Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Rewarding Kids, Monster-In-Laws & Big Age Differences

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

Kail and Lindsie talk about potentially doing reality TV again but with some caveats. Do any parents reward their kids money for getting good grades? Kail explains how it could work with some of her kids and Lindsie doesn't believe Jackson would care in the long run. A reddit story about a groom kicking out his mom from his wedding for bringing his ex as her plus one has us gasping at the audacity. News of a teacher getting arrested for having a relationship with their 12 year old student reminds Lindsie of her mother's age difference with her current husband and leads to the question of what age difference would they be okay with (INVOLVING ADULTS). Thank you to our sponsor! Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first month. Kiwico: Get 50% off your first crate at kiwico.com, promo code COFFEE

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you. This is coffee convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kailin Lindsay. I just realized how fucking crazy my hair looked with I haven't washed it. It's like time. I'm due. Good morning. Good morning. Happy coffee combos. I have a couple things I need to ask you like it's a poll. Okay. Number one. Oh shit. Why is my camera not on? Hi. Welcome back. Welcome back.

Good morning. Okay, this is the poll. Favorite Gatorade. I hate Gatorade. What? I don't like Gatorade. Since when? Ever.

Like, are you a Powerade person? Like, what are you? None. Who are you? I don't like any of it. I don't like Gatorade. I don't like Powerade. You don't like any of it. I don't like Gatorade. I don't like power.

You don't like any of these drinks? I mean, I'll drink like liquid IV. Ice cold though. It has to be ice, ice cold. I like liquid IV too, but I always do that on ice. But like I'm a huge Gatorade drinker. Like I buy multiple things of Gatorade weekly because we're always running. But like what do you like about it? Because I don't think it tastes good.

It's so refreshing. I only do Gatorade zeros though. And Jackson and I have started drinking the lime cucumber flavor. You can't find it everywhere. But when they have, I find it at Target, one of my local grocery stores has it. Never seen it at the gas station. It's the best one. It's so refreshing. It basically tastes like what it would feel like if you had cucumbers on your eyeballs. There's just it always makes me feel thirstier than I am like it doesn't ever quench the thirst for me. Would you rather drink water or an electrolyte strength?

Water. Okay, I'm an electrolyte drinker. I don't like Powerade. You're a junkie, an electrolyte junkie. Will always buys Jackson the knockoff brand of Gatorade or Powerade. It's like whatever they have at Sam's. I think it's like Member's Mark or a Costco brand

and Jackson absolutely hates it. So when he comes to my house, it's like he raged through the Gatorade in the first 24 hours. Do you like Prime? Jackson loves Prime. I'm not a Prime drinker though. I like Prime with, when it's half cut with water.

So like pour half, don't like get rid of it. Don't dump it down the sink, but like put it in some sort of like container and put water in it. And I like it like that. That's like one that I could do. Okay. My next question is what are we all using for, it's that time of the year where we're all getting really dry. I feel like what are we using for face moisturizer? Face moisturizer, I really love if you're looking for a more affordable option to like the Peter Thomas Roth, which I absolutely love.

I really, really love the Neutrogena Hydro Boost line. That entire line is so good. I also love Peter Thomas Roth. It's obviously a little bit more pricey. And then I love my Zio skincare. That's like my, if you're looking for like clinical grade. Okay, so I kind of forgot about Zio skincare, but Kristin and I were talking about it not

too long ago and I need to reorder it because that truly is like my favorite skincare. It is expensive, but it is really good. And my, my face always feels the best whenever I use that. But I, I bought this because I saw it, I was influenced from TikTok. And this is what I've been using and it's really good. It's really affordable. I think this was like $19 at Target. It doesn't have a scent.

Do you use anything that's like a scented, anything on your face? No, I don't use anything scented on my face. I don't, no, absolutely not. I don't either. I also feel like I'm getting sick after Jackson's sickness. I feel like it's caught up with me. Why does that always happen? Like your kids get sick and you get you get sick a week later. Yeah, that's why you got to stock up on airborne. I know they have gummies, but I do the seltzer looking tablets. Oh, Kristen

and I are on the gummies. Like when we were on tour, we were popping them like we shouldn't have been. So we're like, this is it. This is we are junkies for electrolyte drinks and airborne vitamin C. I just can't believe it really devastates me that you don't like Gatorade. Yeah, it's just I'm not a Gatorade girly. I'm not I'm not an electrolyte girly. I do. I like to get people are gonna think I'm crazy when I say this, but I like to do the IVs. So

like I call local nurses, people are gonna think I'm crazy when I say this, but I like to do the IVs. So like I call local nurses, sometimes they have like IV docs and I do like an electrolyte drip. You saw me do it in New York. I just will come stick an IV in me and drip some bags into me and call it a day. You know, there is truly nothing better than the feeling when you're pregnant and you go in for labor and delivery and you

get hooked up to what is it like the fluids or whatever? What do they call that? Yeah, the IV drip. Yeah, like, there's no better feeling than that. Do you know that when I had Lux, they never even I never got hooked up to the IV? How? It got everything happened so fast that they literally never got he came out when I was giving birth and I got to the hospital and I signed my paperwork got into the bed and he came out before they ever put me got the IV like they didn't even I don't even think they had the things there. So I never was hooked up to the IV drip until after I gave birth. Is that dangerous? Not necessarily.

I think the one thing that they were concerned about was because it all happened so fast, they didn't even have my records pulled up. So they didn't know if I had tested positive or negative for strep B. So I think that, and normally they like to start the IV drip for antibiotics in the event that you test positive or whatever.

I think that was the bigger thing that they were concerned about because I didn't have an IV obviously for Creed because he was a home birth. So I didn't need it. Wait, so even at a home birth, they don't do hookups? I mean, I can't speak for every home birth there. It's possible that they can if you need it, but I didn't have one when I had my home birth. Okay, when I gave birth, which was obviously only one time, I better be hooked up to everything there better be drugs that are flowing through and also people who have babies

without an epidural like your superheroes because absolutely the fuck not. It's not as crazy as you think like Like it's truly to be fair, I was in the best shape of my life when I had Lux. And so it was 90 minutes flat from the time my water broke till birth. And that included the drive to the hospital. So I don't, there was no hooking up, like there was not even time for it. But I think all any any type of birth is superhero because men could never even if they could

physically have the capability like if they had the capability of giving birth, they would not be able to do it. Have you ever known a man that's had a kidney stone and they're like, this is gonna be so bad when it comes out of the head of my dick. And it's like, sir, suck it up. It's that big. Like, it's that big. And our vagina gets this big. I don't even know what mine looked like. I never realized

what one looked like until I watched a birth after the fact that I gave birth. That's traumatizing. Could you? I don't think I could watch in real life in the same room as someone giving birth. Like I don't think I could watch in real life in the same room as someone giving birth. Like I don't think I can watch it. I would get, I would pass out and it would be about me at that point. So I just don't think I could watch it on TV. And like I've watched my own birth videos back.

I don't think I could watch somebody else's in real life. Wait, do you remember that show like way back when where it was like, I didn't know I was pregnant or something. And it was like girls dropping babies out in their bathrooms. Yes. I remember what was that show? I didn't know I was pregnant or something like that. I could not imagine.

How do you not know though? Well, I think there's such thing as called a cryptic pregnancy where you don't look pregnant and maybe the baby doesn't move a lot. I'll say this, if there is anyone who, when I was pregnant with the twins, Valley never moved. The position that she was in, if she moved, I didn't feel it. I think that's a better way to say it was anterior placenta. If she moved, I didn't feel it. I knew verse was always moving because where he was positioned in my belly, I knew it was always him. I will say that if someone was to have a singleton pregnancy, the same way that value was, I could see how someone wouldn't know. So I've always convinced myself, I want to look up like old episodes of that and like rewatch it.

I was obsessed with watching that. I always thought these people were liars. Like they were just like trying to hide it from their parents or something like that. And it was just a national bamboozle. 100%. And I think, I mean, we what we know about people in reality TV, it's very possible that they said they didn't know what they did. So I think that there's always the possibility of that. But I do think that there are people who genuinely don't know. I can't wrap my

head around that because all the times I've been pregnant, I had a feeling before I even knew I was pregnant or I you just feel different sometimes. So I will say, I think they're fewer and far between then. You know what's really interesting to me, and it's some of the most favorite things that I see on social media and it's mainly from bloggers. If I'm an active laborer, I'm not thinking about setting up my phone on a tripod to like get video of this. What's going through somebody's mind and an active laborer, oh, let me set up my tripod. Like is someone helping them

or are they doing it? Like what, what's happening? So because it was during COVID when I had Creed and I was still on Team Mom, they were wanting me to film everything to for the show. And it was very difficult. I mean, just vlogging in general on a regular day is way harder than I think anyone understands. I've tried it. I've done it. It's way harder than you think. And you I've tried it. I've done it. It's way harder than you think. And you always miss that naturally funny parts. But when it comes to labor, I mean, I was wanting to document it, but at some point you just can't and someone else

has to do it for you. So did you do it for yourself? What did that look like? Was there a tripod situation? No, it was before my era. It was before the era of tripods in my life. I just basically was like, just woke up, it's five something, I know I'm in labor, blah, blah, blah. And then maybe like an hour or two later, it's like, okay, it's this time, I'm still in labor, contractions are X amount apart until I couldn't think about that anymore. And then I think at that point, I want to say no, I don't think anyone took over until I was actually giving birth. Don't you think that reality shows would be so much better though, if there was a lack

of film crew and it was just like a post-production situation where you were kind of like vlogging your own stuff, like day in the life versus setups her cams. I wish there was a world because I had always said that to the producers of Teen Mom. I said, you guys should leave cameras running on a regular basis. But that also costs money. And I think for budgeting purposes, they weren't able to do that. But I had said, like, you will get way more for your buck if you end up doing like a 24 hour situation, even for short periods of time, like a couple days at a time, because my kids say the funniest shit all the time when the cameras are not

rolling. And what did the other day Lux looks at me, and he goes, I think that goat has ADHD. And I was like, Lux, like what is going on? And then yesterday, I had taken the kids to eat and we go to the bathroom and Creed goes, Creed's for for those of you guys listening, don't mix up the kids ages because this is important. I do talk to my kids about periods and Creed goes, so why do you always bleed out of your butt? And in the bathroom while

other people were in there and I was like, oh my God, if there was just like flies on the wall as cameras would be way better than like a film crew. So I always said with Chrisley knows best, I said this show would be so much better. And I used to talk to my dad about it all the time. I'm like, if there was less, and we know that I'm a scheduler

and like type A about working situations. I guess I'm type A in like specific situations but not generally type A personality. I love the fact that there was a schedule, I guess but I hate the fact that everything seemed so, like cameras are showing up at this time. So you already know what's transpiring like this is family dinner or whatever scene that it is that's being shot. And so I always had an

issue with him saying, okay, this is unscripted. It's scripted to some degree because you have a schedule and you know exactly what you're going to be doing and what you're going to be filming. So if it was more, I guess, vlog day in the life stuff, I just feel like it would have been so much better. But also, you've got to consider like for you, it would be easier for you to do that. Because it's just you and your kids like your family. At the point that we were filming Chris Lee knows best everybody kind of lived like separate lives.

So I think that's probably why there was a necessity for that many cams. I just think reality TV in itself, I absolutely hate it now that I don't do it anymore. Like I don't wanna watch it. I don't like nothing about it interests me. It's like, you know too much. I think there's still a way to do it. That's fine.

It's just keeping it more of a docu series than necessarily reality TV, because it could be reality and also produced at the same time. And I think that's the difference is like docu series is actually the reality part that we that Teen Mom started as I haven't seen it in years. So I can't speak on where it is now. But it was like the real time real was not heavily produced at all. It was like, okay, you had this doctor appointment, please talk about it sort of deal. So to me, that's not necessarily produced or scripted, but it is like real situations, but have the conversations about these

events on camera, where there is reality TV, that is so heavily produced. And to me, I don't have any interest in that. I wanna see the more docu-series, less produced groundbreaking stuff, or if it's meant to be funny, I don't know. I have mixed feelings on it. And I definitely would do reality TV again, I think,

but it would have to be the right fit and it would have to be the right structure because there are different types of reality TV, as you know. Like you would want it to be the right structure because there are different types of reality TV as you know. Like you would want it to be docu series style, not, Hey, we're showing up with cams and today it's storyline A and we're doing storyline B. Right. Like I would want it to be more so like, so when Teen Mom was going on, you would send them in the beginning, you'd send them the stuff that you had going on and they would come film specific things based on what you

have going on, not creating storylines for you. And towards the end, I think things started to change, obviously, so they had to put more emphasis on things or they really wanted, I mean, from the beginning, they wanted to focus very much on very specific things and didn't necessarily pay mind to the other stuff. I think I've been consistent in my thoughts on that, but just sort of creating the storylines or showing the arcs that are real life things, not produced things. I wholeheartedly agree. Should we do reality TV?

We should do reality TV but it would have to be... Is that what we're saying? Yeah, maybe. I think so. Okay, so I want to try to get through some of these listener topics so that we don't get behind and piss people off. Okay. I feel like we've talked about this a little bit before. What are your thoughts on paying kids to get good grades? And I'm a hypocrite, because I feel like I said that I wouldn't do it. And then I did it last week. I don't know. I feel like I've gone back and forth on this the

same way. Oh, actually, that's so crazy that you brought this up. Okay, because I do go back and forth with this. I think I don't have like a set. It's sort of like I changed my mind, like I changed my underwear. Please don't come for me when I say this, because I'm not comparing dogs to children, right? I'm just trying to ask and prove a point. Different dog breeds based on their breed, demeanor, raising nature versus nurture, all the things they are motivated by different things.

Some dogs are walk motivated, some dogs are treat motivated, some dogs are toy motivated. Are kids the same way? And I asked one of my girlfriends that over the weekend and I said, like, hey, like, I know this sounds crazy and I'm not trying to compare dogs to kids, but I sort of am, because I do feel like different kids,

depending on so many fucking factors, are motivated so differently, right? Like I have one child that can be motivated by like, if I'm like, okay, you'll get this toy if you do this, like I don't want to call it bribery because I don't necessarily think it's bribery for him. But for another child, if I was to operate the same way, it would be bribery, right? Where Isaac more so now, and he has not always been this way, Isaac now is very much motivated

by the results of something. So if he gets a good result himself and it feels good, what do they call that? Like intrinsic rewards, he feels good by that. I don't have to motivate him in any way. He knows if he's gonna feel good at the end of it, studying, whatever it may be, he's gonna do it. Same for like hitting goals and like his savings goals and you know,

things like that. He's very motivated in that way. Lincoln is motivated by sports, he will work towards or do anything regarding sports in the best and more like leadership. I don't know how to explain it. Lux, I haven't figured him out quite yet. Creed is my will do anything for a sonic toy. Like, you want him to scrub the toilets with a toothbrush, he'll do it if that means there's a sonic toy. You want him to play a soccer game?

I think that's his age though, too. Okay, fair, fair, fair, fair. That's fair. So I just I wonder if certain kids can be motivated by money for grades and maybe that doesn't work for other kids, right? Like I don't necessarily think that Lincoln or Lux would be motivated for money for their grades. Like they, they both get pretty good marks, but I don't think that I could motivate them with money. Isaac, on the other hand, could be swayed by money for grades. Creed, I'm not really sure yet, obviously, because he's four. What about Jackson? Do you think Jackson would be motivated by money for grades? We're still trying to figure that out. He probably got his best report card that he's

ever gotten in this past nine weeks. And so it was like in our group chat, Will was like, I'm going to give you $50 for these grades. And I was like, cool, I'll match the $50. So he got $100. He wants to buy a new baseball bat. So he wants to save for said baseball bat. Okay. Do I think that he really cares

that he got good grades to get the money though, because he doesn't really care about his grades? No. And do I think that he would do something else to be able to raise the money for the baseball bat other than grades? Yes. I feel like he's excited because he has the money

in his wallet, but at the same time, he doesn't really care. I haven't found what necessarily motivates him. Actually, negative consequences are more of a motivation for him to do the right thing than a positive- Reinforcement. Reinforcement, yeah. Which is so interesting.

Like if he loses something, like for example, this is an actual situation that happened over the weekend. So I've told him a million times, other moms that are listening to this or the one dad that listens, you're going to understand the level of frustration. I was never growing up allowed to take food or drinks upstairs. Like that was never a thing. Not even water. Jackson has always been able to have water by his bed from

the time he started sleeping in his own bed. I don't mind that. What I do mind is when I tell you don't take Gatorades upstairs, be playing your video game and you get so excited that Clemson wins on college football, whatever, that the Gatorade now gets knocked over and it's completely spilled because you're sitting with it with the lid off. Now I have to clean it up. He knew two days before I told him not to take anything upstairs that he should not have anything upstairs.

So instead of coming to get me when he made the mistake, he tried to clean it up with a blanket. So now you've made a bigger mess for me to clean up. You trying to clean up your mess made a bigger mess. So he was on his phone whenever I found it and I said, give me your phone. You don't have it for the rest of the week. Well, why couldn't I have my phone? Well, why couldn't you listen? See how that works? You know, like when you don't

listen, you you lose something. And that works. Bet you I won't find another drink upstairs. What's so interesting about that is I do think what you said earlier about age having to some having something to do with it. That's the age that Jackson is at now. That's how Isaac was. And he's not like that anymore. So I do think stuff Yeah, which is when I tell you, when he grew out of that phase, the relief that I felt as because I was scared, like I was like, and I was doing that that sort of thing and like covering it up. And I was like, am I raising a psychopath? Like am I, covering it up. And I was like, am I raising a psychopath?

Like am I, I was terrified. And I mean, Isaac laugh about it now because we talk about it. And he's like, I don't know why I did that. Like, I don't know why I did those things. But then like to your point about Creed and the age and being motivated by toys and stuff, Lincoln and Lux are into the age where like, they can be motivated by, I don't know. It's so interesting. I don't know. I don't think I truly don't believe that Lux would give a shit if I was like, here, I'll offer you 50 bucks if you get good grades. Like, I just don't think he would care. But like what goes through kids minds, when they do something

that they know, it's an indication that they know that they're not supposed to be doing it by trying to cover it up, right? So it's like, you do understand when you catch them doing something they're not supposed to be doing, that they're aware that they're not supposed to be doing it because of the cover up.

At what point in your mind did you spill an entire Gatorade all over everywhere and decide to use a Barefoot dreams blanket to clean it up. But did I do that type of lying when I was a kid, I lied about dumb shit like putting on a performance on top of my garage like I was like organizing this like performance we're going to perform in front of our friends and family like on top of my garage. I wasn't lying about stuff like that. I don't is it a

boy thing? Is that weird to say is that because that's literally what Isaac would do. Lincoln never went through that. Thank God. But Isaac did. So I don't know what that is. And like, will called me. This has been a while ago. He called me and he was like, on FaceTime. He's opening up the bottom of Jackson's cabinet and there are a waffle, like those little mini waffle makers, like the little tiny ones underneath there. What the fuck was he doing in his bedroom that he needed to hide that mini waffle maker? Like, what was he making?

Maybe he broke it and he was like concerned about someone finding out. Like maybe he broke it? I asked Will, I was like, did you find any batter? Like why was just the waffle maker under there? And he's like, I don't know. What? Yeah.

And it'll just be like random sneaky stuff, like, and he doesn't sneak snacks and stuff at my house, but he'll do that at wills and he'll find them like either under his bed, like, in his toothbrush drawer, there'll be like a crumpled up package of veggie straws or the paper that comes off of like a long fruit roll up. Instead of just throwing it away? I'm like, what?

Instead of just throwing it away? Yeah. I'm like, it took you more effort trying to find a hiding spot than just throwing it away. But is it laziness or what is it? This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. We've talked about needing therapy on these last couple of episodes. So if you guys are thinking about giving therapy a try, consider BetterHelp as a great option.

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problem I'm trying to connect the dots. Okay. So I have an Ilani can with a tiny bit of Ilani in it, right? Say I knock it over and it spills. I was diagnosed with ADHD about three years ago, maybe longer, I don't even know anymore. I'll look at the mess and not clean it up. Wait, what? Yeah. Wait, back up. I have ADHD too, but I don't think that's a sign. When I tell you my executive dysfunction is because I know other people that have, I know other adults that have ADHD. I also know other children that have ADHD that do not have the level.

I'm not saying that I'm like a special case or anything like that. I think that it's just gone too far. My executive dysfunction is to the point that I was just eating the taco. Say my dog knocked over the plate and the taco went on the floor. I'll let it sit there and I won't clean it up. What? I don't necessarily think that it fits into the category of like lying or like lazy. I think it's, I don't know how to describe to you what I'm trying to, I could not tell you what would motivate me. I would say my OCD tendencies with coping, which I did. Like my psychologist told me that I have that. That is a real thing. And after four and a half years of sessions, I have OCD tendencies with coping. So it would take something happening

where I feel like a loss of control for me to finally clean it up. Okay. So for example, you're laying in your living room on your couch watching Netflix and there is a bag of popcorn that is there and you spill it. You're not going to immediately start like picking that up, like pause Netflix, immediately start picking that up, throw it Netflix, immediately start picking that up, throw it away, get back to Netflix. That scenario I might, that scenario I might. But like knocking over an Elani can

and then just leaving it there and then going about your day, like how do you not sit and think about the Elani that you spilled that you didn't clean up? No, but that's part of the problem is that I will and I will stew on it and it'll make me crazy. But the executive dysfunction of not like picking up a fucking napkin, going to the kitchen, getting the cleaning supplies, quickly wiping it up. I have such a fucking problem with that. Truly cannot. Like, it makes me crazy. And so that's why I told Kristen literally a couple weeks ago, I

said, when we get back and tour dates are done, I said, I have to get medicated. I said, it's taking over my life. Because I know that I just spilled this. And I know that I'm going to stew on this all day. And I'm still not going to be able to clean it up. So I will tell her I spilled this, can you go clean it up? What? And then he, I spilled this, can you go clean it up? What? And then he wants to rip my head off

because he doesn't, he's not my maid. Yeah, but I don't think it's that. I don't think it's that. Jackson, to your point, what you're saying, he has been in the kitchen and spilled something and will stand there and look at it. And I'm like, hey This is the time where you go to the paper towels and there's cleaning supplies right there

Like I'm not gonna do it Maybe he doesn't have ADHD But maybe he has executive dysfunction because I don't think that they I don't think you have to have one to have the other I think that it's just something that some people struggle with. I don't know I just know that it's something that I have and I struggle with a lot. But it has gotten worse over the years. So I'll say that. I don't know if that's part of ADHD in adults. I'm not entirely sure. I would have to check with my doctor, but I do plan on getting medicated before the year is over. I'm so proud of you. The next person says, how many nights a week are we making dinner?

I make dinner seven nights a week and I'm so over it. Okay, well, I'm here to tell you if I was making dinner seven nights a week, I would also be so over it. I'm absolutely not making dinner seven nights. I think at this point we make dinner about four nights a week. I feel like I'm not a good one to ask because I make things that are so simple that it's not really a task if that makes sense.

Like I'm good with making myself a salad and then if Jackson wants like dino nuggets or something like that. The rice-a-roni cheesy rice he's obsessed with like macaroni and cheese pasta, something like that. I don't really consider that when I think of someone making dinner, I think of like a full blown like I'm in the kitchen for a long time. So I when I say we're making dinner four nights a week, I'm talking about last night, Elijah made tacos that's going to last us last night and tonight. We also still might have the other night we had chicken stuffed with mofongo, which is Puerto Rican

food. And then it was wrapped in bacon with rice and beans. That also lasted us two days. So we're having meals that are lasting us at least two nights. So sometimes we might have a fifth day and then we'll just do like take out the other two nights. But I think that that might be a better solution, like trying to make double whatever you're making. So it lasts two nights. And I don't know how often people like I'll eat leftovers probably for like the night that I make it and then I could possibly do like two days after but by the third day, throw it out. That's

that's where I am comfortable at this point for my family. For me personally, I'll eat something that's been out for fucking a week. You guys already know that. We know. Kale would go out for a week. Yeah, like if you guys because I also don't like cooking. Elijah is the the chef of the family and he'll cook but I we try to do things that are going to be leftovers or even even a part of

the meal can be used the next night. So if we do, I'll say, Oh God, we'll say rice and beans and chicken is tonight. And then we could do rice and beans with something else tomorrow. You know what I mean? We're like part of it can even be reused. You're not making the whole meal because I also hate that. It's such a pain in the ass. I have when I'm in my, I guess like homemaker phase, which I hope once my house is like all fully put together that I can get back there because it's truly like a place that makes me happy. I will do like extra amount of taco meat or something and we might have

tacos on shelves one night and then the next night we might do like a make your own taco bowl with like chips and whatever. So it's like the same thing, but different. I'm not the best person to ask because I feel like it's way harder to cook now that it's only Jackson and I, I feel like so much gets wasted and I hate to waste. Like I absolutely hate it. So I find

myself being a short order cook where I'm fixing something that I like and then something that he likes. Yeah, I would agree. I don't see when it was just me and one or two of the kids. I also didn't mind because my kids really love dino nuggets. We asked the kids last night what they wanted for dinner and they were like dino nuggets. It's like, you know, I think there's a way to do it like pasta and dino nuggets or, you know, corn and dino nugget. Like I know it's not the best and the healthiest food, but I mean, as long as everybody's happy and satisfied. Creed is eating, I don't know if he's going through a growth spurt or what's happening. But the other day, when I tell you he ate cereal and a banana and muffins and bacon, I was

like, what is going on? They go through those phases. Jackson went through one not too long ago and I'm like, you're eating me out of house and home, but like continue eating because I love to see it. Okay. I have an update for you. Okay. Remember me telling you about the head and hands that were found in the freezer?

Oh my God. That was pretty recent. You said that. Yes. So this is the update. Severed head and hands found in Colorado freezer identified as 16 year old girl who vanished in 2005. It says that the body parts were reportedly discovered in the freezer by someone

collecting a free appliance from the home in Grand Junction, approximately 240 miles west of Denver. I don't remember that part of the story or if we knew that part of the story that someone was collecting a free appliance. Did we know that? I don't remember that part of the story at all. Me either. So it says upon arrivals, deputy found the head and hands of a human had been discovered in a freezer by someone who arrived to claim the free appliance offered by the new owner of the recently sold home. So can you imagine like, this owner buys this house, there was an appliance left there.

Doubt that they probably opened set appliance, probably just put it out and was like free to whoever wants it. I could see that happening. But then imagine being that person and then there'd be a full blown investigation on said freezer because there's body parts in it. Well, that leads me to think that the owner didn't know that they were in there. Yeah, I don't believe that the new owner knew that they were in there. But why would the other do the other owner die? Because why would they leave those in there?

Do you know what I'm saying? There's no way you could forget that, right? But then he left it in. So unless they died, why would they leave those in the freezer? If they did it themselves and they knew they were there, why would they leave them in the house in the freezer? I don't know. But it says the victim was identified as Amanda Overstreet. Amanda is believed to have been approximately 16 years old at the time of her disappearance over street has not been seen or heard of since April 2005. The teenager was reportedly the biological

daughter of the previous owner of the home. The circumstances surrounding her disappearance are still under investigation. That's wild. That is such a wild situation. Oh my god. I can't even imagine. Yeah, so it says the house was purchased, fully remodeled and sold to the current owner. It says that they're urging local law enforcement is urging people to respect the current owner and neighbors' privacy by avoiding driving by the home and taking photos. Kale, do not go to Colorado and do this.

Okay. Well, thanks. What happened to the remainder of her body? It says that that has still not been found. So could it be on the property somewhere maybe? I don't know, but I find it very hard to believe. I'm trying to think there's no way that the people that sold this house forgot that they committed anything. Unless they didn't know. What? Unless they also didn't know. that sold this house forgot that they committed anything. What? Like unless they also didn't know.

No, the freezer that this was found in, these body parts were found in, was a belonging of the previous owners. The previous owners, that girl has been identified as the biological daughter of those owners. No, I know. But now the new owners were removing that from the home. I don't believe they knew that that was in there.

But I'm saying maybe the original owners, the biological parents of the deceased, is it possible that they didn't know it was in there? Is it possible that they didn't know what was in there? Like, is it possible that they didn't do it? I mean, obviously, that's hard to believe that they didn't know or whatever. But is that is that possible? Like maybe a sibling did it or like a different family member and then the the parents didn't know? Like, is that possible? I mean, I think anything is possible. But to think that

there would be body parts in a freezer and for that to never be discovered in the time that they lived there is not likely. Well, I'm just I only say that because I have a deep freezer in my garage. And if I'm being honest, it's been probably more than six months than I've than that I've seen the contents of what's in the freezer in the garage. So that's the only reason why like, could my kids have put fucking slime and froze it in the freezer out in the garage? Yeah, probably. I wouldn't have known. Do you know what I mean? So like, is that? Could that be a possibility?

But we're talking about this year's been missing since 2005. Right. And like, why was that? Why was there no investigation in the home itself? for someone missing like that? Like a child, you know? So that's really strange. Yeah. And I just want to know, like, was this girl a part of the public school system? Like, did she ride the bus?

Did no one like report anything for them to go in? I mean, I don't necessarily know that even in a simple investigation that they would go in and start like looking in freezers, but I'm turning my house the fuck upside down if my child goes missing. I'm turning the house upside down. 100%. I'm having my entire yard dug. Oh, everybody's, everybody's catching hands, catching charges, everybody's going under surveillance like you better believe that this world is getting flipped upside down.

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the snacks and stuff. Pure terror took over and even the guys in like I stopped paying at the checkout like my car I left my card in the thing. Yeah. And I took off and the guy there was a man and I normally would never really like give them this amount of credit but he start he this by the look on my face and what's happening, he knows something is wrong. So it's like, what is he wearing, that whole thing, and come to find out he was at the gate the whole time. What was he doing?

Just chilling with his brothers. I was telling somebody the other day, I was having this conversation, and I said, has your child ever gone missing or done something that you feel like is so dumb that put you in a state of sheer panic? And I remember when I was a little girl, I used to have a really bad habit of going, like, I love to play hide and seek. It was like one of my favorite games of all time, but I would, I would hide and the person that was seeking didn't realize they were seeking. Oh shit, that would cause lots of it was no like identified like we're playing a game of hide and seek.

It's just like I would go missing. Right. So my dad would take me to all these stores and I would get under you know, like the round clothes racks, I would get under them and stand on like the stand in the middle so that nobody could see me. And I'm like, I'm the best hider in the world. Yeah. Until I got my ass tore up. Because he thought it, the panic that he thought that I was missing. He was like, you were in a van somewhere. Like I was convinced you were in a van somewhere. Like I was convinced you were in a van somewhere. Kristin said you carried the going missing into adulthood clearly. Lindsay loves, Lindsay loves to go MIA in real life as

adults and Kristin and I will be like, what the fuck is going on? And Lindsay is just having she's playing hide and seek at the moment. I'm just having the best time of my life. I might be on my couch. I might be in the bubble bath. I might be at Pilates. Might be at a cabin in the woods somewhere. You know, I've, I didn't really think about that, but I do do that. And you'll turn your location off, which is even worse. Oh yeah. I'll turn. Nobody needs to know. But we do. One of my girlfriends was going on a date the other night and she like said it in book club and I said, ma'am, I need to know who you're going on a date with and I

need you to send me your location. Like I, this is, we're not playing out in these streets. Are you losing sleepover stuff like that? Yes. I thought you were missing and you were at your fucking house. Who me or you? No, Kristen legitimately thought that I was missing. This was like not too long ago. I think it was when I was having my shutters installed and my location was off. I was just like at my house and the shutter people accidentally went to my old house instead of this house.

So they were trying to get in. Kristen didn't realize they were at my old house, not at my new house. So she was like, where the fuck is this bitch? She calls me and I'm like, I'm at home. What are you talking about? You weren't home. I mean, you were, but you were at your other home.

Yeah, I was. So everybody needs to chill out. Jackson's only gone missing one time and we were in Walmart and the way that- Oh, has you. So fucking, Jackson's only gone missing one time and we were in Walmart and the way that has no fucking Jackson's only gone missing one time. One time we were in Walmart. And I asked them to shut down the entire fucking place. I was like, walk all of these doors.

I'm not about to have my child on an amber alert. Customer service better get on that intercom right now, saying your mom is waiting on you. Like get to the front ASAP. There's nothing more terrifying than someone asking you what your child is wearing. Immediately. I feel like I'm a next feature on Unsolved Mysteries. No, it's literally like someone asked me to recite the ABC fucking backwards. I don't remember what they were wearing in a state of sheer panic. Nope. Nope Completely unrelated to this. I saw this article and I want to know What the fuck you would do? It says groom kicks his mother out of his wedding after she brought his ex-girlfriend as her plus one.

What the fuck kind of momster in law is that? So apparently this was on Reddit, shocker, under something titled, am I the asshole? And this man is wondering if he was wrong to kick his own mother out of his wedding because she brought the ex girlfriend as the plus one. That's wrong. And she's in the wrong. Why would you do that? I don't know. It says that he began providing some background explaining that he started dating his now ex wife. Oh, his now wife. I was like, wait, so did he get divorced because of this? He started dating his now wife in June about three years ago

and his mother never really warmed up to her. So according to the groom, it's because June didn't let my mom push her around. She kept firm boundaries, which I really admired and she even helped me do the same. His mother was also still mourning his previous five-year relationship with a woman named Margo. While his mother loved Margo, the groom said his ex was very controlling and manipulative and their dynamic together was

horrible. So he finally worked up the courage to leave. Thanks to support from his friends and his sister, he was able to leave her. When the groom announced his engagement to this woman named June, his mom seemed to take the news well. He said that his mom did not freak out. It was kind of weird considering the fact that his mom hated her. She was calm, finally had accepted this, didn't think much of it. Then it took an unfortunate turn on the wedding day. He said he gave his mother and father

who got remarried to other people after they graduated college plus ones for their respective spouses. They had a very small ceremony with just immediate family and a close few friends. And when the newlyweds arrived at their reception, he quickly learned that something was wrong. His sister and June's best friend, which was the maid of honor, ran up in panic and said,

before they even said anything, he spotted it. His mom was at the table with his dad, his dad's wife, and his ex-girlfriend. At the point that you as a mother are that invested in your child's relationships, I'm concerned and I fear there may be a mental illness. Why did you say that so slow? Maybe a mental illness. I could never ever, ever imagine logically thinking that that would be an okay thing to do. I have a hard time. Isaac will tell me certain things about scenarios at school, scenarios

with his friends, and I have to make a conscious effort to not offer up my opinion unless he's asking me or there's severe red flags that I need to bring to his attention. If my child, and again, it may be easier said than done, I don't know, but I'm picturing Isaac and Lincoln being old enough to have relationships. I do not need to place my opinions about the girlfriends, the wives, the anything. My job as a parent is to let them leave the nest, have their own relationship, and to be a part of that relationship so long as they let me and they're welcoming me and not offer my opinions unless they're asked for. I couldn't imagine, let's put our kids in this situation, right? Like they were in a long relationship with a girl for five years and you grew close to

that girl. And then they break up. Son gets in a new relationship, engaged to be married, has this wedding. I could not imagine thinking that it would be logical to invite that type of shit into a wedding. Absolutely not. And the other thing too is I think that you as a parent or as any person that grew accustomed to a certain relationship for a significant period of time. I think it's normal to remain respectful and friendly. You don't necessarily have to cut them out and hate their guts, but to respect the new relationship and respect the new relationship, but also respect the relationship that is no longer, but be friendly or be civil or whatever, but not crossing. Why as a mom

would you want to affect the relationship that you have with your son over a woman who is no longer clearly a part of this family? Also, just thinking deeper on this situation, was it a play from the mom to bring up old stuff to try to stop the wedding. Like this is actually who I think that you were supposed to be marrying, not this girl. So now her being present here in this like intimate setting, you might have a change of heart. Yes.

Or the woman, the new wife would get so upset and so hurt and so that she just willingly gives everything up. I mean, I do have an ex that if his mother called me, I would answer, carry on a conversation with this person. If they invited me to lunch, I would go. But I think there are still boundaries in situations that I wouldn't involve myself in something that could possibly jeopardize their relationship or future relationships or a relationship that they were currently in. Well, it sounds to you like it's also few and far between.

So she's catching up with you. You know, if she called you to go to lunch, she's catching up with you in life and as a person, not as necessarily you're the ex girlfriend of her son. You know what I mean? Like maybe that's how y'all met, but that doesn't mean that that's how you're going to catch up six months, a year, two years from now. Do you know what I mean? It's more of like a, I like you as a person. I wish that you were still in my son's life, unfortunately, or not. And I think that so long as it works for both parties and the son and the new relationship are not affected, I think that that's that's fine. Right? Like, if I see hobbies parents out, they're gonna say hi to me, I say hi to them, we keep it moving, we don't need to have an elaborate conversation necessarily. Or, you know, maybe we do. And

that's the end of it. And I don't see them again for a while. Same with Joe's family. If I see Janet, I know she lives in Delaware. Now, if I see Janet, I might say hi to her, but we don't need to be having, you know what I mean? But if I'm just trying to think, if I, you know, imagine I show up to my mom's wedding, to Suzy's wedding, and I show up with her ex. Or you showed up with Ray. Like, what would I be thinking?

You're not. But here's the thing. I think there are some people that like so deeply think about this kind of stuff that choose these actions. Well, they're very deeply miserable people because happy people do not do shit like that. I will say though, it was very hard for me through my divorce and another breakup to cut ties with relationships that I created through that marriage and breakup. And I think that we need to normalize that like, we all need to be adults and you don't

have to sever those relationships just because you're no longer together with the person that you created those relationships during that time. I think a lot of people have a really hard time with that because some of us are in the era of our lives where we are truly just figuring out who we are, where we're knowing our boundaries, we're going to therapy, we're taking accountability. And then there are some people who can't be trusted,

I think, and will go between the parties. And it's just like trying to decipher which ones are going between the parties and being shit starters and which ones are truly neutral and are not going to stand for the bullshit between the parties. Does that make sense? No, I agree. Hi, I'm Lauren. And I'm Chandler. And we're the hosts of Pop Apologist Podcast, a weekly podcast devoted to celebrity gossip, Hollywood deep dives, real housewives drama, and anything and everything Taylor Swift. We're two sisters who make no apologies for our love of pop culture and the fact that

A-listers might mean more to us than each other. Join us on your favorite podcast app every Wednesday for Pop Apologists. Pop Apologists, your new favorite sister and celeb podcast. Before we started this recording, Lindsay sent me this article that I was absolutely mind-fucked about. This is the Madison Bergman case. Basically, this teacher is texting with a 12-year-old who she's telling that she wants to kiss and she wants to make out and she's obsessed with him and he's texting back. The parents find text messages between them after catching months of text messages, mind you, after they catch their son on the phone with his

teacher. Now, the student is 12 years old and this is in Minnesota. It says, former Wisconsin elementary teacher facing nine more charges in child sexual assault case. So she's 24 years old, Madison Bergman of St. Paul. She has five counts of sexual misconduct by school staff, two counts of child enticement and one count each of use of a computer to facilitate a child sex crime, exposing a child to harmful descriptions and first degree child sexual assault. The way that this gave me the chills when you sent it to me, and I immediately thought of Lincoln, who's about to be 11 years old, made me feel like I need to again take

his phone. I do give it to him during school because you just never know what's going to happen. Then if he gets dropped off at a practice or something and I'm not readily available, I'd give it to him. But how do I explain this to my child why I need to take his phone? Because I don't need shit like this happening. This is the most insane and disgusting thing on the internet right now. I believe that child was what, in fifth grade? Fifth grade, which is Lincoln's age. He's also in fifth grade. Jackson's also in fifth grade. I could not even fathom what this would feel like. We

send our kids to school thinking that everything can be trusted. The amount of trust that it takes for a parent to send their child into a school building with other adults being around them all day long. We're talking like seven hour school days. I feel like you have to be brave as a parent to be able to do that. I understand it's mandated by law for our kids to be in school, whatever,

but I still think it's like brave for us to have some level of trust to send them into a school. For a 24-year-old to be writing handwritten letters to an 11, 12-year year old, talking about the things that they want to do with them physically. These children also are in, in fifth grade, they're just figuring themselves out, their personalities, the types of friends that they want to have, really establishing like these friend groups. And a lot of their bodies are going through changes. I feel like that

child is going to suffer for a very long period of time with that likely being the first encounter that this child would have had with a female. I feel like the child needs to be in therapy for a long period of time. Lincoln's about to be 11. for a long period of time. Lukas L Jackson what is going on with her that she would even be attracted to a 12 year old and would be giving this sort of attention to one of her students. And if there's one, there's many. So I would be so curious to know like what else they found. I know that they found, you said the handwritten notes thing, they found a folder with the victim's name on it containing

handwritten notes. Many of the letters allegedly talked about the two kissing each other. I'm sick to my stomach over this. I also wonder if this was like a completely isolated situation or have there been other children in the past? I'm just like going over the article and I can't wrap my head around it. It makes it any better, right? That if it was isolated or if it was not, like was this child specifically targeted and it's the first time that it's ever happened

or does she participate or has she participated in this type of activity before and this is the first time she's been called? I would imagine she's 24, so she's probably pretty fresh out of college. I just can't imagine being attracted to a small child. Like 12 years old is still a small child. I cannot wrap my head around that.

I will never be able to wrap my head around that. What about them is attractive to you? Like I cannot, I don't get it. I just think that, and I don't know, know maybe you feel different but I just look at Jackson like all of his little friends and I'm like, they're so cute and so innocent and they must be having so much fun in their life right now like there's nothing that outside of like parenting a child that is that age that there would be anything common in life at all like what

like I don't know I don't have any words for that. And I just, why do I feel like, one, you think that you are going to get away with it. You kept folders. You kept evidence. You kept all of this. But also with the modern technology, with the way that people are checking their kids' phones, the way that you can have text messages sent to multiple locations for every text. I don't know if anyone knows this. If you go into your settings on your iPhone, you can have text messages and iMessages go between your child's phone and also your phone. So you're essentially monitoring all of it. What made you think that this was even going to go on? I mean, it went on long enough. For several months it went on. So I just don't,

I can't, I can't run my hand around any of it. And did, did this teacher target this child thinking that she would be able to get away with it and it would go undiscovered? Like, did she assess these parents and think, oh, they're not monitoring this child's phone? Like at the point that I ever saw a teacher texting my child, I would absolutely, I don't care if it's appropriate or not, like it's inappropriate communication for you to be texting my child at all ever. Agreed. I wholeheartedly. I don't care what the content of said message is, right? Like as an adult outside of the school building,

you do not need or have any type of permission to be communicating with my child. Especially with all the kids having Chromebooks and student teacher emails or Google threads on those boards that you can respond to and things like that. There's absolutely no reason for you to communicate outside of student email. At all. And then this, when I saw this, it made me think about age gaps, right? And being in relationships with larger age gaps, people have to understand that, let's say you're in a relationship with somebody, we'll use my mom, for example, she was with somebody or still is with somebody 20 years her senior.

I never was on board with it growing up. I was like, what the fuck do you guys have in common? Like he's a weirdo. Like he's got gray hair. Like what are you doing? That's only appropriate at a certain point in life. I feel like that's not appropriate in a situation like this where you've got a fifth grader and a 24 year old. Right. And I hate the argument too, like just if we're going to talk about this, like I think, well, oh, you know, if there's a 20 year age gap and it's 50 and 30, right. And someone's like, well, imagine when they were, you know, 15 and whatever the age is, 20 years, 15 and 35. Well, I didn't

like them then. I wasn't attracted to them until they were a full blown adult and then years after that. Do you know what I mean? So I don't think that that necessarily is an argument. In this situation with 12 and 24, this is a big problem. Oh, a big problem. And I think back to your point, I didn't like them then. I think the scenario changes when somebody becomes an adult and they've lived some adult life to make adult decisions. Like that big of a gap 20 years and you're still living at home

and you're completely dependent on your parents, that shit doesn't fly. Right. Agreed. What would be the oldest person that you would date and the youngest person you would date? Okay. I'm 32. So I'd probably date someone in their 40s if I wasn't with Elijah.

I think Elijah is the youngest I would ever date. I also didn't even like him until he was at least 24 years old. So yeah, I'd say like 40s. So that's the youngest. Yeah. Oh yeah. Elijah's, I don't think I could go any younger. I mean, Elijah himself, I was concerned in the very beginning that we're just not on the same path in life. And not that he hasn't lived because he's been in the military, he we're just not on the same path in life. Not that he hasn't lived because he's been in the military, he's lived in several states, he had just moved back from Hawaii. I think that he had lived life too in just a very different way, but

a normal 24-year-old that maybe just moved out of their parents' house, that wouldn't fly with me. I think that some of the things that he had done contributed to attraction, but 40s, I think, would work for me in terms of how much older. Depending on the 50-year-old, I could probably go up to 50. I feel I'm 32 and I have seven kids. I think that maybe a 52-year-old would be sort of understanding of my situation and like really look at the full picture that I started having kids when I was 17 and then I was married. And so I think that those things can be accounted for to a 50 year old. Do you know what I mean? 100%. I would not go under 40 and would not go over 53.

Okay. I think that's fair. So now you're looking at 40 year olds. Oh yeah. I think I've always been looking at them my whole life. I've always had a thing for facial hair. I think it's a complex from my childhood. Like, even when I was a small child, I was just always more drawn to people that add facial hair. Yeah. I also love facial hair, always have loved facial hair. My parents hate or hated when I was growing up me liking anybody with facial hair. And also I've always been attracted to people older than me. So I don't know how well and I ended up together. I mean, we're

six months apart. I also don't know how I ended up with any of my baby dads because none of them are like, none of they're all relatively my age. I mean Joe was born a few months before me, Javi a few months after Chris of two years like we're all within except for Elijah's pretty young but I don't know. I've always really liked older men but I never it never worked out that way for me. I think I had low self-esteem. I wasn't holding out for the right one until- You know, this might not sound great, but pretty woman like Richard Gere, I could look him up.

Richard, is he hot? I mean, you're gonna say no. Richard Gere. He was never hot, Lindsay. Yes, he is. No. Yeah, like, I've been in love with him since I first ever saw Pretty Woman. Okay. Maybe something's mentally wrong with me. I'm okay with that. And on that note, foul play. Foul play. Hi, ladies. I was so happy to realize I finally had my own foul play to be able

to send in. However, I'm literally still dying over what happened to my partner and I last weekend. We both have children from previous relationships. We live separately, but get together a night or two during the week and spend every weekend together. We have limited time to do the deeds, so we get it in wherever and whenever we can while the kids are occupied. This time my partner's 10 year old son was playing on my phone in the living room so we took the opportunity and snuck into my bedroom for a quickie. Halfway through he casually decides to pull out his phone and record what we do and so I thought nothing of it. Once we were done he told me he sent it to me so I could watch it later on. Guys,

my heart dropped into my stomach that very second when I realized that his son still had my phone. He had seen his dad's name pop up and open the notification and yet you guessed it, he saw the whole goddamn video of his dad's point of view, fucking me doggy style. His son was laughing out loud saying what was that over and over and to our surprise acted normal the rest of the night. I'm pretty sure he will be scarred for life and I know I will be okay. That might be worse than like walking in. That might be. Yes, no, that is worse. That is because you're getting bird's eye view. Yeah, like exactly what was going on from the position that it was going on in.

And you can play it back. I would be absolutely mortified because I wonder at what point like wasn't it an instant realization? Was it a few minutes? Like I'm going to get dressed and take my time. Did he say, oh, I sent it to you after he sent it a couple minutes ago? Like, what was that like? The way that I would just throw my whole phone away and my entire body somewhere? Done. I would have been done. Like imagine that's Lincoln's age.

Imagine Lincoln seeing that. No, because Lincoln doesn't really know what sex is right now. Like he has like a vague idea just based on like educational conversations, but like he truly doesn't know the inner workings of it. And he knows enough on his level, but he doesn't need to see any sort of indication. Like he doesn't need to watch it. You know what I'm saying? So I just can't, that would be, I would be, but he's not dumb. So like he would know, but I wouldn't want him to know before he's ready to know. Same. I feel like if it was a 13, 14, 15 year old boy

that saw that video, it would be still very embarrassing, but a child that doesn't really understand what's going on for them to see it, I would be absolutely mortified. Jackson's still in the phase of, and this question has come up very often lately, dad, what did you do when you had me? What was it that you were doing when you had me?

How did I get here? Well, he gave you a little bit of the ingredients to create an egg, an embryo, a child. Remember the, I don't know how I did it, I just did it, it was hard. Well, I don't know how I did it. I just did it. It was hard. Well, it wasn't hard because the men only sit there and fucking basketball shorts. Basketball shorts.

Ask Lincoln. That might be like one of my favorite things that's ever been said on the podcast. He was just over there in his basketball shorts. Ask Lincoln. He'll tell you. He will literally tell you. I'm so dead. Okay, next person says,

I never understood what the other kiddies meant when they said they had to grab their phone to email a foul play until immediately after it happened. Well, I will do you one better. I thought I had to send this one in as it was happening and then was questioning myself as to how that this was my first thought. First of all, that always blows my mind.

Like anytime we get foul plays and people are like pausing whatever is going on to send them, like go kitty, go. Busy working mama in the shower, in the bathroom, under remodel, so no door at all. And I decided to have a little me time with one of my favorite shower toys just to release some stress.

The work of weeknight sex with the hubs is just a lot given how busy life has been, but I digress. As I am quietly trying to get to that spot, my kids, my husband, even my dogs, kept popping into the bathroom randomly interrupting me. And once you're in it, you've got to finish, right? Well, as I hit the spot and I'm in the middle of my orgasm, I feel something that I thought

was a fart. In fact, it was not a fart. The O was so good that I in fact dropped a little piece of shit onto my shower floor and was immediately more a little piece of shit onto my shower floor and was immediately mortified. Side note, I had a gastric bypass a year ago and while I have shed a ton of weight, my stomach and bowels are all over the place most days. Today obviously was one of those days. At this moment the shit hit the shower floor. My first and immediate thought was oh my god I have

to send this foul play. Then I asked myself why I was thinking about the kitty gang while standing over a piece of poop in the shower but here we are and most of the kitties will understand. Not sure if the shower shit was worse than if I had actually done the deed with the hubs and pooped as I orgasm. Well I guess we will never know. Love you ladies and all the kitties out there. You have no idea how seen I feel by this show and this community of kitties. Sincerely, Shower Shitter. Shower Shitter is crazy and I feel horrible because I cannot relate to that. I've never had the urge or sensation that I was going to shit during an orgasm. So I cannot imagine

the complexity of that scenario. Have you ever shit in the shower? Yeah. One time in the seventh grade, I went to my friend, Caitlin Morrison's house and we got Chinese food and it gave me literally liquid shits. And I was so embarrassed to shit at her house, but I couldn't. I was already wet and I was in the shower. And when I tell you that I just like, I had to squat down, but it was liquid. Like it made me that sick. Like it wasn't even like regular diarrhea. It was like straight, like when you have a stomach bug, liquid shit.

Oh, food poisoning. If I had to. I don't know. Can you get diarrhea from food poisoning or is that strange? Yeah. Okay. So then it was definitely that because I mean, it was that one where, you know when you get a stomach bug and there's no substance there. It's straight liquid. It was like that. I don't think I've ever- It was gone after a couple hours. It went't it went away. Oh, yeah, that was definitely like food poisoning

Well, it was from a Chinese restaurant. I had never been to before and I absolutely love Chinese food So I'm gonna guess that maybe it was I think it was a buffet even so it could have even just been that As you tell this story, it just continues to get worse and worse. It was Chinese food and then it was a buffet like my god also, I don't know that of any person that I know that would be brave enough with like a son or child in the house, a husband and dogs without a door on a bathroom. And you've just got a toy out orgasming in the shower, except you, because of that phase. I'm just trying to think of this scenario. No, I'm probably never going to play with

toys personally. Because my kids walk in so frequently, that's just not going to be a scenario that I would subject myself to. Because my baby dads would probably use it against me in court if one of the kids went home to their house and said something. So I just don't want to subject myself to that. Have you ever been walked in on using a toy by anyone? No, not using a toy, no. That would be so fucking embarrassing, oh my God. Thank you guys for always supporting our show.

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