Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Nannies, Murder & Parenting Red Flags

Episode Date: March 7, 2024

CC337: Kail and Lindsie share their thoughts on Kelly Osbourne comments about motherhood, as well as the differences between having a nanny versus a babysitter. Today's topic of murder involves a case of a mother who abandoned her 16 month old child to go on vacation, and a high profile case out of Athens involving a nursing student. Kail shares some parenting red flags that teachers notice, and today's Foul Play has us shaking our heads at bad airplane etiquette. Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more! Thank you to our sponsors! Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first month Care/of: Visit TakeCareOf.com and enter code COFFEE50 for 50% off your first month’s subscription Chime: Get started at chime.com/convos Hatch: Get $20 off your purchase of the Hatch Restore and free shipping at hatch.co/coffeeconvos IQBar: Get 20% off every IQBar product plus free shipping when you text CONVOS to 64-000. By Texting 64000, you agree to receive recurring automated marketing messages from IQBAR. Message and data rates may apply. No purchase required. Terms apply, available at IQBAR.com. Reply "STOP" to stop, "HELP" for help Progressive: Visit progressive.com to learn more! Rocket Money: Manage your expenses the easy way by going to RocketMoney.com/COFFEECONVOS

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. Good morning. Why does that sound so sexual? You have 24 karat gold eye patches on or what? I do. Listen, you know, a couple episodes ago when I was like, do you hear my voice? Like it's still like this. Actually, good morning. Welcome to Coffee Combo's podcast. Welcome to the should show. Do you ever like feel like, okay, I'm getting in this good routine and I'm getting ready and like I'm doing all of these

things and the day comes and you're like, wait, I actually can't put makeup on my face today because I have a breakout and I'm not trying to make it worse than what it already was. Yes. Yes. That's me today. Hello, everyone. Hello, everyone. I hate when I have like, if I have dry skin or something and I try to cover it and then you're like, okay, this is just making everything worse. Okay. Has anyone ever gone through like a period of time

in their 30s where you feel like you're a teenager because you're getting like the hormonal breakouts, but I never got those even as a teenager and now I'm getting them. Well, I just feel like a teenager pretty much all the time because I'm just very immature, so. Tell us how you really feel about yourself. No, I'm wearing 24 karat gold eye gels right now. This is part of my morning routine. It just makes me feel like I'm ready

for this fucking day. I bought a little refrigerator for my closet. I'll have to show it to you. A little pink frigidaire refrigerator for me to put all of my skin stuff in. Oh, cute. It's so precious. I'll send you the link because you're probably going to want it too. But I just got sick and fucking tired of going in my refrigerator or somebody else going in my refrigerator and being like, why is this like your cosmetic case? When did they start making products that needed to be refrigerated? Because I don't remember ever seeing that until like the last five ish years.

I don't know, but I fucking refrigerate everything. Everything. Do you think the gels like last longer or they just feel better or what? Oh God, it's like an orgasm on your face when you like put them on after they've been in the fridge. It feels so good. Oh, I need to put, I have, the vanity in my bathroom has like a plug. So I wonder if the fridge that you got is small enough

to fit like on the counter. I'll send it to you whenever we get off this recording so you can see it, But I need to tell you about like what's going on in my house. So did I tell you that Will got a new job? I think I like briefly told you that it's not really like a new job. It's a new position. So he's traveling all the time. Basically, since the last week of January, he's he's been gone every single week. And so it's definitely thrown off like our co-parenting days. Tough.

And I'm not concerned about it because I'm getting lots of extra time. So I'm like kind of thankful for it. But at the same time, I wanted to ask you, do your kids get so used to their routine? Like they know exactly where they're going to be on one day. And then if they're not there, then it's like chaos. I don't even know if it's chaos. I think it's more so like, well, for example, when I dropped Lincoln off at school on Monday, he's like, I forgot my soccer cleats and we know that he needs a soccer cleats to be at hobbies.

I mean, I'm going to go to the game anyway, so I'll bring them, but just little shit like that. And so like they just get settled in with a week of time. So I don't truly think, cause in way in the beginning when you started co-parenting as well, I know you were doing week on week off and you switched to two, two, three,

regardless of whatever situation it is, like it truly doesn't matter. As soon as they settle in, whether it's two days, four days, two weeks, the shit is they have to pack up and leave again. I hate it. Like I absolutely hate that part of it.

I like the fact that we share equal amount of time because I feel like he needs that relationship with his dad as much as he needs it with me. This schedule that we've been working off of, and it's not going to be like this forever, it's honestly just the way that the cookie crumbled, but he's going to get back on like a more regular routine. But for the last three weeks, it's just been mass chaos. And Jackson's having a really hard time with it. He's like, I'm not typically at dad's on this day and I'm typically with you. So Will traveled today and he's normally not with me on a Tuesday. Well when I went to take him to school on Monday and he saw his little go-between bag

sitting in the kitchen, he was like, why is all my stuff going in the go-between bag? And I said, because you're going to dad's for Monday. And he's like, that just doesn't make sense to me. I just need to stay here because then I have to go to dad's, then I have to come back, then I have to go back to dads. So I just wanted to know if it's hard for you too. And I don't, I think at one point I felt like it got a little bit easier, but now that Isaac and Lincoln are at their ages that they're at now, which Jackson and Lincoln are the same age, it's, I wasn't prepared for it to be harder for me. I don't know why. And like, I'm like the one day I just found myself crying about dropping

them off at school on Monday and I don't really know why I didn't let them see me. I was like, kind of when they got out of the car and I started crying. Like this is not getting easier. I thought it was going to get easier as the years went on, but it just doesn't because I get so used to them being here and like doing stuff and for a long time Lincoln I feel favored hobby and being over at hobbies house and now I feel like he does feel equally about our houses and so it's never like he has I oh my god it's been years since he's been like I want to go back to my dad's. I don't want to share my kids. I just don't want to.

I hate the whole sharing part. It's a learning curve that I've definitely had to go through. I think with boys though, I went through that a little bit with Jackson too, where he's like, I just want to, when he first started playing basketball, he's like, I just want to go and play basketball with my dad's. And it was like every day he wanted to go and play basketball with Will. And I can't be his dad, you know? So there are certain things that he's going to naturally gravitate towards his dad for those things. And it's something that I had to learn.

Like it's nothing that's wrong with me. It's just the fact that he likes playing a sport with him better than he likes playing with me I'll just let you fucking win like I don't care and Will's like no you aren't winning I'm gonna show you and also blow out my knee like while I'm doing this but yeah no it's just been like a crazy three weeks around here and I've also been keeping the dogs so when Will goes out of town and the dogs come over here. So I told him this morning, I said, when are you dropping the dogs off? Like I've got shit to do.

And he was like, well, I can drop them off at any time. And I said, well, specifically 9 45 and don't come before them because I'm going to be in the shower and also don't come after them because I'm going to be recording. You're like, you have at 9 45 do not. Yeah, he was standing at my door at 9 45 like didn't even ring the doorbell because he probably was like this bitch is going to go nuts on me. But he sees my Bronco hat and he goes really like do you need to wear a Bronco hat because you have a Bronco? And I was like, I just like it. He was like, yeah, Bronco built wild. It kind of looks like a Mustang though. You know what? Everybody says that. I've gotten that so many times on Instagram, people saying,

I didn't know that you drove a Mustang. And I'm like, the fuck are you talking about? Well, because a Mustang is also a horse. So I guess it makes like it could be one. Does a Mustang and a Bronco look alike? Oh, that I don't know. Okay, this is where we get into our stupid shit. I'm pretty sure Elijah just looked I can't see because I don't have my contacts in or my glasses. I'm pretty sure he was like, what the fuck? I know. Um, so wait, I was sleuthing. What is it called sleuthing the internet? Yeah. And I came across this article on Yahoo

about Kelly Osborne becoming a mother. And in this article, she talks about how there was no adjustment period for her into motherhood. She says, quote, my life is the absolute best. Quote, there was no adjustment period for me because I love it all the good, the bad, the ugly, I take it all it's so much fun. Quote, it's given me purpose in life like nothing ever has. Just getting to watch my little man grow and seeing him become a little person is like it's gonna make me cry if I keep talking about it. His favorite food is cheap. Like she just goes on and on.

But like, nowhere in here, in my opinion, is realistic. And like even when because there's like this whole obsession on social media, I don't know if you've seen it about influencers not talking about their nannies. Have you seen that? I have seen that. Yeah. I do feel like I never thought about it. I don't know if it's because I'm sort of in that world of like creating not content, but like influencer sort of vibe.

But I've been since I had a nanny, I've been open about it since day one. So I guess I never thought about it, but they were like, who's the Lebrant family's nanny? And like who when they're making all these crazy TikToks, like who's with their, I'm not judging. I don't give a shit. But I say all that to say, like, there's so, it takes a fucking village to raise children. So to sit here and say, even the best mom in the world doesn't think that there's an adjustment period just sounds so unrealistic to me. Or even the moms, for example, who, or dads, because I follow this, this gay man on TikTok who chose to become most single father, you could love it so much. There's still an adjustment.

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So that's just not even realistic, whether that's becoming a mother or driving a new car or becoming single, everything is an adjustment when something changes. It felt very tone deaf to me because I could only assume that she probably has help. I don't know what her relationship status is or anything like that, but like I said, even when you are choosing to be a single parent or you're the best single parent there could be, there are very difficult parts. And I think that that's maybe what other people think is hard

or difficult or taxing in motherhood. Maybe she doesn't think that those things are. And so maybe it could have been worded better, like you said, you know, she could say, I even love the challenging parts, but to make it seem like there's absolutely nothing challenging about it, like I love being a mom more than anything in this fucking world. And you know I would do anything for my kids, but I have struggled over the years.

I mean, I have gone through periods of time where I didn't wanna get up in the mornings. I've gone through periods of time where I was like, what the fuck? You know what I mean? And I love being a mom. Going back to what you said about there being the, I don't know if the word would be not forthcoming about having nannies when you see these influencers. And I've struggled with that a little bit watching certain influencers and I'm not going to call them out, but watching certain people's pages and it's like, okay, you have to have

a full-time nanny to be taking on all of that stuff because there is no possible way in any given day that I would have the flexibility to be able to do all of that because I don't have a full-time nanny. I have a babysitter, like a girl who is in college who comes and watches Jackson one evening a week. And that's it. That's the only time that I have that is just like solo outside of the time that I don't have him, of course.

But when I do have him, that's the only help that I have. So sometimes I think, as we talked about before, I can't remember if it was last week's episode or the week before about these influencers not being forthcoming about their actual life and what it looks like behind the scenes. And I'm guilty of that a little bit too. You know, Kristin and I had a conversation about people asking like, how do you clean this or how do you clean that? And it's like, you get so wrapped up in the mundane parts of life that it's just stuff that you forget about sharing. But to say that there is no adjustment into motherhood is completely told death because there is no possible way that any person that's ever had a child did not

feel that adjustment, that stress, the anxiety that comes along with it. I used to sleep, like, Kale, when I was in high school, I went to sleep at like 830 at night and would sleep until the latest time that I possibly could sleep and did that all through college. Like I have always been a huge sleeper. The lack of sleep is what really screwed me. No, 1000. That is the hardest part for me. The lack of sleep affects everything because if you have a lack of sleep, and then you get an attitude or you have short patients or you have your irritable because of that, that's been the hardest part of me for me. The lack of sleep alone will determine how

challenging motherhood can be. I had did a whole episode with my attorney on the Southern T and kind of got into the nitty gritty of Chrisley Knows Best. I don't know how it was for Teen Mom for you, but once I started traveling to Nashville, I didn't get into this part of it. But once I started traveling to Nashville, I didn't have a choice when Jackson started preschool, I didn't want to take him to film for the show if he was not going to be required for a scene or whatever. That just to me was silly. His dad was here working a job. So I fought with the network about getting an

Annie. I said, no, if you guys want me to continue doing this, my child's life is not going to be uprooted. He has to have some stability. He needs to be in his preschool class. If you are not requiring him for a scene, I need somebody that is a trusty rusty that I know can go and pick him up from school like while Will's on a job, get him back home,

play with him until his dad gets home. I still don't know if that is considered a nanny because I don't know, do nannies do everything? Well, so that's kind of what I was thinking over the last few days that I've been seeing the influencer nanny saga. When I think of a nanny, I think of someone who is essentially a third parent,

right? Someone who is helping with a lot of tasks. I would say a nanny is more so someone who is doing the picking ups, the dropping offs, all of that stuff and potentially like, remember when I talked about having an au pair. They could do any child related task. So if that meant laundry for said child, dishes for said child, they couldn't do those tasks for adults or anybody else living in the house, but children related was on the list. So I would say a nanny does all those things. And then like a babysitter or childcare provider outside of that, it would maybe vary depending on what the contract is or what the situation is.

I also had points of contention with networks about childcare during scenes and stuff. There was a point where I was like, I'm not bringing the kids to these reunions anymore. One, they're so volatile and unpredictable. I'm not bringing the kids to these reunions anymore. One, they're so volatile and unpredictable. I'm not doing that anymore. Then when they got of school age, I was like, so then that offer stood, we'll pay for childcare at home or there will be a school teacher on set so they won't miss like schooling. But to me, I'm like, they're not doing no fucking schoolwork on those sets. So you can pay for childcare while we're out on the show doing reunions and stuff So for Chris Lee knows best from my understanding they had to have as long as miners were filming

They had to have a school teacher there yep now Whether you were using it or not. I don't really know like what the law was for that But what I can tell you was I personally was not using that school teacher. That was just a requirement for... To cover their asses. Yeah, to cover their ass. I do know someone, and I'm not going to say who this person is, but I do know someone that I would say I referred to that person's caregiver as a nanny because they did all of the things like

bathing, getting school clothes ready, washing clothes, fixing school lunches, taking to therapy appointments, taking to extracurricular. To me, that is probably, in my opinion, the difference between a nanny and a babysitter. Yeah. I would agree with that. I would definitely agree with that. And everyone has different needs. So yeah, I'm not judging. Listen, I'm not judging anybody. Coffee Combos podcast is sponsored by Better Health. We regularly talk about therapy a lot. And I just need to reiterate that therapy is my favorite part of the week. A lot of us have spent time in our lives wishing we had more time, but the question is time

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I saw this article come up on people. And I don't know if you saw it or not. But it says mom who left toddler alone for 10 days at home to go on Caribbean vacation pleads guilty to murder. Did you see this? No, I never saw this. So this woman left her 16-month-old daughter at home. This woman's from Ohio. She pled guilty to aggravated murder in connection with the death of her toddler who she left

alone unattended for 10 days while she wanted a vacation last summer. This woman's 32 years old, entered guilty pleas for one count of aggravated murder and one count of endangering children. And that was according to their local county records. She was acquitted of two counts of murder and one count of felony, felonist assault. I cannot like, what would go through somebody's mind to leave a 16-month-old child at home while they were just off vacationing in the Caribbean? I remember similar cases within the last like three years.

And I just, I can't wrap my mind around, how do you think that this child is going to survive? It says this case is one of those truly unimaginable cases that will stick with me for many years, says the prosecutor. As prosecutors, it is our job to represent the victims. And today we speak on behalf of the 16 month old who is no longer with us due to selfish decisions her mother made. This conviction today is the first step towards justice for her. I just cannot imagine what would go through somebody's mind. I actually do remember you saying something about this because I said, how can you go somewhere for 10 days, leave a child in a pack and play?

Did you not have anybody that you could ask to like watch your baby while you were gone for 10 days? Didn't the mom like come and like notice that the baby was dead or something like that? And it was like, why couldn't the mom just watch the baby while you went on went on the vacation in the first place? Do you remember that? I feel like you said that. Yeah, I do feel like you said that.

I Rio is 15 months old. So just around the age of the 16 month old baby, Jalen. First of all, I love Rio so much. I wanna kiss him and bite his face off. And I just wanna like- I know, I'm gonna call you out on this. I can't imagine leaving him to fend for himself in a pack and play for 10 days.

I can't imagine for a couple hours Is this your new favorite child? Remember when Lincoln used to be your favorite child and then Lux and then yeah Yeah And then that people say I don't love Creed up Creed at all and I don't care about Isaac and I can't I can't do with anybody but Rio is just such a chill baby like I just You know what I mean, but could you imagine just leaving that child in a pack and play?

I would have so much anxiety leaving that house knowing that my child was just left unattended. Like anything could fucking happen, anything. An electrical fire, but to die of dehydration, starving to death, like things like things like that's a slow Agonizing painful death like that what I was thinking is what is wrong with you? What is wrong with you? And how long? Would the child have been able to go before it became unresponsive without? Having anything like I think we're no water

Like a healthy adult maybe like a week Ten days though ten days. I mean she had to have been Passed away before the ten-day mark like my guess would be like three four days. That's just so So sick, I can't I get so much anxiety kill if I go to the grocery store, so Jackson's 11, so I will leave him at home for short periods of time. Like if I need to go and check my mail or because we have like a mail center in my neighborhood or if I need to go to the grocery store or if I do like a quick little target run. I still have anxiety when I do that, but I know it's just part of the process of

kids growing up. My parents used to leave me at home when I was in fourth grade all the time by myself with my younger siblings and I don't think they really thought anything of it. I was always mature, like a little mother for pretty much my whole life. I went from playing with baby dolls to just playing with Chase and Savannah. I can't imagine leaving even a child that was like eight or nine years old. It took me forever to even... When I used to go and check my mail in my neighborhood, I would make Jackson ride with me in the car or walk with me. You were like, he can come. When the kids want to go down to the dollar store right here by my house, I follow in the car behind them.

Wait, do they walk to it? Lincoln likes to ride his bike down there. Tell me the scenario. It's like a family dollar. It's less than half a mile. We live in a really small, small, small town. He'll be like, oh, I want to go to the dollar store or whatever. I was like, all right. I get my little slippers on. I don't even put real shoes on. He'll get on his bike and he'll start driving down there, riding down there and I get in the car.

Because you just never know. I trust Winky with everything, but you just don't know. Anything could happen. I see kids walking outside, like to and from school. If I do like carpool pickup or whatever, I will see them walking on the sidewalk. And I just wonder like, how did their parents gain that amount of trust? Like, you know what? I think some of it comes from working parents that don't have a choice. I think some of it comes from working parents that don't have a choice. They don't have the luxury of coming and going or working from home or they don't have a choice. Isaac had texted me the one day from, he goes to homework help after school, so he stays until

four and he was like, so and so might need a ride And I was like, okay, that's fine. Like we'll take them. And then when I get there, doesn't need a ride, but we start driving and we see him walking, cutting through neighborhoods. And I'm guessing it's because his parents are working and he didn't have a choice. But he knew how to cut through those neighborhoods like nobody's business. Listen, I respect all the parents out here who have kids that they feel like they're responsible enough to do that. And I do believe that certain life circumstances

require children to be like that when they have parents that don't have the capability of going to pick them up. So I just, I respect all of those parents that have kids that they can trust. I just am telling you, I do not have one that I can trust like that. He ain't gonna be out walking on the side of the road because

just absolutely not and then I'm just also wondering why they aren't on the school buses. I don't think that there's buses that take the kids home after like the homework help at the school, which is oh, maybe that's it. But also now that you say that, I didn't think about that. Cause again, I have the ability and the flexibility to go get him. I didn't even think about the kids who might not have that.

I have another, I just feel like we're talking about parenting. I want to know what you think about this. So we've talked about sleepovers before. Yep. I saw a mom posting on Instagram over the weekend and she have you seen like the cute little girl birthday parties where they set up like the tents and All that stuff. You're like, yes Valley's

Aunt just did it and it was the cutest thing I've ever fucking seen. It's so cute like makes me want a girl so bad Makes me want a hot dog real bad You remember that from what movie was that from? Legally Blonde? Where that lady is like makes me want a hot dog real bad. So she was having, she had this whole setup and it was like a Taylor Swift themed birthday party for her little girl. And I guess people had messaged her because she had been vocal about not believing in

sleepovers and her kids can't go to sleepovers and she doesn't host them. So I was like, oh, well, that's interesting because I knew that about her and now, you know, maybe she's changed her mind. And she had posted a thing about calling it a late over instead of a sleepover. So they get to do all of the things that they would do at a sleepover, just minus sleeping. And I wanted to know what your thoughts were

because Jackson had his first sleepover at my house this past weekend. And I don't have a problem with it in my home. I just don't want him having a sleepover somewhere else. I Also have like mixed there are very few people that I would allow my kids to have like sleepovers with and I think over time At first I was like, oh no, we're not doing this and then over time. It's just like I know I've grown really close with certain families and I just know that that's it's fine I've grown really close with certain families and I just know that it's fine. Now, Lincoln had a sleepover with one of his friends from school that I personally don't know him very

well but it occurred at his dad's house. It's weird because it's like, well, they trusted us to let their kids come with us. It's so hard. You kind of feel like a hypocrite, right? Like when you let your child, because Jackson's little buddy that slept over here, I know his mom very well. Jackson and him have been friends since kindergarten. They played ball together. We live super close to each other. Um, he has an older brother and so his older brother was having a girl over for the first time. And I was like, yeah, the boys can come to my house. Like I'll, I'll take that on because they don't really need to see all that stuff that's

probably going on. I do kind of feel like a hypocrite though. When I say you can have a sleep over here and your friends can come over here, but you can't go anywhere. I just like don't because I don't know. I guess there are certain families that I'm like, okay, yes, they can come here and you can go there. Like Lux's cousins that now the rest of my kids call them

their cousins, they can come here, we can go over there. Like that's fine. And then there's this little boy who calls me his other mom, Lincoln's mother. Yeah. And I was like, don't say that. I'm like, I don't know how your mom feels about that. And I don't want say that. I'm like, I don't know how your mom feels about that. And I don't want to hurt her feelings. Or like, I don't know if she feels any type of way

about it. And she texts me the one day and she's like, you know, he calls you his other mom. And I'm like, period. So she did hear about you. Same thing like he can go over there. He can come over here. But it's also weird about this too, like, I will pick up another child for Jackson to have him come and play. But I don't want Jackson in the car with anybody else. Okay, that makes sense.

You know, like, I don't know people's driving records and like they don't fucking know mine. But like if they don't care, I do. Yeah, no, I get that. I'm definitely I would be picky about it. Like certain people can drive with my kids and certain people absolutely the fuck not. These darn dogs are in this crate together and they're fricking biting each other over a bone. And I'm like, okay, I'm just removing the bone.

Dogs are like children. When you have multiple of them, they are just as bad as children. Oh, okay. Um, I know that you don't know that life anymore. Um, I don't ever want to have puppies ever again. Ever? No, never.

You know what? Everybody says that and then they get a puppy. No, I said that multiple times. I just, there are a lot of work, there are a lot of commitment, there are a lot of love that I just, you can't replace them. And I, my kids, aside from Rio, don't help or care about the dogs, so.

Are you the only one that cares? Mm-hmm. That is so weird to me, because I feel like you are a huge dog lover. And the fact that your kids aren't at all is so weird. I don't know if it's just because they've always had them. It's not like they got to an age at like 10 where they got their first dog. You know, like I feel like that maybe, I don't know, they're just used to having dogs and

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of Georgia? I briefly saw something. I didn't look too much into it, but she was left in her dorm room, is that right? No, so this girl was killed by a pond. She was out, I believe on a run. So it says Georgia nursing students death, put spotlights on female runner safety. So she was 22 year old nursing student and she was out for a run

and They found the guy Didn't take them very long I was watching like all the press conferences and stuff where they had the the campus police working the local law enforcement they called in the GBI, I think the FBI, the governor's been involved. It's been all over our new station.

It's obviously like very close to us and the girl is from the county that I live in. Like that's where she grew up. So I believe she was actually a former student of the University of Georgia, but then she transferred to a nursing school in Athens, like the same area where University of Georgia is. But 22 years old and she was found in a wooded area on the University of Georgia's Athens campus on February 22nd with visible injuries. She died from blunt force trauma,

and that was according to the University of Georgia Police Chief. The suspect is 26 years old. He was charged with malice murder, felony murder, aggravated battery, aggravated assault, false imprisonment, kidnapping, obstructing an emergency call, and concealing the death of another. He was denied bond during the initial court appearance and he's being held at the local

county jail. It's crazy to me that they don't believe that there is a motive. It creeps me out. I'm going to post the article on the Coffee Comvo's Instagram page and then also link it to the Facebook page. But I don't know what it is, but when I have heard about people dying around like water, it freaks me out. And looking at this photo, like where this all took place and just this pond, where this all took place and just this pond, it literally sends chills down my spine. A friend of the girl said that

she was missing shortly afternoon on February 22nd. She failed to return home from a run at the intramural fields earlier that morning. University police officers subsequently found her behind a lake near the field unconscious and not breathing. Officers attempted to provide medical aid, but she was pronounced dead at the scene. They wouldn't release like where the cameras were on campus, I guess, just for the safety probably of the students and the people who are there. They don't want to identify where the cameras and stuff were, but they have all of the footage, like every bit of it.

So he was caught on camera. Like there is no... So when you said that there was no motive, I don't think that those types of... Because we've heard of other stories where people go for a run and then turn up missing or get sexually assaulted. And I say it like it's not a big deal, but it absolutely is. I think those are the ones that don't have motive. It's just they wanted to get their rocks off essentially and there is no motive outside

of opportunity, which just leads me to believe you're an evil person and you were born this way and there's nothing that, you know what I mean? You're an evil fucking person. So Kristen and I were talking about this and just based off of everything that I've seen about this case thus far seems as if this girl acted safely and like, there was nothing that she was doing that was deemed unsafe. What was he doing like on campus near the intramural fields? He was doing exactly what he did. He was looking for someone to stock an opportunity to do what he wanted to do. What other reason would there be?

When Jackson had that sleepover, all this stuff was going on in the local news. So when I went to pick up the little boy, his mom was telling me that she had heard that this man was trying to get a cell phone from her. And she said that she had an extra cell phone or something in her dorm, like with her roommate or apartment, whatever. Allegedly, she called and started speaking in another language and to her roommate and This all unfolded. I don't know how much truth there is to that Or what but if this was over a cell phone, I would have given my cell phone

But I just can't to me that might be the explanation, but I can't imagine that that was what it was I just can't imagine all of those things transpiring over a cell phone. Like there had to have been more to that. I truly believe that this girl at 22 years old in a situation like that, if he was just trying to get the cell phone, she would have given him the cell phone.

Right, right. You know? Yeah, because there has to be more. Yeah, I just don't, I mean, maybe that was like what it was thought to be, but I can't imagine. Because I mean, you and I, if we went out on a walk or a run and that happened to us, we would give it to them. Even if we put up a fight, we're going to give it to them or not put up a fight. He went in there with the intentions to do what he was going to do, I think. Speaking of children, this episode, I know that we both have complained and not complained

about communications with teachers, emails, apps, all the things, right? So I wanted to bring up this article on Buzzfeed about teachers revealing parenting red flags when they notice that they notice right away when they meet the child's parent. I was wondering if you- Oh, I love this from the teacher perspective. Yeah. I wanted to know if you fall into any of these categories because I feel like over time I've probably been... I have so many kids that I can't be on my A game.

I mean, I should, but I, you know, life. So one, the teacher says that she's worked with kids in a variety of settings. And one is at like parent-teacher conferences or something when they're having a conversation, they start with, the parent starts with, we don't believe in whatever the topic is. We don't believe in bedtimes or we don't believe in limiting junk food or we believe in only using natural products. Things like that, she says are having an impact on the children. She said, it's great to have parenting ideals, but your child's needs need to come first.

How do you feel about that one? The only time I've ever ran into an issue with something like this was during the pandemic when Jackson went back to school and the teachers were being provided by the county cleaning supplies that the teachers were claiming were unsafe cleaning supplies. And so I provided regular cleaning supplies that should have been used to the classroom because I did not believe in the teachers using that all over our children's desk to clean pencils and like things that they were touching. That's the only time I've ever ran into an issue like that. And then the county made them use the cleaning supplies that they provided.

So that was a little problematic to me. Outside of that, I don't really think that my beliefs... You mean the county provided natural ones or you provided natural ones? No, I did. Okay. I see what you're saying. But the county wanted them to use, for example, the name brand of Clorox or Bleach or whatever. Yeah, but this was not any of that. All of the teachers were saying to trusted parents that they could have conversations with, you do not want your kid's stuff cleaned with this.

You do not want them using this type of sanitizer, whatever. So I said I would provide it for the entire class and the county wouldn't allow that. So that was the only time that I've ever ran into an issue like that. Outside of my beliefs as a parent, my beliefs as a parent does not really have any place in a classroom. Okay. So overall, we pretty much agree with that one. That can be problematic. I know I've seen some extremes on like Wife Swap or shows that I used to watch in the past where they're doing these extreme, like, we let our children choose when they go to

bed. For me, I'm not letting my kids choose when they go to bed because my kids need sleep to function properly and without that, they're tiny terrors. So no, they're going to function properly at school when they come home. Another one says, quote, I was a teacher for 15 years and I still work in schools, but now I'm a school behavior specialist. She says one of the biggest red flags is the kids have no idea how to self-soothe or find comfort when upset.

So when giving an option to come to a calm down room or counselor's office to talk about their feelings, these kids have no idea how to do that or how to process. I don't think that that's natural. That does have to be taught because I've definitely seen my kids react maybe emotionally charged in ways that I have because I wasn't going through therapy at the time. So now it's like Creed will literally say, like, Lux, take a deep breath. And so those things have to be taught. I'm like, okay, well, my three-year-old knows exactly what it takes.

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If that's not meeting, that is a red flag. Because if a teacher calls me about something that my child has done, you better bet he's going to hear about it at home. And the way I might remedy the issue might be different than a teacher could do inside a school setting, you're still gonna hear about it because if your teacher felt that it wasn't appropriate for whatever you were doing in the classroom, then we're gonna talk about why it wasn't appropriate.

And I don't care if I feel it's appropriate or not, your teacher is your parent away from home when she has you. Yeah, that's true. Although we gotta teach our kids at home how to handle certain things so that it's not like a teacher handling said issue in addition to also having to handle them not processing those emotions and how to handle certain things on top of the issue. Does that make sense? 100%.

I had a situation where a child was having a meltdown, lots of feelings, they're little, you know how it goes. And someone I know and I got into a situation where this person was telling me that my kid needed his ass beat. And I said, no, if he's having a meltdown because he cannot process, he can't explain what he needs and he's had a long day and he's between four walls at school, beating his ass does not teach him

how to fully process his day, his emotions, and come to a way to self-soothe, right? Like he can't teach himself to self-soothe if I don't teach him how to do that. He can't do that. So beating his ass is not rectifying any fucking issue. But if the behavior that he was doing was deemed inappropriate by someone, right? And then you're going to remedy

that issue with an inappropriate response. Is that not just reinforcing negative behavior? I don't believe in remedying stuff like that. There's a deeper issue than just immediately jumping to, and I'm quoting, beat their ass. Yeah, no, that was exactly what he said. Like, he's not gonna do that. Yep, and I literally lost my chefs. He absolutely does not need his ass beat. I said, and I literally went through it. I'm like, he's this age, he's been between four walls all day, you know, there's a lot of their, it's overstimulating at school for all, for everyone.

It's overstimulating for adults at work. Coming home and having a meltdown means that one, he felt safe enough to do that. And two, I will literally and all my kids, I'll send them to their rooms, go have a minute by yourself for a minute. And then I'll be up in a second to talk to you. You and I are the same in that. And I know what child that you are talking about because Jackson had some of these same issues whenever he started school too. He would come home and have these meltdowns. And I think he was so overstimulated at school by all the other children.

I mean, there's so much. Like, we're all overstimulated humans, right? But come home and have these meltdowns. So I finally just said, Jackson, buddy, you clearly are really tired and you clearly need some alone time. So you need to go to your bedroom. And I don't care if you're taking a nap, if you want to sit up there and read a book, but you need a cool down moment.

And once I feel like you've had enough cool down time, I will come and have a conversation with you about why you were feeling these emotions. Yeah. And that's it. I mean, it's actually saves everybody sanity because if we react over like emotionally charged and and Kristen is my saving grace when it comes to this because sometimes I have to call her and like say like have the emotionally charged moment not at her but just like with her to like talk me off the ledge not with my kids but just in life. Same thing with

our kids. They just need a moment to just chill for a second and then we can go up and talk about it. But it also saves me because if I react to them having this emotional meltdown, it's not, I'm not- But that's teaching them to react in that way. So really you're doing, you think that you're fixing something, but you're actually making something worse and showing them a behavior that you don't want them to learn. Oh, a hundred percent.

And I've seen like yesterday in the car, Lux and Creed were arguing and Creed who's three and a half years old looks at Lux and says, I don't want to hear it. And I said, Oh wow. That's me. That is me and my three year old picked up on it. And now I don't want to hear it just like that. I don't want to hear it. Who do you think you are talking about?

You don't want to hear it. So I have to really watch how I handle things because the kids are, they're literal sponges. They take in everything. Was that the only two red flags? Oh no, there was a lot, but we can move on. Will you post it so I can see all of them? And then I'm going to post on my Instagram story and tell you which red flag I am. A listener wrote in and asked this question and I feel like we've covered this kind of before, but with time

things changes. This person says, how do you know if having another baby is right for your family? I actually was eavesdropping on this lady in the nail salon the other day, and she was telling this young girl that was sitting next to her, she was like, well, if, I mean, typical Southern saying, she was like, well, honey, if you wait on the right time, you'll just never do it, and that's for anything in life.

And while I agree with that to some extent, I also disagree with it to some extent as well. Bringing a baby into this world is a very serious thing and I don't take that lightly at all. I've openly talked about I would never do it again unless it was the right situation. The right situation presented itself. That doesn't mean that everybody operates that way, but I think being in tune with yourself and also your partner is super important. I also have the biggest fear when I got to the point that I wanted a second baby.

Having conversations over and over and over again expecting a different answer from Will, I didn't want to get myself in a situation to where he was fully fulfilled with one child and then I had this desire to have another and then him resent me later down the road. That's something I was also trying to prevent. And I know a lot of people probably struggle with that. I know a lot of people that struggle with, they like the idea of having X amount of kids or they plan to have X amount of kids. But when they look at the reality of their situation, that number of kids does not fit nicely into the equation, whether it be financially or mentally or things like that.

And so I definitely, I would say that like, you know, when you're done, but I know someone who had two kids and she said she would have had more if she could, but she financially she couldn't take it on. She didn't have the help she couldn't she just couldn't. And so I respect that because I mean, she could have been like, you know what, fuck it, I'm going to do it anyway, because I want more. And it just when you look at that that situation and you're like, I just don't know if that is the right way to do things. I don't know if there is a right or wrong. Like, how do you know if it's right? I mean, you could both, both parties could want to have another child, right? Like mom, dad, mom,

mom, dad, dad, whatever the situation is, could both want to have another child. But when you look at the grand scheme of things, what does that mean for the well-being of the other children? And what does that look like financially for you? If it's going to strap you financially, I would say don't do it. So yeah, it might feel right, like you might feel like having another child is okay. But if it's going to like I tell Kristen all the time because this is something that you know people people ask me like how do you do it all? Whatever I had told Elijah from day one if we are gonna have real we're gonna have this baby I will not under any circumstances Not participate in something for Isaac Lincoln or Lux or Creed

Because I have a fifth child there in no way and there are people you are people that didn't really love that, that don't love that, because they don't understand that I do leave a lot of traditional gender roles to Elijah with the babies, but I'm not choosing to have these children off the backs of my other kids, and they have to suffer. So when people are like, oh, we both want another baby, but so-and-so will have to stop this sport, or sport or so and so won't be able to do this because we're going to have another baby.

Absolutely the fuck not. Absolutely the fuck not. You have, you have stayed steadfast in that even before your other kids though. Like when you just had the four boys, like I, I feel like you have been consistent on that. If you've been consistent on anything, it's been consistent on that. been consistent on that. If you've been consistent on anything, it's been consistent on that. I also feel like your body will tell you if you want another baby. I think because of the situation that I was in, I knew it probably wasn't the healthiest thing with marriage

issues to bring another baby in, but I had my heart's desire, wanted to have another one. And going through the miscarriage even made me long for it more. But at the same time, I know that there's a reason that everything happens. And I'm thankful that only one child is going through our situation versus two. But I do feel like my body's not done having a baby. Like I don't think my story's over with just having Jackson. And I think your body knows. You're open-minded in the future if the timing and the situation was right.

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Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that's really fair. I think that more people should look at it the way that you do and the way that Kristen does and some parts of the way I do. I would, and I only say some parts of the way I do because I started really young and so I didn't always have this mindset or, you know, where I, where I am today with motherhood and having all the kids that I have has changed and evolved over all of this time. But you know, Kristen is very like, it has to be right. And no, you don't wait for the perfect time, but the circumstances should be at least somewhat close to right.

You know? I mean, I think everybody's story is very different. However you get there, you're all arriving to the same situation in a different way. I am not closed off to the idea of having another child. But for me, at 34 years old with an 11-year-old, the situation would have to be very right and I would have to be very in love with that person and they would have to want it as bad as I did for me to agree to that. On that note, we have time for some foul play. This one's a long one, so buckle up. I thought I would share one of my many foul plays I have encountered while being a flight attendant.

At my first airline, I was working a flight from LAX to Fort Lauderdale. So for those of you who don't know, that's LA to Florida. And if you know anything about flying, pretty much anything anywhere in Florida is a nightmare. No offense to the Floridians, the flights just suck to work. I was the flight attendant in the back and pre-boarding passengers started coming on. Usually these people are sat closer to the front if possible, so it's easier to get on and off. Well, one of them after boarding came to the back to use the lavatory because people clearly prefer the glorified porta potty over a real bathroom in the terminal, apparently. I don't understand that. I don't either.

When people first get on a fucking plane and they go straight to the bathroom, it's like, did you rush here? Did you not have any time to stop? Why are you choosing this? I don't understand it. I never will. She was in the entire boarding, which is 40 minutes. I knocked on the door a few times and she said she was fine. Okay, cool, whatever.

When she opens the door, I got a whiff of chaos that she just created and almost died. I immediately ran to the back airplane doors to open, to breathe fresh air and grab air freshener. Well, not 30 seconds later, someone brings their call light as one does, and I get up to go to him and grab air freshener. Well, not 30 seconds later, someone rings their call light as one does, and I get up to go to him and he said, she just got shit on my seat.

I look at his seat in absolute horror, only to realize she got every seat on the way back to hers. She had actual shit on her hands and was using the backs of seats to help her walk back to her seat. When I see what she did in the lavatory, a horror movie is the literal only comparison. Shit everywhere. The walls, the floor, the ceiling, the sink, everywhere. I called the pilot and let them know we needed extensive cleaning. We ended up deep planing, had cleaners deep clean the entire

plane and reboard. Miss Shit Hands did not fly. She admitted to taking new medication and didn't know it would affect her like that. I don't know of a medication that causes you to put shit around an entire plane. Anyway, there are unfortunately lots more nasty stories like that. People are straight up nasty on airplanes.

I cannot understand how a woman or anybody, even a child, unless a child is trying to wipe their own ass and touches poop and doesn't wash their hands. That is the only scenario, because as a grown adult man or woman, how the fuck do you not get the shit in the toilet and then wash your hands and then clean up whatever in the bath?

How was it on the walls? Like, did you fucking fall in? I'm pissed off. I have shit myself. made less of a mess than this. Listen, I don't understand how you're in that close of quarters. There's not really like many places for it to go. Like, how was it on her hands? How was it on the walls? How was it on, there was so much poop

and you didn't see it on your hands and you didn't see it when you were touching the seats or smell it or like, you were a nasty bitch and you've always been a nasty bitch for you not to like, because at the point that somebody knocks on the door and asks you if you're okay and you're like, I'm fine, that would have been your saving grace to be like, I need help, I need extra wipes,

I need sanitizing products, whatever. I would have cleaned it myself if that was me. I have been on Metformin where I literally had to email Javi at the time or text him or whatever it was at the time and say, is there a bathroom nearby? If not, I can't come. Plain and simple. Oh my God.

I did to deplane a whole plane because there was a shit accident. Now it just gives me the creeps because like what else is on these planes that we're flying? Those seats are claw. No, I'm disgusted because that I mean, you're you're foul. You're foul. If you did that and you don't care and you're getting shit every like fuck you. Like you should never fly again.

You're, your flight privileges are revoked indefinitely. That's honestly a crime. No, it's a crime. It should be. No, it absolutely should be. Like she should have been charged with fucking disorderly conduct. I don't know. Disorderly conduct. I don't know. Disorderly conduct. Okay, but planes, why do people board commercial aircraft and they

act like it's their fucking apartment? They would do anything in there. I've seen people clipping toenails on their fingernails. You're lying. No, I'm not. I am not lying. I was on a flight to LAX one time and this man was clipping his fucking toenails his toenails. I'm so disgusted I also well, I just don't understand like so if boarding is 40 minutes and you thought that you had this shit Because of your new medication. Why again, I didn't you just like go. Why didn't you go in the terminal? I Why wouldn't you just go to the bathroom?

I would risk missing the flight and taking a shit in the bathroom of the fucking airport then getting on and having an entire plane de-boarded because I shit everywhere. I'm disgusted. I'm physically disgusted. Okay, this lady says, hey ladies, buckle up for this one. We are going back to the 1980s. My grandfather passed away a few years ago. My grandma went on to live a couple years after him, but she was severely depressed

as her husband was her whole entire life. That's exactly how my grandparents were. I grew up seeing them as the most incredible example of a loving marriage and what family means. They had a few children and a bunch of grandchildren. They always stressed the importance of family, always being close and having each other. My grandparents were incredibly in love. They never planned for death and left behind a large home filled with over 65 years worth of their belongings. In the process of going through things and cleaning the house out, a letter in an envelope was discovered in my grandmother's dresser underneath

a bunch of clothes. The letter was addressed specifically to her with MRS underlined. The letter was from the 80s. It went into grave detail about how my grandfather was cheating on my grandmother for over a year with one of his coworkers. The coworker was also married. Basically, her husband was following her and watching what she was doing because he had this feeling that she was sneaking around. The letter said that they could go into the parking lot of wherever they worked and have sex in the car in broad daylight. The letter said something about, do you know where your husband is at 3 a.m.?

Have you ever wondered why he comes home from work so late? The letter was written by the co-worker's husband. He was also following my grandfather in new details about my grandparents' children. The guy really did his homework on the guy who he said was ruining his perfectly good marriage. Anyway, my grandma had no idea about any of this until the letter. Maybe she had suspicions but didn't think her husband would actually cheat on her. She took this to her grave. The family is shook and we're trying not to think of my grandfather any differently because of this. It's just crazy to find something out like this after people involved are no longer alive.

I keep thinking about my poor grandmother and how she had to have strength to swallow all of this and stay in her marriage. I really believe she loved this man and wanted to be with him regardless of how he hurt her. I just want to say, I think it was way more common like back in the day for stuff like this to happen and for women to just not say anything and to stay in their marriages because that's what they knew and what they were taught that they were supposed to do. Like you don't divorce, you don't leave, you work through your problems or you just stay silent. I think that was probably very common. I would also agree that it was probably very common. I also think that part of it was because you don't really hear of, yeah, we know like the men will have up and left, but like single

moms back then, like 60s, 70s, 80s, maybe more in the 80s. But like, it didn't happen because women couldn't, they didn't work like they do now. You know what I mean? And so I think they didn't also have a choice. It was like, even if they wanted to leave, what were they going to do? I have not updated everyone on my DNA saga, but this essentially reminds me of the situation that my sister and I are in with like our family dynamics that we discovered on AncestryDNA. So at some point I'll discuss all of that on Barely Famous, but I would imagine that it's incredibly difficult

when you know someone to be a certain way or to be a certain way. Like Bone, for example, talked to me about her family dynamics and her family was the sisters that she discovered didn't have that experience with her dad, because that's not who her dad was to her. So I would imagine it's the same thing for, you know, you love your grandfather and you don't know him to be any other way than how he was to you. So how do you determine how you feel about them after you find out

stuff like that? It's so strange too. I couldn't imagine being in this situation and not being able to have any like form of closure to be able to ask any questions because now that person is no longer earth side. So I couldn't imagine how that would feel. I also have a family story that's like not mine to tell, but not the same situation, but something similar. I also saw this TikTok the other day of this girl talking about like never do ancestry.com unless you are fully mentally prepared for what you might find out. That would be terrible. If I fucking did a DNA kit and found out that my dad wasn't my dad, I'd commit a crime.

The only reason why I am where I am today is because my sister did one. She just did one. That was the whole... And then when she did one, my aunt did one. And the things that came out between our own family was shocking to say the least. My sister even messaged me and was like, if it wasn't for you, having you and going through this with you, she was like, I don't know what I would have done. That's so crazy. I can't wait to hear you talk about it more.

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