Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Reasonable Doubt & Group vs Singled-out Punishment

Episode Date: March 28, 2024

CC341: Kail gives us some updates on Scott Peterson, Lindsie watched the new Boston marathong bombers documentary, and what do we think about group punishments when one person from the group messed up? Lindsie shares an incident with Jackson relating to the topic. Kail also wants everyone to watch the new Quiet On Set docu-series. Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more! Thank you to our sponsors! The Farmer’s Dog: Get 50% off your first box, plus free shipping at TheFarmersDog.com/coffeeconvosHatch: Get $20 off your purchase of the Hatch Restore and free shipping at hatch.co/coffeeconvosRocket Money: Manage your expenses the easy way by going to RocketMoney.com/COFFEECONVOSSignos: Go to Signos.com and use code COFFEE to get up to 20% off select plans for you todayStamps: Visit Stamps.com and use code COFFEE for a 4-week trial, free postage, and a digital scale!

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsay. Welcome everyone to Coffee House podcast. Good morning. Good morning. How are we doing? We're better now. Wait, we have the same one today. Look. Oh, I actually need them to send me a restock because I got this singular one at Target. I also got these at Target. They don't have them in our gas. They don't have them in Wawa or-

They have them in certain gas stations here, but it's very few and far between. For those of you who don't know who we're talking about, you can't see us. We're talking about Elani Energy Drinks. I honestly tried to get off of all energy drinks and it just wasn't for me. Yeah, it's definitely not for me. Also, it's been really weird because I need it throughout the day, but then also unrelated to the Elani during the day because I've never had this problem. I don't know if it's the sleep regression with the babies or the chaos during the day.

I'm wired at night now and it has nothing to do with this because this wears off by like 3 p.m. Do you have just one a day? Yeah, I only drink one Elani every day. Yeah, me too. For a thing, like literally the first thing that I do every morning, actually somebody sent me a message and was like,

what's the first thing that you and Kale both do every morning? Mine is brush my teeth immediately. Oh, 100%. And wash my face. Pop an Elani. Pop an Elani and get my eye gels out of the refrigerator at the same time. Yes.

And it made me think. I was about to say, speaking of those. Okay, so I have the same ones as you and I have worn them both ways with the skinny side here and the skinny side here. Got messages on both videos, pictures, whatever, telling me that I was wearing them wrong. So I finally messaged Peter Thomas Roth, which shout out to Peter Thomas Roth because they are exquisite. Love them so much. They're pricey, but they're incredible. I said, what am I doing? Like, am I wearing these wrong? Can you confirm or deny like what's what? And he and whoever I don't know why I said he

maybe because Peter Thomas Roth, but whoever responded said that you can wear them any way. You can wear them with fat side out or fat side in. It doesn't matter. So I, after you text me about this, I remembered we were like on a trip somewhere and you told me that I was wearing my eye gel wrong because I had this skinny part on the inside and the fatter part on the outside. For years, since that happened, I've been wearing them the way you told me to wear them. But then I saw another creator on Instagram talking about these eye gels that she wears and she said that either way, it doesn't matter because if you're trying to like target your crow's feet

to wear the big part on the outside and the skinny part on the end. But if you're trying to like majorly target your under eye then to do them this way and that there's no wrong way. Well, so I get Botox for my crow's feet. So not Botox, I get Disport for my crow's feet. So not Botox. I get Disport for my crow's feet. So probably for me makes more sense to wear them how like the bigger side here because I don't want bags under my eyes.

Well, in fact, wearing it with the small like underneath my eye kind of irritates my inner eye. Okay. Oh, yeah, because it like, because it moves when your face moves and stuff. I could see that. I could totally see that. Yeah. I don't love it that way. Anybody out here not wearing eye gels?

Get on it. Get on it. Okay. So I really quickly have an update and we don't have to spend too much time on this, but I did want to just touch base on something that we've been talking about for the last two weeks, which is keeping our children safe for predators and stuff. Someone messaged me, her name's Rita, and she said, good morning, listening to the podcast and you were wondering how to build a safe space for your kids. She said, I have three

daughters, we have a family emoji that they send anytime, no questions asked, and we immediately go get them. She said it doesn't have to be anything illegal or dangerous, but it's just them knowing that no matter what, we're always going to be there and that's important. It's worked and it's super simple. And I feel like that is so true. Like any situation where I have been in situations where I'd be like, mom, don't say that I wanted you to come get me or not my mom You know what I mean. It's like little things where it's like, I don't want to be here. I'm uncomfortable. Whatever the case is, it doesn't have to be illegal or dangerous. You just don't want to be there. You don't want to say that and you don't want someone to see you say that. So I love that.

I feel like it was so much more common back in the 90s for people to have safe words that they taught their kids? Yeah. I'm pretty sure that we had one. I can't remember what it was. Haven't used it in a very long time. But then that makes me think during that time of life, we also had an exit strategy to get out of our house in the event of an emergency.

And I feel like people don't do that with your kids anymore. Oh, I do. We have that. And I have those single use escape ladders in every single one of my kids' rooms upstairs. Wait, tell me more. I got them off Amazon and you're only supposed to use them one time. And I saw, which is crazy, I saw one of the old football moms on one of our teams, they were practicing

and I didn't want to be like an asshole, but they're single use. So you're not supposed to like practice on them. It's like maybe buy one to have, but I have ever since that one Bath and Body Works candle lit my house on fire that one time. Ever since then I got the safety ladders that you put out the second floor window and you crawl out because the house, there's no, my old house in Middletown had two staircases to be able to get downstairs and multiple exits, but this house does not have that. So it freaks me out to know if there's a fire in my kitchen, which is right at the bottom of my stairs, my kids won't be able to get out of the house. So we, every single room upstairs has the fire escape, single use ladders in the

closets. So that they know how to like properly use escape single use ladders in the closets. So that they know how to like properly use them and what to do in the event that there was an emergency. Yes. Like we've talked about it. We've gone over it like the whole nine because I have such a like, we don't have to get into this but Kristin and I decided yesterday I'm like going to rebuild a house. It's going to have two staircases.

Wait, no, no, We'll talk about it another time. I can't get into it today. I don't want to talk about it right now. I'm saying two staircases because the anxiety that I have of like, because when my house got lit on fire that time, Lux was under one and wow. Yeah. And so I, and he was in his crib, it was nighttime. And the way that, so if he was under one, Isaac would have only been around seven or eight, maybe eight. The way that I was trying to control the fire or whatever, and he was holding on to Lux with, Lux was hands up being dragged down the stairs. Oh my God.

It was just terrifying for me. I just never want to be in that situation ever again. So I was like, let's just get these fucking ladders in everybody's rooms. So unfortunately, Isaac would have to help Creed or somebody would have to help Creed, but at least I know they would get out okay. So now I guess I'm going to invest in single use ladder. Even if you have a guest room or like an office upstairs. Yeah. Put one in there too because you just never know.

But like also, what if so my bedrooms, the windows aren't like on a roof. Does that make sense? So where would they go? Like, does it drop like long enough to the ground? You don't want them on a roof. You want them to hang over the window sill so that they're able to go drop right to the ground. So they'll drop like all the way to the ground. And I think they have different lengths too. Okay. Well, if anyone knows where I live and you see us doing like exit strategies for

emergency. Yes. Like, please mind your business. But back in the day, I feel like people taught their kids to run to a tree or something. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't that a common thing? I feel like they do that for school fire drills too. We don't have a tree to run to and truly if you just run away from the house, we'll see you because it's just open land. All right, y'all. We love our dogs over here on Coffee Convo's podcast. The Farmer's the house, like, we'll see you because it's just open land.

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all the silk things, yes. And you're gonna see a difference in the breakage of your hair, I pillowcase, all the silk things. Yes, and you're gonna see a difference in the breakage of your hair, I promise you, over time. Also, you're not really a bun wearer, are you? No, not really. And typically I wear my hair down at night because I've always read that it causes it to break if you wear it up.

But then one of my girlfriends was telling me that she braids her hair at night with a silk scrunchie. Yeah, I stopped. I could not tell you the last time I put my hair in a bun for maybe like to put my hair up to wash my face or something, but I don't sleep with a bun. I don't wear a bun. Also, like my weekly blowouts have helped. I know like putting my putting heat to your hair that much is not great, but also it's literally once a week because I don't touch it up throughout the week either.

So I'm like- But can we get a tutorial on how that whole process looks because there's never a time that I've ever gotten a blowout that I haven't had to touch it up the next day. This is from Sunday. What do you mean? I got my hair done on Sunday. It's Tuesday for us.

Yeah. And it looks like you just got it done. Yeah. And you didn't, like, what did you mean? I got my hair done on Sunday. It's Tuesday for us. Yeah. And it looks like you just got it done. Yeah. And you didn't like, what did you do? I added a little. So I learned, which I didn't know this until like this month. I thought that you use dry shampoo when your hair gets oily. You're supposed to use it as like a preventative.

So what? Yeah. Like some people have been waiting for their hair to get oily to put the dry shampoo in. It's not reactive. It's proactive. I think they said it is proactive. So my hair, did you hear this from a professional? Yeah. So you put it in when it's clean. Yeah. So like yesterday night before bed, throw a little dry shampoo, like lift up here, put a little dry shampoo. And then when I brushed my hair this morning,

like combed out the knots, cause sometimes I do get knots under here, just comb those out, throw a little dry shampoo in the top and just, and that's it. And so it wasn't oily, but I also don't want it to get oily. Okay, well, I also tried to do your crimping trick,

but I think I did it wrong. I think I did it on to clean up hair. I do it the night. So if I shower at night, I'll do it the next morning. But you don't do anything to your hair. Like what do you do to it before you go to bed? Nothing. You like brush or?

Oh yeah, yeah. Like brush it, do whatever you do, use your leave-in conditioner, whatever, and then the next day, crimp it. Have you ever thought about what life was like before a wet brush? I know, I don't use a wet brush. What do you use?

Whatever dollar store shit I have. Oh wow, I feel like my life is forever changed once I got a wet brush. Maybe I should get one. You absolutely should get a wet brush. I feel like everybody uses them. You know who else can use a wet brush? Who?

Scott Peterson. What? Why? Do you have details to tell us? I do. He has a new look He had a look Scott Peterson has Long hair and a bun. Oh my god. I'm seeing this video

So that's why he looks like right now, correct, and he is now 51 years old he was initially sentenced to death as we all know and he Now has long hair with a bun and I believe he's in the appeals process right now Kale he looks like a completely different person and did you know that the Los Angeles? Innocence project is working with him on this. Yes, so I Actually saw it on Instagram at some point. Somebody had posted about the Los Angeles Innocence Project and it is separate from the Innocence Project. Okay. So, okay. It's its own like-

It's its own, yeah. Okay. Well, they filed motions in January asking the court to further discovery of evidence and allow new DNA testing to support our investigation into Mr. Peterson's claim of actual innocence. So he is continuing to go through this appeals process. Listen, if the innocence project, we know how each of us feel about this. We don't have to go into super depth, but I can see the reasonable doubt in it. I'm not saying he didn't do it. I'm not saying he did do it.

I have briefly thought he didn't do it, but I do see the reasonable doubt and where there could have been misconduct because for the same circumstantial situations in his case versus like OJ Simpson. I was just about to say, do you feel like OJ Simpson is innocent? Absolutely not. I think he's guilty as fuck because- But do you think Scott Peterson is innocent? I think Scott-

Because you changed up. I did. I absolutely did. And I think that for, you know what? I think that OJ was such, there was a lot of different factors that Scott Peterson didn't have, like the fame, the notoriety in his book, if he had done it or whatever. If I did it, I forget what the title is called. He even talks about purposely making the glove not fit. For a situation like that, that's not something that Scott had on his side for his circumstances. It's so weird that you say, don't want to get down a long rabbit hole about this, but

saying about how the glove doesn't fit. We did a scene on Chris Leano's best and I told you about this about the guy who did the polygraph test. He also worked with O.J. Simpson way back when. He told us when we were filming that his attorneys advised him, allegedly, take like blood pressure medication or something like that so his fingers would swell so that when they went to trial that the glove wouldn't fit. Wait, are attorneys allowed to give that sort of advice? I really don't know. I mean, I'm sure there's like crooks in every business. I mean, I really don't know. Who knows how much money he had

to pay for his freaking defense? If the Los Angeles Innocence Project is anything like, if it's similar to the Innocence Project itself, there has to be enough holes for people to truly believe that he's innocent. Oh, Kristin said Casey Anthony's attorney was allegedly fucking her, so they kind of do whatever. Yeah, I mean, that was really weird. That's true too. And remember all those rumors about how she was having sexual relations with him for free

attorney's fees and stuff? So- Attorneys are expensive. Litigation itself is hundreds of thousands of dollars depending on how long it goes. I mean, I've spent hundreds of thousands on litigation and I'm this big on the scale of. Well, I know what my parents spent on their defense and it was in the millions and we're not talking murder.

And we're if they're going through the appeals process, that even costs money too. Yeah, because you have, like the appeals attorney is different than your regular defense attorney. Oh, I didn't know that. I don't know if everybody does it like that. Okay. But I know that that's the situation for my parents,

but I was just reading on this article that said the judge is set a hearing on Peterson's motion to seal on April 16th. So is he requesting for all of this stuff to be sealed? I don't even see how that would be valid because this case has been so public. I just feel like the public interest is too large. Maybe that is why he wants it sealed. Is there any other person that you can think of in the court system that's in prison or whatever that still maintains their innocence after, I mean, he's been in for almost 20 years. So he started, he went to prison in 2005. So it's 2024. That's almost 20 years.

Can you think of it? Because I'm trying to think of other, like BTK killer, he has admitted guilt. Selena's murder, I'm not even going to give her, I'm not even going to say her name. Who else do we know? Casey Anthony, I guess, has maintained her innocence, but she was acquitted. Who after 20 years is still claiming their innocence? The Menendez brothers are like, yes, we did it. Who, because to me-

Well, I feel like if you're in that situation and you feel like there's evidence that could potentially get you off, and there is some slight chance that you could get off, why would you acknowledge guilt until you have exhausted all options? I feel like after 20 fucking years in prison, I would have accepted this fate and been like,

okay, I did this. Because, I mean, look at my life on TV, right? There are certain things that I have denied or haven't spoke on or haven't acknowledged for so long. And then now finally I'm 32 and I'm like, yes, I did fuck up. Yes, I did say that. Yes, I did do that.

You know, like those types of things that you come to terms with, you're finally like, yes, I did that shit. I feel like 20 years in prison, I would be like, yeah, I did it. This is my fate. Like I'm accepting this. You get what I'm saying? Or at least I wouldn't do go the war with it. If I didn't want to say it out loud to other people, I would be like, yeah, I did it. This is my fate. Like I'm accepting this. Do you get what I'm saying? Or at least I wouldn't do go the forward. If I didn't want to say it out loud to other people, I would not do the whole appeals process, still maintain my innocence to other

people. I would just keep my mouth shut and keep it moving kind of thing. I feel like if you're maintaining your innocence at 20 years in prison, do you get what I'm saying? I just feel like he's full of shit and he's a con artist. I feel like there is no question in my mind that he did it. All of the story that was painted to the fact that he did it makes sense to me. And you could not convince me otherwise. If not him, then who? Well, they're saying the van that was parked outside down the street. Oh, that's a scam. That's a scam. I'm just saying I see where there's reasonable doubt. Whether he did it or not, I don't

know, but I am starting to question it and I wish there was a way that we would get the solid truth that nobody could dispute. In this article, it says that the prosecutors maintained that that burglary across the street from the Peterson home happened on December 26th. And that was after she was already missing. I know. I just- So I'm going with prosecutors on this.

I just think this is a lot like the book that I'm reading right now, Mad Honey, very similar. All the circumstances are so like the public wants answers. The victim's family wants answers. And when there is an answer that is so close, could be true, so close to the truth, but it's not confirmed, but they can make it be confirmed. I feel like they don't look for other leads because that fits the MO or that fits the narrative. And they're not even looking for other options. And I just, I don't know. It's just weird.

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You're right. You're right. Those are the two things I forget. When I get caught up, that's what documentaries and like these articles do though. Like especially like the, the emotional documentaries, they're, they're meant to provoke emotion. Right? So like I forget about those details when they're like, okay, here is the reasonable doubt.

I'm like, okay, maybe he didn't do it, but you're right. That's the detail that I would never, I'm not doing that. If I was innocent, you're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You know, just like let the system do, if I was not guilty of something and I was being accused of something, I certainly at that point wouldn't go and bleach my black hair blonde with an at home dye kit, take $10,000, my brother's passport, not even my own passport, and enter another country. No, you look guilty as hell. And it's because you are.

The reminders of him, the book I read was like that. There was a couple and the woman in the couple, they were drunk driving and she kills boyfriend and she flees the scene because she thinks he's already dead, but she wasn't thinking straight and she was scared. Eventually she serves her time in prison and then she comes to terms with the fact that the whole time she felt guilty, she felt bad, but she finally is like, I fucked up and I shouldn't have done that and it was not good circumstances, she like comes to terms with it. I don't know. I just, I Kristen in the chat really quick, just tell me, just type guilty or reasonable doubt.

Tell me what you think. Reasonable. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So I'm not crazy. I'm not, I'm not crazy. She said reasonable doubt. Kristen says, and Kristen is the most logical thinker that I know. She is the most logical. Well, listen, here's the thing. By law, he could potentially- Win the appeals. Win the appeal. Agree. Because of a technicality, in my opinion.

Yes, I would. But do I think that that makes him innocent? No, I think that makes him smart to know how to work the system at this point. Right. And I think that's what Kristen's saying too is like, we're not saying he's right. And I think maybe that's where I'm like, there's a fine line between like there's reasonable doubt he may not have done it, but I'm not saying that he didn't do it. I just think that there's reasonable doubt. And I think that there's a lot of people that can use the system to their benefit if

they have smart enough attorneys and they look at the evidence, they can kind of like pick apart certain pieces of it to say, hey, there's reasonable doubt right here. And because of that, whether he did it or not, by law, you can't convict. That's what should have happened to begin with. Because if you don't convict someone like OJ Simpson and fucking Casey Anthony, same thing goes for Scott Peterson. Well Kristen said there were people that were not interviewed that claimed that they saw Lacey and she said police, in my opinion, did not turn over every stone therefore creating reasonable doubt so like

They want to so bad very well could be true, but I don't think that that changes The fact that he did it fair You know there Um, I have been watching This boston marathon documentary. I saw that you've seen this awesome marathon documentary. I saw that. Have you seen American Man Hunt? I saw that it was like an option, but I did not watch it yet.

So watch it for next week. I just got through the first episode. And when I tell you the anxiety that I had watching that first episode and thinking about like parades and like concerts and like large crowds of people and the thoughts of not really knowing what could possibly happen. It gives me anxiety but at the same time, probably like 10 years ago, I probably would have been less likely to continue living life as a normal person and be like, I'm never going to a parade. I'm never going to a concert, whatever. But now I'm like, how do you control at this point? Like, do you just like pray and hope nothing happens?

I would say that I have more anxiety now about going in public places than I did when all of the bombings and like the, I'm not saying that the shootings don't occur now, but when they were happening sort of back to back, maybe because I was younger so I was, I felt invincible, but now 32 years old, have lots of kids. Every single time I go, I was scared this year for the Superbowl. Like that was something that I was like, okay, this is a big deal. Like there's not just Taylor Swift, but it's like, you know, Taylor Swift fans, football fans, like these like mass cult followers of, you know, Taylor Swift, the football, the just all of that. And then Kim Kardashian and Odell Beckham Jr. like, it just is so terrifying when I took my kids to a concert. That is scary when there are very high profile people that-

Attract all of that. Yes. Or people who have so many fans, but so many haters also. It makes you afraid that somebody might target a situation like this. But I couldn't remember. I remember when the Boston Marathon bombing happened, but I couldn't remember all of the details. And I feel like it did a really good job. And again, I've only watched the first episode, but I felt like it did a really good job covering all of it. I really liked the way that they did the documentary. They used freaking pressure cooker bombs. I know. I remember. I remember when that happened, Lindsey,

looking at because it was two men, right? Yeah, one. I think he was like late teens, early 20s. Yeah, he wasn't. He was very young. When that happened. I remember looking at him on the screens and being like, even though he's a male, but I just I looked at him and I was like, he could be one of my peers. Like I remember specifically thinking like, he's just like the rest of, you know, people our age walking the streets. And it's just, I could not wrap my mind around it at that time. And I still can't and are they in prison? Like are they like, are they locked up? I haven't, I haven't watched past the first first episode and I'm going to try to finish it tonight.

But what was so scary to me was in the way that they did the documentary, they did it by time stamps of the hours of the investigation. From the time that the bombing happened, they went before it happened, when it happened, minutes after it happened, with President Obama coming into town, doing a press conference. It was just very, very well done and really gave you a greater insight of what was going on by the hour during that time. But when they showed the video of these guys, Kale, they looked just like normal people in the crowd. You would have never suspected anything. The only thing that was suspect was the fact that they were carrying backpacks, but they

were in Boston. I feel like that would be a common thing that anybody could do. And the fact that there were so many cameras around because the news was out there, obviously filming the Boston Marathon. People were taking photos. There was so much evidence that they had that they had to piece together for the investigation. And they were talking about how it was really hard to identify these guys and had if technology had been better sooner, then they would have been able to identify them earlier. But they really had only had like the side profile of this guy wearing a white hat. Like it was not like very, obviously they had zoned in, they saw that he had the

backpack on, that he was accompanied with another guy from taking all of the surveillance footage from all of these different businesses. But I think that the scariest part to me was they could not tell the general public that everyone was safe. So I looked it up because I wanted to know what was what. They were brothers, 19 and 26, and one of them ended up dying from the police shootout and the other one is still in prison. And I believe it's the younger one that is still in prison. I'm pretty sure the police shootout situation is where the first episode ends, where the next one will begin.

So if you guys have not watched and you're interested, highly recommend. It makes me sick because they're literally, they could have been, like we had just graduated high school, I had just graduated high school. But did they ever say like what the motive was for it? I was having a conversation with somebody last night who was watching this with me. And he was like, I couldn't imagine just going into a crowd of random people and choosing to do something that heinous. Like what? I don't know. I'm looking at it right now. Motives and background, they were extremists in their beliefs, whatever they were believing at the time, they were extremists.

It said that they were not connected to any known terrorist groups, but they were just extremists I guess. That's just insane because it was a whole terrorism investigation. Yeah, they did do that. And rightfully so, they needed to do that. Let's talk about our favorite. I was about to say, let's talk about Rocket Money. Let's talk about it because as you heard, I am saving for a new build and Rocket Money helped me save for the house I made now. It helped me save for my pool. And if

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Yeah. Well, you can't get $1 hot dogs anymore because adults can't behave themselves. So I- Wait, what? Yeah, like the adults literally cannot behave themselves. They're like children. And so they, Philadelphia Phillies, Philadelphia Phillies eliminate $1 hot dogs

because of rowdy sports fans. So this is a punishment. This is a punishment. So you're telling me that sports fans cannot behave themselves so everyone has to be punished. Correct. It's kind of like in the classroom when we tell kindergartners, like, if you guys don't stop talking, we're not having the movie day or whatever. You know what I mean?

Like we're adults. Okay. But that leads me to my next question. Do you believe in punishment for everybody in a situation like that? Or do you think it's very unfair for rule followers to have to be punished because someone else in the class that they're not responsible for did something that they're not responsible for, did something that they were not supposed to do, or the fact that a decent human can't go to a Phillies game and get a $1 hot dog. Well, what I think is sad here is that the kids have to suffer because if a kid goes to a game and they're not the ones that were acting like goddamn fools, that's sad because it's like your kid's first experience or like me, I have seven kids. Imagine me taking seven kids to a Phillies game. I can't spend 10 bucks and grab, you

know, seven hot dogs now. So I'm being punished because adults are probably drunk and acting like absolute chaos. So that sucks. But also I don't know because it's one of those things that like I know in sports big time, especially for my kids, if one person that's constantly talking or you have to run laps or if you're doing this thing, I don't know. So I'm torn on this. I also feel like in sports, it doesn't have to be the whole team. I feel like if one person is fucking up, just have them do pushups, have them run. I don't know. I don't know. I'm torn on that. I feel like if we're just going to go and use the method of natural consequence? I don't know. I don't know. I'm torn on that. I feel like if we're going to natural, if we're just going to go and use the method of natural consequence, to me, it's not a natural consequence for someone else to have

to pay the price for what another person did. But I think sort of because if you're on a team, not specifically for the Phillies hot dog situation, but for a team situation if the same four will say the same three teammates keep fucking off. The natural consequence is that the entire the entire team suffers. So that is true. That is true. So it's almost like so everybody inevitably is suffering because you're fucking around.

So now everybody is going to have the same consequence. Maybe it'll hold the people who are fucking around accountable. When they see that they've let their entire team down, the rest of the team has to suffer because of my actions. So I can get behind that. I think I can too with the right circumstances. Right. But like, I don't think it's fair for everybody to lose like recess at school because two

people in the class were flicking pencils. Correct. I agree with that. You know? Yes. Like, what do we think about actually taking away recess as punishment? No. For kids in school?

No. So, I'm going to tell you a scenario that just happened recently with Jackson and I chose for his recess to be taken. Okay. Because he did not want to complete his assignments and he said he was not going to do it right now. Okay. And the assignment was a mandatory assignment.

Okay. So either he could have brought the assignment home and completed it at home, or he could have completed it in the classroom where it should have been completed and he missed recess. So I said he can miss recess because I feel like that is a bigger punishment. And also as a parent, why is he being punished at home for something that he should have done in school? The punishment should be at school where the assignment needed to be completed, not him coming home to have the option to complete it in his own environment.

His friends had to complete it there. So why does he need to come home and complete it? I don't think there's a right or wrong answer here, actually. I think that your decision and that whole scenario makes sense to me. I also think there are certain kids. I'm going to use one of my kids as an example. There's one of my kids where I don't necessarily think that that would have worked because this one specifically needs to go outside, potentially has ADHD. Jackson as well. He is also that type of kid. But not all kids that have ADHD are the same. So your scenario makes perfect sense to me

for two of my kids that I can think of right off the bat. That would be, I would agree with you 100% for another one of my children. I would 100% say they need to complete it at home. Not, not because of the punishment. And you're right. I do agree with, okay, why are we bringing this home if this is something that happened at school? I 1000% agree with you. I just think for this child that I'm thinking of specifically, he needs to be outside in the middle of the day for 20 minutes. Like there's, I don't think that there would have been a better solution there. But it's hard though, when, because I also know my child needs to be outside for that amount of time,

but as an 11-year-old, you have to start taking responsibility for your own actions. If you're choosing to do something and you know that's what's going to be the consequence, but you still choose to do it, then inevitably you have ruined your own rest of your day. I wonder if by the time my child gets to that age, 11, if things will change where I would feel the same way. Because I also think age is a factor too. Agreed. So I wouldn't have chosen that decision in first grade.

Okay. Okay. Fair. So we're talking about a fourth grader. Agreed. I think so. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. I think it just varies by situation.

But yeah, I agree with your decision. And I think that if it was one of my younger ones, you'd probably be like, okay, that makes sense too. Well, and I just feel like when kids are doing something at school and they're being disruptive to their classroom and disrespectful to their teacher because they're being disruptive, me punishing at home where none of those people exist does not make sense to me. But me punishing you at school for your teacher to be able to see, for you to know that your teacher saw and your friend saw and you guys didn't get to play, I feel like that's going

to set in far more than bringing the assignment home and completing it at home. Yeah, I agree with you. Before we do foul play, I want to ask you, I'm seeing a lot of stuff. There was a video that I wish I could have shown you, but now it's unavailable, so I won't be able to link it. But what are our thoughts on creators that make social media their living and it has the ability to be gone in an instant? Well, they're taking a big risk.

That to me is absolutely terrifying. No one really has true job security at this point in this economy, right? But I think about all of these apps and stuff, and if they just went away and that's how you make all of your money and you've invested like time, money, all your resources into creating this business and then they just have the ability to go away. I don't think that's okay. I don't really know what to say because it's one of those situations where

Is it like just the risk that is it the opportunity risk that you take? I think it's a risk just like everything else in life, right? The sad part is just on one hand, some people are really, they're like, okay, let me do this so I can stay home with my kids, right? It's a risk for the sacrifice, a risk slash sacrifice for the potential benefit. So I understand why they do it. For me, that is terrifying to think about. I thankfully have put myself in a position where I no longer need TV to pay my bills. I also am not needing social media to pay my bills. But just like someone might get up every day and be a mortgage broker, someone might wake up every day and be a TikTok creator. I get it, but it's scary. It's a scary place

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but right now quiet on set is a big deal. It's trending. Okay. Tell me. So originally I didn't truly know what it was about. I thought it was just about like the dark side of Nickelodeon. I did not know how dark it was going to be. I also had seen stuff about Drake Bell previously, you

know, over the years kind of not doing well. And so I was like, I don't, is he coming out just to say like all this shitty stuff about Nickelodeon because he needs to like get his name out there again? I was wrong. That's what I thought was happening. I did not know the extent of what the fuck went on. Lindsay, if you did not finish this, you are going to be horrified. Let's talk about Dan Schneider for a second. That is the writer, creator, producer of a lot of Nickelodeon shows, all that, The Amanda Show, Drake and Josh, I think he was on. I think he was four set of Drake and Josh.

He was the creator of all the shows we watched in our childhood. Correct. Some of the things that they focus on in this docu-series, there's cumshot jokes that are- Wait, what? Yeah. When the kids on these shows are getting squirted in the face, those are cumshot jokes. Those are jokes that he's like, and there's also a scene, I think it's on the Amanda show where Dan Schneider is physically in the hot

tub with Amanda Bynes. There is, yeah, it's disgusting and just racism too. There's a lot of racism in there, but there is one particular, so Drake Bell, is his name Drake Bell? Yeah, Drake. It gets really dark. So like, I thought all that was bad. There was even, he had two women, the only women in the writers for all of production. Dan Schneider makes them split a salary, which is not even legal. So they're the only two female ones. And he is, he has one of them do something very highly inappropriate in the middle of this like meeting or whatever. And like just sexual acts, I guess. Like I don't even know what to call them.

Sexual innuendos. Yeah, I was going to say an innuendo. Like all kinds of things that very hostile work environment. He's very unpredictable. He's very unpredictable. He's very close to these. I did not know that he actually got as close as he did to Amanda Bynes to the point where she wanted to emancipate herself from her parents. And he was helping her.

And it honestly makes you wonder with the situation with Amanda Bynes, if it was the cause of the spiral. I think that that definitely plays a part. But also, when I think it was episode three, they introduced Drake Bell's entire role in everything. I could not have guessed why he was having substance abuse, money issues, all of that. I just thought it was like child star life, all of the things. I feel bad for ever saying anything bad about him. He was sexually assaulted, raped, all the things by one of the producers at Nickelodeon. So we're not just talking about Dan Snyder. There's also two, there was another one that was charged with child pornography and then

Brian Peck was the one who was molesting, raping, doing all of these things to Drake Bell over the course of months and months while he was filming for Nickelodeon. So has there been any charges? He ended up, well, so I ended up only finishing, because it was midnight by the time I was done, I finished episode three. At that point, there were charges, but because Drake was a minor, nobody knew that it was him. So the only person that knew, I guess, was Dan Schneider,

was like, was this you? And he said, he claimed that Dan Schneider had his back. I personally don't know if that's the case, or if it was just trying to get to the bottom of it. So they get to court, he's charged. And Drake said that he had to go into explicit detail of all of the things that were done to him. I mean, sodomize, use objects.

He literally says, picture the worst thing that can be done during a sexual assault and it happened to me. That's absolutely horrible. I'm gonna watch for everybody listening, where can they find it? So I watched Quiet On Set on Max. It's also on Fubo and Philo.

And it just came out, right? Like it's new. Yes, and it's four episodes. Okay, so are you gonna finish the last one and then I'll catch up with the other ones and then we'll recap next week? Yes. Okay, perfect.

And on that note, foul play. Let's see what we got here today. Hey, kitties, last night I went to visit the guy I'm seeing. A little backstory, we both are separated from our spouses this year. So old things, including his mattress, are still hanging around, you know,

trapped energy and such. Wait, is this me writing this? I told him, let's start a horror marathon. Once Texas Chainsaw Massacre was over, we began to get active. A couple of thrusts in, he wants to adjust folding my legs while pushing them into my body. Suddenly tons of air let out. Wait, is this you, Kale? This time it sounds different. At one point, I remember saying, I'm more slippery than usual. I started my birth control recently and the doctor mentioned I might get some spotting initially.

When all is said and done, he gets up to start the shower and I start going through my spend the night bag for body wash and such. I catch a glimpse of the bed and there's just dark splatter all over. But since the lights are off, my mind goes straight to did I just shit in this man's bed? He returned. He returns to the bedroom to ensure I'm okay. Obviously he has not seen the mess yet. I plop right down in the mystery liquid and say, Yeah, just give me a minute. Once he walks away, I frantically grab my phone use the flashlight to verify it was in fact not

shit, but blood. I walk to the bathroom where I'm in disbelief and laughing nervously. At this point, he wants in on the comedy. So I tell him the whole process of elimination that I just went through to solve the mystery liquid case. Needless to say, I am so thankful to be seeing a mature man. We created our own horror movie and got a great laugh. I think my doctor might have undersold the spotting and I unintentionally created a reason to get rid of the marriage mattress. A win is a win. Oh my God. Just because it was so unexpected, I would have been like, what the fuck?

I'm not familiar with birth control. I don't know about spotting or how heavy it makes you bleed in the event that you're on it. I also would have thought I shit myself. We also know that I definitely believe things trap energy, whether that be a bed, a couch, whatever. Multiple parts of this story reminded me of both of us. The trapped energy in the mattress and the farting while having sex. I feel so bad for you, but I'm glad that you found yourself a good man.

I also am glad that you guys probably got a new mattress. Also, I don't know if I can have sex during a scary movie or after a scary movie. I don't feel like I'd be in the mood. Same. I'm like, what the fuck? I am probably about to throw up or about to shit my pants or I immediately think that we need to be protecting ourselves at all costs. Agreed. Agreed. Next foul play. Okay. Dear ladies, I just want to start off by saying I've been a fan since the beginning.

You ladies have helped me get through some hard times over the last few years, and I appreciate this podcast more than words can say. Please keep me anonymous. I have a DNA slash ancestry story for you. My whole childhood, my sister and I, who is five years older, joked that I was adopted because we look nothing alike. She's petite and blonde, and I'm taller and brunette.

She has blue eyes, I have green. This was mostly just to mess with my mom. I don't think any of us truly thought that we weren't fully blooded siblings I look a lot like my mom. Whereas my sister looks like a lot like our dad Well about three years ago, I took an ancestry test nothing really surprising on it But I found out that I was almost 50% Scottish I'd grown up my whole life thinking I was mostly first of all, who is this because this is me

I grew up thinking I was half German, literally 50% German. Anyway, I had grown up my whole life thinking I was mostly German. Again, I didn't think anything of it as these things happen. Well, about six months later, my sister decided to take an Ancestry DNA test. And this morning she got her results and called me at 6 a.m. My sister is never awake before 9 a.m. She's in a panic, tells me to pull up my Ancestry, and lo and behold, we are only half sibling. To say that I was shocked was an understatement. We started calling my mom in a panic, trying to get some

answers. She finally answers the phone upset saying she honestly never thought I wasn't my dad's kid. But before I was born, she did have a one night stand with a coworker. My mom's defense, my dad is an asshole. I love him. He's a good dad, but wasn't great to my mom. And at this point they had been divorced for almost 20 years. I was 10, my sister 15 when they divorced. My sister was freaking out. And if I'm being honest, a total bitch. If anyone should be upset, it would be me. I'm a firm believer that blood means nothing.

My dad raised me for 30 years at that point. He was my dad regardless. We have sworn ourselves to secrecy on this. Only the three of us, plus our husbands, sister and I, plan to never speak a word of this to my dad or for the sole fact that to me it doesn't matter he's still my dad and also I know the shit storm that this would cause my dad can be a petty asshole what he wants to be and he never let my mom live this down we were able to get together as a family with my mom and dad stepmom all the kids I have three sister

has two it's just not worth the problems that would cause if we told the truth. I don't look at my mom any different. She's still my best friend. And if I'm being honest, I don't blame her for having an affair. My dad wasn't a good husband. He was controlling and just mean sometimes. My mom and sister don't understand why I'm not even a little bit curious as to who my real dad is. I just don't care. I have my dad. And even if DNA says otherwise, he's still my dad. I told my mom, I want to know nothing, his name, what he looks like, nothing. All she said was, I do look like him.

Some differences between my sister and I personally, personality wise, makes sense now. My mom has spent the last several years feeling guilty for this, for not knowing, for having the affair, for putting me in this position, but I'm not upset, hurt, or anything. Do you all think I'm crazy for not being bothered? I also feel like it comes from protection for my mom. I don't want her to deal with the hell storm it would cause. I've spent

my whole life protecting her. My dad left her in a terrible position when they got divorced. Things shut off and he didn't have to pay child support in exchange for us not having to go over to his house on a schedule. I really just want to know if you guys think I'm crazy for keeping this a secret and also not wanting to know anything. Love you guys and keep being you. Okay, I'm conflicted because I just met someone last week that is adopted and she and both of her sister are adopted from another country from different families.

And she was telling me that she could find out who her parents are because she has like a photo of them and whatever. She does have information, but she has no desire to have anything to do with them because she feels like her parents were good parents and that that's always going to be her parents. So it seems like this girl feels that exact same way. I just feel like curiosity would kill me at that point and I would just have to know. For me, I wanted to know my dad. I wanted to know who he was. I wanted to make those decisions

myself. I wanted to, I think my circumstances were different. I also really wanted to know my sister. I don't think that she's crazy for not wanting to know. I don't think that it's wrong for her to not want to know. If that's how she feels, why even question it? You don't need to know if you don't want to know. That's it. That's okay. Don't feel bad for it. Don't make anyone feel guilty because if their curiosity is what is wanting you to ask, that's also not fair.

Yes, you're protecting your mom and that's your sister, but at the end of the day, do not let their curiosity about who your dad is. Also, I just have to say this, as a mom of seven children with four dads, I would know if one of the kids wasn't one of the dads. Does that make sense? Yeah, but explain it more for those that will not make sense too. Knowing, okay, I have one child with Joe, one child with hobby, two children with Chris, three children with Elijah. I would 1000% know if I put myself in a position to have gotten pregnant by someone other than my partner

at the time, I would know if that child, because even if I didn't know while I was pregnant, I would know when that child came out. Because when I tell you the mannerisms of specifically Isaac Lincoln and Lux, I mean, it's just for Isaac, he does this very specific eyebrow raise that is Joe through and through. He does this thing when he's eating. He does this when he's eating sometimes that Joe does. So if he didn't look like him already, the mirror, Isaac Lincoln stands with his hands on his hips just like hobby.

And there are just certain things and I'm not saying it's like, you know what I mean? Yeah, I would know. Lux laughed yesterday in the car. I happened to turn and look at him the way that he laughed. Just the look on his face. I don't know if it was the mannerisms. Look, I said that is Chris. was the mannerisms look, I said, that is Chris.

If he didn't already look like Chris, that laugh and that glimpse that I got was Chris. I would know. Even the twins and Rio, to me, I can't tell who they look like yet. Sometimes I see Elijah, sometimes I'm like, you don't look like anybody. But Rio's expressions, I'm like, oh, that's Elijah through and through. I would know who their dad is. That's what's so interesting to me about this story. I don't want to call the mom out. Right. And that's like, she's protecting her mom. She loves her mom. I'm not trying to

make a dig at her mom, but I think her mom probably knew and didn't say anything. Correct. That's the feeling I get. And she'll never admit that she had an inkling. She'll never admit that. That's something that she wasn't… Yeah. No. I think that she probably knew. And if she said, you look like him and the personality stuff makes sense, you think that

after all of these years, she never thought about that? If you have an affair and then you end up… You questioned that at some point. Right? Yeah. 100%. 100%. I would love to know what the rest of you guys think, but it is time for us to go and do other bullshit. So thank you for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple podcast app, follow and read on Spotify or listen wherever you get your podcasts. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us and our community.

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