Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Overcompensating & Unpopular Parenting Opinions

Episode Date: September 5, 2024

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I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convoes with Kail Lowry and Lindsay Crissly. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Hello. I wish people could hear us before we go live. I need some rip fill. on this really thin lip when I smile so that when I come to coffee combos,

I look full and in charge. Do you know what I mean? I don't even want to get into the conversation of lip filler, but here we are, so we're going to do it. The amount of people saying I have too much filler in my lip, goodbye. No, I'm getting more filler in my lip.

So I don't know when I'll have time to do it because I have to drive two hours to get decent lip filler. But I will keep you posted on my lip filling journey. will be getting lip filler in my top lip. Can I tell you what I'm doing to prepare for your tour? For our tour, we are doing a tour date. It's not me, it's us. It's us.

I am, for everyone who missed it, I am joining kale in Texas for a tour date and super excited about it. I'm putting my extensions back in for it. Oh yeah, that's right. I'm excited to see what you do with the extensions. Like you could do so much when you have longer hair, so I'm excited to see. what you do. Oh yeah. I'm going to be going all out for this. So for those of you who have not gotten your tickets, there might not be any left by the time that you hear this. But if there's not,

there's other dates, other places, and maybe I'll appear. Yeah. It's very possible. It's very possible. But I have to tell you something. Okay. So we're heading into spooky season, right? Like not a big Halloween girly, but I'm like down to like stay home and watch movies. And I love thriller, suspense type vibes. Right. So I don't know if you know this about me. we all know who and what Beetlejuice is, right? Like we all know of this. We all know who he is. We've seen the branding.

We've seen all of the things. I had never in my life. I knew that you say his name three times, Beetlejuice, beetle juice, beetle juice, but I actually think I heard that in a song, like a rap song maybe. I'm not entirely sure. But long story short, had never actually seen the movie.

I had only ever seen the branding and know who he is. That is fantastic brand awareness, marketing. Love that when people can identify these fucking characters and things without seeing the movie. the movie. Me, Elijah, Lincoln, Lux, and I think Creed were watching Beetlejuice. What the fuck, in fact, did I just watch? Wait, is there not a new Beatle Juice coming out? That's why we watched it because I saw that Jenna Ortega is doing, she played Wednesday in a like live rendition of the Adam's family. Loved that so much. She's also in the new Beetle Juice. So when I saw that and I got this Velvet Caviar, Beetlejuice branded phone stuff, I was like, oh, like, let me finally as a 32

year old adult watch Beetlejuice. Was not anything that I expected. Can you tell me about it? Because I've never watched Beetlejuice, but the only reason that I know that there's a new movie coming out was because when I went to go and see the Colleen Hoover movie, there was a, like, I don't know, what do they call it, like promo? Yeah. For the new movie.

And I saw Wednesday Adams on there. And I was like, oh, that might be something that I could get behind, even though I'm not into spooky season. I'm not into that stuff. Will and I watched Wednesday together. I don't know if I ever told you that. I don't think so. I think I knew that you watched it, but I don't think that I knew that you watched with, I mean, if you told me, I forgot about it. Well, Jackson says that I'm Wednesday Adams.

Oh, okay. You just don't have black hair. Got it. Yeah. So I loved Wednesday. So I was like, maybe I want to go and see it. it because she's in that movie. But was it weird?

Because from the promo, it looked like there was so much going on that I couldn't follow. And I don't know if there's like something that I need to watch before I would watch that. I've never seen the promo for the new one. I just know that that's like happening. The original Beetlejuice, I think was made in like the 80s. It wasn't even like a 90s thing. It was like an 80s like what we would know today as low. But it's definitely a classic.

and I get it. Like, I get that. But I also was like, what is happening here? I think you should watch it before you watch the second one. The second one comes out and we're not getting paid for this in any way shape or form. But the second one comes out on the 6th, September 6th. So if you guys are listening to this and you wanted to go see it, that's when it comes out. I definitely, definitely suggest watching the first one just so you can understand, like,

the hype around Beetlejuice, Beetle Juice, Beetle Juice. But like, what's it about? it's about ghosts so basically what and it's like sort of funny it's sort of like a parody I get I don't know that for sure that's just how I interpreted it um so there's this house that people live in and the ghosts keep like scaring them so they move out and so this final family comes in and the daughter befriends the ghost and she can see the ghosts and the ghost basically invite this family specifically to stay in that house but with that comes like all kinds of kinds of things that they need beetle juice for, but beetle juice is actually like a troublemaker. And so he's not like a Casper the friendly ghost type vibe. He's like actually a problem. And like if you take him out, you have to put it back in. And so calling him beetle juice, beetle juice, beetle juice, beetle juice brings him out to cause trouble.

Do we believe in ghost? Depends on the day that you ask me, honestly. Like some days I'm like, okay, I could see spirits really being present. like souls energy like all of that because like when you die because like right like when I'm asleep like you can still feel my presence right like you might love me might hate me but you feel me and so I feel like when you die it has to be the same right like where does the spirit go where does the soul the energy from one's dead does that just die with the corpse like I don't know so I think it just depends on the day that you ask well from a biblical standpoint your body on earth

earth goes away, but your soul goes to heaven. Okay. So if we're looking at it from, we'll say, a scientific standpoint, all things have energy, right? Like, all things have that. So when the physical body of someone is no longer working and no longer alive, where does the energy from that person's body and soul, like, where does it go? Like, what does it do from a scientific? is scientific a word, from a scientific standpoint, like what happens?

I'm conflicted on it, honestly, because I know, like I said, from a biblical standpoint, your soul goes to heaven. But I still kind of believe in energies and I still believe in the fact that you are still existing in some form somewhere, your physical body is just no longer here. Like you see signs of people, places. You can't convince me. otherwise. But I was thinking maybe like say I was to pass away in my sleep or something, the energy that came from my body, like does it just sort of scatter into the air and into

like does it just scatter and kind of what is the, is the word dissipate? Does it diso? Yeah, like dissipate. I don't know. I don't know either. I would love to know from like an actual, I don't even know who studies this stuff. So I can't even, I'm not educated it. enough to know. And like I'm not into witchcraft and like being spooky and stuff like that. I just feel like that's energies that I don't want to tap into or touch. But at the same time, I told you, like, we've always had oven issues in like every one of our houses, starting after my granddaddy passed away and his and my nanny's home, then in my parents home, then in my old house. And I'm just waiting for something to happen to my oven at my new house.

Like there are weird things or like seeing a cardinal, for example, or seeing a dragonfly. I'm convinced that every single time I see a dragonfly like hover over my car. I'm like, oh, that's a protection of my papa. No, I get that. I fully under like I completely, some people think like dimes or like other little reminders of somebody is like a sign. And I'm not saying it's not. I personally don't know if I've experienced that. Maybe I have.

Maybe I haven't. But I get it. No, I think. But also is it when you are experiencing those things? Is it because you are subconsciously seeking some type of connection with that person? And so you've kind of like manifested that situation. Does that make sense? Yeah. No, I get that too. And I think there has definitely been times where I'm like, oh, like that's like a figment of my imagination. But other times I'm like, I couldn't have possibly been looking for that. Do you know what I mean? Or like if I see something, it's like, oh, that was because of this. I don't know.

Like, I don't know. Well, while we're on this topic, I haven't asked you about your crystals in a really long time and you haven't talked about them in a really long time. Are they still a thing or have books kind of taken over? No. The crystals are in the case directly across from my computer right now. Like, I can see them. So they're very much present and in this space. I also have, like, I don't want to call it an altar, but like in my regular living room, I have this little shelf that has because you're not really supposed to have the crystals out on display because it's people's energy.

Fuck with your crystals energies and then you have to cleanse them and like it's not really great So I do have like a small little altar out in the living room, but those have to be like cleansed regularly But I just mainly keep in my office because this is really where I am and I don't think that they need to be out for everyone to see all the time Well can I confess to you about something? Yeah I threw all my crystals away. No, you didn't. Yeah, I did. No, you didn't. Yeah, I did. No, you did not. I did. Lindsay. you know how to get in your car and go to the post office, correct? Yeah, but remember when we had that conversation a long time ago and you were

essentially unhinged about people touching your crystals and like the energy and the transfer and like all the stuff? This was when you were like deep into your crystalling. So you never thought, oh, you know what? Let me send these to kale. No, because here's my thought behind it. If I would have sent them to you and something bad happened, you might be. be so psycho on that day and unhinged that you would say that's because Lindsay sent me those

fucking crystals. I cannot believe you threw them in the trash. I did. I don't know how I feel about that. Like that might be bad juju for you. Well, judging off of the fact that my life is an absolute shambles and I'm sitting in my ex-husband's kitchen doing this right now. Sounds like that was a bad idea. There's evidently a lot of bad ideas that I've had. of late that have gotten me to the point of where I'm at. So that could be one of them. They actually got thrown away a while, like a while again. Okay, so this is absolutely a result.

Where you are at in life right now is absolutely a result of throwing your crystals in the trash several weeks ago or months ago. Like, I don't know. Like, what was the thought? I don't know who I am. I don't know who you are anymore. I don't know who you are anymore. Okay, well, the thought process was this.

You know how people talk about, oh, you need to sage your house to get all the bad energies out or whatever? Yeah. And I'm like, fuck the saging. I'm moving, right? Because the sage just seems like it might not work. So I just need to go to a new location and start some new traumas there, right? So in the process of that, when I was doing my weeding out, I was like, I'm going to take everything that might have, like, bad energy on it and, like, not take it to my new house. I never thought about cleaning these crystals.

I don't even know what that would look like. Are you putting them underwater? I didn't do any research on that. So I was like, you know what? They're just going to go to the trash. And then I will restart a crystal collection. But I don't even know that I'm a worthy person to be a recipient of a crystal because I threw them away. I don't know that you should be trusted to have more crystals if you're throwing them away with negative energy.

Because you can charge them under the moon, a full moon. You can also charge them with moon water. you can also just, there are so many ways to have cleansed to them. Here's no way. If you sit on this podcast right now and tell me that you have taken your crystals outside during a full moon, you haven't. You don't have to take them outside. You can put them on the window sill.

So you're telling me that you've seen a full moon and you go and get your little crystals out of the case and you put them on the window seal and you're like, oh, they're recharged and ready to go. Are you out of your sucking mind? Are you? You threw them in the trap. Oh my God. I just, I truly cannot understand why you would do that. And you didn't even offer them to me, which already I feel a little bit slighted. You have enough crystals and you, I can promise you based off of the energy that were trapped in those, those have been through a marriage, a tumultuous relationship and a heartbreak. Okay. So you do not need those at all. I have. If I literally, if I could turn this computer around, I would show you. I probably could sell them for a small fortune.

We're kind of now getting into the conversation about people thinking that they could do the same thing with Beanie Babies in the 90s. And that's just not an avenue that I'm willing to go down. I'm just saying I have a savings account in the glass case is what I'm saying. You should not be advertising that publicly. I mean, if someone breaks into my house for a case of crystals, And that is literally the only valuables I have in this house. You, good luck. No, if they break in and they go through those links, I hope they get them. Honestly, if they break into my house for my small, like, we're talking, there's four small shelves.

Like, if you break into my house for those crystals and you get them, I will not press charges because you deserve them. Just take them. And honestly, the energy that's going to be transferred. through those and you're weeping from missing them, the karma's going to come. Oh, absolutely. I will call JoJo Siwa myself and karma will be a bitch. Oh, my God. I can't. So I need to tell you something else that I've been doing. Okay. Um, so I sold all of my furniture for my old house. Oh, good. Okay. Okay. Marketplace or what's the deal there? No. I don't know. My friend did it for me so that nobody knew it was like my stuff.

Oh, good. That's actually a great idea. Yeah. And so all of my furniture is basically gone, which means that I have two bar stools. And that's really all I have. And I still have my old mattress. But as soon as my new bed comes, the mattress is going to be burned on fire. As it should.

Because if you're going to throw away crystals for goddamn energy, you absolutely need to throw that fucking bed away. Because somebody's back energy is on there that I don't want. Yeah. We're not, we're not doing that. We're not, we're never going to. I also would probably replay. Actually, no, I have a purple mattress that I fucking love.

So I probably wouldn't. But, well, I'd just get a new purple mattress. But if you're throwing away crystals for energy, you better fucking be throwing away beds for energy. Because the mattress, honey, is, is completely about to be gone. Okay, so I saw the reel that you posted and collaborated with coffee combos on about our rush outfits. Yes. Number one, you and I are not qualified to be doing outfits of the day, but we're going to keep doing them. Oh, 100%. But if one more person asks me for your fucking

link, I could not find it to send to them. So if you could provide that link for me, I will share it for what? Your outfit, your OOTD. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Pockney Cush outfit. Putting that on my imaginary list of things to do. But yes, that will be provided. We should not be doing outfits of the day. We are not qualified. to be doing that. However, I loved doing it and I think that we're going to keep putting videos out like that. So if you guys didn't like it, well, you know, ignore it. I don't really care. I saw a video pop up on TikTok the other day of this Zeta from University of Alabama. And she was doing the tour of the Zeta house. The way that she has a bedroom that is more expensive

than my bedroom of what's going to be in my house as a 34-year-old single mom professional. I'm alarmed. That's number one. Number two, her dad provided turf for their lawn so that they didn't have to cut their grass. Could you imagine, first of all, having, I mean, maybe you can because you came from the Chrissly family, but like the level of money and like you don't even care to just like donate turf. I don't even have work. Also, these houses have been getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in makeovers.

And it's just like, what in the world is going on? I honestly don't know. And while I would love for my child to have the best of the best, I also think that there is some glory and knowing that you had struggle at some point of your life. so that you can appreciate when hopefully you get to the point where you don't. I think about that all the time with my kids, not in college specifically, but just in life in general is like, will my kids have the grit and the determination to just thrive through chaos when like throws it at you? Because, I mean, I don't expect them to have chaos like I did

or that I, you know, I have, but I want my kids to be able to struggle through some certain things in life so that they, you know, build some tough skin. Not the same type of trauma as me, but like struggling through college is a very different experience than like going and living in this sorority house or this fraternity house that has had hundreds and thousands of dollars worth of makeover. Having these rooms that are like, I saw one room tour that was like pottery barn, pottery barn, pottery barn, West Elm, West. And it's like people that work their asses off that are not in college that are having like actual families and our head of household can't afford those things. Like I want my kids to struggle a little bit, especially, you know, maybe if they end up going to college so that they can understand what it's like. So I'm going to give you a little scenario of what college was like for me. So lived at home for my freshman year. My parents bought me a condo fully furnished by an interior.

designer. So I pretty much lived what's going on at University of Alabama with these girls in my own condo. Okay. I did not appreciate it. And when my dad did the reveal of my condo to me, Julie got so upset because I was not over the moon about it because I was like, I didn't pick out any of this stuff. Somebody picked it out for me. I'm basically moving into like this pristine furnished place and I had no say in it whatsoever and it's just not really realistic. Wait, so was this for freshman year? No, I lived at home my freshman year. My sophomore year, as long as I had my grades, which I had a 4.0 after my freshman year, then the deal was they would get me a place. So got me the place, did the whole furnishings, everything. My dad was so proud of it.

And I love that he was so proud of it. But at the same time, I was so envious of my girlfriends who are living in apartments together or student housing going through that whole process, doing things on their own because I still felt like it was an extension from home, if that makes sense. So when I left my car keys, left the keys to the condo, left all the contents of the condo, moved to Will's townhouse that his parents owned, we then eventually got our own apartment. But those furnishings were like a futon from Walmart. At Will's place? No. So at his townhouse, he had like an IKEA bed, I think. and some maybe like piecemeal stuff that came from his parents or grandparents' house, whatever, for like dressers and stuff.

Yeah. And then when we got our own apartment, I had a mattress on like a mattress frame, but no headboard. And everything was from Walmart. Like our couch was a futon from Walmart. And it was like the happiest place that I had been in ever because it was mine. Yeah. it was yours and you knew what went into furnishing all of that and like I don't know there's just so I get it hard times like I do understand I've been very very poor and I've also had a lot of money

so I see both ends of it but also every single thing in my very first apartment was given to me um even like down to the shower curtain was given to me and so and I was just so proud of my first apartment that like you couldn't tell me shit it didn't matter if I didn't have any money I had my own fucking place and you could not tell me shit. Exactly. I'm like, I have my own fridge and I can do my own laundry and my own washer and dryer that's actually rented by the month from this apartment complex. So it's not really mine. But I can do like all my own shit. It's all my own stuff. Nobody can take any of this from me. And I just love that level of freedom. And I think a lot of times when you see stuff like these kids that are going to University of Alabama, specifically these girls,

these sororities and they're sharing their dorm rooms or their rooms in their sorority houses, it's almost setting them up for failure unless their parents can afford to maintain that lifestyle for them when they're outside of college. Chances are they're not going to be making that kind of money to be getting anthropology mirrors and, you know, crate and barrel and West Elm and like all of these expensive furniture companies that are decorating dorm rooms. I had that conversation with one of my co-parents recently where I told him. I said, you are setting a very, very unrealistic expectation for what life is going to look like post high school. Like whether it be college or, you know, a trade school or whatever that military, whatever that looks like, I said, you're setting a very unrealistic expectation by doing all of these fucking things all of the time.

our children are never going to know what it's like to be bored to left to their own devices and try to figure out what is what to use their fucking imagination. I cannot stress how important that is for people. And it's so hard because, right, like you and I want to give our kids, every mom, every parent wants to give their kids the things that they didn't have. But at the same time, you have to give them the experiences of being bored, the experiences of not having money, the experience of, of, you know, going without for certain things.

And it's a really hard balance. And I wish that I was able to perfect it. I just don't know how to get there. But I think I'm doing the best I can. My co-parent, however, I was like, our child and children cannot continue. Like, we don't know where they're going to be after high school. We don't know where the economy is going to be, let alone if they're going to college. So, like, to sit here and, like, no.

It's not a maintainable thing. And so I've had to reel myself in a lot because having just the one, I'm not splitting funds between multiple kids, right? So if you go to Dix and you have what, four boys to buy four, five boys? Six boys. If I go to Dix, right now I have to shop for four, but soon it'll be six. So you're going to shop for that many kids. I'm going to shop for one. So what I can put in my cart for the same amount of money is what you can put in yours for, that many kids and I have one, I'm not spending the same amount as you because I don't have as many kids that I need to supply for, right? And we're not just going to go out there and frivolously

spend. You don't need shorts in every color wave or whatever. Like you get your standard color of shorts and then you get a couple of shirts, Christmas rolls around. You get more. Like I'm trying to set a standard of you're not going to have more than everybody else, period. Right. 100%. As I was looking at that TikTok, I saw this article pop up about Kansas City Chief's owner's daughter is taking fans breath away with her lavish dorm room, see the picks. You should be able to click on the link so that you can see it. But it says in an Instagram post from August 23rd, Tavia Hunt shared a series of photos from her youngest daughter's Ava Hunt's dorm room in Southern Methodist University,

which received a massive makeover. The room's complete transformation included a vanity with mirror drawers, pink floral bedding, and matching tough stools, pink neon signs with her name above her bed, and pink decor items. Accompanying the photo of her daughter's gorgeous dorm room was a caption reflecting the moment of dropping her youngest child off to college, which I completely understand that. And I also completely understand being proud of it and excited. And you've probably worked on this all summer long. gathering all of these things. But if you look at the picture of this dorm room, it, it looks like it's

in a million dollar home. No, this is the most, I mean, it's stunning. Like I would want my child to have that, but I also, it's just so unrealistic, I feel. And then how do you decipher when other parents are out here doing this and you have a daughter, for example? How do you tell your daughter no, but her roommate might be getting it. Well, so you see those, the little pink stool-looking things that match her bed? Yeah. When I saw the second one, I was thinking about the roommate on the other side. What is the roommate's vibe? Like, how do you, because you don't know your roommate ahead of time, do you? So it appears from this photo and from what I've heard from other moms that have sent their kids off their college that you get your roommate assignment and you for girls,

they immediately start decorating their dorm room together. Like they're even covering the bed. Like do you see that? They have like dorm room bed covers because they don't want to see that. I am shook right now. Are you like, I'm so glad I don't have a girl. I mean, I'm, I can't wait to. I just, I don't know. Like, I'm scared for my daughter. Like I'm scared because I am, wait, time out, because I have to show you. you what I just got her. This is why I'm sick because I having a daughter, I heal some things with my sons, but having a daughter has fucked me up in a way that like I want her to have everything that I never had. So like shit like this, remember when we originally had the conversation about like joining the sorority in the first place? I was reading everybody's comments and posts about all of that. And there are there are sororities and organizations that are more inclusive to, you know, people of color and things like that. And so there are there are ones that she would fit into. I don't think that she would necessarily fit into the one, what is it, Fimeu for Alabama. But this is the type of thing that I would be doing because I want to heal inner kale,

but it might not necessarily be what Valley needs or Valley wants. And that's where I need to draw the line is like, am I doing this for me or am I doing this for her? Because if it's for her, I think that I do need to get, let her build some tuck skin and some of that. But that scares me because what if I don't have that type of money when Valley, goes to college or wants to, you know, go somewhere and needs help with an apartment. But that all being said, look what I got her. Hold on. So this is probably costed the equivalent of that fucking dorm room. This was for me. Elijah says it was for me, which it probably was. But I had to get this. I finally located it because it was sold out forever. Oh my God.

Valley has to use this. Like she needs this. She needed this. She had to have. He'll needed that. But like, you didn't know what Lisa Frank is. But like this could be like instead of them being like boyfriend and girlfriend,

they could be twins. Like this is Valley and this is verse. And like she needed this. She probably doesn't need me to furnish her entire dorm to look like Tavia. Is Tavia? Tavia. I don't know how you pronounce it. But.

Tavia Hunt's dorm room. I'm scared for her. I'm all, truly, I'm scared for Isaac, too. I don't know. It makes me, for boys in college, it makes me nervous for them to like, I don't know, just having a target on their back. I don't know. Wait a minute.

Put the backpack back up. Like, how long did it take you to locate this and are there anymore? I don't know if there are, I don't know if there are anymore. If there is, I'll send you, I'm going to just send you one. I, I was searching for this particular. with the aliens because they had the one with the puppies, I think it was. But I needed the alien one. So I had to buy this for her.

I need any of them. Okay. So I'm going to send you it. And it has like all the stuffing in it. It has the tags, like the original tags. And it glows under the UV. But like when she goes to preschool and like daycare and stuff, like this is going with her. Like this will

Nobody can tell me shit. In a more serious conversation, I used to get into like, I don't want to say knock down dragouts, but like. Knock down dragouts. Knock down dragouts with Todd about me overcompensating for what I didn't have when I was a child.

And it wasn't material things. It was the fact that my mom was not there every day. And when I had Jackson, I was like there is not going to be a day in this child's life that he does not know that I'm here and I'm going to physically be here, like to the point that I never took a vacation with my husband from the time that Jackson was born ever without him. Never did anything solo, took him everywhere. And my dad was like, that's going to be your downfall.

You're overcompensating for things that you don't need to overcompensate for. you're a great mother. Your childhood has nothing to do with you, you mothering. I will say this, though, I wholeheartedly agree with that. Like, there was a long time that I was not doing any, like my kids were babies and they went to Vegas with me, like babies and they went, you know, here and there and everywhere. There was a shift since you and I have been on TV, like, from the peak of social media until now, I have seen it with my own eyes. Like when we first started, I can't speak for you specifically, but when I first started traveling with this show and just having the ability to travel more, I would constantly be like, where are her kids? Where are her kids?

Where are her kids? And it was already an internal conflict for me exactly what you're saying. Like, I didn't want them to, I didn't want to leave my kids. Like, that was just like never going to happen. And then, you know, going online and seeing all the comments on social media about like, where are her kids, she never has her kids and shit like that really, really got to me. I never see those types of comments anymore. Like I never, people don't, I don't know if it's because they're, I don't know if they're blocked or like people just genuinely aren't asking that. But I think that we need to stop us mothers feeling like we cannot fill our own cups in order to be a good mom. And I actually was just reading this book about, it's called this could be us.

And in the book, one of the parents is talking about how we sometimes have to feel, in order to feel like good parents, that means that we have to sacrifice what we do and our happiness to do the best we can. our kids, but I don't think that that's always the case. I think both things can be true. We can sacrifice some things for our kids to have the best, but also filling our own cup to make sure the kids have the best. So I think that there is a balance there, right? But I wholeheartedly agree. Like, I don't ever want my kids to feel like I'm not there for them the way that my mom wasn't there for me. And yours was out of your control. And I don't think it was anything that was wrong with your mom. It was just the circumstances, the cards that you were dealt was like your mom could not be there. Correct. And I always felt like that sense of loss, like every child I feel like needs

their mother. And I will stand by that for forever because I know the ways that I have struggled in my childhood, but then in my adult life from not having it. Can I talk to me there? Knowing that you have Kyle who also experienced that, would you say the same for him? Do you think that it is necessary? Would it have been necessary for him to have your mom as well? Yes. I think it is detrimental to any child's development for them not to have a relationship with their mother. And I have stood by this in conversations with my dad. I've stood by it in conversations in therapy that even if your mother is the mother that you were given is not the best of all mothers. It is better for you to have some, some relationship, then no relationship at all. I also agree with that. And I think for a long time, I felt the same way about dads.

And I'm not saying that that's not necessarily true about dads. But I do think it, I agree. I think growing up without a mom being present in and really not really having the option sometimes to have her and to go to her when you have a mom that is present especially, don't rip that away from a child. Like your struggles with your mom would be very different than my struggles with mine because it was a full sense of absence, right? At least you have answers for some of your stuff and you can go back and say,

okay, well, because of addiction or because of mental health or because of these reasons. And you saw certain things firsthand. Not saying that's any easier of a journey and in a lot of ways it's a harder journey. Mine's just very different because there was a full level of. absence. Like I had to wonder, like, what are you doing every day? Because I'm here and this is what I'm doing, but you're not here. Like, are you at work? Are you traveling? There was just so many questions that I had. And so I never wanted my child to feel any sense of absence from me at all. And I struggled a lot when we first started traveling with the podcast. Like, how am I going to make this work and still feel like I'm

doing my job at home. I've actually struggled with that a lot, especially recently. I've had a lot of opportunities specifically for, I mean, it started with coffee commos, but I've had a lot of opportunities for barely famous. And, you know, I've always been able to kind of schedule my trips around the other kids' schedules, like my oldest or go to their dads for significant amounts of time, especially in the summer is 50-50. But during the school year, I've kind of been able to plan around that. But with having the baby. with Elijah. It's been really difficult for me because I have to leave and, you know, they go to bed at, they're in bed by 730. So it's been really, really hard to find that balance. But I also just

want to say, too, like, because I don't really know what your dynamic was before your mom left or what Kyle and your mom's dynamic was. But I all, just speaking for the parents who aren't as close to their kids as they want to be or they don't have the same connection as another kid should not be used against them in, you know, what I know about you is that you're closer to Todd, but that may not be true. You might have been closer to your mom or maybe not. Maybe you weren't really close to her and that's why Todd felt like it was better for you to go with him. But that being said, I think that that will drive a further wedge between you and your other parent. Like it makes me so proud yesterday. Jackson and I were playing trivia with each other. And if you guys have never played this, it's really fun to do it with your kids. You come up with a topic and you try to guess what each other's answers are. And then you write it down so that nobody's cheating because, you know, there's a lot of cheaters out there. And Jackson asked me, who do you think my favorite parent is? And I thought, oh, God, like I was hoping that this would never come up in life. And I said, dad. And, and,

he said, no. He said it was a trick question. I love you both equally. And it made me so proud to know that we live in two different homes. We've been through a lot, but he still loves us different but the same. I didn't have that. And if I would have had that, I would have been a lot healthier of an adult. Oh, 100%. I mean, I go through that with Lincoln and Isaac all the time, right? Like, I know where Isaac wants to be 100% of the time. Like, I know. And I think all of us kind of know. But I told Isaac, like, I never want to put Isaac in a position where he has to choose. I would never do that to him. And so, and he's told me, like, I said, you know, you can choose if you want. And he was like, I just, it doesn't matter. I would not want to tell the parent that I don't want to be with. How does that, like, he doesn't want to do that to them. And I feel the same way about Lincoln, you know, while back, um, Lincoln asked Hobby, when will he get to choose or how old does he have to be to choose? And Hobby said, you're going to stay with both of us until you turn 18. And I think I bawled my eyes out when Hobby did that because I think Lincoln has gone through

periods of time where he's closer to Hobby. And then most recently he was closer to me. Now I think he's kind of closer to Hobby. But I have never appreciated Hobby more than in the moment where he kind of had my back there. Because I think that if you see that your child, is closer to one parent over the other. And you are in a good place. You should do everything in your power to make sure that you are facilitating them coming together more. Does that make sense? As a parent that even if you are not co-parenting and you are living in the same home with your

spouse or significant other, I think it's so important to advocate for your partner or your ex-partner and the bigger picture of things. Like it's not about right now. It's about what the future is. Yeah. And hats off to hobby for that because that's exactly how I would answer the question as well. And, you know, I might get heat for it for my next statement. But if my child came to me and said, I want to be with you full time and I don't want to go to my dad's. I would say, well, tough shit. I mean, that's happened. I have two kids specifically that have said those words to me. I don't. I want to be here full time. And my answer was very different based on the age level for both of them. But most recently. yesterday, Lux cried in front of me and Elijah, he didn't want to go to his dad's. And I said, you know what? I said, but your dad loves you and he wants to see you and you're about to start school. So, like, you have to go to your, like, as much as Chris and I or, or, I mean, even just the general public that knows what they think they know about Chris and I is like, and maybe Chris doesn't even know. But I, to my son's face, I'm having his back. I don't

give a fuck. Like, I might talk shit to Elijah when the kids aren't around. But I, to my son's, to my son's face, I'm going to tell him, your dad loves you. You need to go see your dad. You'll get to see your family. You'll get to do what you mean. And I don't love that. But at the end of the day, I'm thinking bigger picture. And Kristen said that was sort of an unrelated conversation, but I was talking to Kristen yesterday on the phone. And she was like, Kail, you're thinking bigger picture. Because right now, I don't love my kids' dads all the time, right? Like I don't. But bigger picture is my kids being well-rounded and having fantastic relationships with both of their parents as adults. Because how many times do we see our kids or see

people grow up and they don't really have contact with one of their parents because, you know, whatever the circumstances were growing up. If I can prevent that, I want to prevent that. I want them to be close to both sides of the family. I want them to know siblings on both sides of the family. I want them to have, you know, the ability to like go to dad's house when they feel like it and go to mom's house when they feel like it and not feel torn and stuck in the middle because when you put yourself, when you put your child in a position where they feel like they

have no choice but to choose is fucked up. Yep. And I wholeheartedly agree with that. Parenting parallel is definitely the move and not to get morbid about it. But God forbid, something happened. Let's just use us, for example, like something happened to you or something happened to me. If you try to prevent the other relationships from happening, who does your child have? And you don't want to put it into perspective.

Because now I think about I was always close. closer to my dad growing up, Kyle always longed for my mother in a way that I didn't. And I didn't start having that longing for her until after I had my own child. I don't know if it was a suppressed state that I was in. I really don't know. But Kyle always struggled with it way more than I did. Now my dad's in prison. And what do I have? You know, so it's like a rebuilding of a relationship that was never really initially built. It's so, I just, I wish that human relationships weren't so fucking complicated because it's, I mean, it's taken a toll.

I've cried over my, you know, phases of, you know, our kids wanting to be with the other parent or not knowing what to do in a situation. It's awful. It is awful. Speaking of relationships and stuff, a listener asked us, how do adults make friends asking for myself? And I actually loved that question. Um, all of my friends that I have have been friends for a long period of time and I'm not very open to new friendships.

I feel like you're way more open to new friendships than I am. I'm a very closed off person and it's once my circle is built, don't try to get in it. I've definitely had a harder time over the years. I've closed my circle pretty tightly now. Now, the best way to make, is it, what's the question? The best way to make mom friends or friends? It's adult friends. Adult friends.

Okay, so that's the other thing is like, I don't just have adult friends. I have friends that have kids in the same programs as me. And so that's where, like my, I would say my most recent, you know, two of my girlfriends, they're from, you know, one was Lincoln's kindergarten teacher and then the other one was from Lincoln playing football with her son. And so I don't really make adult friends because it's not for me. I think doing activities that you already love doing. So like me going to Pilates, I have lots of acquaintances that I've met at Pilates.

I'm just not open to having new friends. But if I was, some of those people would be friends in my real life or, you know, going to trivia or bingo. Like you just meet people kind of along the way and you figure out, okay, I just. job with that person or I don't. I think a lot of people go about adult friendships the wrong way. And it's like, okay, we initially hit it off. And then you get three months into that friendship. And you're like, we couldn't be any more different. And I hate that person. Same way as I said about getting in relationships and like a romantic relationship. That needs to be built. You can't just like full

fledge be like, oh, hey, let's start hanging out every single day. Those are the friendships I feel like that crash and burn. Yeah, I would agree with that. I definitely will say that I met some adult friends, my lifelong friends in some non-traditional ways. Like one of my girlfriends, Tony lives in Vegas. I've been friends with her since Isaac was one. He's about to be 15. I met her on Twitter. You met her on Twitter. I met her on Twitter. And we hit it off. Like I flew out to Vegas to meet her. I didn't stay at her house right away. I stayed at a home. I stayed at a hotel, but like, I still love Tony to this fucking day and she will forever be one. Like, we don't talk every day, but she will always be one of my best friends.

I didn't know that you met Tony on Twitter. Yeah. That's so crazy. Yeah. And then, I mean, Kristen, I guess we met through Sensi, which I guess started online. So I guess I would count that. Those are two of my, like, longest friendships that I met online. That's so interesting.

Actually, Stirling now that I think about it. Stirling. And you, I met on Twitter. So what the fuck? No, I met Sterling through Sensi, which was online. She said she found it through one of my posts online. She joined my team, met her in the Bahamas. Lincoln was not even one yet.

And so I met, I think Tony the longest. And then Kristen, and then Sterling came around the same time as, Sterling came around the same time as Kristen. I had been talking to Sterling, but I had already met Kristen. But we were all in the same. Fancy team and Sterling to this day is one of my best friends. So I mean, it's really funny how that shit works out. I mean, I wouldn't personally recommend that. I think it was a different time when we all met on social media. It was a very different time than like today. But yeah, I mean, I loved

meeting that. And they didn't, I mean, Sterling had a small child. Kristen didn't have kids. Tony had kids. So I don't know. I don't know. So crazy. Okay. So I want to play this game. This was on parents. And it says, what's your unpopular parenting opinion? Our readers weigh in and we couldn't agree more. I'm going to run through these with you and I want you to give me your answers. Okay. It's okay for kids to be bored.

Yes, absa fucking looting. I 100% agree. You know, we did the no screen time all through the summer. And you need to be a little bit more creative. on figuring out things to do that if you don't want to be bored, find something to do that makes you not bored. Yep. Like I don't hear. I'm bored in the house and I'm in the house bored.

Like, I don't care. Oh, that's what Lincoln said to me because I yesterday had to take Lux and Creed to Chris. And then Isaac also went over to Joe's for the first day of school because even though we normally switch on Mondays, it was best for them to go over there. It was just easier for the first day. And Lincoln looked at me and was like, this sucks. Like I'm going to be bored. And I said, good. Good.

Like, find stuff to do. I tell Jackson all summer long, get innovative. Find a recipe that doesn't require the stove. Go on a walk. Play with your basketball. Throw your football to yourself. I think that we live in a time. And adults are guilty of this too, that nobody wants to be bored.

And I think that's where the most growth comes from, whether you are 34 like me or, you are 11 like Jackson, your kids ages, you need to have downtime and you need time to be bored and to be able to think. I wholeheartedly agree. This says that caregivers say, I think kids are too busy. It wouldn't hurt to be bored on a weekend instead of running to 1,482 soccer games. Another caregiver says children don't need every minute of their day filled with pre-planned educational activity, let them explore, get bored, invent games, be silly. And I could not agree. more. I agree also. The next one is some screen time doesn't hurt. I would agree with that. While I loved not having the screen time over the summer, I felt like it was a necessary

adjustment to kind of get like our life in check because it was always get in the car from school and immediate access to a phone or video game, like whatever. No, we're busy doing other things. we don't need the screen to occupy us. If you need to sit in front of a screen that long, then you need to find something else to occupy your time. So now we're doing limited screen time. And yes, we do use the screens. If we're going out to dinner, I'm not going to make him sit.

If we're waiting 45 minutes for a meal, I'm not going to make him sit bored. But if I'm asking you questions and I'm trying to have a conversation with you, don't have your phone up in your face. Oh, no, I agree. We got some mixed reviews on one of our conversations about screen time. And just to clarify and also elaborate on my answer here, my kids don't have their phones right now. Even for Isaac's first day of school, he did not take his phone.

Lincoln will not have his phone. We don't do iPads in our house. That being said, we do watch TV. We watch movies. Lincoln's probably watching a soccer game right now. And then we also have, there's the one Xbox that we have. So they do get screen time. So I wasn't saying that we don't do it at all.

But it's limited. Like if we go out to dinner, we don't have a screen at all. They're not taking their phones and they're not taking an iPad. If, you know, we go to the movies. That's like a thing that we do. We watch Beetlejuice together as a family. Like we do do screen time, but we're not taking the screens everywhere we fucking go. I agree with that.

Also, we've been watching classics. So like Missed Out Fire, Free Willy is something that we watch. watched over the weekend, just trying to take things back to the times that were the greatest, which were the 90s. On this one, it says caregivers say, I don't care about screen time. Obviously, my kids aren't sitting, snide, watching a screen all day, but I don't monitor the times, etc. They understand that there is balance to everything. And I think that is super important, the fact of balance. One thousand percent. And I agree with what that caregiver says wholeheartedly. Like I'm not checking, oh, you can have it from 12 to 1.

I'm not, but if that works for someone else, let it work for someone else. For our house, I cannot sit here. Like, truthfully, when I looked in my schedule for the day, today, I completely didn't realize, like, what was going on. And so I told Lincoln, like, you're kind of on your own until dinner time and we'll go to dinner and then I'll take you to your dads. But like, if he's on the screens right now, I'm not monitoring saying, like, oh, you can only be on it for 45 minutes. Like, we're not doing anything today outside of me recording and then I'll take him to dinner. but so go watch a soccer game. Go watch, you know, your little soccer clips.

I don't care. I'm in full agreement with that. The next couple, I feel like, are going to be heated debates. Oh, God. Showing affection is optional. No, it's not optional. That's not optional in my house. I'm big on consent.

So there will be like Creed's thing right now, which is so fucking cute because he's so fucking spicy is he'll come up to me and say, can I give you a hug? And I hug him. And then he say, can I give you a kiss? And I kiss them. And then he goes, do this. So, like, that is, and he's four. So, like, we're big on affection.

I didn't have it growing up, especially from my own mom. That's something that I'm going to do to my kids. I'm going to show them affection. I have a harder time with my partner. I think that I just am, I just in life have had a harder time there. But when it comes to my children, I'm sorry. I was just reading under it says, no, your kid doesn't have to hug everywhere. when they see parents say letting their kids to decide what feels right for them.

I'm big on consent. If you do not want to hug someone that comes into the house, you do not have to hug them. I don't care. As far as physical touch is concerned and like affection and stuff like that, I'm an agreement with you about that on the consent part. Like you don't have to give somebody a hug because they walked through the door simply because they walked through the door. Like, I'm an agreement on that.

I'm going to love on you until the day you punched me. Tell me to get the fuck off you, I will be hugging and kissing you because you're my baby. Will and I had a very affectionate marriage. We showed affection in front of Jackson. I feel like he requires affection. It's just how we ran our house. And so I think it's super important as an unsaid. I love you.

I would agree. I would agree with that. Like I'm going to kiss you on your forehead. I'm going to rub your hair. I'll rub your back. I'm going to give you a hug before you go anywhere. I'm going to tell you, I love you five times in the carpool lane before you get out of the car to make sure you heard me on the fifth time. Yes, 100%.

Like, I'm all about it. Yes. Okay. The next one is don't force a meal. It says many parents are over the phrase, over the phrase, finish your plate and are letting their kids eat as little as they want. In fact, experts also recommend against. forcing kids to eat everything on their plate, this isn't helpful in raising healthy eaters. I also agree with this. I do not make my kids eat everything on their plate. I do.

This one I go back and forth with, but I typically, especially now that my kids are older, it's like, if you're not going to finish your dinner, don't ask me for a snack right after. That's not happening because you didn't eat your dinner. But like, if you're not hungry, I'm not forcing you to eat. And plenty of times, it's not. mainly Lux and Creed that'll be like, I'm not hungry, but you're going to sit with us. That's like the one thing is like, you can sit, have a drink. You can, you know, Lincoln asks, goes around the table every single time and asks, you know, how it's everyone's day. And so that's like our thing. But I'm not going to force you to eat if you're not hungry. It's not happening.

I don't force the eating either. I don't think that that's health. I don't think it's helpful. And I really don't think it's healthy because as an adult, you're going to, you're going to be able to make that choice, right? Yeah. So I do allow him to choose like, okay, on a weekend, you don't want breakfast. Now, I am more of a forcer of breakfast before school only because you, your brain needs to be firing when you get there. Like, I'm not going to send you stuck on stupid still asleep to your teacher. Like, that's not fair to her. So that's probably going to be like a more force situation, but I don't really have to force it. He's just understood you're going to eat breakfast. Yesterday, I took Jackson to lunch for Sunday, Fund day, and we had, I had ordered him

a fruit cup and Alfredo. He ate three bites off of the Alfredo and all the fruit cup and he immediately wanted cake. And I said, if you're too full to eat what is nutritious on your plate, then you're too full to get the cake. That wasn't a forcing of anything. It's a choice. Like, if you're still hungry, then you need to eat your nutritious food and then you can have the cake.

Yeah. No, I agree with you. My kids are big on like, oh, can I, but if I eat all my food, can I have the whatever? Or if I eat three bites, can I have this that no? Like if you're going to, if you're hungry enough to eat, I mean, everything in moderation, right? Like, I'm not going to force my kids to eat a whole bowl of spaghetti if they can't stomach a whole bowl of spaghetti. But like, eat a majority of it and then you can have a snack afterwards. But like, if we're just taking no bites or one or two bites, that's probably going to be a no for me.

Like, let's be reasonable here, right? Like, I'm not trying to be a warden by any means. However, I know that if you're you're not full enough to eat that's sweet, then you can eat a little bit more bites. Like we're not, you're 11 now, so I'm not counting down the bites for you. Eat the fucking food. Just eat it. We also have the two-byte rule of anything in our house. So you try two bites.

If you don't like it, then I'll give you an alternative. But you're going to try the two bites. Also, anybody else's kids love rice errone. because Jackson's on a rice eroni kick, and I don't see it ending in the foreseeable future. Okay. I don't think we've had riceroni, but Lincoln would probably, Lincoln and Lux would probably love it. They have them in the little cups, like the easy mat comes. Okay.

The kids would love that. Try it. Try it. You might like it. Okay. And the last one that we're going to hit before we do foul play is let them feel their feelings. It says kids are learning to regulate their emotions, and it's necessary for them to know feelings are okay, research shows adults play a big role in helping children learn to manage their emotions

a critical life skill. Oh, 100%. I apologize to my kids all the time. I let them know I'm not perfect. I never will be. I never was. I have told Luxa lie that I was born an adult, but that was, you know, you've got to do what you got to do sometimes. But no, I tell my kids all the time. It's okay to be mad, but you don't get to like flip the fuck out. Be mad, be upset. Take a minute and then come back to me. But definitely feel your feelings. And most recently, Isaac has been going through something. And I told him, I said, you know, certain parts of this are very normal, right? Like certain parts of this is human nature. But it's how you act on it. That is what we need to work through, what we need to work on. What, you know, if we have to get into therapy, we can do that.

But like, definitely feel what you're feeling, but appropriately. We have to teach our children boundaries and how we're handling things, how we're handling our feelings. So I've always kind of had the approach since the tantrum phase started where I would let Jackson just feel his feelings out. And I'm pretty sure everyone thought that I was absolutely insane. Like I know for a fact my parents did. They're like, you're just going to sit there and watch that happen. Yes, because this isn't a safe place here where I'm hoping you're going to act safe and control your damn self because you aren't the parent. I am. So let's get that correct. He's going to have this tantrum. And I'm going to wait until he regulates, he self-regulates. And then I'm going to pull him aside and then I'm going to have my spiel with him. Because me stopping something in the middle of a full-blown temper tantrum, I don't feel like that's really going to get me anywhere because his emotions aren't out.

I just yesterday watched a video. There was an episode of teen mom that Lincoln and Isaac were both crying at the same time. I was trying to breastfeed, trying to drive. Isaac is having this like full-blown mel. meltdown and that wasn't typical for him that was very um those were very isolated incidents and i was reading the comments back and trying to just kind of see what like i don't know just watching that back was i look back and that's sort of the way that i operated was like okay he's going to have this meltdown and then we'll talk about it after the fact and i don't know if it was the comments that got to me or who i am now as you know 15 years later um he might have that that that particular scene, and I'm not saying all cases, but that one particularly, I think I needed to hug him. Like, I just needed, he needed me to hug him. And I think that he would have calmed down a lot

sooner. But not all tantrums can be handled that way. And I also want the viewers of that and the commenters of that specific TikTok to understand that. And whether you're a parent or not, I think that it's, you know your child. Looking back, I think at that moment he needed to hug. But I do think that there are other cases where a hug is not going to help and you just need to let it kind of play out and then handle it afterwards. And the same for adults too because, you know, I think even as as an adult, like in my 20s, I did not know how to self-regulate. That was part of the problem was like you can't self-regulate if you don't have those tools to do so. And that's why and maybe my approach was wrong. I don't know, but it was successful, from what I know it was successful for me and my child.

Right. And that's what I'm saying. Like every, it's a case by case. Like for Creed, you know, he's my spicier kid. And I think that sometimes I know I recognize where he needs to hug and I recognize where he needs to have a minute and then I'll talk to him afterwards. So same approach as you. Like from my experience, trying to intervene in a situation where emotions are still coming out is not really going to get the job. done, right? So let those emotions flow, let them act like a fool. And then once they're somewhat regulated, it also gives you a minute to like catch yourself to be like, okay, hey, can we talk about what just happened? Because that's not a normal response. Like, you didn't get a book. So you threw yourself on the floor and started kicking and screaming. That's not a natural response to not getting something that you wanted. Right. Right. I mean, I- I- I loved our parenting unpopular opinions. If you don't agree with us, okay.

If you don't agree with us, okay. And on that note, we have foul play. Hi, ladies. I love your show. I have a funny foul play for you. Many years ago, I was super into myself, Tanner, and had every brand imaginable in my bathroom. One night, I left for work, and my ex at the time got a little frisky by himself, if you know what I mean. Long story short, that night after I got home, we started messing around. As I pulled his boxers down, I almost collapsed. His entire crotch area like inner thighs and everywhere was orange tan. Well, you get the point. He played dumb and I dropped it, but note to men, be sure to read the loop bottle before getting your rocks off. I knew that that's where that was going.

I knew it. I'm glad that that's where it was going and not somebody who, like, he cheated and she had self-tanner all over her. But could you imagine being a guy going into your shared bathroom and thinking that you got Loub and it was self-tanner? I mean, immediately, I think that I would pull the, I have the flu or the shits and like, I can't do this. No, what? Like, why would you?

Could you imagine like pulling down a man's boxers and your big looks like an oompa lumpa? No, ma'am. No, ma'am. I would be like, what is going on? here? Like, do you need help? And also, what self-tanner do you know is, like, good enough to be Lou? Maybe Juergens? I don't know. I don't think, because Juergens is gradual glow. Yeah, so maybe it's, like, more of a lotion consistency. Like, maybe that would be why I thought Jurgens. But, like, I'm thinking of the foam, like, you know, my friend, Jurgens for the Jirken. Goodbye.

Kristen. I know. My friend Lindsay has, you know her, my other friend Lindsay. She has you bronze. And I don't think that would be a good loob at all. Me either. Bless his heart. Okay. So the next person says, hi ladies, I have a foul play for you. This happened to a friend of mine in college. Not me. I swear. Sure. She had a boyfriend in college and as many often do in college. Insert, insert wiki face here. They participated in sexual escapades from time to time. As the holidays approach, she decided that she was going to go home and visit her parents for Thanksgiving.

While at home one night, she went to brush her teeth. As she was walking back to her room from the bathroom, she encountered her mom who realized that she had a toothpaste stain on her black sports bra. Mom pointed the stain out to my friend and she was confused because she didn't think that she had driveled. Oh, I know where this is going. She didn't think she driveled toothpaste on her bra. She looked down and immediately realized it's dried semen from at least recent late-night activities back at college.

She had accidentally packed a dirty bra to go home. And as if that's not bad enough before she was able to open her mouth to protest, her mom did what moms do. She licked her finger, rubbed it on the stain, and then licked her finger again, rub it on the stain again. By this point, my friend is absolutely horrified, but obviously can't say anything about the toothpaste. I don't remember how she got herself out of that situation, but I will also. always remember this story and how hard I laughed when she told me. Thanks, ladies, love the podcast. Ma'am. No. No ma'am. No turkey. The way I would riot if there was semen in my mouth from a man that I'm not co-signing. No. That's sexual assault. Yeah, that's, I don't know what that is,

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