Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Moral of the Story

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

CC411: Kail and Lindsie continue their Q&A from last episode. Someone asks what the wildest thing their kid has said, another question has us reminiscing about our favorite childhood cartoons like Hey Arnold!, Rocket Power, and Rugrats. Then, it's real talk about parenting: their hopes for their kids' future careers (Chick-fil-A cashier, anyone?). Lindsie also opens up about navigating the post-divorce dating scene and the unexpected challenges that have come with it. A Listener asks for advice regarding dealing with their, and lastly, a Foul Play involving crapping yourself? A CLASSIC!Thank you to our sponsors!Go Pure: Get 25% Off with code COFFEE at GoPureBeauty.com/Coffee #goPurepodHappy Mammoth: Get 15% off on your entire first order at HappyMammoth.com just use the code COFFEECONVOS at checkoutQuince: Go to Quince.com/coffee to get free shipping and 365-day returns on your next orderRoBody: Find out if you’re covered for free at Ro.Co/COFFEECONVOS. Rx only.Shady Rays: Go to ShadyRays.com and use code COFFEE for 35% off polarized sunglasses.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you. This is coffee convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you.

A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kaila and Lindsay. Good morning and welcome back to another episode of Coffee Convo's podcast where we talk shit. All we do is talk shit. Yeah. So our bonus episode from this past week, we were running through Q&A and we still have some left to do and I was having a great deal of fun. So we're going to jump right in. I would love to know if you could have any fictional character as a friend, who would it be and why?

Any fictional character from like a movie or a show or a book? Like anything. Yeah. I would be friends with, wow, I don't know. There's just too many books that I've read that I'm like, wow, I really love that person. Also from a show, I would be friends with Meghan Markle, who is in suits. I would be friends with Olivia Benson and I would also be friends with any of the Abby Jimenez characters in any of her books. See, I'm thinking like things from my childhood where I was probably like the happiest in

my life, like Junie B. Jones and Clifford. Oh, okay. So we're going real, real fictional. Got it. I love that. Clifford the big red dog. Okay. Clifford. Did you see like the, what is it called? Like the life, the more like life like, yeah, I took my kids to see that when it came out. Characters from like shows that I've watched. Oh my gosh. Anybody from Rocket Power or Hey Arnold? You know what? Someone, wait, listen. Hey Arnold and Rocket Power used to be the flocking

jam. Oh my God. Rocket Power, Hey Arnold, my two favorite. I would say Hey Arnold first. Also, the Rugrats were big for me. And then I also would have been friends with Mary Kate and Ashley from two of a kind during that era of Mary Kate and Ashley. Also, look what Heather Lohmeyer sent me. What is that? Oh, we'll solve any crime by dinnertime. Yes, in fact, we will. Were we Helga Pataki? I was not Helga Pataki, but I do. Well, Helga Pataki, if I could read her character now as an adult, I would say that she's very

cold and guarded and probably sort of like a bully because of her internal things that she's struggling with, her home life. But she truly was at the core of her being a lover girl. And I feel like I can identify with that. I can definitely identify with that. I could definitely identify with that. I felt like she was like a little bit shy in her like real personality, but it came across as like mean and a bully because she didn't know how to outwardly express her feelings. Yes. So I very much relate to Helga Pataki. I loved Hey Arnold. Hey, move it football head. Hey Arnold. I wish they

would reboot. They're spending so much time and efforts and money rebooting shows that we didn't ask for and I wish they would reboot cartoons that we grew up on because we need to bring cartoons back for the kids. 1000%. Okay, do you think that the saying is true? If you didn't watch the same cartoons, then you shouldn't be together. I never watched anime and a lot of the men that I've dated were big with anime.

Isn't that a fetish? It can be. What even is anime? It's like Yu-Gi-Oh. You're like a lot of different people? No. I think it's more like, I think of anime and I think of like Yu-Gi-Oh or like Pokemon. Okay. Okay.

I mean, oh wait, you know a show that I was really, really invested in? Inspector Gadget. I don't know if I ever saw that. Oh my gosh. They were solving all these crimes and stuff. I've been a crime junkie since before it was cool to be a crime junkie. 100%. I used to get high at my 13-year-old self would be smoking weed and going to watch

CSI in my bed. Wait, 13-year-old Kale was smoking weed? Yeah. Ma'am. Getting higher than a kite, eating pizza rolls and ice cream. Okay. Great topic to discuss. Are we pizza rolls or are we bagel bites? Both, but more so Tostitos pizza rolls, but I will fuck up some bagel bites. My kids love both too.

It just depends on the mood, right? Do I want something that is inside or do I want something that's outside? Outside. I tend to burn my mouth on both, so it could go either way. Okay. Next question. What's the most wild things that your kids have said to you? I can think of one that your kids said to you which one the one that said What's that hairy thing moving? What's that hairy thing jiggle when you laugh? Um, okay, I will tell you Jackson doesn't like really say that many out-of-pocket

things to me other than last week he was like, mom, you look crazy when you take me to school. We have to somehow figure out what is the balance between like, I think that so many moms and sometimes we don't get ready, right? But like, when we're dropping them off in the morning is a completely different person than who we are when we pick them up. 1020% like I look like I am the most well put together at pickup time. I look like an absolute train racket drop off.

Where do you bridge the gap? Sometimes I'll throw a hat on these days. It's crazy that you brought this up because I noticed that, I don't know if I said this within the last week or so, but a lot of teen mom clips will resurface on my TikTok. And I look back at some eras of my life and I'm talking like years of like two years or three years where I looked crazy all the time. I put no efforts into how I looked, my hair, my makeup at all. Like it was in a bun all the time.

And I maybe wore makeup or maybe didn't. And I think back to that and I'm like, I never want to go back to that place. And I think that there was some level of depression all along during those years, but I never want to go back there. And so I do my best, even if I don't have my hair and makeup done, at least have it semi put together, like slick down or put a hat on or something where I'm not looking completely diabolical. But I try to at least look a little bit put together.

See, I kind of miss those days of life. I can remember back when I was a stay at home mom and I felt like I really thrived in the high bun situation. I always did my skincare, always brushed my teeth, always had on clean clothes, was always showered. But I think that that was just such a comfortable part of my life and I think I was so comfortable in my relationship that it didn't matter. But then that brings me to another topic. When you get to a point of comfortability in your relationship and you stop putting yourself together, do you think that that is the start of the death sentence? Yes. That's the start of the death sentence? Yes, that's the start of the death sentence.

I think that there's times where you can just be having a relaxing Saturday and you're not putting yourself together and you might be doing house chores or whatever. I think that is perfectly fine. But at the point that you stop putting yourself together to be presentable for yourself and someone else, that is the sign that you are phasing out of that. Yeah. I just am trying to be more intentional. Next question.

If you could have sex anywhere and get away with it, where would it be? If we could have sex anywhere? Yeah. And you can get away with it, where would it be? If we could have sex anywhere? Yeah. And you can get away with it. Where would you do it? I know this is kind of cliche and boring, but I would like to have sex on a beach. I was just about to say that. Sex on a beach. I'm not a romantic type, but I feel like with the right circumstances and it being like hot and heavy passion, I would like to have sex like in, or like if there's, I don't know if you guys have ever been to Puerto

Rico, but there is one of the Ritz Carlton's in Puerto Rico has like, and even when I was in Turks, the room like went out onto like an area close to the beach. Like even if it was like on the patio facing the beach, like I think I would like that too. I'm thinking like cabana sex. Ooh, that would be fun. That would be so much fun. Like just like hot and heavy. Just yeah, I love that. I feel like that would be such a thrill and something that I think you would carry with you for the rest of your life. Like remember that time we had cabana sex.

100% of that. You'll never forget it. Okay. But are we the type of people that prefer on a regular basis to have sex in your bedroom, like in your super cozy, comfortable space? Are we like a spice up, fuck on the kitchen counter. I think the kitchen counter is okay, like here and there, like maybe like in the beginning of a relationship or like literally on a whim. But I do think that like as time goes on, it's just not as pleasurable. Like I can't focus to get off on a kitchen counter. I think that that goes to the ADHD, honestly. Yes.

Because if I'm in my bed, there's way more chances that that's going to happen than doing it in a laundry room or on the kitchen counter or on the couch. I still can't get over, remember when you said that you liked couch sex? Yeah, I do like couch sex. Couch and bed, but a counter, probably not. And I asked you, is there like anything like on the couch when you get up from having couch sex? No, no, never.

A lot of people responded to that and was like, yeah, I'm with Lindsay, I would have to put down like a towel or something. Like you don't get so wet that it's just like a flood. But if I'm on top, it would just flood on top of him. Like I'm not like laying on my back on the couch. Like I'm the one that's on top. You're a rider. Yeah, rider, ride or die. Right on the couch.

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If I could choose, okay, and I'm not big on something like this, because I just want my kids to be happy. Whatever they do, I want them to be happy. But if I could choose for them, I know that Isaac wants to be interpreter. I think that a government or some sort of law position with interpreting would be big because there's job security in that. Some sort of like maybe embassy or government position as an interpreter. Lincoln, I think he could own a really fucking cool barber shop and be a really cool barber. I also could see him doing some sort of sports management with like an NFL team or like a trainer, like in sports management. Lux, I could see also probably sort of following in the same footsteps there. Creed, I'm not sure yet. I don't have anything in mind for him yet because I think he's still trying to figure out what his strengths are. He's so smart that I'll be curious to see

what he does do. Same for Rio and the younger ones. I'm just not, Creed's only four. So I feel like I'm not sure. But for the older three, that's what I would say. I would say some type of sports broadcaster for Jackson. Yeah, I could see that. He can talk about sports for hours on end and never get tired of the conversation. Like ESPN type of journalist or like host anchor or something like that. I could totally see that. And he is such a professional talker at his age that I think he would just slide right into that so easily. Currently he either wants to work at Chick-fil-A or McDonald's.

Oh, I love that. Okay. Love that. Well, if he picks Chick-fil-A, they are guaranteed off on Sundays. And he hates that Chick-fil-A is closed on Sundays. My kids also hate that that's closed. I love it. I'm not a big Chick-fil-A person, so that's fine with me. Okay. Next question. If you both had a Freaky Friday moment, what would each of you do? Freaky Friday moment where you switched places basically in somebody else's life. Isn't that what the movie's about? Yeah. She switches places with her mom. Oh, okay. So she's living her mom's life and then her mom is living her life. I don't want to ever be in

a teenage boy's or a boy child's life, so that would never be me. I think I would switch probably with like, I would switch with someone really powerful because then when we switch back, they're going to collab with me because I put the bug in their ear. So I'm thinking about what is going to be best for when we switch back. See I would probably switch with one of these two people, my nanny or Will. Why will? Because I feel like I would just know so much to be able to navigate so much when I came back. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I could see that.

And so I just think that it would help certain situations. Well, I think we both have the same mentality about who we're switching with then. If you had to swap, the reality shows you both started on, who would survive the longest? What does that even mean? Who would not survive as a Chrisley? I would never survive as a Chrisley.

Todd would have taken me out of the will and cut me off before I even turned 13. 1000%. I don't know that I would be built for a show like you were on. I mean, look at Bristol Palin. I think non-politically speaking. Okay. So I'm not speaking from a political standpoint when I say this. I'm speaking from a place of your families and the standards that y'all's families have and the way that you guys were built and not slandering the name and not, you know, Bristol Palin had one season and was like, I'm not doing this. This is not how I want to be showed. This is not how I want to be portrayed. And I feel like you

would have the same sort of experience. I agree with that. And I think that when you are on a docu series, is that what y'all were considering? Yeah. you are on a docu-series, is that what y'all were considering, docu-series? The filming is just so different, and there's not a lot of opportunities to hide things, because I feel like y'all's production did do a really great job of getting all of the true parts of the story out, even if they were ugly.

And I would argue that Chrisley Knows Best was more of a scripted docu-series. And so there's a lot more room there for not everything to be out there. I just think too, like shows like what I was on, you have to be, and I don't mean this in a negative way, but I had nothing to lose and I was so desperate that I needed to do whatever it was going to take to make it and to be able to provide for myself and my son and then sons. So for me, me going on as long as I did and putting all the things out there for as long as I did and as often as I did and how in depth it went, a lot of it was started. Not always, not towards the end, but started out of pure desperation. I think you guys had an opportunity that was presented to you or that your dad

went and sought out, whatever that looks like. We started on very different feet. Also, I wasn't a teen parent. I don't know what that feels like. I was allowed to be a child for as long as I was a child and then I became a parent. So I don't know what those struggles would look like because I never experienced it. Okay, next question. Pull out your phones and read your last text message. Oh. Uh-oh.

I said, do you want to come with us? That's what I said, do you want to come with us? That's what you said? Do you want to come with us? Mm hmm. Okay. My last text message, it was a conversation with Will and he said, what's Jackson's croc size? And I said, he's been wearing a four.

Oh, so neither one of ours is fun. It's not spicy. No, the text before that. The text before that was an uncircumcised dick pic. Mine was, are you against the Ritz-Carlton to which the response was, what the fuck is Ritz-Carlton? Who doesn't know what the Ritz is? Everybody knows.

For our summer trip to- Are we going on a summer trip? Yes. Which by the way, I'm so excited to see you in New York. I'm so excited. It's a bit short- the way, I'm so excited to see you in New York. I'm so excited. Short lived, but I'm still excited. I'm still excited. So we're going to make it. We're going to make the best of it. Remember the last time we were in New York City together and we got tattoos? Oh yeah. Isn't that crazy? I love that. Yeah. You know what? We're going

to do something different every time we go to New York. I think we don't have to get tattoos every time, but I think that we should do something. Well, Will told me at the rate that I'm getting tattoos that I'm going to have a full sleeve next year. You're going to look just like me and everyone's going to be pissed. Yes. They'll be very upset. Okay. So I talked to Kristin at length this morning about some stuff that I have been navigating through and I said, I just need to talk to Kale and I also feel like I need to be honest because a lot of things that I have gone through post divorce is so relatable to the people

that would be listening to this. My nanny told me before I ever even filed for divorce, Lindsay heed my warning. The grass is not always greener on the other side. Chances are at your age, whoever you end up with is going to be somebody that has children. And along with that, they're likely going to have an ex-wife or an ex-girlfriend that is a part of that child's life and these are gonna be things that you have to navigate, right? All truth. So as I'm laying in my bed last night, could not sleep, I started writing myself a letter. And in that letter, I went through each situation that I have been in post-divorce

to try to find like the common trends of those situations and why they have not been able to work. Okay. The first one, which was suburban dad, I wrote, I dated someone who cheated on his ex-wife, ultimately ended up cheating on me, but they had a pretty normal co-parenting relationship. Like she was a good mom, he was there for his kids, the kid situation wasn't an issue.

Okay, okay. I could coexist with his ex-wife, actually his ex-wife and one of her family members were who alerted me of the cheating. So at that point- And they say you lose them how you get them, whether you knew about it or not. So I was like, okay, well, the kids weren't the issue in that situation. The ex-wife wasn't the issue in that situation. The cheating and the lying and the deceiving was ultimately what ended that relationship.

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Okay. So regardless of the wrenches that she threw into our situation, she didn't expect anything financial from him. Okay. And people can say, oh, well, it's because she came from generational wealth. Well, that could be true, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she had full access to that generational wealth, right? Right. right. I couldn't stay in that situation knowing that, and I know this is not everybody's situation,

but me divorcing Will, regardless of our small little spats that we've had along the way, they're so short-lived. I don't even count them because they are so short-lived. And we always make the decision not based off of his opinion or my opinion, but what is the common ground? The common ground that we have is Jackson at this point. I mean, that's what you and I were just discussing about me and Javi is that regardless of the little spats, and I will say, agree with you in that grand scheme of things, every single time you and Will have argued about whatever it may be, in the grand scheme of things, they're little.

I would say the same about me and Javi. When you look back on them, they felt maybe big at the time that you were going through it, but when you look at this situation as a whole whole the arguments didn't mean a hill of beans Where they move a needle either way, right? so when I look at my situation, I feel like I have an obligation to myself to Jackson and to will for me not to sign up for something that's going to cause any type of further chaos in our collective lives.

So ultimately that relationship ended. I'm currently seeing somebody that wants his child 50-50. I have watched the obstacles be thrown up. Over the last couple of weeks, there have been situations that I have been privy to that deals with another co-parenting relationship that I have never, and hopefully can say, will never navigate some of those same waters. So as a 35-year-old with a 12- 12 year old, I'm having a very difficult time

allowing that situation in to my life because I feel like I have worked very hard to be in a home which is my place of peace. I have worked very hard with will to establish a friendship outside of a marriage. I have worked very hard collectively with will to give Jackson the best, most productive life. So to allow someone else's co-parenting situation to seep into your relationship for whatever limited time you're able to spend with that person would be problematic, I could imagine. It's very problematic and it's very hard to know that, okay, I have love for this person. I have love for this person's child, but I also have to look at my situation and say this is my life too.

And if I'm not bringing those things to the table, I don't want to accept someone else who is bringing those things to the table. Because likely patterns of behavior over extended periods of time, if that is a consistent pattern, chances are that's going to stay a consistent pattern. It's not going to change. Yeah. I completely hear what you're saying and I would agree. That's part of the reason why I have never really been open to dating men with children because I know how tumultuous it can be. And I've been in tumultuous co-parenting situations, or I've been in situations where we're, you know, maybe even sleeping together.

So why would I want someone else to bring that into it? And I think that's where it gets so sticky because you can have love for someone or be in love with someone and not want something for your life. Mm-hmm Both can be true. I agree. I literally sent that in a text message. I said both things can be true So I wrote myself moral the story is only sign up for things that you're willing to sign up for Know your breaking point and walk away at the point that you make yourself aware that things will not change. I walk away at the point that you make yourself aware that things will not change. I have an easy co-parenting relationship despite our stupid small disagreements, but we always come together when making cohesive decisions for our minor child.

Never do we ever when it comes to him, let pride or ego trump the betterment of him. That's something, if nothing, that I can hang my hat on. Yeah, yeah. And so I just look at myself and I'm like, okay, if I never have another child at 35 years old, my child's 12 and six years, he will be out of school. He will be considered a grown adult. Do I believe 18 years old is a grown adult? No. That's another conversation.

But I'm 35 now. In my 40s, I will have a grown child. I can't imagine taking on someone else's stuff and navigating those waters for the rest of my child's childhood. I fully understand that. I wholeheartedly understand and tend to agree with you. People can say what they want about it. Some people will probably argue that, well, you have to decide what life that you would live with them. Do you want your life without them? Is it worth going through all of that to have your life with them? For me, the answer will always be no. So, that's where I was going with the next part of what I wanted to talk to you about

that you said you would never date a man with kids. And I think that that is one thing, if nothing that you've stuck by, that you have done. I have stuck by that. I change a lot of decisions. I change my underwear, which is sometimes multiple times a day, but that one thing has always remained true. I have only dated people post divorce that have children, but the common factor in the situations is that I have now been able to look at what I want my life to look like and what my life does currently look like. And that doesn't involve problems for people that I didn't sign up for.

And it has nothing to do with the kids, right? I think a lot of times people just twist up my words or what I'm trying to say because I don't always articulate what I'm trying to say. It's never about the kids. Not because I don't want to be involved in someone else's kids' lives. I agree. It's about the parents. That's why it doesn't offend me in any way, shape, or form.

If someone's like, I would never bother with Kail. She's got too many kids, too many baby daddies. Okay. That doesn't offend me in any way, shape or form because I understand. I can agree with that. And so now I'm kind of at the same place as you are. If this situation doesn't work out, then I am drawing a line in the sand now to say, I can actually only see you, person I'm dating, around my co-parenting schedule. We're going to run a 225. We're going to run a 225. I'll see you when I don't have my kids.

I'll see you, you know. Yeah, no. And I fully get that. And I hate that it has to be that way. And you know, it's just one of those things because I've asked people in my life, you know, when you have a parent that, you know, gets divorced and then they, you know, maybe remarry or get into a relationship later on in life, that's not their stepdad or their stepmom. That's mom's husband or dad's wife. Those are not my step siblings.

Those are, that's my mom's husband's kids. You know what I mean? It changes the dynamic a lot, but for preservation of my, you know, my kids' childhood and also being traumatized, I think I've done enough of that. So I think moving forward, like aligned with you there. I also find it to be very interesting as I'm literally dumping stuff on my phone from my brain that's not stopping all night. Will has only dated women who have not had children and that has not been successful either.

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Just use the code coffeecombos at checkout. Wait, that is so interesting. So the women that he has dated that don't have children, I would imagine they probably want children and they have not worked out because Will doesn't want any more children. Correct. It's interesting because if we're all relatively the same age within five years of each other,

the women that don't have kids, but the men that do. I mean, I feel like the people that he has dated specifically have been very career-focused people. And I respect that, you know? I'm not settling down and doing this until I am ready to do it. And I co-sign that all day long. Have great deal of respect for them. The men that I have been with have all been in past marriage situations that were long-term, what I would consider long-term marriages,

close to decades. Interesting. Interesting. I've never been with someone that was like not previously married or never even thought about. Like when I tell you never even been a thought to date somebody without a child ever. Like person would not even be on my radar. But now, you know, I think if the situation doesn't work, I'm going to take the summer and travel with Jackson. I love that. I love that so much. And think, and I've had to have conversations in therapy, I think relationship jumping

can become a part of our personality, right? Because you feel the need or want to be with somebody because you want your person, you want your partner, you want your friend. And I think that can become a toxic pattern. I don't want to participate in that. Yeah. Like, let me sit on this become a toxic pattern. I don't want to participate in that. Yeah. Like, let me sit on this for a little bit. These situations didn't work.

I need to self-identify further on maybe what I brought to the table that made it not work. And truly, is it a part of my personality where I'm just like, I don't want to deal with anybody's shit? That's kind of where I am. I do think that some people, it's hard to face the music and recognize what we bring to the issues at the table, what we contribute. If you sit on it for a while, you can really reflect in a real way. That makes sense to me.

I just think it's going to be a therapeutic summer. That's going to be great. But it's so hard to love someone and make that choice. One of the hardest things that you will ever do in your lifetime is leave someone that you're still in love with. Or Becky told me today, she said one of the hardest things you can do is stay in a relationship where there have been things that you should have walked away from, but you chose to work it out. That's also one of the harder things

that you'll do. So deciding which one you can live with yourself choosing. Well, and I think that as much as I, I mean, I'm now publicly admitting it, as much as I don't want it to be the case, I think I'm very solid in my decision to say, okay, I didn't sign up for anybody's ex spouse. My ex spouse doesn't bring that to the table. Right. Like you don't understand, you don't have to deal with that. And that's not something that I personally signed up for. I personally signed up for Will and whatever shit he brings, but he's not bringing any shit. Not to your relationship. Anything that you deal with is, you know, you keep it between

you two and sometimes the podcast, but that doesn't, that shouldn't affect your relationship because you're not bringing it into that. you're not allowing it to seep into the relationship where those lines can get easily blurred. You're not bringing that to the table. I agree. We have two listener topics that I want to be able to get to. It says, talk about in-laws. How do you guys handle in-laws that don't necessarily hate you, but don't really like you? Literally from no fault of my own and it has been confirmed that basically because I took her little boy and won't say yes to everything she wants when it comes to me and my fiance, her son

and our kids. Okay. Food for thought because it's happened to me. Is husband, spouse, boyfriend, whatever, having side conversations with his mother complaining about the spouse because that can play a role? Maybe it's just venting or maybe it's just one thing here and there that he's expressing to her. That will change the entire way your mother-in-law looks at you. I agree and I think, and you and I can speak to this, not because we've dealt with being in-laws, but I think as moms of boys, that another woman coming into their life, despite

whatever age they are, is somewhat of a shock on the heart. You know it's gonna happen. You can predict it happening. Yeah. But it doesn't change the feeling of knowing like, hey, I once for a very long time was the apple of his eye. I was the first girl that any Will or his brothers had ever brought home. So I dealt with a brunt of all the firsts and what I love about

the situation is I don't love that I was the girl who dealt with the brunt of it, but his mother grew so much in the future relationships that she wasn't presenting what I dealt with early on. Right. So they didn't have to experience it. Yeah. Which is a blessing and a curse, but it can set the tone for the dynamic of the relationship. I also agree that boys tend to vent to their mothers because for most, that has always been a safe place. But my nanny gave me some great advice in life. Don't tell your family members things that you don't want them to hold a grudge about because you might forgive and forget it.

And then you move on and you expect everybody else to move on. Everybody else is not moving on because they are not connected to that person that you were telling them about in the way that you are. And even though they say it doesn't bother them or the son thinks it doesn't bother their mom, it very much does. And it will shift the way they look at their spouse. I promise you I've gone through it. It doesn't matter if you feel he feels like it's not going to affect or impact long term. 1000% it will. 1000%. They hold onto that like a little Easter egg.

Not the Easter egg. Okay. Next person says, let's see if I can get some group input here. Is there an appropriate way for me to hit on my daughter's second grade substitute teacher? First of all, I thought this person was asking, can they like hit their child? And I'm like, no, you cannot. The advice I've gotten so far is send my daughter to school with a note for him, but I don't know about that.

I'm not recommending that. I would say, how often is this guy a sub? Yeah, maybe it's a longterm sub. Maybe I would just say something to the teacher, message the teacher on the app and say, is that guy single? You know what I mean? Like just have them put in a good word for you. message to teach her on the app and say, is that guy single? You know what I mean? Like just have them put in a good word for you.

Find his name and find him on social media. Yeah, 100%. You know, I feel like sending a note through a possible school backpack is very risky behavior. Yeah, you don't know where it's going to end up. And the last thing you need is for it to get into the wrong hands. So my suggestion would be fuck no. And does that like change the dynamic if the guy's not interested and now he has like this paper copy of this note that was sent by your daughter? Yeah, I'm not with them.

I'm not with it either. I'm like, find him on Insta, ma'am. Ask the gym teacher to put in a good word. The gym teacher to put in a good word. Let's talk about Quince because I love Quince. I have towels, I have bedding, I have jewelry, I have sunglasses, I have all the things. And vacation season is nearly upon us. I just got brand new gold hoops from there and a pair of green sunglasses that I'm obsessed with. I love Quince's high quality travel essentials

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And then that's the biggest, most exciting thing that's happening this week. Can we talk about junior, senior prom just for a second? Because I want to know the parents that are listening to this that have kids that are that age. Are you letting your freshmen go to junior senior prom if they've been asked because I was not allowed. My parents had the rule that that that was reserved for juniors and seniors and a freshman should not be going. That's one way to look at it. That didn't really cross my mind because Isaac was in the play. A lot of the juniors and seniors were in the play. He's already interconnected with them from that. He's also in debate club. The day of prom, he has a debate competition

and prom in the same day. I don't know. Isaac's on high honor roll. I just didn't really cross my mind to even think about whether he could go or not. I just said yes. But to your point, an unpopular opinion, I don't think there should be a junior prom at all. I think that prom should be reserved for seniors only. It's part of the high school experience. For me, I think that prom should only be for seniors. I went to Joe's senior prom when I was in high school. I was a junior and he was a senior and he went to a different high school than me. I never went to my own prom. That was the only experience I had. I also think that

prom is wildly overrated. The amount of money that people spend on prom is crazy. The intricate dresses, the professional hair, the professional makeup, the professional photographers, the dinners that they're allowing their kids to go to. And I say this because my parents allowed it, right? So I can speak from experience of doing this. Some people are spending thousands of dollars and it used to be a thing to get like a Hummer limousine. Yeah. Like remember that time? Yeah. I'm just like, I don't know. I want Jackson to be able to have things and experiences, but I also want him to be realistic about life. And I think spending thousands of dollars to do a prom situation, I would rather see him invite a friend on a trip.

Yeah. Oh, we're not spending thousands. We are not spending thousands. He's not getting a limo. He's not getting the thousands of dollars and stuff. It's like we made two appointments for Friday to go shopping for tuxes at two different places, hope to find one, and then we'll figure out like a car situation or like what the group of friends is doing, but we're not spending thousands. Not happening. But as a boy mom, I feel like it is a lot easier than girls. Yeah, because we're not doing the hair, the makeup, the dress, the shoes, the, you know, all of it. For boys, I think it's very different. For boys, it's like you're renting a tux, right? Well, we're going to buy ours. Oh, you're buying it?

Yeah, because you just, Isaac, if he wanted to, could pass it down to his brothers or he might be able to use it for like another time if we go to a wedding or something. So I mean, that makes sense to me. I remember back when I was in high school, I feel like all the guys rented tuxes from a place. Right? Yeah. And all the girls were out getting hundreds of dollars of dresses, but those were being purchased. Yeah. Yeah. You don't rent them. Now they have more rental options, but if you get it tailored or you go to a seamstress, you can't send that back. She better hope it fits you like a glove. I'm just glad that I have a boy. I have six of them.

So that same suit can get passed down to every last one of them. It's going to rotate. Imagine. On that note, we have foul play. Okay. Foul play. Every Friday, I volunteer at my daughter's school following my routine of leaving work and heading straight there. Part of this routine includes a quick stop

at the staff bathroom. One particular Friday, as usual, I knocked on the bathroom door and hearing no response, I opened it. To my utter horror, I found a teacher mid-wipe examining the toilet paper. Shocked and embarrassed, I stammered in apology, slammed the door shut, and rushed to my daughter's class, my face burning. Minutes later, the teacher, red-faced, chafed after me and said, I had to see who it was, she said breathlessly. It's my fault I didn't lock the door. Now, every time I see her in the hallways, I'm convinced my embarrassment is greater than hers. Despite her polite smiles, that single awkward incident turned my routine into a

silent laugh track of cringe-worthy moments." Why was she examining the toilet paper and said she had to see who it was? Did she mean to say, I need to see what it was? Because why are you examining the toilet paper? Well I mean, I feel like, you know, we don't know the age of this person, but could a possible like illness be a concern of why she would be looking at it? Like is there any blood in my stool? Like, I don't even like, I wouldn't feel the exact same way and never look at that teacher the same.

Like is it mucus lined? Is it, you know, like maybe you just need to know, do I have a healthy shit? I'll tell you what wasn't healthy when I shit my pants last week. Nothing about that was healthy. I just hope that your IBS subsides at some point. Yeah, hopefully before I turn 60. Well, the good news is since you want to pass away at 60 years old, it won't matter after that point. Period. I'll let you know how Pranuvo MRI full body scan goes. Okay. Okay. Next. When I was a young newlywed, I

got sick with a stomach bug. I threw up so much that my then husband got worried and took me to the clinic on base. So I was weak and dizzy from being sick over and over that I passed out as soon as we got into the building. I don't remember all of what happened. But he told me later, apparently I lost control of my bowels right there in the waiting room and started to hurl at the same time. Listen, shitting and puking at the same time is the fucking worst thing in the world. I just actually did that.

A few nurses came to help me get me to the bathroom. I vaguely remember sitting on the toilet while everything started coming out from both ends again and I fainted again, falling off the toilet with my pants around my ankles. I kind of came to and they were trying to clean me up and I remember a new nurse coming into the bathroom saying, Jesus Christ, it must have smelled really bad because they got me sort of dressed into the room. I could hear someone in the waiting room saying, my God, that's foul. I was so empty and dehydrated that I was going in and out of consciousness, but I'll never forget that. God, it was embarrassing not to mention miserable and I have never been that sick before or since. Thank God.

That's how I was feeling in Chattanooga when we went to podcast with Macy and Lindsay Nicholson and it was just like both ends and you're just so tired. You're drained. Kale, when you get to the point of puking, that it's taking so much of your energy out, it's coming up and your stomachs can bolting and you're shitting. No, literally worst nightmare. It is the worst thing in the world. One of my brothers told me the last time I had stomach bug, he was like, Lindsay, at the point that you have to have, like you're sitting on the

shitter and then you're puking into something else. You know that like you're about to see the Lord. You are about to meet Jesus because that is awful. Honestly, who somebody was telling me a story about shitting in the shower because there was it like literally was just liquid. Was it a foul play? It was either a foul play. Somebody wrote, I don't know what I was like, I I think someone you personally know. Imagine. I actually sent the link to the leggings that I wore. Kristen said it was me.

Oh, was it? Well, your secret is half safe with me because I wouldn't have known that it was you at all. I was shitting down the drain. Yeah, been there. So fast. It's just so terrible. Listen, the last time that I got the stomach bug was when I was in Mexico. Well, actually it was like neuro, neuro virus, like whatever it's called. And the last time I puked, I remember praying to God. I said, please just like do whatever you're going to do to me. Just make it all end. I don't care what you're going to do.

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