Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Rabbit Holes & Never Going Back

Episode Date: June 1, 2023

CC288: Lindsie and Kail are barely holding on as the school year wraps up, and Kails describes a disturbing interaction she witnessed this morning on the way to school. Tiktok sucks Kail into a realit...y TV rabbit hole of Kim and Kroy, former cast members of RHOA; Lindsie shares what she has heard through the grapevine on the subject. A listener asks if anyone ever dated someone who was perfect but somehow feel like there was no deep connection - Kail relates. Another listener asks how someone can leave the house when they have so much stuff to do at home - and Lindsie DEFINITELY relates. Lastly, advice for someone who is divorcing an abusive husband, what to expect and how to prepare. For Foul play, we are reminded that peeing in a cup is never sanitary. Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more!  Thank you to our sponsors!IQBar: Get 20% off every IQBar product plus free shipping when you text CONVOS to 64-000Kiwico: Get 50% off your first month on ANY crate line at kiwico.com/COFFEENutrafol: Go to Nutrafol.com and use code COFFEECONVOS for $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shippingQuince: Discover the affordable luxury you deserve, go to Quince.com/coffee to get free shipping and 365-day returns on your next order

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convose with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Crisley. I really want you to be in your fuel scale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.
Starting point is 00:00:18 I'm just not with a bakery anymore. There's a bakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsay. Good morning, Lindsay. I thought you were gonna sing for a second. I was getting so excited. Good morning. My Nashville, one of my Nashville shirts, so that I'm I'm basically with you in spirit, you know. I am wearing a crop top, a pair of leggings, a matching bra, which is like super cute. Look at this thing. That's so cute.
Starting point is 00:00:48 The boobs are boobin. The boobs be boobin, honey. Um, got to tell you something though. Okay. And I think it's called like phantom pregnancy. I might have made this up. I might have coined this on my own. But I just puked my guts out before we got on here
Starting point is 00:01:07 and my nipples feel like they're gonna fall off. So why are you so quiet? Ma'am, what makes you think it's phantom? What is phantom about that? I don't know. You know, it's like when you're starting to expect your cycle and your boobs like regularly hurt when you get a period. Mine don't. I wonder how many women do and then don't. And do we all get freaked out when they like extremely hurt but then get our period and we're like, oh, it's just going to be a bad one. Or do you get freaked out when they don't hurt that month
Starting point is 00:01:39 and you know you're about to get your period? I've never gotten boob pain in my life, except for when I was finding out that I was pregnant with Lux, literally had Chris unhook my bra in the middle of New York City, because I took him to New York for the first time and we were walking my boobs hurt.
Starting point is 00:01:59 That is the only time my boobs ever hurt in my entire life, so very curious to know. And I think you should take a pregnancy test. We're starting rumors. I feel like this has gone from this podcast to the Southern tea. Because we're spilling tea over here today. We are. We're spilling tea. I will say though, I ate chicken before we started recording and I'm wondering if the chicken's what made me sick. I have like this mystery like illness going on. Like I don't know what it is.
Starting point is 00:02:30 You're glowing though. Like as soon as you popped on here, I'm like while Lindsay's glowing, I look like a rag doll. I don't know what's happening. So I listen, I'm not saying you're pregnant, but... I could kind of do a baby bump though. I wouldn't be mad if you were I
Starting point is 00:02:49 Went to Jackson school Awards day today. Yeah, and I just think it's so funny to like see your kids get awards and What you think they'll get an award for and what they actually got an award for and what you think they'll get an award for and what they actually got an award for. What did he get? Okay, well, he got an award for Stylen and Cheese and Award. He's always smiling and always styling. And he was not happy about this award at all. He was like, I really want a class athlete.
Starting point is 00:03:26 Like that was really what I was going for. Like that was the one that I wanted. And he was like, I can play five sports. So why is the person that won, only play one sport? And I don't even consider it a sport. And I'm like, well, just because you don't consider it a sport doesn't mean that it's not. Well, what sport was it?
Starting point is 00:03:45 Soccer. OK, that's very much a sport, but also he has a point. Like, why is the one that is not, like, when I think of class athlete or student athlete, I'm thinking of the one that is in multiple sports. That's, I mean, he's very correct. Jackson's like, I can play tennis. I can play golf. I can play golf.
Starting point is 00:04:05 I can play basketball. I've played baseball before. I've also played soccer, but I didn't like it, but I can still do it. And I didn't win class athlete. And I said, buddy, I love the award that you won. Like, I love it. Todd, I know that also.
Starting point is 00:04:22 Todd Chrisley would absolutely love it. He would be like, great also. Todd Chrisley would absolutely love it. He would be like great representation of the Chrisley family. And the funny thing is when the tea, like they were all sitting on the class mat in the front and when the teacher was like, you can go to your parents and stuff, Jackson walks over with his award and he's like, I really just wanted class athlete. And I'm like with his award and he's like, I really just wanted class athlete. And I'm like, calm down, like we're not doing that at the awards, you know, like you got an award,
Starting point is 00:04:50 you should be happy about it. And you also got like a reading award and a math award. So obviously like to be styling, cheese in, to be able to read and have a math award, like, sweetie, you're doing good because I didn't get any of those awards. I didn't get any, you know, and in fourth grade, I wanted my perfect attendance awards so bad,
Starting point is 00:05:10 but I had one tardy on my thing and they didn't give me top student for it. So, you know, it's just, I didn't get those types of awards. He should be so fucking pumped that he got three awards. Do you know that only one kid in that class got an attendance award? One. And it made me so happy. Why? Number one, because we've talked about before that I think it should be normalized that we can take mental health days. Our children can take
Starting point is 00:05:39 mental health days and that we should have be burning ourselves out. And if you're going to school and you're in a complete burnout moment, just so that you can get a perfect attendance award, because I do feel like that was very common for kids that grew up in the 90s. I don't know if it was before, but for us, it was like, you have to go to school because if you don't, then you will not be eligible for the perfect attendance award. And it's like I'm glad that you care about that so much because quite honestly, that has nothing to do with anything in life.
Starting point is 00:06:14 Well, I mean, at this point, because I used to be one of those people who wouldn't let my kids take mental health days, I just didn't see it that way. But this past year, I've been way more flexible about it because I mean, for one, I have my own feelings about like the public education system and kind of putting everybody in a box and expecting every single kid to do the same exact thing. And you know, teachers get personal days. I mean, not as many as they should, they should
Starting point is 00:06:43 get far more. So the kids should get them too, you know, and the year is winding down. We still have a think like three weeks of school left and my kids are just wild. Like, Lux is asking to go in the pool after school and I'm like, no, we still have to do homework. We still have to do baseball. We still have all the shit to do that we can't do like fun things after school. But it definitely feels like the end of the year. That's why I like our schedule better than states, like northern states, because we do start so much earlier, and I guess you all don't start until what
Starting point is 00:07:17 after Labor Day? We used to start like two years ago, we were still starting in August, the end of August. But this year, we started after Labor Day, which was weird, because that hasn't been always that way. Yeah, so we start, literally, I think July 31st or something, was like the first day, or August 1st. And it's so nice, because the pool, like, just opened two weeks ago, and we've had a couple of, like, little pool afternoons. and it's nice that if he was in school for like the whole month of almost June, I don't know what I would do. But anyway, Jackson walks up and he's like,
Starting point is 00:07:55 Dad, I just want to let you know that you're not the reason that I won this award. He then lifts up his sweatshirt and he goes, do you see this shirt that you made me wear to school today? Not the reason. And my God. He's like, moms the reason that I won the style and award because of the Jordans.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Period. Go off, Jackson, because I was like, yes, sir. Yes, sir. We're looking are the same with their freaking shoes. Same. I think it's so funny. Speaking of school. Yes, looking are the same with their freaking shoes. The same. I think it's so funny. Speaking of school, so I'm driving to, first of all, let me start by saying that Lux and Creed
Starting point is 00:08:34 have both been sleeping in my bed. Creed is just a co-sleeper. I'm tired of getting up in the middle of the night to go put him back in his bed when he's just a co-sleeper, right? So that's how we solved that. Well, night to go put him back in his bed when he's just a coastleaver, right? So that's how we solved that. Well, now that Creed has been sleeping in my bed and I've been putting him to bed in my bed, now Lux is back in my bed.
Starting point is 00:08:52 It's fine. It's fine. You know, I should take turns switching back and forth to the couch, either I'll be on the couch or he'll be on the couch. It's fine. We don't care. So, I wake him up this morning. Lux. I'm taking him to school and we are behind every fucking bus
Starting point is 00:09:09 There is known to me on the way to Smurna school So I'm actually really sad because I see this bus that I've never seen before stop because either we either are before it or after whatever I miss it for whatever reason see these these cute little kids get on the bus and all of a sudden I see this little girl come from like I'm going this way, the bus is coming this way and I see this little girl and her mom following behind her. And you know how they have that like stick
Starting point is 00:09:37 that comes out and the stop sign that comes out? Yeah. So directly in front of that, the mom pushes the daughter. Just shoves her like straight on this is main street and heartly Delaware Straight just shoves her daughter and has this look of like you are the pain of my existence to her daughter And it was the weirdest fucking thing so then I'm like that can't be right Like I couldn't have just seen what I just saw. And like, nobody said anything, nobody did anything. Like, why is this being normalized?
Starting point is 00:10:07 Like, yeah. And so she's carrying, the mom is carrying the daughter's backpack. So I'm like, okay, this is just, I don't know, maybe the daughter is on the spectrum and she has to help her, I don't know. So then the mom gets on the bus with the backpack and the daughter. Mm-hmm. And we're just waiting.
Starting point is 00:10:24 Then the mom gets off the bus. So she takes the bus, she takes the backpack and the daughter. And we're just waiting. Then the mom gets off the bus. So she takes the bus, she takes the backpack on the bus for the daughter. And when I tell you that she gets off the bus, and it's just like, okay, maybe she had a bad morning. I get it, but you just shoved your daughter in public in front of a bus. And I just don't, and like so upset by it,
Starting point is 00:10:43 because I've never seen anything like it. That's so alarming to me when you see people get aggressive with their children publicly. It's like the fact that you're doing this publicly, terrifies me to know what you're doing privately. Right, exactly. And that's why I think I'm sick about it, because I'm like, and the fact that nobody,
Starting point is 00:11:02 I mean, maybe the bus driver saw it and we'll report it. I don't know. But Lux was in my car. I'm glad he didn't see it. You know what I mean? Because he was sitting behind me. I'm so glad he didn't see it. Because if he would have asked me questions,
Starting point is 00:11:12 I wouldn't have known what to say. Yeah, no. That is just crazy. And I also will say, as a parent, sometimes the mornings can be so stressful when you have stuff to do and stuff is chaotic and you're just trying to get your child from point A to point B and they might be having a rough morning. Mornings are something that I don't really feed into
Starting point is 00:11:39 any type of negative energy. Like if Jackson's doing something that he shouldn't be doing, I'm like, listen, it's morning for both of us. Like it's morning for you and it's morning for me. Like you have a job that you have to do and I have a job that I have to do. And if you can't do your job, it affects my job. And if I can't do my job, it affects the ability for you to be able to get to where you need to go.
Starting point is 00:11:58 I always, when I'm pulling through Carpool in the morning to drop off lane. I always am like overly sensitive of him getting out of the car and I'm like buddy have a good day. I love you so much. I hope everything goes well. Be a good student, be a kind friend. And the next statement that I'm about to make literally And the next statement that I'm about to make literally Terrifies me and gives me such anxiety that when you drop your children off at school What if that was your daughter's last memory of you? That's absolutely heartbreaking and terrifying to think about but it is something that you have to think about and like we both said Like we all have bad days. I get it and warnings could be chaotic. I have a shitload of fucking kids.
Starting point is 00:12:45 I really don't, I would say for me, nighttime is harder than warning time, but it's still chaotic nonetheless. And I cannot imagine that being the last memory that I have of my daughter or the last memory my daughter has of me. It just made me sick. I hope, I hope hope the situation gets resolved.
Starting point is 00:13:09 I hope the daughter is okay. I hope the bus driver saw it and reported if she needs to. I wouldn't even know how to report it because it's, and I don't know them and I've never seen them before, but I just had to talk about it because. And the last thing I want to say on this is if that child did need additional assistance,
Starting point is 00:13:27 that further pisses me off. Right, right. Like if she was special needs and that's even more alarming. And if it's just one of those things that's so sad too because if she did need special assistance, I know that there is like extra care for like I've heard, I've heard and I'm sure it's not available for everyone because it's the US but like caretakers will come help with people that need extra care kind of like they do at school or if they have like a like a para on the bus yet for help or whatever and so I don't, like maybe if she's that frustrated
Starting point is 00:14:06 or having a hard time with her daughter, I don't know what the resources are that are available to her, but like maybe that would be an option for help so that she doesn't get so frustrated. Well, as in parenthood is so hard, and the older I get, the more patient I become, I feel like a lot of it could have to do with Jackson being older and, you know, more self-sufficient, but also the older I get, the more of an emotional being. I feel
Starting point is 00:14:32 like I am than I was before. And so I'm very sensitive when it comes to him. Speaking of buses, though, Will told me yesterday, he was like, I was waiting outside, you know, for Jackson to hop off the bus and I see the bus like go cruising by the house and it gets like two houses past. The normal stop and like the bus isn't stopping so he's like shit like Jackson didn't get on the bus like where is our kid. So all of a sudden the bus just like comes to a halt and he said every day that Jackson gets off the bus he gritties across the road and He was like what happened and he was like, I don't know I guess my bus driver forgot that I was on the bus and I stood up and said hey, I'm on the bus And I'm like thank God like that he was paying attention. Hey, I'm on the bus.
Starting point is 00:15:25 Can you imagine, like, will this is why our kids, children who already have cell phones, I'm like, that's why they need them in the bag, because if that bus would have kept going, Will would have thought that Jackson was still at the school, and he would have gotten in his truck and left. And then the bus driver would have come back. It will would have been nowhere to be found because he would have been looking for Jackson
Starting point is 00:15:46 at the school and Jackson would be home. Oh my God, I would have freaked the fuck out. That's like the time that Lincoln, they sent the fucking kindergartener Lincoln to the front to the front of the school. Lincoln went out the back door and was standing outside the school, waiting for me to pick him up when he should have went
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Starting point is 00:18:27 Okay, I have to tell you that I went down a fucking rabbit hole. Okay. So when I'm depressed, as you know, I'm on my phone less, right? But last night, Christmas was like, I need you to get on your stories. I'm like, all right, give me a minute. Damn, no, I'm just kidding. I was like, anything for you. So I did that.
Starting point is 00:18:46 And then I get on TikTok while I'm on my phone. And I never really followed the Kim and Kroy thing. I've never been like a what show are they from? Real Housewives of Atlanta. I've never followed it. She had her own show, Don't Be Tarty on Bravo. OK, yeah. So I knew I, I a part of those shows, Don't Be Tarty on Bravo. Okay, yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:05 So I knew I, I've heard of those shows, but I've never watched them, right? So I've never, I knew who they were. I know who Briel Beermann is. Never followed their shit. So all they were getting divorced didn't give a fuck, but then I get to this TikTok and they're talking about Croy, I guess, motioned for Kim to have an evaluation or whatever, right, a mental evaluation. And they go into and then didn't say anything more about the mental health evaluation. So I was like, okay, that's weird.
Starting point is 00:19:33 And she immediately dives into the finances. I'm down this rabbit hole of this couple that I've never followed in my life. And I can't stop. It's like a fucking train wreck that I'm just in, and now I fully understand why people were invested in my divorce and everything that I've done in my life because you get down these fucking rabbit holes that you can't get out of and I'm just so fascinated.
Starting point is 00:19:58 Well, tell me what you found out. Okay, so Kim has a severe spending problem and has like devastated the family financially She owes this wine company like a $11,000 and this is like there's bank statements on the TikTok And there's like highlighted whoever did this. I don't know I have the TikTok, but I don't know who did the deep dive $11,000 is owned to this wine company. And they messaged her saying, hey, like we've tried six times to, you know, charge your account, it's being declined.
Starting point is 00:20:32 She's trying to send people money on Venmo, it's getting declined. She owes this wine company so much fucking money. She is spending, it said 130,000 in and out for a month. Wait what? $130,000 in and out in one month. Holy shit. And then she posted like the wine thing, she's supposed to advertise for them and I guess
Starting point is 00:21:00 they're doing like a courtesy because you've been such like a valuable customer, you know, we're gonna still send you whatever you ordered. And then she goes to like a screenshot of Briel posting said wine company on her Instagram. I think probably to make up for them not paying for it. But I'm just like, oh, and I guess she has a gambling problem allegedly. I don't know, like I said, I have no idea. A gambling problem. There was some other stuff, but I was, oh, and I guess she has a gambling problem allegedly. I don't know, like I said, I have no idea. A gambling problem. There was some other stuff, but I was just like,
Starting point is 00:21:29 well, there was two things that I saw allegedly, he's been having an affair, or like cheating on her with various people. But then I also saw something that kind of gave an opposite side that she was cheating on him with someone significantly older than him. And the person that she was allegedly cheating on him with also has tons of money. She's not getting any because she's not paying her bills. Well, so we were this all started. I kind of started following this with the foreclosure stuff that was going on.
Starting point is 00:22:09 Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. I'm Atlanta native. So I hear a lot of stuff. And it's pretty well known that she's like a heavy spender around Atlanta. Like that's just a known thing. And I think that she left real housewives or they didn't ask her back and
Starting point is 00:22:29 then she had her own show Don't Be Tarty and it had like all of her kids on it and her and Kroy. And then I don't think that that show got renewed. So it was like one season? No, it was a couple seasons and then it got canceled. Okay. And then I think they tried to start a podcast, but I don't know like where that went. And then the next thing I hear is this whole foreclosure stuff and how if Basically, they don't make these payments that the house is gonna be sold on the court has house steps for like X amount of dollars. And there was all this social media hoopla that she was going on her story, saying that her house wasn't being foreclosed on and that she's obviously still there and she's
Starting point is 00:23:18 like videoing in the house and that she wasn't moving and she wasn't leaving until she decided to leave. So I don't know what happened with the house, but at that point I was like, okay, obviously there's like financial stuff going on because if you were on real housewives of Atlanta, probably made a hefty paycheck, had your own show, probably made a hefty paycheck. You guys also had other projects. He was a professional athlete, played for the Falcons. So I'm like, there was enough money to pay for that home
Starting point is 00:23:55 that they lived in. Unless they were spending it where they shouldn't have. I know she was, she has some like Bitcoin situation that she's still investing into and in the TikTok it was like if you owe $11,000 to a wine company, why are you investing in this like Bitcoin thing? And my thought was like maybe she's doing that in hopes that she'll get like a big payday with that so that she can catch up on her bills. Like maybe that's how she's operating. That's where my mind instantly went, but I don't know. I mean, I know all of the TikTok world are doing deep dives on their situation.
Starting point is 00:24:31 All I'm going to say is that I believe that if I had to guess, financials definitely are one of the biggest parts of the issue. And my parents always told me growing up that finances are the leading cause of divorce. I guess it would be really hard to imagine, you know, and I don't want to specify anybody's names, but you guys will know who I'm talking about. People who go from TV shows and no other real income outside of like TV show income and then maybe like brand deals going from that to absolutely no income
Starting point is 00:25:14 because if you at some point you're gonna lose your following to some degree they're gonna lose some type of interest if you're not on anything if you don't have a podcast. Are you talking about somebody who is scuba divers certified? Yes. Is she just making scuba divers service certified? I'm just making sure that like we're on the same page. Yes. Okay. Okay. That's it. So part of that. I would imagine it could be very difficult part of it. I would imagine it could be very difficult to take that kind of pay cut, you know, like I took a pay cut when I left Teen Mom, but then, you know, I work really hard on my podcasts and my brand deals. I want them to be good. I want them to be, you know, just I don't even... I think here's the problem though. I think that we could do a whole series on reality TV. I think that reality TV and
Starting point is 00:26:10 synivizes such poor behavior that that becomes your norm and also on a lot of shows that you have built an image that you have to maintain. You have to maintain. Yeah. There's no room for you not to maintain it. So then I think that that's where a lot of people get in trouble and a lot of people get on reality TV and don't have a plan outside of reality TV.
Starting point is 00:26:40 It's not gonna last forever. No, and you have to go into it with that mentality and that's what I've always said. It's like the books, the podcasts, my degree, like all of these things. Yeah, I would have to explain to corporate America or whatever where the gap was in my resume, but I also would be able to answer to that.
Starting point is 00:26:58 You know what I mean? So I would, I can imagine how difficult that is to maintain an image when you're not getting the same type of payments. You're not getting the same type of paychecks. I don't know if she's getting brand deals or not on her Instagram. I have no idea. But if she is, it's not going to be the same amount that she was getting when she was actively on reality TV. That's just not realistic.
Starting point is 00:27:21 I mean, my heart goes out to anybody who is in any type of struggle. Yeah, regardless whether you know they contributed to that or whatever. And you know divorce always has multiple sides of the story. There are children that are involved and I always hate to see this and I hated to see it when you went through your divorce with hobby. That there were children that were brought into that marriage from a previous from previous relationships. And so, you know, you've got to think about those kids' mental stability and what they knew that seemed so stable is now so gone. Right. Right. Absolutely. You're right. And it just sucks. It does suck. And
Starting point is 00:28:06 it's just one of those things. You wish that it was kind of like the NFL where they explained to the family members, you're about to make a lot of money. This is the right way to do it. This is the wrong way to do it. Just to say, I mean, I don't know if it's to cover their asses, but I never got that from any type of reality TV producers or anything like that to show, to tell you, you know, you're going to get these lump sums or you're going to get these payments, you know, think about what to do with them, think about an investor, think about a financial advisor, like, I didn't get that until I was 25. So, such poor behavior and financial decision making is so incentivized on reality TV that it should be required by
Starting point is 00:28:46 production companies or networks or anyone who is signing up to do reality television and they're making these you know larger paychecks probably larger than they've ever seen before that they have to go through some type of financial class. Now whether they choose to apply it or not, that's literally can be said you know that it was offered. Right. Because then you also have to take into consideration, you know, taxes, that whole thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:12 Because people, I mean, I can't tell you how many years I was playing ketchup for so long on the tax front because I didn't know that I would owe taxes. And then I didn't know my kids would owe taxes. And so that's a whole other situation that's separate from these big lump sums. You know what I mean? I paid a third of my income in taxes, and only now, you know,
Starting point is 00:29:31 well within the last five years, has Kristen really helped me put 30% of my paycheck in a different account, you know? And so it's a lot. So I definitely, I empathize, I sympathize, I see anyone that's struggling with this, you know, it sucks, but yeah, I was just down this rabbit hole of Kim and Kroy
Starting point is 00:29:50 and I'm so interested to see how this plays out. I might be the only person, I'm gonna go out on a limb here. I might be the only person that's ever been in reality TV that required the production company to take my taxes out before I ever got paid. I tried and they denied it. I told them I wouldn't work. I told them to take my taxes out. Probably it was a couple seasons in and I was like I can't do this. I was 8, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 years old, and I didn't want to be responsible to take out these,
Starting point is 00:30:27 you know, large percentages of my income, and I just didn't, I didn't know what I was doing, and they were like, absolutely not, we cannot be responsible for your taxes. Oh, they, so you were an employee, not an independent contractor. Yeah, I was the only one on the show that had that structure. I feel like that's so smart. I wonder why the production company that I worked with wouldn't agree to that, because I feel like we all even asked for that at some point.
Starting point is 00:30:52 They did give pushback on it and said that they wouldn't do that. And I was like, no, you guys have to withhold, because I want to know exactly how much I'm making so that I can learn how to like financially manage this. And I wanna make sure that all of my obligations are taken care of and I never see it. So I just said I wouldn't film until you guys agree to do this.
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Starting point is 00:33:37 I think the last season that I filmed, that was so hard for me after having like my own life to do for three months and not have to worry about a film crew or scheduling that. It was really, really difficult for me to go back just after three months and I had a meeting last last week, last week or two weeks ago about doing kale and the chaos and I was talking about all the things that I would, all of my stipulations, and it was just based on my experience.
Starting point is 00:34:08 It wasn't anything crazy, like stipulations, like being able to help produce and seeing the final cut before it errors, kind of like the Kardashians, when they did keeping up with the Kardashians, things like that, I want a producer credit because I'm in charge.
Starting point is 00:34:25 Like there was just so many things. I just, it's so, I would do it, but I think it would be very weird to go back. It's hard for the people who are on reality TV who don't have any type of producer credit because you film basically what they tell you to. And then you don't know how it's going to be cut or how it's going to be used. On Chris Lino's best, my dad was the only one that had a producer credit. Really? So did he get to see final cuts and things before they aired or no?
Starting point is 00:35:01 Yeah. So if he saw something edited the way that it was just not accurate, could he say no, we're not airing this? Yeah, I believe so. Like he had a full say and... So yeah, that's the only way I would go back to filming. And I had told them. I said at the meeting I said my biggest concern was that my story couldn't be told in four minutes. And so it was focusing on things that did not matter and blown things up. And so then it was very difficult. And I would get defensive because you're wanting me to tell my story in four minutes and then editing that down. I'm like, my story is worth 40 fucking minutes. I got lots of baby daddies, lots of fucking kids. I have podcast, I have all kinds of shit. I said, it's not fair to expect me to be okay
Starting point is 00:35:45 with this villain edit. And then I was leaning into it because that's what you do. What you do. You lean into whatever narrative is pushed on you for several years. I said, so you give me the proper time to tell a proper and accurate story and I'm in.
Starting point is 00:36:01 You know, like I'm not gonna have less problem filming the drama. If it's the entire picture versus he said this, but then she said is not there or, you know, whatever it was. So I don't know where it's gonna go, but I'm not signing up for one sided bullshit. I'm past that point in my life. I'm like, I'm 33 and I got shit to do. And it's certainly not one sided bullshit. So. I got shit to do and it's certainly not one-sided bullshit. Well, and two, I don't communicate with
Starting point is 00:36:25 Harvey and Chris outside of email. Stop trying to force a narrative and force me to talk about, we don't have a relationship. There's nothing there. So why are we focusing on Chris and Harvey? It's email-only and it's working. And we're getting along that way and nothing is wrong that way. And so let's just, if it's just- It's just if it's right and so it's just things like that.
Starting point is 00:36:49 But anyway, we can move on from this. I don't think that I plan on talking about that. You know what? It kind of what the last thing that you just said kind of goes hand in hand with my current state of mind of just being on this self-journey of protecting my piece and not allowing any outside influences disturb what I know is in the best interest of not only myself but my household. Right, absolutely, you know.
Starting point is 00:37:18 And like I'm not going to do anything that feels inauthentic for any reason at this point. Like why? Absolutely not. And you know, Kristen keeps reminding me, she's like, kill, like, you can do a show if you want, but you don't have to, like, you're fine. And I'm like, I know, I just think it's what I know. So I equate my success to reality TV,
Starting point is 00:37:39 where I shouldn't, because I've worked on things outside of the show that have been super successful for me or you know like this podcast and things like that But you know, I was on TV for 13 years, so I equate Success to having a reality show which is just not fair. Well, I mean, I feel like it's what You know and because that was pretty much all you did for a long period of time. And that's where you invested so much time. I think it's fair to give credit from where you came from.
Starting point is 00:38:14 But at the same time, don't give too much credit from where you came from to diminish what you've currently done. And somebody had commented on my Instagram that was like, Oh, writing your parents' co-tails or something like that. And I'm like, that's interesting because and then Kristen cost them out. Um, writing your parents' co-tails and I'm like, Oh, that's interesting because I actually left Chris Lino's best on my own terms. I took a six-month
Starting point is 00:38:42 hiatus, partnered up with you, started coffee combos, and have had more success in the podcast space and I ever had success in reality TV. So, as much as I am so thankful for the platform that Chris Lee knows best gave me to be able to launch off of that and to do something else, I don't give all of the credit to reality TV. Right. You give credit where credit is due and keep it moving. And last time I checked, I started in the podcast space and others came to the podcast space.
Starting point is 00:39:16 So it wasn't, I didn't follow anybody. Well. So there's that. That is the T. Listener question from the Facebook group. It says does anyone else feel like they can't go and do anything fun for themselves if their house isn't perfect. I feel like I have so many responsibilities and chores that I need to do at home that I can enjoy myself without thinking that I should
Starting point is 00:39:38 be there doing that stuff. That is something that I really struggle with. Any advice on how to stop that mindset and enjoy myself and plan fun trips with the kids would be appreciated. And I can't relate to this more. I used to be like this so much to the point that I would delay travel time, knowing that we said we were gonna be on the road, let's say noon.
Starting point is 00:40:03 We get on the road at three because I'm trying to get all kinds of shit done at home that honestly could wait until we got back. I just hate coming back to a dirty house. It stresses me out because I'm like, okay, I went from like one chaotic thing to the next chaotic thing. I have learned, and I'm blessed
Starting point is 00:40:26 because I have the ability to have flexibility and you have to consider also, I have Jackson 50% of the time, so, and I have one child. But I have learned that I have to map out so far in advance to make sure that I get the things done, that I wanna get done before I leave and there are sometimes that it's just not gonna get done and I become okay with it I also hate coming home to especially from a trip
Starting point is 00:40:56 I have less of a problem if I'm just going out to dinner or something and I know that there's tours at the house because it's not a big deal I can't with all my kids and my animals and everything else, I can, I cannot imagine the anxiety that would take over. So I feel this girl completely and I just think, if I had to do every single thing in the house before I do anything, I would, I would never get to leave. So that, I don't even, I wish I had advice. I don't because I just go. Here, like, my advice is just leave the bullshit
Starting point is 00:41:29 and come back to it. Because it'll, I mean, it'll still be there. So. Yeah. But yeah, no, I mean, that's difficult because coming home from a trip is stressful as fuck when you're just like, why couldn't I have done this before I left?
Starting point is 00:41:42 You know, I am so anal about my house. It's not really the stuff. It is being in a clean and peaceful space. And if it feels chaotic, I don't feel that peace. Right. And so I always, before travel, I always go through my refrigerator and get rid of all kinds of
Starting point is 00:42:07 shit that I know is going to be bad whenever I come back. I always try to make sure that most of all of my laundry is done whenever I leave because I don't want to come back to it. Now there's been plenty of times that I have left my house where my laundry is done but it hasn't been put away and that was a big step for me to be able to know okay it's okay it's in a basket and it's clean and I'll put it away when I get home. I think taking the small steps were what was good for me and also planning ahead because when you're traveling with children and you're traveling, also planning ahead because when you're traveling with, if you have children and you're traveling,
Starting point is 00:42:46 I'm really, and people would probably not expect this of me, I'm a really, really bad packer, like I'm in an anxiety packer, and I last minute pack. And I don't think that anyone listening would be like, oh, Lindsay's a last minute packer and a last minute, you know, doer, but I am, but I have written into my schedule. I am leaving town on Friday.
Starting point is 00:43:09 I will have all of my stuff packed and in the car on Thursday night. So that all of that chaos isn't here. And the only thing I have left to put in the car is like my makeup bag, like my toiletry bag. It's just, it's really hard with people that have multiple children though. Like I feel like...
Starting point is 00:43:26 The anxiety I have about packing for multiple children. I know. That, for me, is the, is going back all the way two weeks ago, three weeks ago, when someone asked, like, going, traveling for 15 month old. If you have one, sure, like you said. I mean, I personally, I'm not going to do it at this stage, but I understand traveling and packing for multiple kids is probably the one thing that I have like crippling anxiety over and I like bone used to pack my kids bags for me because I literally would just look at the stuff and not know what because I don't
Starting point is 00:44:02 for me because I literally would just look at the stuff and not know it because I don't, that is the most overwhelming thing having multiple children. Like if we have three sports in one day, I'm fine. I got every sports bag ready to go and like I keep everybody's sports shit together but when it comes to a vacation or like a weekend away, fuck no, fuck no.
Starting point is 00:44:20 One hack and it's probably not even a hack. Probably so many people do it. The best thing that I ever did for myself is to learn how to compartmentalize my packing and use the packing cubes because I forget, far less. And I have specific packing cubes for specific things. So it's like, I know when I'm packing Jackson's bag, it makes it less overwhelming because I'm not thinking of like a whole thing altogether all at
Starting point is 00:44:49 once. I'm thinking of that packing cube. So it's like pajamas, zip up, done, underwear, and socks, zip up, done, t-shirts, same thing. And I've learned to pack myself that way. And I feel like I don able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if you're going to be even Lux believe it. Lux is your child because he told me last night before he was going to bed after baseball that he was going to clean his whole bathroom. I love that. I love that. Like go the fuck off. Like I love that. When they compact for themselves as a game changer, but I think for me like when we went to New York this two weeks last week, whenever the fuck we were just in New York, everyone was at their dads when I was packing. So I had to do it just to realize, Lincoln and Isaac do their own laundry now.
Starting point is 00:45:51 Their laundry wasn't done. So they had no clean underwear, no socks. I'm texting their dads, like, well, emailing one, texting the other. Can you please send pajamas and underwear because they didn't do their laundry over here and I didn't realize. Normally, they do their laundry before they go to their dad so that when they come home, they have clean laundry. So that's part of the anxiety, the anxiety also is just they don't have what they needed. So then it was just fucking night there. The packing cubes, I just got on that train whenever I went to Thailand. So
Starting point is 00:46:23 now that you say that, I'm going to, sorry, Kristen, since we're going to Mertle Beach, whenever we're going to Mertle Beach with Kristen, I don't know when. I am gonna order packing cubes for the kids because now that makes so much sense. Like I can do that for myself. Why didn't I think of that for my children?
Starting point is 00:46:39 Well, and it just helps. If you can make a list for your kids and be like, okay, you need five outfits and you need five pair pajamas, you know, pack you extra couple pair of draws because we know you gonna shit at them, like making them a list and sending them to the room with their list and they're packing cubes, they'll do so much better, I feel like than just throwing everything in a suitcase and then wondering why they have no draws when they get there.
Starting point is 00:47:07 Right. Also, going back to the listener topic about the anxiety, Lindsay has always been very heavy on that everything has a place. So if you have kids and things like that, make sure they know where the places are. And if you need to get labels like in my office at home, every fucking thing, and I'll take a picture of it,
Starting point is 00:47:28 has a label. So my kids can never, if they take out any type of school supply, craft supply, coloring books, anything, they can never tell me they don't know where it goes. Also in my drawers in the kitchen, I did the same thing. I mean, they don't have labels, but you can pull out the drawer, you know what's what. So that is huge.
Starting point is 00:47:48 So if you have someone that's living with you, either a partner or roommate, kids, whatever, once they see where a place is, like where said thing goes, it's less clutter, it's less to pick up. Also, Elijah did something in our bathroom. We keep, I don't have like a hamper specifically in the bathroom. I have one in the closet, but the laundry basket in our bathroom is for towels
Starting point is 00:48:15 and we keep it at the bottom of our linen closet. So all the dirty towels go in there because I personally like to wash my white towel separate from anything else. So that kind of minimizes the shit and it's also out of the way. So like you know when you go to open your linen closet and you go to get a clean towel, okay, there's only two left. I got to take the ones at the bottom to clean them.
Starting point is 00:48:35 So like little shit like that where it's just like more of like a system is super helpful. I'm trying to think of other tips that have worked. So like labels, systems, for the kids, whenever I had the neat method come do the kids closets, they have actually maintained it because again, they knew where everything was. It's sort of like a packing queue, but like for real life, not for every day. Yeah. I mean, it has a place. Yeah. And so it's like labeled for the kids or whatever, you know, the case is. So think about that.
Starting point is 00:49:07 Look at the Instagrams. You don't even have to hire these people. You can look at the Instagrams. I think the home edit might have like a situation where you can like buy it online or something. The neat method might have it also. Do the place for everything. See if your kids and your partner,
Starting point is 00:49:21 your roommate, whoever can help organize it. Once it's established, it's so much easier to keep up with. And then you'll know like what needs to be done, what doesn't need to be done. Love that advice. And yes, everything in life has a place in your life, whether that be organization at home, friendships, relationships, your children have a place.
Starting point is 00:49:44 Yeah. Your children have a place. Yeah. Your children have a place. I'm obsessed with my quint slippers and also my downcomer. Could you pop me? No, I got the waffle slippers and you got different ones. Oh yeah, I got different ones
Starting point is 00:49:58 and I also am obsessed with my slippers. I like my slippers but I think you're slippers. Also, you need to get the downcumseater. I got the white one and I love it. So let's talk about Quinn's for a second. They offer a range of mothsabs, which I love. They have
Starting point is 00:50:12 sweaters. They have European linens. They have mulberry silks skirts. Pretty much anything that you would wear or having your home they have. I actually was having my make up done the other day and came out of the bathroom and when I was wearing
Starting point is 00:50:24 the cutest pair of Quinn's pajamas and the girls were like, was having my makeup done the other day and came out of the bathroom and when I was wearing the cutest pair of quince pajamas and the girls were like oh my god I absolutely love those and I just said with quince you can get high quality timeless pieces without paying luxury price tag and that is for me. Yeah I absolutely love it you will elevate any space or your closet. Shop with quince today and discover the affordable luxury you deserve. Right now, go to quince.com slash coffee to get free shipping and 365 day returns on your next order.
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Starting point is 00:51:16 and all my scandals. Ugh. And you'll get a look at what life is like for us now as we figure out marriage and parenthood, little cruzy. and friendships and definitely feuds. It's our real reality with and without cameras. It's sometimes with special guests like our Celeb Friends former castmates and other veterans of reality TV. So listen to and follow when reality hits with us Jack Taylor and Brittany Popright. That Apple podcast spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, um, the next listener topic from the Facebook group says, I know it's long, but I think
Starting point is 00:51:56 you could both can relate. Have you ever dated someone who is just so perfect, but something just doesn't click? I was seeing this guy for about seven months. We agreed at the start. It was just casual, but despite that, he still treated me better than I've ever experienced before. Randomly buying me flowers, planning really nice dates, always messaging me good morning and good night, but despite all of that and really enjoying the time together, I just didn't fall in love.
Starting point is 00:52:20 He did. The casual status, all of a sudden, became too much for him, understandably, so we broke it off. It's just so frustrating because I don't know why I just couldn't develop those feelings. Is it because he just wasn't right? And if not, why not? Do I only fall for jerks or am I not over my ex? I know none of you can answer this for me, but I'm just curious if someone else has had this experience or has any ideas. I don't know right now. I just feel like love is stupid, chemical reaction, and if it was controllable at all,
Starting point is 00:52:48 I would have just had fallen for this guy. This is like me and Malik. This is literally what she just described is me and Malik, and I never fell for him the way that he, I mean, he asked me to marry him, you know? Like, I just never, I mean, he, and I'm not speaking to now because of what he did after the fact, I just never developed the same type of feelings. And I think partially was because I was not over Chris and partially because people can have all the right, they can check off all the boxes and it's just not still not the right person for you. And so,
Starting point is 00:53:24 unfortunately, I didn't make good choices and I let him on and I stayed for way longer than I should have and he would come every time I try to break up with him, he'd come back. And so it just became this game essentially, but it's sometimes people just aren't right for you and they could do such good things and be such a good person and it's just,
Starting point is 00:53:44 you're not compatible. I also think that there is something to be said about the chaos. If you only fall for jerks, which is what she said, you know, there is, and I'm not going to get too much into the psychology of it, but they're based on what I've learned from therapy is that you can be addicted to the chaos and not realize.
Starting point is 00:54:01 It's the highs and lows, the pulling in, the pulling out, not sexually. and not realize it's the highs and lows, the pulling in, the pulling out, not sexually, I mean of the commitment of the relationship, of the partnership, whatever. And also the other. But yeah, also the other. And so it's like one of these things where you don't even realize that you love the chaos, you don't even realize the highs and lows that you have until you're so far out of it, that you're like, wow, now that makes sense. You know, it's the, the rush, the adrenaline, the dopamine, and then it completely drops off.
Starting point is 00:54:29 And then it comes back. And so it's an addiction, right? Just like, you know, my therapist, way back when I first started, um, 2019, she, I related it to drugs. And I was just like, you know, I literally feel like I'm a drug addict. It feels like I go on these fucking benders and I can't understand why this is happening. And she was like, it's kind of like, I forget what she said. I don't know if she said like chasing a dragon or chasing the monster,
Starting point is 00:54:54 where like you're essentially chasing that first, first, first, high that you ever had. And you never quite get to that first high that you felt. It's sort of like that in these relationships. Yeah, and so that's something there's something to be said there and I think you know until you heal that part on your own you're you're never gonna fall for someone that's actually good for you. Also do you remember Katie Morton? Yes. She told me one time we did a solo
Starting point is 00:55:23 episode I forget where you were I think I was a time change So I was like I'll take the episode She told me because I was telling her in that episode like I really wanted it to work with this person It was Malik at the time, but like I wasn't into it and she said that It's good to be bored and it's good to be in a calm relationship and you have to get comfortable with that. Until you get comfortable with that, you're never gonna be okay dating someone who's good for you. That should be normalized.
Starting point is 00:55:52 But I think a lot of times when people have been in such toxic situations that that becomes your norm and you have to kind of retrain yourself out of that. And I think that in situations like this girl saying, and you have to kind of retrain yourself out of that. And I think that in situations like this girl saying, I think the qualities and the characteristics of a person can be right, but the energy can be wrong. And even though they meet the qualities
Starting point is 00:56:19 that you're looking for, and this person has all of those characteristics and positive attributes about them. If the energy doesn't match, neither do y'all. It's that simple. And to your point of toxic relationships, I think if you've ever been in one unless you've ever been in one, you will not understand the next thing
Starting point is 00:56:41 that I'm about to say. But I think once it's so toxic, you don't realize that it was toxic until it gets to a level of completely and totally just unhealthy. And the back and forth of that is almost like a high. Oh, 100%. 100%. And you know, know for most I would imagine You're cognizant enough to know that what you're doing is unhealthy But you can't get out of it. You don't have enough foresight or emotional bandwidth to get yourself out of that toxic pattern.
Starting point is 00:57:25 I cannot stand. Yeah. Toxic shit goes on for so long. And people don't, people who have not been in a toxic relationship will never understand that. And it's the most infuriating fucking thing when they're like, just get out. Why did you go back? Like, I mean, pretty much all of my relationships have been very, very toxic going back to high
Starting point is 00:57:44 school. They've all been very, very toxic going back to high school. They've all been toxic, right? Well, just get out of it. I would vent to, you know, my friends or whatever. Well, why would you go back? But then when you get in something normal, you second guess yourself. Yes. Question. Like, why is this so normal? And is this person missing something? because it's nothing like what I had before and like why is it like this?
Starting point is 00:58:09 And you have to get out of the pattern. And I do think that that's why when you come out of a toxic relationship, if you are not working actively on yourself, whether that be through therapy or self-healing, you shouldn't jump right back into a next thing because you're never going to be able to separate those two relationships, the toxic one to the one that could be healthy. Could you always compare them to each other?
Starting point is 00:58:35 And you'll still be romanticizing the toxic one and the good parts of the toxic one, and then you'll unromanticize for lack of better words. The one that could be good for you and you'll never fully commit there because you can't. You're not capable of it. We had another question that is from someone that says, since you're freshly divorced, I wouldn't really consider myself freshly divorced, but in the grand scheme of things probably, could you give me some insight to all the things that need to be covered in my divorce and custody? My situation is a little different because my husband is abusive to me and my children and then this person tagged you and said I'll take all of the vice you have on getting over the mental and emotional and physical abuse.
Starting point is 00:59:21 How do you stop loving this man? Kitty's if you have any advice for me, I'm open for it. Just reading my initial divorce complaint has me in shambles, Googling every word only to feel like an idiot. Oh, that's so difficult. I always say put everything that is in or can be in the kitchen sink
Starting point is 00:59:45 and your paperwork. Because I don't think that that's something that you'll ever regret. The regret will be as if you don't. Yes, and I can attest to that. Keep a running document of, you know, since the complaint has been filed or you know, whoever has filed for divorce,
Starting point is 01:00:04 keep a running document, or a document, Google Sheet, whatever of things that your ex says and does, that need to be noted. And just put just what needs to be noted. Don't give a whole long story about it. Just bullet point what needs to be noted. Same for the kids if he is there or not there for the kids, if he during this time, because if you don't have custody during this time, you're going to have to share the kids with them, with him.
Starting point is 01:00:37 Write everything down. If the kids say anything, you know, to you about what he's doing, what he's saying that needs to be noted, write that down, keep it in a running dock. Make sure your lawyer gets it. Or if you're not using a noted, write that down, keep it in a running doc. Make sure your lawyer gets it, or if you're not using a lawyer, make sure you use it, use a binder, or whatever you need to do. There's a cozy app that has like scheduling that you can do for where like you and the co-parent
Starting point is 01:00:57 can share the kids' schedules. That's helpful. Also, talking parents is a way to communicate, not be an email, but be a text. You cannot delete text. And it's a safe way to communicate so the courts can see how you guys are communicating. That's an option. Like, in a state of Georgia, sometimes it's ordered. Yep. Same for us too. Like, could be on the apps. Yep. Definitely get yourself into therapy. us to like, uh, yeah, definitely get yourself into therapy. Um, even if you don't necessarily think that you need it right now, I think it would be great for you and to tell your lawyer,
Starting point is 01:01:32 um, or the judge, like, listen, I'm trying to do everything I can to get through this. I want to do the right thing. Um, and see if your kids need aren't going to need therapy. I don't know how old they are. Um, save all your receipts because that's a whole separate thing. Like Lindsey said, holidays, birthdays, vacation time, notice for things. Who's paying for sports? Who's, you know, are you doing 2, 2, 3, or are you doing 50, 50?
Starting point is 01:01:56 Are you not doing any? Can you get, if he's abusive to you and your kids, can you get an emergency PFA? Is that an option for you? Is that an option for you? Is it an option for him to have supervised visits? Do you have proof or documentation of the abuse? These are all things that you should definitely consider and take a day for yourself to look through your phone
Starting point is 01:02:15 to see what things that you have, what text can be printed out. Do you have threats? Do you have any of that? Ask an attorney, can you get a PFA? Because if he's abusive to you and the kids, that's a whole other can of worms. I don't know what state you're in,
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Starting point is 01:04:40 I'm fortunate enough that that wasn't a part of my divorce and I also in the grand scheme of things feel like I had a pretty amicable settlement and also it was pretty easy to make the parenting plan because we had good attorneys and we're willing to work with each other. I hate to see people who make it to the point of getting it worse, having children involved and not putting the children first. I think that you have to put yourself first,
Starting point is 01:05:18 get yourself in therapy or on some type of, you know, self-healing journey because you are going through a lot. It's a bighealing journey because you are going through a lot. It's a big life change and your children are going through a lot. So you have to be strong for your kids. So in order for you to be strong for them, you have to be strong for you. And I do believe that there is a reason for everything that happens. There's a reason for all of our stories.
Starting point is 01:05:47 everything that happens, there's a reason for all of our stories. And if you want to personally message me, I would be happy to share some of my inside info on my personal parenting plan and maybe that can help a little bit. I just don't feel comfortable sharing it, you know, on here. But, but yeah, I would love to be able to help. I always say, and Will says, like, we rarely refer to our parenting plan outside of holiday scheduling. We're very flexible, flexible when it comes to needing to change dates for work obligations, or if he has family things going on that I don't want Jackson missing out on then you know I'm flexible with changing with him. For example, Mother's Day and Father's Day is a weekend holiday in our parenting plan so you can celebrate the whole weekend so from Friday to Monday and that's for both parents. We'll have Jackson on Friday and Saturday,
Starting point is 01:06:45 so I could do some alone stuff and have some alone time by myself and then celebrate and be fully present all day with Jackson on a Sunday. And we were flexible about that, but that's not what our parenting plan says. And back, we went through two different custody schedules before we got to our 225.
Starting point is 01:07:02 So I also wanna say we didn't have it figured out from the beginning and what's actually written in our parenting plan is not what we go off of. To that point, I've said on this podcast before, there's nothing in my parenting plan with Chris about birthdays, so he's getting the kids for their birthdays for the second year in a row. And that was me missing, just missing that part.
Starting point is 01:07:24 Some parts of my custody order with him are very vague. The other two are not vague at all. So there are just, you have to be, and to your point of getting through this and how not to love them, I was in therapy for three years to get over this man. So it's not gonna be easy, and you're gonna go through times where you miss him, where you
Starting point is 01:07:45 love him, where you are romanticizing all the things, all the good things. But with distance and, you know, time and healing. And yeah, because I mean, I you couldn't pay me to go back to that man now, you know, and that's with all respect possible because I want the best for him. We're not arguing right now. Just saying like you couldn't pay me to go back to him and I never thought I would get over him. So it's going to take time and it's going to be painful and it's going to be hard and you're going to cry and you're going to try to at some point date other people. It's probably not going to work because you're still not over him. And you know, it's just one of those things that you have to give time and give yourself some grace. So I don't have any advice other than time and distance.
Starting point is 01:08:25 You have to put the distance between you guys. If that means going no contact and only speaking through lawyers, then do it. Or only speaking through the parenting app, then do it. I think a lot of times when you are going through a relationship stuff, whether you're, you know, trying to decide if you're gonna stay in one or you're getting out of one, you're going through a divorce, you've got kids involved. A lot of times when you're no longer with
Starting point is 01:08:49 that person, you find yourself romanticizing things that never existed because it was something that you're fantasizing about. Yep, 100%. And so I just encourage you to look at the actual facts of what your situation was and don't romanticize or fantasize about something that did not exist. So there's that. And now it's time for us to do foul play. Hi, Kale, Lindsay and Kristen. First of all, I love all the podcasts. Y'all are amazing. Now on to the foul play. So today I'm at the OBGYN for my 39 week appointment. I'm mistakenly peed before I was mistakenly peed before I went. So when they asked for a urine sample, I told them I chug some water during my appointment and leave it on the way out. So I get to the
Starting point is 01:09:35 bathroom and I'm praying for something to happen unusual since I feel like I'm always having to pee these days. I finally fill the cup about halfway. When I went to wipe off the cup, my clumsy ass pops in all over the bathroom floor. At this point, I'm in fight or flight mode. First, I have to muster up another bit of pee, which of course was a whole ordeal. And then I had to clean up the remains, so no one except for now an entire following of coffee combos. Listeners knows that happened. I guess this is a weird mess up way of preparing me for motherhood. Thanks for the bullshittery every week.
Starting point is 01:10:08 I look forward to it every Thursday. It's so funny that this came up because when I went to the gynecologist, I very much took it seriously of the no eating past 10 p.m. and I think I had to not eat. Because I have my labs done you know so you can't you can't eat you're I think it's supposed to be like 12 hours or something like you had a fast for blood work yeah they always make me faster blood work I don't remember getting blood work every year for my
Starting point is 01:10:39 for my annual move on move on you gonna need to move on so Stay out my business so I had my labs done and I was like I've got a muster up some piss because like I've had nothing and it's been like lots of hours like way over 12 hours the only thing I had was water, but like it evidently wasn't enough to cause me to go to the bathroom. So I go in and you know, you grab those cups and it's so awkward because you know
Starting point is 01:11:11 that everybody has touched every fucking crevice of that bathroom with possible urine hands. And I also wonder why they don't have like a glove for you to slip your hand in when you go to like open that metal door to like put your piss in the thing. Because people have peed, put their koochi up to the cup,
Starting point is 01:11:32 then they go and stick it right up, guaranteed because this is the method that I do, that you go and stick it right away, then wash your hands. Right. Also, when you're peeing in the cup, I've definitely tinkled on my hand before. Oh, that doesn't surprise me about you at all.
Starting point is 01:11:49 Also, though, I was able to go literally like this much, so it just like covered the bottom like little rim of the cup. And so I was like, fuck, this is not going to be enough and then I'm going to have to redo it. So I need to like ask the nurse for some water while I'm waiting for the doctor to come in and check me. And I sit down and she does my blood pressure and all this. And she's checking my iron.
Starting point is 01:12:14 And I said, did you check right here? And she was like, yeah, it was good. Everything's fine, whatever. And I said, well, it's always the weirdest thing because you never know, like they never tell you, like fill the cup up or it's just kind of like, you're on your own island, like you go in, is, are we supposed to fill up the whole cup? Like, she's like, oh, just enough, you know,
Starting point is 01:12:35 like for me to check to make sure you don't have any, like type of infection, pregnancy test, you know, whatever, just like dip it in. And it was just the bottom. So I encourage all of you who are pissing in the cup and filling it all the way to the brim. It's unnecessary. Also, if your bathroom at your OB or your GYN is within arm's reach, stick the cup on like the sink or something while you get your shit together because surprisingly enough, I've never spilled urine. I've never spilled urine either, ever. Now I say that the next time I go I'll
Starting point is 01:13:09 fucking spill it all over the place. But I also when I'm peeing at that place, I always look on the floor to see like if there's any particles of anything. Do you? No, because I'll get so skived out. Skived? I will get so skived out. I'm so weird about that. So tell me you don't have your lab done? At my yearly visit, no, I don't think so. Unless there's like a problem, I get my pat, but I don't remember getting my lab done at a yearly.
Starting point is 01:13:38 But now I'm going to ask, maybe like, listen, my friend gets her blood taken for her yearly. Why is that not happening for me? I didn't last year. Hmm. OK. Second and last, foul play. Hi, ladies.
Starting point is 01:13:52 I listen to all the podcasts, of course. OK, so back senior year of high school, I had a best friend who didn't smoke weed. It was around her birthday, and I decided I was going to get her high because she decided she wanted to. And I was someone who was always super comfortable. She was always super comfortable with. While we're driving my car later
Starting point is 01:14:08 and she's so violently messed up, she smashes her head off my passenger window because she thought it was down and puked all over the inside of my passenger's side of my car. Shit was gross, thanks for listening to guys. I love you all. Damn, I didn't know smoking weed would make you throw up.
Starting point is 01:14:24 I've heard this, her, I'm like a lot of people honestly. Yeah. I've never, I've never thrown up anytime. I've never thrown up, but I have heard people talk about it and I've heard people getting sick from gummies too. Oh. Yeah. I don't think that that's uncommon, but what is uncommon is someone who decided to smash their head off of somebody's passenger window. I would be absolutely pissed and if someone puked in my car immediately know that you have just signed up for a detailed payment. Oh, and rightfully so. I mean like If you throw up in someone's car, they shouldn't even have to ask you for that. That's something that you should be offering. Were you the person that told me that you threw up in an Uber before? No. Someone told me they threw up in an Uber before and then got pissed because the
Starting point is 01:15:16 person gave them like a bad review and I'm like well no shit. Like you literally puked your guts out all over the back of their car. And then their Uber driving for the day was done. It was done. They're overdriving for the week was done because they probably bit by the time they got a detail appointment. And I'm not touching nobody, no fucking strangers throw up.
Starting point is 01:15:38 I'm just not. Speaking of cars though, did you see in the Facebook group where there was like this custom car and it was a seat that had a toilet in it? I commented. I was like, if I ever hit the lotto, I'm getting a seat with a toilet in it. But where would the, where would the piss and shit go? Maybe it's a line of road or on the road. That's disgusting. That is a better than shit in the car. That's a literal safety hazard for the United States of America's
Starting point is 01:16:12 citizens. Where do you think shit goes now? Not on the highway. No, but it goes in the water. And that's why I don't go in them. I go into pools with chlorine. That's enough. So on that note, I got some shit to do and I've been extremely tired. So I hope to stop giving me that face. If you guys have not followed us on at Coffee Convuse Podcasts on Instagram, you know where to fucking find us. And if you have not subscribed to our show, you can do that by searching any podcast app where every of your podcasts always first to our folks at podcast one. We love you guys and we'll talk to you soon. See ya. you

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