probably thinks that I've just been on like a bender or something, but like, I'm really just pregnant. I'm like, you're always fucking pregnant. Oh, okay. Next foul play. Ladies, I have got a foul play for you. This happened about five years ago when I lived at home with my mom and twin brother. The neighborhood we lived in was fenced off. And on

the other side of the fences was a very busy street. This will be important later in the story. One morning I had gone to work and my mom and brother were at home since they both worked later shifts. My mom was still asleep and my brother was chilling playing video games when he heard a strange noise coming from downstairs. Since he knew I had left to work, he thought it was weird so he decided to check it out. My brother is a big fan of Japanese culture, martial arts and everything. How do you say that? Samurai, samurai? I think it's samurai. Samurai. He had a replica samurai sword on display in his bedroom while and grabbed it with him as he went to go investigate the noise. He followed it until he got to the

sliding patio door in our kitchen and slowly reached up to the window blinds to lift the cord. He whipped them open to reveal a man in a black hoodie attempting to open our patio door with a screwdriver. The man looked up and yelled, Oh, shit, stood up and started running away engaged. My brother threw open the sliding door yelled at him, I'm gonna kill you son of bitch. And started chasing after him sword in hand. The man ran through the gate in our neighborhood and along the busy street with my brother, hot on his heels screaming at him. My brother had forgotten to tighten

his robe and he was chasing this man down the busy street. It flew open, exposing his neckedness to everyone. He was so focused on catching the potential thief that he didn't realize until after the man jumped over another fence and lost him needless to say this man never came back. I still crack up thinking about this story years later and I can't imagine what it must have looked like for the drivers on that road to have witnessed my brother chasing after this man wielding a summer high sword with his dingling flapping in the wind. But the kicker to this whole story we found out later that night when I got home that our other patio door beside the one the man was trying to break into had been left unlocked. Love you ladies. Hope this made you laugh and keep up the great work. First of all, the way that I watch and read too much thriller and true crime when she said that this was a busy street at the beginning and that's important in the story later. I thought that he was gonna like, you know, in mean girls when Rachel McAdams, Regina George, by the school bus, that's what I thought. That's what I thought this was 100%. Okay, so I'm not alone. Yeah,

100%. No, but like ropes, I will tell you they are like a dangerous game. Okay. I can't like imagine right now someone flying down my driveway with a robe open and just like flopping in the wind like I just don't know. But I first of all, I just can't imagine a dick flopping in the wind in the first place like so ugly. They're so ugly. Dicks are so ugly. Yes. And they just like just to flop and you're running and have the rope. But like which way do you think it's going? Do you think like when they're when they're running, do you think it's going like this? Look at me.

Do you think it's like or do you think it's like which one do you think it is? I don't know. I think it's like this. That's a helicopter. A man in a naked man with a robe. Also just like I know it's like normal like a normal thing for people to wear but like I don't know why just picturing a man just wearing a robe naked. And like also like why was he naked? Was he just like chilling, playing video games?

And he was just like in this robe where he woke up? Because that makes sense to me. Or was he like jacking off? And then he just like had to put that on. That's a thing. Like why are you naked? Like why, why? I just need more information. Your probation board in your room by yourself. Wow. I wish I saw this honestly but like which way did you think the wiener went? Do you think you got caught on anyone's ring camera? Like do you think there is

a huge of this happening is I don't know. Which of this happening? I feel like there would have to be something, honestly, that there's too much technology at this point that it had to have been caught somewhere. Show me the way the dick went. It was just like, you know what I mean? You know, they mean. Oh, man. Well, on that note, I'm going to try to go and get some shit done today. Perfect. If you guys have any foul plays that you want to share with us, please send them along because we love talking about this shit. And I just want to say a thank you to all of you

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