Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - School Stress, Trust Issues & Contract Clauses

Episode Date: October 26, 2023

CC314: The various tech involved with going to school and keeping up with the changes has Kail and Lindsie stressing. Petition to bring back paper calendars in school! A listener brings up a topic revolving around communication with exes and asks Kail how she is able to do it, and Lindsie shares the triggers she has had to overcome after her last relationship. A question about TV contracts has Lindsie sharing some tea on what USA Network tried to do when she was starting Coffee Convos podcast. Someone else asks about cheating and down the rabbithole we go on all the various apps people have been caught cheating. For Foul Play - reminder to make sure your dog is NOT in the room during sex! Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more! Thank you to our sponsors! Apartments: Visit Apartments.com, a place to find a place Factor: Use code coffeeconvos50 at FactorMeals.com/coffeeconvos50 to get 50% off! Kiwico: Get 50% off your first month on ANY crate line at kiwico.com/COFFEE Progressive: Visit progressive.com to learn more

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say, thank you? This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship,

family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. Good morning. anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kailin Lindsay. Good morning. My best one is not going to repost this. We both are flicking each other off. Good morning. Coffee Convos podcast. Good morning Kailin Lowry. Good morning. Would you like to know what I've been doing and why I was five minutes late to this recording. Yeah, I do want to know.

My legs were spread wide open at the WAC studio. Oh, okay. And it took a little bit longer than I expected today. So apologize for that. Did you have a mishap or? No, there was actually no mishap. I needed to go and pick up a bracelet from the jeweler and I got there like a couple minutes late so it went like a little bit later than I expected and I also decided that it was a good idea that I was going to go to Target and buy everything in the store so.

Great did you get your greens? Pardon? Greens. I got a coffee. You went to Target to get a coffee? I got a coffee. You went to Target to get a coffee? No honey, I went to Target like every other normal suburban mom and got a coffee and okay, what's your like go-to coffee order at Starbucks? Brown sugar shake and espresso? That's like every time? Or, or, um, Frente Mananella iced latte with sweet cream cold foam. Okay. I don't know how to do all the cold foam stuff, but

You can just add it to anything. But cold foam kind of sounds like it would be like cool whip or whip cream. Sort of. And I don't fuck with that. Got it. So I got same order that I've been getting from Starbucks. I mean, we know I break up all the time, but like same order that I've been getting for years.

And it's just a caramel iced latte with caramel drizzle, Southern almond milk. So no one shits their pants when you deal with lactose issues. I started getting oat milk for that reason. You did? Does it help?

Yeah. Yeah, it does. I haven't tried the oat milk thing, but also I'm going to need every single person to go to Target or go on their website and get this because it is a dupe for the Lulu lemon, you know, like the little Lulu lemon half sips. Yeah. Like I don't even know how much they are. I have two of them, but they're probably like $200 and just like so stupid to spend that kind of money on clothes. This was $25 and it's an actual drink dupe for Lulu lemon. for Dup for Lulun. I don't go to Target, like I go once every couple months just because it's so far.

And Kristen told me that they were having a 20% off sale the other day, so I was like, okay, cool, like let me go on there. And Creed's still in diapers and pull-ups now. And specifically for diapers and wipes, it was like, spend $100, get a $20 gift card. So I'm like, okay, dumbass, me didn't read the whole shit. And it's like, her car side pickup. I don't go there because it's on the other side of town. Like, it's 30 minutes from my house, but in the direction of things that I don't ever go to. So like,

I drive 30 minutes to and from regular places all the time, but but in the direction of things that I don't ever go to. So like I drive 30 minutes to and from regular places all the time, but not in that direction of town. So it was my order was ready for pickup on Tuesday. Oh, and you still haven't gone to get it. Correct. I'm sure there's a lot of people on here that can teach us how to like shop better. But like how do you find the deals? Call Kristen. Um, because I never find the deals and honestly the little papers that they post, um, it's probably like other retailers too, but like specifically at Target, it's like if you buy three of these, you'd get like a $5 gift card or whatever.

But then there's fine print and it's like, it's gotta be like these specific three or these, whatever. And it's like, fuck it, just whatever. Just keep your gift card, it's fine. I always- The gift card is fine. I always get this every single time I go to Target. The tree cut. Lux just finished mine in the shower

and I was like, Lux, if you ever use that much of my body scrub ever again, and he's like, but there wasn't that much left. And I'm like, it was literally half a jar. Like there was half a jar and you used all of it. And he's like, but it wasn't that much. Um, first of all, Jackson probably thinks, okay, any other parent are specifically a mom that's listening to this because we only have like two dads.

Um, any other parent tell their kids every single time you bring something in the house, specifically a mom that's listening to this because we only have like two dads. Any other parent tell their kids every single time you bring something in the house, like this is only for moms. Cause I do that all the time. Like when Jackson was to take shower in my shower, because it has like multiple heads in there. And for whatever reason, I don't know why a 10 year old needs to have

like three shower heads, but like not gonna get into that. I will tell him, hey, like do not rummage through my products in here. Like this shit is expensive and a luxury and you're just to use body wash and shampoo shampoo and conditioner. Like that's it. Like, no, not being my sugar scrub. Do not be in like my moist my in shower moisturizer. Like don't touch any of my shit. Don't touch my stuff. I really had to start putting my kid I had to put start putting my kids stuff in my shower.

So we'd use their own stuff instead of mine. Why do we do that though? Why do we let our kids take showers and our showers when they have their own shower? First of all, my kids are not only showering in my bathroom, they're sleeping in my room. They're dragging the nugget couches into my room and sleeping in my room. Like why? First of all, you're not making a mess in the house. Like that's number one. So you're dragging nothing anywhere. And number two, I have gotten so,

I'm honestly really proud of myself. Jackson hasn't slept in my room and everybody's gonna harass me about this, but I really don't care. Yes, I know he's 10 and yes, I know it's only been like two months since he's not slept in my room. But in his bed every single night, by the time 830 rolls around,

like I better not hear any electronic I better not hear a peep of a TV Don't ask for water if you're parched you should have decided that you were parched at 8 29 I have to cut lux off like an hour before bed because he'll have an accident The other kids they usually take waters to their rooms, which is fine. Yeah, I don't care about the waters to the room. I need to speak with you because I'm highly bothered. I am highly bothered by, not bothered, bothered sounds like I'm complaining.

I am complaining, but it just sounds a little bit abrasive. I'm not bothered. I wish there was a better system. Having multiple children in the same school district, yeah, they're at different schools, but the same school district and every single classroom is using a different app. No. What do you mean? I would say one is on class tag, one is on dojo, one is on something else. And it's just, I wish that the school district itself

was required to use one app. And I get it, everyone has their preferences and stuff, but just for the people who are parents or guardians of multiples, it makes it really confusing to know which ones to check, which ones to stay on top of, which ones, like, and then some people, some classrooms will have you sign up for an app and then they don't use it.

And then it's like, I just wasted my time. I wish that each district had like used one designated app. Okay, well not too long ago, I specifically was having this issue. Okay. And I know that everything's electronic now, very limited to what comes home. They're actually using class electronic systems to submit assignments that they're doing like within the classroom. It's crazy. Like for, you know how used to when we were in school, you would

get like a paper calendar and it would have like all the things on it, like in a communications folder and I don't know why I couldn't have been parenting in the 90s because that's more suited for me. Me logging on to a program to look at an electronic calendar. It's a mess. And then to tap around. And if you miss something, you're fucked. It's just like, I have so much respect for people who take online classes because I'm not one, I'm not tech savvy to you.

You miss clicking around on something and you're fucked. It's the same with with the apps and stuff. Like, yeah, they're designed to make things more convenient, but also they're not because I have three different ones. And just like you said, you have to tap around and it's like, don't forget this day for this and this day for that. I'm not even getting emails.

Like I'm not... So I had a school conference not too long ago and I told the teachers I was like listen, I'm not trying to put anybody on the spot like in this conference. But number one, the first thing I'm going to address is the fact that the math doesn't math because I didn't learn math that way. And you need to upload an answer key for parents to help their kids.

So that we can help our children properly because I need to make sure that I'm getting the right answer. So I'm not teaching. Yeah, like they do things so differently. Every class, so we have one lucky for us, which I would quite literally pass away. If I was dealing with your situation for us, which I would quite literally pass away if I was dealing with your situation.

For us, we log in to like one system and everything is there, but you still have to tap around to like the different courses to see the calendars for each thing. So like science, math, language art, social studies all has their own thing. They have their own dates for stuff. And so it's really hard to keep up with.

And while I understand in fourth grade, specifically for Jackson, they're trying to teach them a level of responsibility and accountability. Totally, and I get that. I totally get that. And they do need to learn those things, but the jumps from third grade to fourth grade are huge.

And it was like they were bringing home nothing in third grade. And now fourth grade, they're not only switching classes. So they're in one classroom for part of the day, another classroom for the second part of the day. And last year, they just had one desk and everything stayed in their school desk. Now everything stays in the backpack because they have a homeroom and then a second block,

so they don't have designated desk. And these folders, they have a folder for like each subject, a composition book for each subject. And the papers come home like wrinkled up where Jackson's like shoved them in there. I have no idea what's supposed to be for home. No idea what's supposed to be for school, what we're supposed to be studying for. They have all of these tests, all of these quizzes. And it's hard when you're co-parenting because when we split the week, so will has him on Mondays and Tuesdays and I have him on Wednesdays and Thursdays. So I sent Will a text yesterday and it was kind of funny actually. I said, how are we going to divide this through the, how are we going to divorce

this through the week? I said divide not divorce already did that. Not divorce. Fuckers didn't respond. And it's like, okay, there's a, so for example, they'll have a word quiz that they're having every single week, and the teacher uploads a PowerPoint on this online thing. And you have it's your responsibility to go on there and like print it off for your kids for them to learn. Like I don't know, but I pay taxes. So I'm confused why I'm using my printer at home

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We have like something called home access center do y'all use that? Mm hmm. So that's like to check grades, your schedule, update your like information like phone number, email address, stuff like that. I think you can maybe communicate with teachers on there. I'm not entirely sure, but I the only way that I'm able to see like day to day stuff is in each individual app. And again, like to your point, like clicking around. Also, you just brought up a really crazy point that I didn't think of. So Isaac has even in odd days

and he has different classes on the even days and different classes on odd days. He's gonna have to bring all of his stuff to school on Monday to go back to Joe's because I think today's an even day. Whatever day it is, he's gonna have to bring all the stuff Monday because his dad will pick him up for that week.

But it's just a lot and I just, I don't know, I wish, I wish making apps wasn't so expensive too because that would be cool if it was just like our district and then the school. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah. You know, and then like, but then also too, when I was, there was a whole incident. You remember last year when I talked about Isaac, getting beat up or whatever? Unfortunately, yes. That has carried on to this year with this site, the same student. And so I called because he ended up in two of the classes and then one of the lunches and blah, blah, blah, blah. And so I called

about the schedule or whatever. And she's like, we have 1,100 students and this, that, and the third. And so it's like, it sounds like everything, all of these things that we're suggesting would be good. And in theory, they would be good, but like, ultimately, I don't know how you would, how they would be able to do that with the amount of students they have.

I don't know. There's just so much like shuffling and stuff around that it's crazy. And I'm trying, we're still in the process of trying to figure out when you split your school week, and now it makes sense as to why some people just decide to have their kids all week in one house, and then the other parent has on the weekends,

which is totally not fair. But from a logistical standpoint, education wise, it does make more sense because at least you're doing it all all week. You know what I mean? Right. Instead of it being split up because I'm like, okay, am I I probably need to help with like the reading and the vocabulary words like the the math is definitely something Will's gonna do because like I don't math, so. I don't math either. And I also, you brought up a really good point with like,

cause Lincoln's in fourth grade too. And even Isaac, if he needs help, should I don't even know where Lux is at in first grade? I don't know what kind of math they're learning. I have no idea. They need to upload not just the answer key because I can't explain, they're gonna have to upload the steps because I can't explain to my first grader or my fourth grader how, why their answer is wrong when they think they're doing

the correct steps. I don't, I never even thought of that either. Yeah, it's just, listen, it's for the birds. And I was telling Kristin, on this other NT, not too long ago, I was like, and this is why people homeschool, because quite literally the amount of time that I spend on these apps and trying to figure out a schedule and go through the fricking backpack, I've spent half my damn evening going through that. So I'm like, I would just rather, and I say this

until I would actually do it and then be like, I now understand why I'm like, I would just rather, and I say this until I would actually do it and then be like, I now understand why I'm not homeschooling you because you drive me frickin nuts. Well, I also, the teachers probably don't know what to do and what to make, how to make it easier for each kid if they have a classroom that's moving students 100 times. And so it's like, I don't even know. I don't know. I need a paper calendar sent home with me

with all the due dates. That's all I need. Same. That's what I said. If I could just be an advocate for bringing things back old school. I don't care about anything online. Quite literally, I don't want to go online.

I just need a paper calendar. I have a printed paper calendar that has all of Jackson's specials on the front of my refrigerator so I can make sure that he doesn't get docked for wearing crocs. First of all, I need to talk to you about crocs, but like, so he doesn't get docked for wearing crocs to me.

On a gym day. So I have like that on my calendar or on my refrigerator to just like make sure that I'm, you know, at least I'm on topic specials. Do your kids just wanna wear Crocs to school all the time? No, they haven't. This has been a new thing this year for Jackson.

And actually yesterday was the first time he ever sat out an outfit and I kind of was alarmed like I've dressed him forever for forever. Like he never requests to wear something regularly like it's just whatever I put out in the bathroom is like what he puts on. Please tell me why this child put out a pair of fresh Jordans. Period. Long Jordan socks.

What's the deal with this new fad of boys wearing like the shorts that are shorter and the football players wearing crop tops. I just like what what the hell's going on. So the shorter version of shorts, a hoodie. Who kid? A heat, a heat hat. Like what the fuck are you wearing that to? Well, like we're not, we're not going to like what are you doing? And then a chain that I had never seen.

And I'm like, first of all, like, where did this chain come from? And he's like, Oh, dad's girlfriend bought it for me. And I'm like, Oh, good. It's got like two, it's like an Atlanta Braves chain. And it's like long. And it's got like two charms on it or whatever they call them. And yeah, pendants. Yeah. And I was like, oh, good.

Good. So I guess that's what we're wearing to the school today. That's like Creed. He only wants to wear crew socks. He doesn't want to wear the low socks now. It's the crew socks, he wants to be able to pull them up. And then Lux got upset with me. So Lux took on what Lincoln does,

laying out the outfits the night before. Well, Lux also took it upon himself to lay out Creed's outfits. Lux was very upset this morning when Creed wasn't wearing the outfit that he picked out and he was wearing something else. I said, well, nobody knew that you've been picking out these outfits for him. So you have to tell us where these outfits are so we can make sure that he wears

them. But also, I'm choosing my battles. I'm not I'm I talked about this last year, I think about like the black socks with white shoes and white shoes, whatever. Literally don't care anymore. Fucking petty. Like literally just don't care. My three year old, I don't care. I don't care. Whatever he wants to wear, he wants to wear the black socks because we're in the black

socks. I'm not arguing because at the end of the day when he's an adult, he's still going to get to choose what he wears and what he doesn't wear and I'm not arguing with him about it. And listen, when you're mad, when you grow mad, when you grow up, because you see pictures of yourself, because you dressed yourself like that, don't come at me. Like you chose that path. So don't be mad. You made your bed so now lying.

That is the bottom line on that. No, I can't with kids with with fashion with all of these things that they they want the ideas that they think want the ideas that they think that they have that are great. I'm sure we were probably like that at one point of our lives like whoever told us that you know wearing you remember those like jelly roller sticks that had like glitter in them. Yeah. Oh yeah I thought that was eyeshadow so like I put that on I was probably like fourth or fifth grade and then I also would put that on, I was probably like fourth or fifth grade.

And then I also would put it on my sister and Todd Chrisley would fucking cuss me out. I'd be sitting in the back of that Mercedes and he'd be like, bitch, let me tell you, if you put that stuff on her again, you won't have it. Where was it supposed to go? I have no idea. Like I think it was like a body like a body thing or whatever. But the situation that you just described to me about Lux and Creator reminds me of that HBO show, Eastbound and Down, from a long time ago. It was like a baseball show, but it's totally foul.

So if anybody's listening to this, do not watch any scenes from Eastbound and Down with children, even in the house. It's like them in a laundromat. And he goes, Well, all I know is one of us looks like we shoplift our shit from fashion bug. And other one of us looks like we have our own personal stylist. And I'm going to assume that Creed looks like he shops lift his shit from passion bug and looks like he has his own personal stylist. Yeah, because even in the pictures that I took of them the other day, Isaac was like, Oh, Lex is such a model. He's just such a natural and then Creed's just like, does not

care. Yeah, I can't. That's so funny. I started watching a new show, two new shows. What I started watching while I finished, I started watching a new show, two new shows. What? I started watching, well I finished, I started and finished Lincoln Lawyer. Wait, how many seasons is it? Lincoln Lawyer is two seasons and it's pretty new. It came out this year.

Okay, I'm gonna watch. Like 2022 and 2023. I'm assuming that they are not doing anything during the writer strike. I also don't know where that stands right now, but I'm sure that it'll it ended on a cliffhanger. So I'm sure that they're going to come back for season three. And then I just started suits. I'm only on episode eight. But suits is also I think there's like eight seasons of suits. And it's more like the gray

is an atom. It's like a gray is anatomy, but the lawyer version. So Grey's Anatomy is like all doctors situation, like in the hospital setting, suits is like lawyers. Okay, so it's funny that you even brought this up because the other night Trent was like, wanna watch Netflix because I had asked him a couple of nights before that I was like, why can't we just like lay around and watch Netflix? And he's like, I don't know,

like that's just like something that we don't do. And I'm like, okay, well, we absolutely need to start. We tried to start suits like a while ago. And I think I made it to the second episode and then he surpassed me. So now I'm like, okay, I don't want to watch with you anymore because you're like past where I'm at. So you blew that.

So then we were scrolling through Netflix the other day and we came across the show with the rock. It's called Ballers or something. Okay. So we started that one. I fall asleep in the middle of everything. Like if the TV goes on, it's almost like a nighttime sentence for me.

Like, I'm out. Yeah, so we started that and I saw Lincoln lawyer and almost selected that to watch. And then I don't know why I didn't. And then when we started watching this baller show, I just need to know like, why does every HBO show have to have like, people having sex and titties bouncing?

Like, I don't want to see it. I don't, I'm not super familiar with HBO, but yeah, that sounds about right. I I don't want to see it. I don't I'm not super familiar with HBO. But yeah, that sounds about right. I just don't understand. I'm like why and that's probably why we were never allowed to watch HBO as kids. It's probably why a lot of people didn't have it. No, no, no. If you were caught on Todd's TV stopping at HBO, you're done.

He was ripping you a new one. Yeah, you are officially out. You're done. He was ripping you a new one. Yeah, you are officially out. I just got our Kiwi Co package. I did too, it came yesterday. Yes, and I'm so excited. So we, I don't know what it was about these ones,

but we were just so excited. Isaac was so freaking pumped for the light up wire art. And then there's also the glow lab. So these two crate ones are for nine and 14 because my older kids, but I did get some other ones for the younger kids. Like I got the science of cooking ice cream, which is for five.

Oh, we've done that one. Okay, yeah. So we did that one. We got that one for Lux. We also did explore the world of Italy, which is for Lux's age, which he's in first grade, he's six. So when I say all of this to say that there is a crate line

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that's talking about relationships. And I'm very interested to see what you have to say. She said, I just have to know in your relationships, is it normal to reach out to your exes to ask questions? I noticed Kale does so often. So is it acceptable with Elijah? Does he not care? Does he view it as disrespectful

to your current relationship? Do others do this often? Or is it something done just for the podcast sake of having content? I'm just curious. First of all, we have more content than we know what to do with. So it's absolutely not. Yeah, I was about to say it doesn't have anything to do with the content. Elijah and I have never had trust issues in any way, shape or form when it comes to exes, like outside of the first month when his ex-wife like randomly called, which I already talked about and addressed.

But I never like allowed that to like sway my trust in him. We just don't have trust issues. So I, he doesn't, I'll tell him, like I tell him anytime, like if I was to reach out to someone and or it's on the podcast or like he can hear it, you know, like he knows he can also go through my phone anytime he wants. I don't we just don't have trust issues and I don't think I'm ever doing it to like what's the word I'm like I'm not trying to like get back with them or flirt with them Like I'm not trying to like get back with them or flirt with them or anything. Like it's not like that. Yeah.

So it's just, you know, sometimes it's to be funny. Sometimes it's to be, you know, I don't know. It's just who we are. You were talking about trust. I need to ask you a couple of questions about that because how, if you have ever been in a situation where trust has been broken and then you get into something new, I was having this conversation with my therapist literally last week. And I said, oftentimes, like, I feel like trust issues just like seep into a relationship if you're not careful based off of lived experience

from something else. And how do you separate those things? Like, do you not allow a lived experience that affected you so deeply, not affect something new that you're in? I think we've talked about this before and I just don't think that there's a one-size-fits-all answer for this. Like you never have, and it's just truly a question, like you never have wandering thoughts that like seep in from something that you've been through in your past and you kind of like put it on this new person as if it's something that they would do when you know that they're not doing it, that it's not their character to do it. You don't believe that they ever would do it,

but like you can't stop yourself from thinking these things. I don't have an answer. So I don't think, sometimes I think, like now that I've been through therapy, I would say that you have to go through therapy to work through that before you ever get into another relationship. But then the other side of me is like,

sometimes that's not realistic. And sometimes, whether people like it or not, there are, there is one relationship after another and it wasn't planned that way but it just happens because life is not black and white and I think sometimes like that new person unfortunately gets like the shitty end of the stick but if it's if you guys are going to work it out and work through it they're going to stick around through that like trauma period um I'm not saying it's right and I'm not saying it's fair, but I do think it's like part of life.

Like for my situation specifically, I didn't like I wasn't out there looking or like seeking something else out. It just kind of fell in your lap and fell in my lap. And I still had stuff that I was working through that I had not completely worked through from the past. And so it's hard not to think, oh, you know, I need to be careful because this person might do X, Y and Z to me because this has happened to me multiple times before. and I was very cautious going into that relationship, hesitant to even entertain it because I was like, you know what? I'm not signing up for another circus. Like I don't want to do this again, but it's so toxic to like think that everybody is just

going to be out to get you and do the wrong thing. I kind of had the opposite because I also wasn't seeking anyone out. I had just Malika and I had just ended, I also wasn't seeking anyone out. I had just Malika And I had just ended I had just ended things with him I don't think I trusted myself with Elijah in the beginning and I was pulling every fucking Almost like not even I was turning things that weren't red flags into red flags for all the reasons why I should leave He didn't like he didn't really do anything. And there's certain things that he probably

had to work through in his own personal life with or without me. And I'm just nitpicking all the things and not really looking at what I needed to fix. I was more so looking at, OK, it was almost like I was looking for a way out before I was even all the way in for no reason. because there wasn't, it really, like I don't even know how to describe it.

The trauma sabotages, like that's what happens, you know? And so. Like I just remember complaining about certain things, just, and it was so dumb. Oh, I would be like, oh, I shouldn't do this because it just seems too good to be true. Like who just meets this way? I was at this place at a time that I normally, like it's a place that we were frequenting,

but it was at a time that I normally wouldn't go. Who just like runs into a hot data trampoline park. That just doesn't make sense. Like the stars might not line up. He seems too nice. Oh, well, he's newly divorced. So I should probably be careful. What are we going to do?

Because I just got out of something with somebody with kids. You know, don't want to go through another toxic situation. So yeah, like I also, I don't know. Like it's the trauma talking, but back to the question. I have an open phone policy. So at any time Trent can pick up my phone, go through it, don't care what he's looking at. He could be in my photos, he could be in my apps,

just hopefully not the kitty gang. He could literally be in my text messages. My who knows, like I don't care what he goes on because I don't have anything to hide. I think that sometimes lines can get crossed in if you have an X that you have had a child with, sometimes those communications can be like a gray area because the way that you communicate with that person that you were once romantically involved with that you're also raising a child not together, but like together, sometimes you just be saying stuff.

My texts with Will are so plain or if I see something like Shady that reminds me of him, I'll, you know, I don't know, like I'll send it. You're like, this is Shady, it reminds me of you. Yeah. I'm gonna send, no I can't. I threw the whole fucking tree over there. Like, I cannot. But I don't think, I think that it depends on what these questions

are, right? Like what type of communication is this that's specifically going on? I'm never going to be the type of person that is with somebody that has a child that tries to monitor what those communications look like in their coparenting journey. Just don't be talking about me. Do you reach out to other exes like the listener asked? Do you ever reach out to exes about anything? Like besides Will? No.

I don't know why I do that. They go blocked. I'm like the feds. I block. I do a little sweep. I block them and their friends. I don't have beef with any of my exes besides like f***. I don't think there's any.

Well, Chris and I don't really have beef at this point. Like there's no beef, there's no, it just is what it is, you know, so like I don't, I guess like, I don't look at any of my exes as exes. Like if I need to ask them something based on a topic or a conversation that I'm having, I don't, they're not exes to me. If I don't have a child with you, you're not my ex.

The only person, okay, I'm going to end on this. The only person that I will reach out to if something comes up like on podcast, and it's like we need to pull the class. I will probably reach out to Will out of respect for Trent. I wouldn't reach out to any of my other exes at this point. I can't say that I have held that same respect in any other situation, but for him, I just wouldn't do it. Fair.

Like we're not going, we're not going that route because I wouldn't want him doing it. So I'm not going to be doing it. Kale, I've got to tell you something that I am super excited about. I just placed an order for Factor basketball. Tryouts are coming up and the season is just going to get super busy. So I was looking for wholesome, convenient meals for all of these jam packed days that I have with Jackson. And that's why I order from Factor. They are America's number one ready to eat meal kit, and you can fuel up fast for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. And these meals are all chef prepared, dietitian approved, ready to eat meals delivered

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and use code coffeeconvost50 to get 50% off. That's code coffeeconvost50 at factormeals.com slash coffeeconvost50 to get 50% off. Someone else said that they wanna know know this is a TV related one. And I feel like we haven't had a listener question regarding like TV and contracts before. Have we? I don't think so. So this person says, I need to know if MTV or USA ever had any type of stipulations in your

contract where if you talked or advertised your business or products on the show or started business after you are off the show, they get 10% cut of your profits. That's very, very, what is the word I'm looking for? It's very common that happens. So this person says, this seems so insane to me, but my friend who is a big Bravo fan was telling me about the Bethany clause. Any Bravo fans in here probably know about this. She is a real housewife whose business took off skinny girl drinks brand and was really successful. And the reason Bravo added a clause, which requires cast members to sign away a percentage of their earnings to Bravo

for any non Bravo work, essentially because Bravo gave them that platform. So if you've been off a show for 10 years, they still get to profit off of your business and hard work for years and years later. My friend thinks it was smart, a Bravo and agrees, but thinks it's insane and used your business to explain my point of view. I can see advertising it on the show, but this even if they don't have a business at all on the show, then leave the show and then start up a new business after leaving, Bravo still gets a cut.

So I have a lot of feelings on this. This is very common. This is very, very typical, not just in TV, but like, I don't wanna say podcasting because it's not necessarily podcasting, but it's very common. I don't personally agree. If you leave a show and you start something 10 years later and you're out of whatever contract it is, I don't agree with that. I don't think that they should take a cut. Is it smart or Bravo?

Yes. Technically, under my contract with MTV, well, let me go back. If you start a business TV. Well, let me let me go back. If you start a business and you're on team mom, you have to like give explicit permission for them to show those logos. So there was I don't know if anyone remembers this, but when my book first came out, I believe it was probably Pride Over Pity or Hustle and Heart, one of them. It was in a scene where I'm sitting on the couch and it's behind me like a little book display and they blurred it out. And I was pissed the fuck off because they showed Ferris. So why are they exploiting Ferris stuff and not mine? And they told me that I needed, I think this was a bit of a bullshit answer,

but they told me that I needed to give them explicit permission to show the book and the cover and shit like that and the title, blah, blah, blah. Oh, wow. Which is bullshit. For Pride Over Pity, that connection with the publisher came through MTV. So they did in fact take, they gave me an advance to write it and then they also, they had to make the money back before I was able to make any money after the, after the initial

advance. MTV did not take a cut of the rest of my books. However, there was talks, obviously. They let Coffee Convost podcast go for a while. And then when they saw what we were doing in numbers, they tried to come back and take a cut or buy out the whole thing. So it definitely varies by network

and it varies by contract. But those are the types of things that you have to look out for when you are negotiating a deal, whether it be for a podcast or a show or a movie or whatever, you need to look at those clauses. Those need to be gone over with a lawyer because you might be able to negotiate them down. So like that 10% by Bravo could potentially be negotiated down to 5% or anything that I come up with after I leave the show is not something that you guys can touch. I'm not saying that they would do these negotiations, but those are things that you could ask for. I know that for certain contracts, if you do merch, whoever the contract is under might be entitled to a percentage

of the merch or if you negotiate, you can have it waved out. So it really depends on the, it depends on the situation. So Kristen said that this came from Bethany Frankel. Yeah, I think that's who it was. I mean, it's a double-edged sword. Like I see both sides of it because where you're getting the exposure from the network that you would not be getting if they were not willing to film it, also, I feel like if they didn't have any part of the development of that, and they were using it as storyline on the show. For me, it's mutually beneficial,

so you need to waive your theme. Yeah, yeah. You need to waive the percentage. That's how I feel. I also feel like it's a double-edged sword because it's one of those things where it's like, how I feel about MTV. Thank you so much for giving me this platform

because it made it possible for me to launch myself in different directions, but did I have to launch myself in a different direction? No, I didn't. You didn't do the work in the different directions. You gave me a platform and I appreciate that and I can say thank you until the day I die, but you did not write these books for me.

You did not start this podcast for me. You did not finish my education for me. Those things are, so it's like, I could understand to some degree, like, thank you for the platform. I believe in giving credit where credit is. Absolutely. And like, thankful for the platforms and the opportunities that we on Coffee Convos have collectively been given,

whether that be MTV, USA Network, whatever, would like to actually thank MTV for even thinking that we were worthy enough of them potentially buying the podcast at one point. Like, thank you for liking coffee combos that much. Really appreciate you. Um, I don't think that it's fair for you to build something, put your, whether you're using your name from a platform that you built that someone else gave

you, to me, you're being paid a fee for what you're doing on that show. And that show is mutually benefiting or else they would not be paying you a fee. But also, it's mutually beneficial, but at the end of the day, the network is making more than the person. Correct. Correct. Because I've exploited my life, I've exploited my life for 13 years, and I know for a fact, they made 10 times. It's not more what I made. So yes, it's mutually beneficial, but they're making more than me. And they're getting paid on reruns.

They're getting paid on their deal with Netflix. They're getting paid on their deal with Hulu. I don't get paid residuals. I don't get paid royalties for that stuff. No, and it's like your face is just out there on that episode that you were paid a one time fee, one time fee that they can rerun, they can use it for their benefit. However, they, they want to use it. Um, I have never talked about this before, but about to, um, stop giving me that look.

I never have talked about this, but when Kale and I started Coffee Combos podcast, it was a big issue with USA Network, with me using my government given last name to do coffee combos. Well, would they have wanted you to use like Lindsey Campbell? I guess so, but how was that fair when I started? You were born in Chrisley. Chrisley knows best. Well, when I started Chrisley knows best, there was a question of if I was gonna go by Lindsey Campbell

or Lindsey Chrisley. And I was already married, also don't know if I've ever talked about this before or not, but when we filmed the pilot for Chrisley knows best, I was already six months pregnant. The production company had no idea. We lied about it, got caught about it when we were mic'd up. Me and my dad. I did not, they thought that I was going to get married and they were going to film a wedding. I was

already married for a year and did not wear my ring, the entire pilot. So they said all the kids were going to be married or not, Chrisley, that that was gonna be how we were like on their website as cast. So when I leave the show, then now I just become a Campbell. Like, no, because everybody knows me as this name now from being on this show. Right. So why would I do that? So no,

could you imagine coffee combos with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Campbell? No, I cannot. And then I would have to change it because I'm only allowed to use Campbell now per my divorce agreement. I'm only allowed to use Campbell now in a school setting or like a anything in regards to Jackson. I can still go by Lindsey Campbell, but outside of that I am Lindsey Chrisley. So that would be fucking weird. And then you get into the whole conversation of why do I need to give somebody else's last name credit versus my born last name credit? Because last time I checked, no one else did this.

Like Lindsay Chrisley did this, not Lindsay Campbell. Right, unless you made a name, unless you were, like I know people who made a name for themselves after they were married and then got divorced. And so then that is the name that they go by. They were able to keep it in their divorce. But I don't know, the whole contracting, like had you started this and you were still on the

show, would they have wanted to cut of it as well? Oh, I believe that that would have been the case. And I believe that if I was still on the show, whenever we started coffee combos, I believe that they would have wanted to follow that journey because we were so new in podcasting when podcasting really started that it was kind of like an uncharted territory. So I think it would have been an interesting storyline to follow. I'm sure they would have been all on that like white on rice, but I was no longer on

the show and my attorney literally had to fight for me to be able to use my government given last name you're like Not even talking about the money the fee is nothing. You just want to use your name. Oh when I got the email back About that. I was like they've got to be fucking kidding me. So I replied all not on accident And I said this is my motherfucking government This is my mother fucking government. Like, no, like you're not, you're not going to tell me that. And I'm sure that everybody would love to hear this bullshit.

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Outside of that, I saw this video and we were talking about phones a couple of minutes ago. And it was a whole video explaining about the five places that you should look on a phone if you're actually trying to find something. And I don't really know why all of these videos should look on a phone if you're actually trying to find something. And I don't really know why all of these videos on phones and shit keep popping up that I keep watching, but I'm going to tell you about this video in a second.

But another video I saw was this girl trying to catch her man cheating on her. And she like said that he never did not have his phone. So this whole video goes through the great links of how she bamboozled him to be able to go on his phone. She ordered his same phone online, ordered his same phone case online, took her phone out of her phone case, put her phone into or the phone that she ordered online into the case that looked like his, the case that looked like his, put that by the bed when she went to bed, took his phone, put her phone case on it. And she said that when he would like roll over and stuff to see what she was doing, she said, I knew he was cheating on me just by the way

that he was so protective over his phone and like always looking to see what I'm doing. And so she said he would roll over and for nights, she did this and he would roll over and she would just be scrolling as if she was scrolling on her phone, but it was actually his phone. And she was screenshotting all of the shit and air dropping it to herself from his phone. And I'm like, okay, if we've got to do all of that, I'm just getting the fuck up and leaving.

Like I want- You have to go through the trenches to get to the point or some people, some people, some people have the ability to just get up and leave and never look back. I'm not one of those people. I need to traumatize myself again and again and again before I am out. I'm no longer looking back and then I never do that again. So like some people, it's like different ways people learn, right? Like some people are visual learners, some people are, you have to do it hands-on, some people can read.

This is one of those things where I'm traumatizing myself over and over and over again until I hurt so bad that I'm now numb and now I'm able to leave. I think once you've been through something that's toxic and you might have done those patterns in that toxic situation, I think once you get out of that, you don't go back. You don't go back to that normally because you now should know better. So you just do better or you should be doing better. I can confidently tell you if I even have an inkling and like a strong inkling with pro like possible facts

because my entire friend group is the fucking FBI. My inkling is probably coming from an FBI investigation. 100%. So I'm immediately out and we're not even having a conversation about it. Like I don't even care what proof you're trying to prove. I'm not going through all those links. So this video that I saw was talking about the five places you look if you're trying to find something. And it says

going through a phone is already an iffy topic, but if you're going to go through it, make sure you at least find something. Group chat, best friends, pictures. The number one place to look is Cash App and Venmo. And then it went through the whole thing on like the explanation of that. So it was like, are you really going to send your hard earned money to someone that you aren't doing anything with? Okay. The second place is photos because you're going to find screenshots and photos. And if you are going on somebody's phone at random, No one's regularly clearing screenshots

and random shit that you would have in your camera. Unless you're a serial cheater. Unless you're a serial cheater. Unless you're a seasoned one. Yeah. Text now in Google Voice or any type of app like that. This video said you have cell service so there's no reason why you would need to have this.

I agree. I was with someone one time that had an app like WhatsApp. Okay. And immediately anytime I see WhatsApp on someone's phone, I'm triggered. I'm triggered. I automatically am like, okay, you're fucking cheating. Like why do you have that when you have tech? I have WhatsApp because I travel internationally a lot. So I use WhatsApp for things abroad. Like no one just needs to be doing that. Then you don't need to be talking.

Like you don't need to be texting. There's nothing that you need to be doing on WhatsApp. Like I feel like it's a cheaters paradise. I think when I caught others cheating, Venmo and Cash App has never, I have never caught a cheater on Venmo or cash up. Also, at the time that I was with the cheater, he didn't have Venmo. He has Venmo now. And I know Elijah only has cash up. Listen, you can find out so much shit. Caroline, my girlfriend, Caroline, she told me about this rule. She was like, if you want to find out about somebody, sneakly go to their Venmo.

I don't, I would be dumb to say money on Venmo when it's literally public. Okay. But let's say, for example, you don't want people to see your Venmo when it's literally public. Okay, but let's say for example, you don't want people to see your Venmo transactions, then you can just- Well, three of my baby daddy's all Venmo'd me back to back. We got Javi, Joe, and Chris back to back. So if you want the T, I guess just go look at my Venmo.

You can also send private, like Will and I send private Venmo. I don't know why Joe and Joby locked theirs. Like you literally sent me lunch money for the kids. Like why did you lock that? Maybe they just don't, because they know about this rule and they know about people looking at Venmo's and shit. What do you, if the description says it's for, you know,

someone's Lincoln's lunch, like what do you think is gonna happen? I don't know, maybe they don't want people to see like the amount or someone's Lincoln's lunch. Like, what do you think is gonna happen? I don't know. Maybe they don't want people to see like the amount or what's actually going on. Like who, who honestly knows? Okay, the next place is email. And this person says that's always where you find something

cause you find like confirmation codes and like all kinds of shit. And this guy was saying that basically no one cleans out their fucking email. That's a fact. I actively caught someone cheating via email. I was logged in on my phone. And allegedly he had said girl blocked on his phone like phone number. They were emailing back and forth. Like, if you go through Like, that to me is so extreme. Like, bitch, if you are going to be emailing her, just go ahead and shut me off.

Like, I will open up your text line. Like, I will open up your text line, make it easier for you, make it easier for her. At the point that you feel like you have to get on your fucking Gmail to send this bitch a message, you know, like there are multiple points in that situation that you, you like the links that you have gone through to do this, when you went to tap on that, that Gmail and then type her email in, you are well aware of what the fuck you were doing.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh God, those were like, I hate you. type her email in, you are well aware of what the fuck you are doing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh God, those were like I hate you. No, those were literally the most traumatizing days of my life because I had never in my life seen the lengths that this person would go to cheat on me. Oh, honey, I have some stories, but I'm going to have to save it for like kitty gang because I can't. And the last place is notes. This guy said that people are starting to catch on to this. So like it again, if you're a seasoned habitual cheater, you might not be doing this. but for general senses Look in their notes because you might find something there like sometimes people store like addresses phone numbers that they don't want in their contacts Oh

Just like random shit. Okay. I would have never guessed notes ever like I don't want anybody to go into my notes like Ma'am like what's in my notes? I have like notes about people in there. Like if I get in an argument with somebody, I'll put about the argument in my notes and be like, on this day, I got into this argument and this is a red flag. My notes is just podcast stuff. Like a lot of it is if we talked about something on the podcast that I need to remember to

post to the story, like I post it, I put it in my notes, like to make sure they're like, you don't forget. Yeah, like, or a podcast topic or a video or if I saw something out in public, I'll be like, Oh, my God, I have to like put this after like, write this down. You know what Trent does to remind himself to do things and it was like so smart. If he wants to send himself a reminder, he text

himself. Oh, can you text your own number? Yeah. And I'm like, well, like I was today old whenever I learned this, I love that. I saw this other video and it was titled work smarter, not harder. And I could not agree with that statement more. I was baffled at this. So this man is talking about how he sues every job that he works at for money. I saw this interview. Okay. And he says, what I did was I went and learned employment rights.

I go and find a job that I know they have people that will be violating safety violations. And I go to complain to a supervisor who will then retaliate against me and then I call and report it and then let the supervisor know that I'm calling to report it. He also says that he has 100% success rate doing this and that when you read employment rights pertaining to racial discrimination, sexual harassment, that it's such commonplace in corporate whatever today. And he says that he just works the system and the whole system that he has created for himself creates a hostile work environment and then he just reports the hostile work environment and then he goes to like mediation and stuff and settles

with these companies and then just gets a new fucking job. I thought that was crazy because I was like, I thought that he was just like suing the jobs because they were, I didn't know he was like actively looking for the law suits. But I think I feel like there's a position. It's kind of like when OSHA comes and checks like to make sure everyone's up to code or whatever. I don't know if it's OSHA, but you guys, that's why he called it. He said that he would contact OSHA. So, but he should just work in a position where he does like the secret shoppers or like OSHA, like he should just work in those positions where he is because I know on one of the lawsuits, he ended up getting like $14,000, but 14,000. First of all, what is the amount

of money and effort you're putting in to get the $14,000? Do you have to pay taxes on the $14,000? And then how long does the $14,000 sustain you? No, I don't think you have to pay taxes on like a settlement. Oh, you don't? Because I know if you ever get like in a car accident or anything like that, if you get a settlement from a company, you don't pay taxes on that. Okay. So, but I mean, still $14,000 is not enough to sustain you for a long period of time.

Also you're not getting health insurance or any type of benefits, you know what I mean? So it's just like, to me, are you putting in more work and effort, like just to get a job and be happy? Well, he's actually not running a job. He's running a bamboozle, like a national bamboozle because he just, I'm sure that this man has such a system that he probably has his next job lined up by the time he starts working

through this fake hostile work environment that he has created. And then he just moves to the next one and then kind of lays dormant for a little bit. And sounds like he should go to law school. He even said that he would go into like the break rooms and stuff and he would hear people talking about you know, two guys talking about another employee like sexually or whatever. And then he would be like, I'm not comfortable with this conversation. And then he'd go and report it HR.

And then it was like sexual harassment or whatever. I don't wanna own a business. Like because I don't want to deal with a person like this. No, that's, that's literal hell. Like if I was a business today, I would be so scared. That's, that sounds like literal hell. It also sounds like he should go to law school because you're willing to fight for all of that and you know so much you have so much

knowledge on workplace and hostile, you know, the workplace hostile work environment and sexual hurrah all of these things. Use it to your advantage and just like make a lot of money go to law school. Um, I just it reminds me of the conversation that we had about like slipping on ketchup packs in McDonald's. It reminds me of like, issue grand trolls. It reminds me of a lot of things, but people are just like, so, so happy today that honestly, I'm afraid to breathe. Literally.

Okay, last, last thing, and then we're gonna do foul play. I I don't know how I feel about this but this person wrote in and said that she was hooking up with her younger stepbrother. No, no, when they were younger and that they would have constant cheeky hookups, only kissing and touching. But now that they're older, she says she still fancies him. I don't really know what that means. I don't know what she's like, she still has the hots for him basically. She says, please help me on what I should do. While I understand that you guys are not like blood related, I just feel like that's a little too close for comfort. No, that's foul.

I don't care if you're not blood related. If you were raised in a house together for any amount of time, that's your sibling. Yeah. That, I just, something about that just gives me the ick. Like I'm adding that to my list of icks. The entire thing gives me the ick. Like I'm adding that to my list of icks. The entire thing gives me the ick. I just wonder how common that is. It's like incest almost, but it's like not.

But it's like not, but it is. Delaware is incestuous in that like... Huh? Delaware, everyone, someone you're related to somebody. Like I've never been in a place like Delaware and I literally I think I told you a couple weeks ago or a couple months ago I told you I went to a party that they were related to both Chris and Elijah and I was sick. I was shooketh. I didn't know what to do because I was like this is insane and

Wait also Chris and Elijah are related. No, but they have cousins that are like, there are people who are related to both of them, but they're not cousins. How do we feel about this? I was sick. I had never heard anything like this in my life. And I was like, wait a minute. I was like, so your uncle is so and so, but you're related to Elijah and they're like, yes. And I was like, I think I'm going to be sick. That explains a lot. Do you know what's going through my head right now? No. It runs in the DNA.

Okay, foul play. I can't believe I have something to write in. love y'all and all the podcasts. Thanks. So my husband and I were doing the deed. We use the pull out method as a form of growth control because we're stupid. LOL. She said that not me. Anyways, he's standing on the side of the bed, my legs are in the air and he pulls out to shoot his shit onto the floor hardwood. Why? He's doing his thing. He's doing his thing and I hear a yipe. What is a yipe? I sit up and see my dog behind him wanting back on the bed.

We had thrown her off with a dog ice cream and she had finished it quicker than usual and was ready to get back. I saw that she had the ice cream all over her face. I went to go grab her and realized quickly that it was not ice cream. My husband accidentally money shot at the dog. My poor baby. We're all traumatized. Thanks for reading. Is this animal abuse? Well, no, because it was an accident. But how do you accidentally like, I have never come on a dog. Well, because if I had to guess like what a man is doing it, they're like probably looking

up or looking like they're not like, why are you looking like that? They're probably not watching it come out. Okay, first of all, what you just did was fake your golf and and look up. I would imagine they're not gonna just like, watch it like that's weird. I feel like I can't even open my eyes. That's how fucking tired I am. That's my guess.

So then it's just like shooting come like on the dog? No. For those reasons alone. You're like, I'm not letting the dog in my room ever. No, for those reasons alone, that's why like you don't have sex with if you're going to get walked in on by your animals or your children.

You're going to tell you, when I was married, Tella wasn't being around whenever that was going on because her little innocent eyes should not be subjected. And don't you feel like dogs watch you? It's very, well, yeah. Not so much cats, but like dogs in the room is really weird. It does make me uncomfortable. But do you feel like they're watching you?

Oh yeah. And do you think they know what's going on? No, I don't think they know what's going on, but it's still really uncomfortable. I don't want them in the room. Yeah, I, the dog immediately has to go out. Okay, next foul play. We worked together when I was 14 and he was 26.

Oh God, I don't like where this is going. I don't like where this is going. I was young and dumb and loved to make out. That's all I had done at the time. So after multiple make out sessions in his car, we get off of work and before he went back home to his two kids and separated significant other, one Friday night I was supposed to be at my friends according to Friday night, I was supposed to be at my friends, according to my mom, and I was supposed to be doing chores according

to my friend. Who the fuck does chores on a Friday night at 11pm? But both bought the lie. We rented a hotel room. Awful as fuck room, by the way. Now that I'm older, I'm pretty sure it was a pay by the hour to fuck kind of hotel. No. Anyhow, not only does he not pay for it, but I do. We go inside and it's terrifying. We proceeded anyway, because I was scandalous like that. He asked how many guys I had been with him. I had been with and I told him eight because I had made out with eight people. We started having sex and Jesus, holy mother of Mary, I thought I was being ripped apart. This man was so big. And I mean, not just in your a virgin big, but his dick was an

easy nine inches hanging not hard. So I was being effed by a damn racehorse alone at this point. We finished and leave I had him drop me off at my friend's house that I was supposed to be at for the whole time. And my friend says, wow, you must have really pissed your mom off. Huh? Days later, I told him that it was my first time he felt bad and said I should have told him. And he would have been more gentle and then asked again about the eight people answer I gave him. I told him I made out with eight people not

had sex with eight people. I'm 14. Now that I'm a grown ass adult with adult kids, I would beat someone's ass. They tried to date my minor child with a 12 year age gap like that. That's a charge, sir. No, ma'am. No better. Do better. Thanks for all the laughs. Love you guys. But she, she didn't, she was 14. He knew better unless he knew, unless he didn't know her age. But listen, like everybody has, like, fantasized over being with an older man. Like, I feel like that's, like, a normal thing. And don't look at me like that and act like you haven't.

I don't think I ever have, but I also understand, like, as a teenager, I was easily swindled, you know? Like, I was, it could have happened to me. Like, I very much know that. Well, I'm not gonna say like... Because I was scandalous. We know. Not as like a hussy or anything, but like, you know... Like you loved a good scandal. I loved a good... I was gonna sneak out, I was gonna smoke pot, I was probably gonna have sex with my boyfriend, not anybody else, but like

easily swindled for sure. Okay, so when I was in high school, I dated my dad's college intern. Right. And I thought that was scandalous, but there was really only like four and a half years difference. I can't even believe that like Todd went for it, but like whatever, Gladdy did. I couldn't even imagine, like I never had sex with that man.

Like never, like that was not a thing. I was 17 years old and he was like 23, is that right? You were how old, 17? 17. I think that's fine, right? It's like five years. Yeah, he was like 20, maybe he was like 22. Let's say he's 22.

I don't know, he might've been fucking 23. I don't know. Also. So long fucking 23. I don't know. So long ago. But you were almost legal. I almost was. But I was not, I was not doing that. Like, did we kiss and like go on trips together? And did he probably want to do that? Sure. But like, I wasn't in a place to do that. And he never pushed the envelope on that and was like, never trying to get me to do something that I didn't want to do at 26 years old. I'm sorry, but at 26 years old, why aren't you playing on like, why are you playing on the playground? That's concerning to me because like, I can't picture Elijah with a 14 year old right now. That's disgusting. Like that's, that's, that's disturbing.

That's wild. Like that's disturbing to me. That's wild. That would be sick. And like to take them to a hotel, like I'm going to a hotel with nobody. I don't think I ever would know. Like never, but I, listen, I have some shady people in my life and I know some shady folks that will get a hotel room

just to do some like crazy stuff so that they don't get caught and then go on about their day. That's sick. That's so sick. I think it's way more common than what people think. Oh, I'm sure. Oh, I'm sure it is. It's not something that I would ever do and I just need to say also if I had a 14-year-old and some 26 year old was trying to date, sleep with,

screw around with my child, I would be incarcerated. Oh, mug shots everywhere. Everywhere, ma'am. And on that note, I'm going to go and finish washing my sheets. Okay. Gonna go and pick Jackson up from school and start getting dinner stuff prepared. So if you guys have not followed us on at coffee combos podcast on Instagram, make sure

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