Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Ric Flair Drip, Rollaway Broncos & Rule Breaking

Episode Date: May 18, 2026

CC 479: Kail and Lindsie are in Atlanta with tour chaos, parenting updates, and the kind of unfiltered conversations only Coffee Convos can have. Lindsie tells the unbelievable story of her Bronco rolling away after a recent repair and the recall that may explain it. They also get into school emails, ADHD meds, co-parenting disagreements, what consequences should look like at home versus school, and why teachers recording students crosses a line. Plus, Kail and Lindsie react to the latest Unexpected drama, talk about grooming, inappropriate adult behavior with minors, sex offender registries, assisted suicide, wisdom teeth, and close out with a foul play involving a childhood move into not one, but two throuple situations.Trigger warning: This episode includes conversations about grooming, predatory behavior, minors, pedophilia, and assisted suicide.Get your Fatherless Behavior Tour Tickets herePlease vote for us in the lifestyle category here!For full videos head to patreon.com/kaillowry To send in your Foul Plays email us at [e-mail] you for checking out our sponsors!Honey Love: Save 50% Off Honeylove this Memorial Day Weekend by going to honeylove.com/Coffee #honeylovepodK12: See why more than 3 million families have chosen K12 find a K12 Powered School near you today! Go to K12.com/COFFEECONVOS to learn more.Merit: Right now, Merit Beauty is offering our listeners their Signature Makeup Bag with your first order at meritbeauty.com.Direct TV: Go to directv.com/genrepacks and sign up today.Firstleaf: Stop settling for wines that don't quite hit the mark. Head to TryFirstleaf.com/coffee to sign up and you'll get fifty percent off your first box PLUS free shipping for an entire year. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convoes with Kail Lowry and Lindsay Crissly. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. We're rolling in Atlanta. Do you want to know something? Yes. When I think of Atlanta, I don't think. think of anyone else but you. And I always think of like Atlanta at one time is a collage in my brain

of Rick Flair Drip, Atlanta and Lindsay Crissly. Rick Flair Drip is wild. Do you know that I almost got invited to a Rick Flair party one time? I didn't even know who Rick Flair was until you told me. Because we're rolling through the, what is it rolling through the deep? No, that's Adele. That's Adele. Oh, rolling through the six of my woes. Yeah. With your 22s. With my 22s. Wait, what was the stuff? No, Drake is in the six. Going through the drip, like the AP, yeah. Riding on a water like a jet ski, yeah.

But I'm trying to fuck you in your best. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? We got to play that. Which live show should we play Rick Flair? We have to come out to Rick Flair drip. Yeah.

People need to vote on what live show. Well, no, here's the thing, though. Like, are we going to keep up the, the, um, tradition of coming out as a concert to Dickdown in Dallas. I feel like it's a necessary moment. We have to do that. And maybe we close out the show to Rick Flair drip. Okay. Because the concert is like the like this tour is so much bigger that we have to show people what we did. And we had a concert. A full blown concert. Like we were like this. We were dancing. We were biving. But like we started we had a concert. It was legit. Just in the background. He's like I want no parts of this.

I listen Rick Flair Should we come out to Dick Down in Dallas again Or should we come out to Rick Flair drip And end it with Dick Down in Dallas Yeah I feel like we've got to come out to Rick Flair And then end it

We could close it out to Dick Down in Dallas Yes Let us know in the comments Subscribe Let us know Subscribe what are they Subscribe oh our show I don't know

What are we subscribing to? Lux I just remembered when Lux went to kindergarten and he came back and he did that TikTok on my phone where he pranked everybody at school on the second day of school and said that he told everyone they were eating beans for lunch and at the end of the video he's like if you want more of these subscribe do you remember that TikTok so subscribe like what are you subscribing to you don't have any subscription you don't have anything to subscribe to it's all the kids though it's like the YouTube age right like our kids

growing up and they're like subscribe and like what are you liking what are you liking what are you liking. Well, what's so funny, too, is I was telling Alessandra wasn't out here for it, but the makeup artist and the hair, the hairstylist asked if, because I was talking about how Sassy Valley is. And she's like, oh, like, she might get some of that from like, does she watch like YouTube or TikToks? And I said, no. Like, my kids don't have iPads. My kids don't, they don't go on YouTube or anything like that. They don't, they have the TV or nothing. And she comes out and she's like, here's your Kindle. What the fuck do you know about a Kindle? Other than your mom reads one all the time.

Where did you? It's not like I'm going around the house talking about my Kindle. Yes, you are. Am I? Yes, you are. I do. So she heard it. Yes, you absolutely do.

Actually, Kail and I had a really, like, in-depth conversation in hair and makeup this morning. And Kail was like, I don't know, like, where Valley gets that personality from. And she's like, she's so animated. And I'm like, Kail, have you seen yourself? Okay. But when I was talking about this. I'm not trying to be like a pick me like yes you do. When I tell y'all, and I've said it before and I'll say it again, I was an unremarkable child.

I had no personality as a child. I was a follower. I was a hanging out with whoever would hang out with me. Like I was an unremarkable. I didn't have a personality growing up. I just didn't have one. And so when I see Valley and she's so sassy and animated about everything, it's so funny. And like it's so crazy because I love my boys.

I love my daughter, but I do love them very different equally, very equally, but different. Valley's personality. And I don't know if it's a boy versus girl thing because I was telling Lindsay, Elliot's personality at this age was very reserved and shy. Like he was cute and funny, but he also was like reserved. Lincoln was animated. Lux was animated as fuck. Creed has always been spicy.

He's funny, but he's spicy. And so seeing, and like Rio is hot or cold. You never know what you're going to get with him. And then Valley is, I mean, versus Elijah through and through. Just very. I will say he is becoming significantly more animated now, which I don't think Elijah had and doesn't have now. Valley is so fucking sassy. And I don't know.

And I love it. And she's like, I'm a crazy girl. She'll say, I'm a crazy girl. And I love when little kids talk like that. I love it. It's so funny. And she's like, naked booty girl. Wait, but you know some people like, and I have never agreed with this and this might be a hot take, but like correcting your kids and the way they say something wrong. I never corrected Jackson. Me do it. Like he still says, mom, can you put some siminin rolls in? Yes. And he's 13 and I'm like, I'm never correcting you. I don't care. I will never correct it. I will never correct it. They will grow out of it at some point. I will never correct it ever. Me do it or Valley's thing. S meal. S meal. I just.

love that they can speak Spanish. Verse is he went from Man Man, which is Spider-Man to Spider-Man. Spine. How did you do it? How was Spider-Man? But Val-Val is full-blown Spanish. I want to Salir. I want to Salir.

That means I want to get out. Salir is exit. I thought it meant salad. I'm like, a salad. No, that's Encelala. But she'll say, I want to salir. Bless her heart. Or pop up safe way.

Safe way. He left. That is the cutest. Pop up safe way. Do you mean to tell you what's not cute though? I've got a story to tell y'all. What? So the other morning I was going to be a good friend and drop breakfast off to my friend's girls.

So I go and have all the bags. Get out of my Bronco. Not getting out of my car, getting out of my Bronco. Getting out of my Bronco. And car is fully in park. Car is off. I'm glad you put your car in park. Sometimes I get out and I haven't parked it and then it parks for me.

Like it's automatic. Is that an ADHD thing? Okay. Anyways. I'm not sure what that is, but that's terrifying. It'll park itself when I do that. Well, okay. So I've got a little bit of beef with Bronco right now because I feel,

like it's just, I have loved the car and I've loved the moment, but the moment's over for me after what transpired. So car fully off and park. I turn around. The car is rolling. On a hill? On a hill. Rolling down a hill. Oh yeah. It hits my friend's husband's mother's car. okay and I'm like chasing the Bronco down like it's you only see that in movies I know and I'm just chasing this Bronco okay I get the door open and I'm like trying to push on the break with my hand it will not break so I'm like what the fuck so it just slams into the back of the car I said oh this is what Monday looks like. Okay, but serious question. How does that work for insurance? If nobody was in the car, who's at fault? Well, because my car hit that car. Technically, I am at fault, but... Is that not

like a car problem, though? Yeah. So that's what I was getting to. So this week, my friends in a group chat, send me a text where, hold on, I'm going to read it to you guys. Ford recalls, 4,922 Broncos after previous repairs could cause rollaway risk. So this article comes out like two days after that happens to my car. Well, about six months ago, I started hearing like this ticking noise. inside the car, but it was like from under the hood. So make an appointment at Bronco or at Ford, take it there. They have it for two weeks. They had to rebuild the whole underneath of the car. Was that covered or did you have to pay for that? It was like under warranty. Because the

recall. Okay. So they fix the whole thing. I think it's fine. And now they're saying because of those types of repairs. That's what's causing these cars to roll away. So now State Farm calls me and they're like, can you just like tell us what happened? They had to send it to like a specialist and I'm like, yeah, this is what happened. And now there's this like recall on the rollaway risk. They're like, well, we're going to have to get Ford involved because technically that is a mechanical failure on the car. So Ford would be responsible for paying for the other person's damages. But I feel bad because I'm like my car hit her car and until state farm and Ford figure it out, nobody's getting repairs on anything.

Because you would come in theory. Because I'm technically not at fault. So you could pay for her repairs, but then it's like when and are you ever going to get that money back? No. And then it's going to ding my insurance as I was an at fault driver. like driver. Like driver, technically, but I wasn't driving and the car was just rolling away.

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No, Ford is responsible for this. And she's lucky that nobody else was in those cars because that could have been a child. What if a child was behind the car? And I keep saying this. Did it roll like backwards or forwards? Like down the hill. So I try at this point of my life, I try to find like the silver linings of whatever because I will go crazy. I am so glad that his mother's car was there because if it wasn't, it would have gone into, that Bronco would have gone into a house.

It could have hit a child. it, I mean, it could have been bad. Imagine somebody like walking their kids down the road and you've just got to fucking roll away Bronco. Well, that's crazy that you say that because I, ever since I read this book, The River is Waiting where a child was run over, I have, ever since I read it last year, I put children at play signs in my driveway. I know you haven't been to my house, but my driveway is pretty long.

And delivery drivers, door dash drivers, people that come visit, you can't see toddlers. over the hood of your car. But I say all that to say, like, if that were to happen in a driveway like mine where my kids are running up and down the driveway, when we were going to the airport to come here, the toddler, like all three kids were outside at Elijah's house. They saw our car and ran to Elijah's. They're running up and down that driveway all day. Like, I could not imagine a car rolling over them and no one's in it. But could you imagine if my car rolled away like that and it killed somebody? That's what? And then what? And I mean, that's a life. Listen, I'm going to be honest, I feel like I would boycott Ford at that point.

I feel like that's what is Ford stand for found on road dead? My suburban, when I had gotten my Denali, they're all GMC, but there was a, like, I guess like a recall similar to that on my suburban. I think it was like between 104 and 107,000, like 107,000 miles. My suburban hit that. And that was my fifth one because I've had. the Tahoe's and Suburans, I've loved them. Never had an issue. Always traded them in after like two, three years, get a new one. This fifth one I had for three years, it got to 107,000 miles. I traded it in on a Wednesday. The transmission blew on that Thursday. And that was in the same one that had the

recalls for at that mileage, the transmission would go. So the same thing happened. I'm not, I, the dealer that sold me the Denali, since they're all GMC, he texted me and was like, hey, are you ready to trade in? I said, I'm not getting another one. But also, he's a, Here's the other problem. When something like that happens and it's like a mechanical issue, it truly is Ford's fault. Now it's going to hit my car on Kelly Blue Book. So then they owe me what I'm going to lose. And you keep your cars in pristine condition. Pristine condition. And that's going to take a hit on. Was the damage significant? No, it's really not significant. And that's not the point, but it's still a ding on Kelly Blue Book. Yes. And so now they're going to owe me the difference.

Will they? for it. I have no idea. I don't know what they're going to do. So now I'm like, okay, well, my Lexus is a lease and that's up in September. I now want to sell the Bronco. I think I'm just going to get a Tahoe, like a Z-71. We're going to ride dirty. I want like the green one, Matt. I loved. I've had five. The only reason why I got this one was because it was what was available. I've loved them. I'm not going to get another one because I don't think when I get a new vehicle, I won't need. I want, need a vehicle this big. I'm going to downsize slightly. But yeah, you'll love a Tahoe. So I think that's what... Or a Yukon, either one. They're the same. I think that's what I'm going to do. So that's just like my little car update. I have a parenting update and I need everyone to weigh in on this. So our schools get out like close to the end of May. Okay. And Jackson got two emails home from school on Friday. where he thought it was a good idea that he was going to go to the bathroom five times between

the hours of 9 a.m. and 11 a.m. So if you've got a shit like that, you need to come home. That's number one. Number two, working on a project in social studies and he's like, I'll just do my project at home. I don't want to do it here. Okay, number one, that's not an option. Second thing. You're like, we don't have time for a project. Then the next email I get is, is he has too many points off. So he's going to have to serve after school detention for behavior points off on Thursday of this coming week. So I'm like, okay, you really decided to go to school and really show your fucking ass. And now I am so irritated.

Your fucking ass. And I said, I told him, and I have been telling him, I said, if I continue to get emails from your teacher and it interrupts my work day, I'm going to interrupt your whole life. this is not funny and I you funny to me but also you have you feel like you need to respond to them because you don't want a teacher to think that you're like negligent but it's like yes I read it and I'm processing and I need about three business days to respond to this because now I'm pissed off can I play devil's advocate really quick or maybe it's not devil's advocate can I like complain about this for one second I do feel like sometimes the schools are overly communicative where I don't need to know.

Like, I do not give a fuck. If you have reprimanded my son for going to the bathroom five times in two hours, do not call me about that. Send him to the nurse. Honestly. And have the nurse call me. Yes. And make sure he's okay.

And it's not like a bowel problem. But like also do not call me for that. I'm just like, if he got the points off. And that was punishment enough. That was the punishment. Send me a note home. I don't need you to interrupt my work day. Okay.

So now I'm going to read you the test. that I got from Will Campbell because he's he's not with the shits. His mom was a teacher for 30 years. He's like he's not going to school doing this bullshit. So will text me and he says a screenshot of the email as if I didn't get it because I was a recipient on it. As he could see. I would pray that this is rectified with no jump part. no phone and chores. Detention is not his punishment, Lindsay. It's his consequence. I said,

Will, I've been working all day. I've just replied to the emails and I'm going to Pilates at five. So can you pick him up? He goes, why did you not respond to me? I said, whatever, I'm coming to get him. First of all, first of all, it's my parenting time. So I don't need you reprimanding him on my parenting time. Thank you very much. Thank you for also sending me the email that I already got. Appreciate that. Also, don't tell me what punishments are going to go on in my house because that's we're divorced. So you do the punishments that you want to do at your house. We've already established this. Okay. Well, then after he sends me this, we get another email. All in one day, another email. Different class? Different class. Same teacher, different teacher. Different teacher. Okay. The email said that,

Jackson was videoing the teacher. So she takes him out into the hallway and ask him why he's videoing her. And he said, well, why were you videoing me? Valid? Why was she videoing him? Because I guess he was on his iPad when he wasn't supposed to be like it wasn't like a tech. They're allowed to have like their iPads or a laptop that's not school issued at the school if they're using it for schoolwork and if they're approved to be on an electronic device. he was not approved to be on an electronic device and he was taking pools of an entire shareable bag of sour patch watermelons, digging around in his backpack, taking pools of sour patch watermelons, playing on his iPad.

So I guess she took a picture of him doing this. Where did he get those? So he said, if you're going to take a picture of me, I'm taking a picture of you. So then he got an administrative write-up. Okay, but time out. I do not give a fuck if my child is throwing a fucking, you're not videoing my kid. Do not video my kid. Call me, pull him out of the class.

Why are you videoing my kid? But also videoing my kid on your personal cell phone. No, that's what I'm saying. That's so inappropriate. Like, a kid is a kid as a kid. I don't care if they have behavioral issues. They don't have behavioral issues. They have ADHD.

They don't have ADHD. Do not video my kid. you are a teacher. There is a boundary. There is other protocol that you can do to handle that situation. If I find out one of the teachers is videoing my kid, I'm suing everybody. Well, I will tell you that Jackson was sent to the office and gave his whole side of the thing. But in other, he is severely ADHD. Okay. Also, Will Campbell sent him to school without his medicine on this specific day. All of this went down. And so I told Will, I said, you are the problem.

You are literally the problem. He's like, why is he calling me from the school saying that I didn't give him his, because you didn't? Because you didn't. And he's letting you know he's about to show his ass up with that school today. I don't care what Jackson did. That teacher should not have recorded him, period. Will says, next text message, this was yesterday. Lindsay, I hope he has had major punishments this weekend, and I hope his phone has been taken and also disconnected.

I said, Will? He has been reprimanded. So no phone? I said, nope, he has it. His Friday was not his favorite day, I can assure you. He said, detail it. I said, talk to him multiple times, ignored him, which he hates, made him go to bed, which he hates, made him play outside alone for hours, woke up yesterday a new person. Need anything else? Need anything else? I mean, the good thing is that you guys are communicating about it. So whether your parenting styles are different or not, you guys are communicating about it. Like you said, he cannot make punishments at your house. You can't make punishments at his. He was reprimanded and that is what it is. Let it be known in the future for Will. Don't forget his medicine. Also, I don't know if this is an option for Jackson School, but our school offered to keep some of the medicine for Lux at the nurse's office in case we forget to give medicine at home. But why are we forgetting with one kid? Life,

life. First thing I do when I come downstairs after I brush my teeth, take a piss, and wash my face is get his medicine and his vitamins out. You have one job. I have forgotten to give Lux his meds before, so I can't really speak on that. Did you get emails like that? No. Lux has a different presentation, so he'll stare, he'll like stare and not absorb anything. So he's like the opposite. Like he's zoned out. Yeah. Like he'll and he tries so hard, but it's just not like the math isn't mathing. I've been using Merit Beauty for about a year now. And let's be honest. If a routine takes longer than five minutes, I'm probably not going to do it because I don't have the time. That's why Merit Beauty believes that great makeup should be effortless. They do have clean, thoughtfully curated essentials to help you get a fresh, us look within minutes. And I absolutely love that. I could not tell you the last time I was able to sit down on my vanity and do a full glam at home. I just don't have the time. And truly,

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But what are we doing in the bathroom? Fucking around. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. We sure are. Need anything else? I said, Jackson, did you pee any of those times when you went in there? I said because we can literally drive from Atlanta to Orlando and you won't ever get out of the car to go the bathroom.

So please explain to me how you needed to go to the bathroom five times between those hours. I didn't. At least he's honest. He was completely honest. He was completely honest about the whole thing. And I'm like, how do you? And I don't like the word punishment as a parent. No, it's like consequences.

Like, yeah, consequence. They're consequences. But isn't the consequence him having to do detention and getting an administrative write-up? I'm not a fan of multiple punishments for the same behavior. And I have a hard time with that. So if you are getting detention, it's hard too because I also think it depends on the kid. It depends on the circumstance. It depends on so many things.

But like I'm not a fan of like, okay, if you do this, this is your punishment. I'm not going to then pile on all these other things because of that. See, I completely agree with you there. It's like, okay, you did what you did at school. Now, we are going to have a conversation about it and we're going to figure out where you lost your mind. We're going to have that conversation you never had. We're going to have that conversation when you get home. But also, you're not going to get punished at home for something that you did at school when you're receiving the punishment at school.

We've talked about this in depth years ago and I'm with you on that. I really am. Like, unless it's something that has affected your entire life, like you did something illegal or I don't fucking know. But like if you did something at school, you get punished at school, have a conversation at home and be done with it. I have a feeling he was just taking pools out of those sour patch kids and putting him in his pocket and going eat him in bathroom. Where was he getting the sour patch kids? From the pantry that he put the entire shareable bag in his backpack. And we didn't take medicine.

So now we're sugar high. We're on a sugar high as well. It's the end of the school year. I'm going to be honest. After spring break, nobody gives a fuck. I wish that we could call school after spring break because I feel so bad for the teachers and the kids. I do feel bad for the teachers that have to deal because everybody's antsy. The weather gets nice.

You want to go home. You don't want to be here. I do feel bad for the teachers. Like what I'm saying about all of this has nothing to do with the teachers. Obviously, the teachers have their hands full. But don't call me about that stuff. Don't. You're like, actually, if a teacher's listening to this and you know either.

of us. Please don't call us about it because just fix it at school. Send me an email and call it a day. Not everything needs a phone call. Well, they also call from like no caller ID. So like all the other stuff that I'm going through, I'm like, that could be somebody else calling from no caller ID. So I never answer the phone. I started saving the school's numbers as what they are because I couldn't, I don't know. They block their numbers and call me from their personal cell phone. No, that's not appropriate it either. And I'm like, why are we calling from no caller ID as if I'm answering that? No, that would irritate. I get anxiety about that because I never know what the fuck is going on in my life. I have major anxiety about that. I hate it. It's like what what what else is going to go on?

What else? What else could go on? I'm going to rage by you. Okay. Unexpected. Unexpected. Ooh. I can't wait to talk about this. So. I got a text. I got a text about the custody order that, or the, what are they called, like petitions for unexpected people. And there apparently is speculation about Hunter not being the father. We got, you sent that in our private group chat. that baby looks just like the other kid. Yes.

What I think is happening is, and I could be very far off, but this is my conspiracy theory, is that Fallon, is it Fallon or Phelan? Fallon, I think. Fallon is Bella's mom. I think that she is condoning and encouraging the sex so that Bella gets pregnant again because I believe this is my personal opinion that that baby does not belong to Hunter, but she wants Hunter to be connected to them. So she wants Bella to get pregnant a second time so that he's tied to her either way.

The craziest thing that I saw was when this creator, L.B., do you know who she is? I had her on Barely Famous. She posted all of the tweets from Fallon to Justin Bieber. Did you see that? Wait, what? Lindsay, I'm going to send them to you and you're going to shit your pants. I was shook. I have never in my fucking life seen so.

But this is a grown woman. You're going to be like, what the hell? And then Fallon tweeted me in Hobby. Wait, what? Yes. Wait, Twitter's still a thing. Yes. Well, it's X now.

But hold on. When you see this, you're going to be like, no way. Wait, like recently she did this? No, it's just like over the years. Like she's always wanted to get on TV. She's always wanted to be in the spotlight. Wait, when did she do this to you and Javi? Hold on.

at the year because someone sent it to me and I was like, uh, what in the world? Y'all, this is insane. Her tweets say, I was just really wanting a response to show my daughter when I print it off, blow it up and stick it on her wall for Christmas. Then she says, fixing to watch Missile Toast so excited. Then she says, follow me for my daughters. Follow me for my daughters, please. Then she says, I need you.

It's been a horrible week. Can you be there for me? Are you insane? No, there's hundreds of them. She's tweeting Justin Bieber, who was what, 15 years old at the time? Y'all, we're going to, we'll share this post when this episode goes live. But like, there are literally no fucking lie. Hundreds of tweets.

Like, this is a stalker, Kiel. And then there's, I can't find the DM where someone sent me the one of Javi. She tweeted me and Javi. So she knows who we are. And it was back when I'm assuming when Javi and I were married. Like actively on teen mom. Yeah, actively on teen mom. And we had said before that I believe or we both believe that she wanted to be on TV.

This is actually really concerning, but that that baby looks just like Bella's ex. Did you see it, Alessandra? And all the tweets, it kind of is just like she's obsessed with Hunter. And then I guess Hunter, well, in the petition that Hunter's dad is fighting for custody, they're outlining that the text between Fallon and Hunter are inappropriate, that there's no structure, that the influence here is detrimental to Hunter's well-being, the encouragement for inappropriate behavior is detrimental to his well-being.

Basically, like- Well, I think as a viewer, we can all say that. Hold on. I'm going to send, I'm going to read you, um, some of the stuff from the, I don't know where this even came from. Somebody got the information, but it says that upon further belief, Hunter's grades have declined and a school performance has become increasingly problematic. The first defendant has attempted to enforce reasonable household rules,

structured, discipline, and educational expectations for the minor child. However, the second defendant routinely undermines those efforts and the third parties to undermine those as well. My question is, why can the dad not get a restraining order against Fallon? Why can't he just get a restraining order? I think he has emergency custody right now. And it says that basically Fallon has allowed the minor child unrestricted freedom, or I guess, I don't know if it's Fallon or Hunter's mom, has allowed the minor child unrestricted freedom, a lack of supervision and conduct that is inappropriate for a minor child. Said conduct is harmful harmful to the minor child undermines the parent-child relationship, publicly exploits the

child in ongoing litigation, and further encourages disrespect towards the first defendant and this court's authority. Encourage the minor child to make a video during her parenting time that was released on TikTok, which is the video of, I think they're talking about the video that Hunter made against his dad. Yes. About all of this. But I am blown away by this. That child looks exactly like that.

ex-boyfriend. But Alessandra was saying that in an, I guess, deleted scene that came out from the show, that she, Fallon gets Plan B for Bella every single month as a form of birth control. Why? What is that doing? What is, I don't, when do they want her to get pregnant? This is, this is asking to be pregnant and to be able to blame something. Oh, I was on, I was taking Plan B. And to secure another storyline for the show, which is I- TLC doesn't, like, TLC needs to get it together because if they don't just get canceled as a whole after this, like what? That is abuse. I don't care what anybody says.

That is a form of abuse. It's like grooming or something. I don't even know what that is. What do you even call that? I would call it grooming. But, like, Fallon wanted to be on TV so bad. She wanted to be reckoning, like, tweeting Justin Bieber, tweeting me and Javi, I'm sure that. that's not the end of it. She's probably tweeted so many other people. Well, did you see that she was

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It's all coming together. It's just like, I'm sorry. My son loves Olivia Rodriguez and Post Malone. I'm not doing that. I remember tweeting Britney Spears when I was 18 years old and I was like wanting her to follow me on Twitter when I was 18 years old. But like what's the follow going to do? She's she's had two children and she's acting like that. It's crazy.

It's literally batshit crazy. And she needs to have a mental health evaluation to even be around the grandchild. It surprises me that because when we did teen mom, I don't know how it was with Chris Lino's best, we did extensive. um yeah you had to go do psychological evaluations and that's why i'm like i cannot get behind any of these tlc shows because look at all of the fucking dysfunction that comes out of that and then they're literally airing like i don't know if it aired on the actual show or if it was like just a ticot clip or whatever it was but did you see that ticot clip of them talking about butt stuff what yeah they were talking about but

stuff. And I'm like, why are we airing this stuff? If the whole intent is to show a behind the scene's view of these kids having children, why are we encouraging the behavior? Yeah, they're in a situation, right? Why are we encouraging worse behavior than what's already happened? I thought the show was called unexpected. It is. Not planned. Correct. Correct. if it was called planned what is that that like why is that so much more frequent than has ever been before right like with these grown women seeking out i always blame everything on social media teenage male validation though like we're talking because becky told me about noa beck's sister which i didn't know who that was i don't know who that is so noa beck is like a famous ticotker

and his like i think he was in the hype house and his sister is a teacher is a teacher and had sexual relationships with, no, he had sexual relationships with two teachers. So two teachers in the same school were having a sexual relationship with this teenage boy. And then we have Fallon. And then we have the mom from the Netflix documentary who was like, I think also obsessed with the son. What is with grown women trying to get teenage male validation? What is that?

Why is that happening? Because full transparency, it doesn't surprise me when a man does it to a woman. a teenage girl. It's disgusting, but it doesn't surprise me because they're men. But for a woman to do it, what is wrong with you mentally? We're saying that because we're women. I feel like it's just as weird for a man to be doing it. But unfortunately, I feel like it's probably, I don't, at this point, I don't even know if it's fair to say it's more common for men to do it. Because we see all this stuff all over the fucking news of teachers getting with students. And I mean, it is wild. It's equally disturbing, but I just, you hear about it more with a man to a teenage girl.

I don't understand the, I don't understand either one of, either of it. Everyone knew in the Noah Beck's. What? Even the girlfriend knew. The teenage boy's girlfriend knew and thought it was weird, but I guess the teacher was giving them her credit card and going, saying, oh, you can go get food on my credit card. So they would leave for lunch and would be like, don't have her bring me my food. You bring me my food, but would pay for her food too.

And the mom of the teenage boy knew that he was fucking the teacher but didn't do anything about it. That is full-blown predatory behavior. Yes. And then giving them money to incentivize almost, I guess. Apple cash for compliments is insane. But what is the mental illness? Yeah. And why is there a surge in this?

Like why is I guess social media, but like why social media? Like why would social media encourage this behavior? I don't know because I was having a conversation with somebody the other day and I'm like, look back at what we looked like when we were in high school. I was wearing her mure shorts till I was 13. Like cargoes, girl. Like Jorts was a Jortson back in the early 2000s. Yeah.

You know, like we were rolling around in umbrose. We were- Wheelies. We were-heelies. Healy's. Not, we were not what girls look like in high school today. Boys are not what boys were not what boys look like in high school today. It is something with society.

with social media with, I mean, there are girls that live around here that are in high school, that their parents are paying for Botox, lip injections. High school? Yes. Botox, lip injections, hair extensions. But what about the women with the teenage boys? I can't, I don't, I'm not able to wrap. Even Bella with Hunter, with Bella being 15 and Hunter being 12 or 14 and 12, whatever that was,

even that's weird to me. It's also weird to me, but I think what we figured out after we recorded the last episode that we talked about this was that they were only like one grade difference in school. Yeah, but their ages. Correct. Yeah. So one age difference, it's still nothing would be, I'm thinking back to when I started having sex.

I was having sex with someone that was my same age. Like I would never have looked below. Never. Like never. Never. I could never think about, I mean, I have younger siblings and I'm like, I couldn't like, I played with Barbies until I was 13. Oh, I played with Barbies way too long.

So did I. Like I was playing house. I had, you know, all the couches. And to the point where when Barbie and Ken are in a full-blown relationship and we're having children, I needed to stop playing with Barbies. 1,000% same. I just, I don't, I don't, there's something, it's a, I'm not saying it's okay. I just want to reiterate because you know people will listen to this and take it and run.

I'm not saying it's okay for older men with teenage girls. but what I am saying is that it's equally disturbing for an older woman to a teenage boy. And that's even weirder because women are like, what are you doing? But it's also weird to me. And I know we're talking about a 14 and a 15 year old and a what, 13 year old. Right. Okay. I get that.

But then I also look back on my last relationship. And I'm like, what business did I have being in that with 16 years of a gap? See, I don't think that's weird. like because you were both adults and because you both had um one child divorce like there was a lot of commonalities there so for me i don't that to me is not super weird now obviously if you were 16 and he was 16 years older i was being born and he was graduating from high school but he wasn't attracted to you then do you know what i mean like it do you know what i mean i mean i mean i mean i mean i get it but at the same time, I'm just like, if you're consistently going after someone that much younger than you,

I would say it's weird. Elijah is an anomaly for me. I would not ever date someone younger than me. But the relationship I was in, that person consistently dated younger, significantly younger women. The Noah Beck sister, such, I don't know her name. I can't remember her name. That student that she had a relationship with also had a relationship with another teacher in the same school. and he was a dick to her. Like he was so fucking rude to her. Was this kid an athlete? Like what was, what's the background of the kid?

I think he played football. He had a girlfriend, very pretty. She made a TikTok about it talking about the experience and how like. But how traumatizing is that? She said it wasn't her place. She said she didn't tell because she didn't think it was her place. Which, okay. And I told Becky this because we talked about it.

Obviously I saw the TikTok after we spoke about it on Carma and Chaos. And I said to her, I texted Becky and I said, I'm a little conflicted here because obviously the one in the wrong is the teacher, right? Like Noah Beck's sister is no doubt, hands down, in the wrong. But I do feel like everyone who knew about it that didn't report it also has some level of responsibility and fault. But aren't. The kids too, though. I feel like the kids do too, because I asked. But how many other teachers knew about it that are also mandated reporters? All of them. And the principal. And the parents. Haley, that's right. Because I, so I asked, this sparked a conversation in my household. And I said to,

Lincoln and I said to Elliot, like, if one of your friends was having an inappropriate or what you felt like would be inappropriate relationship with their teacher, would you tell somebody? And they both said, yes. Now, do I know that for a fact? No, I can only take their word for it. But I really hope that they would tell somebody. Now, if something is done about it, we don't know. We can't, we can only go to authorities and then hope for the best. But at the end of the day, the amount of people that knew about the Haley Beck situation and didn't do anything about it, same for Bella and Hunter. The amount of people that knew that that was going on and they were having sex and nobody

thought to tell authorities like, hey, this is a grooming situation. Why was that never reported to like Department of Social Services or Child Protective Services? Like, why has there not been any type of investigation on something like that? And that Noah Beck situation, all teachers are mandated reporters. So what does that look like? But was that because I don't know about this situation? was it a emotional thing or it was physical as well? No, they had sex.

Wow. Where do kids have sex like with a teacher? He went to her apartment. He also... Her apartment. Went to her parents' house with her. And she was paying for them to like students to like eat and stuff, giving them their debit card to like go get food off campus.

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There was an article that came out last year about my one of the, because I went to two, different high schools. The first high school that I went to, like something came out about him. But I've never had a close, like I had a close relationship with a teacher, but it was never on that level. We never saw each other outside of school. I went to his classroom. He was more of like an advisor. And I would ask him about like school stuff, but like never in my whole life have I ever had an inappropriate relationship with or even borderline inappropriate relationship with a teacher. The only thing I can think back was when I was in high school, so I would have been a junior. And it was alleged that one teacher was doing things with girls and the class above me.

And we never had any proof of that, but it was just kind of like the demeanor of the teacher, kind of like, oh, there probably is something going on. And I had classes, this specific class, I don't want to say too many details about it in case anybody's listening, but this specific class I had with a bunch of seniors when I was a junior. And some of these girls never turned in work for that class ever and were passing the class with flying colors. So it's like what really was going on. Okay.

Let's take morals and ethics out of it, right? What do you think as the teacher, as the adult? what do you think is going to happen here? You think you're not going to get caught? How do you trust that this student is not going to fucking out you? Yeah, the power dynamic is very, very valid. I think I would actually text you not too long ago and I sent you a screenshot of an arrest of somebody that is around here and was arrested on grooming charges. And I was able to pull up the arrest warrant and it was literally like various forms of communication via social media, via text message, via third party.

With a 16-year-old minor, this man is in his 50s, a coach, a baseball coach for club, a baseball coach for rec, a basketball coach for rec. And I'm like, why is my head going? It doesn't matter if it was a boy or girl, but I'm like, I know these people, I would say, fairly well. He's constantly around boys, and I think they only have a male child. So I'm like, where would he have been able to groom a female child? You know, like, I'm... They just think it's never going to get out.

They think that nobody's ever going to tell on them. They think they can keep it up and keep it a secret for... I think a lot of kids, and I actually talk to Jackson about this because I said, hey, like, if you ever feel something as like off with a friend or a teacher or a coach or whatever, you need to go to someone. You don't have to come to me or dad, but like you need to go to someone and report that because that is absolutely terrifying. Like this man is all over our county doing.

all of these sports, whether it be like volunteer or a coach at a club, whatever it is, arrested for grooming a 16-year-old child. It's almost like hidden in plain sight. Like if I do it beneath everybody's nose, I don't have, I won't get caught because I almost think it's that. They can cover it up with, oh, I was just coaching them. They're actually the most unexpected people. Yeah, because like Haley Beck, you didn't think with your brother being who he is,

like you never thought you were going to get caught. You never thought that this was going to come out. You never thought that if you didn't play your cards right, that someone wouldn't out you. Like, have you lost your fucking mind? But that's also a mental illness. It is. It is. Fallon, Haley Beck, this guy that you're talking about, like all of it. That's a mental illness. It certainly is. Oh, Alessandra is saying that there is a woman that is being very vocal about her pedophilia. She is attracted to young children three and five years old and she's talking about it. She has claimed that she's never acted on it. You know, and there's, I guess, discourse online about whether or not pedophiles should be talking about it for research purposes and to, I don't know, for awareness, I guess, or should we shun them and you should never talk about it.

No, I want to know who you are. And also, we need to, if there is help or treatment, we should be able to do the research. But also it's like, because what's the alternative to that is not knowing. and then they can't control their impulses, and then they're doing it to children. It's not good either way. They're going to be shunned either way. So to me,

you might as well talk about it and be shunned, then to be shunned out about it later on and be shunned. But why aren't we talking about it to a professional and a therapeutic or a therapeutic setting or a doctor? Why are we on TikTok talking about it? I think that's... That woman, okay. And my opinion may change in the future,

But right now I feel like if you're talking about it and you are acknowledging that you are a pedophile, you need to be institutionalized immediately because you are a threat to society. She's a baby son and she's applying to work at preschools. She needs to be institutionalized. I think if you're willing to admit and you know you have a problem, you have to be in a facility. But do you think that people like that can be rehabbed at all? No. I don't think they can't either.

I think that's just to their core, who they are as a human being and the way they're wired. that can't be fixed, right? Like, but you need people like that are a threat to society. So you have to be institutionalized. You need to be essentially in captivity. But why would you go on TikTok, openly talk about this and then be applying to preschools for a job? Like that feels counterintuitive. If you know, if you're acknowledging that you are a pedophile, why are you applying to preschools?

And you have these impulses. So in this book, Saving Noah, this teenage boy, he has two. parents and a little sister. And he ultimately without this is, there's going to be spoilers. So if you have not read Saving Noah and it's on your TBR, skip 15 minutes. Essentially, he, he wants to commit suicide. He wants assisted suicide. He wants his mom to help him with suicide because he knows that he can never be rehabbed. He understands and he does not want to continue to perpetuate the cycle. He has touched little children, and he wants to kill himself. And so his mom ultimately makes the hard decision of helping him commit suicide. Oh, wow. Now, see, how do we feel about assisted suicide?

Because in a situation like that, if somebody cannot be rehabbed, I think that love the self-awareness. I'm for it. Love, love the fact that you just want to be taken out because you are a nuisance to society. You're a threat to society. So I'm for it. I'm for it too. And I don't want to compare humans to dogs, but we put dogs. If they're inbred and they're aggressive, we put them down. If there is something so severely wrong with a person and they are asking because they cannot control and they're aware of it and they're willing and they're telling you I want to kill myself, I feel like why are we not respecting their wishes, but we'll put a dog down for, and I'm not trying to compare it human state. I'm just saying like the, what is the word I'm looking for? Humane.

I agree that it's humane. If there was something so wrong with me, like I just did my estate, my updated my living will, my estate plan, my trust, all of the things. Not that I would be a threat if I'm incapacitated, but I'm not serving a purpose. I'm not here doing anything. Please let me go. You know, if I'm in a state of mind where I am a threat to society, also let me go. I agree with you. I wholeheartedly agree with that. That's going to be a hot take. Some people are not going to agree with that. But if you're a pedophile and you're acknowledging that you're a pedophile, you need to be euthanized.

But also institutionalizing, what is the answer? Because you and I've had this conversation before about prisons and putting pedophiles in prisons. That's not the answer. But institutionalizing them is also not the answer. getting rid of them is. I also worry about pedophilia is that hereditary. So if one person, if a parent has it, has children, is that, because that to me, it would be a mental illness, the same way that depression, you can have a genetic predisposition to it or things like that. Could that be the same thing with pedophilia? So for me, it's like, okay, institutionalized in terms of,

okay, well, could they live a productive life institutionalized, never around children, but they're working in a factory with other adults, right? So they're productive members of society, but never around children. Okay, I could get behind that, I think. So they're with other pedophiles. So then you have to look at the quality of life too, is like them living in a facility and doing work for a company or a factory or something like that. What quality of life is that? If they can't go anywhere. But I think people listening to this, like, I have looked into like sex offender registries and all kinds of stuff. I think people would be amazed if you actually looked in your area just where you live alone. How many people are on a sex offender registry?

It's terrifying. Dated somebody one time and he rented. So went from like one house to another house, looked up the sex offender registry and three houses down from him around the corner was a registered sex offender. Should they be allowed to live or rent homes? Like in a rental neighborhood, should they be allowed to rent? No. No. No. But if we if we institutionalized every person that was like a pedophile on a sex offender registry, there would not be enough space. So then what do you do? Well, if they're institutionalized, they would be like in a facility. I know, but I'm saying there wouldn't be enough space in facilities. If the answer was we're going to institutionalize all pedophiles or people on sex offender registries. Here's the thing, though, there's a difference between the sex offender,

because I have heard of people going on the sex offender registry that it was a situation where, where there was a two-year age gap and he turned 18 before she did. And now you're on the side. That's not. To me, that's not fair. So I do think that there's a different. I'm talking like true pedophilia. There was a state that recently just did pedophiles will now be executed by way of,

what is the firearm one? Firing squad. Firing squad. I forget what state it is. Tennessee, maybe? I just saw that too. I think it is. I think it's Tennessee.

They said that pedophiles will now be executed by firing squad. and I'm for it. I am all for that too. I'm for it. And I, who wouldn't? Like, is there one single person that would be against that? Oh, it's not humane. Okay, well, neither is pedophilia.

So take the gamble. Okay, if you were in jail and you were on death row and you could be either, what's that, what's it called? Like, where they give you the drug. Euthanized? You could be euthanized or die by firing squad, which would you choose? I'm getting, I'm going to dive by. firing squad. You don't know what gun it's coming out of. There's every, there's only one gun that

has the bullet and every other gun has blinks. You don't feel like they would be the same, like the anticipation would be the same. No. I would be scared of convulsing. Yeah, that's what, you know, yeah. I would be scared of convulsing, like feeling it and going through it. I would be scared of that. And if it takes a minute where like if you get shot in the head by firing squad, I would hope it's instantaneous. Are they allowed to shoot you in the head? Like, where do they, every other gun on the fire so like firing squad lines up and somebody's dying by firing squad they line up with the guns every gun but one gun has basically dummy bullets and the the people who were firing don't know who shot the person i did not know that lindsay's the first person that ever

told me about firing squad i'm pretty sure i didn't know that firing squad was a thing um i think for the for the sole purpose of the instantaneous, I'd have to go firing squad. So I'm just scared of. Also, I have a really high tolerance for medicine. So I'm talking like Xanax for my surgeries, my adderall, anything. I have such a high tolerance that I would be in fear that they would give me a dose that is not strong enough. Do you watch for firing squad? Do people watch that? I don't know. I know lethal injections people watch. And I wouldn't imagine the same thing happen and you're not dying from it right away and somebody has to see that. I know.

Because when I did my externship, not an internship, an externship for dental assisting, I did one with oral surgery where they were pulling wisdom teeth. And I had no idea until this moment that some people convulse when they are sedated for wisdom teeth extraction. And I was in the fucking room. Where someone was convulsing? And they had to strap her down while she was. And I don't I wouldn't want someone to see that like if my kid if I like was on death row and they did that to me.

My kids had to see that. I wouldn't want that. I've seen so many stories speaking of wisdom teeth. I've seen so many stories about people getting like fondled and dittled. Yeah. I've seen that. They're not pulling wisdom teeth like they used to anymore. If they're impacted, they're not pulling them anymore.

What do they do? Leave them. Because they're not coming through the gums. It's only if they're coming through the gums that they're starting like at least where I live. They said that if they're impacted. and they're not causing pain and they're not erupted all the way, they are not extracting anymore. Really?

Because mine never came through. Like, they were sore. Two of them were sore. So they were like, we'll just pull all of them. But if they're not coming through the gums at all, you're not getting them removed. I got my wisdom teeth out when I was a freshman in college, I think. But Jackson, we actually just went to the orthodontist because I'm doing invisibleine. I made the decision on invisibleine instead of doing veneers.

I feel like it's just like the healthiest thing for my teeth. Plus, I don't really have bad teeth. They're just crooked on the bottom. So I'm going to do that. He said I'll be an invisible lime for a year. But he Jackson had an appointment on the same day as me to just like check movement for his teeth and stuff. And when they did this scan, he already has his four wisdom teeth. He's 13. And he already has them? He already has them. They haven't come through. But advise me to have them taken out by the time he's 15 before. he goes back into a second set of braces. Do they project that they're going to erupt? That's why. Yeah. But if they're impacted, they won't. Yeah. Well, I don't know about here, but like I said, at home.

Anyways. Okay, so we just were jibber jabbering and almost ran out of time. So we're going to do foul play. Hey, Kail and Lindsay, I've got a good foul play for y'all. Sadly, my mom reminds me a lot of Kail's mom, alcoholic, neglectful, selfish, all the things. Anyway, when I was in middle school, I remember her telling me we were moving to Ohio and we lived in Kansas at the time. We weren't taking anything with us but some clothes. She met a married couple online and said that they were her friends. Mind you, she never met them,

never heard her talk about them before. When we moved, I started noticing weird behavior. They all three shared the same bedroom, the same bed. I would see them cuddling with each other. So finally I realized, finally I realized they were all, finally I realized they were all a thing. Ew, I was so disgusted as a child and confused. I'm not sure what ended up. happening, but something went down. They kicked me and my mother out of the house. We moved back to Kansas. Not long after this, she did the same thing. We moved about two hours away to live with another married couple. The husband was in the army and we lived at Fort Riley. This time, my mother had become the favorite and the thruple. Me and the other kids involved in this shit were told

to tell people that my mom was the nanny. Yeah, sure, that's believable. My husband, the husband and wife got into a huge fight. The wife ended up moving out and they got divorced. Not long after that, he married my mother and then got a dishonorable discharge from the army. This guy was a huge piece of shit. I can't even begin to tell you the things that I've seen. Crazy to think about now and wonder how in the world parents can put their child through some shit like this. I looked at my own kids and I cannot fathom.

I wish you would have just left me with my grandma and did this all on her own. I would have been better off. I always, okay, so we know that in any two-person relationship, whether you're married, you're straight, you're gay, bisexual, whatever. We know there's always a possibility of breaking up, whether there's kids involved or not. Yes. Fine. Fair, whatever. Not ideal, but it happens, right? When you add a third party and there's children involved and you know that there is no security in the situation like that, what she's describing, she has no ties to these other people and her mother put her in the position to could be kicked out at any time. Also, how dangerous is that

to just be moving in with strangers. And, you know, I feel like a thruple, not something that I would do, but I just feel like that's such a risky thing to just, like, move our kids hours away to be a part of a thruple. And like, what is? And I don't know, like, to each their own, raise your kids however you want to. I'm just saying how I'm raising mine, I wouldn't be comfortable just moving Jackson across state lines to go and be in a thruple and be sleeping in the same bed. Like that's so weird. Like to go from zero to a hundred. Yeah. Right. Like that's like such an extreme. But also to have no security,

you have no skin in the game, right? Like you are not, you don't own the house. You're going to get you could get kicked out. Like my whole thing is security. Right. So like because there's kids involved, I could not picture my mom did it to me. Like my whole life. It was my mom and me moving in with somebody. It was never the other way around. And I feel like there's no security in that in and of itself. So already you're setting the bar in hell. And now you're sleeping with these two other people in a room. And you have no explanation for your kid.

You've uprooted her. You have confused her. Like I don't so much have a problem with the with the thruple, right? Like that's not an issue for me. Because I'm now thinking talking about this out loud. It's like Aspen Ovar. That's one more parent to love your child. Yes.

But she also, she didn't come with. kids did she? Yeah. She did come with kids. Aspen has her own kids. Aspen has three kids. Are you going to watch Secret Lives and Mormon Wives, the OC? Yes. I'm also going to watch it. So she went with the Thruple and she has kids. I thought that the other, I thought the couple had kids and she went. Aspen has three kids with her ex-husband Parker. Okay. And now she's in the Thruple. So she, Aspen posted something about like her life and I get to to I get to spend my life with my babies or something. I thought that that was the married couple of kids and that she was referring to them as her babies. I didn't know that they were her. Those are actually

her babies. I'm fine with a thruple. What I'm not fine with is a lack of security. And I, and that goes for all relationships, whether there's two or three. But we're not judging somebody doing it, but it's how it's done. Correct. Correct. Same way for a regular relationship, gay, straight, whatever. It's how it's done. And, you know, I've gotten a lot of backlash. for my situations, but I've known Ike since high school. He wasn't a stranger. And he can stand on his two feet and he moved in with me. So if at any point it didn't work out, I'm not uprooting my children. If it didn't work out, he could leave. But I'm so interested in like, because to me, like, hearing the word thruple just seems taboo in my world, but I'm not saying it is. Just in my world,

I can't wait to watch that like unfold on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives OC. Because Aspen has gone out on TikTok and said that like she's so excited to be able to like just live authentically and like share her story. I I do love that for her. Like I do. And I think from what I've seen on social media, like they really do have like a little routine and a little cute. Listen, they're the most precious couple. I think that when you do it the right, any relationship the right way, it can it can blossom into something really cool. But when you do things like this one that wrote in for foul play, like that's disturbing. Well, it's dysfunctional.

Yeah. And at the point that, because also, too, you have to think about it. When you're raising kids in it from a young age, they don't know any different. Correct. When you're all the sudden just uprooting your young child or teenage child. And by young, I mean like tweens and then teens and you're uprooting them and then dropping them into the situation with no explanation. But think about those ages.

Think about those ages. You're really just figuring yourself out as a human being. in your teenage years and those are such important times of life. To your point, if this is going on they're two years old and that's normal in their world, they don't know any different from that. Right. Right. Like my kids don't know any different from running up and down the driveway between me and Elijah. That's not normal for a lot of people. Correct. Yeah. But they don't know any different, right? That is their norm. But if I was to do that when they're 15 and 16 years old, they might be like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah. And why are we?

neighbors with dad. My kids didn't know I dated Malik. My kids didn't know I dated Dom. They thought they were just my friends. Just your friends. Now we have open conversations about it because my kids are older. Yeah. They don't really remember Dom as much. Elliot kind of does. And Elliot kind of remembers Malik, but not really. And like now I'll say like I dated them. But at the time, they had no idea. I used to make Malik sleep in the guest room. So you don't know what the dynamic is inside the house. And my kids never saw Dom sleepover. So they didn't know. They didn't know what it was.

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