Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - One Isn't Easier Than The Other

Episode Date: April 21, 2025

CC410: On this month's bonus episode... Lindsie and Kail answer questions straight from the Facebook group. Somehow that involves them looking up uncircumcised peen pics, asking themselves if everyone has a guilty conscience, and Lindsie and Kail give us the worst dates they've been on. And of course, it wouldn't be Coffee Convos Foul Play without a queef story.Thank you to our sponsor!Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first monthChime: Get started at chime.com/convosHers: Visit online today at Forhers.com/COFFEECONVOSIQBar: Get 20% off every IQBar product plus free shipping when you text CONVOS to 64-000. By Texting 64000, you agree to receive recurring automated marketing messages from IQBAR. Message and data rates may apply. No purchase required. Terms apply, available at IQBAR.com. Reply "STOP" to stop, "HELP" for helpWayfair: Visit Wayfair.com or get the Wayfair mobile app.Full video is available on Patreon: Patreon.com/kaillowrySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I really want you to be in your feels Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kaila and Lindsay.

Good morning. I'm a kitty and a kitty crew. I love that. I am a frazzled kitty this morning. So my friend Tom from the Dude Dads podcast came to pick up my camper and I got on Wayfair because I'm excited because I bought a new camper, which I was never going to do. I went to go order all of this stuff for the camper like new bedding, a mat for the shoes so you can wipe your feet off, some wall art

because I want it to be nice and homey, had a gift card for Wayfair and completely forgot to put in the Wayfair gift card and spent over $600. The gift card that I have was for $250 and I did not apply that to said $600. So I called Kristin in a panic and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Look what I just did. And she's like, honestly, just go in there and buy another $250 for this stuff. So that was where we're at this morning. I was struggling. Okay. Listen, there is nothing more exciting to me than going on a website, like Wayfair,

to decorate a space. Yes. Like all like fresh stuff. Well, so then I was like, this is my excuse to put the dishes that are in my house in my camper and then buy new dishes for in my house. Okay. So are you the type of person that likes to have fresh stuff like every once in a while? Because you don't like to look at the stuff that you had before. Yes. Yesterday when we got off the recording for Coffee Commons podcast, I'm sitting here wondering how can I get this office refreshed, revamped, re-all the things.

We were doing drawings, sketches. Kristin sent out a sketch. I'm excited. Wayfair is fantastic. If you're listening to this, go to Wayfair. Listen, it's so weird that you even said this because this morning, right before I got on this recording, I was on Wayfair because I did my whole decoration for my front porch. And I have like a little side entrance, but it's like much smaller scale. So I was on there trying to find stuff. What do you think about people who put figurines around places? I have this really cute figurine right here. This is a frog on a turtle's back. And this

was a gift to me from Heather Lohmeyer. This is the only figurine that I have, but I have seen people put things like this in their yard. Same. And I think if you do it very tastefully where it's like one cute thing in the corner somewhere that like matches the decor, fine. This fits right in because this, this is where I film book club. Turtles are our book club members and it was a gift. So like to me, this is perfect for this space. Now, if you're going to ask me, do I put those all over my yard? Absolutely the fuck not. Am I going to have them all over my porch, my front porch, my back porch? No, the fuck I am not. Okay. So I have to tell you, my biological mom's parents,

they go to all these craft fairs and shit. And you know those woodworkers that are, if you've ever been to a craft fair, they'll have out chainsaws and stuff and they're making shit out of wood? Yes. Please tell me why every time my grandparents go to a place like that,

they come back with another like statue thing. Yeah, I don't get it. I don't get it. Don't get the hype. What was the thought process when you were doing that? Yeah, I don't even have one for my campsite, but now that you say that, I might get one for like the campsites that we stay at.

I might get like a little, cause I have a sign that says, Kale in the chaos. Oh, that's cute. Yeah, it's like super cute. I'll take a picture of it. And so like when we park there, we like put the sign there. And then I might get like a little figurine but like that is specific to camping. I'm not going to have that in the house. But you know what? I might make one that's like a magnifying glass, maybe like a kitty with a magnifying glass for coffee

combos and sit it on like the little end table on the porch. Can you imagine like if I came to your house and you just had for like all the various different podcasts figurines all over the fucking place, I throw them away. You'd be like, Hey, Lindy, did you see somebody who stole these things? No, ma'am, I did not. That would actually be a really good prank. Should I start putting small little figurines like ordering them from wayfair and putting them in Will's yard and see how long it takes them to realize that somebody's done this?

Yes. I would love that. And I think you should film it and put it on TikTok. I might get like a bigger version of this for my campsite. That would be cute. I'll have to ask Heather where she got it because I keep it right here on my desk. Okay. So for this bonus episode, we are going to run a Q&A that specifically came from our Facebook girlies. Love that. So the first question is, what's the most embarrassing thing that you've ever Googled and I can honestly say my entire Google history is embarrassing. And if anybody ever took my phone at an immediate, urgent death,

they would be like, why was this girl not in a psych ward? My last Google history was when we looked up when men have STDs, do they get discharged because of our last episode? I don't want anyone to ever go through my Google history because I think I've Googled things like, what are the symptoms of colon cancer, specifically because I shit myself. Or felony. Yeah. Why is murder a felony? There are just questionable things where I have regularly thought about if I was implicated in a crime of some sort, or if someone tried to frame

me for murder, would my Google history do me dirty? Because in that case, I'm never killing someone. My guilty conscience, even when I've cheated on people in the past, has eaten me the fuck alive. I couldn't kill someone, but it scares me because if they Google, if they look up my Google history, my Google history might frame me. My own Google history might frame me. My, you know, my own Google history might frame me. Like yesterday, for example, I was Googling things like, is there an actual indeed killer in Atlanta going around? Is this Jeffrey Dahmer that is allegedly loose and Missouri? Like, do we have any leads on him?

Right. 100%. What does an uncircumcised penis look like? And what is dick cheese? Right. Because my group chat the other day, we talked about uncircumcised penises and we talked about one of my friend's exes getting a circumcision as an adult. And so from there, we were all Googling uncircumcised penises, which I don't give a fuck. Whatever you choose to do is your fucking business. But when I Google it, and then someone frames me for murder, it's like she killed him because she didn't know that he was uncircumcised. Do you know what I mean?

Like thousand percent. But have you ever seen an uncircumcised penis in person? No. I haven't either, but I knew a girl that dated a guy that had one in college and asked her a bunch of questions, which now looking back on it, I'm like, why would I ever do that? That's kind of rude. But the questions were like, well, do you peel it back like an onion? Is it like- A banana. Is that what you do? Like how do you get it

back so the head comes out? No, because I think when it's hard, when it's hard, you don't there's no skin to pull back. It's just fine. Like it looks normal, I believe. And I'm scared to Google it now like a heart an erect, uncircumcised penis. I'm gonna Google it. Erect, uncircumcised penis images. Oh, they are of course all blurred view image. Oh dear Lord. Okay. Why? Why do these pubes look like this? Is this a real wiener? Like, you see like the progression? Wait, can you like send that to me just so I can like fully zoom in? Yeah. Okay.

But it kind of looks like a finger. Like, okay, I'm sending it to you. The one with the skin like up, it covering the head kind of makes it look like a finger. It looks like a pig in a blanket. Yeah, it does kind of look like that. Okay, so that's what it would look like. Wait, so do you have to pull it? You have to pull it, okay.

So you do have to pull it back even when it's hard. Yeah, but I'm imagining that like, this is how you would do it, like, to like get it down. So did they do it or does the girl do it? Is that where the term dick cheese comes from? 100%. Do guys that have circumcised ones ever get dick cheese? Dirty ones. Have you ever seen dick cheese? I've never seen it. Could you imagine if you did? I feel like it would look like cottage cheese. Yeah, I would imagine. That line that girls get on their lips when we put chapstick on

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very specific. Like I was watching this girl yesterday on Tik Tok and I don't even know how I think it was looking at McDonald's stuff until it got my algorithm. It was like a PSA to people. She was eating in her car and she had a fish filet. Oh. McDonald's. Yeah. Do they still have those? Yeah. Oh, yeah. My dad used to be the king of ordering fish filets from McDonald's. I'm like, if there is one thing that I won't do ever in my life, that's order a fish fillet from McDonald's. Might do a lot, but that's like one thing

that I'm not doing. She was like, this is a PSA for anybody who follows me on TikTok. If you don't fuck with fish fillet from McDonald's, unfollow me right now. Not unfollow me right now. But here's the thing, it's a little sketch, right? Seafood in general, if you get it from somewhere that's sketchy or you're not sure how long it's been sitting out, you have to worry about it because you could get food poisoning. But also, and I love McDonald's, so this is No Shade and I eat their burgers. So I can't even talk shit. But I wouldn't worry as much about a fish filet at McDonald's because I would go out on a limb and say that it's probably not even real fish. But what would it be then?

I mean, what are their burgers? What are their chicken nuggets? I don't know. Remember back in the day where that person posted, it was a viral thing. It was like, this is a McDonald's burger that sat on a shelf for however, period, long of time. It was like a very long time and it looked the exact same. I legit didn't go to McDonald's for probably like at least six months. I love McDonald's. It's been a couple days since I've had McDonald's.

Days? Wait, this is like a regular occurring event for you. Yeah, I love McDonald's. Okay. Yeah. I can't eat it like that. My son also loves McDonald's and he loves the chicken nuggets. For a long period of time, I read that the chicken nuggets are like all white meat or something. Now they are. Yeah. So I'm like, I kind of feel better about him eating that than the burger. It's like pick

your poison. Yeah. But if I was choosing my death row meal, I feel like it would be a kale salad and chicken wings. I could get behind that. I could get behind a kale salad and chicken wings. I, I, yeah, I could get behind that. But I feel like when people are on death row, I hate. Yeah, I think I'm behind that. But I feel like when people are on death row, their meals are so specific and like vast, like stuff from different places. You know what I mean? It's not like just like a value meal for McDonald's. I wonder though, and maybe someone else could answer this for us. Is it are you only allowed to choose one thing or are you allowed to choose multiple things as

your last meal? Because if that's the case, like I'm getting a little bit of pad pad see you. I'm getting you know, curry rice, I'm getting something like I'm getting Indian food, I'm getting garlic naan, I'm getting buttered chicken and chicken tikka masala, like I'm getting all the things for my last meal and taking a couple of bites. Or is it like you can only have like one thing? Is it like you can only get stuff from McDonald's or you can only get stuff from KFC or just Taco Bell? Right. Or are you allowed to get stuff from like every restaurant that is around? Because that

is the case that changes the meal. Because I need a smorgasbord. I need a plethora of little bites from every single thing. But I'm going to be completely honest with you. The thoughts of me being on death row knowing that it's my last meal, I'm probably not going to care about eating. Yeah. See, I think about that too. I also, if I'm on death row, I didn't do it. Like I didn't fucking do it. I'm never putting myself in that position. What do you mean you didn't do it? I didn't do it.

So you have been improperly convicted. I have been wrongfully convicted. The Innocence Project did not, were not able to help me, but I didn't do it. My guilty conscience would not allow me to do something to whatever capacity they think that I did something to end up on death row. Whatever it was, you guys have my fucking word, right hand to Brianna, I didn't do it. Okay, so you had said something about your guilty conscience earlier. Do you think that everybody has an actual- No, no. Not everyone has a guilty conscience and different people have different varying degrees of a guilty conscience because I think that people do a really good job justifying why they did

X, Y, and Z. And as I get older, I realize it's almost like my guilty conscience comes back to haunt me later on more so. And not that it keeps me up at night or anything, but there are two X's that I have, and I've said this before and I'll say it again. I would say on a weekly basis, literally weekly, I think about how awful I was to them. And I don't know if it's because of other things that I've been through in life that really made me reflect. I don't know. I am trying to, I talk about someone within the last year and to this day,

feel bad about what I said. And now every time I'm like, not sure. Like I want to make sure that if I'm going to say something about someone, it's respectful. And if I'm going to say it about someone, I need to be able to say it to them. And so I try to be very careful about that now. And I just don't, I don't know if it's me getting older. I don't know if it's me with life experience. I don't know if it's karma that has come back, not tenfold, but fucking 20 fold. I don't know. But there are people who are out here in the streets, same age as me that don't give a fuck. Oh, there's someone at the egg stand. But is there a difference between conscience and hindsight? You know, like, is it actually your conscience or is it because you look back on the situation and now you know better?

Maybe both. Maybe both can be true. But I definitely think there are people that will be out here just riding dirty in the streets and they do not give a fuck. 1000% I know several people that are like that and it's like a conscience does not exist. It's whatever is for the benefit of that person. I feel like you and I share this trait in common that we're the hardest on ourselves. You think? Is there anyone in your life that you would, if you saw them out on the street today, you would say, I'm sorry for X, Y, and Z or like you would apologize? Because there's the two people that I'm thinking of. If I saw them on the street today, I don't care if they're with their new significant others. Like I would walk up to them and say,

I'm sorry, you did not deserve that. You know what I mean? Yes, there's one person I can think of, but just one. Just one. I hope, here's the thing, if there's more than those two people that I'm thinking of that need an apology from me, I would be willing to look at the situation and reevaluate and reflect, but not off the top of my head.

I'll out myself. The one person is Will Campbell. Really? And I think it's because and I was having to explain this to somebody the other day. They were like you and will sometimes like bicker back and forth like siblings. And I said, Yeah, it's like a weird dynamic because we knew each other since we were basically kids. Yeah.

So it's almost like we always look at each other like 18 year old Lindsay and Will. And so we've always kind of argued in that way. That makes sense. And so it'll be like below the belt stuff. And I mean, I'm not the only guilty one for the below the belt stuff. You've seen text messages, Kristin's seen text messages. And I'm like, why would that was like so out of pocket? Like, why did that have to happen? And then, you know, I've got a fire back, then he has to fire back. And

then the next day, I wake up and I go back and review the text messages. And I'm like, I'm so sorry for saying that. Like, I don't know what possessed me. I don't know what crawled into my soul. I don't know. It's so I don't know what crawled into my soul. I don't know. It's hard because you grew up with Will basically. Neither one of your frontal lobes was formed when you all got together. And then when you all ended, you were different people. So I don't know. For me on the outside, when I see y'all's text messages, I mean, you're both quick witted. That is one thing that I'm obsessed with. And it is so entertaining.

Sadly, to say that's why I tell you, you are Rose and he is Connor Cobalt in the book that I'm reading. I'm on book four, by the way. And you are Rose Calloway and he is Connor Cobalt. Listen, I feel like he is quick witted in a different way than I am. Like Will can be way faster than me at certain stuff. And I'm like, we're like, I'm trying to decipher what he's even talking about. He's like, you're so dumb. Yeah, I know. That's why I'm asking. Neither one of you are dumb. You're both really fucking smart. You know, I think that that's probably some of Jackson's problem is there's a lot of brain going on

up there. Do you ever think about that with your kids? Some of the kids that you have, if they misbehave, do you feel like it's because their brain's working faster than it probably should be? Credo mello Lowry Lopez. Yeah. Yeah. And it drives you nuts, right?

I go all day long. Yeah. But because Creed Romelo is five steps ahead of me in his own brain. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then you're like,

but how did you get five steps ahead of me when you're so much smaller than me? You're like, do you have enough life? Yeah, he doesn't have enough life experience to be that far ahead, but he is. We talked about Wayfair and I absolutely love Wayfair. I cannot wait to decorate my new camper and it is home project season.

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The teacher sees me on the way out and she goes, yeah, sorry about that. I said, no, I had no idea he brought protein to school. I'm thinking to myself the night before he said, I want Prati. Prati, he kept saying. Prati before he said, I want Prati, Prati. He kept saying, Prati. And I said, what are you talking about? And he's like, it's like cake. And I said, what are you talking about? Cake batter, premier protein cake batter. And he's like, I want Prati. And I have no idea what he says. And Lux looks at me and he goes, he wants protein. He wants protein. This is your daily reminder

that kids are smarter than we give credit for and they will bring protein to school and they will pick up on your habits and they will take it in front of people and do it in front of people. So thankfully this was a happy habit. I'm proud to drink protein every day, but Creed was dead set on having pro-tea at school. But how did he get the Prati to the school? Because it's in my mini fridge right here in my office so that I'm having- You mean he popped it and took it to the school? Yep.

Listen, he's a little shy-sty guy. Shy-sty. I love him. Shy-sty. Okay, next question. Have you met a celebrity that left you disappointed? I have. I have met a celebrity that the team let was disappointing. The people that surround them. Yes, was was so unprofessional and so

like, who do you think you are kind of deal? Mm-hmm Mine was in I was still a child when I met a celebrity. It was Jessica Simpson back in the day when she dated Tony Romo What happened my parents had a beach house and so we would go there all summer long and They were staying at a beach house that was close to the club that we were members of. I guess through their rental, they had access to said club. So they were down on the beach, and I'm sure at that time was probably very annoying for them as a couple trying to vacation, people coming up on the beach, asking for photos, whatever. He was super nice and willing

to do it and she wasn't at all. And that is an example to me of like at that time, she wasn't making music, she wasn't really doing a whole lot that we know of. I mean, I don't know what her involvement is in the Jessica Simpson brand if she still even owns it or whatever. That is sort of like the team that I encountered for this one celebrity. And it was just like, this person is not even relevant. You're acting as if this person is still as relevant as the peak of their career. And it's been so many years and it's so far gone. I feel like two things can be true. I think that people that have high

celebrity status should be able to live their lives as normal people. To an extent. If you are at a highly populated beach with a demographic in that area that would be fans of both of you, and you're putting yourself in that situation at that point, I'm like, okay, you signed up for this. Yeah, because if you wanted privacy, you should go to Turks and Caicos or Aruba or wherever is going to be more private. Or get a rental with a pool. Fair. I mean, you know, fair. And, you know, there have definitely been times where people

have come up to me where I wasn't super excited about it. But usually it's like mid bite. And it's like, can you just wait until I'm done eating? Like just common sense things? I don't know. It used to be my dad's like favorite when people would come up and never have I ever seen anybody in my family say no if somebody asked for a photo. But the best tagline that people give when they come up to a table that you're eating at, at a family meal is, I hate to bother you. It's like, no, you don't because you are. Like maybe wait until you're done. Yeah. Yeah, I get that. But then they're scared. Like what if you leave before they get it? Which understood. Listen, anyone listening to this

podcast, if I'm mid eating, I would rather you come up to me and ask for a picture mid eating than to take pictures of me eating. Oh, see, that's the worst. If you have ever been tagged in a photo where somebody has taken a picture of you from a photo, it's like, okay, that's embarrassing. Like, mouth open. Yeah. Cheek full of food.

Yeah. Like just very undesirable look. Like, can you please just not do that? Agreed. Do you remember back in the day when we were just like the little 90s kids, we had hit clips, like we were so cool. We got a razor scooter, took off our kneecaps, our ankles. Okay, well now all of these kids have electric scooters. Okay, so they never are going to live in a day where they are riding like what we rode, which is kind of sad because I feel like that was like such a big part of our childhoods.

It was. I mean, just being outside in general, I feel was a huge, that's crazy that you brought that up because now that I'm thinking about it, so I don't know if they have it where you live, but here they have a lot of neighborhoods where it's like the same builder builds every single house. We have pretty big ones here. We're talking like 100 plus houses in one neighborhood, right? So Lux's tutor lives in one of these neighborhoods. We've been in tutoring for almost five months now.

It never really dawned on me because it's been the winter time. Last night when I'm driving him to the tutor's house, we were a little bit early, so I just drive around the neighborhood. I don't want to sit outside her house and then she feels anxious about it. I was like, let me just drive around the neighborhood for a little bit. No kids outside. It was nice outside yesterday. It was between 60 and 65 degrees outside. Not a single, not one child was out on their bikes, on their scooter, playing basketball in the driveway, on rollerblades, even sitting on the porch.

And I remember thinking to myself, because it's daylight until like 830 at night, I remember sitting like just driving and I'm like, wow, there's really like, because I have a lot of guilt for not raising my kids in a neighborhood like that, because I do think that they're kind of missing out on the childhood, you know, being around other kids and we know where I live is there. We don't have that. So I know that when Lincoln lived in a neighborhood like that with his dad, they were outside all the time. His best friend to this day came from one of hobbyist neighborhoods. That's always over here. You know what I mean? So I'm thinking to myself, wow, this neighborhood, this, this neighborhood has probably 150 houses in it and not one single kid outside.

I just remember when we were little kids, I feel like we would get off the bus or home from carpool and it was go in, get a snack, get outside. Don't let me see your face until the street lights come on. Yep. Right? Yep. So Jackson's little friends all have these electric scooters and they want to ride them all over the neighborhood. I love that. Please tell me why every single week since that electric scooter has been bought, which has now been taken apart into pieces at Will's because Will took it apart for all the menace behavior. Why are y'all at the clubhouse, like where golfers are trying to golf and act like y'all are going up there to get a beer? Are they allowed in the clubhouse?

Yeah, they're allowed because they serve food. But like, why are y'all up there acting like y'all are grown? Oh, dad, we're just gonna go meet at the clubhouse. Like, no, you're actually not. I love that. Listen, if I could build a house on the golf course here, I would. Also, why on the same week did you come home to your dad's house soaking wet

from being near a pond that you have been told multiple times not to be near? And why did you come home at my house soaking wet from where you've been near a pond that you were told not to be in? I never even asked a question because I already knew the answer to what he had done. Will asked him and he goes, oh, I must have got wet from a puddle. Well, a whole body of water, sir. If Jackson comes here, he'll be out there with them kids

in that dirty duck water, poop water. Okay, next question. What's one thing that you've learned from each other during your friendship? Power in the paws. I would say that don't take life like a dick because it's not that hard. You know what? I went for coffee with someone the other day and he looked at me and he said, Kale, life is not as hard as we make it out to be. He said we make choices that make our

lives harder. And I never related to anything more. I 1000% agree with that. And I feel like watching you through our friendship with as many situations that you've been through and now have a collection of seven children, I really check myself sometimes and I'm like, you know what? I just have one ex-husband and I just have one child. But see, but that to me, I'm like, you can't one up, right? Like, or one down, like your experience with one ex-husband and one child can be so hard.

And my situation with four and seven can be hard too. And we don't have to say one is harder than the other. They're different. What one person can handle versus what another person can handle or go through. They're not going to be the same. They're both hard. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. We've talked about therapy time and time again on this podcast, and I cannot express to you enough how much therapy has changed my life, but let's talk about numbers. Traditional in-person therapy can cost anywhere from $100 to $250 per session,

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But I regularly just look at situations, whether it be business or motherhood or just like life things in general. And I'm like, okay, well, in comparison, my stuff's really fucking easy compared to Kale. But is it? I feel like we've dealt with different things, but like same things too. Just like presented in package, like wrapped up like very different, right? I don't think that your situation is easier compared with mine. It's just that that is really hard for you because you only have one child and one ex-husband. So I don't think

it's because it's compared to me. That's difficult. Going through a divorce and raising a child and co-parenting and navigating you and Will today versus when you guys were together is still just as fucking hard as anything that I'm going to go through. It's just that I have, I don't think you can compare is what I'm trying to say. But you have more situations. I think we have dealt with some stuff that are similar things, but they were like packaged and wrapped very differently. Yeah, I would agree with that. And I also think that I still am in a place where I struggle so much knowing that, and

Kristin hates when I say this, but I'm going to say it anyway, a failed marriage. I think, and I have accepted the fact that that is something that I will struggle with for the rest of forever because why? You know what's interesting when you say that? You did not make the same mistake again, because Jackson's what? 12? Yep. You did not make those same choices again and again and again. And I just wonder what

the difference is between, because obviously I would never take any of my children back. I love my children. Whether I plan to get pregnant or didn't. I wonder why you didn't get in a relationship with someone else, choose to have a baby, get pregnant unintentionally, where I turned around and I did it so many times after. What is the psychology behind that? Well, I think it's what we talk about in therapy a lot that until you're ready to fully learn the lesson that you have been presented the situations you've been presented with that you're gonna keep doing the same thing over and over until you learn it. I don't think that

makes me a faster learner by any means but I think because I so struggled and still struggle to this day deeply about my divorce and the fact that my child's in two different homes, I have been diagnosed with an adjustment disorder. Like I don't adjust well to change and I don't adjust well with situations knowing that I did something that I failed at. I feel like you adjust and it's probably because if I had to guess your childhood and how chaotic that was, that the chaos that you feel like you've created isn't bigger than what you were already accustomed to. Right. Okay. So it's more nature versus nurture, right? Like had I been nurtured differently,

I might have made the same choice that you have, which was to not go on, get, you know, get into another relationship, have another child and continue that pattern where like for me is sort of, no, I guess nature and nurture because the way that I grew up is the same thing way that I can. I do when people say that I break cycles, like I'm highly aware that I have not broken many cycles, right? Like there are a couple that I think I have where I'm choosing, you know, when I do everything that I do for my kids, in some ways I've broken those cycles. But in terms of the chaos and in terms of men, I have repeated the same cycles that my mom

put me through. And so I do through. Then there's the trolls that are like, oh, Kale doesn't learn, Kale, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, I'm aware. I know. I'm aware. But I think two things can be true. You might not have learned the lesson, but again, situations presented themselves to you packaged very differently. So maybe at the time you were making those decisions, it looked very different. 1000%. I actually just had a conversation with my friend about that the other day. It was like we were talking about his situation with his daughter. And I said, sometimes you

really don't know someone until you become a parent with them. And I don't care how many years you were with them before you had the child. You don't know that person until you become a parent with them. And I don't care how many years you were with them before you had the child. You don't know that person until you have been forced to raise a child with them, whether you're with like staying together or separated. I think the statement is also true and wouldn't tell people, oh, get a divorce so that you can know someone. But I don't think you know someone truly to their core until you've divorced them. Also that when presented with really hard challenges and you're not doing them together necessarily, you'll learn somebody very quickly. One thing because I feel like there have been situations and not many, but there have been situations that I have been in with Will that I know if we were still married, we would

have seen eye to eye on multiple things that we no longer do because we feel like we have the freedom to have choice. Yes. 1000%. What's crazy too, that when you say stuff like that, and then I think of like my situation with Javi, Javi and I make way better decisions not together than we did together. Really did together. Really? Yeah. But do you feel like it's because you both feel like you have equal choice?

Yeah, we both are 50%. I mean, he even emailed me the other day and was like, he had Lincoln and was like, oh, Lincoln got this. Or like, we don't gatekeep our child's milestones. I feel like I know if there was ever an emergency, knock on wood, there's not, but we're not, I don't know how to describe it. And I don't know why it's so different with the other dads sometimes, but it's like, I just don't feel, hobby doesn't make me feel like less of a parent. He doesn't make me feel like he thinks he's more of a parent. It's

just, I don't know. we've always just been equal. But I feel like it's the dynamics with people, right? Like I don't necessarily think that it's because you have kids with someone you could still argue with an ex until the end of time after a breakup, even without kids. I think it really is the dynamic of people and the mixing of personalities. And then I also think there's something to be said for two parents that want the same thing for their child and whatever they want for their child is the best thing that they know is for their child. And I think that you and Javi have that common ground. I would agree with that. Okay, next question. What is something you both agree to disagree on?

I can think of one off the top of my head. Religion, the moon landing. Religion, the moon landing and the Menendez brothers. Oh, yeah. Did you actually see what Rosie O'Donnell, what Rosie O'Donnell said about them? No. Oh my God. Hold on. Because I was shook. As we all know, Rosie O'Donnell is a lesbian. But she, hold on, let me pull it up. Because I was shook.

I was like- Oh, Rosie O'Donnell was canceled or something. Yeah, but some people come back from their cancellations. Like I hadn't seen anything about her in a beat. Rosie O'Donnell says, Lyle Menendez is the first straight man she's loved and reveals surprising relationship. Wait, is that a hoax?

No. Where is like the footage or the quotes? Hold on, I'm gonna send it to you right now. Isn't that crazy? So wait, they have like some type of relationship. Hold on. And does that mean that she's bi? I am not sure how she would identify at this point, but I will say that for me, I love people. I would never say like I'm bi or straight or gay. It's just like, I love people. If I fall in love with a man, if I fall in love with a woman. So I don't know if that's like how she would identify or not. But this is on People Magazine. Rosie O'Donnell details her surprising

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that she was sexually abused by her father as a child. Quote, at that point, I had not ventured anywhere near this in my family or in my therapy, she told the Times. And then she continued to advocate for the brothers. And I don't, oh, quote, then he started calling me on a regular basis from the tablet phone thing they have. He would tell me about his life, what he's been doing in prison. For the first time in my life, I felt safe enough to trust and be vulnerable and love a straight man. Wow.

Well, good for her and good for Lyle. But I don't know if that means that... I don't know if people are twisting it to be like an in love kind of thing. Right. Or- Like you can have love for someone, but not be in love with them. Exactly. Are there people that you have ever been in a relationship with that you thought you were

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Okay, last question before we do foul play. This person says, what's the worst date each of you have been on? I went on a date with this trainer. I didn't go on a date. I did go on a date. It was kind of a date. We went to dinner at this Mexican spot

and then we ended up going back to his house, which ended up being a room in someone else's house. And before he went in for the kill, he lathered his hands up to his elbows and his beard and his mouth with hand sanitizer and then tried to. Tried to what? He tried to eat your cat?

Yeah. I mean, he literally was like this, like putting it all over up to his elbows. And then vividly remember this. Not vaguely, vividly. Like where are we going, sir? We're going to go eat in a hand sanitizer lab Like what are we doing? I can honestly say the worst date that I have ever been on But I didn't feel like it was bad at the time, but it's kind of like the hindsight thing was when I

Thought I was dating suburban dad, but he actually had a girlfriend. Did we ever talk about this? I feel like we did. Not this date. I don't think. Okay. So let me stop you there because that also happened to me in the past. When you're already that far invested in said, like basically relationship and you find out they have a girlfriend, what do people expect us to do?

Because to this day, I get shit because they will say, you knew he had a girlfriend. No, ma'am. No, ma'am. I did not find out he had a girlfriend until I was so fucking far invested. We already had a miscarriage. We've already been pregnant. What do I do at that point? What do you do?

Well, I'm contacting a girl and letting her know that unfortunately, unforeseen circumstances, this is how this all played out. I don't want to be targeted for this. I had no idea about any of this that was going on. I'm going to get myself out of that situation. Yeah. However, I did not have situations present themselves in the same way of what you are describing. So I feel like you had much more of an emotional investment in that person at that point. Fair.

I could kind of cleave way because we didn't plan to have a kid. I don't think I had met his kids at that point, so it was fine. It just felt very sneaky now looking back on it. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah, completely. Completely. Why were we in a back booth at a restaurant that he regularly never went to?

Why was I only able to see him on like very sporadic days? And like the plans would be, hey, can we go to dinner tonight? Like that morning, I should have picked up on those signs. So that not that the company will actually have the company was bad. But that makes all of those dates bad because it just feels like icky, you know? This circles us back to the whole conversation about a guilty conscience. If you have to be that calculated to take someone out, to be in a relationship with them, to go out in public with them, you don't have a guilty conscience. Obviously, you have some sort

of conscience. You have some sort of guilt there because you're not going to go out in public with them. You don't have a guilty conscience. Obviously you have some sort of conscience. You have some sort of guilt there because you're not going to go through the lengths of planning the backbooth or being sporadic or you're waiting to find out what your significant other is doing before you can go make plans with another person. But you don't have a guilty conscience. That's what's so terrifying about situations like that because I can remember now looking back on it, I had taken Jackson on spring break to Florida and this was probably one of our first vacations like post divorce. So I was with some girlfriends.

I invited a couple of girlfriends to come with me. I didn't want to like feel like I was alone and I knew that he was taking his kids to another part of Florida. So I would get sporadic text messages like throughout the day, but there was never a, you know, like how you feel like somebody's being sneaky on text where you might hear from them. And then it's like five hours goes by, but like you're still active in a conversation and then they text back like five hours later.

Yep. Feeling very sus. active in a conversation and then they text back like five hours later. Feeling very sus. That's what was transpiring and I was getting pictures of him and his kids on spring break but come to find out the girl was actually with them on spring break and he hid the album from me on Facebook that she was in, because when she and I finally talked, she screenshot all of it. And she was like, you knew that he had a girlfriend. And I said, no ma'am, I never saw this album.

I never saw you in any photos. But she could see it from her POV. Yes. You can hide certain things from certain people. So you never saw them. Correct. So to you, if he posted you, you would have probably been able to see it because he hit it only from certain. That's next level.

Listen, it's, it's giving serial killer. Okay, well, this was fine. I actually want to continue some of these questions on our next episode. But for time's sake, we have foul play. So finally, I've got a foul play. I'm the kind of shy girl in the bedroom. I'm kind of a shy girl in the bedroom because of my size. And it's taken me a while to get comfortable with my husband seeing all of me like that. The other day, we just finished a hard and fast quickie and I was laying on the sofa. My husband is looking at my body and puts his face right close to me trying to sort of look at my vagina. I jokingly tell him to get out of there when

out of nowhere a 45 second long 45 seconds I kid you not I counted in Mississippi's queefs erupts right in his face. I started cackling and my husband did as well. Love you ladies real bad and so excited to finally have a foul play to share with the kiddies. Okay, but why? Why are queefs so embarrassing and why are farts so embarrassing? You know what? I don't know. But like why? So because people will think they're farts. And have you ever like had a quickie in the

morning or just had like a You've had sex in the morning and then you're queefing like for hours after the fact You're just like getting up and you walk and it's like Do you know what I mean? Well, like what kind of dick are you taking? Clearly just packing in the air. I don't know. It's like maybe is it the position is it the angle remember that one time when I was dating somebody and they made me queef. I said, well, maybe if you were killing me with dick and not air, we were having that problem. He got so upset and offended.

Well, I almost said that to someone. I almost said that to him and it was like, don't ever do that again. Don't ever do that again. But do you think about the girls that literally don't give a fuck? Like how do you get to that point of life? Like I wish that I could grow up to be that where it's like, if I've got to fart, I'm going to fart. And if I've got to queef, I'm just going to be walking him. I don't know. That couldn't be me. But do you wish that you could get there or you like where you're at?

I like being aware and I don't want to be walking around queefing and giving. I want to be mindful. Wait. So what was this time that you were walking and just like queefing? Yeah. It was like a morning session. But it was like, now that I'm like hindsight is always 2020. And so now I realized like the angle and like how the air might have been being compacted in there. And so when I got up and I went to brush my teeth, there's a queef and then I'm walking to the kitchen and there's a queef. And it's like, I can't be walking my son into school after this. And there's fucking queefs

with every step I take. I can't have that happen, especially because people do know who I am. So it's not like you're just a ret like, do you know what I mean? It just adds another layer of humiliation. Could you imagine the headline kill Lowry queefing through the school as she drops sons off? Like that is my worst nightmare. That's honestly so offensive. Because they wouldn't say queefing. They would think that I was farting.

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