Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Not Keeping Up With The Joneses

Episode Date: August 21, 2025

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I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Crissly. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Good morning and welcome back to another episode of Coffee Convo's podcast. Hi, Kitty Kristen. Hi, it's me again. I'm back again. It's not Kail.

I'm very sorry for that. I know that everybody loves the two of y'all together. Kail is recovering. Hopefully she will be back like the next episode after Labor Day. After Labor Day. I am not going to be laboring on Labor Day. You know what? Neither am I.

I was supposed to go on vacation. Oh, we're not going on vacation anymore. not going on vacation. I'm still going to take my time to, like, get stuff done. I'm not going on vacation anymore because the people we were supposed to go with backed out. We had a four-bedroom condo. Didn't really feel like it made sense to spend that kind of money and I got it on special. So when I tried to downgrade and it wasn't on special, there was a lot of money. So, you know, just...

You know, I really hate when somebody throws a fucking wrench in my plans. We know you do. I'm just trying to let it roll because there's like nothing I could. You know what I mean? It's one of those things. There's nothing I can do about it. So I'm just trying to let it roll. So needless to say, hopefully the weather is nice in Pennsylvania and I will be not laboring in my pool. So I think I have decided. And when I say I have decided, I have decided that I'm going to do my first cabin weekend on Labor Day weekend. I've been looking at cabins for like the past two days trying to find the one that like really strikes my fancy and fits the aesthetic that I'm looking for. Okay. I think it's so funny because I always do this like every fall. And I'm like, you know what? For the start of college football, I really want to be in a cabin with a crock pot,

making a bowl of chili, sitting in a hot tub that's not mine, which, by the way, I have a funny story to tell you about a hot tub. Oh, great. So not only did the panel get damaged whenever it was being delivered and we still have yet to hear from the company about when they're coming out to replace it, don't understand, whatever. Not that big of a deal because it's not like a structural issue. I didn't use the hot tub for like over a week. So when I get out of this hot tub, I throw some bleach down in there. And I'm like, or chlorine, like whatever you call it. And I'm like, oh, it'll be good. Put the lid on it,

go about my fucking business for, I don't know, eight days. Go down there to take the cover off. And it looks like a swamp. You have algae. So this is why we can't have nice things. Are we living the same life? Because we didn't use the pool for a week, like from the weekend and then the week. And Corey went out there on Saturday to make sure everything was good to go for Sunday. And we had algae.

And maybe other people are thinking, like I am, I'm thinking to myself, okay, nobody's going to be in it unless I'm in it. So I put chlorine in it whenever I got out and made sure the levels were good and everything. And no bodies have been in it and it has been covered. So my thought process was, oh, it will be great whenever I opened this up and ready to go. Right. I hear the logic because I could not understand the whole, like, how do we have algae all of a sudden? Nobody was in it. Mm-hmm.

But that's the world of chemical. balance. And that's why I didn't pass chemistry. You know what? I had a really, really hard time with chemistry as well. Don't really know how I passed it. And quite literally, I passed it without going to summer school. Did you ever have to go to summer school in high school? I actually never had to go to summer school ever. Why were you just like smart? I was like didn't need to study smart up until high school. And then in high school, I had to start studying. Like I was average if I didn't study, but I didn't like that so I would try to study as much as I could but like subjects like chemistry chemistry is why I am not a doctor right now that is literally why I wanted to be an OBGYN since I was six years old that's all I would tell everybody wanted to do it's always like one class that fucks everybody up because that was will in college he couldn't pass accounting to save his life wait but doesn't do sales now yeah and I saw in his office that he has like a TI 83 calculator still, and I'm pretty sure it's the one that

he used in college. And I'm like, well, that didn't help you then. So I'm not sure how it's going to help you now. No. And my business school, a prerequisite to be able to enroll in business classes were to pass two accounting classes. Will couldn't pass those accounting classes to save his life. that's what ended up making me go the business route instead of social work. Because you know that I was a social work major before I was a business major. You told me about that. And then I was thinking, but how did you then switch to just like to business? I was confused. I actually loved my social work classes. But I think the more social work classes that I took, which I'm glad those still counted as like electives for me in business school. But the more I got into those classes,

the more I realized, like, I was not cut out to do that kind of work because, like, my heart couldn't stomach some of the stuff that I knew that I would see. So I'm like, you know what? I think I would be better suited to look at a spreadsheet in numbers. Which it's actually weird how your brain pivots, right? Like, you have your plans and then you find yourself doing something completely different. I wonder how many people that's truly happened to because I know a ton of people that have degrees in one thing and they don't use them.

They work completely somewhere else. So I one time saw an argument online. And I can't remember if it was like in one of the collective podcast Facebook groups or if it was just something that somebody that like I am friends with on Facebook posted it. But it was like I would not encourage my kid to go to college with an undeclared major. Yeah. Would you see that? We briefly talked about it before on coffee convos about, like, would you send your kid to school if they were going undeclared? Mm-hmm. I mean, I think it's very important to start having conversations with your kids, like, early on.

I think it's funny when you see the little back-to-school boards and stuff, how from year to year the kid wants to do something different. Yeah. But I feel like the intentional conversations need to start happening about ninth grade, like really zoning in on what your interest are. Like, do you want to go into a trade? Do you want to do a four-year college? Do you want to do a two-year college? Like, I do think that those conversations are very important because college is very expensive. Luckily, for me, I went on full academic scholarship. So I didn't have to pay anything to go to school unless I didn't keep the scholarship than I would

have had to. But luckily, I was able to do that. But back to the conversation about summer school, I went to summer school for three summers in a row. No fucking way. Yes, way. What class did it to you? History. All three times. History, all three times.

Oh, wow. And I was like, you know what? I don't know if it's just like a lack of interest. Some of it was I couldn't read a map. Like, I remember one time that I was sitting in class and my history teacher pointed to fucking Asia on a globe and I said it was Canada and I was like immediately immediately I just failed you know geography was not good for me it's still not good for me right like I am out here telling everyone they need passports to go places that they don't need passports for and

vice versa but my history like history I'm trying to think like I feel like we stopped dealing with the geography of it all in like it was just like a very very minor part compared to the actual like historical facts and information about what occurred during what time period in probably ninth or tenth grade. It was definitely 10th grade. That's when I started going to summer school. But so you had geography the whole time? I feel like there were geography aspects in like every history class. We kind of stopped. Like ours stopped at one point and it became over. Maybe it's just because I took it twice a year. I loved history. Like when I went to college, I literally, like, I also love politics, which is shocking to a lot of people,

but I majored in political science and had, I double minored. Oh, well, then here's the real kicker about summer school. So I think my parents were like, oh, yeah, this is going to be a real punishment for her. Number one, I went to private high school. So my classes were college preparatory classes. They were very difficult. I was put into summer school. that the private school doesn't host summer school. So you have to go to a public school, like a public high school to do the classes. Those were a breeze. And honestly, those teachers were so much nicer.

You're like, can you switch my school? Yeah. And the kids there were so much nicer. So I was like, yeah, like I really like this vibe. So I would have to leave summer school, go home and change and then go to my dad's office. where I met my first boyfriend. He was my dad's intern. So it really ended up working out for me.

Yeah, I was going to say, I don't really feel like it did like what they were hoping that it did for you. Yeah, it really just, like, fit the vibe check, you know? Mm-hmm. You're like, mm-hmm. I'm saying all of that to say, I feel like Jackson's really going to follow in my footsteps because when I went on his grades the other day,

I realized that he had failed a map quiz for the Northwest. Yep. And you said, it's me. I did. And I immediately called Will and I said, hey, any person that got below a 70 on this is allowed to retake and they can retake it at home or at school. You need to talk to him about maps because we both know. I cannot do that. And do you know what Jackson told me? I don't need to know how to navigate the Northwest. You know what? We have GPS for. a reason. Right. But I do think that they're like important skills that, you know, in the event that you were in bum fuck nowhere and your service just goes to complete shit, not that we would probably

have a map in our car. Remember like old people that used to like carry maps in the little back pocket of the car? My mother has a freaking map in her vehicle. And my parents when I went away to school made me take a map knowing damn well that I did not know how to read that thing. Could you imagine us just like with that map just like spread out across our car? I'd probably have the shit upside down. Lindsay, I know you and I are always talking about making healthier switches for our households, especially when it comes to cleaning products. So many people don't think about what you're actually cleaning with in your home.

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you're going to go on? Well, okay. So first of all, we need to do a geography quiz, not you and I, because I'm for both peeling but kale's good at geography so i'm i'm noting that down for myself to put together a geography quiz pop quiz for when she comes back she's going to have no idea well what what are we going to be asked like are we going to you know talk about i'm going to like give you the shapes of like states and continents and countries and you're going to name them and i'm going to ask questions too oh fuck no i already failed

into a summer school session. Like, absolutely not, Kristen. Like, I ask some pretty dumb shit when it comes to geography. Like, when I think about, I know where I am. Like, I know my tri-state area. And then I'm like, okay, I know where Texas is. I know where Florida is. I know where California is.

Everything else, mish-mosh. When I was going to Arizona, It was not where I thought it was. It's not where I thought it was at all. I remember that time that I was like, we should just all be on the same time zone? Yep. I do remember that. I remember when I got to Arizona the first time I went and we rented a car, they kept telling me at the counter,

they're like, just make sure that you don't take our car to Mexico. And I was, I looked at Corie dead in the face and I said, that would be a really far drive. Like, why would I drive this thing to Mexico? When he just looked at me, like, you are the dumbest bitch I know. That's honestly something that I would say. And I remember one time, kind of feel like we were in Nevada, maybe. And they said the same thing. Like, we weren't allowed to take it to Mexico.

And I was like, Mexico is so far. Like, go is so far. Evidently. It absolutely was fucking not. And then the guy at the counter was explaining to me how a lot of their, like, you know, SUVs get taken to Mexico and get used for like the cartel and they find them with like bullet holes and stuff in them tinted like all kinds of shit and they have to like go rescue their car and I just was I was this is a great story like I was listening to him very intently but I was

still not tracking the whole Mexico thing until I literally Googled where is Mexico in comparison to Arizona and it's definitely drivable um could you imagine us like accidentally going to Mexico and just like being a part of the cartel. Like, we had the SUV, so I really was ready to go. I had the SUV. I could have rolled up and been like, hi. Do you know what that's giving? It's giving that show weeds.

Weeds. Right? Wouldn't that be us? Did you imagine? I could. I am literally just unwell. Outside of that, over the weekend, I feel like I did the disconnect that I needed to do until I reconnected

on Monday and realized that it wasn't long enough. I think that about every single weekend of my life. I also, I have to ask you a question. I'm asking this of everyone, but including you. When you're at work, like you're using like, for me, I'm like, I talk about it in two different brains. Like, work me is one brain. Life me is another brain. Sometimes, come together when needed, sometimes they stay separated. If I get asked anything about work on like a not working time, I go immediately into my work brain and then I can't get it to shut back off again. So then I ended up, I end up just working during time where I should just be downtime. And I don't know how to stop that from happening. So if anybody has any tips, I could really use them.

But like, does that happen to you at all? It's interesting that you say that because I was having almost an exact conversation with the lady that I met when I was in the jury pool room, like with all the people. And she was a speech therapist or something for a local county. And she was talking about how she was going to miss a week of work if she got selected for the jury, right? And she said, you know, I already have like this backlog of stuff. And so I found myself preparing for this week where I really don't have a disconnect from work. It's like I see an email come through my phone and I know, okay, I need to respond to that because I was waiting to get that. And then I just end up working for hours. I personally, I feel like I go

back and forth with it and you know that. Like I will be having conversations about work all throughout the day, sometimes throughout the night. And then there's sometimes where I find that focus mode and nobody will hear from me. Yeah, like you go ghost. And I get it. Like, that's why I'm never offended by it at all, because that's the same thing for me. Like, if I don't put my phone on focus and I hear from anybody that has anything to do with some type of work thing, request, idea, whatever, it's so hard for me to not then take that. And then my week, if it's like on a weekend, my weekend's shot at that point. And it was really taking a toll on my personal life because the people in my personal life don't want work me. right like most of the time they do not want work me and they want personal me and it was getting

eaten you know for a while by work me and it sounds so dumb like i'm obviously one individual but i can't be the only one that goes through this there's no way well it's like yesterday i told you that i was preparing dinner and that like basically goodbye yeah and then you start going into scheduling for stuff and call me and you're like, hey, is it okay if we talk about this? And I'm like, yeah, it's fine. Like I'm just drinking a white call. It's not that big a video. Yeah. But like when we got done that conversation, were you then able? Yes. Go back to like just like whatever mode you were in before I was talking to. Yes. See, for me, I worked until after that. No. No. I can't do that. I read a little bit last night.

Oh, I loved. What are we reading? Right now. So I'm trying to figure out a completely different life because now that I have a middle schooler, his school doesn't start until nine. So it kind of like shifted everything in my schedule because of that. And so I have found that I have time on Fridays because I don't have a workout class until 10 a.m. if his school drop off time, I normally try to get him there between like 815 and 835. So he has like a little bit of extra time to kind of settle down.

But then Target's right across the street from Pilates. So I find myself strolling around in Target and I'm like smelling all the candles and all the stuff. And I'm like, you know what? I finished the Idaho Four. So now I need a new book. So I got it starts with us Colleen Hoover. And I read like 11, yeah, 11 chapters just throughout the weekend. I mean, I didn't spend a ton of time reading, but just on and off.

I rode the bike for, like at the gym, like the stationary bike for like 14 miles this weekend. And so I just like read while I was doing that. Holy shit. First of all, Kail's going to be so proud of you for reading. And like, here's that. This is now another book you're reading. reading. She's also going to tell you to get on good reads. I know. You told me that too. Yeah, because I know she's going to say, you need to get on good reads. That's because she wants to track what

you're reading. He's like, let me see what she's doing. Yeah. I don't have to ask. Then you review the books and then she'll like, be like, oh, well, you gave this book X stars. Like, why did you give it X stars? I gave it this many stars. So you went to go and see the movie. No, you went to the screener for It Ends With Us. Yeah. I went with Kail when she had Colleen on Barely Famous, so we went to go see It Ends With Us. I had not read the book at all and was not prepared. Kail gave me zero prep as to like what the premise of the book or movie was about. So by the cover, I thought it was like a romance scenario. I am in this movie bawling my eyes out. like kale and I are crying and there's all these like editors there like literally like getting their

shit together to write about this movie yeah yeah and I are just in the back corner crying I was not ready so I bought the book I haven't read it yet because I want to see how like the movie compared to the book I know that there were some differences I didn't read the book I just wanted to go and see the movie but because I loved the movie so much I immediately when and got the sequel to start reading as my next read. And it talks about on the back cover, I just think it's so funny that like book talk has become such a big thing. Because it says that this sequel to book talk phenomenon,

it ends with us, stands on its own a portrait of the dynamic, the dynamics of domestic violence. And it kind of bounces back and forth like it'll be a lily chapter and then it'll be an Atlas chapter. And it's like their perspective, like what's going on. I like that concept.

I not to rehash the end of the stuff, but I just don't feel like it was promoted by the majority of the cast in a way to shed light on domestic violence. So that really did. It shocked me because I wasn't prepared for it in the movie, but then it turned around and it shocked me even more when I was watching all the press and stuff about the movie,

and that wasn't really being discussed. Um, and then when I found out through Kale interviewing Colleen Hoover that it was also taken from events that she had experienced, I was like, you would think that like that would have been more part of it. I know, you know, Justin Baldani was promoting it that way. But I just, it's so sad. And I want to tread lightly whenever I say this. I think a lot of people have probably experienced. domestic violence or some type of domestic abuse relationally. And a lot of people who do that use it as a control mechanism because they don't feel like they have enough control of the person. And the situation with it ends with us, the sad reality of that was she was being abused and then got pregnant and now has to have. the reminder for the rest of her life and attempts to be co-parenting with this person that did

such horrible things. And it talks about in this book, um, of her allowing him to have time with the daughter and the fears that she has because of the experience that she had with him, the fear she has for her daughter. And it's just so sad. And you know that that situation resonates with so many people. Yeah. Yeah. I think it touches home for a lot of people. And I just couldn't imagine being in a situation where domestic violence is present

and then having a child with that person and then co-parenting with that person until that child is grown. Like the level of fear and anxieties that I would have if that was my situation. Yeah. I think that's really, really common. I don't know how I, for myself, I'm like, I don't know if I could do that. I don't think anybody would ever sign up for it, but I can't imagine having to actually do it. And I think, too, like, you and I have had a lot of conversations recently that co-parenting is not just until 18. I know that's the saying, like, oh, you're going to be in each other's lives until they're 18. No, you're going to be in each other's lives until one of you dies. Lindsay, you and I were talking over the weekend about just skincare and making sure we're taking care of ourselves, and we spend a lot of time caring for the skin in our face, but so many people forget about your neck. And with summer in full swing, your neck and chest are more exposed than ever. So whether you're rocking sun dresses, swimsuits, or strappy tops, your neck

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go-pure with code coffee at checkout. Just head to gopurebeautcom. Use code coffee and you're all set. And after you buy, please do us a favor when they ask you where you heard about gopure. Tell them it was from our show. Speaking of co-parenting, um, co-parenting can also impact your life so much being with someone else that is also co-parenting. Like, I think people don't look at the, the big picture of that. It's like you, either you were with the person and you weren't married and you go your separate ways or you were with the person, you were married, you have this customer.

the arrangement, someone else comes into the picture, and then it's a whole other scenario now. And co-parenting is regularly used as a form of control for someone who is unwilling to let the control go. Yeah. Have you ever, like, known someone that they hate somebody, but, like, they don't want them to be happy either? Oh, yeah. Like, they hate somebody and they don't want them.

but they just don't want them to be with someone else. Yeah, they don't want them to have somebody else. I think that's very common in, like, more juvenile relationships, but I definitely see it play out in adults, too. I've seen it play out in a situation close to me. And I'm just like, sis, go on. Yeah. Coburn is not, does not seem like a good time.

I wouldn't say it's a good time, but I think it can be done in a very healthy way. Yeah, like I think it's possible, right? but like when you actually peel it all back, it still sucks. There's no, nobody wins. Yep. In my opinion, nobody wins when you end up having a co-parent. You can make the best of your situation and you can make it healthy and make it as easy as possible. But it's still not something I think that anybody would like voluntarily sign up for.

Well, I don't think anybody, and I've said this before, if your situation was marriage and you all had children and then you get divorced and now you're co-parent. I don't think the average person, and if the average person does do this, I'm afraid of humanity. I don't think the average person gets into a marriage with like ill intentions of being like, oh yeah, I'm going to do this, but it's definitely going to end. Yeah, I would agree. Average person, no, some people. I mean, are there outliers? I believe, yes, there's definitely outliers. I know of one who saw a financial situation. and definitely thought that she was going to prey on that financial situation for the rest of forever.

That is so common anymore, which is so disgusting, that people prey on financial situations and they prey on people who have been traumatized in the past or abused in the past or whatever the case may be. And they make it seem so good that like the wool is so pulled over. their eyes. It's almost like, okay, if you have a bad personal life, like whether it be with like family or let's say like parents or siblings or an ex or whatever. And then someone else comes into the fold and finds those things out about you. Right. And the presentation is more so a situation of well at least i'm not that like i don't have to be really that good i just

have to be better than that sometimes not even better but different right i have to be different presenting different and it's crazy it's so funny you say this because we had a listener topic come in about something sort of similar and i'll we'll connect the dots after um someone posted this in the Facebook group. And they said, this is a long one, but I need help. I'm a 26-year-old female. I've been in and out of a relationship for the past two years, and I'm struggling to move forward. One of my best friends introduced me to this guy in the city we live in, and in the beginning, the first four to five months, everything felt perfect. Then red flag started showing. He once sent a really nasty message to one of my friends, saying things like, I'd never be her

friend long term and calling her names. He also pressured me to share every detail of my past relationships, and when I wanted to keep some things private, he accused me of lying. Over time, things escalated and he left hurtful messages to at least two of my close friends. That pushed me to break up with him, but my feelings for him never fully went away. The truth is, when we're together, it feels romantic, electric, and right. But at the same time, I can't ignore that a lot of people in our city seem to have issues with him. He often falls out with his friend groups and the way he talks about others and sometimes himself

leaves me unsettled. My family and friends really dislike him. he has a kind heart and struggles with mental health and autism, which makes me feel like maybe he's just misunderstood. But I'm also questioning if I'm just seeing him through rose-colored glasses because of how well he treats me when it's just us. I don't know how to let go, even though I feel like I should. Has anyone else been in a situation like this where your heart says one thing, but everyone else, friends, family, red flags say another and how did you move forward? Okay, are we giving like personal experience on this? I think, I mean, I think yes. I have

I have been in a situation like that, and unfortunately, that is called love bombing. When everything feels good, when y'all are together and it's just you, that's for a reason. Like, that is unfortunately for a reason. And I can totally hear the thoughts and opinions of other people when they're like, well, how could you miss this? How could you negate this factor and this factor and this factor? And it's like, you do have rose-colored glasses on. You are gaslit. You're my Mind is not working the way a functional mind should. There's so many different scenarios. But I think that do I say, okay, if you have like your core group of friends and your

core group of friends are having the same concerns, okay? And I'm not even talking about that they're discussing them with each other. Right. But they have the same concerns and they're seeing red flags all over the place. At 31 years old, I'm saying, maybe don't carte blanche believe them, but hear them out. Hear them out and try to be receptive, but I know in a situation when you're in a relationship like this, one, getting together with said friends, probably a problem, right? That's probably not going to happen.

Two, hearing something that you don't want to hear, very difficult. Hearing something that is going against literally what your mind was trained to do by another individual, extremely difficult. But if you trust these people, if these are people who have never had anything besides your best interest at heart, more than likely they're seeing something that you're not seeing. I can tell you I've also had this experience on three different occasions. And I will also say navigating relationships with red flags and having an ex-spouse involved is also like another, another layer, like not that the ex-spouse's opinion means more than what your friend group does that you hang out with all the time, but also that's the person

that you co-parent with, right? And so you have to be very careful about that too. I can say, and I'm not going to give the order, there was one situation that I was in that was a very, very toxic, back and forth, sneaky situation for a period of time. And I never want to live that way again and committed to myself. I would not live that way again because, number one, you feel like you're lying to yourself and your friendships really don't mean anything anyway at that point because you're lying to them so that you can live both of these lives, right chances are if collectively your friend group is coming to you and to your point have always

had your back and never had a reason to just like make something up to be making something up that should be your sign had I what is what does my nanny say heed the warning yeah yeah like heed the warning um another situation that i had um everything was like great and good until it wasn't and then all the red flag started showing almost at one time it was almost like a domino effect like once the first one came it was just that was it and then if you have really strong opinionated friends. They will say, we will hang out with you. You just can't hang out with us while you're hanging out with that person because we don't believe that person has good intentions. And I love a friend like that that, you know, you never have to worry like if we're

hanging out where you stand with that person. Well, I think it's also too, like sometimes you could be in situations where you feel like you can't say anything, right? Like as a friend, I think everyone has been there. I pay attention when people that I consider and value in my life, when they start moving different, dependent on what's going on in my life. Because sometimes it's a situation where you have to move different so you don't say something. I agree with that. Also want to touch on relationships alienating you from your friendships. Yeah, that's a bad one. Um, love bombing is a real thing. And I do think that sometimes you can find yourself in situations to where someone wants all parts of you.

And the only way they can get all parts of you is to cut out any other noise that's getting any parts of you. Yeah. And that is a scary place to be because the alienation leads to loneliness, um, and dependency. because when they have successfully alienated you so far from doing anything that you once ever knew to only doing things with them, then you have built a dependency on that person to where you don't feel comfortable to go back to what you once knew. Agreed. And it's a problem because a lot of people, and this is no shade by any means, but a lot of people, if they start sensing that they're being alienated from someone,

the typical response is going to be like a, ooh, like I'm feeling rejected. So now I'm going to alienate myself from you. So it's kind of like a twofold issue. So then you're losing people, you're getting rid of and losing people to the point where, you know, the goal of a red flag individual would be to have you have nobody left because then who's going to like tell you that something's wrong, right? Like then they really have you kind of hook, line and sinker at that point. Well, I think that that's when love bombing goes into effect.

I think that's when gaslighting starts taking place, alienation. If no one's around you, no one else can have any other opinion, right? So you're only listening to that one person. And it's always easier to see things from an outside unemotional perspective, right? like that's i like and this is like it has to be people that i trust right who will if it's like new people that might be saying something i wouldn't necessarily i would really take that with a grain of salt but like people who know you and know your patterns and know how you are in all various facets of your life see you changing or see things happening that shouldn't be happening

or never have happened before, it's easier for them to see it because there's no emotional tie there. Yeah, they care about you, but they're able to see it not through rose-colored glasses. That's why I hate when people are like, oh, well, how did that person not see, blah, blah, blah, and it's like, well, because it's hard when you're like literally just blinded by whether it's your wants, your desires, your love, like, whatever it may be, you can get blinded by a ton of things. And I think it's a real thing that people get in habits of, I wouldn't, necessarily say like lying to their friends, but more so when they're in a relationship with somebody who's doing these things, it's almost like they cut their friends off and keep them

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What with me? With not just you, but like people in general. And I have like a very, um, I pick up on patterns very easily. Like I really, really do. I've done it since I was very little. It's like a trauma response that I developed. So it didn't come out anything good. I can definitely attest to that. But it is very easy. The slightest shift in someone, their tonality, I can tell something's wrong. A micro expression, I can tell something's wrong. So it's very easy for me to know

when some shit is off. Typically, I'm the individual that is, I would say one of the first to get like pushed back because it's like I typically will call it out. I will literally say like this is concerning. Like there's a difference between getting into a relationship and finding y'all's normal like in a relationship and then like red flags and things that are not good. So like I'm so used to it that I don't really take offense like I used to when I was younger. When I was younger, I would get really pissed off and really offended because I'm like, why are you lying to me? Why are you this? why are you that? And it's like, okay, well, it doesn't actually really have anything to do with me. It has everything to do with like what I say, what I'm able to see. That's maybe some other

people won't comment on, won't pay attention to, just shit like that. I feel like anytime that, and it wasn't like me trying to be shady in my relationships, but just like any time that you thought I was like back with someone, you immediately were like, so what have you been doing? Yeah. Well, I got this from my mom. I very rarely ask questions that I don't already know the answer to. Remember that one time? I forgot to turn my location off. Yeah, for weeks. And then you were like, yeah, I'm not doing such and such a thing. I'm doing this. I'm doing this or whatever. And I would literally pop up the location because I would just know. And I would go and I would look at it and I'd be like, mm-hmm. And I, but I didn't say anything. I didn't. It's not like a

I know that it's that person's address. Yeah. I didn't call it out. I didn't like come to you and like berate you. Like that's not it's a, you know, I just was like, okay, something's off, went and checked. It was like, hmm, spiky senses were tingling and they were correct. I think that it's like fair to say until, and you and I just had this conversation not too long before we started recording that until you're done with a situation. And some people, some people are like very much cold turkeys, right? Like they can just like end it and then move on. It's like, that person is completely, you go back to, you once were a stranger and now you just became a stranger again. Some people can truly do that. I have a really hard time doing that. We talk about recycling a lot, you and I. Yep. And I feel like some people are like me where unless you have tried everything, you feel like you've quit too soon. Yeah. And I think that that comes from trauma as well, Right? Like, I think that just comes from trauma. I am very big on the, I will try every single thing in any type of relationship in my life until I have exhausted all possibility, right? Like, there is nothing left. I'm talking. I talk to everybody around me, trying to get perspectives, trying to get ideas, whatever. I've tried every single thing. And that is at the time where I will then walk away. And I will be the person. who goes to a stranger because I can't lot like once it has surpassed logic I'm already fucked you know that like if I cannot work it out in my logical brain I'm lost at that point I feel like

logically I've been in situations where I'm like logically this makes no sense yeah like I've said that to you yes logically nothing about this makes sense however emotionally I can't just cold turkey quit it. Yeah. And it's like, well, we haven't done X, Y, and Z and we haven't like tried this and we, you know, need to try that. And then I realize I find myself in a situation where I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm going such and such place. My location's still on and I'm like actually there. Honestly, what's even funnier is just like I already, that specific scenario you're referencing,

I already knew, so then I checked it. Does that make sense? It's not like I'm like sitting here, like, where's everyone at? It's like, no, I already had a sneaky suspicion and was like, this would explain it. So let me just confirm. But I never said shit. I did not say shit until after you were like done with the situation. And then I was like, well, I actually A, B, and C. And I realized all these things. Because my intention is never to like piss somebody off. That's not how I am, but I am fiercely protective of those people who are in my life because I don't really let many people in. I also think that sometimes, actually most of the time, other people see things from the outside perspective that you don't see because you are invested in that

person, they're not. Right. And so you seeing certain things in that situation is very different than like what I'm seeing because you're not in love with that person. Yeah. There's no emotion. I just relationships are just so interesting I feel like we could just have an entire podcast on relationships we've had we've all collectively had enough to have an entire podcast on it yeah this is very true oh I also love the comments where people are like oh Lindsay brought someone else around her son do you realize that I've been divorced for over four years now I was going to ask you I can't I couldn't remember if it was four if it was five I believe, well, Jackson was about to turn, well, not about to.

He was still, he was eight and he's 12. He's 12. He's about to turn 13. Yeah, he's about to be for almost five years. So, yeah, almost five years. I'm like, three guys in five years is not really that much. It's a very intriguing situation when I see people make comments and then you go actually look at their social media profiles and you can actually tell their relationship history

from their photos and you're like, I'm confused. Oh, and the really rich ones are the DMs that you get where it's somebody's fucking husband. And it's like, do you want me to send this to your wife? Honestly. Because why are you out here in my DMs? We should try. We should start doing that. P.S., did you see that article on People Magazine where it said influencer almost decapitated after her next scarf gets stuck under a moving car?

No. Yeah. So she was a fashion influencer and she is now warning others about the dangers of long scarves. It says that she revealed she nearly decapitated herself after her scarf got stuck under a moving car. She shared a video via her Instagram page and revealed that she had began her night, a BMW event in Australia and she was wearing a long black gown with a matching neck scarf. It says the dress that held me in a chokehold. The clips switched to her. lifting her head up and reveal the burn on her neck. She said literally, if you look at this photo, I cannot even, like, look at it. I'm pulling it up right now, but first of all, I didn't know that long scarves were back. I mean, I feel like, wait, is that a scarf or is that part of her dress? No, I do think it's a scarf. Ooh. Look at the, look at like what happened to her neck, though. ow. And she said, a reminder for the ladies, remove your neck scarves before entering or operating any heavy machinery, nearly decapitated myself getting the scarf tangled underneath the

car on the way home. Oh, and then if you scroll down, there's like another one of it. Is that not terrifying? First of all, I don't even know, like, I cannot imagine what you would do because I've been a situation where like hard of like if I'm wearing something flowy gets stuck in the door and I'll go to move while driving and I'll realize it and I panic then. So I could not imagine doing the long scarf thing having that happen and then literally like rolling over it with my tire. Oh, I know. And then just knowing it's like choking you to death. What do you do in a situation like that? I will never forget. I had to have been seven or eight years old and my mom was taking Kyle and I to a Shania Twain concert and we were in the back of a suburban.

We had gone to like this Japanese express steakhouse had dinner. And then we were going to Shania Twain. I think we went to like five Shania Twain concerts like in our life. It was, you know, feels like a woman. He was in the backseat and somehow he got the seatbelt like wrapped around his neck. And she had to cut it off. Like I don't even know where she got scissors or whatever. The only thing I can remember was have like the Ripper maybe.

I don't know. I just remember like him like hanging up there because he got it like so wrapped around his neck. I think he was just like monkeying around in the car. I fucking panic when the seatbelt locks on me in the car. But there are things that you can put in your car that are like seatbelt cutters and stuff like that. The combo tool. It's a seatbelt cutter and it's also a glass breaker in case you go in the wall. water. In the water? Yeah, like if your car, like, ends up in the water and you have your seatbelt

on and then you're underwater in the pressure, like you can't open your door once you're like underwater. So it's like a tool, it's like a dual-ended tool. And the one side has like the glass breaker that you like go like this and it like bust the glass out. And then the other one is like a seatbelt ripper. Are you terrified of going over bridges with like water underneath because I am? Yeah, I'm a dumb ass and I unbuckle my seatbelt. And I don't. don't care. Let me get pulled over and I'll literally give my reasoning. Wait, why? Because I don't want my seatbelt on. It freaks me out. It's like one less thing that I want to have to worry about if that bridge goes down, knowing that if the bridge goes down, I'm probably already dead because

it's like pretty high up, right? Like bridges are not, typically bridges I go over are not very close to the water. So I'm like, that probably wouldn't be good. I don't know if I'd make it, but if I did, I don't want to deal with the seatbelt. But have you seen those bridges that have like the break in them and they like open up and then they come back down let me tell you a story about that okay so they have one of those going one of the ways that i took to delaware one time they have one okay well i wouldn't be going that way i didn't intentionally go that way didn't not intentionally go that way and didn't know what the light situation was that was going on in front of me and all of a sudden i'm still going

And you see the bridge going. And I was like, oh, shit. I was just stop. Nope. Scare this shit out of me. Nope. Can't do it. It scares me so bad.

I will reroute myself and I don't care if I have to go 40 miles out of the way. I am not going over it. I mean, that's also fair. Do I have a life vest in my car? Absolutely not. Am I ever prepared for an emergency? Absolutely no. I am not a good swimmer.

You know what someone said to me the other day when I said that to them? They were asking me something about swimming. And I said, I'm not a good swimmer. Like, I never, I've never said that I was. And they said, you look like someone that wouldn't be a good swimmer. And that's like, what the fuck do you mean? So then said person was like, oh, I'm really concerned about you being in the pool. Like you talk about going and floating in your pool, but you're sitting here telling me you can't swim.

And I said, well, luckily for me, I can reach the bottom. So I can just stand up and it'll be fine. It's not like your pool's a lap pool. That part's fine. Like, I'm not concerned about the drowning there, but like I am not a strong swimmer at all. One time I went to go like do the YMCA classes to be a lifeguard. Don't know who the fuck I thought I was. Tried to go do that.

My ears were about to explode before I could even retrieve the test dummy at the deep end. Oh, my God. I quit that day. I quit that immediate day. used to be on swim team. Excuse me? Yeah. Are you fucking with me right now?

I swear. I used to be on swim team and my relay was breaststroke. Lindsay? What? I did not know that. Yeah. Like, I'm a good swimmer. I hate the outfits.

Like, hate the outfits. I really wish that, like, Speedo could just up the game to, like, make it just look a little bit more aesthetically pleasing. Okay. And I probably would have done it for a longer, but I just, I didn't like those vibes. But yeah, I was on swim team. How long did you do swim team for? I think like a couple summers.

Damn. I was in, I had to have been in like middle school. Maybe it was like my three middle school years. Oh my God. I had no idea. Yeah. And you had to wake up so freaking early to go to it and still in the freezing cold. Yeah.

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Oh, that's not your dues. You owe like when you're a new member, you owe like flat fees up front. I think so. From what I'm understanding. Okay. And it has been calculated that some of, some of,

and I would say most, stuff the girls going through Alabama Rush outfits totaling $19,000. I'm going to throw up. What? And I'm like, I feel like we were shopping at like Fashion Express and shit. Like, do you remember Fashion Bug? Yeah. I'm thinking to myself. Do you ever watch Eastbound and Down? Yes. Yes. And he was like, I know one of us looks like we have a personal stylist and the other one of us looks like they shoplift their shit from fashion bug. I remember fashion bug, Deb. Yeah. Um, rainbow. Like, I remember those stores, but do we think it's actually the clothes? Like, I know they can get up there, right? Like,

E ritsia and shit like that. But do we think that it's more so the accessories, like the jewelry? I mean, yes. I do think that, you know, like the E. Newton bracelets, the Cartier bracelets, the, I don't know what the other shit that people. wear um david yearman bracelets and rings so yes do i think that that like possibly has something to do with it yes but a lot of the girls that i were watching there is no way that some of their just athletic wear for an outfit was likely not under five hundred dollars oh it's probably lulu lemon it's probably aloe yeah yeah that's crazy isn't it crazy like i'm probably a bitch for saying this, but like now that you're an older adult, right? Like we're at our 30s.

Don't you feel like some of those things are like should be privileges for when you get older? It's so funny that you say that because I don't know how I feel about it. I feel like the younger, I see so many girls like go into the middle school that have on like Allo and Lulu Lemon and all of this stuff. And I feel like if you had a daughter specifically, because I feel like they more so care about like their brands of clothing than boys I would imagine um if somebody else has it and then you can provide it for them you kind of feel bad for not doing it but at the same time you know like it is a privilege to be able to have it to be able to buy it for yourself too so I don't know like where I would fall on that I was not allowed to give a shit about brands like

at all. I was not allowed to shop at any stores that were in the mall at all. I was a Coles. I was a Kmart. Nope, couldn't shop there. Was not allowed to shop there. Because I had like club wear. So my parents were like keep you the fuck out of there. Like literally like Walmart, Coles, Kmart, JCPenny's. So that was in the mall. That was like where I was allowed to shop. There was no limited to. Hollister, Abercrombie and Fitch, Aeropostel, like, nothing. I was not, that was not allowed. So, like, for me, I don't give a shit about brand names, like, now. I hated it when, like, people would, like, make fun of me, right? But, like, turned out fine. So. I mean, I think that as parents, we all want to protect our children, like, the best way that we can within our

financial means of being able to do so, right? I just, I don't know. know like such a big part of me wants to say no I would not give in to that like I might no like I would yeah and I am not you know this like I am not keeping up with the Joneses like I I do not live like that Jackson strolls around and crocs now does he get a couple peers of crocs a year yes because he wears the damn tread off of them but typically his uniform is black athletic shorts, black Nike socks, either a pair of tennis shoes, a pair of crocs, a black t-shirt, maybe a hoodie. Yeah.

And we call it a day. If I was a girl mom, I fear that I would give in to the brands. Like keeping up with the Joneses. But I don't think the intention would be keeping up with the Joneses. I think it would be, I normally wouldn't buy this, but since you feel left out, I don't want you to feel left out. Yeah. I get it, right? Like, my mom's famous thing to me was like, I don't give a shit what Tom Dick or Harry are doing with their kids. Like, I'd be like, yeah, but so-and-so has this. And she's like, okay, and I don't give a shit. Go see if her parents

will adopt you. Mm-hmm. You've got me kidding me. I hate it at the time. Now, I just don't care. Like, that stuff does not impress me whatsoever. In fact, I actually judge the shit out of people who wear like brand name shit but like then like talk about their finances not being in good shape and I'm like well don't don't get me wrong like there are certain things and I'm like I'm going to buy that because I feel like I get more use and wear out of it on a weekly basis right right the majority though I am balling on an Amazon budget yeah like I don't shop I never bought into the fast fashion shit, right? So I never did the Sheehan stuff, anything like that just because I had so many friends that did and their stuff was falling apart within like one or two washes. And I needed that

shit. I am somebody who keeps my clothes for a very long time. So I do, in those situations, I do go for like what is going to last me. I have dabbled in Amazon. Amazon's like a tough place for me for bottoms because I'm so short. That's like a tough place. But I get my leggings, the leggings I wear, Amazon, three packs, what I get. But like outside of that, I'm not like, it helped me in the long run. It's how I personally feel. But like, I don't really, to each their own, obviously. But like, I just look at it and I'm like, wouldn't you get more satisfaction out of it if you like wanted something so bad and you got it with your own money and you instead of like having these teeny boppers running around and like. I mean, I think ideally I would want to do that. But do I think that I would be like stern and strict enough to like enforce it? You're like probably not. Definitely not.

Yeah. Like Will is actually more in line with that. Like you want that that bad. Then get outside and start pulling weeds. I remember the first thing that I, though actually was the only thing I ever bought from Hollister. I saved up my own money and I went about it. What was it? It was like the long sleeve, like baby doll top top. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yep. And you remember it to this day. Yeah, it was white. You know, it's so funny. I see a little girls getting out of the middle school and I just love it for them so much because I feel like we had such a disconnect. Like the way our parents were dressing when we were in middle school was absolutely not like what we were dressing like. You know, it was like parents were like this and kids were like this. Now it's like the girls are more falling in line with something that I would wear.

Yes. And I don't really know how to take that. But when I see it, I'm like, oh my gosh, that's so cute. You know, they've got their little Nike blazers on with a little high Nike socks and the butterfly skirt and, you know, like the little tank top with the jacket over it and their Starbucks. And I'm like, I love that for them. Yeah. Like it's cute. It is cute.

It also makes me, something that I've noticed is I don't shop a lot. So this could be wrong. Do they even have juniors sections anymore or does it just go from like kids to women? I think a lot of places it's just kids to women. And I think a lot of these girls are probably wearing like XX, like if they have like the 2X smalls or the extra smalls, I think that that's probably what they're getting. Because I know that Lulu Lemon doesn't have a kid section. Right. so they're just like sizing down in women's because remember like it was like um shopping in the junior

section oh yeah and we felt so cool remember like sophy shorts oh my god yeah multiple rolls multiple roles and my dad was always checking to see if they were rolled oh yeah but that's like i i was such a scam artist you'd be a bamboozle you just like don't roll it until you leave yeah till you leave or what i would do is i would wear sweatpants over top of the sofa shorts and I would take the sweatpants off once I saw my dad's car past the bus stop. Oh yeah. Everybody did that shit. I'm stripping at the bus stop. Everybody did that shit. Except one time I did that, my mom showed up to the school. That really wrecked my plants. She's like, where did you get those? What are those? Oh, she came and I was in a very short skirt with high heels on. Like I had just

really done the most that day. And I remember seeing her see me. And I was like, I'm dead. Honey, I went to a private Christian school. So I had to wear like this pleaded, like, plaid skirt every day. And you just had to take it to alterations and get it like really short. I did the, like before I moved to Pennsylvania, I went to a private school for like the first couple years of my life. And we had the uniforms. Well, you put Sophie shorts up underneath the uniform.

So when school got out, you could just be like a normal kid. you just drop the skirt and you've got your Sophie shorts on. I was pissed because we moved the year that I was going into the skirt because before that was the dress. Oh, yeah. We moved to Pennsylvania the year I was going into the skirt and I still punched the air to this day. You're like, I really just wanted to wear that. I was so excited.

I got sized for it and all. And then my parents bought a house over here. And I was like, my uniform was like a less sexy version of the music video of Britney. Spears. Oh, I mean, that's all of them. Like all private schools. That's what it looks like to me. Right. And you had to wear like the black shoes. Yep. Yep. Mm-hmm. They were like Mary Jane's or something. They called them. Yeah. Mary Jane's, but I wore the boy ones. Did you? Yeah. And not like lace them up. Yeah. It was a vibe. But on that note, we have foul play. Okay. This one's actually funny because you were talking about recycling. So. Oh, wow. Yep. Really just come in full circle. Full circle. I was newly single and ran into a guy that I had previously banged. I thought I may as well recycle and not add on to my number. He was a sexy Spanish dude that had always known how to get me to where I needed to go. So we went back to his house. And by his house, I mean his parents' house where he lived in the basement. But I thought, who cares? It's not even actually happening because we had banged before. banging now gets erased. Girl math. So bam, bam. Thank you, ma'am. And it's morning. The booze had worn off and I look like a troll with scoliosis. So I go to leave. But alas, his dad is in the basement outside this man's door. I forgot to mention his dad is a pastor. God bless. So this man has the audacity to ask me to climb out the window right outside his room near feet from his preaching dad. Well, your girl did because something about his voice sounded a bit familiar and the looming shame had hit me. What's one more hit to the ego? So I climbed out the window, looked back and saw his dad yelling at him. Well, see, you sucker. So I thought the next day was my cousin's wedding. As soon as I arrived, I was faced with my hookups pastor father. He was the master of ceremonies.

I'm surprised I didn't burn on the spot in that church. Cheers, ladies. I love the podcast. Okay. So I have a question. Like, uh-huh. What is the question? Is it recycling if you actually get back together with the person?

Yeah. I don't like that. Corey's recycled Because I got back Okay, one person We know I never like actually got back with The one person Do you know what I'm talking about?

Yep Okay The next person I did get back together with For an extended period of time And like no one knew about it Yep That was a full blown recycle

Like full blown Yeah I think recycling is a bad idea Like, the more I play this out in my head. The more I'm playing it out, like, it's a bad idea, but I understand the logic of this girl, right? Like, it doesn't count as a body because you've already been there. Yeah, and you knew it worked. So it's like, well.

Well, did you? We have needs. I mean, but did it work? I mean, she said it got her where she needed to go. But to a basement? No. Not physical. Not like, like, the location.

Oh, like, he got her off. Correct. Yeah. Okay. I was like. She knew it worked. She's like, okay, he got me off before, and I can do that again and not count another body to the roster. But was it in a basement at all?

Like, why am I so hung up in the basement? You know what? I think because I don't know if you ever had to go to a basement. I did not go to a basement. I did not do that. But some people are taking their ladies to their parents' bedroom. So, you know, the basement seemed like a better plan until the dad was outside. The preacher twist was crazy.

Only one person has ever told me, and I'm not telling you who it is, but I know you'll know when I say this. Okay. Only one person has ever told me, if someone catches us doing this, you have to jump out that window. I feel like I know exactly what this is. And I'm like, catching us. We're not doing anything illegal. I'm like, we're not doing anything like, what? Catches us.

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