Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Not A Slave To My Chains Part 2

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

CC443: In Part 2 of these special crossover episodes, Lindsie continues the discussion about the ongoing public conflict with her father and other family members, stemming from tweets and alleged threats involving the sex tape. She details her attempts to terminate her contract with USA Network and Chrisley Knows Best to pursue other opportunities. Lindsie also describes a meeting with her father that went south regarding his financial investigation. The goal with these conversations is to highlight the emotional toll these public and private family disputes have had, and Lindsie's efforts to set the record straight!Listen to Part 3 on Southern Tea Podcast Wed 10/29Watch early exclusive video of part 3 on patreon.com/kaillowry releasing Fri 10/24.Thank you to our sponsors!Function Health: Visit www.functionhealth.com/COFFEE or use gift code COFFEE100 at sign-up to own your healthMomentous: Go to livemomentous.com and use code COFFEECONVOS for up to 35% off your first subscription orderRainbeau Curves: Available in-store at Walmart or online at bit.ly/rainsocial for purchaseSKIMS: Check out our favorite bras and underwear at https://www.skims.com/coffee #skimspartnerSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Crisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Welcome back to another episode of Coffee Convo's podcast. This is part two with Lizzie. Lindsay. You guys can find part one on the Southern Tea. It aired yesterday. So this is sort of a continuation for everything that we've been going through with Lindsay. I understand that these episodes are going to be more on the lengthy side, but I do think that a lot of the context is

very relevant. When I made the decision to address this, I wanted to make sure that everything was included because I want to put a cap on this and move on with my life. Nothing is resolved about the incident that occurs. Is that right? Correct. So it's on record. It's noted, but nothing is resolved. Nothing is, nothing happens. Nothing happens. A month after that, Todd tweets again. Like mother like daughter, once a cheater, always a cheater, once a liar, always a liar. Hashtag truth may cost you your kid. Hashtag it's coming out. Hashtag gloves off. Had you had communication since that incident and your attorney's reaching out to production, did you have any? contact with Todd? No. No. So he starts tweeting essentially out of left field. Yeah, at 5.50 a.m. it appears. I guess he woke up thinking this. Okay. So this was his first thought waking up. Like mother, like daughter. Once a cheater, always a cheater. Once a liar, always a liar. Truth may cost you your child. It's coming out, gloves off. Okay. He immediately tweets following that, same day. Quote, sometimes those that lie need to be exposed in order to stop the madness.

hashtag cheated twice hashtag thank god for puppy cams hashtag j a m r h hashtag sue me over the truth hashtag psycho oh that was at 547 a m okay so todd woke up and chose violence um i'm a little upset by this because learning that there could be a sex tape that you did not consent to is absolutely terrifying your father using that against you is absolutely horrendous and while i can say i am if i'm taking accountability here right i am not proud that i chose to date someone through a separation i'm not proud of that but it happened i did not consent to any type of video in fact i'm mortified by even thinking that it could possibly exist, but it's even more mortifying that your dad knows about it. And then it's further mortifying knowing that it ended up on Twitter.

Did you reach out to your dad at this point to address these tweets at all? I don't believe so. Don't believe so. Okay. So thank God for puppy cams. Hashtag J-A-M-R-H, if you follow the bouncing ball here, there was the tweets from June 29th, 2017, with hashtag two bachelors, okay? So June 29th, 2017, we are now over to September 13th, 2017 with those hashtags. The hashtag J-A-M-R-H is Josh Allen Murray and Robbie Hayes. Why would your dad feel comfortable? And this is more rhetorical. This is more directed directly to Tom. Why would you feel comfortable naming other people in your mess with your daughter? Why would you think that's appropriate? I cannot imagine as a mother.

as a parent, handling the hurt with my child in this way. This is highly upsetting, and I can't say that he, whatever he was thinking of you at that time, he was no better. And in fact, him being the parent is worse because I can't, you know, I think about the times that I don't agree with my kids, I'm not going to go online and rip them to shreds simply because I don't agree with what they're doing, the choices they make their lifestyle, right? Like, that's not what I'm here to do. And I also just don't understand hashtag sue me over the truth. No one's suing you. I don't like the, the psycho hashtag either because

that's implying that you're a psycho. He's essentially calling his own daughter a psycho. Yeah, but I wasn't even engaging in this stuff. I remember these things in real time because this was around the time that we're putting our branding together for coffee convos. You and I are essentially, friends at this time. And I don't remember you responding to it. I can't say that for certain. I don't believe anybody reached out at this time. Okay. I believe that my attorneys were only in communication regarding the investigation of the incident that occurred on set and me leaving Chris Lino's best. Okay. And then potentially the police report about said puppy cam at some point. This soothing continues to come up dating all the way.

way back to 2012 because in this cease and desist, I will have my attorneys file suit against you for slander and defamation of character. If you are broke now, wait until you pay an attorney $50,000 to defend your lies. You are a fraud. I've never threatened to sue him. And then he says, sue me over the truth. Like, I don't understand what's going on. It feels like projection. But it just feels like a really immature way to handle a conflict with your daughter, no matter how estranged you may be, no matter how tumultuous your relationship may be. I just, this feels like the wrong way to go about it. And it's just truly improper use of social media. While I understand there aren't rules on how you can and cannot use social media, I personally feel like this should have been handled in a more private manner.

And regardless if people want to acknowledge it or not. We were in a family business together. We were doing a show together. It doesn't matter what somebody's role on that show was. We were all participating in that show together. I wanted to handle it as business. Like this is a family issue, but also there is a business involved. I would also like to note that when you, when the audience is seeing a family like yours and is highly likable on Chris Lee knows best,

and it seems that you are the odd one out, it's easy to say, well, Lindsay is the problem. So you don't even have to know full context of any situation and what everybody else says is the truth and nobody's seeing any other way, which I can imagine would be very, very difficult for you because you're ostracized from your family in real life, but then also the audience of the show and the fan base following Christley knows best is probably also ostracizing you in some way. for sure and I I think you know there's always going to be situations where somebody likes him and somebody likes me and then somebody likes Savannah and it's like because those that one person like Savannah and Todd then they don't like me you know so I I think that that's true for any show right but I do think that there was an intent to ostracize me to some degree from the beginning back to the pilot with me just not agreeing with my dad. I don't know why that was the case.

It's fine that it was the case, was willing to be a participant on the show and do what I was brought there to do. However, this was just very disheartening because it made me look like I was something that I was not. And regardless of, you know, me seeing somebody through a separation or, getting back with my husband. Those are private matters that should have remained private

matters and weren't for the general public to know. No, because it's not up for public opinion and it should have never been handled that way. Further, if I wanted the public to know that, that's my story to tell. Correct. And I feel like you have been gracious enough for this entire episode so far to not share parts of this that should remain to the people whose story it is. Yes, it was a part of your life, but it's their full story. So a couple weeks later, we're in October of 2017 at this point. We were in the process of starting coffee convo. So you and I have already communicated. We've signed contracts. We've done all of that. And your attorney reaches out to the attorneys for Chrissley knows best to let them know that you have the opportunity to appear

on another reality TV show. I can only assume that was teen mom because the timelines add up. And so they're attempting to confirm that they're aware of the situation and that you have this opportunity. And were you under contract still with Chrisley knows best? Yes, I was still under contract with Chrisley knows best. And you and I were launching coffee convos. And I remember that there were scenes that were going to be filmed, I guess, for teen mom to discuss maybe the podcast. I can't really exactly remember what we filmed. But I do know per your producer, I had to reach out to the production company to get clearance to be able to film with MTV. For anyone listening, there is a very big emphasis placed on different talent going on

other reality shows that may or may not be a direct competitor or they have to sort of work out the details on, is this going to help or hurt ratings for the other show? So that was part of the reason if she's still under contract for Chris Lino's Best, could that help or hurt? they have to look into all the logistics and then give approval. And so that essentially terminated the contract with or no? So this is actually where the saga started of me attempting to get out of my contract with Chris Lino's best and any obligations that I had to the network or production.

What was your, what was the timeline on that contract? Like would you have been under contract for much longer? Or was it already at the end of the contract? No, it was not at the end of the contract because they had the option to send me pick up letters if they wanted to. So they technically could have to keep me under contract. They could have continued to send me pickup letters throughout the duration of the show, even if they weren't using me to hold me to my contractual obligations to the show, to the network, to the production company. And that also is not uncommon. There are loopholes in all the reality contracts to keep you

under contract for years after you even realize that you're under them so the initial email that was sent just for reference for you it's reaching out to my dad's acting agent which technically i guess was all of ours my attorney at the time says good morning i just want to reach out to you regarding miss campbell she has the opportunity and will be appearing on a television show in the middle of October. We just wanted to make you aware of the situation since you and I have been in discussions regarding the termination of her contract. Please let me know if you have any questions. I look forward to hearing from you best, Musa. Okay. So then we go to a response email that says, Musa, are you referring to the termination of her engagement agreement with my firm or the proposed

termination of her agreement with USA? On the latter, she is still under an exclusive obligation to the network. If you want to give me more information about the opportunity, perhaps I can be helpful in getting the network to allow a carve out. So what ended up being the case for that? I just filmed. You just did it. Yeah. And were there any repercussions?

No, because by the time, I'm not going to say who, but I was just told based off of potential airing dates that I would already be out of my contract by the time, whatever we filmed aired. Okay. So for you, it was worth the risk. Yeah. Okay. All right.

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contracts, the contract termination sent to you. Is that right? Yes. And one email that I found very interesting as I was combing through this stuff, their acting agent says, I'm happy to try to help, but I have yet to get a clear indication of what you're looking to accomplish. Based on our calls, I'm assuming that you're looking to get Lindsay released from her exclusivity obligations to the network and production company in exchange for executing a release of claims, confidentiality, and non-disperagement agreement. However, we need you to confirm this to me via email. Your emails have yet to give me clear direction

on what you were looking for, looking to achieve on behalf of Lindsay. If my assumptions are correct, please advise and I'm happy to engage with the production company and network to advocate on your behalf to try to help them get on board. Who's asking for a non-disperaging agreement? That was the agent at William Morris

that represented the family. So it was a, if you won out of the contract, we need this we need this in exchange why can't i just get out of my contract i did want to hit on this email though because i think it's important because of the last name things that have come up there were discussions and i don't know if these discussions happened over the phone with the acting agent at william morris and my attorney but it was said to me that i could not use the chrisley last name for any future project including our podcast including the podcast but that is your birth-given name? My attorney follows up and says, I had the opportunity to speak to Lindsay,

and we are in agreement with the terms that you described. However, Lindsay does go by the name, Lindsey Christley Campbell, and intends to continue using the name. Lindsay's name is written as Chrisley Campbell on a driver's license, marriage certificate, and all other forms of ID. I trust that this is not a problem. Other than the affirmated, we are in accord and look forward to your response with a written termination agreement. For clarity purposes, and I know that you've talked about. this before on coffee convos as well as the southern tea you never dropped chrisley at any point at any point when i got married my married last name i dropped my middle name which is broke my name that was on all documents was lindsay chrisley campbell okay it was lindsay chrisley campbell on social media

platforms until i got divorced when i filed for my divorce i filed for my divorce i filed for for a restoration of my maiden name along with my divorce filing. Was there anything said to whoever made this request that no, she's absolutely going to go by Chrissly. That is her birth given name. What other name would they have expected you to go by? A stage name. I don't know.

In an attempt to what, erase you from the family? Yes. Out of sight, out of mind. She doesn't even have our last name. I believe that that is true. Okay. Okay. So the rest of 2018 is fairly quiet. And entering 2019, you learned that Chase Chrisley, your brother, has contacted someone that you dated, Robbie Hayes, who is the bachelor that your dad was referring to for a business opportunity. At what point did Robbie let you know or how did you find out that he was being summoned for this business opportunity? And when did you learn that it was actually about? nude photos of you.

I did not learn about this until the indictment had come down. I had had the conversation with my dad. So I learned about this after the fact that TMZ had released the information of the police report that I had filed regarding the alleged sex tape. That's when Robbie reached out to me. And I gave him my attorney's information. and I had actually never received these text messages. My attorney received them and turned them over to the U.S. attorney's office. So it was never a situation of at the time that these text exchanges were going on,

was I receiving, like, in tandem this stuff. I did not know any of these communications had transpired until after Robbie reached out to me and I directed him to my attorney. Why did he reach out to you? just to let you know what was going on once he saw all of the media and the stuff that was going on I don't know I don't want to necessarily speculate but I think knowing that he had this information he wanted to provide it to my attorney and I'm glad he did we're moving right along so chase is texting Robbie you find out once sort of the news of your parents indictment

hits the news and I asked Robbie at that time because I was unaware of this. This was going on, per the text message screenshots, it was going on starting April 9th, 2019. I was not aware in April of 2019 that this was happening. But once he did reach out, I wanted to know when it started and how it started. Didn't want to accuse anybody of anything and also didn't want to go off of hearsay either. like if if this is what's transpiring then provide that information but i asked robbie please don't provide that information to me i will give you my attorney's email and phone number

and please contact him and you can provide him with that information why didn't you want it directly um i think i was already in such an emotional state that i didn't want to harm myself further than what I needed to and my attorney became such a friend to me at that time and I know that's a weird thing to say because acting in a legal capacity but I think that he saw the level of hurt that was going on and had had been going on for a long period of time I locked myself in a room for months and he was one of the only people that I communicated with and so I felt like I couldn't trust anybody, but I knew I could trust him and I wanted him to preview what was said. And he actually didn't turn these text message or any of this evidence over to me

immediately because of the mental and emotional state that I was in. Your attorney didn't. He didn't. At this point, we've been running coffee combos for a year and a half. So you're on to other business ventures, but you're in constant contact with your attorney. You don't understand why your brother is doing this to you. Has Chase, publicly denied or alluded to this not existing or this not happening? Everybody that has been involved has publicly denied that it never existed and there were never any conversations. But you have, I'm looking at the screenshots.

So it exists. And then Robbie went on the record and did an official affidavit with a statement. Is that correct? Yeah. So just for context of the. text messages on April 9th of 2019 give me a call my guy money talk when you get back in town he then says on April 10th it's better that we talk in person when can you meet up looks like it was a string of days that there were very short amount of text messages going back

and forth April 11th of 2019 what's up Friday April 12th 2019 what up April 13th. Call me ASAP. Apparently Coachella was going on at this time and they were feeling faded. He then says to Robbie, hit me when you get back. Let's talk money. Want to link up tonight. Do you smash her? Any progress on what we discussed? Okay. So at this point in the text messages, it is clear that they did in fact have a conversation about whatever the business opportunity was. And then he, Chase, when we say he, it's Chase asking Robbie, did you smash her? Meaning, did he have sex with you? Mm-hmm.

Okay. Just for context for everyone, this is spanning from April 9th, 2019, all the way to May 20th, 2019. So over a month, like roughly six weeks of Chase reaching out to Robbie to discuss this business opportunity that we eventually learn was for him to buy nudes of you from Robbie, but then publicly denies that this has ever happened. Correct. Does Chase know that there is an affidavit by Robbie? No one knows outside of my attorney, because that's where it was turned over to.

Did you and Robbie ever have conversations about why he was willing to share this information and do an affidavit? He said despite the fact that we weren't a thing anymore and had gone our separate ways, that he saw the struggle of what I was dealing with in the media once TMZ had gotten a copy of that police report that I had just filed for informational purposes only because I was instructed by my counsel to do so. When he saw that the sex tape made world news, he reached out to let me know, like, hey, this is also going on. So he essentially was just being a good person and wanted you to know and did that. in my opinion did the right thing by doing this in the same time frame there was also a tweet that was

tweeted by chase that said blood is deadly don't be jealous because you don't have shit going on and never will you have to stoop so low to sell fake stories about my about your family you joke of a human being i pity you and your pathetic excuse of a life you're one of the most treacherous human being scott has ever blew breath in you were given the world and you shit on it because you hate yourself deep down inside but karma is a bitch revenge is completely a monster and i'm coming what dog does he have in this fight where is this all coming from this is all stemming from them blaming you for the indictment and the investigate like the financial investigation like why is chase now involving himself so now we have savannah has tweeted your dad has tweeted now your brother

has tweeted. Why? Why is this the way they're choosing to handle this? What I've pieced together is my dad would have had knowledge of the tape from me filing the police report when I was still filming for Chris Lino's best. Chase was the only other member of the family that was acting on the show that had connections to the same people that I had connections to. So he visited the same places and bars that went to, he had direct contact with Robbie. And so that's the only reason why I can just assume that he would be involved. I don't know. Because just to tweet something so vile like that. And so what feels like out of left field, what would be the purpose for him to villainize you as well? Like what is the purpose here? They all want a scapegoat to you made up this whole

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promo code coffee combos. Go to livemamentus.com and use promo code coffee. coffee combos for up to 35% off your first subscription order. That's live mementous.com promo code coffee combos. What was it like for you in real time to receive tweets like this from your sibling? I just remember, again, I was in a bad place in my marriage and we were trying to figure that out and raising a little boy and just knowing that they had such public pool and they were all still on the show. It made me feel like I was voiceless and knowing that I would log on Twitter or I would log on Instagram and know that I was subjecting myself each and every day to things

that were being tweeted that there was nothing that I could do about. Would I have like something to have legally been done about it? Yes, not necessarily for them to get in trouble. That wasn't the intention, but just to stop. I think I just wanted it to stop. Like, I'm not doing any, like, just leave me alone. And it just kept continuing on and on. Robbie had provided the affidavit. It appears on August 21st of 2019. And it reads, this was directly sent to my attorney.

Chase Crisley initially contacted me on April 9th, 2019, about a money-making opportunity. He wanted to speak to me about conversations that when I texted him, asking what's up, warranted a private phone call conversation instead of simply telling me about the opportunity via text. This back and forth went on about a month, as you can see in the text, where we could not find a time to catch each other regarding the opportunity. Then on May 18th, 2019, we were finally able to get in contact to discuss this opportunity. The communication, opportunity, details, and request was via FaceTime. He went on to ask me in this conversation if I had any nude or incriminating photos of his sister, Lindsay Chris. He went on to say, in an almost

begging tight manner, he would pay me $10,000 for the images, but never why he needed them. However, I had a pretty good idea of why he wanted them if you have to ask for a new picture of your sister, nothing good. Eventually realizing he needed this so bad, he bumped his payment for the images up to $15,000. I went through the motions and played along as I would help full well knowing that Lindsay has never sent me photos as such, in my opinion, she wouldn't send these to anyone, so I would just let this whistle out. Then I got word that he may have purchased the tape that apparently exists between Lindsay and I, and it all made sense. He had been looking for this leverage through private content of his sister and attempting to use me as a possible

outlet to obtain this. Shot himself in the foot when he found what he has now, the tape, which I just happened to be involved with. Let me know if you need anything else from me at this time or if I should be getting a legal team in place in case something gets released. Cheers, Robbie Hayes. I'm assuming that Chase thought that Robbie would never come forward about any of that. Are you nervous about that? No, because those weren't my words. I was just the recipient of the behavior. So for those reasons alone, I can rest easy. At this point, when those text messages and Robbie submits his affidavit, what is the relationship with all your family? Are you having communications with Todd? No. Julie? No. Savannah? No. Chase? No.

Grayson? None of them. What about Nanny Faye? I was not even communicating with Nanny at that time. Okay. So at this point, they're just instigating and trying to get photos of you for whatever reasons they may have. But you have no communications with any of them at this point. No. I believe and people I'm sure will correct me if I'm wrong. Robbie lived in California in Venice Beach at this time. I believe that Chase and Savannah were filming for growing up Chrisley in California with Nanny at that time as well. So by June, early June 2019, your brother Kyle, do you have connected to you, are you in communications with him? No, not really. But nothing happened. It was just by. Yeah, nothing, nothing happened.

Kyle went through a divorce and ended up moving outside of Nashville. He's remarried now. She has children and, you know, our lives just kind of, he was no longer. my UPS driver. We didn't live next to each other anymore. The relationship was already somewhat surface. And so we weren't really in communication. But there wasn't any bad blood that you can think of? No. I mean, it was just... Just life. Yeah. Okay. But by early June 2019, Kyle and Nanny Fay come to Atlanta to meet up with you. Yes. What did you think that meeting was for? I personally thought the meeting was for maybe my dad was going to apologize to me for the things that had taken place that also other members of the family had brought themselves into. I mean, at this

point, they're adults, so they had choices. I believe that my initial thoughts were that could be the case. However, once I met Nanny and Kyle at the Dunkin' Donuts near my house after the request of me meeting them, I quickly realized that that wasn't going to be the case. He wasn't going to apologize. No. I wasn't quite sure what was going to take place. I could have never imagined what actually did take place, but I didn't necessarily know that it was going to be an apology, maybe an explanation of what was going on. It made sense to me. Outside of that, I didn't really have a gauge either way. And at this point in June of 2019, did you know?

know where the investigation was for your parents' financial situation? No. So you're sort of in the dark. Whatever's in the mainstream media is all you know. Yes. Okay. So when you guys meet at the Dunkin' Donuts, your nanny mentions that the family attorney for the Crisleys had received a pre-indictment letter. And Kyle asked you if you would talk to your dad. Yes. What was your answer to that? I initially was hesitant because I had not talked to him in years. So, So I left the show and moved on with my life. I didn't really know anything that was going on in their personal life. They didn't know anything that was going on in my personal life.

And I think sometimes when you go through hard things with people, whether it be like a relationship with a significant other that's now broken or a family relationship that's now broken, it's kind of like, okay, not that I healed from it, but I somewhat had healed in a way to be able to exist. Sure. And I was hesitant to reopen that door. Went against my better judgment, I can now say. And I do feel like it came out of the goodness of my heart because I loved my dad. Like, that is my dad.

And if he was in trouble and he wanted to meet with me, I was willing to honor meeting with him. But I never imagined that meeting would cause... but it cost. When you say that, what do you mean? I talked to him on a phone that Kyle had. I don't know if it was Kyle's personal cell phone. I don't know if it was a burner. I really don't know. My dad did not have contact with me over my cell phone for years. I don't even know. Maybe I'd change my number at that time. I have no idea. He asked me if I could meet him. And first, I was hesitant to even get on the phone. But when I did, he does have a pull over me, and I'm going to acknowledge that. He is my dad. You want to get along with him. You want to have a father-daughter relationship.

And I think it's the desire of most children, you know, to want to have a relationship with what you came from. And so immediately, when I heard his voice, I was like, yes, I will come and meet you halfway for me and halfway for him as Chattanooga. So I agreed to do that, but never did I imagine the conversation that took place would literally implode my whole world. I came back home and had to discuss with Will the context of the conversation. And that was not easy because the context of the conversation would have been from a time when Will and I were separated and I had had a relationship with someone else, you know. And so to bring that back into your home when you're trying to heal, that's really hard. But I knew that I needed to tell Will that

information. And through the conversation with Will, he said, maybe you should contact your attorney. There's no tape, right? And I said, I've never consented to a tape ever. But you don't know if one existed. Right. My attorney advised me to just file the informational report in my county just so that we have a record of it, because if anything did come out, I didn't want to look like I was chasing my tail like, oh, well, this happened in June and maybe now it's come out in August. And now I'm just now reporting that that conversation happened like that was my attorney's point like at least just get it on record that this happened we're not trying to get anybody in trouble you're talking about record of the conversation with your dad yes okay i thought you meant of the record of the

sex tape so we're talking about your attorney is advising you to put an informational report together about the conversation you had with your dad yes and the the context of the conversation with my dad involved the tape okay i'm tracking so you go to Chattanooga and you meet with Todd at Sugar's Room Shack? That doesn't seem like a place Todd with life very much. That's actually a place that he really loves.

Oh. I also really love it. Of course it had been here so I was driving a car that he wasn't familiar with and I get out of the car and it's kind of like the best way I can describe it is when your

kid's been away for a little while and you're just like so ready to embrace them, I felt that in my soul. But I was asked if I was wearing the wire and to lift my shirt. And then I was asked to leave my phone in the car, which is fine. I wasn't there with the intent to harm him or to set him up. I would never wear a wire for the federal government. He was the one that asked me to meet him. Where would I get the wire from? Did I just randomly meet the FBI and they wired me? So we walk in and they sit down. Before you continue, I just want to say this and I hope that you all leave this in

but like if Todd or Savannah or Julie Chase any of y'all watch this like the heartbreak of like hearing you say like you were ready to hug your dad and he was asking like you guys went with two different mindsets and it's really heartbreaking because I know what that's like you just wanted to hug your dad

not it doesn't have to be like this it's all because of TV it's all because of public perception. I don't understand. Like, I was so hesitant to even get on the phone

because I was afraid to reopen the door because I know the pool that he has on me and we can get into it at a later time in the episode. But, I mean, so much has a pool on me that I wanted to back out of doing this because of his podcast episode just because he said, I love her and she's my daughter.

And it's like if I can do that for you, why would you do what you've done to be? I don't know what your family thinks that you, how much information could you really have had to do this? I think that's where a lot of people get lost in the sauce with the narratives that have been spun, right? Like this was a financial case. I have never had and have always said I have never had. I have never had knowledge of my parents' finances. Why would I have knowledge of their tax filings? Why would I have knowledge of bank documents of loans? And further, if you did, they would have to be verified for authenticity.

Correct. But where would you have gotten them? Nowhere. There's nowhere for me to have gotten them or to have had knowledge of any of that stuff. So we chose function because it's the only health platform that gives you all the data most people never get and the insights to start doing something about it. Inside function gives you access to test over 100 plus biomarkers from hormones to toxins to markers for heart health, inflammation and stress. And for an additional fee, you guys can also

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But I also wanted to honor it because I personally felt like we're all very prideful people and egos are involved and estrangement is involved. I personally felt like my dad would have never reached out unless it was. was truly like in a time of need. And so I wanted to honor, yes, I'm not wearing a wire. And like, I can prove it. And if you don't want my phone to go in, like, that's okay. It can stay in my car. Like, I'm not here to hurt you. And you were the one who asked for this meeting. Not me. I didn't reach out to you. I haven't reached out to you in years. And so going into that, I feel like our mindsets were completely different. Once I got inside and we sat down and, of course, It was like, you know, a little bit of small talk. You haven't talked to your dad in years. It's kind of like, oh, how's that? You know, those types of things. And then he pretty much abruptly tells me I'm going to be indicted for various financial crimes. And it's not true. And he starts telling me a story as if like that's the narrative, right? You have met Josh.

with the Georgia Department of Revenue at Starbucks multiple times and had an affair with him. He's telling you this? Yeah, like as like narrating that. As if you're going to say, okay, I'm on board. Yeah. And I said, no, that's not true. And he said, no, you met him at Starbucks and you multiple times and you were having. having an affair with a federal official.

Was this his way of giving you a heads up or of what his narrative was going to be? I believe so. I don't think I thought that in the moment. I think looking back on it now, I believe that that might have been the narrative that was ran with had I been on board. But I said, that's not true. I've never met that person. Yes, have there been, you know, a phone conversation or text exchanged with that person? Yes, but have I ever met that person? No, I couldn't pick him out from anybody in this restaurant

if he walked in here. So you just knew who he was, but you never met him face to face. I never met him face to face. I don't even know what he looks like other than what the media has like put photos out of. Like I had never at that time, nothing had come out about him. So I didn't know what he even looked like. I don't even know what to say about that. So then at that point when I object that and said, no, I've never met that person. He said he went into the sex tape thing and said that Chase had the tape on a hard drive and that I should be careful. Okay. So just for clarity purposes, is it just you and Todd in this restaurant? Well, I mean, on their patrons. Oh, yeah. So you know, Nanny Fay, no Chase, no, Savannah, no, Julie, nobody. So the two of you are the only people

that know what happened at this table. Yes. He's telling you what, essentially what the story is going to be. And then in the same- And he said that they needed a bigger story. So your dad is telling you, walking you through the narrative, and you're saying, you don't know who this person is. You did not have an affair with him.

And he then tells you, but Chase has this sex tape. And he's so, he says essentially warning you that Chase has this sex tape. And if you don't go along with this story, just be aware that he has the tape and it's on a hard drive. So where did Chase then get the puppy cam? Did Todd tell you where Chase got the puppy cam? From for $5,000. And following that, the narrative has always been like, we didn't do this. We weren't aware of any of this.

We've never had a conversation of this. I have text message screenshots at the top where it starts. It says, this is all besides the point. Chase has no place in it, period. He responds. And when I say he, my death. responds and says, no, he doesn't, but she's lying about her involvement and how she lost the video.

This is a text messages between who? Me and my dad. So your dad is telling you that she claims that she lost the video. Yeah. He says, no, he doesn't. Talking about Chase doesn't have a place in it. But she's lying about her involvement and how she lost the video. And he puts, in quotes, like, lost the video.

So I respond back and say, I don't give a fuck. if it does exist, it hurts others more than it hurts me. They can be felons, not my business. He said, no, it hurts you because I can't imagine that you would work to be proud of that being out here for the world to see. And if your son and husband to see, it should have never been taped. And certainly, I nor anyone else should ever heard about it. She is trash. And so is Robbie. I said, and so is your son. So stop blaming everyone but Chase. He said, and again, you obviously refused to read what I wrote above. I said, no, it hurt you because I can't imagine that you would work and be, you would work and be proud of that being out here for the world to see and your son

and husband to see. It should have never been taped. And certainly, I nor anyone else should have ever heard about it. She is trash. And so is Robbie. Robbie's not trash. He didn't know about it either. He didn't consent to it. And he's saying what she was doing was wrong. I said, Chase's huge involvement. If you don't believe me, I'll go to Brookhaven this week and tell them I want charges taken out for what they currently have. And if he didn't do it, then maybe someone should be giving statements that he did. He said, then you should do that. I want to see his involvement. Then he says, well, this girl isn't your friend today or ever. I said, I'm not concerned with her. He said, you meant $5,000 to her, but how is Chase involved in this? I said, and who does Chase think

he is to even offer $5,000 for stuff like that is attempt to blackmail? He wasn't party to it, and it's none of his business. He responsible. and says, she offered it to him. I have the screenshots and she no longer has the video. If she says anything other than that, then she's a lie. I said, he came up to her at a bar in person and offered to buy it. He said, that's her tale. I sit on mine. You should ask her where the tape is and not tell you that she lost it and doesn't have it anymore. I don't understand why Chase is involved. None of it makes sense to me. And I'll say it again, like I would love to sit down and talk to Todd because I can't understand the logic

behind any of this. So at this point, you're with your dad and then he calls you after the meeting at the restaurant, at the rib shack. And he asks you if you have any records of being at the bank when you ran into Julie and Nanny Faye

years prior? Yes. Why would you have bank records for that? I did have it. But why would he even ask? It was said that Nanny could potentially also be in trouble. So I think they were trying to just prove that I was there at the bank at the same time, and Nanny had told me and Julie had told me that she was just being added as a signer to their account. I guess the speculation

was that they were trying to put Nanny's name on it so that they could protect the funds that were in that account at that time. So what would you being in the same place at the same time have to do with anything, just as a witness on? As a witness, yeah. Prosecutions witness or defenses witness? Okay. So you tell him that you would check your records and you had them. And I had them and I provided them. And what was the result of all of that? I just provided them. And it didn't make or break the case at all? I don't want to say yes or no because that wasn't what the whole case was about. But I think as far as Nanny's involvement was concerned, I think that it was a clear way to put a witness in the bank. outside of those two. Okay. So all of that transpired in early June of 2019. By the end of June 2019, there are texts between you and your dad threatening you with the sex tape. By July, you file a report with Cherokee County Sheriff's Office regarding the threats about the sex tape and subsequently move these communications to the FBI because Cherokee County Sheriff notifies you

that they couldn't help you. How it was explained to me was when I filed the initial report with Cherokee County, they asked for all of the people that could have been involved. It went from an informational report and they actually sent it to their investigators. Their investigators reached out to me. I went and met with said investigators and they asked for the other parties and contact information. They then started contacting the other parties that were involved. I had originally agreed when the investigators reached out to her to meet the following day to do an interview with them. The next day, when she was supposed to meet them, she had lawyered up and had an attorney contact that investigator saying that she would not do an interview. They had contacted my dad and Chase.

I don't know what the conversations were with them. But then shortly after that, I was advised to file or to contact the number for the FBI. It was the FBI hotline, like whatever the national FBI hotline. So I did that, gave them the information about the police report in my county. I had been warned by law enforcement. The FBI doesn't respond to a lot of things. So, like, you might call and give this information and they don't always follow up. So it was days after that that I get a call back from, well, it's like a no caller ID call. And it was local FBI for the Northern District of Georgia, which was also the same jurisdiction federally that my parents were indicted. So I did not know anything about the FBI if it's just like they have offices and they talk to you over the phone. I didn't know they had like local branches. I was unaware at that time that those would have been.

the same FBI agents that would have been investigating for the U.S. Attorney's Office, which ultimately led to the indictment. Do you think you got a call back because your parents were already under investigation and about to be indicted? And because this other scenario named them, they are now interested in this. Yes. Okay. With that being said, is it safe to say that yes, you talk to the FBI, but not regarding your parents' financial crimes? Correct. So when they asked him meet me, they asked me to just bring evidence of what I was reporting. They never asked me to bring any type of evidence, never even mentioned my parents' federal case at all. Okay.

Not until I got there. Did they ask me if I was aware of anything? And I said, no. So did you explain this to your dad and to Julie? Yes. I'm going to backtrack on that. There's been very few conversations that I have had with Julie. since leaving chrilo's best yes when we started talking to each other again um obviously she was

there and a participant and it was cordial she's never gone out of her way to intentionally harm me or anything like that but there there weren't conversations like that that i was having with her anytime those conversations were transpiring it was directly me and my dad and you have told your dad like these were my conversations these were my communications with the fbi and none of them involve you. Yes. Essentially. Okay, I just did a try on for Rainbow Curves.

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I love that. You guys can shop this brand at Walmart or online at BIT.L.Y slash rain social to purchase. About a month later, in August of 2019, the federal indictment for the Crisleys is filed, and there is a warrant issued for Todd's arrest. Had you had conversations with your dad surrounding this at any point? No. And I think that's a little misleading that there was. a yes, there was a warrant issued for his arrest, which would happen with anybody being federally

indicted, but he self-surrendered and turned himself into the U.S. Marshal's office in the Northern District of Georgia. Okay, so there's an email forwarded from the Department of Justice from Lindsay's attorney, from your attorney, about the sex tape filing. About a month later, September 2019, your official statement about the baseless claims that you were involved in your parents' tax, civil, and criminal cases. That's the first time you, publicly say that you had nothing to do with this? Yes. Okay. And did your parents react to that? I had spoken on the sex tape stuff prior in the media. I also believe that my Dr. Phil interview was also prior to that as well. Okay. So I had spoke on it there. This was press release by my counsel saying once again, Lindsay's so grateful for your support during this very

difficult time, despite the fact that Lindsay has nothing to do with Mr. and Miss Crisley's civil or criminal tax matters, it seems that they have made her the main focus of their attention in order to distract from their own wrongdoing. As you can see from the episode of Dr. Phil, which airs today, we have known about the allegations in the Crisley's lawsuit for some time now. They come as no surprise. We were aware somehow, Lindsay, who is repeatedly denied any knowledge of her father's crimes, would once again be dragged back into this unfortunate situation. We wish that Todd and Julie would focus on their upcoming federal criminal trial rather than using their daughter to deflect attention away from their sad situation.

Hopefully today's Dr. Phil episode and the statement will help shed light on what Lindsay has been enduring over the last few years. Lindsay's strength comes from the love and support of her husband, Will, son Jackson, Christian faith, and all her beloved fans and friends. We wish to remain distant from the situation and Lindsay's parents find themselves in. If Mr. Chrisley has truly forgiven his daughter and truly loves her as he says, we hope that he will no longer involve her in his litigation, no longer attempt to actually peer-cure. new photos and videos of her and no longer threaten her with the humiliation and cyberbullying.

That's heavy. And your siblings are just on board to ride whatever Todd says at this point. My dad's always said there's power in numbers. And even from the first estrangement dating back to 2009, when I was estranged from him, I was told not to contact. any family members, like meaning any family members in his home, which would have been the three children and also Julie. And so this has been a long pattern of events, of if I'm not in communication with you, you can't be in communication with anyone else. And if this is what I think, I'm going to make sure that they all think this too. It's definitely easier to manipulate what people say and think when you're living in the same house and well Lindsay's over there and she doesn't have

contact with any of us this is why and then you tell them one thing they don't know to believe anything else and at the time I mean 2009 through 2012 you were probably 20 years old so and what's the age gap between you and Chase and Savannah um almost 10 years and eight years okay so seven eight I mean they were young and 17 years between me and Grayson so So for as long as they can remember, you've been the problem. Based on what they were told or the little bits and pieces that they saw, you were the problem and they believe their dad. Julie raised you as one of her own children.

What has it been like? What was it like for you before? What is it like for you now? Knowing that Julie never really involved herself in any of this, but she has silently stood by and she has, with her silence, co-signed. all of these behaviors. How does that feel? It was really, really hard for me in college because she also legally adopted me. And that was a decision that I made for myself at 19. And I felt like that was the right thing to do because when you're in a blended family situation and she's there

every day, even though I was 19, it felt like, oh, well, this piece of paper will make me feel like more apart. Like, I will be more a part of this, and it feels like closure, and it feels like I'm one of them. Even though you were the first Christly child. Yes. The estrangement through college was truly the hardest, because I know that if the shoe was on the other foot and this was involving Savannah, I don't think she would have idly sat by. And two things can't be true. You can't say, I love these kids like the ones that I birthed, but then you're not talking to me because he's not talking to me. I just know as a parent, if Jackson had done something and will, for whatever reason, said, I'm not talking to him. So you don't talk to him. First of all,

don't tell me what to do. That's my son and that's my decision. And so I think that that's what hurt the most is just the lack of advocating as a mother because I don't believe that she would have done it to the daughter that she birthed. What was your relationship like with your biological mom during all this time? It's always been strained because I think a lot of times and other people can maybe relate to this. The mindset of out of sight, out of mind, she lived across the country from us. And so I was being raised in a house where my dad was there and present every day and Julie was there and present every day. And I didn't really reconnect with her until after Julie had legally adopted me. And I went through an identity crisis at that time because I felt

like, you know, my biological mom's been wiped away from my birth certificate. I made that decision. And now I'm going through this estrangement. And my dad's not talking to me. So vicariously, through that, Julie's not talking to me. I still had my biological mom, although the relationship was strained and not a normal mother-daughter relationship, it made me feel like I was questioning myself. Like, did I make the right decision? Because why is Julie not fighting for me? Like, you adopted me. And we went through all of that. And my wishes were honored. But now when the rubber hits the road and my dad and I are in another knockdown drag out, now I'm just ostracized the love is conditional and the condition is based off of his allowance

I think it's safe to say every human on this planet just wants someone to fight for them that's all we want I think that that is such a fair statement I also think it's very fear to say that kids who come from broken homes and I say that lightly because I never have have a memory of my parents being together, my biological parents. And so my experience with that is far less traumatizing than those that do have those memories of those parents, right? But both of my parents moved on so fast after the marriage that it was almost like it was collateral damage.

I felt like collateral damage during that time because he's moving on and, Julie's pregnant and they're having kids and my mom's moved on before my dad even moved on and now she's got all these stepkids and we're just kind of in the middle, you know, and I always just wanted to feel apart somewhere. You didn't feel like you were fully a part of this family over here with your dad and Julie and you didn't feel like you really belonged over here with your mom and your stepdad and eventually your mom goes on to have more kids. So you didn't really feel fully a part of either. And I will say it, and it's not the nicest thing to say, but I've said it to both my biological parents. You moved on and you had redemption children. Like if we can't have

the nuclear family over here, we'll turn around and go over here and do it. And we'll get this one right. And whoever is not a part of this nuclear family right here will be essentially ostracized, whether it was intentional or unintentional or conscious or subconscious. Yes. I will say, in defense of Julie, I think she did what she's been allowed to do. Even in my raising, she was never allowed to discipline me. And I felt like that was an odd thing because she was the one that was there every day. You know, she was doing school drop off. She was doing school pickup. She was taken to doctor's appointments. You know, she was mom. And if he was at work or whatever, if I got in trouble at school. I had to wait until my dad got home. So she could do everything involving your parenting

except for discipline you? Yeah. Would you have been receptive to her punishing you or disciplining you? Of course. And I just wanted to feel, it almost made me feel like, okay, she's good to do all of these other things, but she's not capable of doing this. And it wasn't because she wasn't capable. And I just wanted to feel like her kid. Whole. You wanted to feel like You were wholly apart. Like, she's just mom and she's, I fucked up and she's doing something about it. No, I had to wait until my dad got home. And that set you apart from your siblings because either one of them could discipline them.

Yeah. And where was Kyle in all of that? Boarding school. Okay, so over a year after you finally address your parents' indictment, you contact Nashville PD because you're being followed. What was going on at this time? I was contacted by a friend of my. brothers that lived in Nashville that had let me know that Chase had said that he and my dad were having me followed. Why? I don't know. Maybe the same reasons that they would want the other

incriminating evidence of me. I don't know. So you have no idea. No. What does Nashville PD do about you being followed? They take your report? Yeah, they took my report. And then nothing is done. The following month, December of 2020, there's an email from Lindsay to the FBI, from you to the FBI. And this email is a follow-up to a phone call earlier in the week. In December of 2020, you were expressing fear to the FBI because you were made aware that someone somewhere was going to expose and exploit you on a podcast episode and that this individual has acknowledged in stealing fear. So this person knows that they are constantly putting you in fear. So the context of that was because the FBI was already aware of the information all prior to this regarding the tape and those communications that had all already been turned over to them. And it was told to me and to my attorney per the U.S. Attorney's Office and the FBI that all the other parties had been made aware of a potential investigation that was going to go.

on regarding this tape and that there was to be no communication. They had added me to a witness list at that time as a formal protection. And it was also relayed to me that the FBI had relayed back to, I don't know if they directly talked to my dad and Chase or if it was their counsel that they talked to, but it was relayed to their camp that they were instilling fear in me. Okay. And this is all not even relating to your parents' federal charges or crimes or anything. This is beyond that unrelated to... When I found out about the initial situation, that's when I filed that initial report. Then, fast forward to 2019, had the meeting in Chattanooga. We were trying to determine if I would file a report in Chattanooga based on what was said in Chattanooga because the

restaurant was in Chattanooga or if I would file locally. My attorney just advised me to file in my county that has jurisdiction over me. And then they would let us know if it was proper venue or if it was improper venue. My county was the one that let me know, you know, you could try to take it to Nashville because that's who has jurisdiction over them. But because of all of the state lines that are involved, this is really an FBI issue. Have you ever said this to Savannah? Does she know all of the ins and outs here because it just feels like, okay, Lindsay talked to the FBI, but that could mean anything. Did you having, doing the email follow up with the FBI about being exposed and exploited on a podcast, did that go anywhere? Whatever happened with that? Yes. They had actually

followed up with me via telephone call. They actually advised me and gave me the phone numbers to the probation officer to report this information to the probation officer because it would be against their bond conditions. My dad and Julie's. They were out on bond. Okay. So Julie and Todd are, Todd and Julie are out on bond. And someone was going to expose and exploit you on a podcast, meaning Todd?

Yes. Okay. So did you end up reporting this to his probation officer? I did. You did? And what happened? I have no idea. I don't know that they ever have to follow back up with you. I just reported it and I'm assuming they maybe spoke to him about it. I don't know. Lindsay is a record keeper. She's a proceeds holder. So in me knowing you, I know that about you. And I feel like that is something that I also would want to have on the record somewhere to corroborate my story at a later time. Did you tell Todd that you did that at any point? No. I mean, was it used? Was that record? I can, that's a great point that you bring up because the only way that anyone would have gotten a copy of that report to give to the press would be the people that would have knowledge of that report.

That is not just out there public record. The investigators in my county contacted three people, Chase, my dad. They were given case numbers. and I had the case number. I was called by TMZ once this indictment came down to let me know that they had a copy of this report from my county. I did not turn it in. So out of the three people,

those other three people were the only three people, possibly an attorney for one of those three people, were the only people that would have had the case number to even be able to look up the report. You even made a report. Correct. So did your dad then find out? that there was a report made? Yes, because the investigators called to let them know. I mean,

they're investigating it. So that's how he became aware. It wasn't a secret. Like, I filed the informational report. I gave the investigators, the phone numbers of the people that they needed to contact because I wanted to get to the bottom of it. Like, who has this? If it exists, somebody needs to be accountable for it. You only made an informational report about the sex tape. Take part of the conversation? Yes. So that's the report after the indictment came down that was leaped to TMZ. It was roughly around 4 a.m. Eastern Standard Time that I had gotten a call coming from TMZ.

Why'd they have to call you so early? I have no idea why they called me that early, but scared the shit out of me and let me know that they had a copy of that police report. That is not public record for anybody to be able to pull. There is no database for them to go and do that. just randomly start typing in Chrysley and find out that information, right? They would have had to have had a case number and done an open records request to be able to get a copy of that police report. The only people that knew about that police report were the people that were involved that I listed. So one of those three people were the ones that turned it over to TMZ.

Because obviously that's not information that you want to get out. Absolutely not. The letter used in the most recent trailer from Lindsay to the FBI. This is the infamous letter that your entire family references, constantly references, in regards to you and your involvement with your parents' financial crimes. What does the letter say? Good afternoon. I hope you had a wonderful Christmas. However, another holiday goes by, and I'm still a victim of Todd Crisley's harassment.

I did, as you all directed, spoke to Kimberly in Nashville, who reported to her supervisor in Atlanta, Officer Crawford, whom I left too much. messages for prior and never got a return call. She informed me that she was going to be contacting Todd on his behavior and would be speaking to her supervisor who reports to the court. I told Officer Crawford my concerns with her contacting Todd rather than going through his, rather than going through the legal system, for there to be in order for him to stop. And my concerns were confirmed on his podcast released on Wednesday, December 23rd, 2020. Again, I will reiterate, this has absolutely zero to do with his freedom of speech. This has to do with the fact that I was informed last August,

that he was made aware that he was not to be speaking to me and harassing me, and I deal with this on a weekly basis. This is all due to the fact that he is under federal indictment. I am told he and Chase are having me followed, and now he's claiming that he wants charges taking out against me for filing a false police report. I have never filed any false police report. This is a direct attempt by himself and his legal counsel to silence me. He attempts to create conspiracy theories around his current situation and it's old and tired. The government might be standing by to allow him to continue. However, I'm a human being that has experienced extreme amount of emotional stress and financial stress because of this. I am again requesting,

as I have before, and as I have through his probation officer, that Dodges calls for there to be an injunction or protection order issued through his federal case. I'm starting to wonder if she takes her job seriously or she's biased or what's actually going on. I've remained silent on this matter and hopes that going about it the right way would work itself out. I will not continue to be silent and spread and plan to shed light on what I've been subjected to as far as this case is concerned. I'm in no way or shape or form involved with this monster. I ask you to simply have protection through the courts and stop him from weekly harassment until his case is heard and justice is served. I would like opportunity to present the factual information at the judge on this case through the clerk of court and for her to not tell me no.

I'm a human being who should not have to be a victim of this kind of behavior, especially when this individual is out on bond with no end in sight. It gives you zero hope in the system and provides. And this proves that with little money and power, you can get away with anything. So you were just asking to be protected from whatever your family, specifically your dad was saying? Because there was so many delays in the federal case, like this drug on for such a long period of time. And the harassment was continuing. And the harassment was because they were under indictment. So I knew that if this case was heard and whatever justice needed to be served, whether

they were found not guilty or found guilty that they would at least be an end to it. So that letter. But this was the infamous letter of me being involved in the FBI. Yeah. You were just asking for protection. Yes. From harassment and also because you wanted to get to the bottom of the sex tape scandal. Yes. That letter was on the screen of the Lifetime Show back to reality. It was eight episodes and I was mentioned in all of episode. three to my knowledge. And then again, and I guess their season finale. And I just don't understand why. Why do it? Because I was truly willing, regardless of all of these things that have transpired, right? I was happy when my parents got out of prison. Like, I found out

through your book club that my parents were pardoned. I was happy. We don't have to talk about each other, right? Like, we don't have to, I'm not bothering you. You're regurgitating things for a narrative that's trying to be spun that's just factually untrue. And to do an entire episode on me to have me mentioned again in the season finale. And number one, I'm not being paid for this. And at the end of the day, if anybody wants to rebuttal and say, well, why? Why? is it about payment they were paid? Why are you using me for a storyline on a show that I'm not involved in? You don't get to defend yourself. I don't get to defend myself. It's a one-sided narrative, which is what led us here. I tried to process this privately ahead of this show airing.

I tried to get in contact with my dad through my nanny, just to speak as adults. That wasn't honored. I feel numb. It's like how much more can one person take? So when you are will say doom scrolling on TikTok. I was doom scrolling yesterday and I came across your dad on a podcast. And on the podcast, he says that, you know, to his knowledge, you are an exceptional mother and he loves you and you're his daughter. But you know all these things have happened and have led to this point. What do your heart and your head say when you're hearing him say one thing on a podcast, but actions speak louder than words. I mean, I will repeat what I was kind of getting into a little bit ago that my dad has a

pull on me that I don't understand. I love him because he's my dad. I don't like the actions that have been done, but clearly over many years that we've gone through, I have been on a yo-yo of this has been done. and I came back and that was done and I came back and you got indicted and I involved myself with you and that was even after the sex tape which I feel like is one of the most egregious like things that anybody could do to anybody that's such a violation in many different ways. When I saw the video that you're talking about when I was doom scrolling on TikTok,

talk. It made me second guess doing this. And I think that was the intent. Like you just have an unconditional loyalty to your dad, I feel. Like you just want to have relationship with him. You love him. Don't want to do wrong by him. And I think that's very clear. It's evident to people who listen to your podcast. It's evident to the people that know you. And I just wish that he could see that so that maybe he could take a step back and say, maybe Lindsay didn't do this. think that he really believes that you were involved, or do you think that you were an easy scapegoat? Or can both be true? I think both can be true. I could not even begin to imagine what it would, I know what it feels like for your dad to come after you on Twitter and podcast

and various forms of social media and do these interviews and press and all of this stuff, but I can't imagine the pressure that would be there if you're under a state. investigation, a federal investigation involving the federal government. Like, I can't imagine the fear that was in that. So a lot of times, I believe that when people are in fear situations, they can cock things, you know, in their mind to try to make sense of what's going on. And maybe that was a part of what happened. Like maybe during that time of fear, he's like, well, Lindsay is in communication with the FBI, not really having full context or clarity on what you're in communication with them for. And I think that's the thing that hurts so bad because they know what

the letter said and they know the actions that have been done. And it was still used to perpetuate a narrative that is just completely untrue. And I, it's really sad to say, but I could forgive it. If it, if you had two years that you spent time in prison, You should have had two years to think about all the things that were done and you're still allowing this stuff to go on and you're not doing anything to stop it. So you're as guilty as the other people that are involved, whether it was spearheaded by somebody else or you. And that I think is not fair and it's a misrepresentation of who you are and it's perpetuating essentially the harassment that you have received, the backlash that you've received. You've spent two years in prison and Savannah

has spent all this time fighting and doing whatever she's doing politically and I get it, but that should have been enough for eight episodes instead of using me and then not giving me an opportunity to speak and share what I have because just like they can flash up something that I'm not ashamed of. I'm not ashamed of that letter at all. And you shouldn't be. I'm not sorry for that letter. Thank you so much for listening to Part 2 of the three-part crossover event.

I so appreciate you all. Watch part three on patreon.com slash keel Lowry tomorrow or listen to the Southern Tea podcast on Wednesday wherever you get your pods. Is this thing on? I'm Caitlin Bristow,

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