Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Protecting Our Children & The Meaning of I Love You
Episode Date: May 11, 2023CC284: Kail says that one of the schools her children attend is getting bullet proof doors for safety, and Lindsie shares a conversation she had with Jackson in regards to emergency school procedures.... They reminisce on their own school days and this leads to the bigger conversation of wanting to protect your kids versus robbing them of positive experiences. A particular tiktok has Lindsie howling as she sees it happening to Kail, we find out Lindsie CAN disagree with her favorite person, Steve Harvey, and why does the phrase "I love you" take on different forms? The Facebook group comes through with relationship questions and a Foul Play that confirms why NOT to have threesomes. Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more! Thank you to our sponsors!Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first monthBiOptimizers: Use code COFFEECONVOS for 10% off any order at magbreakthrough.com/coffeeconvosEarth Breeze: Visit EarthBreeze.com/coffeeconvos for 40% off your purchaseProgressive: Visit progressive.com to learn moreZocdoc: Go to Zocdoc.com/CONVOS and download the Zocdoc app for FREE
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I hate gift giving and receiving.
Receiving gifts is so weird.
What do you say, thank you?
This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley.
I really want you to be in your feels, Kale.
That does not interest me whatsoever.
I feel very attacked by you.
A spirited discussion about motherhood,
friendship, family, and life in the public eye.
I'm just not with the fakery anymore.
There's a fakery bakery around here.
Here's Kale and Lindsay.
Good morning and welcome to Coffee Convos podcast.
I think it's Jade Roller combos.
I don't know what this is called.
It's like, is it ice rolling?
Oh, is that ice?
I mean, absolutely not.
It's so-
No, it's not ice rolling.
Oh, because that's right, that you have to have that mold.
There's an actual ice one.
Yeah.
Yeah, OK.
So then this is a Jade Roller.
I thought Jade was green.
Jade is green.
So that might be like a quartz roller.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I mean, you know about all the crystals, but good morning.
I'm not having a good morning.
So I had scheduled a nail appointment.
And then I looked at the schedule last night
to see what my day was today.
And then I realized there's a Coffee Convos recording
that wasn't there when I made the appointment.
But then Kristen said that it was.
And for me, I wouldn't have made the appointment at 10
if I knew that we were recording at 11, which I don't know.
So dumb.
So I'm like, OK, we've got to cancel that.
And then I was trying on outfits for this weekend for New York.
And I bought, I think like between seven and 10 outfits,
only two pants out of all the things I bought fit.
So I canceled my seamstress appointment
because I don't need tailoring because nothing fits.
So that got canceled.
And it's just like cold and dreary today.
So nothing major, but just like little inconveniences
that are just like kind of putting a damper on my day.
You know what's so hard is being a mom
and having limited amount of time to like do stuff.
And we are so blessed that we have the ability
to be able to work from home.
But when you have kids and like shit's just going on,
and it's just specifically this time
of the year that I think that everything just gets chaotic
with school about to get out,
it just seems like a mad rush around.
And there is nothing worse than a scheduling conflict.
I feel like that ruins your entire day.
So I sympathize with you.
I had my nails done over the weekend, maybe,
or like last week sometime.
And I just need to let you know that I no longer
have a broken middle finger.
I'm so happy for you.
I'm so happy for you.
If it's any consolation,
like I at least don't have broken middle fingers.
You might, but I don't.
Yeah, but you don't.
Also the amount of people that look at me
like I'm a crazy person wearing a smash hat around,
I think that they might think that I'm trying to smash
and like I'm not.
No, it's from Nashville.
Yeah.
And I'm like, no, this is like Nashville Predators
Nashville Predators.
I'm not trying to smash you.
I'm not trying to smash you.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, so I need to tell you something else.
OK.
I was taking a shower this past week
and I kept hearing the doorbell ring and I'm like,
who is that?
You know, we know who it,
we all know who it possibly could be.
If you were part of the Kitty Gang Telegram,
you know who I thought that it possibly could be.
Yeah.
If you're not, you might not know,
but you can just like assume.
I'm like, why would this person be here like at this time?
And I'm just trying to shower, shit, and shave
and this is like really a hindrance on my day.
So I put on my robe really quick and I go to the door
and it's FedEx.
Oh, OK.
Well, that's a really-
And I'm like, OK, why do psychopaths make you sign
for deliveries these days?
And this is a major thing that like,
I have a big problem with this because I feel like
I'm never home and I always meant I'm home,
but like I'm never home when they're coming
and you don't know when they're coming.
And then you get the little door knocker on the door
and you have to go and like find wherever it's located.
So I'm like, I'm definitely going to like go out there
and see who's ringing my doorbell.
And it's a wine delivery and I'm like, oh, OK, good.
Like, can we petition for FedEx and UPS and whatever
that if we need to sign for something,
for them to give us like a couple minute grace period
where it sends a notification to your phone
and you can electronically sign from your phone
and then they leave it?
Like, I feel like that is the smartest thing ever.
It will come down on fuel cost, storage for them
and their trucks.
The only thing is, is it would just like slightly delay
like the route if you're giving people,
I mean, how many people could be signing for packages per day?
Like probably not a lot.
Like not everybody's ordering like wine
and like weird shit every day.
That was my first thought.
My second thought was as soon as I signed for the package,
the guy's like kind of snickering.
And I'm like, OK, like is my robe undone?
Like what's happening?
And he goes, Lindsay, I just want to know
I love the podcast.
And I was like, the podcast, like first of all,
are we listening like what podcast are we listening to?
Because now I am humiliated if it's coffee combos immediately.
He said, you know, I was looking for podcasts to listen
while I was doing my routes and I came across yours
and you and kill, y'all are just hilarious.
I just want to let you know, I love your content.
And I love foul play.
And I'm like, OK, immediately like no one tell me
that you love foul play because I'm embarrassed
while I'm doing it.
And the fact that I am in a robe with half my titty hanging out
trying to sign for a wine delivery at my front door.
And this FedEx guy, you know, put me on the spot about foul play.
I'm not OK.
And what did you say?
Were you like, thanks, sir, and you close the door?
I said, thank you so much for listening to us.
I love that.
And I hope that he hears this.
And I hope that he knows how great that I think he is.
And I also hope that he signs for my package for me next time.
So I don't have to come to the door.
I think he would lose his job, Lindsay.
I cannot.
I cannot.
Can we talk about the fact that I'm ready for school to be out?
I'm so ready for school to be out.
I'm so fucking ready.
And I also want to tell you, I'm not ready for school to be out.
I want to tell you, Luxe's school, Luxe and Lincoln School,
they installed bulletproof doors.
That freaks me out.
And I just was thinking like how fucking,
I mean, I'm thankful that they're having them in the schools now.
But also, it shouldn't have to be this way.
And it's so scary and so sad.
And one of the administrative staff members,
she was like, I don't know how we would, like,
that section of the school.
I don't even know how we would fit the entire school in that area
because that's where the bulletproof stuff is.
And so that's like the other part of the problem
is like we're installing them, but then we don't necessarily
have a plan.
And then it's just, it's so sad.
And I feel bad for administration and the kids
because they're put in this situation
where they have to get the bulletproof doors
and they have to come up with a plan.
And this is a very real possibility
that something could happen.
I think that it freaks me out to know that stuff like that
is going on and that schools feel like they have to do that
to protect the children and the staff that are in there.
Yeah.
But at the same time, it gives me a level of peace
knowing that someone's being proactive enough
to make the efforts to protect them.
Right, before something happens.
Because I think a lot of times just in life in general,
not necessarily just with gun violence,
but a lot of times we'll put cameras in our house
after we've already been robbed.
Or we'll put, we'll get extra insurance on our cars
after we've been in a really bad accident.
And so then it's like too little, too late kind of thing.
And I mean, not saying that it can't happen again,
but it would have been better to have these things
in the first place to prevent some things happening
in the first place.
Well, you know, Jackson, after the Nashville school shooting,
Jackson's school sent out like new safety precautions
that were, yeah, like that were put,
brought down by the county.
So I guess it was probably just like countywide.
And like parents can't even go into the school now.
Oh.
So like if you need to check your child out,
they have a camera on the outside of the school
and you have to buzz the thing, say your name,
show them your ID, like on the camera.
And then they call for your child.
If you drop anything off, it has to be dropped off on a cart.
It's like sitting outside of the school and you buzz it in
and let them know that you're dropping something off
and they come out and I'm sure check through all of the stuff
and then take it into the school.
It's so fucking sad that it has to be this way.
Because it was not like that when we were in school.
I mean, I remember going through drills and stuff like that.
Like intruder drills, I think is what they were called and...
Like natural disaster drills.
Natural disaster drills.
Yeah, where you went into the hallway
and put like a book over your head.
Yeah.
Do you remember that?
Yeah, I remember.
And I always, I've had anxiety like way back then
come to think of it because I always was like
trying to figure out which book was the best book
and a school drill.
Like why?
Like why?
Why is that me?
But yeah, we would do stuff like that.
And I remember when Jackson started preschool
that I would have major anxiety over him being at that school,
knowing that it was safe
and knowing that the teachers there would protect them.
Jackson was just not a great listener
and I could not help but think.
And I more thought it when he started kindergarten.
I was like, if something ever happened at his school,
like he would be the kid that was running around the class,
like not taking it seriously.
So I told him when he started school,
I was like, no, like if you go through this,
you have to take this very seriously as if this was happening.
Right.
And after the natural thing he asked me,
he was like, mom, like how do we know if it's real?
And that's just so sad to like hear that from our small children
that they are preparing for something bad to happen.
And their levels of anxiety are probably so high.
They, you know, they hear it.
And he said that they say this is just a drill.
So that's how they'll know, you know, if it's like not a drill.
But he said it freaks him out.
Well, I don't blame him.
I'd be freaked out too.
And honestly, just knowing that they'll say it's just a drill.
And then if they don't say it, and it is still a drill,
or if they don't say it and, you know, because it's not a drill,
the kids are going to know right away.
And I think sometimes they don't necessarily want the kids to know
right away because they don't want to freak them out.
And so, because I think a lot of like the things that were taught
in those instances kind of goes out the window when things are real.
It's just all scary.
So I'm ready for school to be over.
I'm ready for my babies to be home.
I'm also, yesterday I was thinking about you because I was like,
I wish my kids could get on a bus to go to school and be dropped off at home.
I know.
Because I'm just like, I'm just tired.
I'm so tired.
The carpool thing is just next level stuff.
I was talking about that situation on the Southern Tea this week.
Like everybody's stupid.
Like literally everybody, all of us that have children were just stupid.
And I have so many children.
So I don't know when this is going to end for me in the next 18 years probably.
Look, this is Jackson getting off the bus.
And he probably loves it.
Watch him.
You see him?
Yeah.
And it drops off.
Look, he's doing the gritty.
I love it.
I love it.
Isn't it so cute?
It's so cute.
But like the bus freaks me out too.
Because I'm like, okay, well, I know that I'm a responsible party driving on the road.
But like what if a bus driver was distracted or what if, I don't know,
like I start thinking about stuff like this and it gives me major, major anxiety.
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I saw this TikTok.
It was from Dr. John Deloni.
I think it's how you say his last name.
And it made me immediately think of you because you know how you were talking about and you've talked about this a lot about having short term memory loss.
Yeah, and I still think I have that.
Okay, so when I saw this TikTok, it was about your body being in a constant state of fight or flight and I'll post it.
But it says it's very common for people who struggle with anxiety to have short term memory.
It's just like I forgot that thing.
I just blew right past it because I've got a body that's just sprinting and fighting and running for its life.
And I just wonder if you have anxiety.
Well, I definitely think since I've treated my depression, I definitely have seen symptoms of anxiety, which I haven't experienced prior to my depression.
Like I've experienced, and I told my therapist this too, like if there's something like I would get anxious about traveling now because of the way that my baby daddies are set up, right?
Or, you know, when I was going through all that court stuff with Brianna, like I was anxious about the outcome.
So I would experience anxiety in appropriate situations.
But now I find myself like tapping my leg or tapping my foot and like doing weird things that I didn't do before.
And so I definitely think with the treatment of the anxiety, you know, ADHD has come up more and so has anxiety.
Well, I have heard that it's a journey, right?
So if you have multiple things that are going on, once you treat one thing or get that like under control, I don't know if treat is the right word.
But like you get that under control and your medication is is proper, you know, however you're you're handling it, then the other symptoms of the other things that are left kind of like untreated and unresolved show up so much more.
Yeah, I believe that, especially with like what I'm going through. And I actually went from for the last year, I was on 10 milligrams of Lexapro and I just upped it to 20 milligrams of Lexapro.
Why do you feel like you needed to up it?
I don't know. I just I got back into like this like funk where like, I don't really want to do anything and I don't really want to go anywhere and I don't want to get ready.
And so I just went I started going through this again. So I'm like, let me, you know, I was going to try to wait it out, but I decided not to.
So I, you know, my doctor prescribed me the 20 milligrams. He did prescribe me something for anxiety, but I just want to hold off on that for a little bit before I decide to like take it medication.
We've talked about this before, honestly freaks me out because I hate and I have always been like this my whole life.
I hate being dependent on anything. And so I do think that that's another like anxious thing that I have that I don't want to be dependent, but I might need it.
Right. I wish that we could take it as needed kind of like certain, you know, like the the anxiety meds that my doctor prescribed me is what Natalie is on as needed for like a panic attack or like, you know, an anxiety situation.
And it's just like quick and it's supposed to relieve the symptoms right away. Like I wish I could do that. But he didn't put me on anything like that. So I don't know.
It sucks to feel like you have to be dependent on something, but you have to get to a point that if you feel like you can't be dependent on yourself to problem solve.
That's why that there are medications there for that.
Agreed. Also, being that school is almost out.
I have to vent to you and probably other moms listening to this or other parents in general.
I am so frustrated by the cost of sports camps and other camps during the summer for activities like to keep the kids busy or whatever.
So there's some basketball camps, some football camps, whatever. And the bat, the football camp that some of Lincoln's teammates are doing is $250 for five days.
And I just feel like that's overkill for especially for single parents, parents who are struggling, parents who have lots of children.
How do you decide which kids get to go? Which kids don't? Do they all sit out? Do they all not sit out?
And, you know, Lux is at an age where he wants to do whatever Lincoln's doing.
So I can't just put Lincoln in one and not put Lux in one.
And then Creed is also getting to the age where he's about to start being able to do some of these things.
You know, he's almost three, so that's usually the age that they get to start doing stuff.
And it sucks because like one of my girlfriends, I mean, she's in a relationship or whatever, she has four kids and she's like, you know, I really wanted to do this camp.
But, you know, they have four kids and they can't, I mean, $250 for five days just seems like absolute overkill.
So I have a couple of questions here. And this is actually, I love that you brought this up because this is the conversation that I've had with one of my girlfriends who has two little girls.
And she's like, the cost of the camps are so expensive that it would almost be better for me to try to like problem solve and keep them at home and maybe get like a sitter a day or something or like my mother-in-law to come a day.
Because it would cost $500 a week to send both of the girls to the camp.
So one, people who have multiple children, what do you do? It's expensive for just one, but for multiples, that's really hard.
And that you have multiples that would want to do a sports camp, but Isaac doesn't.
So here's my question. Do you, as a parent, spend equally on all of your kids or is it need basis?
I can't honestly say that I spend equally on all of them because their interests are so different.
So, you know, Isaac does piano lessons every week and they go, they're $50 a lesson.
So that's one thing. But then Lincoln, you know, he's in basketball and football all year round.
So it's just different. And then Lux is in flag football, baseball and basketball.
So it just depends on what they're interested in.
Now, if Isaac started gaining interest in other things and they started adding up, I'm not going to tell him no, you know what I mean?
Like I would tell him, of course, like I want you to, you know, make friends and do, you know, try new things.
I wouldn't tell him no because, oh, you already do something, you know, because other boys do a lot.
But it gets very pricey. And, you know, I'm lucky that that Joe and Javi work with me on like the prices.
So like on, on Joe's weeks, he pays about to ask you. Yeah, he pays for the piano lessons on his weeks.
And then I pay for them on my weeks. And then same for the basketball and football stuff with Lincoln, you know,
sometimes if Javi finds a camp and it's like last minute, like the one that he's in now,
Javi's like, I'll just get it. And then, you know, if I find something and he wants to do it like the basketball camp.
So I just signed him up for one in June. I paid for it. You know what I mean?
So it's just like, we take turns and it's helpful. But, you know, for Lux and for Creed, I don't have help with any of that.
So I'm paying 100% of their sports right now just Lux, but eventually Creed too.
I'm paying 100% of that on top of what I pay for for my other kids. And I know it's so easy to be like, well,
don't have so many kids, but life is life. That's not how it works.
Well, and the fact is, is that you do have so many kids. So like that's not really problem solving.
And you have to invest in them being well rounded. Like you can't just have kids and not put them in anything because
they need activities. They need to have, you know, things that they do in clubs and all of that.
And so, you know, I could understand taking a season off or taking a year off,
but eventually they have to go back to those things.
Well, it's funny because, you know, it's the time of the year where the sports flyers like start coming home and,
you know, all the different camp flyers come home in the school Friday folder and
Will had gotten some of the stuff and I was just like snooping around his kitchen counter and like
found the flyers that he evidently was not going to give me. A whole nother story, but
$225 for five days for a basketball camp. And I asked Jackson, I was like, do you want to go to this camp?
And Jackson's definitely a child. He wants to be with us all the time and he kind of gets a little anxious when
we drop him off or something, but then he ends up loving it. So we have to kind of like push him
to do it. I don't know if you have any kids that are like that. But once he's there,
he loves the fact that he's there and he wants to do it.
But Jackson saw the price on it and he was like $225. That's so expensive. And I'm like,
thank you for like recognizing, but I also wonder parents who are splitting custody,
co-parenting, are they splitting those costs down the middle? Because it's not,
even though it's in our parenting plan that we split, you know, the cost of all of Jackson's
expenses, Will and I don't split the cost of all of Jackson's expenses. It's whatever he needs over
there, Will takes care of. If I order like a value pack or something, like I will send something that
I know that he could use over there and vice versa, Will will do that. We typically always split the
cost of sports camps just right down the middle. It's nice because Will's parents actually, as of
this morning, wanted to send Jackson to a golf camp. So he would go and stay with them for like
four days and they would take him, you know, to the camp, which is really nice. And they'll pay for
the camp. And so I'm, I'm blessed in that way, but not everybody has the ability to be in a situation
like that. So I can't imagine, you know, the parents that are having to choose like which
child gets to go to what, do neither of them or multiple of them not get to go to anything,
because it's not fair. That would be so hard. And then also want to say, I was never allowed to go
to camps. Oh, you weren't? No, like I wanted to go to sleep away camp, like, because all of my friends,
once we moved to Atlanta, all of my friends, like their parents would send them away to
sleep away camps. And that was just like the thing. My cousin, she, her kids do like science
camp at colleges, like they're, they're young, they're like our kids age. But she'll send them to
like a week long sleep away camp that are at colleges and they have like science club or
like whatever a pathway is. And it's really cool. And I'm always like, can you send me that info
before like next time? So I can send my kids, because I feel like that would be really good for
like Isaac. But how do you feel about them like sleeping away? Because I, I used to be so upset
when I knew that my friends were going to like sleep away camp and everybody was there, or I
felt like everybody was there, that everybody probably wasn't, but like I felt like they were and
I was the only one being left out. And my parents were like, no, you're not sleeping away from home.
Like I wasn't allowed to go to sleepovers, sleep away camp, nothing. I now understand more so
why my parents would have been like hesitant to send me. I'm sure just the fear of like something
happening to me and just being away from home. And I have those same fears and anxieties
for Jackson, like sleep away camps, just not like we're not doing sleep away camp. Somebody
mentioned it to him the other day. And he was like, what's sleep away camp? Like he had no idea.
I mean, it definitely, I definitely understand the anxieties and it is scary. But I don't want
to take away from and my kids haven't done them. I'm not saying that I wouldn't because I think
I would, especially Isaac's age and Lincoln's age, probably not Lux's age. But I don't want to
I don't want to take away from like a really cool experience that they might have at a
you know, science camp at the college or whatever, you know, whatever type of thing like that.
You know what I mean? I mean, it's hard when you have when you have to choose between
protecting your kids or you feel like what you're doing is protecting your kids and then robbing
them of their childhood. And I mean, that was kind of like the bus thing, you know, for Jackson,
like me having a fear of him being on the bus, my fear shouldn't outweigh his ability to be a kid.
Right, right, right, right. I just you know, like I see all this stuff in the news and
that's why I had to get rid of Facebook after I had him because I would see like articles and
stuff pop up. And it made me so fearful that I was like, okay, no, like I have to get rid of
Facebook. I can't even look at this stuff because I would get freaked out. Yeah, it's it's scary.
It's definitely scary. And how do you learn to trust people like that, you know, like
even with day camps, like you're sending your your kids the camp that we signed Jackson up for
a basketball camp, it's from like eight to two. That's a lot of hours to be away. But
anything could happen at any time. Right. And it doesn't matter if it's like someone's gone for
six hours or they're gone for 30 minutes, like anything can happen. You have to, for me, I have
to know that I have raised Jackson in the way that I feel is the right way. And that he knows,
like, if anything happens, he is immediately to call me. That's why he has his phone in his bag.
And I just have to trust that he is going to have enough foresight to pick up the phone and
call me if like something happened. Right, right. Sleep away camp. Knowing there's like that sleep
aspect. I just like don't know if I can get over my own fear. Like I don't want him to go to a sleep
over to someone's house. I feel like that to me is more that to me is like more dangerous than the
sleep away camps just because yeah, because I mean, being at someone's home is just more risky.
I feel like with like a predator, then going to like a sleep away camp, whether it's like all
these children, I just and it's not in the comfort of someone's home. So like an adult would be less
and I'm just making this up like this could be completely wrong. But my thought would be like
someone would be they could still do it, but less likely to do something to my child
while there's all these kids and they're not in the comfort of someone's home.
The fact that we even have to think about this as parents is foul. That's it's so sad.
I don't think that it's more common now than it probably always has been. I think just the
access that we have to things now is so much more than what people did, you know, however long ago.
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Do you ever look at like the sex offenders list? Yeah, I do. I do. I haven't looked at it in a
couple months, but I looked at one near me. A couple months. Yeah, it's been a couple months
since I've looked. Wait, backup. Like, have you always been looking at this list? Yeah, every
couple months I look at it. See, I can't. I can't because if I know, if I know the stuff, it's almost
like I need to live in a perpetual state of delusion. Anxiety. Because if I know it, I won't
be able to like, if I'm, if I pass that house before, I won't be able to like not have anxiety.
Oh yeah. The, I pass sex offenders homes every single day. You do? Yeah. You're kidding. No,
I live within like one or two miles of multiple. What? Yeah. Okay. And then it freaks me out when
you read about like what they've done. Oh, I mean, I won't say the good thing, but the ones that are
near me are ones that like the woman was on the border of turning 18 situation. Okay. Okay. Yeah.
The ones that are further away are the ones that are like true pedophiles and rapists.
Oh yeah. Like I was on a walk with someone the other day and it was like, oh, a sex offender
like lives at that house. So that's what made me think of it. I was like, does everybody just
like know that? Like I, I probably should be more in tune with what's going on, but also I know that
I'm not going to let Jackson out of my sight to like, right near, you know, other people's homes. So
it's not really a concern of me, but then I'm starting to think like, what if you had like a
neighbor and unbeknownst to you, they were like a sex offender. Oh, see that would freak me out if
I didn't know about it, but I do check it. I mean, pretty regularly, I would say at least two to three
times a year, I check it, you know, see who's coming in and out of like the area. I don't live in a
neighborhood. So it's a little different for me, but I do check it. And I mean, it says exactly
what each person has done, which is crazy. What they've done, it says like the year of the offense,
yep, like their address, the whole night. Yep. But then when I did find out about this sex offender,
and then was walking past their house, I couldn't help but feel like I was going to be drugging
to their basement. Oh my gosh. Like this is not, this is why I shouldn't know this stuff. Like
this is, this is why. Okay. In other news, I saw this other TikTok. Do you watch Jay Shetty on
TikTok? Jay Shetty? No, I've never heard of that person. Is that a guy or a girl? A guy. And you
definitely probably have heard of this person. I'll also post this video, but I want to know your
thoughts on this. Here's the quote. It says, someone can say, I love you. And it means they
want to spend the rest of their life with you. Someone else can say, I love you. And it means
they want to spend a night with you. And the definition of love can truly be that large of
a spectrum. When someone says, I love you, you don't stop to say, what do you mean? You just say,
I love you back. And what you forget in that moment is that you signed up to your contract for the
word love, but they signed up to their contract of the word love. It's kind of like, when people
exaggerate their place in your life, that is their perception of that. And how where you place them
in your life is, you know, could be very different. It's kind of like, you know, this is the contract
of you in my life. And this is the contract that you think that you are in my life.
So yeah. Well, especially like, I'm trying, I was pausing about especially because people are
going to call me out and be like, Lindsay, you don't know how to say especially. How do you say it?
Especially. Yeah. No, say it again. Especially. Why am I saying it wrong? Especially. No,
especially. You say it, right? I think I say, especially. I think you say, but yeah, I agree.
I think you say, especially, like you add an egg. Wait, before we continue on this,
I just need to bring this up to someone on the Facebook page was like, Lindsay, not calling
kill out for leaving out vowels and Chattanooga when she says naked instead of naked. I saw that
and I was crying. I was like, that was that, you know what? Honestly, that is facts, but it's
Chattanooga. The thing about love though, I think that that is a question that we should be asking
if, first of all, I think that you should not be quick to say that. I say I love you to like my
friends. I've said it to you. I had this one friend in high school who had a sibling that
was like in a bad car accident. And she told me she was like, you should always say, I love you to
the people that you love because you never know what could happen. For me, in a relationship, I
feel like that's a very hard thing for me to do. Unless I actually do love that person, I don't
think that it's something that you should just say, just to say it. No, I definitely don't think
you should say it just to say it. But do you feel like you have done it and actually not love that
person and said it and knowing that you didn't love that person when you said it? Yes. See, no.
Would I do that now? Would I do that today as a 31 year old woman? No, absolutely not.
But why do we get in the patterns of doing that? I've always been a people pleaser,
so that's number one. Fear of rejection, number two. And also just being selfish and wanting
the attention of that person. So I've strung them along. Okay, all of that makes sense to me.
I just think at 33 years old, being married, I think I've said this before, I very much at one
point was very in love with Will. And I still have love for Will. I'm not in love with Will,
but I still have love for him. And it wouldn't be a weird thing for me. Actually, I do this,
if I take something over to Will's and he and Jackson are in the kitchen, when I go to leave,
when I go to leave, I'll be like, all right, I love y'all. And I think that's important for Jackson
to hear and see. All right, love y'all. Talk to y'all later kind of thing. I think that's sweet.
I think it's good for Jackson to see in here. I personally don't see anything wrong with that,
especially because you do have love for that person. You shared your life with him for over
10 years. For sure. But now after the situation with suburban dad and being in that relationship,
I think that I now have such a different perspective on, I think that in a lot of ways,
even though it wasn't choices that I would have made and lessons that I wouldn't have just put
on my lesson list to learn and the way that I had to learn them, I would never tell someone,
I love you and not wholeheartedly mean it. And I would never tell someone, I love you and maybe
the first one to do it and not have questions after they say it back. Like why did I say it to you
first? And then you responded with, I love you too. I need to know why. When people say, I love you
too. I don't like when people add the two because you're only saying it because I said it. Why can't
it be like, I love you and I love you? Like it doesn't have to be, I love you too. Yeah. Oh,
I think that there was a tick talk about that. I saw it somewhere where it was like that it takes
away the meaning of I love you when you say I love you too. Yeah. I also want to know if you say
love you or I love you because that is different as well. It depends on the person and the
circumstances. When Lincoln texts me, I mean he doesn't have his phone anymore, but when he texts
me, he says, okay, bye, love you every time. We could be mid conversation and he's like, okay,
bye, love you. And that's like Lincoln, he's nine. But when they're leaving to go to their dads,
I'm like, I love you. I love you. Have a great time. I'll see you next week kind of thing.
And then same for my partner. I wouldn't tell Elijah, okay, love you. Yeah. I feel like that's
so... Unless it's a quick phone call and it's like, okay, love you, bye. Why are you so busy
that you need to leave the eye out? You know what I mean? I feel like the I love you is like more
of like a romantic thing. And then the love you is like your girlfriends or like maybe like non-romantic
relationships. I would tell you, I love you. Oh, okay. Yeah. Like I wouldn't just be like love you.
Like what? Like why? Like who loves you? Like why? I don't know. That just doesn't make sense to me.
And I feel like if you can't add the I in front of it, then you probably shouldn't be saying it.
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love Steve Harvey, so I thought this was like a good fit. I came across somebody asking him a
question about his daughters, like, do you have any advice for other girl dads? And he was like,
no, I don't. And he says that he has four daughters and he spoiled the absolute hell out of each and
every one of them. And he talks about how, you know, anything they've wanted, horses, cars, you
know, houses, whatever they've wanted, he's given them because, you know, when they're older, they'll
have such high standards for their lovers that if they're not in the business of literally
spoiling the hell out of them, then they, their, his daughters will want nothing to do with them.
Do you want me to tell you someone else who has that same mentality? Todd Crisley? I believe it.
And I saw this TikTok as well, Steve Harvey, funny that you say that because it was talking about
like being a man in today's society and how men today have this expectation of what does a woman
bring to the table? And why are they focused on what she brings to the table? He was saying she
brings herself to the table, like it is your job and responsibility to take care of what you decide
to sign up for as a man. You take care of her and you take care of your children if you have children
with that person. And that's also how I was raised. And so it's hard when you were raised like that
and when you have a dad who has set that tone and expectation for any man to, to meet that.
I had to learn very quickly that being with someone, I want them to have
the same moral characteristics as what my dad would have in a marriage versus like a financial
because how, how is someone going? I would have to like be with, I don't know, like a heart surgeon.
You know, like that. So to me, it was almost setting us up for failure in some
senses because who's going to be able to do all of those things?
Hmm. Right. It's not like we're Steve Hardley's kids are mingling with people on their similar
playing fields where, you know, people like you and I are probably not mingling with people that
are constantly on our playing, you know, financially speaking. But I also don't like that either.
I don't like eliminating anyone based off of their financial ability to be able to do
whatever. Like if they can come to the table and they're saying this is, this is like my ability
and this is what I can do. And they're honest about that and they want to do
and they want to take care of you and they want to pay for your dinners.
To me, that means more than someone who has all of these things and doesn't want to do.
Oh, agreed. I agree with that. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So I love, I love that. I don't know that
anybody's going to be able to buy them anything that Steve Harvey can.
No, absolutely. I mean, first of all, the horses alone, no, they're like $2,000 a month.
And that's not even including buying the actual horse. So no, and cars and houses,
like what? I'll be damned if someone bought me a house or a car.
God, wouldn't that be so nice? But like also not because at the same time,
I enjoy being able to like have my own things and have a sense of ownership of that and know that
I worked for that. Well, Steve Harvey also said that that's bullshit.
See, I'm going to have to disagree with him there.
But he said in a separate interview, he said that it is bullshit when women say that because,
yes, you can do it, but why would you want to?
Well, because we all, I think, have different drivers, right? So in life, I wouldn't feel
accomplished if I was just living in a house that belonged to someone else and it was their hard work
and I hadn't provided or contributed to any of that. I wouldn't feel like an accomplished person
every day. Right. But that doesn't mean that that's wrong for someone else to do it or feel
okay with it. If other people are okay with it, I'm okay with it. But for me, agreed. I went
through a certain level of trauma. I feel like that drives me to do certain things. And one of
the things that I'm scared of is not having things that are my own and that can be taken from me.
And that is one of my biggest fears is when I was living with Joe back in 2010,
like just knowing that I was driving his car and I was living in his parents house, like those are
all things that could be stripped of me and taken from me. And I also didn't like the feeling of
having to depend on them or ask them for things. Or, you know, I just, I didn't like that feeling
and I never, I never want to go back to that place. And so for me, it's more about that.
Now, if I was in a situation where I could, you know, provide for myself and I had someone else
that was also contributing in similar ways, that's a different story. Of course, I'm going to let them
in time, but I agree with that. And also, I think for both of us, when I left home,
got a condo, you know, had two cars when I was 19 years old. So just like setting the scene.
When I decided to choose my relationship with Will and do things the way that I wanted to,
and that relationship versus, you know, the control of what my parents thought I should be doing,
all of those things were like stripped of me. So I know what it feels like to lose
and to have material things and to be stripped of those things. And so for me, it's a lot about
like control of my own destiny and knowing that no one can take what I have, like because it belongs
to me. Right. Right. Agreed. That's where I'm at too. And that is trauma. It is. It definitely is.
We have to play this TikTok kill because I held, like when I saw this, it's a TikTok about the
birds and the bees. And I held and I just want to know if you have had any conversations like this
in your life with any of your children, because based off of the fact that your cat moves,
I feel like these types of conversations are coming. Okay.
She said, mom, no, it's not. And I was like, okay, then what is it? And she was like, well,
I already know. Do you know? I'm like, yeah, I do know. She's like, well, then tell me. I'm like,
you tell me. I don't fuck. I don't know. What am I nine? If you don't know, then I don't know. I
don't know. I said, I know what it is. I'm an adult. Would you like to tell me what you heard
so that I could either confirm or deny? And she was like, well, I heard this one, a boy and a
girl are together. And they're trying to have a baby. And I was like, well, the male when the
value is falling, then no, I didn't say that. I was like, well, 69 can lead to that. So I'm panicking.
And I could fill an entire swimming pool with a sweat coming off from my upper lip.
And like at the end of the day, she's gonna learn about this shit from somebody else or from me.
Well, I told her a cooking analogy. You know, when you're cooking a meal, and there's like
prep time and cook time, where in prep, you're like chopping the veggies and like cook time is like
get into the main meal, the main deed. And she was like, I don't cook. And I was like, just stay with
me. She's sitting there trying to process the most fucked up analogy I could have given her.
Look what is this top chef camera? I'm like, all the adults are allowed to prep and cook in the
kitchen and you will get there when you're an adult. Okay. But right now you're a kid. Kids don't
make dinner. You don't need to worry about it. She was like, well, daddy doesn't really help make
dinner. He doesn't prep the food. He just comes and eats. So so like, is that the same? Daddy can
help make a baby. And I was like, okay, listen, daddy is great in the kitchen, right? But he does
know how to eat out. I didn't say that. Shut up. I just said, cooking's not for you. Take up another
hobby. Cooking's not for you. Take up another hobby. She should have said daddy bought the
ingredients. Daddy brought the ingredients home for me. Oh my God. I saw that when I was dying
because I was like, this is such a question that my kids would ask. And I know it's sickening that
they really will hear it from other people before they ask us and they'll go off of what other people
say. Yeah. And that's that's what's so scary about the whole thing. I'm like, you know what, do we
just like lay it all out there for our kids and be like, this is a blowy. And this is, I can't even,
I'm gonna get embarrassed, like even talking about this. But I need to know, do you like 69?
No, it's hard to focus. It's hard to like, I don't know, like it's not very hard. Yeah, it's just
like, if you're not very good at multitasking, and you're just like in weird positions to like
make it work. And if I'm having things in my mouth, and you're not hitting the right spot,
how am I going to get you to hit the right spot while I'm having things? It's just, it's a lot.
I feel like it's not for people with ADHD, honestly. Like, I think that that's the conclusion
that I've come to. I am a big advocate for you do me, I do you. Yeah. And then we call it a day.
Let's just take turns and call it. Yeah, I agreed. But do this is another question I have,
we're gonna get very intimate here. Do you like to give someone a blowy to the point that they
get off and then you can't have sex? Say that again. You like to give somebody a blowy, like
you're not just like, sucking them off for a little bit. But she's getting off. And then
you're not having sex. No, that's no, like just like a little like, I'll give you a taste of it.
And then we have sex. Yeah, no, I'll give you a taste of it. And then we have sex. I'm not.
Well, and like, I'm just not good at blowies anyway. So like, my jaw would start hurting by
the time they get off. So it's just not, that's not for me. So I'll just do a little bit and then
have sex. But do you feel like you're not good at blowies because you just like don't like them?
No, I'm just not good. I have a very small mouth. No, you don't. Yes, I do. When I open it wide,
open it wide, it's small. You need to get a hinge on that bitch. I need to unhinge it.
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So we had a couple of advice questions in the Facebook group. And both of these are very,
very good. The first one's about relationship advice. Not that you and I should be giving it
because we just shouldn't, but we're going to anyway. It says, what would you do or how would
you move forward from finding inappropriate messages in your husband's phone to an ex wishing
that they could be with him again, going into explicit detail about how they liked intimate
acts performed with the other person. I've been married for over a year now. We share a daughter
and he's raised my son from a previous relationship as his. I found all this information the night
before my daughter's birthday and I'm having an extreme hard time. The anger, sadness and hurt is
overwhelming. What is something that I heard someone say or I read it on Facebook somewhere,
they said, if you can cross your lover, like your partner who is your rock and your person and
you know, your spouse, if you can cross them, you can cross anybody. I'm just at a point in my
life where there's no room for that. And if you already have a child together, there's definitely
no room for that. I don't know that I would be able to move on. So there's a couple things here
for me. Not that it would be appropriate in any situation and there would be no justification
for why this would be appropriate, right? I would have a really, really hard time knowing that it
was an ex versus some like, yes, yes, agreed. It's like, because there's history there. Yes. And
there's probably lingering feelings or this person might, you know, come back into your mind frequently
or often or over the course of the next 10 years of our relationship. And for me, I feel like if
you've gotten to a point in a current relationship that you are married or like in a serious relationship,
the level of disrespect to the other person that you have so little boundaries that you feel that
it is okay for you to have those types of communications with your ex and talk explicitly
like that. That to me is like a big issue. I agree. Like if you're no longer in a relationship with
that person, there should be boundaries around that communication that like that's not going on.
But also like, why are we normalizing marrying someone that you're not completely in love with?
Because it sounds like if he misses his ex, this is the one that got away. This reminds me of the
conversation we had about men marrying people when they're ready to settle down versus who they're
actually in love with. If he was into his marriage the way that he should be, the ex would be a
non-issue. Right. Right. So also bothers me that she brings another child into the relationship
from a previous relationship. He's being allowed to raise this child as his own. And he has not
taken that seriously to the point that it would be okay to talk about intimate acts and messages
to an ex. Because I think that when you bring children in from other situations or other
relationships, other marriages, that I think that you have a next level of responsibility.
Right. Yeah. I would agree with that. And so I would just say I'm leaving that situation
unfortunately. That sucks because I feel like she said that they were just married
like last year. I mean, it sucks. But it's been a day like why continue wasting time? Because if he's
if he's going to do this within the first year, imagine what else is he capable of?
You know, like this is very, it's very telling to me. The next one is advice about marriage.
And I want to know your thoughts on this from your lived experience. Has anyone ever fought for
their marriage alone? I need advice on how to do this. I love my husband. Unfortunately,
we have hit the roommate stage after having a baby last year. My sex drive was almost non-existent.
And he said that really hurt him and made him feel disconnected. We never do date nights because I
don't like to leave my kids. I don't want to divorce. So I'm willing to do anything to save my
marriage. We have been together for over a decade, and he is willing to try counseling.
So my first thing is you're willing to do anything, then you do need to get a sitter for your kids.
Not wanting to leave your kids. I feel like when your marriage is in a state of this,
I can't justify not getting a babysitter once or twice a month to do date nights like that.
That to me doesn't make sense. I understand you love your kids. You don't want to leave them with
the just anybody, but there are background checks. You can make sure they're CPR certified. You can
make sure that there's just so many ways for you to make this happen and even have them come watch
your kids while you're home to get to know them for a while. There are options here. And if you're
willing to do anything, that has to be one of them. And I fought for my marriage by myself for a
little while because I just felt like if things didn't change, that I was going to be done. And
I think that that's the thing with women is that we stay in until we're done. And I was going to
therapy sessions, like couples therapy sessions by myself. When I realized like, this is it,
like he's not even showing up. So it's time for me to do what I said I was going to do.
And, you know, I just can't get behind it. I don't understand the whole not because it's not
like she's saying, I'm not getting a babysitter because I don't want to leave the kids because
I don't have the funds to do it. She's saying she doesn't like to leave her kids. Well, you're
marriage is at stake here. I don't say that to be mean. I'm saying that just to be like,
you know, I just don't want to beat around the bush. Well, just to be real about it. I mean,
yeah, I relate to this a lot because I never wanted to leave Jackson like ever. He had never
sat with a sitter, never called Will's parents to like, come and help us for us to be able to go
on date night or a trip or anything like that. I would always try to like plan these trips that
we were going to go on. And then last minute, I would be like, Oh, but we're actually going to
bring Jackson because he would love to do it too. And they have like kid friendly stuff. And if I had
my time to do over again, not that I would want to be back in my marriage. But if I had my time
to do over again, I would have done and made a lot of different decisions than what I made.
And I think that when you don't invest in your marriage or your relationship,
this is what happens. You have to invest dedicated time just for you and your partner. And if you
don't, you, you will always find yourself, I would go out on a limb and say you'll always find
yourself in a similar situation like this. And I do think that after having a baby,
I think a lot of women kind of go through this where they, you know, don't feel great with their
bodies or, you know, there's some types of insecurities or they're just tired. And so the
sex drive is really low. And I do think that men feel that level of disconnect. I know for Will,
after I had Jackson, it was everything all about Jackson. But before that, it was everything all
about him. And I wish that if I went back, I would have been more, I would have distributed
my love a little bit more evenly. Right. I mean, it wasn't like my sex drive was low,
because it definitely wasn't. Don't want it to sound like that. I mean, I wanted to. But
the disconnect does happen in situations like that. And I, I hate that. I agree with you that
definitely get a sitter. If that's, I didn't take that advice. But if I was giving it now,
going through a lived experience, I would tell someone get a sitter, do the date nights,
throwing away a marriage that you've been together over a decade and you love your husband. And
he's willing to try whatever and you're willing to try whatever. Just do it. I agree. Foul play.
Foul play, everybody. Hey ladies, I wanted to share a foul play that I find absolutely hilarious,
and I hope you guys feel the same. I would like to remain anonymous. When I, when I hit 21, I
immediately went into an experimental phase with my sexuality. One day while scrolling on a dating
app, I found a couple who was looking to have a girl sleep with the wife while the husband watched,
as it was his biggest fantasy. I thought this was a golden opportunity to sleep with a girl for
the first time with no strings attached. So I proceeded to swipe right. A couple of days went
by and I finally met up with a couple at their house. One thing led to another and I ended up
on the bed with his wife. This was my first time ever sleeping with a girl. I had no idea what to
expect, but I can say one thing. It was overall very pleasant. While I was eating her out, I
noticed my legs were very wet. I didn't think anything of it until I looked down and noticed
both of my legs were covered in blood. I was so embarrassed. So I didn't want to say anything,
assuming that I started my period. I took a look and quickly realized that it wasn't a period.
In fact, the girl cut me with her fingernail and I was gushing out blood. We took a pause,
looked at each other, realized what was happening and immediately took action to try to stop the
bleeding. Somehow or another, while the girl was cleaning up my bloody cut on the cat, the husband
decided it was time for him to step in, leading into a very awkward threesome. Overall, it was
very awkward encounter, but one takeaway that I learned was that the husband just wanted a threesome
and the wife was not happy. All in all, I have learned that I will never dabble into other
people's relationships, but I thought that was great. That was great to share. I love you all
and I hope to hear this on your podcast. Well, that makes sense. So the husband was like, oh,
this is my biggest fantasy, but really he wanted a threesome. Yeah, like she was bamboozled into
this thinking that she was going to experiment with a woman and then she got involved in someone's
marriage. You've talked about threesome before or something that I would like, and I will go out on
a limb here and say, and I've said really within like the past year and a half, I'll never say
never anymore because I've made an ass out of myself, but I can confidently tell you that I would
never be involved in a threesome. And here's why, because one, I don't want anybody getting involved
in my relationship. If I was the person in the relationship and then like some third parties
coming in, I feel like that just like opening a door that you possibly might not be able to shut
once, once it's open. Number two, I am, I have jealous tendencies and not that I have a reason
or would feel like I had a reason to be jealous. Just the thoughts of someone else being with my
man is like not a thing. I'm going to off that person. I mean, I understand that people talk
about that all the time, I feel like, so that makes sense to me. But through your experience,
were you the person in the relationship and you brought someone in? No, she brought herself in.
Back up. Tell me more. She was like, let's go have a threesome with him. And I was like,
okay, but there's rules to this. Like I've never had one. So there must have been some kind of
sexual tension, at least if not between both of them, she felt some type of sexual connection
to him or some sexual tension. And so she was like, let's just have a couple drinks and then
we'll go in there. And I was like, okay, but like, don't like, don't do stuff and then they did
stuff or and or like y'all all did stuff together, like tell me more stuff together. So like, you
did stuff to her. He did stuff to her. She did stuff to you. She did stuff to him. He did stuff to
you. Yes. No, ma'am. No, ma'am. I would do it again, I feel like in difference with different
circumstances. But like, also, I don't know. Now, I mean, I've said that I would do it again,
but like if it came down to it, I don't know if I would. I just the but here's the other thing.
I'm not going to be intimate with someone that I would like feel like I wanted to be intimate
with someone else. Does that make sense? Right. So that just would not be a sign up that I'm putting
my name under. I would love to know how many people listen to this have threesomes or have had
threesomes. Also, what type of dating app is this that it just has all of this information out there
like, Oh, we're just looking for a fantasy. Well, okay, here's my question to just because I've only
had one when someone if anyone's listening to this podcast and you guys are in like have an open
relationship or some type of relationship where you guys are are seeking out the third party.
If I was to go to seek out one of these like situations and I'm like, okay, I've only done
this one other time. Are you guys having like giving this person grace because they're new
to this whole thing? Or are you guys like, wow, that sucks. Like we're not doing the three time
rule because I feel like that would really fuck with my confidence if I just sucked the first
time and I just needed a little coaching and guidance. And then they were like, no, we hate you.
We never want you to come back. No, like I'm not even getting that far. My question to everyone
would be this is like a non-judgmental question. It's just like truly a question. If you're in a
relationship and you want to stay with that person, why do you feel like you need to bring
someone else into it? Is monogamy like not your thing? And monogamy is not natural to begin with.
It might not be natural, but it's what I want. Okay, okay, that's fair. So it's my desire is
to want one person and one person only. And my desire is for them to only want me. That makes
sense to me. And it's like if you're out at a bar and you think some girl's hot, I'm not saying you
can't think like some person's hot, but like you need to have enough self-control and impulse control
that you're like you only want to be with me. So threesomes are just not for you.
On that note, I have late Pilates today and have not been feeling well. You know about my
not feeling well over the past couple of days, I was cracking up laughing whenever I was texting you
and I was like, I think I have like stomach bug or something, but I'm drinking vodka and you were
like, what? I was like, that's going to dehydrate you even more. It's gluten free, like calm, calm down.
But I need to go to like the grocery store and you know, like do the errands and you do a good
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