Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Pilates Era, 50 Cent Diddy Beef & Velco Kids

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

CC450: This week, Lindsie claims homeownership is a scam and that breakups are hard. Kail is both impressed and confused with all things Pilates. We get to the bottom of why Kail can't get into the holiday spirit, a saga involving custody schedules, family trauma, and that one time she tried to be a Christmas girly two years ago and failed. We get caught up on why 50 Cent is the right man to bring down Diddy despite potential lawsuits. Kail and Lindsie unpack the crazy " A Deadly American Marriage" docu-series and give their thoughts. Kail describes her Velcro Kids and Lindsie asks if it's healthy to have a child attached to your hip all the time?Thank you to our sponsors!Aura: Visit AuraFrames.com and get $35 off Aura’s best-selling Carver Mat frames by using promo code COFFEECONVOSBetter Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first month.Booking.com: Head over to Booking.com and start your listing today!Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to learn more!Thrive Causemetics: Go to thrivecausemetics.com/COFFEE for an exclusive offer of 20% off your first orderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Kayle and Lindsay. Good morning, kitty cat. Good morning from Dover, Delaware. Oh, my God. Kristen said that she was already picking out dates for the new year for me to be able to start coming in every six weeks. No, I truly am so ready for that because I just feel like, we vibe off each other in person so much more different like so much better you know what I mean like not saying we don't vibe on here but it's just different in person it's a very different vibe I have to tell you something so I've been crying all morning I somehow switched my GCFI you know like where it makes your power go out yeah um realized that I should not be a homeowner um I should live in an apartment. And I just started balling my eyes out. And it's not that time of the month.

So I don't know like what's going on. Um, breakups are really hard. Really hard. And that's why I look like what I look like today. Honestly, I think you look beautiful. And I also have to tell you, I went to T.J. Max. Okay. Max Anista. Yeah. The only thing that this Maxenista ball was eye gels that are defective. They're probably old. And that's okay. that's why I got them on a discount because I'm a cheap bitch. Kristen said Mercury is fucking everyone. Mercury is fucking everyone. And truly, it's this time of the year that I think that misery loves company and I am misery.

Oh my God. Okay. So I have to tell you, and Kristen does not know about this yet. Oh, my God. Breaking news. Okay. I'm scared. I've decided that I want to become a Pilates instructor.

Oh. I actually love that. that. Can we do a workout? Because I don't even know what Pilates is. Like, I could not tell you the first thing about Pilates. Listen, if I could get you and Kristen, like in a reformer, like, a reformer Pilates class with y'all's feet and those straps, like, just go ahead and take me out. Because, like, I've seen, I will have seen it all. I don't know the first. Like, I, if you showed me all these workouts, like, you know, there's like Pilates and CrossFit and fucking, I don't know what else. I would not be able to tell you the first thing about Pilates, but I am down and I support this message. Like,

if you want to be a Pilates instructor, first of all, could you picture Lindsay doing workout videos, doing lives? It's giving like, um, like the step-up classes and stuff, like from the 90s that all your grandmothers had. Please. Like, I would purchase the subscription. Immediately would be like, I'm not doing it, but I will watch it. No. I, But I want to try it. Like, is Pilates, do I have to buy equipment for Pilates or should have offered Pilates at Killer Sports? Because everyone talks about Pilates, but we don't have anywhere to do Pilates. Oh my gosh.

I could get certified and then I could certify somebody through Killer Sport. So you do not have to have equipment necessarily for Pilates. I mean, if we're talking like a ball, you know, like one of those like squishy balls. It's like a labor ball kind of deal. Um, yeah, but like smaller. So it can fit between your legs. Oh, oh, okay. We use that a lot, free weights. Um, a lot of people do mat Pilates and prefer it over reformer Pilates. I go to reformer Pilates probably six days a week at this point. What is that? Um, that's the actual equipment. So like, if you wanted to do Pilates on a reformer with like your feet and the straps, I'm sure you've probably seen like

the videos. No, I literally haven't. Okay, well, I'm going to have to send you some videos because it's cool as hell. But you can do just like Matt Pilates and it's a different kind of like Pilates workout, but a lot of Pilates is like balance. So I feel like you and Kristen would have a hard time. So what does becoming certified to be an instructor entail? Because I feel like I should probably also do this to be able to offer it at Killer Sports. So I don't know if you have a club Pilates like near you at all or if you could get to one, but I'm going to get certified through club Pilates. And I think the training starts around like January 30th. And it's six weekends, 66 hours. And then you have to sit for like a test and stuff. Do I have to be, should I get fit first? No. Like there's all different types of people from like different walks of life, different fitness.

levels, which is kind of like cool about it because you can tailor that workout. Oh shit. Kristen's got us a video. Oh, I can't wait. Men do it too. Humbling the boys at Pilates again. Is that a performer? Like flexibility is a big thing too. Let's go team. Is that machine a reformer? Yeah. No, that looks so fun. I love it. It is so fine. Like I can't wait. to get on a reformer. Like, me getting on a reformer is like the equivalent of a good lay. Wait, why don't you own one? I don't need to be working out at home.

Oh, okay. Because it's just not going to happen. I do not have enough, like, discipline to do that at home by myself. Right. No, I need to be in a studio. Oh, last week we talked about, was it last week? at some point we talked about ferrets and parrots that i was going to say something about that so Kristen told me about a bird adoption on saturday and i was going to go to the bird adoption

but unfortunately i came down with the flu and i texted and christin texted me and she said you're not going to want to hear this but you cannot go see the birds because you can get them sick and i did not know that like i feel like right now i'm sick but like i'm on the mend like i'm I can go out and run errands, but like I shouldn't because I'm sick. And so she was like, you can't come. And so before that, I had gone to my friend, the developer, who's building killer sports. They just got a macaw, like a big bird that looks.

It looks like a parrot, but it's not a parrot. They had just gotten one from the same place that Kristen got her bird. Okay. We were having a bird adoption on Saturday and I couldn't go. So we were almost, we were this close to having a coffee combos mascot. You were going to show up with it. week. Yeah. Like, if I wasn't sick and I got to go to that bird adoption, like, I already had it plotted out in my head, like, what bird I wanted. There was, there's so many birds that need homes that,

like, oh, my God. And so, um, next time. So do they only do these adoption? Is it kind of like how pet smart does it? It's like weekends and they bring out like all the dogs and cats and stuff. Like, is that the same thing? Oh, she said. Every day. Oh, okay. Oh. Oh, okay, they have an adoption room. Okay, I feel so much better. I did think it was like a big, like once a month, like come adopt a bird kind of deal. So that makes me feel better. So they have...

Wait, if these birds, like, had families before? Yeah, but I guess they, like, maybe someone died. Maybe they moved and couldn't have a bird. Maybe they're not good bird owners. Like, I don't know. But there was all kinds of birds. Like, I wanted to look at the adoption available ones first. Mm-hmm.

Um, a lot of dying. Oh, like the owners die. Okay. So they're all, okay, that's good. That's comforting to know that like they were most likely cared for, but they're like, I came from a loving home. The person just unfortunately passed away now taking a dirt now. Yeah. Yeah. Like that is absolutely so sad. Um, I have seen so many videos about birds more so recently because once you said that you were going to get one, I was like, I need to go and like look at videos of birds and see what she's, actually getting into. And there's a lot of videos of people talking about birds being like put in their will. Yes, because they'll typically outlive the owners. You only get one bird? I think you can have more than one. I know the, uh, my friends that I was just telling you that they just got a macaw. They're already talking about getting another one. Kristen has considered getting another one. Um, so I think it just depends on the family, on the bird itself. Like, it just depends. You know what? It's giving. It's giving that one book that you told me. me to read about um it's one of the abbey books and the birds like in the book and it says

cuss words was it just for the summer i think it was mentioned and just for the summer but it was whatever book i read right before that i feel like oh yours truly i think it was yours truly i can't remember which one had the bird and like the family of the guy had the bird and when he brought the girl over. She was talking about how like the bird said cuss words. Like it was dropping F bombs and like all kinds of stuff because it was the granddad's bird and he cussed. So the bird cussed. Wait, I don't remember which one. Let me ask the book club girlies. Which Abby book had the bird that cussed. Speaking of Abby Jimenez, she has a new book coming out, the one with the fireworks on the cover. Yes. It's called The Night We Met, but also did you happen to read Megan Quinn yet?

I'm reading Megan Quinn right now. I think I'm on chapter 13. Okay. I love Megan Quinn and she has two Christmas. She has a Christmas book from last year called How My Neighbor Stole Christmas, which everyone loved in my book club. I didn't read that one. But they voted on Merry Christmas, You Filty Animal for this month's book of the month. So if you want to read that. Yeah. It's supposed to be like really cute and everyone loved the first one. So. And I'm a Christmas girlie. I know you're not. But that's why I was telling you because I was. I know you're a Christmas girlie, it might be right up your alley. So CoffeeCobbo's podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever think about switching insurance companies to see if you could save some cash? Progressive makes it easy. Just drop in some details about yourself and see if you're eligible to save money when you

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Support the show by mentioning us at checkout. Terms and conditions apply. Oh, wait. Let's take a walk down memory lane for a second. Do you remember last year when you were going to try to be a Christmas girly and you got like the, like, wildly decorative tree? That was two years ago. Okay, well, whatever.

Do you remember it? I remember. Why did you do that? You know, I was trying to get back into the Christmas spirit and Lux asks about Christmas a lot, but I, it really just didn't feel like, like, when I look back and I, like, think about it, it's like, it still didn't, it did not feel like Christmas. Like, you, it didn't, it wasn't. Can we talk about you with the holidays for a second?

because I am trying to wrap my head around. I feel like I'm basically your therapist right now. I'm going to diagnose you. I feel like because you didn't really celebrate the holidays other than what, going to like your families on Thanksgiving. You said that your mom always like did good about that. Yeah. Up until my great grandmother died, maybe a little after that, yeah, for Thanksgiving.

For Christmas, I probably stopped around 13. my mom stopped celebrating Christmas altogether. But do you feel like the reason that you don't want to do it with your kids is because of your childhood trauma, or is it because it's just so convoluted with all the parenting schedules and stuff that you don't want to make plans? Both. Both. I think it really started me not doing it really started with all the dads and the custody and, you know, we're still, like, it doesn't matter what's in the order at the end of the day. It's like some people celebrate Christmas Eve. Some people celebrate Thanksgiving.

Christmas Day. But then also, like, I think one of the first years that Javi and I were married, it was like, we, I wanted to go see my family, Northern Pennsylvania. Hobby's family was in Allentown, which was like two and a half hours away. And Joe's family was in New Jersey. So there was no way to split the holiday half. And then it was, all of us were celebrating Christmas Eve and none of us were celebrating Christmas day.

And then my cousin and I got divorced on the same. the same year and we got opposite Christmas years. So it was like she had her kids on Christmas on the opposite years that I had my kids on Christmas and it was like, well, I'm not going to drive four and a half hours to get up there if you don't even have your kids or I don't have my like it just like it was too much. And at that point I was just like, fuck it. I mean, are you like totally against just, you know, doing something simple at home like

hors d'oeuvres and finger foods and stuff? for your kids and like a book exchange, I think would be really cool for you guys because y'all are book lovers. I would, but I don't have them for the whole, like, I don't, I don't have them starting, I think, don't quote me on this, but I think I don't have them starting December 20th. So it's like December 20th all the way through the new year. I don't have them. And I mean, I understand that people have to go off of their parenting plans because I feel like you really can't plan life unless you're utilizing it. Um, for us, we, we really don't go off of it, except for the days of the week that we're in school. Right. Does that make sense? So,

like, he always has him Monday, Tuesday. I always have him Wednesday, Thursday. We alternate the weekends. But it's like, if shit comes up, I mean, for example, Christmas holiday. I'm taking Jackson to Disney from the 18th through the 23rd. I have no idea whose time that is. But you're just doing it and no, aren't. He's fine with it. And then we'll come home. I'll do Christmas with him on Christmas Eve. And then Will, we'll take him to his parents on Christmas Day. Oh, see, but I love that. So we literally, I couldn't even tell you whose Thanksgiving holiday it was, because Will had him for half of the break. And then I had him for half of the break. And I don't know, I had him for Thanksgiving. Did you see the news about 50 cent and his, um, and his,

decision to executive produce a docu series about Diddy? Listen, I, 50 cent is so funny to me because you would. 1,000%. I don't think he's good looking, but like, it's funny because he knows where to, he knows how to make money. So he's like, hold up, this is, this is going to be a big one. Let me produce this. I just think that's so funny.

I did see all kinds of like AI generated pictures and stuff of Diddy in prison. And I shouldn't laugh, but I was laughing because it was just like what in the world. I don't know anything about is there beef between 50 and Diddy or what? I feel like that there has always been beef with 50 and Diddy for like as long as I can remember. And I have always been a 50 stand. like absolutely love him so do you remember when he was on dancing with the stars no i thought i'm going to be so real with you i don't know if it's fake news i don't know if it happened and he recovered i the last thing i remembered about 50 cent was i thought he filed for bankruptcy and was

like not doing well well he's going to be doing well when he gets done this i don't maybe i made that up did 50 cent file like did you just make up that somebody wrote In 2015, he filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Well, he's not going to be bankrupt anymore because he says in a quote, if I didn't say anything, you would interpret it as hip hop is fine with his behaviors. He told ABC News, Robin Roberts, in an exclusive interview that aired on Good Morning America, it says there's no one else being vocal. So you would look at it and just say, mind your business. Or let me not say nothing about nothing. or those things would allow an entire culture to register if therefore that behavior.

Hold on. What was the beef between 50 and Diddy? Because like why that? You know what I mean? Oh, it literally says it started in 2006. Girl, like this was like when in the club came out. Like this says it started in 2006 when 50 Cent released a disc track called the bomb, which implied Diddy had knowledge. of the murder of notorious Vig, which, I don't know if you remember this, but Eminem also did a song about, um, did he having, I want to say, putting the hit out on Tupac? Um, wait, I think that that's true. Oh, no doubt. No fucking doubt.

Their conflict evolved over the years with persistent social media trolling from 50 cent and occasional back and forth exchanges fueled in part by a perceived rivalry between their vodka brands. The feud intensified around. 2023, 2024 with a new Netflix documentary from 50 Set about Diddy, which further aggravated the situation. I don't know about anyone else. I plan to watch the said documentary. I'm absolutely watching this. So it says, in a statement to ABC News Monday, Combs representative criticized the new dokey series claiming the never-before-seen footage was stolen and calling the series

a shameful hit piece. And a quote, it says Netflix relied on stolen footage that we was never authorized for release. As Netflix and its CEO, Mr. Combs has been amassing footage for decades since he was 19 years old to tell his own story in his own way. It is fundamentally unfair and not to mention illegal for Netflix to misappropriate that work. How do we feel? We both ask the same question. How do we feel about that? I feel like when you are charged for the crimes that Diddy was charged and unfortunately not convicted for all of them, I don't give a fuck what amount of work you put into any fucking thing. You don't deserve to see the light of day outside of prison.

And I cannot even believe that he literally will be released at some point in our lifetimes. Like, whether it's next year or the next five years or 10 years, like, I don't care what work you put in when you have disrupted and truly just like ruined the lives. of so many people. I don't feel bad for you. I don't care. And the work should go to someone else. I feel like I could understand why somebody would be upset if the footage was like illegally obtained. And they had been amassing that for since 19 years or however long they're saying. I could understand why somebody would be upset and I would not be shocked if there's not a major lawsuit that comes out of this. It also said,

that it is shocking that Netflix gave creative control of this production to 50 cent, a long time public adversary who has a personal vendetta against Mr. Combs and has made a career of slandering and defaming him for Netflix to hand his story to someone who has publicly attacked him for decades feels to Mr. Combs like an unnecessary and deeply personal affront. So, so what? I, like, okay, if, first of all, is Netflix? Netflix putting money behind it or are they buying it from $0.50? Because that's the other thing. Like, I have been in talks with people, production companies. And you've been on TV. I've been on TV. Like, we know how this works. Usually Netflix is the buyer. But are they producing? I'm just wondering. Well, you know, production. It might be a situation to where maybe it was pitched to major streamers. And then.

like pitch by 50 cent to major streamers. And then they did a deal. Because for whatever that article that you just read saying like why they would give this to 50, that's not. And I'm not saying that's, that's not how it worked. But usually it's like a production company goes to Netflix. And Netflix is like the streaming service that buys it. But it sounds to me from that that Netflix is putting money into this being created. I'm just now reading this. I mean, I somewhat, followed his trial and stuff, mainly to just see the photos of like the family. But I did not realize that he was only found guilty of two prostitution offenses and was acquitted on racketeering conspiracy and two counts of sex trafficking by force,

fraud, or coercion in connection with Combs' former girlfriend Cassie. Yep. Yep. And I think allegedly was still putting hits out on people. What? Yeah, I read that. I mean, that I'm saying allegedly because I don't know if that's true, but also didn't one of his houses like burned down or something that had so much evidence. So like to me, I don't really care. Like you're an awful fucking person. I don't care. Like and this is it, this goes beyond like, oh, I don't like him. Right. Like this is like you have what you have done has impacted the lives of hundreds of people. I don't. I really don't care where. you know, all of this footage, you know, goes and who uses it. Like, I don't care. I have no sympathy. I have no empathy. I don't feel bad. The only reason that, like, I can kind of understand regardless of the stuff that he's done, like, it's not to dismiss any of that. But I just feel like anyone using someone else's name on a documentary, because it happened to me, using someone else's name and profiting off of that and not giving them the opportunity

to also, it didn't have anything to do with profit for me. It had to do with, if you're going to tell that story, then also let me tell my side of the story. But when we're talking about trafficking humans, does he really, do we really want to hear what he has to say? All he's going to do is deny it. No, but I think that it could possibly prevent a lawsuit. because I absolutely believe that Netflix will be sued. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. The holidays are a time of traditions,

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It says that actually he's already sent a cease and desist, demanding that they not release Sean Combs the reckoning. Well, it's too late for that. Once the money gets put out for it, honestly, I think it'll make so much, I think it will make enough money that a lawsuit will be like they won't care. If I'm not mistaken, and maybe you or Kristen would know more than I would, In your situation, I absolutely feel like you should have been consulted and been able to tell your side of the story. It just kind of feels icky for someone, anyone, to be profiting off of someone else's name, likeness, brand. I don't know. Like, I've kind of always felt that way.

This doesn't even have anything to do with 50 Cent and Sean Combs. I've kind of always felt that way about documentaries just in general. it's circumstantial for me um you said it's circumstantial for me Kristen's in here telling Kristen i will or Kristen's in here telling us i will kill all of you then she says look at how many documentaries were created on Idaho for some family participated in some others had no family participation like yes are we hypocrites when we say we don't want people profiting off of Idaho before. We've said that. But then we read the book. We watched the documentaries. And it's for information purposes. I think that we were just so invested. I could understand why people maybe wouldn't

participate in a documentary, but like give the option. Like give the choice for both sides. Okay. So what you're saying is like if 50 cent was going to do this, he should have given Sean Combs the opportunity to say something in the documentary. Yeah. And I just also, feel like we don't know that he hasn't like but i also just feel like it would prevent a lot of issues like what's transpiring now the cease and desist and like all the things you can prevent that by just doing it the right way like none of us really give a shit about what sean combs has to say but i do think to get both sides of the story quite frankly i would like to watch this and just watch and why.

I mean, I would be curious to know if they reached out and he said no, and he's still like trying to get them to not release it. But it's also like, I don't know with the crimes that he's committed. And I believe that he committed all those crimes. I don't know that I care or not. It's sort of like somebody that keeps popping up in my timeline is Joe, what the fuck was his name? with the lions.

Huh? Joe. Joe with the lions. Krista, do you know what the fuck she's talking about? The Lion King. Oh, Joe, uh, Tiger King. Tiger King, Tiger. The Tiger King, he keeps popping up, right?

Yeah. Documentary on him, like I would want to see both sides. You know, people that are against him, but also like I'd want to hear his side. I do not give one single fuck what Diddy has to say. Like, I just. I mean, I don't care what he has to say either. I'm just saying from, like, a business standpoint and being a part of a documentary that I wasn't necessarily a part of and, like, didn't have a choice. Like, I could see why that would quite literally piss somebody off.

Not the Lion King. I forgot about freaking Joe Exotic. Oh, he keeps popping up on my timeline. Like, I don't even know why. Why is he in prison still? You know, he tried to get a pardon from Trump. And I saw like, wait, wait, did he have a conversation with Trump? I don't know if he had a conversation.

I just know that he tried to get a Trump pardon at some point. He hired a limous, like a limousine SUV, like to pull up because he had convinced, this man had convinced himself he was getting that pardon. And it was like pulled up outside the prison. The deadly marriage situation. I was not prepared for it. I had never heard of the case before. So when I had to be either. No, I had never heard of it ever. Basically what happens in this documentary is that a husband and wife are, they're married. He has two children, two or three

children? No, I think it was two. Wasn't a boy and a girl? Yeah, I don't know why some, why I thought maybe there was a third. But okay, so a boy and a girl, two children from a previous marriage, that wife had passed away. She died. And they were... Her wife was like the nanny, right? Yep. So the dad and the children were from Ireland, I believe.

And they hire an opair, which is a fairly inexpensive service, nannying service, because I did look into it. Ends up marrying the nanny, but never allows the nanny to adopt the children. So that was interesting to me. And then the wife, her parents live a couple hours away, but they come to visit. And when they're visiting, there's an explosive fight that happens in the master bedroom between husband and wife. Father-in-law, the wife's dad, enters the room. And, I mean, it's a blood bath.

I've never seen something. It was giving Jody Arias. Yes, it was. Like, the amount of blood, that crime scene was great. gruesome. I mean, a chunk of his skull and hair was on the floor. Like, it was, and at one point, they showed the back of the door, which means that at some point it was closed, but it was open at some point. And long story short, the dad and the daughter go back and forth, like, sort of taking blame for it. And so nobody actually knows how this all started and ended. They don't know who

actually killed who. Wife is saying that the dad, the husband was attacking her. And then went after the dad and then she defended the dad. But then the dad is saying the opposite that the husband was attacking the wife and he was protecting his daughter. And I mean, I just have to say as gruesome kill as that crime scene was, wasn't the grandmother like in the basement or something like that. Please tell me how no one heard anything that was going on, like how she woke up. Because I think it said in the documentary that she woke up and like heard something. and then went back to bed. Yep.

She woke up, heard something and went back to bed. And then the kids originally were like sort of lying for the mom or this is where it got tricky for me because the husband that passed away, rest of peace, goes to a psychiatrist. He gets on new meds. He talks about being angry for no reason. He talks about lashing out with his psychiatrist. And the kids say that in their initial interviews. that they, you know, witness their dad sort of lash out and yell.

And he describes that himself, but then they take it a step further saying that they saw him hit mommy. And then later on, they recant that and say that the mom told them to say that. And so part of me is wondering if maybe there is some truth to like the anger and the lashing out, but maybe not necessarily like the hitting. I mean, I do think there's a little bit of truth to every part of every story. right. I just can't get behind why we would have a brick in a master bedroom. No, truly. She said that the kids were going to clean it or something. Yeah, they were going to

paint paint the brick from what I recall. But that seems so far-fetched. Like, also, why are we painting in our master bedroom? It feels like it was definitely like premeditated, even her calling her parents. Would you, and knock on wood, I hope this never happened. If something were to happened to Will and you got remarried, would you let that person adopt Jackson? I think there's a lot of variables there. I think it depends on the age. You know, if these children were little kids, like two, three years old before school age, I would say, yeah, most likely. I would. I don't know how old those kids were whenever their mother passed away. I don't either. I want to say they were like Lux and Creed's age, maybe.

maybe younger. I think that that's like such a tricky thing and it's so personal because it almost would make me feel like I was betraying him in some way. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But then I'm like I'm betraying him, but then not honoring the person that's now raising my child as their own. I'm just like trying to think through this. Like I just don't know. I feel like it would be a a situation if the child asked and if the wishes were of the adult that would, you know, possibly want to do that. If they both came to me, then I probably would be like, yeah, but we really need to think about it.

That's so interesting. Because initially I was like, oh, that's weird. Like, why wouldn't he want his, if he thought he was going to, I don't know. But then to your point, like, upon further consideration, it's like, you know, I think it is very circumstantial. Like, you know, I just think that it really does depend on the circumstances. I don't know why I'm like getting the feeling that I would feel like that that would be betraying his dad upon his death. Yeah.

And I guess I could see like for the, depending on how old the child is, the child might think that you're trying to erase the other parents' memory. So to your point. But maybe if it was like a baby or a toddler, that might be a little different because it's like you obviously want them to. Well, then at that point, you're. robbing, if it's a baby or a toddler, at that point, you're robbing the person that you're now with and then also the child from ever experiencing. I mean, I guess they'd experience the same thing without the adoption. Like, I feel like it's just a piece of paper, but I also feel like that about marriage. So interesting. I'd be curious to see what people think. But I don't know.

I my theory on that is that it was premeditated I think the brick being in the master bedroom is like what sealed the deal for me don't know why we would have just a rogue brick in there regardless of a bat like yeah and a baseball bat like I mean my granddaddy slept with a baseball bat like underneath his bed and the event of an intruder so you know like maybe I could see that but just like a rogue brick like come on I think it was premeditated. I think that the grandparents were there. And if the guy did have anger issues, like maybe it was a situation to where she enraged him and caused him to do whatever he was doing. And then she tried to pull the self-defense and then have parents there to help. Well, and let's not forget that her dad was a former FBI agent. I also thought that that was kind of odd. And didn't they mention that, like, he knew how.

how to kind of like get around things because of that. Yep. His whole interrogation was like him leading. He knew what to say, what not to say. So I guess if you're in the market to commit murder, make sure your parent is a former FBI agent. Or have been to prison already. Yeah.

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I also have a Velcro kid. I don't mind it. I mean, I love, I love it, but also, like, is it healthy for them, you know? I think it is. I think just by, like, nature, like, if you take it all the way back to the. caveman days, right? And what were they doing with their babies? Like, they had to. They couldn't leave their babies anywhere because of predators. So the reason I brought this up was because there was an article on parents.com. And I had literally just sent a photo to somebody and I was like

Velcro boy. Jackson loves to snuggle with me all the time. He's up my ass 24-7. If he can't hear me in one part of the house, he comes to find out like what I'm doing somewhere else. take a shit in peace, like knocking on the door, mom, what are you doing? Like, taking a shit is what I'm doing. So this article says that it's normal for young kids to want to be near their caregivers, even if it feels overwhelming at times. Klingy behaviors can change with a child's age, personality, or life events, and it doesn't mean that you've done anything wrong. Setting gentle boundaries, encouraging independence and taking breaks when you can help both you and your child feel more balanced. Like, what is the true balance, though?

I don't for me there isn't one there like I know when I when I work from home in my office and stuff like I have to hold my pee all day until I know that the kids are napping to come out of office because once I come out there is no middle ground like that's it for the day wait do you have multiple Velcro children yes who are they I know one which one creed oh without a doubt and I mean like last night

Lux Lux is Lux goes back and forth with it like I have slept in his bed last night he was like you said you were not

asleep over with us I'm like okay so slept there but the babies all three of them and like I only have two legs so if I'm sitting down I'm sitting down

and Allie's like sort of has her body on one, like chest to chest. Okay. So if Versa Rio comes up on the other leg, don't let that leg or arm touch her because at that time and vice versa, they will push the other one off. Don't let them touch. It's two separate Velcro children, okay, like this. Mm-hmm. So I went over to Elijah's yesterday and it was all three of them.

Like the babies are three solid Velcro children. But what do you think causes it? Like, is it your personality or is it raising? Like, I don't think it's caused. I think it's just human nature. Like, I think if given the opportunity, every child would have it. But I think so often, especially our generation and boomer generation is don't hold that baby. You're going to spoil it when really it's human nature.

But I think the boomer generation specifically is like the cry it out, let them, put them down, put them down, put them down, you're going to spoil them. No, that is literally how they feel secure. That is how they feel love. That is how they feel that's how you have a healthy relationship. I think it's just human nature. I mean, I couldn't even imagine what life would be like without a El Crooked. Like, if I had a second child and it wasn't, I feel like I would feel robbed. I know it's like probably like not the healthiest thing to like. No, I think it is. I I think that humans today are making it seem like it's not healthy, but I think it is. I think it's human nature and the way that it's supposed to be.

Like when people are required to go back to work at six weeks and they're giving their babies up to daycare and other child care providers, you're trying to reverse human instincts. You know what I mean? Like I'm thinking about especially when Lincoln breastfed babies, right? Yeah. he had to fall asleep touching my face like he it was always putting a hand on my face falling asleep for like two years probably going on to three years like I genuinely think that is how it's what like oh stop co-sleeping but that is literally human nature what do you think that in the beginning of

time what did you think that humans were doing well there wasn't like cribs and shit like maybe in a crib a hawk's going to come down and grab it right like where did they sleep I think in a cave. And I'm ready for the cave. Bring me back to the cave. Take me to the cave that those said I belong in. I'm ready. Take me back. I just, I don't know. Like, I was always an advocate for co-sleeping that we did until Jackson was literally like three years old before he ever went to his own bed. That child never slept one night in a crib. And it's, it can be overwhelming at times sort of like breastfeeding was really hard work over stimulating like and like sometimes you just want a night to yourself but like I find myself now that I don't have anyone co-sleeping with me

that I miss it so like I don't mind sleeping in my kids beds if they ask me to let a lot of times like oh just lay with me to rub my back and I end up falling asleep like I don't care like I'll just do it it's exhausting sometimes sometimes I wake up overwhelmed but like ultimately I know they're only little for so long. Do you feel like you get outtouched? Because when Jackson was little, I feel like he was constantly just touch it. I mean, attached to the hip, touch my face, touch my hair, pulling all my pants, like. Or like if you're trying to look in the kitchen, even to load the dishwasher or like put

something in the crock pot and they're like at your foot. Like it's just that little like you're just outtouched, overwhelmed, overstimulated. and then, like, in an hour, if you just leave me, if you leave me alone and then come back in an hour, I'll be fine. But, like, in this moment, I'm so overwhelmed. So overwhelmed. And I look on it now and I'm like, what I would give to have those days back, though. Oh, especially because Lincoln is my most, like, I have to work to figure out what's going on with him. Like, he doesn't, for his dad, too. Like, he's not very forthcoming about his feelings. So, like, now that I have to, like, you know, up time to like really talk to him and whatever he I would give anything to be with him one more

time so that he could just put his hand on my face and go to sleep it's the sweetest thing and like I cannot relate more to like the dishwasher situation because I didn't have any help so will was always out working a damn job and I was at home holding down the fort cooking a crockpot meal and taking care of Jackson by my lonesome and it's like they're playing with all of the kitchen stuff and you're trying to get stuff cleaned up and you're like now I have this other mess and now they want to be held and do you understand that like I was lopsided for years because you were always having yes because I always held did do you always hold from like the same side like you pick up from the same side usually I would but now that I have twins I'm like

always with both yeah how does that work uh well that's amazing to me honestly like Like, watching twin moms is fascinating. It's, listen, if you were to ever have another child, I would wish twins on you because it is so, it's so cool. It's really so cool. Like you love it? Yeah, I mean, it's hard. Don't get me wrong and it's exhausting, but like, it is so cool to just like watch them. But yeah, holding both of them, especially when I'm lopsided, but I have two because Valley is so much heavier than verse that I'm like, wait, hold on.

I know. Isn't it so crazy? I feel like they used to be closer in size. And then now I feel like she's hit a growth spur that he has not hit. Yeah. She's, I mean, she's, her feet are two sizes bigger than his. What? Yeah. She wears an eight and he wears a six. That's crazy. Yeah. It's so fascinating, though. It's really cool. Well, on that note, we have foul play. This foul play comes to you from a sleep deprived first time mom was learning how to take care of her new baby boy. My husband and I have been doing everything together these first few weeks, supporting each other and just trying to figure out how to keep the little man alive and

thriving. Totally relatable. The first night we were home from the hospital, I was changing little man's diaper with my husband standing next to me in moral support. Little man was crying and letting us know how much he despised diaper changes. Everyone warns you about baby boys peeing mid diaper change, but I was not expecting the chaos of it happening to us for the first time. I was elbow deep in wiping him when all of a sudden he's shooting himself in the face. I start cleaning up and he's peeing all over again and shoots my husband in the face.

My husband and I looked at each other and how wet little man is at this point and say, fuck it. Let's go get him in the sink for a sponge bath. I pick up the baby, Sand's diaper. He decides it's the perfect time to let a huge fart rip getting poop all over me. So a sharp. At this point, my husband and I are dying of laughter. The sleep deprivation gave us a level of delirium. that helped us find this moment extremely funny.

However, as a newly postpartum mom, you know my own bladder control is compromised. Luckily, it was in my own diaper. If you know, you know, because I was laughing so hard, I started to pee myself. Eventually, we got it all cleaned up, but who knew our first bonding moment as a fresh family would be the 1 a.m. diaper change.

My son and I both needing a diaper change. I love that, and I'm so sorry. I honestly think that people downplay the level of exhaustion that comes with the first six months of motherhood? Listen, I definitely took to heart when I was told from all of the older people around me, they were like sleep when the baby sleeps. Bitch, I took that all the way to heart. Like, he's taking a three-hour nap, so is mama.

Like, I would say the hardest part is for any new mom's listening, or if you know a new mom, like the sleep deprivation for me was the hardest part. Like, I still have PTSD from it. And I will tell you that getting your baby on a routine that works for them, I'm not saying force them into something they don't like and that is not working. But when my kids were regularly, routinely napping at the same time every day, everyone was happier because I knew I would have that window of time to sleep as well. I feel like the sleep deprivation is so hard on marriages.

I'm convinced that that's why some divorce has happened because of the sleep deprivation. We were so tired. And I feel like I also wanted to spend time with him when Jackson was sleeping because it was like the only individual time that we had that, you know, we weren't caring for him. So that's like really, really hard also. But I feel like the diaper situation with boys, like no one really prepares you for it. until it happens to you. Yeah, agree.

And it's like an oh shit moment. And I had to learn, like, I would put the diaper. So I, the diaper's on, right? And then the next diaper I would put, like, on underneath it. Oh, you and Sterling both told me about that. You didn't do that? No, I never did that before. I'm going to take a, like, obviously my child's body parts will be covered with the old diaper.

Yeah. But I'm going to take a picture of what you mean, how, like, when you lay them, down to change their diaper. They have their dirty diaper on. And you put the clean one unfolded under their butt before you take the old one off. I'll take a picture with the diapers on. No body part showing. It is, it is like a game changer. Yes. It is the diaper hack. Okay, well, that's all we have time for today. Thank you guys for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple Podcast app, follow and rate on Spotify, or listen wherever you get your pods for our latest merch visit coffee convo's podcast.com to shop full video episodes are

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