Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Old School Mops are OUT

Episode Date: October 1, 2026

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I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convoes with Kail Lowry and Lindsay Crissly. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Okay, before we took a potty break, we were talking about kids' schedules, and I really want to pick your brain about something because I feel like you and I are very different on this. So when Jackson was little, he's never really had what I would say, a bedtime.

Okay. And I feel like your kids have specific bedtimes. And I always used to think that it was like so mean that moms would put their kids to bed at 6.30. And like now I get the lure of why people do it. So babies into toddlerhood, very strict bedtime. because I realize that when the babies are not sleeping, they become irritable, whiny, all the things.

And it just made everybody's life harder. But ultimately it came down to they needed to sleep. So, like, I wasn't deviating from that. But as they get older, I'm a little bit more flexible. But still, like, Lux and Creed have to have a set bedtime because Creed loves his sleep. And Lux can function on little sleep. But I don't want to fight anybody in the morning to wake up. I mean, that makes sense to me.

Some people are like very strict where it's like come hell or high water. They're sitting down and feeding their kids at like 5.30. Then it's bath time. And then it's bedtime. Everybody's tucked in by 6.30. I could never get behind it because I just felt bad. I'm like, okay, Will and I are up hanging out and he's just like in his room. And he's probably just fucking around in there.

I think people have to do what fits their families. But I think the older the child gets like 630 does feel. really early, but also, I feel like those parents know their kids better than anybody else. So if their kid is going to bed at 630, there's a reason the kid is going to bed at 630. But I also think it's crazy that there's like pediatric recommendations based off of age for what time a child should go to bed. And I don't think everybody's kid falls on the pediatric recommendation for time. Oh, I agree. I definitely agree with that.

I remember in a previous relationship, I was at like a family function for a holiday. and the one mom was like so pissed off and irritated by her kids whining. And I'm like, it's literally midnight and your toddlers are awake. Like you're getting mad at them when your exit and game plan should have been to be gone by 9 p.m. It is midnight. Yeah. See, we never kept him out that late or anything like that. But if we were at home, it was just kind of like, you know, as long as you're not crying or carrying on or whatever, like,

play with his toys in the living room or something like he's just sitting there playing action figures or watching whatever movie that we're watching. I don't care. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like I do think it depends on the family and it varies. But like there are maybe there are like a certain amount of people who can follow the pediatrician guideline and like, okay, that works for them. I there was a time where the twins were going to bed like clockwork at 637 o'clock. Like there was no deviating from that. Now they're, um, they're about to be three and we're around like 8, 8.30. See, I feel like that's more reasonable. And I mean, like you said, it's like for whatever works or whatever family, just never worked for us.

Do you have a schedule throughout the weekend where like obviously like the school days are one thing, but on the weekend, is it the same? It honestly just depends on the older kids sports. Okay. Our entire school year, including the weekends, depends on what kids are. in sports what their activities are. And I have to kind of plan the toddlers around that. Okay. That makes sense.

Jackson has absolutely no schedule on the weekend at all. So yeah. I mean, if I don't have, if we don't have sports, we don't have a schedule because that's really what like ties us. And I think not to address haters or like misconceptions, I know we said we weren't going to do that, but they don't have help on the weekends. Yeah. So it literally is tailored around sports.

or a free-for-all. Like if Jackson has a basketball game during basketball season, then, of course, he's going to bed like 10, 10, 30 on the weekend. Because if it's an early game, you're not going to be tired. I'm not listening to it. I don't want to see you play bad. Like, we're going to bed. Outside of that, he was up until you would have died.

He was up until 6 a.m. on Saturday morning. Doing what? Like from Friday, came home from school and was up until 6 a.m. And then slept until 2 o'clock in the afternoon, which I was just doing house chores, right? So I didn't care if you're sleeping or whatever. And I do think it's easier with one than having multiples for sure. Yeah.

Well, he's also a teenager, right? Like almost a teenager? But yeah, he was up playing. Yeah, he's 13. So he was up playing Fortnite and talking on FaceTime with his friends and they were pulling all-nighter. And that's what they do. That's what we did it too when we were kids. I know, but we didn't have the cell phones, right? True. We had this. Well, maybe you didn't have the sleepovers. I was having the sleepovers. So we were pulling all-nighters at the sleepovers. See, I didn't prefer sleepovers whenever I was growing up. But yours was a completely different life and you probably just wanted to be away from Susie. I didn't have a choice. I wanted to be with Susie. Susie did not want kale with Susie. What was Susie doing when you were at these sleepovers? On a bender?

like out and about yeah or she'd come get fucked up at the wherever i was and then she'd leave see i'm so fearful jackson's only ever gone to one i think it was one sleepover with his best friend and i trust his best friend's parents like i would let i would not say that i would venture to let him like leave the state with anybody but if i was going to i would trust them enough to like let him go with them. I still, like if he goes, the one time he went, I just came back home, got take out, took a bath. And I'm like, I need to like be home in the event that something happened or he calls crying or whatever, like I'm available. You know what I mean? Yeah, 1,000 percent. So I couldn't imagine Susie just being out and about like probably on a date or like on the town or whatever she was

doing. I couldn't imagine that. Susie would drop me off somewhere and not even so much as call for five days. Five days. Yes. I remember specifically, I had a friend named Kelsey Coors. Her mom owns the flower shop, like the floor shop right in town still. And I remember like having a compulsive visceral reaction to basically missing my mom, her dad Randy, rest in peace, was like by the bed trying to calm me down while her mom Sue was trying to get a hold of my mom because it's like nighttime and I'm like having this basically uncontrollable fit about my mom because like you just wanted her to come get you.

Yeah. Like I just wanted I just needed to see her. And actually I think after that I wasn't allowed at their house anymore. Like for a long time because every single time I would get dropped off there, they didn't know when I was getting picked up. And Susie didn't find a problem with that. No. And they were the. If I had to guess, I don't know this for sure, but if I had to guess, that was like one of the only

families that I ever stayed with that held my mom accountable for that and was like, I don't think it was a punishment to me. It was just like, you can't do this. Like, you're an adult. You need to handle this. This is your child. But like everybody else kind of just like dealt with it. Okay. I want to get the audiences participation on this. For sleepovers and stuff, do you have a set drop off time and a set pickup time? Or is it kind of like a free for all when everybody gets up, then you just like communicate with the parents. Depends on the people. Well, Jackson's only allowed to have certain people at our house. I, for Elliot, like Elliot has friends over and he has sleepover sometimes. Like,

he's so responsible that I don't have like a pickup drop off or like anything like that. Like the other day, it wasn't a sleepover, but he asked for his friends to come over. They came over. They hung out. I didn't know how long they were staying, didn't care how long they were staying. Didn't care how long they were saying as long as your parents know you're here and everything is okay whatever when one friend left he came up to me and he said can I take my other friend home and I was like sure like I don't so it doesn't matter but I think for like different ages or like if you have plans like hey I I I'm the only thing I have is this tomorrow at this time but like some sometimes I don't it doesn't matter to me so I'm more specific on like play dates or hangouts or something like that yeah it's like if it's after school

and you want to come and hang out, like, you're welcome to eat dinner with us. But by like eight, then there needs to be like a scheduled pickup because I'm ready to start like cleaning up my kitchen. Winding down. Winding down, taking my bath and like not being interrupted. So like I'm more specific about that. But as far as sleepovers, I literally don't care. I also, if I'm being honest, I don't love, I'll do it sometimes, but I don't love playdates

at my house during the school year, during the week. Remember me telling you that it's so great to go to a place like a trampoline park and like meet there? Yes. Because it's like a set amount of time. It's too hot. Like there's too much going on and I have the guilt with how difficult nighttime is for us with, you know how sometimes for two year olds, sometimes for three year olds. Toddlers are getting their opinions. Toddlers don't want to do the routine.

You have to fight with them for stuff. It's a very stressful time for me. And if I lay with them at night, I'm like. up there sometimes for two and a half hours trying to get them to go to sleep. Oh, wow. So it's very challenging for me during the week because I sometimes have to start that routine at like seven o'clock and or even sometimes sooner. And so having playdates during the school day at my, during the school week at my house is too challenging. Um, prefer to go to a park, prefer trampoline park. But the problem with Delaware specifically that I'm seeing now that I didn't see

before is that there really is not a lot of options. Like there, yes, are there parks that are free? Sure. But as far as like a trampoline park, there's one trampoline park. It's like 25, 30 minutes away from my house. There's not another one for enough. There's not another one closer within an hour. So you already have to account for an hour. So going there and back is an hour worth of time. And then if you let them jump for two, that's three hours after school. But then now talk about the toddlers, if I want to go do something with them, there is not, aside from parks and trampoline parks, there are not many options. I think there's, I saw this one like dinosaur cafe situation, but that's 45 minutes from my house. So we're talking about a work day and then I want to take

people to go do stuff like the school year. It's just not convenient. What I'm, what I'm getting at here is that the location that I'm in in Delaware is not convenient for weeknight activities. When there's sports and everything else, even if you take the sports out of it, it's not convenient to do on school nights. So that makes things really challenging to have the kids and keeping them busy. So when we were talking about a schedule on the weekends and in the summer, it's so hard because during the week, I can't really do anything with anybody. Yeah, that makes sense. Let's talk about skims because you guys have heard us say it before, but I am going to say it again. Skims is top tier and their fabrics are truly one of a kind. Lately, I've been wearing cotton everything, especially because

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But then they're not getting off the bus until almost 5.5. o'clock in the afternoon. So by the time you get off the bus, then if we're in basketball season, then it's about time for basketball. You have enough time to go home, eat dinner, change into your basketball clothes, and get to the gym. Like there is no time for like weeknight hangouts. No. No. And I don't, does your, do your schools have like sports where they can just stay after school? Because when I was in high school, some lacrosse practices were just directly after school. So like,

I'm wondering if that's just high school, though. I don't think they do that in middle school. But I think that when you're in high school, it's like once school dismisses, it's either like football, practice, soccer, baseball. It's all like right there. That's so convenient to me. That's what I do love about the school that Elliott and Lincoln are going to this year. Everything will be right there.

So if they're doing tennis or soccer or whatever they're doing, it's there. Which is so nice. They don't have to leave campus. They can do their, um, homework and everything in like a not like a study hall but like the period if it's like an hour between after um if it's an hour when the school lets out and school practice starts get your school work done there's no reason why you need to wait until you get home at that point in my opinion so i mean we'll see how it goes but yeah i don't know it's really challenging in delaware i feel like if

i lived somewhere sort of similar to where you live we would have more options to do stuff and especially on weekends too like i was i actually just told ike i said we need to do more with the toddlers. The problem is there's nothing to do with them. So in the fall, I feel like we are always going to do little activities. So like whether it be the petting zoo or the apple orchard or pumpkin picking and those places all have like zip lines, blowups, like all that kind of stuff. You all don't have stuff like that around you? We have, we do have something like that. It's about like 35, 40 minutes from my house. the babies would love it.

So they would love it, but like that also takes some planning. And that's like a one or two-time thing in the fall. You're not going to do that every single weekend. Correct. So like coming up with a schedule, it's hard. That's what I'm getting at. I'm not saying it's not possible. It's just tricky because then if Lincoln has a tournament on Saturday and I want to take the kids to the apple orchard, what do I do?

Go to the tournament. Tournament. Tournament. Tournament. Tournament. Tournament. Tournament. tournament.

I will say Elliot was the king of, he's the king of last minute stuff. So I won't know that I need to take a... I love last minute stuff. No, I hate it. I hate it. So it's like before he could drive his car by himself. Yeah. I didn't know I was responsible to take your friend home.

You didn't express that to me when you asked if they could come over. So now all of a sudden I have to stop whatever I'm doing and I have six other children. And now you need me to take your friend home. I don't mind taking him home, but it would have been nice to know that. that in the beginning of the day. So I will say that is extremely frustrating. But now that he drives his own car, he actually, sorry, just drove himself. So Joe and I always switch on Mondays and he drove himself to his dad's. And I texted him and I was like, what was it like driving to your dads? Like I didn't have to drive you. And he was like it was amazing actually. That's so interesting.

I wonder if it like cuts down on the stress. And I don't mean that like there's beef like between you and Joe. but I just wonder what that feels like for the child where it's not necessarily like I'm leaving my mom for my dad or like I'm leaving my dad to go to my mom. You know what I mean? Because they're by their, they're by themselves. Yeah. I mean, if you're old enough to drive to your dads, I mean, what else do? Joe and I don't really need to communicate about anything. There's very, very, very little for us to have to communicate about, which is, I mean, we really don't.

We go months without talking. So, and it's been nice. Like, it's great. I couldn't even imagine like going months without talking to Will, but also we have a friendship. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So it's like we might be Kiki and about Jackson.

And he's like, oh, dude, I did blah, blah, blah. That was crazy. Yeah. I don't have that. But I'm perfectly fine with that. You don't want it. Mm-mm. Wait, I need to ask you, what is your nightly routine?

Because I feel like it's so fascinating to me, like what different folks do? So, like I have a specific thing that I do. We usually close down the house, like do whatever straightening up. What does that entail, though? Like, is it the same thing every night? No, it depends what the mess looks like. Oh, okay. But we'll do the straightening up.

If there's any crumbs left on the table, the floor, whatever, running a dishwasher if we need to. Because Lux's chores is the dishes and unloading dishwasher. but like we're not going to make him do it before bed if he did it in the morning. You know what I mean? Yeah. At that point, we'll just do it. Like tidying up all the house, making sure all the doors are locked. That's like the biggest thing for me right now.

I don't know why hyper fixations. Intrusive thoughts are the doors locked because the toddlers are no longer in their cribs. Oh. So I'm like, and we have European doors. So it's like fine. They wouldn't probably be able to get out. But still, it just freaks me out. And then Ike and I shower together every single night.

And then I read my Kindle and go to bed. I take sleepy gummies and go to sleep. I used to shower with somebody every single night. I think that's a very underestimated form of intimacy. I do. You used to tell me that all the time. And I'm like, no. You don't even have to have sex and I feel like it's intimate.

Like I used to not get it because Will and I didn't really shower together when we were married. And until you get into a relationship where you regularly shower with each other, when you don't have it anymore, you're like, damn, I kind of miss that. There are definitely times like when the toddlers, like when Rioverson Valley are in the pool and then they get out of the pool and it's closer to like bedtime. Yeah. It's easier for me to just shower with them so that I can put them in the shower with me and shower them and whatever.

So on those nights, I don't shower with him, but it obviously love my children. So it's like I'm not missing something. But it throws off your night. It does. It doesn't throw it off. It just feels like, okay, mom mode and then like partner mode, that might be the only form of intimacy we have all week because of the children. Right. Yeah. And you have to fill all the cups, right?

But like we're expected to do like have good hygiene, be good moms, make sure there's meals cooked on the table, have activities planned, do self-care, but also get your work done, but also pour into your partner. But also don't forget that you had an obligation on that. Like we are expected to do so much that I'm like, you have to fill so many cups. and I need to get this done with the kids, it might just be easier for me to shower with them, get them all shower, put them to bed. So on those nights I don't shower with him, but it is hard.

Well, the shower conversations, I feel like, are like an unmatched territory. Oh, without a deal. Like, I love a shower conversation. And I think that that's why I've always been like on the phone, like talking on the phone in the shower. I've talked to you on the phone many of times in the shower. I talked to Madison on the phone in the shower.

I've done it with Becky. I can't hear well in the shower because the water's going. There's like too much. I think I get over stimulated. Like on the phone. But I feel like I do it way more now that I don't shower with David. Like I almost like want to talk to somebody because I got so used to talking in there. Then I'm like, oh, let me just call somebody.

So I'll just call somebody in the shower. I do not want to be interrupted in any way, shape, or form on my phone. in the shower. That's so interesting, except the times that you take nudes. I haven't taken a nude in a really long time. It's been a long time. That's wild. Did you ever think that you would arrive here?

No, but like, he sees me naked all day every day. So like, well, I don't need to, you know? You know? Not him saying last night, you running through the house with you ash jiggling. They were going over. They're like intrusive thoughts. And Ike was describing to Lindsay that if there was an intruder in our house, I would be standing in the kitchen naked and I would be running to the back of the house

screaming for him. And I'm like, why am I naked in this intrusive thought? Like what? I don't even sleep naked. So why am I in the kitchen naked running back there with my butt cheeks jiggling? Okay. I feel like I've come a long way since we started this podcast because I used to talk about the naked sleepers.

Remember that? Vaguely. Were you a naked sleeper? No. I'm not a naked seeper. And I don't want to put all their business out there, but I'm, pretty sure his entire family sleeps naked. Like they're just like naked, naked people.

But to me, if there is an intruder, that was my. If there is a fire, you are running out of the house stark ass naked. Your dick is flopping all over the place. No. And like most people that are like naked sleepers, they don't have anything by the bed. It's just you and your balls, you know?

Like. I feel so violated to. too. It just feels like I'm so exposed if I sleep naked. Like what if in the middle of the night my legs are wide open and now I'm exposing? Like it just feels really uncomfortable. I feel like it's very liberating now that I've done it. But there's only one person that I've slept in the bed intentionally naked with. I don't know. It's kind of like the shower, right? Like it feels so intimate. Oh yeah. And it's like there is something intimate about like naked bodies. like rubbing against each other.

Oh, for sure. But we're talking about intrusive thoughts and being naked and having to get up. I would not get dressed fast enough. I know. But that's what I used to say when we started this podcast. Like I could never, I could never sleep naked because if there was ever a house fire, how am I getting dressed? You're not.

You're running out naked. Everybody's going to see me like that. And that is a risk that like I sometimes am willing to take depending on the mood that I'm in, but I also love a good pair of pajamas. Like, there is something unmatched about sometimes, and I'm going back to the fall, sometimes getting out of the shower in the fall and putting on some body oil and and body old. Putting on a pair of skim's pajamas.

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Imagine if I was naked. Well, I don't think that you would have been at the bus accident. I thought my kid was injured. I, like, I could have run out of the house. What if I only slept in a bra and underwear and ran out the house like that? Like, we were talking about intrusive thoughts to the point where it's like, do I have a, do I keep a weapon under my bed or not? Because how can I get to said weapon?

If I am in a, for example, when I was like nine or ten, my house got broken into, I was having a hard time dialing 911. I kept fucking it up. So imagine me trying to get dressed. Because you were like panicked? Yes. That's what I was saying as part of my intrusive. thought last night.

So like I'm saying. You need safes that have fingerprints on them. Like not a code or a key and not a code. And I used to say that to Will all the time. Like Mr. Sir, if somebody breaks in here, you automatically, I know how your brain works. That code, you lost it about 10 seconds ago. 1,000%.

Like you need a fingerprint one. 1,000%. But so that's my point is like being a naked sleeper and now you're in a position where you, it is, there is no fight or flight because you instantly just go into fight and you're not thinking about getting dressed. So now you're fighting for your life naked. But don't you feel like you get better sleep if you're sleeping with a man who is naked? Naked. No, I think it doesn't make a difference if he's clothed or not. Naked. Naked. Naked. It just comes across like way better. Naked. Naked. Yeah, naked feels like it's like a lard. Yeah. It's like a lot. You know, it's like a

long like drawn out for sure naked like I will say though I need to figure out like what it is about like so verse and Rio obsessed with walking around the house with no shirts on Lux and Creed were kind of like that too Elliot and Lincoln never really were Lux and Creed will be shirtless verse and Rio will be shirtless now Valley will want to be shirtless

but keep her pants on because she sees all her older brothers with no shirts on and so she wanted to your shirt off, leave her pants on. Yeah, but how do people do that that have boys and girls to explain to a girl like, baby you've got bee stings or boobies or whatever you want to call them, but like boys do too. So why can they have them out, but she can't? We talk about body parts very openly in the house. And right now I think it's fine.

Obviously, if I have guests over, like, no, but because there's, I don't need to get into that conversation. but I mean at some point she'll have to like I would imagine you should have put her shirt on but it's so interesting to me too though like how they got to the like what about being shirtless is just so normal to those four kids specifically like Lux Creed reaverse those four boys but Elliot and Lincoln were never really shirtless kids but those four are and from what I remember they're um Elijah didn't really walk around shirtless So like how did Rio and Ver's get to that?

They're going to end up being naked sleepers. But like how. Verse loves nothing more. So because Rio is potty trained and wears underwear, verse wants to wear underwear. So but he has to put underwear over a diaper or a pullup. He doesn't want to put shorts on. So he wants to be just like an underwear runner around her.

Yeah. And so does. That's so cute. Yeah. It's so cute to me. And sometimes Rio is the same. He just wants to wear underwear around the house. But like how did you get there when nobody else does that?

How did you end up a naked sleeper if your parents weren't doing that? Like how did you get there? Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm not sure. Or like wearing socks to bed, right? Like how did you get to be a sock sleeper? But who does that? There's a lot of people that do socks.

I have to be next level cold to wear socks on my feet. Oh, that's what I was going to tell you. So I'm thinking about purchasing this thing. You're a hot sleeper too, right? I'm extremely hot sleeper, but there is this thing that I saw on Amazon. Y'all are probably like way ahead of the times than me, but it's $88 and $88. and it's a bed fan that goes under the sheets.

That feels like an electrical disaster. That doesn't, that's an intrusive thought. Like that to me feels like we're asking to be set on fire in our sleep. It looks like that. And it blows underneath the sheets. We're more of like air circulation. It's not for the fan hitting us because it doesn't hit us. It's so that the air is circulated.

I cannot stand stiff air in a room. That's basically, yeah. It's like stale breath. So we have the fan on, but it's not hitting us. So that I don't think would necessarily help us. But do you not feel like stiff air is the equivalent to stale breath? Yes. It's the worst.

Also speaking of stale breath, the surgeon told me that when I get my tonsils out, that my breath will smell like a dead body for some time. And she said, do not rinse with mouthwash. you will not be able to get rid of it until the scabs are completely healed. She said it will smell so foul and do not try to rinse it out with mouthwash. Are you ready to take on this challenge? If it's going to prevent me from having bad breath in the future, yeah. Which it will.

It will. Yeah, because anybody that gets is like prone to like tonsil stones and stuff, it'll help with that. Like you won't get tonsal stones that can cause bad breath and stuff. Back to the nightly routine. do you use a swiffer in your house? Like the duster or a swiffer mop? Like, okay, so they have the ones that are dry, like the little pads that are dry, but then they also have the wet ones that have the febrees.

Oh, no, we don't use those. I absolutely love that and that's part of my nightly routine. Like I swiffer my main floor and also my bathroom because I cannot stand. Every day? Every night before I go to bed. I swiffer. my kitchen, like my doorways and the front of my doorways where people have entered. The floor?

Yeah, the floor. And then my bathroom. Every day. With a wet swiffer. Yeah. Yeah. I need that for my walls and my doors. I don't need it for the floor.

Yeah. The amount of shit, like I, what I asked. Well, you've told me this before. My dad for my birthday while I was gone was to clean the walls and the baseboards. Like that is more, like the floors are fine. Because I have a vacuum mop thing, which I'll send you the link for. You might really like it. Fantastic.

But the walls and the door frames, like, there's no reason it should look like that we live there for 10 years. Wait, have y'all seen that new contraption? I think it's going around on TikTok. And then I also saw it on Amazon. It's like the shark, like vacuum blower thing. Oh, I've seen that. Yeah. What is it for?

You haven't seen it? Mm-mm. So, like, it would be great for, like, a porch, I feel like. like if you want to make sure your porch is like cleaned off i'll show you what it looks like but i'm pretty sure call becky i think she just got it i get very fixated on like appliance is that an appliance do i don't know i pretty much when it comes to like the vacuums i just find something that works and i love it and we found the vacuums that work for us but there's no other like appliances or anything that we really use besides that vacuum mop thing that we have

which I love. It's super convenient. But outside of that, no, like, I don't have appliances that I can think of because we don't have trees to be the kind of trees that we would need a leaf blower. I have someone that does the lawn every week. I don't have. There's not anything like we need. Does that make sense? Yeah. But what do you use to like mop your floors? The vacuum mop thing. That's it? Well, Tata does Fabuloso when we're not home. With what kind? The one with the little. mop things. That looks like hair?

Yeah. Okay, so that's what I was trying to get at. Like, how many people actually still use their mops, those types of mops in their house? Because I guarantee you, if I called my nanny right now, she would tell me that she still uses like a standard old school mop. I have not had a standard old school mop in probably six years. So, I use the shark steam back, or,

shark steam mop. Okay, well, I want to see what that is. It's so good. Because I love the mop that we have now. It's like a vacuum sort of deal. But we do have a standard mop. Tata uses it. But to me, you're putting that in dirty water.

Every single time you dip that into something. And then even if you're wringing it out, it's still dirty. And so then you're spreading the dirty water on your floors. See, that's what I don't like about it. And that's why I like the shark. steam mop because it has the liquid in one side of it, like you fill up the canister for it and it's all fresh whenever it's coming out and it mops with steam. So Becky sent me the link to the shark power detect cordless stick vacuum.

But I think you can blow porches off with it. Can you blow porches off with this? Yeah. So the amount of links that we're going to have to provide for this episode is. No, that's good though. That's what people want. So the vacuum mop that we have, it's every single time you use it, you have to change the water because it's dirty.

Like it's cleaning it and it's not spreading dirty water back on your floors. So every single time you have to clean it. And I don't, is it annoying maybe? But like also, I don't want dirty water spread around my floors. I don't like that either. And that's why I will never use like an old school. mop. Some people do fill up their sinks. I have seen this done before where they fill up their sink with a thing of clean water and then rinse out the mop. After every single thing. And to me,

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How'd you get there? We flow. We flow. We flow. We flew British Airways and absolutely loved it. We flew at night so that we could sleep and then wake up there. Okay. That makes sense.

We did. We did no layovers. We stayed right in Leicester Square at St. Martin Lane Hotel. So if you're looking for a place, I will say London is a lot like New York. If you do not book, if you do not pay extra and book for more space, you will get a closet-sized hotel room. And that is standard. Like that's like, it is really, really small unless you require, like a double room with two double beds is significant.

It's like, and I'm not trying to wave money in anyone's faces. I'm just saying to like be realistic for a double bed room at the St. Martin Lane Hotel was $1,400 a night. A night. Yes. Wow. And we slept in that room for one night because the room that we had booked wasn't available for our last night there. And we were going to book our flight home, this whole thing.

But outside of that, we did a live show. We did a lot of Lincoln's games. We went to an Arsenal game. Arsenal is a football team there. They will correct you regularly. It is not soccer over there. It is football. So you call it football.

We went to see Big Ben. Buckingham Palace. We went shopping. We went to Notting Hill, which is like a famous market there. And Notting Hill is like the famous bookshop. They went their Chinatown is amazing. Really? Yes. Was it like New York's Chinatown? Better. Way better. Like knockoffs and all the stuff? No. It was more like food based. Okay. So and then they had this really fun ice cream that was it's called bubble wrap. And so it's, you know what bubble wrap looks like. It's waffle like. It's waffle like. that, like made like that. And then that's the cone of the ice cream. And I'm not an ice cream early, but I had to do it for, we were in London. And so it's a cone made out of soft waffle

that's like soft. And then the ice cream inside, you can get anything you want. And it's like this viral bubble wrap ice cream thing that's in Chinatown. That was really fun. We went to Paris for the day. We took the Eurostar there. That was really fun and super convenient. We literally got on, and it's like a faster version of the airport. You still have to go through security and you still have to do your passport, but it's so quick. Like you would think that we would have something like that for the states, like to go from state to state to state. Not like the Amtrak.

I'm talking like Eurostar. Yeah. And it was super, I don't know, it was a lot of fun. Like it was, I think we had a really good time. I will say this. If you ever plan on going to London or if we ever take coffee convos to London, no flavor in the food. Ranch dressing is not a thing.

Tax on sugar. You're going to get Coca-Cola zero unless you're willing to pay extra for Coca-Cola. Coca-cola and their water is dry. How interesting. What was your best meal that you had? We went to a steak house where you cook your own steak on us, like a stone. It's like super, super hot and you cook your own steak. That was probably my favorite restaurant.

And then the Chinatown food was my, I ate noodles almost every single day. Okay. Oh, and they had this Jamaican beef patties at this Jamaican spot in Lester Square. And if you've ever eaten, I can't speak for all of the United States, but the Jamaican patties that they have in Delaware, you can tell the quality of meat in it because you get like the nasty pieces of beef in it. Yeah. So it's like, you know it's bottom of the barrel beef. Yeah. Like it's cheaper.

The beef patties there were like, like you could eat the whole thing without spitting out any nasty pieces of beef. So I ate Jamaican beef patties almost every day too. It was so good. That sounds so good. Oh, and they don't have cream cheese. Also, bagels are not a thing there either. Really? Yeah.

So like, what's the standard breakfast? Beans on toast. What kind of? Bake beans? Yeah. But bake beans on toast with what? That's it. Beans on toast.

That's what you, that's what like people from there eat every day? I don't think it's every day. Like they eat cereal and stuff, but like that's like their thing. And then they do Sunday roast, which unfortunately we did not get there in time or leave in time or leave before that. Like pot roast? I don't fully know. but they also, they call their chips are French fries. So fish and chips is literally fish and French fries.

And their French fries are like the thick ones. They're like thick cut French fries. They don't do shoe strings. I loved London. I loved Paris. I will say this about Paris. So the Eurostar was super convenient, but I wish that we had more time in Paris specifically. And I'm sure there are other parts of France that have this.

But so one of the things that I'm like trying to do is like when I do gifts for people, I want them to be very personal and not like, oh, I could get this for anybody. Yeah. And sometimes the gift that you can get for everyone is personal to somebody specific. Like that's fine. But this France and Paris, you can get so many gifts personalized. So like you can go make your own perfume and have it engraved with their name. Oh, that's so cool.

You can go do your own lip balm or buy lip balm and get it. engraved. You can go do get chopsticks. If you like I love noodles, Becky loves noodles. I would have loved to have more time to go get very specific personalized gifts made. And I didn't have enough time in Paris to do that. Was was Paris the original monogramper? Probably. I did get the matchbox where it was specifically because that was the only one in London that I could find, went to this, I think it was actually like a hardware store. They had these super cute. gold matchbox cases that I got a couple as gifts and then I got one for myself that had Tiger's Eye on it and you engrave it. Oh, and then I did Carmen Luis notebook. That's like a,

you make your own notebook. Yeah. They do have that in the States for a fraction of the cost, but I specifically had been researching this for like literal months. So France, it's probably France as a whole, but I didn't know that and London didn't have as much of that where it's like more like souvenirs that you can get for anyone. Yeah, yeah. But like for the book club girlies, like that is personal to them. But could I give a bookmark to anybody? Yes.

But like that was like I got some of the book club girlies bookmarks. That's so cool. Wait, this might be a hot take, but I absolutely hate restaurants where you have to go and cook the food yourself. I am okay with it if that's what the goal is. Like what is that called hot pot? Oh, Korean hot pot. Yeah.

Korean barbecue. Or the melting pot. Yeah. Like I don't like stuff like that. I like fondue, but I don't want to cook it myself. So you would not like the melting pot? No, I do not like the melting pot at all. Ike and I had gone to a Korean barbecue play, like a Korean hot pot last year.

It might have been the beginning of this year, but we didn't like it because we didn't know what to do. Like they didn't explain it to us well. They didn't tell us how to do it. We didn't know what I'm not familiar with Korean food. So I don't know. Like how we're supposed to cook this. and what goes together. Yeah.

So I don't know that. I would have loved for someone to come explain it to me and kind of walk me through the process. Yeah. But melting pot is self-explanatory and then the steakhouse was self-explanatory because they bring out all your sides, but you cook your steak to how you want it. And they give you the seasoning and the sauce on how you would want to do it.

But why can't they do it how you want to do it? That's also an option. They'll say on the menu, like you cook it yourself or we can prepare it for you, just let us know what you want to do. So you all did it more for the experience. Yes. Okay. And Elliot absolutely loved it. Like the experience we had at the Korean place, like it was like an hour from our house. They just threw us to the wolves and we didn't know what to do, even though we told them it was our first time. But then the one in London, they walked us through everything. They were super helpful. They like, I don't know. It was just like more attentive, I guess. The only time I've ever been to a Korean barbecue place. I just wanted to go to like have the experience to say that I had done it. But I went with Trent on a date night a couple of years ago. and it was like cool to see all this stuff and to be able to try so many things. But then the experience of actually cooking it on your own and not knowing what you're doing

and not knowing how to pair stuff and like what's the best things together. I didn't like that part. I would agree. Becky's a big noodles and ramen person. Yeah. And I always liked noodles and ramen. But it was always because it was ordered for me or done. for me.

Yeah. It took me being around Becky. Basically, she has showed me what to do and what to get. So now I'm like, I know how to do it. But I don't feel like the Korean barbecue spot by us says a good job of that. I think once you know the ropes, it's fine. But like I said, I don't know anything about it. So any tips and tricks for people that want to try ramen and don't know how?

Oh, you want me to give them? Yeah. Okay. So first you have to decide. Also for myself. Okay. Do you like noodles and ramen? I do.

Okay. But I don't know how to eat. eat it. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. So Becky's a spicy girlie. So she gets all the spicy stuff. I always ask for my like chili oil or my chili stuff on like on the side so I can add it to my own liking of spice because I like spice but not super hot. You have to decide do you like the thick noodles or the thin noodles. Do you want chicken or do you want beef or do you want pork? And then you can choose like what type of do you want an egg in there? Do you want what kind of meat? And then you put it all in there and sometimes you can get like, I don't like bean sprouts, but some people like

beans sprouts. Oh, I love bean sprouts. Some places will, if you get like delivery will separate the noodles and then you pour the noodles into the broth and everything will come separately and you build it yourself or some places you, if you're ordering delivery, will put it all together and then it's already kind of like cooked, but it's a little bit. The thing about separating it is the broth might cool before you get it. So then the noodles are not fully where you want them to be. And then like the things might not be hot enough. Al dente. Yeah, that would be like al dente.

Do you like al dente? I do. I love al dente. I, but there are times where I've had al dente that is like, okay, no, you didn't even cook it enough to be al dente. Yeah. So I've had that. I like prefers the softer noodle, but I don't like to eat my pasta like much.

Wait, should we do, um, a noodle video tonight? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Shouldn't we do that? We should. And we'll send it to Becky because she, she'll, she'll, she'll, she'll, She could rate our noodles.

And I think there's a noodle place not far from here. So I'll teach you what Becky taught me. I would love to. Okay. So this is culture clash. While you were in Europe, were there any funny, like, language moment? So like words or phrases that were used. Taking the piss.

Huh? Taking the piss. Is that like going pee? Are you taking the piss? Like, are you kidding me? Oh, wow. Taking the piss. Not a piss, the piss.

Are you taking the piss? And that means, are you kidding me? Yeah. Okay. What else was there? From what I heard, most people don't call the bathroom the bathroom. They call it the loo or the toilets. Oh, drinking, smoking.

Like here in the U.S., I feel like we kind of like, it's like more of like a taboo thing. Yeah. Over there, it's not. And then also at 16 years old, if you're with your parents, your parents can order you drinks. You can drink beer or wine. You can't have liquor, but you have to be accompanied by an adult. The 16 year old can't buy it themselves, but they are legally allowed to drink it. How do you feel about that? I'm sort of torn on it because obviously, you know, I'm a child of an alcoholic and drug addicts, so that's challenging for me. But I also feel like when you are

exposed to certain things like that younger, under a controlled environment with adults, you're less likely to go to college for the first time, be underage drinking while the fuck out because it's been slowly introduced to you in a less restrictive way with supervision. So I feel like in that way, it kind of desensitizes you to it a little bit. But I don't know what the long-term effects are of living in a place like that. Like, I don't know what the alcoholism rate is here versus in London. Like, I don't know. But I would imagine.

Like looking it up. Yeah, maybe. But. bet you it's lower. I also agree with that. Like if kids are exposed, and it's just my personal belief that if kids are exposed to it early on and learn how to do it responsibly, it's not necessarily a preventative measure, but it's more of a learn how to do it responsibly. So based on what Madison just looked up, the U.S. has a higher rate of alcoholism. than the UK. I came across the TikTok not too long ago and it was this guy talking about how he

partied for years and he was a big drinker and then he got sober and he looked back at and he was like, I'm not judging anyone. He's like, but drinking culture is so normalized in the U.S. is like every single thing involves drinks. So you're celebrating, you have a drink. You're going to bed, have a drink. You're going to dinner, have a drink. Someone's getting a business meeting or a business whatever. It's have a drink. Everything is accompanied with. having a drink. Get married. Have a drink. Graduates. Have a drink. Graduates. Like, it's just everything involved. So, like, when you think of it from both sides of the spectrum, it's like, wow, like, that is really weird. Like, why does everything have to include a drink?

Because everything is so celebrated, I feel like. But why is drinking associated? Why is all alcohol associated with celebrations? And I don't know who came up with it. No, I don't either. But like, since the beginning of time, that's like what it's been. And I think there's two ways to do it in America. You have to wait till you're 21 and it's this big thing and people are underage drinking anyway versus the UK where you start at 16 and you're slowly introduced to it in a controlled setting with your parents or a guardian. And then you're less like, I don't know. The whole thing is just so interesting to me. But don't get on to the topic of weed because weed is illegal and you can't do anything. Oh, really? Not in the UK. You can't smoke or have edibles or anything.

Okay, so did you do the whole afternoon tea? Did not do afternoon tea. Did do the London eye. Like if you're in London, go do the London eye. I did the fast track one. We were in and out within 30 minutes. Loved it. Cool.

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