Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Parenting Plan Decisions And Getting Breadcrumbed

Episode Date: November 17, 2022

EP254: Lindise made a decision that might not seem like a big deal but many divorced parents might be able to relate. This leads to the conversation of co-parenting arguments and making sure the fighting doesn't affect the kids involved. Kail shares her current struggles. The Facebook group brings up some good topics that Lindsie and Kail talk about.. is Jackson trying to get Lindsie and Will back together? How was the Mommy Makeover recovery experience? Was there any gender disappointment when having your kids? Lindsie brings up Suburban Dad and the issues going on there...A PSA for Foul Play - CLEAN YOUR COOCH! Especially if someone is going to be sticking their face down there... Thank you to our sponsors! Best Fiends: Download Best Fiends FREE today on the App Store or Google Play Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first month Body Guardz: Go to BodyGuardz.com/coffee to protect your phone today Pair Eyewear: Go to paireyewear.com/COFFEECONVOS for 15% off your first purchase Stamps: Visit Stamps.com and use promo code COFFEE for a special offer that includes a 4-week trial, free postage, and a digital scale! Zocdoc: Go to Zocdoc.com/CONVOS and download the Zocdoc app for FREE

I hate gift giving and receiving receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you? This is coffee convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you a spirited discussion about motherhood Friendship family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here Here's Kale and Lindsay Hello Kale and welcome to coffee convo's podcast this morning. Yeah, what are you doing? I My kids are not at school today because they all had dentist appointments and since they were like in the middle of the day kind of

The appointments started at 10, but since I have four kids, you know, whatever whatever It didn't make sense for me. It's 12 30. So it doesn't really make sense for me to take the kids to school now, ma'am. Yeah I'm gonna ask you this and then every single person that's listening to this that have multiples Do you feel like it is better to take them all and just like Get it done at one time Or do you feel like it's less hectic if you went to like four separate Disappointments for me. I prefer all at once because I don't want to go

Lux and Lincoln are at the same school and so even like yesterday Lincoln had an orthodontist appointment at like 11 So I was like, I don't want to go pull him out at 11 and still have to go pick up Lux later in the day So she was I called and she was so accommodating and she was like if you want I can schedule it for 230 And then that's towards the end of the day. So I could just pick both of them up So I actually prefer them all at once and also Creed does really really well when he sees the other kids go before him Mm-hmm. So yeah, he was already asking to go It was so cute. He said my turn next when he saw

Isaac get his teeth because once he sees it where if I only took maybe One kid he might not have been ready. Does that make sense? Yes, that makes sense Thankfully today, he only saw one kid and he wanted to go next so he did you know when he's asking to go next We make sure we get him in but So same thing for yesterday when we have the orthodontist appointment Isaac was supposed to go on Thursday But I'm like, I don't want to take Lincoln to the orthodontist on Tuesday or Monday and then take Isaac on Thursday. So when I went in there, I said, is there any possibility you can get them both in today? So I don't have to come back

And they were like, yeah, absolutely. So they were again, they were super accommodating and then Same for like the eye doctor Lux and I both have eye doctor appointments tomorrow It just makes it for us. I know people with multiples. Maybe they like the one-on-one But for me, I like it all in one day. See for me, I just have one So it's just whatever his appointment is But what happened to me was I don't know how actually how this happened and maybe it's like common for everyone when I say this But I feel like Jackson's appointments all end up falling like everything needs to be done around the same time Okay, do you know what I mean? Like yeah, his his yearly appointment

appointment Dennis blah blah blah like everything at the same time So then I just feel like I'm running around doing appointments, but then I'm pretty much done for the year So then it's just like nice. I just don't know what that multiple kid life looks like and The chaos of that would probably send me over the edge. So for those reasons alone, I'm out No, I actually I feel the same way because when I was when I realized how my week went this week between Dennis, orthodontist, eye doctor, Lincoln's birthday, everything was this week I was like, wow, I'm so overwhelmed

I'm so overwhelmed But also then I'm done for just like you said I'm done for the next six months They don't have to do any of this until except I mean the ortho is a little bit different Because I have one in braces and one in a retainer But at least for eye doctor and the dentist were done for at least six months And I was telling the kids I said, you know, what's funny I said because I the one and I've said this before on coffee combos I really really take pride in the fact that I

Go to all my kids like my kids appointments are scheduled to every six months or They're yearly physical and I take them to all of that because my mom never did when I was an adult And I finally started going to the dentist I probably had 10 or 12 cavities because my mom never Took me to like she would only take me to the physician if I was sick, which I typically had strep throw as a kid And she never took me to the dentist unless there was a problem So I really pride myself on like keeping these appointments maintaining their health making sure that they get to their appointments and I Don't I just feel good about it. And I know that they they actually really like going to the dentist

You know, I feel like you did exactly the opposite of everything that your mom did Like you saw what she did and then you were just like, okay, because none of that seemed to work I'm gonna do everything the opposite way. Yes 100% Which would that be considered a trauma response? I'm gonna go ahead and say yes But it's also probably like what would what would be considered normal normal and like what you're supposed to do So it's normal, but it's also a trauma response for me Like I wanted to make sure that everybody is good to go and has their appointments and maintains their health and you know Does all of that so I don't know. Yes, it's a trauma response, but it's also what's supposed to be normal. Oh my gosh

Let me tell you what happened this morning. So I call will because I have some family things that are going on next week Monday and Tuesday and it's my holiday break And so I told him I was like, you know, I have these family things going on not kid-friendly Need to take care of these things and be present for this So is there any way that you know, you could help if not and these are working days for you because they are I was like, you know, you can offer it to your parents to have an Overnight because I don't think that Jackson has had any

Overnights with will's parents like solo without will since we got divorced And it made me think I was like, wow I really need to talk about this because I wonder how often that happens in the worst situations when you're sharing time and The time share is like 50-50 in our case, right? He goes to will and I think that will doesn't want to forgo any of his time For Jackson to spend individual time with his parents because he would be losing that time And then I don't want to lose time. So I deal with the same thing I wonder how often grandparents miss out on what used to be their normal because now the parents are time-sharing

Not even just grandparents, but essentially like Lincoln When not to speak Whatever, I'm gonna speak on it. How these family is so close Like he's also missing out on time with like his Nina, which is his godmother who's also hobby sister And they live here He misses out on time with a lot of family, you know what I mean? Like he they're so close like how these brothers and sisters like literally like they're dividing conquer If someone's gone or someone's away, they pick up the slack or they pick up, you know, the kids from school

But they do a phenomenal job with that so he actually misses out with time with his cousins and things like that too so and That sucks. Well, and I'm like, okay I'm you know doing the offer to give them the time because I can't have him on those days anyway Even though it is my time. I sit back and think and I'm like, you know what? It's actually very important for him to be spending time with him because he did spend a decent amount of time with his grandparents Before we got divorced, but will and I weren't like individually losing time if that makes sense, you know, so it's like Oh, he's just going to you know, his grandparents for the weekend and then we'll get him back and it gives us a break together

Now that just looks so very different and then Also, but I tried to be like very Splitting holidays and stuff because I do take holidays so seriously. I Feel like I think about all of the things that I felt when I was a kid when my parents were splitting stuff and how I felt and I can tell you like when I was a little girl my mom would take my brother and I to Her grandmother's house on Christmas Eve and it was like always like a Christmas Eve night thing We got Christmas pajamas like every year and like did that thing

But I can remember specifically feeling like I was missing out somewhere else because I was where I was at But I also wanted to be where I was at but knew I was still missing out and also felt like Okay, I've got a look at the clock because I know I have to be back to dads by this time I was always like Paranoid and felt like the rush around and I'm sure a lot of kids of divorce Have felt like that before and I never want Jackson to feel like he's missing out on something so when the email came home from the school about The Thanksgiving like feast or whatever, you know how they do at school. Yeah, they let you have two tickets

So like both parents can come but I told Will I was like well since Thanksgiving you had him last year. I have him this year your parents aren't gonna get an opportunity to celebrate with him So they can take those tickets if you'll forego yours I'll forego my ticket and they can go and eat with him at school. I was so sweet He was so excited yesterday whenever I talked to him He was like my Boba and Papa came to my school and did Thanksgiving feast And then they checked me out early and then we went shopping at Goodwill and we got stuffed animals like he was really Excited and it's made me really reflect on

You know, I'm not really missing out on much by not getting school Thanksgiving right but they feel like they're gaining so much by getting it Yeah, I mean, and I'm sure that they're so appreciative of that. So I'm I'm actually really proud of you That was like a big decision for you guys. I Saw a TikTok that was along the lines, too. It was like I don't know who needs to hear this But give up your holiday like give it to the other parents. It's it's not don't make the child feel rushed Kind of what you just described like mm-hmm, you know Don't make them feel like they have to be back at your house at a certain time and that's part of the reason why I gave up holidays

I don't want it to be a fight. I don't want to feel like they're splitting their time I'll make time to see my cousins at some point that the kids can play like we'll do it in the summer We'll do it at some other time. So see that's why we did in our custody Schedule we did the arrangement to where and I know people do it so differently So I'm not saying the way that we're doing it is like the right way the wrong way or the best way But I feel like it's best for us because when we looked at holidays and stuff We looked at a long-term plan like not Jackson being eight years old when we went through this, right? Like we're looking at okay

Eventually we will have other significant others and eventually One or both of us might have more children or whomever we're with might have kids And so when we're looking at this schedule, we're not gonna split the holiday week, right? Like you get Christmas Eve and then I'll get Christmas Day because that's how my parents did it whenever I was growing up and that was a frickin disaster So we just do like the week of Christmas and then the week of New Year's and split it That way and then on off years for like Thanksgiving like the one week holidays, you know or whatever we do on off years, right? Or odd even I guess is what they call it, but I can remember growing up on Christmas morning and waking up doing presents at my dad's

Not being able to like lounge around in pajamas because we had Kyle and I had to get dressed so that we could go to Our mom's to open Christmas and it never just like felt like you couldn't even play with the stuff that you opened at your dad's No, so then it always just kind of felt like this this rush around and to like appease everyone And I wouldn't advise that to anyone because the kids ultimately are the ones losing like when you feel like you're gaining You have to think about what they are actually losing Everly well, I just got the metabolism test in the mail and I'm gonna take that probably today or tomorrow I'm super excited because everly well is something that I've been using for probably two or three years now since we started coffee combos and

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So at the end of the day someone was still losing Nobody really wins the child doesn't win either parent wins even if they get what they want They're still not they're not being with their child 100% of the time And so I'll never forget when he said that and it really did shape the way that I feel About, you know split time split custody and things like that now, you know Just to like expand on this a little bit because I do think that ego can get involved in stuff like this and it's like Your wants you're thinking about what you want when you're fighting someone else, right? Because that person was your your ex whether you were married to them or not in my case my ex husband

So, you know, you're thinking okay Well, I don't want him to get one more day than me And he doesn't want me to get one more day than him because it's about winning and it's about fighting with each other But when you really like break it down and you get outside like once you have the custody arrangement whatever and you are You know over a year out of divorce the emotions look very differently then then when you're initially going through it because all Emotions are so heightened in that that moment and I think that people get wrapped up in that and don't think about how the kids are being hurt 50 50 is

Not always the best way and sometimes it is the best way, you know The child does well with dad and does well with mom and there's no reason for it to be any other way in our case That that is very much true Sometimes I feel like Jackson needs to see will when he's with me So we'll go over there and let him play basketball and sometimes I feel like will Notices that Jackson needs me when he has him and we're trying to lean more into that but I think that that doesn't come until later and I I wanted to try to do everything so right from the time that we started going through this that I think I let my emotions

Get a hold of me early on and was actually ended up fighting against myself and didn't even realize it if that makes sense No, I've definitely been there. I've definitely been there probably more times I mean, it's always really hard in the beginning at least for me I watched another tiktok. It was a lawyer in Arizona and she was saying how She's kind of basically saying the same thing as you and then to go further into it a little bit. She was like You know just because you have to make adjustments and stuff in a parenting plan doesn't necessarily mean you need to go to court and modify Yep, you know, you have to consider like the financial and the mentally draining aspect of it If you have a parenting plan and you're doing something

That's working outside of the parenting plan go ahead, but that doesn't mean that you need to go right back to court and change it Because what are you gaining from that if what you're doing is already working? So like you said if you feel like Jackson needs to go see Will for a little bit, you'll go play basketball and make something work That's one thing that I do miss about you know, my relationship with hobby was up until the end of the summer was so flexible with Lincoln And he said something to both of us at at football on Sunday and he was like You know you get along and then you don't get along and then you do and then you don't and he basically was saying that it was exhausting and I said, you know Unfortunately, that's between me and your dad. I said but you need to you know focus on you in football But he can't because he wants his parents to be friends, you know, he wants them to get along at the very least and

It's a sad reality kill when your kids can identify that to you In a way that comes across so clear, you know, like yes, but Lindsay it's not me. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be praying for That situation even though you don't believe in prayer I do so I will do the prayers for that situation and hopefully hobby's heart will soften and Here Lincoln and both of you guys collectively hear him because it's something that will and I had to do and step back out of our own feelings here I put so much thought and time into football and I was the team mom because he was the head coach I didn't even get a thank you for his coach's gift

Never thanked me for anything I did For the football season. That's how bad that's how bad of a term we're on and it's not because of me I don't care what anyone says. It is not because of me. I'm so far past that if he wants to be in a relationship or not You know, I'm I'm okay with that. I'm comfortable with that and I I want to be on civil terms talking terms for my son because my son loves us both But yeah, I didn't even get it. That's how that's how not good of terms that we're on like he won't even look at me or speak to me If I'm in his presence I think that you have to step back from that situation and realize that that's something internally that he's struggling with whatever that may be And it's not a reflection of whatever you're doing so and I and I know that because of therapy but

He'll blame me, you know what I mean and I like he'll cuss me out for talking about it But this is my real life. This is what I'm struggling with. I did nothing to deserve, you know the treatment that I've gotten I mean I even his when I gave his family the gift bag for the end of the season I emailed him and because they were all joking about taking stuff out of his gift bag And that's just how his family is but I just because I don't know if they would or not There's like gift cards and stuff like that in there and the company that I got the plaques me for Accidentally sent of all the out of all the fucking coaches They accidentally sent me to with Javi's name on them

Because now it looks like I did it Purposely and I did it and I messaged the guy and I was like hey you accidentally sent me to with Javi's name on it And you're missing one of our other coaches or whatever And so I had Lincoln right on the bag like you know, here's an extra one for you They accidentally send us a second one because I didn't want it to feel like I was it was coming from me And I sent him an email and I said hey I just want to make sure that you got your gift your family was like joking about taking stuff out of the gift bags But I just want to make sure you know what was in there never got a response

Never got to thank you and you know literally just a thank you You know what I mean goes a long way if we could just be on those types of terms I would be thankful for Lincoln I think that you know you you hope for the best in these cases when stuff like this happens It's like you expect the worst you hope for the best and anything better than the worst is good That's a good way to put it The sad thing is is that you and Javi have such an ability when you guys are on great terms you co-parent so well And it is truly so inspiring that I've picked up a lot of things that you guys do when you're well

That's what I'm saying like we it's been six seven years since we got divorced and we know what we're capable of So why at seven years are we not okay to just you know say thank you to each other or high and by I don't care Like I said, I don't care if he's in a relationship if he's not high and by I think that's fine There's no boundaries crossed. Hello. How are you in front of Lincoln at the very least? You know that was a really hard thing for me when we were going through Parenting therapy or whatever while you know Jackson's doing his play therapy And she was telling us you know to put on a united front in front of Jackson whether we wholeheartedly Want to be doing that individually or not that the benefit that the child receiving far outweighs

What we're losing by doing that yes, I agree with that and I do Wholeheartedly agree with that and I'm in a place but I will tell you I was not in a place early on Because I have never known Will to be with anybody else and so for me to like have to have the thoughts of him being with somebody else Or see him with somebody else I'm sure he had some of those same feelings of you know seeing me with somebody else knowing that I was with somebody else I think a lot of that comes in to play and then just your history of Right, you know possible hookups and stuff like that like I'm not saying that that's you but it's definitely me so That no but that comes into play too

There's a difference between boundaries and just being fucking nasty And having I haven't hooked up in God knows how long you know, that's not that's not even a factor right now So just being able to say hi and bye, you know would be would have been nice, but wait So this leads me I was having a conversation with multiple people who I know who have gone through the divorce process Because I was you know regularly as I do just scrolling tiktok and ran across this tiktok that was talking about Filing for divorce and like what that looks like from a physical aspect post And how a lot of times that You know post divorce filing that you are still hooking up and it's actually more common

Than it's not oh really? Yeah, and so I asked a couple of people because I wanted to do my own research to know You know like okay, you've been through the divorce process So were you guys hooking up during that time and a lot of people told me that yes That was common for them and then I had one person that I asked that said absolutely not He would not even be able to like look at his ex-wife in that way And so was that common for y'all through the divorce process or no The actual divorce process I can't really remember. I know when we went to marriage boot camp

Hobby was very I mean that was ten ish months into the divorce Filings and he was still actively trying to make it work. I don't think he ever believed that I was actually filing for divorce So I remember I asked for separate beds that was like my one stipulation for marriage boot camp But he was actively trying to get back together and then Wanted to try to reconcile I don't remember I don't think we were actually hooking up because I was with Chris And I wouldn't I mean If Chris said jump I said how high you know like I wasn't gonna I was not going to jeopardize my relationship with him at the time

And then when Chris and I started falling out I you know, Javi was still willing to make it work So I don't think that through the actual divorce filing process. We were hooking up, but shortly thereafter. Yeah Oh, like I mean obviously, you know Mine and will situation and like what was going on there and I think that I'll have to find the tick tock and post it for you guys Because I can't describe all of it. I can't remember everything that was said But it was basically just along the lines of like it's a very common thing that happens and I had always heard that typically, you know when a marriage is over

When the physical part goes through the marriage Like once that part's gone. It's very hard to get that back and for us through our process That part didn't go away until Well after the divorce filing. Yeah, I mean Javi and I tried several times to get back together after We were legally divorced and now that I think about it when I filed for divorce I even you know him and I went back and forth because he was deployed I filed before he was deployed But when he was deployed we even went back and forth There were periods of time when we're going to work it out and we weren't going to work it out and then we would go back to

Okay, we are going to work it out So even during that time we couldn't have been physical because he was away But we did we were there were periods of time where we're like, okay, maybe you know I think there was a period of time where I even said that I rescinded the papers, but I didn't because I just wanted him to be okay While he was gone. I didn't want him To worry about you know, this divorce while he was deployed because I can't imagine what that felt like But also at the same time it was like Before he left he told me he filed twice

So that's ultimately why I filed was because of the divorce I've always heard people who get to the point where they want to file for divorce that you know It should be a race to who can get there first because you always want to be the filer not the You know defendant or whatever. Oh and in my case it was a lawyer I was the one who filed the divorce and I was the one who filed the divorce I was the one who filed the divorce and I was the one who filed the divorce and I was the one who filed the divorce The filer not the you know defendant or whatever. Oh and in my case I never even thought about that like that was never even a thought process that I went through

It was I thought about every person involved and honestly I told someone this the other day that I think I stayed in the marriage Longer than I should have because of Will's parents because I was so close to them for such a long period of time that I didn't want to disappoint them Yeah, that was really hard for me too was like I love Tabby's family so much That was really really difficult for me and our divorce was so ugly and so public I didn't know about the like rushing to like racing to go I just remember I sat in David Peaver's office and I was like You know my husband said he filed for divorce and he he looked because you can see like filings and he was like he did not

In fact file for divorce. I said, okay. Well, I guess this is my sign to file and I filed right then and there But on the on the flip side of it when it came to custody with Chris I had a lawyer tell me go file for custody immediately. So, you know, you have paperwork And then when I let that attorney go and I got a new one. She was like I would have never filed for custody She was like it was going perfectly fine and basically he didn't want any parts Not that he didn't want any parts but he was kind of in and out as he pleased And I almost would have he probably would have fell off had I not filed for custody. Does that make sense? Yeah, you know, it's always it's always a risk whenever, you know, you involve a legal team

I'm like, you know, some decisions that I've made I look back on it and I'm like, you know what? I probably could have just hollered it out with will and carried on with our stupidity and incurred way less legal fees And done it that way. But I think that you get so scared in that moment that you're like, okay, you know what? No, like, I'm going to get this attorney because they they're going to tell you about yourself. Yeah, and then I still be the one that ends up telling him about himself. So I'm like, wait, I paid you to tell him about himself and I had to tell him about himself and his people told me about myself. Yeah, it's it's it's always tricky. Coffee Convos podcast is brought to you by better help. So it is the holiday season. And for some people, it's not an easy time. So I want to remind you guys that your mental health is important. And unfortunately, life doesn't come with a user manual. So when it's not working for you, it's normal to feel stuck.

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The wiener was not real. The coloration was off, first of all. No one goes like exactly that straight and moves in that way. Like I've never seen one move around like that before ever in my life. See, I feel like I have. Who? Who? Like the big ones.

I already know who. Bye. But on to, you know, more humble things. I saw this message that said, Lindsay, I was just listening to coffee combos about Jackson leaving his stuff, needs and wants at your house or Will's house and having them get brought to him. Sometimes kids will do this if they're still thinking their parents will get back together and are trying to get them to talk and see each other. I saw this. Especially if they're getting along something to keep in mind. What are your thoughts on this? I never, I don't think I ever experienced that.

I think had, because my kids were so young when I went through the divorce, I don't think that they thought of that. But had I gotten divorced now, I think they would have because they're pretty smart and they're clever. That does make sense to me. And that, you know, Jackson being an only child, he doesn't know any different. He, you know, he has known his parents together for, you know, his whole life. So I could see that being something that Jackson could maybe have done. I definitely know my child and when whoever typed this, Linda, Linda, when you type this, I was like, are you spying on my kid? So you feel the same?

Yes, I do. I think that there's definitely an element of Jackson is unorganized as fuck. And the only organization that he has in his life comes from Will Campbell or myself. So some of the stuff I think is like, he goes to play his game over there and then he realizes like, oh, crap, I don't have it. So I need to get it. But I do think that there's an underlying element of what she's saying in there. I do. Yeah, I could definitely see that.

God bless you, Jackson Campbell. Love you, baby. Oh, my heart. I saw another thing in the Facebook group and it said, question, has anyone had a mommy makeover? I've lost so much weight in the past few months. I'm getting a mommy makeover exactly one month from today and want to know what to expect recovery wise. I'm getting lipo and tummy tuck, breast lift, no implants and chin lipo. Any suggestions when it comes to recovery?

Okay, so recovery, I have to be completely honest with you guys. You're going to feel like you got hit by a truck. You're going to feel like you're literally dying on the bed afterwards. The healing process absolutely sucks from the lipo. But because you're getting lipo and a breast lift as well, it will take away a little bit of pain from the tummy tuck. I've heard when you just go get a tummy tuck by itself, it's the worst recovery. When I went, I did not get implants by Dr. Miami contrary to whatever rumors you guys heard or whatever. Dr. Miami did not do my boobs.

I had BBL lipo tummy tuck and then I also had him do my chin and my arms. A lot of times you don't get your arms done with the mommy makeover, but I was like, if I'm going to get lipo 360, I need everything to match. The lipo for me and the BBL was the worst. So I felt no pain from my tummy tuck. I also couldn't lay on my back because of my tummy tuck. But because it sounds like you're not getting a BBL, you'll be able to lay on your back, which will also be really nice. It's going to suck. There's no if ands or buts about it.

The lipo is by far the worst cosmetic procedure pain recovery that I've ever dealt with. But it is worth it in my opinion. I also plan to get a breast lift and reduction sometime next year if I can lose the weight. My only regret is not waiting until I was done having kids and I wish you the best of luck. Definitely take your meds and if you can eat on them, the pain meds and the antibiotics, please do because if you try to take them on an empty stomach, you will throw up. My friend, my poor friend, India had no idea what she was in for when she offered to come help me in Miami and she actually thought. I don't know why we thought this, but I had to be there for 10 days and she thought that it was going to be like a two day recovery and then we were going to go out and stuff. And she was not okay changing like my blood, my little blood bags and when I threw up, I needed help.

You're literally going to feel like you died. I've taken care of Kale sick before. Yeah. One time. I didn't think it was that bad, but also is your friend a mom? No. Okay. So I think that that's the difference because moms just have different guts.

100%, 100%. Totally, totally different guts. I have no experience with like a mommy makeover. Like maybe I should get one, but I don't have any experience with that other than I've had implants and I woke up and thought that they did something to my coochie. So like that's a whole other story that was captured on Chris Lee knows best. Um, yeah, that was just like a four hour surgery and my recovery was bad. Super easy. No, I didn't think it was bad at all.

See, I, I definitely am excited to do like the boob situation. Hopefully next year, Dr Miami said he's ready when I am. Throw some D's on it. Please don't throw some D's on them because I already have triple D's and. Um, yeah, lipo is because you guys, if you have never seen a lipo procedure, it is not a fun time. I highly recommend if you are getting lipo, do not. And I'm telling you, do not. Yes.

100%. Do not watch lipo videos before you get it done. You can watch them after, but don't watch them before because you might back out. And in fact, um, in 2000 January of 2018, I went back to Miami after I had lux. Um, and these are when those awful pictures of me surfaced on the beach in Miami and I had cellulite all down my legs and stuff. I ended up backing out of the surgery. Um, I don't really remember. I thought, you know what, I'll just lose it on my own.

I don't want to go through this again because the lipo is that bad. But again, I don't regret it. So, um, it's good, you're going to feel like shit for a couple of weeks, but you're going to be, you're going to love the results. Um, there was something else that was in there that both of us, um, really latched onto on the Facebook group. And it was about gender disappointment. Oh, and I have, first of all, I walk, I was reading those comments while I was rocking Creed to sleep. And I'm going to let you speak on it first. There was one comment in particular that kind of irritated me and run me the wrong way.

So I'm going to let you say your, your feelings on it and then I'm going to mention mine. Okay. So when I got pregnant, I, I think it's a natural thing to have a desire to have a boy or a girl. Yeah. Um, when I was a little girl, I always played, you know, babies and my baby was always a boy and I only always had like one baby and it was a boy. So in my mind, like as an adult that I'm going through this process. I'm like, I really want a boy. Um, I did all of those like little tests that like probably aren't even like the real thing because it wasn't a blood test.

But you know, like the ones you can get from CVS where you P and it's like, if it turns this color, it'll be this. Yes. So everything that I did was boy. And so I was like, okay, but I had convinced myself that it was a girl. So if I got to the doctor and they didn't see a wiener, I would be like, you know what? It's okay. Cause I already thought it was a girl. Okay.

So you basically like prepared yourself for either way, either way. However, I, as long as the doctor told me, like in all reality, as long as the doctor told me, you have a healthy, active, growing, precious baby, it wouldn't have mattered to me. Long term. Like I'm, I love that I'm a boy mom, but it wouldn't have mattered to me had it been a girl. My life would have just looked different and I wouldn't have known any different. So it wouldn't have mattered. Um, I think a lot of people go through gender disappointment because they have their mind so set that like they want a daughter or they want a son. And that's just it.

A lot of times you see these types of things when, um, you know, men want to carry on their family's last name. And so they're dead set on, they're going to keep trying to have a boy. Um, and then they just like keep spitting out girls. Um, I just, I don't, I don't understand the gender disappointment because I can, I can understand having a desire to have one or the other, but to be disappointed to me. I just like, don't fuck with that. So I'm not judging people who do though, by the way. I want to say that when I was pregnant with Isaac, I wanted a boy. Um, but I convinced myself that it was a girl also.

And I had a boy named, I was going to have the boy named picked out and then Joe wanted a girl. So he wanted to pick out the girl name, um, which I've said before Brooklyn. Thank God we didn't have a Brooklyn because there's a hundred of them. Um, and then I never found out for Lincoln or Lux. I found out for Creed. Um, I did not actually have gender disappointment with Creed. Um, I didn't shed a tear. I didn't really care.

It was just like, Oh, like, like kind of laugh it off. Like I only produce boys kind of thing. Mm hmm. Expected. Yeah. But I also agree with you when you said that it's like a natural thing to want a boy or a girl. Um, I have seen people, you know, be really upset that they're having one gender over the other. Um, the comment that kind of irks my nerves a little bit and I want to say this with empathy and compassion.

So please don't take this the wrong way. Um, but it's also something that my cousin went through and I, so I want to tread lightly, but I also have feelings on it. Someone basically said, well, I want a baby and I, you know, you should be happy with what you get, you know, and I do understand that perspective, but also people that can get pregnant and have gender disappointment. It's, you can't, you can't tell them to not have gender disappointment that they should just be happy with what they get. The struggles are not the same and you cannot compare pain. Um, you can't compare the disappointment and I don't think it's fair to because it's not someone else's fault that they, it's nobody's fault that someone can get pregnant or can't get pregnant. And, and, and maybe I'll get canceled for that, but you know, there was a time where I couldn't get pregnant. I had secondary infertility and my doctor said, you know, you should be happy with what you have to healthy boys and move on. And that's kind of the mindset that I had for a little while.

So, and I understood that it was like, okay, like, and I know there are people and he told me he said there's, there's people struggling at 40 years old to have one child, like be happy with what you have. And I understood that. And it's just one of those things where it's like, you can't, you can't as hard as it is, you can't compare circumstances or the disappointment or being able to get pregnant or not, or not pregnant. You know what I'm saying? I feel like, you know, for me, I do live by you should feel blessed with your blessings. However, just because you feel blessed with your blessings doesn't mean that you don't have a desire for something else. And, you know, I will say, I went through a period of time. When I was married to Will and us, you know, going through the process of, you know, do we want another? Do we not? Are we too toxic? Are we not? Like, are we just like a little bit toxic? And like, we could probably do this.

Going through that whole process. And the thought of having another child with him, I'm not going to lie. Like, there was a part of me once already had Jackson, that if I got pregnant again, I would have loved to just like stay a boy mom and would have been totally fine with that, right? But a big part of me was like, mmm, I was the first girl that one of their boys stated that was seriously gave them their first grandchild. And it was a boy. And now, like, I want to give a girl and like definitely went through that whole process and could tell you that if someone else had gotten pregnant with a girl before me, I probably would have been disappointed. I'm not going to lie. Like, I don't know if the word, the word is proper to be disappointed. I don't know what the right word would be because I would have been still happy. You know what I mean? Like, I would have been happy, but still like longed for something else. Yeah. And I feel like that's, it's human nature. And you can't tell someone else like what, what they can like be upset, saddened, hurt, what they're longing for, like that they're not allowed to do that. So how do you feel like when women who can't get pregnant and they are like, you should just be happy with what you get?

No, I don't, I feel, no, like, I don't feel like anybody has their right to say that to someone. I brought it back to there was a time where one of my girlfriend, I think I've said it on this podcast before, one of my girlfriends was in community college. I think she was taking two classes and I had six classes at a four year university and she was struggling with her two kids. I had two kids, I was pregnant, I was making it work and she was just saying how hard it was for her. And I was bitching to our other friend or mutual friend and she said, Kale, you can't, you cannot sit here and tell her that she's not having a hard time or that she's not struggling just because you're taking on something different than her. You guys have different strengths and weaknesses. You cannot tell her that she's not struggling. You cannot get mad at her because she can't handle what you can handle because there's probably something else in her life that she can handle that you wouldn't be able to. And I kind of brought it back to that when I read the comment and she was, you know, the woman was talking about just be happy with what you get because I can't get pregnant.

And it's, you know, she was very upset by the gender disappointment thing, but I mean, gender disappointment is real. Like people do have that. They do struggle with that. And so you can't tell them not to be upset because you can't get pregnant. But also, I guess I can't tell someone that can't get pregnant that they can't get upset about people who are, I guess it comes full circle. One thousand percent. I would love to know what other people think about this. Pair eyewear. I actually go to the eye doctor tomorrow to get a new prescription and Lux is getting his first pair of glasses. So Kristen texted me last night and she was like, these would be perfect for Lux, which she's not lying. These are going to be perfect and he'll be able to switch them out, which I know he's going to think is so cool. Change is really hard, but changing your glasses is usually harder than it should be.

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I have told you so many times, I don't know how that happened to you or you're smarter than that. I don't see how you would ever fall for that. There's been so many things I've said along the way. I do think that it's much easier to get involved in relationships that are toxic than what I thought, the ignoring of red flags. Also, I think in the beginning, sometimes you're so in lust or maybe they don't always show all the red flags. There's a difference between red flags and then accepting someone's actual flaws. Sometimes I think when you're meeting someone who sounds good, who looks good on paper, who's treating you really well, maybe you chalk the red flags up to flaws a little bit or they don't seem as red as they really are.

Or there's love bombing too. They seem perfect all the way around in the beginning and you're so far sucked in and then that's when the toxicity hits. I think there's also that. Of course, there are relationships where we're ignoring the red flags, which is me with somebody and maybe you with somebody. But there are other times where you think it's great and then you're already sucked in before it's toxic and then you could have never seen it coming. I want to ask you if this was ever your thought process. You start dating someone and you notice some things that feel off. In my situation, it was we started going on dates and we wouldn't really text that much.

But when we did, it would be sometime like in the day would never be at night. And it would be like every couple of days, which I thought was weird and then only see each other like once every seven or eight days. That's called bread crumbing. Wait, what? It's called bread crumbing. And what's that? It's essentially like you're somebody that you're interested in or someone that you are, you know, seeing will spend some time with you and make you feel like you're on top of that. Like make you feel really good and then drop off the face of the earth for three days.

Yeah. And then you see them again and then maybe they drop off the face of the earth for five days and bread crumbing to me is probably worse than any fucking thing else out there. Like as far as like the red flags, because that will get you attached in a way that you have no fucking like Lindsay, when this person bread crumbed the fuck out of me. And I also didn't want to be the one that, you know, because he would tell me that like he would have girls like immediately fall in love and like all. And so I never wanted to be that person that would do that or ask or anything like that. I wanted to be different so he would love me like he would pick me essentially because I'm different. I'm not asking you what are we, I'm not, I'm not begging to see you when you're not texting me. You're not texting me for three days.

I'm not texting you either. I did all of those things. I did exactly those coming, but you're, you're actually, you should, it's a double edged sword because you can't win. You cannot. I know what you're talking about. And I want to scream through this fucking microphone because that's exactly what I would wait and wait and wait. And like it was the adrenaline and the thrill of waiting for when that tech, that next text to hang out with me. Yes.

And like, okay, so maybe three days would pass and it would be like what's your schedule look like this week. And then, you know, give the schedule of availability and then able to hang out able to see each other. Then you know when you're going to that dinner or you're going to, you know, watch a movie or like whatever that is. That you don't want that night to be over because, you know, you're not going to hear from them for like another four or five days. And had I been more in tune with what was actually going on and less in tune with the fact that I, you know, wanted to play it cool and be like, you know what, I'm going to let things go at his speed. I'm going to be cool girl. He can text me when he wants to text me.

I'm not reaching out. If he wants to take me on a dinner date, he can reach out and ask me. So I was so wrapped up in that. Yep. That I was pretty much avoiding the fact that the entire situation was a red flag. Yep. The same thing happened to me and you that had never happened to me before. That was the first time I'd ever been bread crumbed.

So I didn't know. Yeah, there was other red flags. I'm sure. I mean, I'm trying to think back. But he had already bread crumbed me for six months before I saw, before I was invested to the point where like the red flag started showing. So the bread crumbing in and of itself was yes, a red flag, but I didn't know it at the time. And so bread crumbing is awful. It's so fucking horrible.

And I have to say that in that way, because to me, that's abuse. Now that I know, now that I've been in therapy, like that is abuse, but it's crazy because the abusee becomes the abuser. My next, my very next relationship, I did the same thing to that person. It was fucked up. You have to be, you have to be super mindful and diligent not to carry toxic behavior and patterns into next things because that's when it becomes cycles. And I was so diligent with my therapy, things that I did in my marriage and things that were done within my marriage, whether it be by will or by me. I identified those things to my therapist to talk through those things, work through those things, because I had such a desire to do all of the right things and whatever was next for me that I didn't want to repeat those patterns. So I do think that when you've got to be very mindful of what becomes your norm.

Yeah, I agree. There was two pieces of advice that I saw and I just want to read them. We don't really have to like go into them because they speak for themselves, but I saw something on Twitter and it said loyalty should never come at the expense of integrity. Anyone who asks you to violate your values doesn't deserve your allegiance, respecting your boundaries as a foundation of trust. The people worthy of commitment expect you to stand by your principles, not conform to theirs. Okay. I mean, that makes sense. I feel like that's solid advice.

That's solid. The other thing I saw was a TikTok. I'll post it either on my personal or coffee combos. And it says the number one skill needed for a long lasting relationship is not date nights. It's not holiday cruises. It's not walks on the beach. It's not giving each other gifts. It's not cooking for each other.

It's learning how to fight. The truth is any good relationship will always have conflict. You're never going to be in a scenario where you're dating where you don't argue. You don't have a disagreement because it's going to happen. That's that is so true. And I don't, I hate when I read communication is key. Communication is not fucking key. Communication.

Yes. You can, you can communicate until you're blue in the fucking face. Communicate my middle finger. Literally understand what my middle finger means because you can communicate all fucking day. If the other person is not hearing you, if they're not processing, if they're not receiving the information or they do not understand, it's never going to get resolved. So communication is not it.

Like I could, I've been in relationships where I've said I communicated in several different ways. Understanding is key and knowing how to argue. Like the other day Elijah said, oh, you know, I said, I was trying to talk to Elijah about something and he kind of just like rolled his eyes and I said, this is a conversation. It's not an argument. Like you don't need to, you know, roll your eyes or huff and puff. I said, we're adults.

We can have a conversation without arguing. And Elijah and I never argue. Like we've in, I don't know, almost a year now, we've only gotten into like actual arguments because I don't play that. I, you know, there, there is, I've been through it already, you know, I've been through the screaming matches. I've been through, you know, I put my, I pushed my ex-husband, you know, things like that. I'm all the way good on that.

I never want to go back to toxic kale. I'm sure I still have a little bit of toxicity in me, but I'm like, we can just have conversations, but we have to hear each other. We have to be able to express how we feel without the other person getting mad, rolling their eyes, huffing and puffing, walking away. You have to know how to argue or, or just disagree even. For my Yellowstone lovers, I'm going to Beth Dutton that bitch every time. And when she says to Rip, I love you.

I'll see you at home, but fuck you. Middle finger meat face. We're done. We're done. Like that is my form of communication. So whether you want to call it toxic communication, whatever kind of communication you want to call it, um, you know, typically before I start communicating in something, I've already decided what I'm going to say and what avenue like I'm willing to go down and how far I'm

willing to take it. Um, I believe that a key to a successful relationship is knowing how each other argues and bites. I agree. I wholeheartedly, and that goes with, I'm not just talking about like romantic relationships. That goes with co-working relationships, friendships, family relationships. That's like, you all have to know how to argue appropriately or disagree appropriately. Um, and I'm still working on that. Well, I'm glad that you're working on that.

I'm also going to be working on that as well. Um, I did want to ask this one question, uh, mainly because I want to know what yours is and it's like very quick. So this person says, okay, kitty gang, I have a weird habit. I can't go to sleep without a glass of chocolate milk. Anyone else have something that they must do before bed? What the fuck? That's awesome though.

See my therapist said, cause I suffer from insomnia so bad. Um, just getting into a routine where you know your body starts to, um, associate that queue with bedtime and I never believed it, but it's, there's a reason why they say to have your kids on a routine, but it also works for adults. Um, I take CBD before bed, um, with my supplements and that it like, I don't stay asleep, but I do like, I'll take all my supplements, ask her sin. I sent her a picture of all my stuff and then I take CBD and I, my body knows it's basically time to fall asleep.

I won't stay asleep, but I will fall asleep. Well, the weird thing that I do before bed that's like not weird is like, I have to put something on my lips. Like I cannot go to bed with my lips dry. Okay. I also love, um, before like a lip mask, like something my lips. So they're not dry. Yeah.

I'm not going to bed with my lips dry. Your body associates that with, okay, my lips are moisturized. I can lay down now. Yeah. Yeah. I also can't sleep without the fan on, not, not the, um, not for the like the feeling of it, but the noise. It's a noise.

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I mean, thankfully I'm not 14 feet tall, um, but I did drop it from about five feet and I was really nervous cause I just got this phone. But Lincoln was like, can you get me one of those for my phone? And so I definitely need to do that cause he's had like a really big bulky case on his phone. So bodyguards is the perfect phone case for all phones. I am also going to reveal that every person that I purchase gifts for for Christmas is also going to get a bodyguards case and screen protector and they're stocking.

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Be fresh and up after work. We love, we, despite whatever piercing you're getting, I don't care. We love that you went and cleaned up because I cannot tell you how many stories I've heard from piercers and tattooists, tattoo artists of people not cleaning themselves up. Okay. So gross. Yeah. Well, and how many waxing stories have we heard without freshening up?

You know? Just foul, foul, foul, foul. Be fresh and up after work and we all head to the piercing place. Be goes first. Okay. So are they both getting it done? Be goes first. I held one leg back and the other girl held the opposite leg.

After B was done, the other girl M asked the guy if he could change out her clit jewelry because she was unable to do it herself. Oh, I know where this is going. I know where this is going. M did not freshen up after work. So there were five of us plus the piercing guy in the tiny room. The smell of sweaty vagina and rubbing alcohol filled the room and I got pale. I then got hot and sweaty, started to get queasy and had to run out of the room.

I got a drink cooled off and was able to recover. There are two types of people in the world, a B and an M. There are two types of people in the world, be a B, not an M. Also, I love you guys. Never miss an episode. That is so fucking foul. Like I wonder did he, did he like tell her to like, okay, didn't even go to the bathroom at the piercing place. And like, you know how like when you go to the OB or the GYS for your annual and there's

like those wipes because you have to wipe from front to back before you do like a P sample. Oh honey, when I see those wipes in there, even though I've showered before I've gone because I, you know, have class, okay. I go in there and I rub one of those things all over my coochie, even though it's like super clean and then I, I rub it the way they tell me to as well. No, 100%. First of all, I'm not going to, why didn't she go freshen up? Like I just don't under, like that's your vagina.

First of all, if you didn't freshen up, but then you are going to drop your draws and let somebody play with your clit to take a piercing out and like you got sweaty coochie like for, no, absolutely not. Second or more, I didn't even know sweaty coochie was a thing because I don't really sweat that bad like ever. So I've never had like, I don't even know if it's so much sweat because I also don't sweat in my coochie, but women do have a, like there is a normal amount of discharge. It probably varies by person.

And so throughout the day, you do still have discharge or you do have hormones and things like that that are going to be there with no matter how clean you are. But that's, I wonder why I don't really have it. Like discharge. Yeah. Like that or sweaty coochie. Well, so I don't know if this is true or not, but I read something about like women who wear tight clothing, like leggings and things like that on a consistent basis.

It like breeds bacteria because you don't realize you're sweating, but like there's like things being produced down there and you're just in tight clothes. So if you're in those also, if you always wear underwear, this, I'm not a doctor. I'm just telling you what I've read. Like always wearing underwear and never giving your cat like a fresh air can also breed bacteria and stuff like that. And so it can cause more discharge than others. So like for me, I don't ever wear underwear to bed.

Okay. So we can move on after I say this, but I've got a couple of things to say. One, I never wear underwear. Like I have some backup pairs of underwear in case like I have to wear them, but I literally don't even wear underwear with blue jeans. Like it's just not a thing for me. Oh, so then that could be why you don't have a whole lot of discharge. Like literally don't even wear it.

And growing up, it was bedtime routine. My nanny always used to tell me growing up, like you take a bath, you take a shower, you wash out your, she called it my Lily, you wash out your Lily, you put on your pajamas and you do not put on underwear. Like you got to air your Lily out. Yeah. I've read that that's actually good to make sure you give her some air. So if anybody's not given their Lily air, give your Lily air.

Make some changes. Make some immediate changes. Okay. The second foul play, Hey girls, I love your podcast and figured I would share one of my drinking stories to give you all a laugh. I was on spring break where my two friends decided we should go bar hopping, which I had never done before. Finally, at around midnight, our Uber driver dropped us off at our separate locations.

Remind you, I was on spring break. So I was staying at my grandparents house with my mom, trying my drunkenly best to sneak in quietly. I go to the bathroom and start to undress. I sat down to pee. And once I was done, I stood up and quickly realized I had to pee some more. Well, as I sat down, of course, I lost my balance landing right on the toilet and smashing the toilet.

Water comes spewing out of the toilet all onto the floor, leaking out the bathroom door into my grandparents living room. And there is literally porcelain pieces everywhere. The loud crash and the sound of a waterfall wakes everyone up in the house. My mom was like, Jessica, what the hell are you doing? Yeah, Jessica, what the fuck are you doing? I guess I was holding a piece of the toilet tank saying, don't worry, I can fix this. I proceed to go back into the bathroom showing my mom and grandparents how I could just magically

piece it back together. First of all, Jessica, you were fucking 10 sheets. My poor grandpa then goes outside to pee and since I broke his toilet, somehow gets locked outside for a good 10 minutes while my mom and grandma are trying to put me to bed. The next day I woke up and was absolutely mortified. Of course, I replaced your toilet immediately. And to this day, four years later, I still get teased if I'm going to break the toilet again.

First of all, at least they were good sports about it. First of all, if you break your grandparents' toilet because you are shitfaced, like good for you and I'm glad that you have that type of energy. But if I ever fucking broke Faye Chrisley's toilet because I was shitfaced, absolutely not. She's not having it. No, she would immediately not be having this. And I would love to know other people's drunken stories that they have tried to sneak about

being drunk and hide their drunkenness from family members because I specifically have a story that I'm not going to share today, but I will, I will share it next week. I don't have any drunken stories. I'll also share my story. Like later. I'm actually, I'm scared because I might get canceled, but it was about when I was next week, I'll tell us 14 when I smoked weed. I can tell that story.

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