Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - School Supplies, PTO policies & Double Homicide

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

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I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Crissly. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Good morning and welcome back to another episode of Coffee Convo's podcast. It is weird seeing you over here, Kitty Kristen. Hello, Lindsay. How are we? How are you?

I am good. When this episode airs, I will be in nurse mode. I will be taking care of Kitty Kale. I love that for you and also hate that for you. She's probably going to be passed out in bed, recovering from, as we are calling it, getting her neck chopped off. I need to know everybody who's listening to this. if you prefer to be nursed or to be left alone. I like a combo, truly.

Like, I don't want somebody with me all the time. But, like, if I need something, I want to be able to call somebody to just bring it to me and then probably leave. Okay. So right before I got divorced, I got hit with the vid for, like, the third time, I think. And Will brought up, like, the individual little trays that we have for Jackson because, you know, he likes his food separated. Nothing can be touching. and he would bring me up like bagels and put it outside the door and then Lysol himself all the way down the stairs.

I remember I'd want to say it was time two, time two or three. I've had COVID four times. I don't leave my house, but I've had it four times. I think it was time number two that like damn near took me out. And mom and Corey were gearing up, like gloving up had like the face mask. like double masking rubber gloves coming in like putting like a cooler they literally gave me a cooler like would change it out every single day with like cold water gatorade and like pudding and stuff my throat hurts so bad that I couldn't really eat anything and they would just drop it bedside

and then they would leave the room and they would like strip down I'd hear the lice all it was insane that's so crazy but that's such a good idea to do the cooler situation that was also when I was sleeping in the guest room and creating my parenting plan. Oh, good, during the same exact time frame. During the exact same time frame and my soon-to-be ex-husband was the one who was dropping food off the door. You know, at least y'all care about each other even through the hard times. Even through the hard times.

Wait, I have to tell you, I had this video that Jackson filmed of me doing that dog jaw trend. The what? The dog jaw trend. What is that? It's like where you turn your face and you're like, hey, do you see that? And the person that you're doing it to has to like look at your face. And they're like, no, I don't see anything. And it's like, I have this thing called dog jaw.

And they're like, wait, what? And you're like, yeah, dog jaw, do you see it? And like when they get super close to your face, you're like, whoa, whoa. I've never seen this. I did it to Will on Father's Day. and I thought he was going to take me the fuck out, so. Did you film it? Oh, I have it.

I need to see it. Wait, do you pull it up for you? Yes. Holy shit. Okay. The fact that Jackson filmed it makes it even fucking better. I need to see this reaction. I'm probably going to get in trouble for this, honestly.

It's fine. I mean, you did talk about ding-dong ditch a couple weeks ago and it was fine. Wait, speaking of the ding-dong ditch thing, I need to address that for a second. people think that I'm just taking my kid out, like ding-dong ditching random people. Oh, my God. And they have been sending me videos and articles of people pew-pewing ding-dong ditchers. And it's like, okay, number one, I ding-dong ditched my ex-husband with my kid. For those of you who don't know that's listening to this, that's his dad.

Also, when people found out about that that live in my area, they were like, hey, if you want to just like bamboozle Jackson, then just send me a text and let me know that you want a ding dong ditch and you can ring my doorbell. So it's like safety is of utmost importance around here. So let's not act brand now. Okay. Thanks. Yeah. I think maybe they got a little confused because the text that Will set you that was read. I think they were like maybe thought he was like being legitimately serious but he wasn't being legitimately serious like he saw them yeah so i think i'm just glad i'm just glad they didn't see his wiener oh my god i'm like is that child abuse probably some form wait okay here's the video okay i'm ready okay so jackson's video

do you see it no it's right there you see it sure have you heard of it no it's It's called dog dog. Look at it. Okay. Feel it. Ooh-ho-hoo. It's like, fuck you, bitch. He looks so sick of your shit.

It's hilarious. He was so sick of my shit. He's been sick of my shit for quite some time. I do have to tell you, though, both my cars have to go in for service this week. And the first one went in this morning super easy. But my Broncos making this weird fucking noise whenever you turn it on. and I'm like, did I break it? Lindsay, why am I just hearing about the weird noise now?

Did you think it was like an actual, like regular service? I thought, yeah, I thought this was for the recalls. No, they don't have a solution for the recalls yet. The two of them? They have no solution because when I called about this noise, they were like, yeah, we don't have solutions for the other recalls, but you can bring it in. So I'm taking it in tomorrow. and it just makes like this weird, it's like a starting pin or something.

Okay. It's called. And so when it's a cold start and you turn it on, it sounds like the car is literally breaking. So I'm like, yeah, I definitely need to take that up to Ford. And then they let me know that it was going to have to be there for several days. So now I have to figure out like how I'm getting back home. Okay. So I thought this was for the recalls.

I also have a bone to pick with like car cars. companies because I have a recall that I've had on my RAV4 for approximately a year and a half ish now and they still don't have a solution at all. So I'm kind of like, isn't that, like, don't you have to figure that out right away? Like pretty, pretty close to when it gets a recall. Well, I'm like, is that not like grounds for lawsuits to be filed? Like, for example, on the Bronco, there is a backup camera recall. And I feel like you should be able to, to rely on your backup camera. Yes.

And if you're not working, I'm like, are people going to start filing class action lawsuits? I mean, honestly, I wouldn't put it past anybody these days. But I will say my dad, many lifetimes ago was a driving instructor, like taught people how to drive. He didn't have patience for me. So I don't help, God help everybody that he taught before me. But he really didn't have patience for my shit. But he told me, as long as you can turn around, turn the fuck around. Like he didn't care what type of camera your car had.

That was never. So you will catch me. I have a backup camera. You will catch my ass like this. Back or like this. I always do that too. And every, I say every boyfriend that I've had. I've had three.

They're always like you have a backup cam. Why are you turning around? And it's like I trust my eyesight more than I trust that camera. Yeah. And just like sometimes like a rain drop. will make the camera go finicky. So. Oh, yeah, for sure. Speaking of things that don't fucking work, any person that has had braces or has a child

that's had braces, Jackson just got his off last week and he's already having to go back to the orthodontist to get a permanent retainer on the bottom because that shit doesn't stay in. Wait, what shit doesn't stay in? The bottom retainer. Like, he has to wear them at nighttime. And it won't stay. It won't stay. And every morning I go to get him out of the bed, the retainer's like in the bed somewhere. Damn. I didn't have that problem ever. The top retainer fits perfectly fine. But the bottom one

doesn't. And they said if you have a child that is going through two sets of braces and haven't lost all of their baby teeth that they don't prefer to put the permanent retainer on because it gives them like room to be able to move as other teeth are coming out. And I'm like, yeah, no, that's just like really not going to work for me. because thousands of dollars in, I'm not going to want a retainer in the bed. I'm thinking about this. I never even got a bottom retainer. So I had what they said was a permanent retainer on the bottom, but they took it out when I got my braces off. Like, they didn't leave mine in. And I didn't know until a couple years ago, like, Corey and Kale both have, like, the permanent thing.

And I'm like, they literally took mine out. And I'm pissed about it because my teeth have shifted on the bottom. So I'm, like, badly. So I'm really pissed, but my teeth on the top have shifted too, but. Well, this is news for you. I think I'm going to do Envisaline for the third time now. You've done it through. Okay, you have to tell me about this because I have been looking into it because I hate

that my teeth have shifted the way that they've shifted. My top teeth haven't really shifted at all. It's my bottom teeth. And I feel like when you Google it, which we probably shouldn't be Googling like medical shit, but when you Google it, it says that bottom teeth do tend to move more. more than top shift. Interesting. Okay. I don't know why that is. But yeah, for the third time, I'm going to do it. Like, what was your experience like the other two times? Because I really am considering doing it. So the experience was great. And like it wasn't, it wasn't like very long.

I think the longest time that I had them on was like four months or something because I don't have a ton of shift, but I have enough upshift that it bothers me. But it's so weird because the orthodontist likes to put permanent retainers on adult teeth. And then the dentist hate when orthodontists put permanent retainers on. It's probably so much harder for them to clean. And I bet you there's like probably an increase in cavities for that same reason. Okay. Do you think that like cavities are a genetic issue? I've wondered this myself because knock on wood, I've never had a single cavity, ever. So I am like hoping that that's fine. My mom's had like a couple. I don't know of my brother having many. I don't know about my dad. So I don't really know, but like I will say that they did say

that M. One of the things they told me was that MS for some reason can like lead to like dental issues at some point. So that really pissed me off. But we'll see if it happens. That's crazy. Jackson's 12 and has never had a cavity and Will is so prone to getting cavities and he doesn't even eat sweets like at all. So then there has to be something like there has to be something involved. I also know you can catch a cavity. Like I know that. Yes. Like blue. Basically, and I probably am explaining this totally wrong, but you, if you're hooking up with somebody that has bad like teeth or cavities or whatever, because it comes from bacteria, you can get the same bacteria and it can then cause cavities. Okay. Are you a teeth person or not a teeth person? I am a teeth person. Me too. And I'm not

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Okay, now I know what you're talking about. I have heard about this. I just didn't know it was being debated yet again. Yeah. This is the first time that I've ever seen it. I absolutely label all of Jackson's school supplies don't care what the thing says because Jackson is, if his head was not attached to his body, then he would lose it. And I feel like if I'm going out and spending the money to get the exact things that are on the school supply list and like taking my time to do that, I'm going to take my time to label

that stuff. Now, I always tell Jackson, like, hey, if you have a friend or a buddy, whatever, that, like, doesn't have something that sits at your table, like, of course, share with them. Yeah. But, like, don't you think that their stuff should be labeled as theirs? I guess for me, what is the downside to having the stuff be labeled? Because a lot of times from my understanding, from this debate, teachers like to get the school supplies and put them all, like, in a collective bin, and then everybody uses from that. Okay. Which I kind of understand that for younger grades. Like if you're talking anywhere from kindergarten to third grade, but starting in fourth grade, they should be responsible for keeping

up with their own shit. So I have an issue with that wholeheartedly point blank period just strictly because of allergies. Oh. Speaking of allergies, when I went to Jackson's Open House, you would be very happy with this. There are no nuts allowed in any of the classrooms. I love that. I think that's as a kid who did not experience that, like my, that was not how it was. It was basically just like, cross your fingers, good luck, stay away from whoever, and deal with it. I love that. And I get it. I've heard the other side of it. I've heard the argument from parents who are like, my kid only eats peanut butter and jelly or it's the easiest thing for me to make or whatever. And, you know, I sympathize, but at the point where somebody could die, I don't really give a shit. Okay. So it's all. it's plastered all over the classroom doors, like on the outside of the classroom doors, it's like, says like nut free zone. Yeah. Or something.

Jackson loves bars that have some type of nut in them. The cliff bars, I think they're like the macadamian nut cliff bars. He used to take those for snack pretty much every day last year. So when I started going through my pantry before school started, I was like, what is he going to take? And so I just told him, I said, hey, buddy, like, it's a nut-free zone. So you have to take applesauce and, like, maybe a fruit, maybe a yogurt, like something like that. But you can't have bars. And he was like, oh, my gosh, this is ridiculous.

And I see both sides of the argument. I remember he used to only eat like peanut butter and jelly for lunch. And when he was in kindergarten, it was definitely a nut-free zone because I feel like they don't really know how to keep their hands of themselves at that age. So they could not have like any peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or anything like that. And I remember having the conversation with Will and he's like, okay, well, then why, why can the kids with allergies not be sat at a specific table to eat? But then on the flip side of that, isn't that like ostracizing them to some extent too?

Yeah. I remember that after I left the elementary school I was in, like I moved on to like middle school. I think I was about to go into high school and that elementary school started doing like designated tables like that. And at the time, it wasn't as like, I don't want to say popular, but it just wasn't as prevalent as it seems like it is now with people having allergies. And it's just like you might be the like one of like three kids like in a small school. So then what? Like you can't eat with your friends. You can't. I see it. It's so there's no perfect answer and it sucks. Like the perfect answer would be let's figure out how to get rid of the allergy but we're not there yet and

but like the sharing of the things that's that's something that people don't think about like they think cross-contamination is like you accidentally drop nuts in somebody else's food or you accidentally smeared peanut butter on somebody else's thing but it comes all the way down to your hands the utensils used to like make stuff just things that you don't think about like I, Corey's mom will make cookies for Christmas and she'll give us, like, she'll do them separately. And there are still times where I have a reaction because something touched something. And it doesn't matter how, you know, it's hard. It's so hard. I just, I don't know. Like, I also see both sides of the school supply thing. Like, I feel like

everybody should have access to the same stuff, regardless of who bought it. It's like team effort. like, let's all figure out how to make it work. But then at the same time, I also feel like it's so important, like for Jackson being in sixth grade, you need to start learning to keep up with your own shit. Like, it's not your teacher's responsibility to hold containers of like scissors and whatever. And then I also thought, well, maybe because they're scissors and pencils and stuff like that, maybe they don't want them walking around because somebody could use it as a weapon. Like, I don't know what they're thinking. That also is a possibility, especially with, like, the scissors situation. I think that there's, I'm trying to think of like when I was in school.

I'm pretty sure they kept every, like the scissors and stuff were kept together. But like, shit would piss me off because like I was that person that did like the big box of crayons and I would with the sharpener. Oh, yeah. Shit sharpened. There were other kids in the class that liked to be diabolical and break their shit in half. That's Jackson. No, I don't want my, no. Like I like to keep my things the way that I keep my things.

and you can keep yours while you keep yours. It drives me nuts. I had a conversation with him when I was like loading up his backpack for the first day of school. I said, I promise you, you will be grounded. If you come home and all of your stuff from your pencil pouch is at the bottom of

your backpack, like I literally will fucking riot. Like I can't. I was never that kid. I was same as you. Like I liked my stuff all nice and tidy. If one of my crayons broke, I went home and was like,

I need a new black crayon. Like, I kept up with my shit. Also, speaking of school, did you know that they still have home neck in school? No, I thought they got rid of it. Yeah. So my ex-father-in-law was talking to me and he was like, I thought that they got rid of that class like years and years ago. But when I got Jackson's school schedule, his last period class is home-ec.

And I was so excited about it because I remember taking it in sixth grade two and it was one of my favorite classes. Like we learned how to do laundry and like make recipes and I don't know, just like weird like household shit that you need to learn how to do. We learned how to sew and ours. I think she did say that there was like a sewing unit. Also, she said there was a finance unit. Oh, that's smart. I love that. And I'm like, that is so smart. I feel like that is such a useful class and it makes me so sad that schools would take that out. I actually think I learned how to write a check in Homek. I think I did too. I'm pretty sure that's what it was, like how to write a check. And like, I want to checkbook. Yeah. But like I had already known because

my mom taught me, but like for kids who didn't know, it was helpful. And like, I remember making stuff. Like I learned how to make pillows. That used to be my past time. I would go buy fabric at Michaels and I would just whip up a pillow. Don't ask me why. I just did. Okay. Well, I mean, I'm not taking it that far, but learning how to sort laundry. And then the recipe stuff, it made me like interested in learning how to cook. So I think that'll be fun for him because now we cook at home together. So I just think it'll be fun. But he was like, boys shouldn't have to take that class because their moms cook for them. I'm like, Mr. Sir. I was like Lindsay. It is my responsibility to make you pleasant for whoever you end up with in the future. And so you're

going to learn how to do this stuff. And I'm telling you right now, I hope that that teacher teaches him how to turn his socks like the right side way, like, or as my nanny says, insidouturge. I hope she teaches that and how to make his underwear not be in a shorts. Um, I mean, Corey's old enough and that still happens. And the rule is, how do you guys do that? Like, when they go and take their stuff off, is it just like one foul swoop? Yes. They take, they hook both. I watch it. They hook it and they drop it. I just, your bands line up at the top. I just don't understand it. Never, have I ever left like panties, which number one, I don't really wear panties that often anyway. But they're not left in my shorts or my pants. They're like, everything is separated. Yeah, not for guys.

They just hook it and drop it. So interesting. Will told me he was like, um, if I see another skid mark and underwear because I have had to separate shorts from underwear, going to lose my fucking mind. You're like, do I need to go back to teaching how to wipe ass? Wait, I need to know how long your parents wiped your ass. You know what's so funny? I asked my mom this question the other day.

You did? Yes. I literally was talking about something and I said, when did you stop wiping my ass? And she said, when I taught you how to use the toilet, I taught you how to wipe your ass. That was it. And I was like, oh, she said, I don't know. You were probably like, two. And I was like, okay.

Okay. Well, Jackson definitely was not two when he was wiping his ass, but he was somewhere around four. And evidently, I don't think men ever really learn how to properly wipe their ass. No. That's why they have dude wipes. I keep wet wipes in every bathroom of my house just in hopes that I never run across a skid mark. You can't tell me it's not a cleaner experience when you are using a wet wipe and then following it up with toilet paper. wait i feel like it should be opposite i feel like it should be you're using toilet paper and then the wet wipe i mean i'm a very thorough individual so like i know but if you use a wet wipe and then you use toilet paper is there not a risk of toilet paper getting stuck like on your parts i don't know i've never had that happen i don't think but i just like it to be dry you know oh got it yeah it doesn't really bother me if it's like a little damp i don't love that feeling I don't like it at all, actually. So I'm telling you, I have said this to you for weeks now. I'm really considering the bidet. I also am considering a bidet, but back to the ass wiping, I'm asking

you this because I know someone who still wipes their child's ass who's eight years old. Yeah. Yep. Okay. And I'm like, I don't even want to wipe my own ass. No. So why would I be wiping someone else's. I know for a fact that he knew how to wipe his ass by the time he was in pre-K. Yeah. Well, I was trying to think about that. You and Kail probably like two weeks ago talked about teachers, like kids like wiping ass or teachers having to wipe ass or whatever. And I'm thinking to myself, I don't remember any of my teachers ever having to like pause class to go wipe ass. Like I just didn't think that that was a thing. So I kind of started thinking about it there. That's what led me to then ask my mom.

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And I think that is a difference between a boy and a girl because I can remember being an elementary school, specifically in kindergarten. and if I had to poop, I was calling home. Like, I was calling home and needing to get picked up. I wouldn't even, I have, like, the bladder of steel, okay? I wouldn't even pee at school. Until I got my period, I would not pee at school. I would not pee.

I would not poop. You would not catch me in the bathroom. Like, it was not happening. I was so skeved out. And I would hold it all day. And every doctor was like, that's so bad for you. Like, don't hold your bladder that long. we're talking between eight to 10 hours. I mean, I have held this bladder like 13.

You, okay, now this leads me to my next question. Are you the type of person that will lay in the bed at night knowing that you have to pee, but you're holding it until the morning? Yes. Me too. Because once my feet hit that floor, I'm wide awake. Oh, see, I'm not wide awake. Like, I could sleepwalk to the bathroom and pee. It's just like pure laziness am because I can hold it. that's why I don't sleep good when I am a period because if I bleed bad enough, I have to get up multiple times in the night and go take care of it. And then I'm like pissed off because then I'm wide awake. Just absolutely not. I saw this article on people and I need to know how you feel about it. It says woman's PTO is rejected by new line manager after revealing in-depth plans for her

vacation. I need more. I need to know more. So it says a woman is regretting telling her line manager about her vacation plans expressing her frustration on an online forum, the woman explained that she works for a medium-sized company in the UK that requires line managers to approve any paid time off. She said there are five people on her team and there have been no issues with booking vacations in the eight years that she has worked there. However, last month, her former line manager was replaced by someone who previously worked in a different department. She thought the new manager's question about her vacation plans for the fall was just casual passing interest type after telling them she would be going on an almost five-hour flight, they now rejected

her leave request because they don't think that she would be able to fit, she would be fit for work on Monday. That is not for them to decide. That's what I'm thinking. I'm like, if you're at work, you're at work. I will never in my life forget this one job that I had. Actually, it was like around the same time that I started traveling with kale. Like I was already working with her, but like not traveling.

with her. So this was a long time ago. And I was working as an independent contractor. And I was going with kale somewhere. And he tried to tell me that I couldn't go. And I quit, like right on the spot. I quit. You quit this job? Yeah. And it was with my former best friend's dad. I just feel like that's so inappropriate. It was, there was a lot of weird stuff that was going on in that situation. But it was it was really insane and I remember calling Corey and telling him and I was like yeah I can't I'm not going to be able to go and he was like why and I said what like it was I was doing recruiting at the time for the hospitality industry so I was placing people in jobs and stuff and I was working clients that week that were out in L.A and that's where I needed to go so in fact I would have been in the correct

time zone to do that type of stuff and there was really only a couple things that I had to help kale with while I was there and then I was like free the rest of the time and he literally tried to tell me no for that exact reason like you're going to be too tired like whatever like no one gets to determine that for you but I feel like this is a huge HR issue like if PTO is given and the only thing that I know about like corporate jobs and stuff is from just being married to Will I think he gets like two weeks of PTO a year. Does that sound right? Yeah, about like two. Some companies are like 10 days to which two weeks is 10 days in that speak and then or you can get more. It really just depends. Some people have unlimited PTO, but it's not actually unlimited. I think he has 14 days of

PTO a year, which I think is pretty good. But never have I ever heard him having to explain what he's doing while he's taking PTO. I feel like if that is the company's policy that they have to give an explanation on why they're taking PTO, then that should be in their contract. It's actually not legal to ask somebody why they're taking off.

It's not? No. So why did this person just not sue them? So we're looking, at least in the United States, they're in the UK. I don't know about the UK. Hmm. But that's crazy.

But you cannot ask, Like there's things that you can't ask and employers really get fucked up a lot in like doing things that they should not be doing and asking questions that they should not be asking and saying things that they shouldn't be saying. I mean, who's to say that if you went out and had a Sunday fun day, but you were just at home, that you would be less prepared to come to work from a five-hour flight. Like what? Like making sense. Sleeping on the flight. That could have been your sleep. So that's that's insane to me. It's insane to me. Just like the things that happen in a lot of industries is crazy to me. Like for me specifically, my mom and Corey both have FMLA because of my MS. Just in case like I have a flare and I need somebody and whatever. Like when I can't feel my feet or my legs, like they have to drive me to the doctors and all the types of stuff. And I will never forget the first time my mom used FMLA. And, they wanted information about like not just my diagnosis right but they wanted like literal

information and it's like I didn't give you permission so like you can ask her all you want but I didn't give permission for that to be disclosed so it's it's a constant battle it's true not be a hipa violation it gets really sticky it gets really sticky and it's very easy for people to push and say well we need this we need that but that's why if you have a really good doctor they'll literally tell you, like, what they have to know and what they don't. Um, but it, it's, it's hard. It's really tough. Um, completely unrelated news. Last night, I spent actually, basically the entirety of yesterday. I spent time like I could not put the Idaho four book down. I'm super excited to read it. I can't wait to read it. It's going to be great.

There is a lot of information, in my opinion, in that book that connects dots that I feel like we all had questions to. I've heard that it's fantastic. It's so good. Like, you can't put it down. So make sure when you start reading it, that you have time to keep reading it. Basically, put my phone on D&D. Yes. And take PTO.

Actually, take PTO. I actually found my personal focus mode. mode after Saturday of this week, I found that mode again. Yeah. And I need to get back to it because I feel like I'm so much more productive. Same. Same. Like the amount of notifications that come through a phone a day that I feel like you're

just stopping whatever you're doing to read the notification, it's so much more productive, in my opinion, to just take 30 minutes and go through everything versus stopping what you're doing to like answer whatever it is. This has all been within the last hour. Yeah, no. Oh, there's more. Yeah. Yeah, no.

Like, it's so distracting. And even sometimes calls and stuff, like, when you're in the middle of, like, zone in on your work, sometimes calls and stuff can really also F you up. I'm trying to see, like, how do I see my notifications? Okay, these are my since we've been on this recording. Yeah. Look at this. Is that okay? No.

Like, it's not. Like, who did that to us? I don't know. If people could stop blowing up our fucking phones. It's Slack and it's email, Slack, text calls. I also been getting such an increase in spam calls lately that it's really chapping my ass, not just to my personal phone. Also to my work phone, very few people have that number. So I have no idea how the spam people got it. But I'm talking I get 20 a day across like on this phone and that. phone. I don't get like actual spam calls, but what I have been getting is spam from tabloids. Yeah. They'll always find your ass. But I'm like, is that, is that like legal to call someone's personal cell phone that you don't fucking know? Yeah, unfortunately. I have to tell you, speaking of phones, I was talking to Alessandra. And we were looking at this case. She was telling me about it. It was a New Jersey veterinarian and firefighter. They were killed in a double homicide and it was by a state trooper.

Wait, what? Yeah, I said, this is hitting all the service industries. Like, that's absolutely insane. So I pulled a local news article about it. I pulled a whole news article about this and it said a shocking double homicide in Hunterdon County over the weekend left community members and loved ones of the victims reeling. By Monday, there were reports that a state trooper who dated one of the victims was the likely suspect and had been found dead of apparent suicide in Middlesex County. On Saturday at 1222 p.m. Franklin Police responded to an emergency call from a home on Upper Kingtown Road in the Pitts Town section. Officers found 33-year-old local resident Lauren Samanchik and 29-year-old Tyler Webb of the Forked River area of Lacey, who both had been

shot and killed. The victims were mourned on social media as a beloved veterinarian and volunteer firefighter respectfully. On Saturday, Hunterton County prosecutor Renee Robeson said that nothing suggests any danger to the public while not publicly naming a suspect. The New York Times and New Jersey.com both reported state trooper Ricardo Santos, Samanchik's ex-boyfriend, had been identified as a likely suspect before being found dead in a park in Piscataway. As of Monday morning, no prosecutor's office has yet confirmed Santos's ID or a connection to the Pittstown case where Lauren had worked was, you know, in morning. So we're talking, we're like talking about this and I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. So then I see that there is an update and it says dash cam reveals

horror. New Jersey state trooper waited in woods before killing the couple. Wait, so are you telling me that the state trooper dated Lauren, dated the girl. And then now she was dating a firefighter. So state trooper goes out to spy on ex-girlfriend and then kills them both. Kills them both and himself. Oh, wow. Yeah. I don't know about all of you, but for me, it is so easy for my day to just get overtaken my tedious tasks, which leaves little to no time to focus on what I actually love and to best, whether that be meetings that truly could have been an email. We've all been there or just quick errands that turn into all-day events. I know that you know what I'm talking about.

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Township Police to patrol the area of Upper Kingtown Road where 33-year-old Lauren Samanchik lived. It was the next afternoon that police recovered the bodies of Samanchik and 29-year-old Tyler Webb. Santos was also found on Saturday dead of a self-inflicted gunshot inside of a Mercedes SUV parked at Johnson Park in Piscataway. It says dash cam and Samanchik's car shows SUV stalker. Last year, Samanich dated Santos and broke up with him in September of 2004. She told family and friends that Santos had continued harassing and controlling behavior, and as a result, it appeared detectives, as a result, it appeared to detectives that Santos may have been involved in the homicides. As the investigation unfolded, police found that

Samanchik had installed a video surveillance recording system in her vehicle. It also says that on Saturday, detectives were notified that Santos had been found dead alone inside of a white 2008 Mercedes SUV in Johnson Park in Piscataway. The fact that she was being stalked so bad that she had to get a dash cam to drive around in her car. Yep. Says Robeson said it was the same vehicle seen on the surveillance footage taken from Cimanchic's car.

That's fucking insane. He. What is wrong? What is wrong with people? Like what is wrong with just like breaking up and never speaking again? I don't freaking know. It says Ricardo J. Santos has been on public pay records with state police back to 2010. He rose and ranked from trooper to sergeant to sergeant first class and then lieutenant as of 2024 and this year.

If I'm not mistaken, he also guarded the governor at one point and then moved on to guard other like notable officials. So I can't imagine how scared she must have been knowing his rank. yeah because there's power in that yes but like to be stalked so badly i mean stalking in general is not okay but to be to for it to it had to be bad if she was installing a surveillance camera and she had to have seen him doing it yeah to feel the need to like install a freaking dash cam like while you're just driving around to like the grocery storing your job i just can't imagine like I don't understand what makes someone's brain decide to stalk an individual. I will never understand it.

I don't know if it's obsession, control. I don't know. I think it's like a mix of both probably, but I was going to say, I think it's probably both of those factors to some extent. But stalking is absolutely insane. And to do it to an X, it's crazy. Like, I don't know. There's got to be some type of like psychological something that, like,

trigger somebody to think that that's a normal act to do. It's bizarre. It is, I just, it's a really sad story. You know, I feel for all the families involved, right? Like all three of their families, but two people taken senselessly. Mm-hmm. For what? For what? For what? Because you were mad that she moved on. That's what I don't understand. It's like, at the point that you get out of a relationship, what, like, why do you care what that person's doing? Mm-hmm. I also wonder if they're going to do like an internal investigation and see how much of his work time was actually spent stalking. Well, I mean, I would just hope for the family's sake that they could get those answers.

Like, it's not going to change anything because he's dead too. But like, there's got to be something psychologically that goes off in someone's brain to make them do that to somebody that it seems as if she was clear that she didn't want to. want to be with them. She was with someone else. Yeah. It's it's always been really mind-blowing to me. I used to watch on ID channel. They used to have like obsession, dark desires, and it was all about stalking and stuff. I've always been so intrigued by it because I just don't understand how you go from normal, what or what we think is normal to something, some switch being flicked on and now you're stalking. The only thing I can think of because I've had a

a situation. I've had a situation before that I do know that there was stalking that was going on that also then led to obsessive amounts of phone calls and then from the obsessive amounts of phone calls and then being blocked, calling from no caller ID, um, following me into parking lots, like crazy shit like that. And then resorting to messaging me on other platforms to get my attention. I do think it has to do with obsession and control, but like together. I do think that there are certain types of personalities when you are with someone. They feel like they have a possession over you because of that relationship. And then when that's gone, it's almost like people who do stuff like

that, they don't know what to do when it's gone. So it makes them go even crazier. Yes. I just can't imagine. I feel for all of the families involved, that's so sad, so sick, so unfortunate. Also, like, your home should be your safe place, right? Like, if you are safe nowhere else, you should be safe in your home. And for someone to, not that it would have made it right, if she was, like, at her job or, like, out at the grocery store, it's not right in its entirety. But coming to someone's home is such a personal trespass, in my opinion. Like, if you're broke up from someone, don't go to their fucking house. I don't know, I know back in the day, like, the whole open door policy thing and whatever. I don't know anybody that practices that these

days. Open door policy. Of like, you can stop by anybody's house at any time. Like, that's how my mom was raised, right? Like, you can show up whenever. I am to like that to a degree. There's, certain people that I don't care, but there's a lot of other people that I'm like, I would care if you just showed up at my house. I don't know anybody that practices the you can, you're every, like, you're welcome at any time, especially after you broke up. Like, why are we going to people's homes? Unannounced, for no reason, to do nothing good. It's never good. That's never going to end well. No. See, I'm exactly the opposite. I feel like you have somewhat of an open door policy with specific people. I have a closed door policy with everyone. Yeah. You're like, you better call me

before you got. Yeah. And it's like, it's not that there's anything going on over here, right? It's just like, I don't know. I might be in the bubble bath, like putting on a face mask. And if I hear my doorbell ring or I hear someone walk through my house. I think it's different, though, because you are alone, right? So like I was at my parents' house, like growing up around it, I didn't have the same feeling of when it was just Corey and I in our apartment, I was like, do not come here because, like, there's nobody should be coming here unless they're calling. And then when we got this house, I went like semi, but I wasn't always like that. When we first moved in, I was like, this house is getting locked up like Fort Knox. Don't come here because Corey was working night shift.

And I just didn't feel comfortable. I have like a false sense of security with him being here. Mm-hmm. This house is locked up light Fort Knox at all times. And I don't even want anybody ringing my doorbell. Like there was a, I was in the shower on Friday and I heard my doorbell ring. And I was like, why the fuck is someone at my house? Because Amazon and stuff, they don't, Amazon FedEx, whatever, they don't ring the bell. They just stick it at the front door. So I'm like, who's there? Well, I come downstairs after I've toweled off and it's a door hanger. for voting for senator. Then you're like, stop. And I thought I was possibly being robbed. I just, I don't know. I do think that it does have something to do with the fact that it's either just me here or it's me and Jackson.

I'm actually more afraid when it's me and Jackson. And I don't know if it's because I know that I have to be in like a protective mode. Yeah. Well, it's just that's your child. I think that you are always going to feel more unknown. when your child's present rather than just you because you're only worried about you but it's you i don't even like i mean if it's after eight o'clock know that my doors are fucking locked down like prison in this house my door gets locked after every time it gets open and

closed do you have like the um automatic lockers yes or automatic no i have the key code just lock it And then I have sensors on all doors that can lead to the outside. Like every door that I have, I have sensors on. And it tells me on my phone when one's open and one's closed. Will has those automatic door lockers. And I'm like, I need to get those. Like you walk through. It just, like, he doesn't click anything?

No. So like, well, I was over there the other day and opens the door. And when the door closes behind you, it just automatically locks. Oh. Interesting. Have you seen those? No. Yeah. It just, I mean, it sounds like it's locking. It's just like, uh-huh. Interesting. That is really interesting. I don't know. I like it. I like the concept. For me, it's easy just because it's hooked to my phone so I can just click lock. And it'll lock for me. And I check it all the time. Like if I hear something, especially when I'm in my office, my office is completely on the other side of the house than the front door. So if I hear something, especially when I'm in here and I'm recording or I'm doing work or whatever and the door is closed, I immediately check.

that. I will immediately be like, did somebody just come in? Completely unrelated, but I need to know if you were a type of kid growing up that you got motion sick and a moving vehicle. That's me now. It's been my whole life. I can't sit in the backseat of a car. If I am dead asleep, I can. If there's any shot that I'm going to be awake, I'm puking. Like, I think about when we were on tour. And we left from Houston to go to Dallas. Number one, I just don't like driving in the dark. And I wasn't even the person driving.

Kail was the person driving, even scarier. However, I do not like being on dark roads, like whether it be a back road, a highway, like, not happening. If I cannot get there by the time that the sun starts going down, I don't need my ass doesn't need to be going. So that's number one. Number two, I was in the backseat of the car with Taco Bell. I felt like I was going to absolutely hurl. Oh, yeah. I have to be able to see out the front windshield.

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I don't know what it is for me. Back seats are horrific. I took Uber not that long ago to Philly in a Tesla. It was my first and only time. Oh, my God. And the way that I did not think that I was going to make it there without throwing up all over this girl's car. I was so sick that I almost asked her to pull over on the highway because we got stuck in traffic. But like the nausea doesn't just like stop when the car stops.

Like once it's going, it's going. And I was like, oh, I'm sweating profusely. Like it's going to happen. And I was like, never again. I don't know if it's like a myth or it's actually real. both of my grandmothers used to tell me to just like suck on a peppermint. That's for knowledge of purposes. Yeah. So I would always do that when I was in the backseat of a car, but I saw this article on parents.com and it says parents are putting band-aids on their kids belly buttons for motion

sickness. Never heard of that. I've heard about different like things to try. I've heard about the glasses that you could do when you're like in an airplane or in a car on a boat, anything like that. I've heard that you take dramamine. Not that shit works for me. So it says if you've spent any time scrolling parenting reels on TikTok and Instagram, they claim to teach you things veteran parents wish that they knew earlier. You're likely to come across this one sticking crisscross band-aids over your kid's belly buttons to prevent nausea during car rides, plane travel, and even boat trips.

While there's no solid scientific evidence backing this technique, plenty of parents swear by it. It says on one of these reels, this person said, it's an easy trick and it helped my kid with motion sickness on road trips. You just stick a bandaid over the belly button, worked like a charm on our last drive. My question is, what is in the bandaid that would prevent motion sickness and is it an actual scam? Because I do know kids, I would say, up until they're like five or six years old, even if they don't need a bandaid, you put it on them and they're like, oh, it's so much better, but it's like not. You think it's like a psychological thing? I think it has to be.

I mean, it could be. I can't imagine what the criss-cross over the belly button would do. But if it keeps kids from not hurling, like I was that child on airplanes using the barf bags. Oh my God. See, I would just have to go nowhere because if there's one thing about me, I will do anything to prevent myself from throwing up. Also same. Mm-hmm. So it says on here, the mom fluencer with more than 200,000 followers wrote,

it sounds super crazy, but it totally works for both my children. This has saved us so many times and we do it every single time we go on long car rides. She even suggests that it might help adults too, though she admits she's not sure why it works. It could be a placebo. She then says, but I also read the Band-Aid stimulates some acupressure points to relieve nausea. Like, what type of Band-Aid are you putting over there because there is not a band-aid that's going to give enough pressure that's going to stop me from being sick. No. You know what? I'm going to test this. I'm going to test this out. When I go on my road trip at the end of the month, I'm going to crisscross my belly button and I'll report back. Did you know why motion sickness even happens, though? Like, it can happen

for a variety of reasons. So, like, mine is because my brain's stupid. But there's... This coming from a doctor says motion sickness happens when our ear senses motion, but our eyes are not giving that input of standing still, usually because we're reading or watching something on a screen. Speaking of reading or watching something on a screen, the fact that Kail and Ray Lowry sent us a photo of her reading in the car. Like while moving. Yeah. That's got to be like God's favorite children. What was my response back? I'd be hurling. That's exactly what I said. I would be hurling. Remember when like SUVs, it was like so popular back in the day to have the TVs like in the headrest? I couldn't even watch a movie in the car. I couldn't watch anything. I can't be on my

phone. I like have an iPad. When I'm on a plane, I can't do shit. I cannot do shit. I cannot read. I need to close my eyes and just like try to not be where I'm at. Wait, did you think that like all the people that had the TVs in the back of the car that was like a sign of extreme wealth? Well, it's funny because like I had them because my mom was like a Chrysler van. Yeah. And like had the two screens that pulled down from the top. Oh, yeah. And I didn't, it was regular to me. But then I had friends that were like You have a TV in your car? You have TVs in your car? Like what? Yeah. Isn't that crazy though? I'm like, first of all, the older that I've gotten, the less technology I want to be involved in. So, like, the least amount of technology that can fuck something up, because I always feel like there were issues with the car TVs.

Nothing has been better for me than getting my pool and not having a deck. So my phone, I don't even take it outside. Okay, but while I say no technology, also not me thinking of. going to Walmart sometime this week to get a TV to mount outside for the hot tub so that Jackson and I can watch college football. Okay, but that's different. Like that serves a purpose, right? Like, you're going to be in the hot tub watching it. Or do you have space like to get the projector? Because I'd do that. Okay. Well, number one, I'm not doing that because again, that is an extreme level of technology that I'm not doing. That's number one. Number two, I need to know people who have

outdoor TVs as we are approaching fall. I've read so much about outdoor TVs and the expense of an actual outdoor TV is so much. Like they are so expensive. And I found this one article and it was like, if you're trying to save money, like, will you replace it ever so often? Yes. But it's still going to be cheaper than buying the initial outdoor TV. So I think I'm just going to buy a regular TV. I've seen a lot of people do that or they just don't mount it and they like take it in and out. Oh, I'm not doing that either. Fair. That's also a job. Hey, also can I build my basement out yet? Lindsay Brooke. What the hell do you need more space for? I need a kitchen down there. Why? To do kitchen stuff. You have a kitchen. You're sitting at

the counter right now. It's beautiful. I am in my kitchen, but that is. is for the kitchen things I need this kitchen for. What kitchen things do you need that kitchen for? Well, like, if you're in the hot tub or you're like chilling outside and I also need another grill because I want to put, I have the two deck situation. So I don't want to walk up and down to like grill when I could just have a little fine. I'll settle for a kitchenette. You could, what it sounds like to me is you need a grill outside, right?

because you're not grilling inside. No, me. Not even in the basement. It sounds like you need like a grill in a wet bar. Yeah. With a mini fridge. No, a full fridge. You have no idea the amount of liquid,

Jackson and I consume, and it's truly alarming. I counted how many Gatorade bottles that we drank just last week. And mind you, I didn't have him all last week. Yep. Like, just select days that I had him last week. 36 gatorades in like three days yeah yes yeah at least you guys are hydrated we're hydrated

little bitches over here yeah and on that note we have foul play okay this is a this is a goody hi kitties i have a foul play for you my husband and i got married this past january we were engaged for 18 months which we did purposely because weddings are so expensive and we knew we needed time to afford the day we wanted. Jokes on us were still 20K and credit card debt, but that's a different story for a different time. Honestly, I feel you. Our wedding day was beautiful and after it was over, we went back to the hotel with a bunch of our friends and family. We stayed up drinking and eating Taco Bell in the hotel office several hours. This sounds like we might have been in the same place after the Columbus tour. The vibes were right, but around midnight or so,

I went upstairs to our room to go to sleep. And I also let my parents go home and go to sleep because they were up there taking care of our two-year-old daughter. Around 4.30 a.m. I woke up feeling extremely nauseous. I knew I hadn't drank too much because I never felt drunk at any point in the night, not during the wedding and not after. And honestly, I felt like it couldn't have been the Taco Bell because I eat Taco Bell more than any, because I eat Taco Bell more than I am willing to admit. Whatever the case, I leap out of the bed that myself, my husband, and my two-year-old are sleeping in and run to the hotel bathroom vomiting profusely. I alert my husband and he goes downstairs to try to locate a sprite or ginger ale for me, I drank what I could and forced

myself to go back to sleep, assuming I'd feel better when we woke up around checkout time. Well, I didn't feel better. In fact, I couldn't even stand up straight. I was basically useless in trying to pack up our room and our toddler and barely made it to the car in the parking lot without being sick again. We grabbed some drive-through breakfast because I knew I couldn't sit at a real restaurant and started our hour drive home. It was the most miserable drive of my life and I almost had to ask my husband to pool over multiple times. First of all, drive through breakfast when you're already nauseous. Horrific mistake. I'm like, if you're that nauseous, I wouldn't even be able to eat. No, don't eat anything at all. She says, I made it home without incident, but then

proceeded to throw up and shit myself every hour for the next five days. I'm to find out I had the norovirus. Then my husband got it and finally our two-year-old got it too. It was awful. The universe really said, y'all are going to learn the meaning of in sickness and in health immediately. It was a miserable experience, but looking back, I'm honestly just grateful we didn't have any big honeymoon plans or a fancy couple's retreat immediately after our wedding like we initially wanted to. That was a prime example of everything working out for a reason. I hope we never experienced the norovirus ever again because it was 10 out of 10 the worst thing I've ever gone through, but we are living happily ever after anyway. I love you ladies. Have a great week.

She also sent us some pictures of her wedding and you looked gorgeous. Number one, I need to know if you're sick, are you a Sprite, a ginger ale, or a Gatorade? If I am stomach sick, I'm attempting ginger ale. I am never attempting Sprite. I'm attempting ginger ale. If that doesn't work, I'm drinking Coke. No, if I am stomach sick, I want a yellow Gatorade. Yes, you do, and it's very fucking bizarre.

It's so bizarre, and that's the only time that I ever. like a Gatorade. Secondly, I will say that the neuro neuro, whatever you call it, virus is truly the worst thing that's ever hit me in my entire life and getting that where you are not at home in your bed. No. Like, I was in a whole other fucking country. Nope. Nope. And the moment that I logged on TikTok when I finally came to and realized that neurovirus was like rampant in Cancun. It's like, why did someone do this to me? Like, who said that this was a good idea? I have never felt so sick in my entire life, never thrown up that many times and never shit

that many times. No, I've heard it's insane. I've heard that it is the worst stomach sick you'll ever experience in your damn life. That was definitely a situation of you need to be sitting on the toilet and have a trash can so that it can come out of both ends. That's me anytime I'm stomach sick. It's always like that vicious. It's not good. Okay, but is it just me? Like, I got lost in the story when she said that they stopped for fast food breakfast because nobody in the car would be getting

fast food breakfast. I'm just wondering, were they feeding their kid or was she also eating? Because, like, that was. I don't care who it was. Like, everybody's going hungry or we're getting crackers. Like, I cannot. The smells, the smells of food in a car send me into a different orbit. it. I remember when you and Kale first started Coffee Convus podcast, you said that you could not stand the smell of a fucking banana being opened in the car. No. My stepdad used to do that all the time. And I would get in fights with my mom. Like, why are you with him? Why are you with him? Any person, number one, that likes to stroll around with a banana like that, fucking weird. Secondly, any person that just decides to like pop open a banana when we're driving down fucking 85 also weird also throw the pill out

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