Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Sins of the Parents & the Internet Sleuth Power

Episode Date: May 23, 2024

CC351: Lindsie and Kail share their thoughts on the Sins of the Parents: The Crumbley Trials docu-series. Kail is stunned by the story of Amora Lex, the woman who dropped her kids off at CPS claiming she could no longer care for them. Lindsie finds out the FDA found traces of the avian flu in milk, and Kail gives props to a certain group of internet sleuths who did something useful. Today's Foul Play has us googling a very unusual sex toy. Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more! Thank you to our sponsors! Hiya Health: Receive 50% off your first order at hiyahealth.com/COFFEECONVOSIQBar: Get 20% off every IQBar product plus free shipping when you text CONVOS to 64-000. By Texting 64000, you agree to receive recurring automated marketing messages from IQBAR. Message and data rates may apply. No purchase required. Terms apply, available at IQBAR.com. Reply "STOP" to stop, "HELP" for helpKiwico: Get 20% off on your Summer Adventure Series at kiwico.com/SUMMERCOFFEEStitch Fix: Get started today at StitchFix.com/coffeeconvosWayfair: Visit Wayfair.com or get the Wayfair mobile app

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. Hi Lindsey. Good morning. Welcome to Coffee Convo's podcast. I am wearing a rain jacket and I need to know where that jacket came from because that's so cute. This is from Free People and I don't want to hear a Free People slender because I know they're a little bit expensive but it has this the coolest like little because I know they're a little bit expensive, but it has this, the coolest like little tie jaw string

on the bottom. So cute. I love your fashion girl era. Thanks. I'm just trying to try new things and kind of come out of my comfort zone a little bit. Can I tell you what happened to me whenever I woke up and I honestly got mortified?

What? I woke up and I had blood on my pillow and I was like no I was like wait, where did this come from and I immediately started panicking because I'm like brushing my nose like Where is this coming from? I go into the bathroom wash my face brush my teeth as I do every single morning and I look at my ear and Do you see this? I like try to clean it up as good as I possibly could, but my second hole,

my earrings just gone. Like I have no idea where it's at. I got my second hole pierced when we were in Nashville. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What like, oh, almost two years ago? Yeah. Yeah. Because I think you were pregnant with twins. Oh yeah. Preg pregnant with the twins. And this one has always like given me a problem. Yeah. And I have a huge sensitivity to different types of metals. And so it's always given me a problem. So on my to do list today is to go to the jeweler and try to find earrings that aren't going to break out my ears. I have in my second holes, I have these permanent hoops. They don't really come out. They're easy to clean because they are hoops.

They're not studs and they don't like get crusty or whatever. But I also have the same problem with my third and fourth hole is keeping earrings in them and then not breaking up. These are gold. These like little tiny hoops are gold. Maybe that, I don't know if you're like a gold wearer or maybe like sterling silver would be good, no nickel. Well, whatever it was that was in my ear, I've always been sensitive to it. It got fine and then it just started bleeding.

That's why I don't know what happened but come to think of it, my ear has been sore for like a week. Oh. And it's like, it was so long ago. Does that ever happen to anybody else or just me? Maybe you pulled on it in your sleep or something. That's the only thing I think of.

If it like got like attached to something or like a blanket or something, and I just didn't feel it whenever I was sleeping. So that's on my to-do list today. We have lots of things to cover on this episode, and one of those is sins of our parents. We had a listener write in and said, "'Hey, girly pops, I'm glad you're covering

"'the Oxford shooting and the Crumblies trial. "'I'm so confident that once you see this documentary "'and get all of the information, "' you will definitely think they are in the wrong. I wanted to give you guys a little bit of background as I live in Michigan and work in the Michigan Legislature. There were laws that went into effect early this year regarding the safe storage of firearms and more. This bill, unfortunately, went into effect after the Oxford shooting happened. So the reason why this trial was so extensive had to do with the fact that the state couldn't easily prosecute them because there was no such law on the books. Now it would be much more easier to charge families who are guilty of not properly

storing firearms. As I'm sure you will soon discover, these parents consistently ignored their child's cries for help when he was blatantly saying he was not okay mentally and was having bad thoughts. This family, particularly the father, told him to man up and laughed in his face. The craziest and saddest part of this tragedy is the day that the shooting occurred, the mother was called to the school to have a meeting with a representative of the school because the shooter, their son, was found in the class drawing guns and bodies with pools of blood around them. They brought back the shooter into the office with a gun in his backpack and had a meeting where his mom was defensive and ultimately ended up leaving early. He was sent back to class. This has brought up conversation on if the school should also be held responsible

in some way since it could have been prevented. We would love to hear your thoughts. I'm sure you will discover this information and more elsewhere, but I wanted to share this anyway. Please reach out with any other questions. On a more positive note, I love you guys. Yes, you too, Kristen, and don't let the bastards get you down. I was absolutely mind blown whenever I watched this.

Actually, Kale and I were having conversations yesterday over text message just about our thoughts. I would love to hear your thoughts and see if I think the same thing. So initially, I didn't realize how bad it was and how deep it went, right? Like I could not have prepared myself for this. There's no doubt in my mind that both the school and the parents should be held accountable. And I'm upset at the end results with the school and we can get into that in a little bit.

I'm actually highly concerned about that. If it was my children's school, I would have rioted probably. The signs were there, right? So the son in the documentary that I watched, the son literally asks his mom for help. It said that he asks her for help and she laughs at him. Like it's a joke, right? The drawings that happened at school that prompted the meeting for the parents to come in and on camera it shows two people.

So I'm pretty sure it's not just the mom, but it's also the father as well. Or is that the stepfather? I thought it was the dad. So I'm pretty sure it's not just the mom, but it's also the father as well. Or is that the stepfather? I thought it was the dad. I thought so too. They left the school without their child. And I think that that is a fault of both the parents and the school because the counselor should have never given the option

to leave that child at school. The counselor gets up on the witness stand and he says that he gave them the option and the child decided that he wanted to stay. Now I will say that given the circumstances and what we know about this family and the conditions of their lives, really, I mean, their house was, it wasn't just a boy that was disturbed. I think that the condition of their entire house was a reflection of their.

Mental health, all three. That's what we were saying yesterday when we were talking about it, that there evidently was a lot of mental stuff going on as them as a family, like as a collective. Right. Because I mean, if you're a child who is well cared for, has the resources for mental health advocacy, and just resources to get help, you're not moving into a second bedroom because your current bedroom is so filthy that you can't live in it anymore. That is a direct reflection of the state of your just your entire life. So I understand why he would

want to stay at school unrelated to thinking about shooting it up, right? He probably wanted to stay at school because it felt like a safer environment is what I took from it, right? He has to go home to this filth. He has to go home to this cluttering of just pure chaos and he's unloved. He's completely ignored. And one of the quotes that I wrote down was someone saying that the opposite of love is not hate. It is being straight up ignored.

And I thought that was really interesting because I've heard that before, right? Like you think, okay. I've never heard that. Oh, so he's, one of the guys says it in the documentary I watched and I was like, and was describing that to be his life, the shooter's life. So he was saying, you can't really feel bad for him,

but he was dealt a really shitty hand from the get-go. So he was not you can't really feel bad for him, but he was dealt a really shitty hand from the get-go So he was not set up for success in any way shape or form. I have two thoughts on that. I think that the school should have never given him an option to stay at school regardless of the conditions of the home because the school's responsibility is to keep the entire school safe. And at the point that that became a question to them enough for them to call the parents to the school and have a meeting, at that point, I believe the child should have been sent home. I would agree with that. And I'm going to take that a step further.

At the point that a school official administration, whatever realizes or acknowledges that a parent is being standoffish, defensive, irritated that they're there, there's a bigger problem. And here in Delaware, every single person is a mandated reporter. So that means if you see something out on the street that happened to a child, you were supposed to report it. It doesn't matter if you're a teacher,

if you're an official, if you have a job, if you don't have a job. I can't imagine a world where I walk into my son's school. One, I act like I can't stand to be there. And two, I'm walking out without my kid in this scenario. If nothing more, I just wonder what the laws are for them to require the student to like stay in the office and to have some type of official meeting with Child Protective Services or something without the parents present? Is that even allowed with them being minors? I don't know what the laws are for that.

The child should have been sent home, in my opinion. CPS, DFACS, whatever they call it, should have been called to that home for there to be some type of investigation before that child ever returned to school. It is their responsibility to keep that school safe. And that to me does not seem safe. My other thought on that is did the child want to stay at school for the reason that he did not want to be home? Or did the child want to stay at school because he knew what he had already predetermined in his mind that he was going to do? I think it was both. I think had he had the resources

and people actually reaching out to help him, it would have been more of a scenario of wanting to stay at school for the safety and the comfortability, but because of the situation at home, it ultimately spiraled. It's really sad because I do feel like the school also failed him in some ways.

When my kids have had an off day this year specifically, a teacher has reached out to me. So actually two teachers have reached out to me and said, hey you know he's really not feeling it. There was one day that Lux really wanted me and the teacher called me on the phone and she was like, Lux is having a rough day. He really misses you. He said he misses you and things like that. And I'm like, yeah, he's in kindergarten. And so it's a lot different than like maybe a high school student, but I just feel like given what we know,

how did you look at this student and never? How did it get this far? And, and nobody did anything about it. That is what's concerning to me. Also as a parent, I feel like it is extremely negligent to have a child come to you, try to seek help, share their concerns in the best way they possibly can about themselves. And then you laugh in their face. I don't care what the situation is. At that point, you are a negligent parent.

But she could leave her job to go fuck her boyfriend. She can have an affair. You know what the wildest part to me was as a mother watching the shooter's mother up on that stand and say looking back, she would not have done anything differently. You wouldn't have ended your affair. You wouldn't have double checked on your son's mental health. You wouldn't have gotten him resources. You wouldn't have cleaned your fucking house and maybe started there. Like I have absolutely Kale that house looked like it belonged on the show hoarders. 1000% of course this is what I mean, you're bringing a child into this mass chaos and you can't even declutter your house to a point where it's livable for everyone to function

properly. Like, I just can't so at some point point, mom tells her boyfriend, the one that she's fucking having an affair with, this is not to be confused with the child's father, that she told, she tells him that she's concerned that her son might do something, yet she never does anything to prevent that something from happening. At minimum, when that was stated on the documentary, If nothing, if she did nothing else other than secure that firearm, but that was never done. So let's also talk about that because the parents and I do think the dad plays dumb a lot of the time, like acts like that's going to get him some fucking brownie points or

get him out of the trouble. Let's talk about how they fled. They fled their city and went into hiding. So that's problem 198. The next issue I have is them lying, saying that it was locked up. The gun case that I saw in the documentary looks like one that I have seen before, where it does not have any sort of lock or contraption to make it secure. You have to add your own, whether it be like a lock that you like, one of the cord ones or like an actual lock. The son testifies that it never had one where the parents are saying, yes, it did.

It was secure. We don't know where the lock is. I tend to believe the son because the son has asked for help. The son was doing all these things and this gun was purchased with his own money, which is so, I don't give a shit how much money my kids save up. I'm not buying them a gun, period. Point blank. They are children. You're not

getting a gun. I tend to believe the son as well. I told you that. I don't believe there ever was a lock. I think they were saying that as a cover your ass move. At that point, there was never a lock on there. And that's why it wasn't found. There was a criticism towards the end of the documentary. And I don't know if you caught it. But a criticism came from this came from like general public. Some people were raising concerns about the parents being convicted of this. Because if we

make an example out of them, the people who are actually trying as parents and are really good parents, and if this was to happen to them, then they are going to get punished for their children's actions. But I just- I disagree with that. I agree. I agree with you. I don't think that that's the case.

I think that if you are a trying parent, a responsible parent, your kids are not going to have such easy access to guns in the first place. I feel like this situation and and I said before, every situation should be looked at as the individual situation and the circumstances that surround that situation. In this case, if you are comparing it to people who are actually active participants in their child's life.

They have a struggling child, but they're getting their child help. That automatically changes the situation as a whole. Right, like it's not a case law situation where it's almost identical. If you tried to cite this as an example, it already doesn't fit the criteria. And so I don't have the same concerns.

Obviously there are always that very few and far between one that is like just an unfortunate situation. Yeah. Yeah. That's, you know, it sucks, but that's just the way that life goes, unfortunately. But this specifically, the parents set this child up for failure. I don't think the child would have gone through this or this would have happened if he was in a different family. But also if you can't handle a child, why are you raising one? It's the end of the year,

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drawing was on the school paper until the meeting happened. I can't remember how. Why did it drawing? Wait, no, no, no. The drawing to the meeting, I believe was the same day or the next day. But I think if I remember correctly, it was four days before the shooting. But to me again, the school is negligent because at the point that the teacher took it to the administration at theent because at the point that the teacher took it to the administration at the school, at that point, they should have called home and said that

that child cannot attend a regular school day until the parents have come and had a meeting at that school. He should have never been allowed back in that building. He shouldn't, in my opinion, if this was where my child went to school, I would have argued that this child should not come back until they've had a mental health evaluation. 100%. The child needs to go home, cannot come back until we have proof of, because blood everywhere, I can't stop my thoughts.

That is cause for concern, but for some reason the counselor was saying that he didn't feel like he was a threat to others. How not? Also, my other question is, is why was the backpack not searched? Well, so I also wrote down something like that. If we're talking about... Because that would be probable cause. To me, that photo is probable cause for a searching of a locker, of a backpack, of a

jacket. Probably a bedroom. Yeah. a locker, the backpack, a jacket, a bedroom. Like, yeah, and I get it gets a little bit convoluted. But I think you have to consider the safety of others and the state of society that we live in, right? Like these mass shootings are happening at schools more often than they ever should have. And so you have to take those extra precautions, you don't get the grace of not oh, well, we'll we just hope that nothing happens, or maybe

this case isn't it. And you had texted me saying that you were nervous about going to a public event not too long ago, and your friends told you that you can't live like this. Kristin and I have these conversations regularly. And unfortunately, I don't think this is a case of like, you can't live like this, you shouldn't live like this. That is the reality of our society where we should think about those things because we have to have a plan

before we go somewhere public or before we send our kids to school. And the scary thing is, is anything could happen anywhere, right? And you have to be aware of your surroundings and have your head on a swivel at all times. I can just tell you, I went to a free concert

and just a mass group of people and I found myself biting my fingernails off. This is literally what they look like. Bitten my fingernails off, looking around, just disturbed after watching this documentary and just thinking about the things that could possibly happen. I understand that some people might say, oh, well, that's intrusive thoughts. No, it's not anymore. But I think it's reality and it's society. I agree with you wholeheartedly agree with you.

I'm disappointed that the school is giving government. It said government, governmental immunity and that there was a lack of evidence to hold the school accountable. I cannot agree with that. I absolutely cannot agree with that. I think that the school as a whole was negligent. They did not do their due diligence. And I do think they should be held accountable.

And I, you know, they have to live with the regret. The people that were involved in this have to live with it for the rest of their lives. But I do feel like that specifically needs to be. Here's the thing. We're spending a lot. I don't want to get political, but we are spending a lot of money on things

like the TikTok ban and stuff like that where clearly we need metal detectors or something, searches in our schools. Like I just feel like to avoid things like this, there could be extra things done to prevent. And if that means putting out money for things like metal detectors and school searches, like, and that's gonna prevent children losing their lives in schools. I think it's a necessary thing. And I think that we have

to wake up to realize that these things do happen. We read about them all the time, see it on the news all the time. At what point is something going to be done about it? That's number one. My school had a metal detector in it. You walked through it every day. I tend to agree that they could, I mean, then you run into the problem of when they go off, are they being like truly searched? Because I also think, you know, I went to a store yesterday. Where did I go yesterday? Um, I went to the family dollar yesterday, right? And I was like, Oh, I don't, I was kind of in a rush and I was like, Oh, I don't need a bag. I'll just take it. Whatever. And it went off. The alarm went off. And she's like, don't worry about it. Because it would have been a nuisance for her to come check

out what it was. She just sent me through. And so I also think that that could be the, that could be a problem that we have in schools too. It's like, we have to start at the beginning of the day. And if you go through and it goes off, are we actually going to like search the backpacks and go through everything if it goes off? So it's like a catch-22. Maybe it would prevent some, but not all. I don't know. But I just think about we're sending our children into these school buildings and stuff like this is happening. We go through an airport and we go through a full-blown search. So why is the same thing not happening at schools if we're continuing to have the same problem?

I mean, the airport version, I mean, I can't imagine what it would cost, but I feel like we've spent money on worse things. So I don't know, but all in all, if anyone did not watch it and it doesn't plan to watch it because we've pretty much summarized it, the parents were tried and convicted of four counts of involuntary manslaughter amongst other things, I believe, maybe a child, something.

And then they were sentenced to 10 to 15 years. And then the son, the shooter, was convicted and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Which I think is fair, but also sad. And then, you know, could get into a whole conversation, which we're not, about about the rehabilitation aspect in prison although he will be there for life he needs mental health help and I I hope that he can get it I hope so too I really do I also know that you want to talk about Amore Alex did you hear about this I did.

Okay, great. So I'm gonna summarize. And I sent stuff to Kristen about this because I was like, what the actual hell? Okay, for anyone who has not heard of Amora Lex, I'm gonna give the bullet, I'm gonna give the quick bullet points that you guys need to know.

So these are the bullet points you guys need to know. Amora Lex is a mother, a single mother of five. We think, the internet thinks that there are four dads to these five children, okay? She claims there is nothing wrong with her. She needs a break. She's tired of working two jobs. I believe she's also in school. The dads don't help and never have helped.

She gets food stamps and was previously getting government assistance for childcare. But because she was taken off that assistance, she had to quit her two jobs because she didn't have childcare. She claims that she's not lazy. She does music and she models. And that is how she was able to afford a down payment

on the house that she lives in because her career was kind of starting to take off in music. She's been a mom since she was 15, again, possibly four fathers. She claims that she's tried to get help for these kids for years and years, but none of the dads wanted to help. And she's gone on live Facebook before and social media before asking for help. And basically she says if she doesn't get help by 5 p.m. on this day,

she's going to drop her kids off at the fire station. She ends up going to the fire station, but they will not take the children because the children are not newborns. So she then takes them to CPS and drops them off, okay? Upon dropping them off, she relinquishes her children and gets on social media and then makes posts, including but not limited to, we're outside,

I'm free and things of that nature. I thought it was satire at first. Like when I first, first, first heard of this, I thought it was satire, I thought it was a joke, I did not take it seriously. And had I known that there was a woman crying for help before her children to basically take her children for the time being I would have done it I would have taken her kids in like I would have done it I don't have words because I get it right like working up working multiple

jobs having multiple children what I can't understand is putting this on Facebook and then turning around and saying, we're outside, I'm free. I think that there are a lot of mental health issues that are also going on with her. And while I can't understand the situation because I'm not in it. I sympathize with a struggling mother that feels that way, that has no help, is on government assistance, literally crying for help and still doesn't get it, working multiple jobs and no telling what she was getting in food stamps and childcare assistance and then that being taken away. So ultimately you have to quit your job so that you can take care of your children. This might be an unpopular opinion, but I would rather see a mother drop her children

off at CPS than other stories that we've heard before of a woman being under some type of mental stress and emotional distress to the point that she harms her children. And I agree with that. I think putting them in a safe-ish because we know what happens. We've heard stories and horror stories of what happens with foster care and temporary placement,

but we've also heard great stories of things like that. So I think it could go either way. And if you're willing to get on the internet and ask for help from strangers in that way, it would be the same as dropping them off with CPS and still not really knowing the person that you're dropping your kids off with. I think the internet thing just kind of makes me think,

was she doing this to gain some type of following, to like monetize off of something to become viral or I don't know. I just don't understand that part of it. So I think she was trying to reach out to the dads for help and nobody wanted to help her. No family members wanted to help her. And so this was like her a desperate, I will say this and come for me if you want. It's going to be a controversial take. I have a hard time with putting yourself in a situation where after the second child, you already knew that the dads weren't involved.

The dads were not involved. People will say I'm a hypocrite. However, my kids' dads are involved and I had the means to take care of my children with or without their fathers. So my scenario is very different. You have one child, you claim that the dad is not involved. So you turn around and you have another one. You learn that that dad is quickly not involved.

You then have a third one and the child is not, the dad's not involved. Why are you putting yourself in another situation to have a fourth and fifth child when you cannot do this on your own and nobody is helping you? Why are you continuing to put yourself in that position? I just wonder, because you've got to look at why people make the decisions that they make, right? And it could stem from childhood. Like what was she seeking with these men?

And was she like a, what do they call it? Like a hopeless romantic type person thinking that next person was gonna be the savior. And then it ended up the same situation every time. Like, was that the situation? But at some point you have to, like- I see your point. I'm just saying-

Protect yourself in terms of having children. Because if you're waiting for your knight in shining armor and you think this is the one and this is like picture perfect and blah, blah, blah, why are you having unprotected sex though? Like they can be your knight in shining armor with protection. Because they just feel your knight in shining armor with protection because they just feel like if you already have these kids that nobody's helping you with, why are

you continuing to put yourself in that situation and bringing life? I just, I would be curious to know what the quality of life all five of these children had before, like basically their entire lives. I would love to hear from the children and know like, what was the quality of life? Like were they neglected? Were they not neglected? Was she, like, I just can't wrap my head around this. I'm struggling with that because I do think my scenario

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because where is this girl's parents? Where are the parents of these fathers, even if the fathers aren't involved, right? Like has she reached out to other family members to try to get help? She says yes. If that is the case, you know, we also have to dissect, is there like a mental health issue

that she struggled with it? She continues putting herself in these situations. Why does nobody wanna be around her and her children? Okay, and then you're- Because it can't be everybody and then she's just like the sole victim. That's a good point. That is a good point. Um, she also, so one of the creators that I found on TikTok surrounding this story said that, and I don't know how true this is, so take it or leave

it. Um, so that this mother alleged that Mona Scott, the producer, executive producer of Love and Hip Hop, allegedly reached out to the mom to participate because of music and things like that. My thought was, okay, well, the easy way to be a part of this show would be to give up my kids so I could participate because otherwise you'd have to have child care to participate in the show. Specifically, Love and Hip Hop, I understand that they have long filming hours and they have very specific contracts

that they have to fulfill. It's not like Teen Mom where I could technically have filmed a scene with my kids present. I think that Love and Hip Hop is a little bit different. I don't know how I feel about that in and of itself. I don't know if she would walk up for it. Well then my question would be, if that's actually the case though, then why wouldn't she have a conversation with the production and say, hey, I have these five children that

I have no help with whatsoever. If you guys want me to participate, I'm going to have to have some type of allowance for child care. Right. Or whatever you get paid, you put an allotment towards child care. Child care. That makes sense to me. So I thought that was

interesting. And I'll be curious to know that she's like on some sort of like, I don't want to call it a press tour, but she's doing interviews about this. And I just think that's, it gives me the ick. And it makes me feel like I can't respect it as a mom. I mean, maybe there's more to the story that I need to understand. And I think a lot of people that listened to my take on this might think that I'm heartless, but I am having a very hard time with this. I would love to know what other people have to say and what their take is, because I just find it so interesting

that we can all see like the same stories and the same stuff going on, and everybody kind of has a little bit of a different thought process. There's way more to this situation though than what we know. Yeah. I know that to be situation though than what we know. I know that to be sure.

I hope more develops. More develops. Well, when it does, we'll keep you guys updated. Absolutely Alarmed was on parents.com and saw this news article come up, said one in five milk samples test positive for bird flu. And then on the bottom it says, here's why parents shouldn't worry. Traces of bird flu were recently found in commercial milk, but federal agencies and experts say it's not a cause

of alarm at this time. It says peak cold and flu, COVID-19 and RSV season is on its way out, a relief for parents, yet headlines about bird flu have multiplied in recent days. In late April, the Food and Drug Administration reported that pasteurized commercial milk in the US had traces of H5N1 bird flu. It announced that about one in five commercial milk samples contain bird flu traces. The US Department of Agriculture that it would begin testing ground beef for bird flu samples. This comes from a man in Texas in March tested positive for bird flu, also known as avian flu, which he had begun spreading across dairy cows.

That's concerning. My next question would be if it is in ground beef and it's cooked properly at the right temperatures and thoroughly cooked, I'm not talking about medium rare, medium well, I'm talking about thoroughly cooked, well done, would it cook the virus out? Would it cook the bacteria out? I don't know the answer to that. Okay, so I wanna continue reading this article

because I have a couple of thoughts on this. It says, still parents can feel safe continuing to serve their pasteurized milk to their families. In a quote, it says, the domestic pasteurized milk supply is safe to drink. Dr. Yancey says the process of pasteurizing kills off bird flu and other potential pathogens. The bird flu fragments detected in commercial milk were dead virus that had been killed in the process. In May, the FDA said that it also tested samples of retail powdered infant formula and powdered milk products marketed as toddler formula,

no viral fragments or virus were detected. Says that parents do not need to panic right now. At this time, there should not be a reason for alarm. I just feel like, remember back when the pandemic hit and we were told that like the virus could live on surfaces and then after further research, it was like it didn't live on surfaces and there was a lot of information out there that none of us really knew what to believe. Like if it was or if it wasn't and should we be using these sanitizing wipes and whatever. Is that the same situation with this? I don't know because I've heard of bird flu before.

I don't know, like I don't know the severity of it though. It also says that the avian flu, which is also bird flu in humans remains extremely rare and is almost always among those with direct contact with infected animals, generally farm workers. Well, I'm a farmer now, so what am I gonna do? So it says the chances of developing cases of bird flu are slim.

You need to be aware of symptoms. It says symptoms of bird flu could be sore throat, muscle aches, headache, difficulty breathing, nausea and vomiting and diarrhea. Okay, so I need to be on the lookout basically is what you're saying. So because now you know you are kill the farmer being a farm worker it says to it says there are steps in the kitchen that can help you reduce your risk of bird flu.

Always drink pasteurized milk she says raw milk is dangerous and should be avoided. Make sure that you are cooking your eggs to at least 160 degrees. Now is not the best time to eat your eggs over easy, no matter how yummy they are. You know, I never thought of that. I never thought of like the over easy being like an uncooked, like a raw situation, but I guess it is. And it says you need to wash your hands thoroughly after handling poultry or eggs and avoid contact with surfaces or objects that might be contaminated by bird droppings. Good to know. Good to know.

So I just felt like that was something that was, you know, very relevant for your current life. It is relevant because even though I don't have meat chickens, I do plan to have eggs in the near future. So that is actually really helpful. And especially with my kids like helping, we did, I took the kids down to the coop this morning, not this morning, this past weekend.

And Lux was like in the nitty gritty, like shoveling out old hay, putting in new stuff. And like, obviously they poop in the hay. So that is really important. And I would also be, so is duck considered poultry? I don't know. People are going to say we're stupid that we don't know this though. Ducks are also, they also lay eggs.

They do? Yeah. And they're, they're just so nonchalant. They do. Uh, evidently everyone has written to me on social media saying that they're, their eggs are specifically good for baking because they're higher in cholesterol. Like the good kind of cholesterol? Yeah.

Oh, wow. It's better for baking. So I need to know what families out here are cooking all their kids over easy eggs because absolutely not happening even with wine. I don't want that splatter in my kitchen. I kind of think it's like icky. I do like a drippy egg every once in a while. That's what I call it, a drippy egg. If I'm going to have toast, so I'll like, you know, do the toast situation with the egg yolk. I don't know that I've ever cooked an over easy egg in this house ever. Okay. It's always scrambled.

Okay, good to know, good to know. So no drippy eggs for your children. I don't do drippy eggs. I don't do over easy, just cause it's a lot of, it's a lot more work than scrambled. And I don't have the time. I have meaty babies, meaty toddlers. I don't have the time for it.

And I, my drippy eggs have to be, I can't have them like crispy and brown. I don't have the time for it. And I, my drippy eggs have to be, I can't have them like crispy and brown. I don't like the, when once the- See, I like the crispiness on the outside. I don't like that. So I have to like watch them like a hawk and I just don't have the time. So I rather just like whip them up,

but that's really good to know. Okay, also while we're on the topic of cooking eggs, when I was growing up, my mom always put, like would break the eggs into a bowl and like whisk them or whatever. Yeah. Whisk, whip, would do that and then pour it into the pan. When I make scrambled eggs, I don't do that.

I just empty them all out into the pan and I like scramble them along the way. Interesting. So how do you do it? I do it in a bowl. And then you pour all of that into the pan? Yeah. Okay.

Or heat it up in the microwave, whichever. Wait, what? Explain. Well. Is this a hack that I don't know about? No, it's just trailer park stuff. Okay, so tell me. You whip it up in a bowl and then if it's microwavable, you can put

it in the microwave for like two minutes or whatever and it makes them, you make scrambled eggs in the microwave. So you like do all the things and then you stick it in the microwave and it cooks them. And is it the same consistency as if you did it on the stove or different? It's different. I, well, so it depends. I add milk to my scrambled eggs and I know not everybody does that. It just gives them more, like it makes them more fluffy. I don't know. I can't, I don't really know. I think it makes them more fluffy in the microwave too, like even if you don't use milk. That's very interesting. I would also love to know who's listening to this that makes eggs in the microwave. Probably people are going gonna be like kale.

That's just a kale thing. Okay, I just got a KiwiCo crate and I'm super excited for it because it's the end of the year. My kids are antsy to get out of school, but they can continue the learning, but make it fun. I love KiwiCo when I was doing some closet cleanouts. I realized how many that I had stocked up on and I'm so excited to be able to do some of these projects with Jackson. Over the summer, KiwiCo encourages kids to get outside, explore, and stay off of their screens,

which I know is super important to me and probably a lot of you. I just feel like these crates are so great because you don't have to get any of these supplies to do a project. You can just focus on spending the time with your child. Everything comes in the little crate and it's just delivered to your door every single month. I know it's really hard to find creative ways to keep your children busy and challenged, but this is a great hack. Taking out all the legwork, It's convenient. It's personalized. You can either receive all of your summer adventure crates at once or weekly for six weeks. So this is your sign to hop on board. I am sold at convenience. So with KiwiCo having all of the supplies in the box, like Lindsey

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Okay. I have a lot to say. So I want if you have time, I'm going to summarize it. But if you have time, go watch it and try to follow the bouncing ball here because there's a lot of things and my common theme here my takeaway from this is that internet internet sleuths could be truly beneficial to society if they spent their time doing things like they did in this documentary okay so we've dealt with trolls online. They are relentless, ruthless,

don't fucking stop, won't fucking stop. If they put that same energy and effort into something fucking productive other than picking us apart, we would have live in a better world. And I say that because these internet sleuths and they literally called themselves sleuths. It's not like- So backup, was this documentary about collective sleuths, and they literally called themselves sleuths. It's not like I'm- So, backup, was this documentary about collective sleuths? Yes. Okay. But they featured two specific sleuths, and they referred to themselves as sleuths, so

I'm not insulting them. They're on these Facebook groups, and they're trying to solve, they're solving missing persons and identifying missing persons cases. So this man, this hiker is hiking the Appalachian trails and comes across all these hikers, but never gives his real name or his real information. So nobody truly knows- Like who he is. Right. Like who, where he comes from or anything. He has this oversized backpack, which is not typically normal for like the Appalachian trails or whatever they were doing. But nonetheless, he comes across like other hikers. He's a fairly normal person. But then they ultimately find his remains like basically a skeleton with skin over it now. Oh, wow. Yeah. And other hikers kind of recognize him from the trails, right?

And so it was really interesting because they're like, okay, we know who he is, but we don't actually know who he is. So the internet sleuths band together through Facebook groups to identify this man. And while there was some drama within the internet sleuths, like, oh, this person is doing more, this person is not doing enough, this person is crazy, whatever, whatever. It's like a bad group project, right? Yeah, exactly. Like someone's not holding their, someone's not doing their way in the project, right? And so there was, there's a little bit of like drama because they end up think, they

come up with this theory that this guy is potentially the dead guy who they think is not dead. And they end up harassing him to the point where he has to come forward because he is also, for a lack of better words, a character online. And so he, the number one rule, according to an internet sleuth that was featured on this documentary,

she says you never, ever, ever go real life. But these sleuths basically force him to go public so that he has to prove who he is and that he's not the dead guy. Long story short, they end up solving the fucking case, right? Like, they figure out who this fucking hiker is, and that is after millions and millions and millions of people have seen articles about this, joined the Facebook group,

a tech company wrote an article about it because I guess they found some, like, notebook with coding in it, and so they're like, well, if we write an article about it and put it on the internet, maybe somebody who worked in tech previously knew who this guy was. Right. Come to find out it's this guy who decided to up and leave his life behind because he was, I don't know, going through a midlife crisis. I don't know.

He ends up being like 41 years old. Girlfriends come forward where I guess he was very abusive to them. He came from a very abusive childhood, home, all of those things. And he left his passport and his wallet behind in his apartment. He paid six months rent. I don't know. We don't know if he actually went out with the intention of killing himself and starving himself to death as like, um, starving himself to death, not death, um, as sort of his suicide note. Like they called him mostly harmless, ended up being a book that he read. And it's like this full circle story.

And so they're basically saying that like mostly harmless. The book was essentially like his suicide note, but it's sad because in this specific scenario is sort of like the school shooter, right? Like we can't feel bad for him because he came from a broken home. Obviously it could have been prevented and that's the sad part. I think this too was like that where, you know, you were abusive to your girlfriends verbally,

mentally and physically, and that's not okay. I'm not okay with that. And I can't like, that's not okay. We're not gonna ignore that. But I do think you could have turned your life around. And so it's sad in that way where if he had the resources, he wouldn't have felt like he needed to leave his life behind to like start over.

It's the most insane story because there are so many themes between like this guy leaving his life behind and like not really being a good person. And then like being a great person on the Appalachian Trail, everyone that ran into him on the trail had good things to say about him. Nothing, nobody ever said anything bad. Nobody ever said that he was weird. Nobody ever said that he was unsafe. Like nobody said, like people actually ended up hiking with this man. So it's really, and then I wanted to ask you based on that, and

I know you haven't seen the documentary, but how do you feel when you meet someone and you become friendly with them for a significant period of time? You're not just hearing one story or two stories, right? Like you actually know them and you know them to be a completely different person than what you all of a sudden hear about their past. Like you cannot imagine a world where they were ever like that. How do you, what do you think about that?

Because I had one of my girlfriends was on the on Barely Famous a while back. And she talked about her dad, right? And I said to her, like, what you told me about your dad in his past is never somebody that I knew, never somebody I could picture him being, I believe you. But it's hard for me to hold his past against him when I did not know him during that time. So very interesting that you say that because there was somebody in my life at one point that had a very rocky past. But the experience that I had with this person for my entire life was not that person. And so I just remember saying to multiple people, when they would get angry with this person,

I would say, but that's not the person that I knew. So you can't be upset with me for not being upset with that person because they never demonstrated like any of those things to me. I'm judging this person based off of what I know, not what I've heard. Okay. So do you try to do that across the board or do you feel like it depends on the scenario? No, I feel like I do it across the board.

Because I feel now more than ever in my lifetime, I'm hearing more, you know how it's like, oh, well, that person did me dirty. So why would you want to be friends with them? That is not my experience. And so it's one thing where it's like, okay, well, that person did me dirty. So why would you want to be friends with them? That is not my experience. And so it's one thing where it's like, okay, be friendly with them, but maybe don't befriend them until you truly know. But also I can't for this hiker situation, my friend with her dad, it's so hard because it's not,

like I said, it's not like you just heard the story and you can judge them. Maybe keep it in mind. You know what this story is giving me like lots of vibes from Brian and Roberta Laundrie. Why do you say that? I don't know. Like I just like can't stop thinking about them.

And then remember how like the entire United States was looking for him at one point and the letter that was left behind and then the note that the mom wrote in and how it was all just kind of like a little bit sinister and weird. Yeah. Like it's giving me very much vibes like that.

And then back to the comment that you were talking about internet sleuths, remember back in the day when we had the Kitty Gang group chat and Brit Brit entered the chat and they made her reveal herself. Vaguely, I vaguely remember. And she had to like hold up the photo with the date on it and whatever.

Internet sleuths honestly freak me out. And I don't, you know, like, do you? Like talk about me, say whatever you wanna say, whatever. Quite honestly, don't give a fuck. But why can people on the internet go out and be that way and not have to reveal like their true identity, but they're talking about somebody who's just like authentically themselves? I will say I felt very conflicted when I was watching this because out of both of the sleuths

that they featured, one of them, and this is not me talking shit, I'm not trying to insult her. I believe her name was Christy and Christi, if you ever listened to this podcast, please know that I respect what you're doing. So she had a less than favorable life at the time when they filmed this. She was living in an extended hotel situation and she was taking care of her sister.

And so I do feel like certain aspects of her life were probably unhappy. I can't imagine you'd be like, completely fulfilled in an extended living hotel situation. But she still spent her internet time trying to yeah, of course, there's gonna be drama. There's drama with every job that you have or every hobby that you have, there's probably some level of drama, right? So like, in that aspect, I was kind of proud of her. Like you are sleuthing, but in a way that serves our community. And so I'm conflicted because I'm like, on the other hand, there are sleuths. And I will say that I was happy to know that I wasn't the only one that has trolls. Like these internet sleuths and trolls,

cause I think they're different, similar in that they spend their time kind of behind a hidden identity. I'm not the only one that has them. Like they're across the board for missing people, for coders and tech people and all over. So like that does make me feel better. But I didn't know that there was like a community of them

where they like all- Like band together? Yes, and they will like- I feel like that's all internet sleuths do. It's so interesting though. It's like a whole and they fight with each other too. It's so strange. There was drama between the two that they featured because one was saying like they

were one started their own group to solve this case and then it was the most insane. It was a very interesting documentary. It gave me a lot of perspective and I just I'm saying all this to say well also I want me bring this full circle the guy the hiker that was featured on the documentary ultimately nobody was looking for him so as he was not a great person before the Appalachian Trails and it was really interesting to me that all of these hits and articles and Facebook groups and all of these fucking people his his own family, these experts, nobody was looking for him. So he removed himself entirely from like the footprint

of the fucking internet, no social media, nothing. Like nobody could recognize this man and the tech article specifically got over a million hits. And nobody was looking for him. Do you ever wonder? Could you imagine a world where nobody is fucking looking for you? No, no, because even, even like the people that dislike me that I know in my life, I feel like they would still be looking for me.

I mean, even the internet sleuths who maybe some of them don't have like a life outside of sleuthing would have a loved one that looks for them. 100%. So, it's really interesting that you've removed yourself that far off the grid and nobody was looking for you. Stitch Fix is convenient. We've talked about this a hundred times over the years and I absolutely love it.

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Like somebody is going to know where you are. You have to stay in touch with somebody so that they know that you're okay. So unless you're cutting off all communications with everybody in your life, and I don't mean just like general, I mean, you have to cut them off completely to go completely off the grid. But to go completely off the grid, you have to think about the media today and just like filing missing persons reports and whatever.

I just feel like it would be an extremely hard task to actually do. Yeah, the lengths that you would, I mean I don't even know how someone would begin to do it. I mean I guess the people who kidnapped like Elizabeth Smart, we could try to get them on the podcast and ask how they did it. Themselves or for Elizabeth Smart? Yeah, for like Elizabeth Smart, like how she was never found for such a long period of

time and it was basically just like off the grid, this like off the grid living aspect. Like how do you successfully do that? Consider the fact that they didn't have social media of what the way that we do now. Yeah, like CCTV cameras. I don't know if it's called CCTV. I read that in a book. Like the cameras that are everywhere outside of businesses and stuff like I know, or the Skyler Nielsen case where over a year later, they found like the car crossing state lines or like on a camera randomly. I think they didn't always have that. So I think it would have been easier for us to go off the grid 15, 20 years ago than it would be today. Oh yeah, a hundred

percent. Think about the Idaho Ford case and just like how much technology was used to uncover a lot of that stuff. He's going to get acquitted by the way. No he's not. There's no possible fucking way. I think he's going to get acquitted. We will come back to this conversation if that takes place, but guilty 100%. Oh, I think he's, I think that he's guilty. I just think he's going to get acquitted.

I don't think that he's as smart as he thinks he is. And I don't think it's gonna go his way, but we will circle back to that. I have to tell you about this woman that was found living in a supermarket store sign with a computer coffee maker for an entire year. What the fuck, where? So it says, I don't know,

we've talked a lot about Michigan. So like this is not to offend any, what do you call them? Michiganers? I don't know what they're called, but it says police in Michigan say a woman was recently found living inside a grocery store sign where she seemingly had been staying for a year.

Contractors were working on the roof at a family fair supermarket in Midland on April 23rd when they discovered this woman in her living space. The police officer for the local department said that he dubbed her as a roof ninja. She essentially made it a home. She made herself a home inside the top portion of the triangle shaped sign, which was accessible through a small door. He said that it appeared that there had been some flooring that was laid down, a mini desk,

as well as clothing, a Keurig coffee maker, a printer, and a computer. It was unclear how the woman continually accessed the roof. She told officers that she had been living there for about a year. People would see her from time to time and then all of a sudden she would vanish. No one really knew where she went, but no one ever indicated or thought that she had been living there for about a year. People would see her from time to time, and then all of a sudden she would vanish. No one really knew where she went, but no one ever indicated or thought that she would be up on top of the roof. So one thing women are gonna do is be innovative.

One thing that women are gonna do is use the resources provided to them. And one thing that women are gonna do is make it fucking work. So I'm proud of her. Could you just imagine like being that innovative to the point that you were living inside of a supermarket sign and you had like a makeshift closet, you had like your coffee maker.

I mean, truly, a company would be blessed to have her innovative. Was she using their Wi Fi? Like what was she doing on that computer? I mean, truly a company would be blessed to have her innovating. And was she using, was she using their wifi? Like what was she doing on that computer? I don't know, but companies would be lucky to have her. So they need to hire her immediately. She needs to add this to her resume. Like truly made the best of her resources and what was available to her and truly thrived.

So I hope that from this, she gets a job and is able to secure an apartment. I also hope that so any businesses that are out here listening to us, I don't know who the fuck you are, but please contact her. Maybe this grocery store should hire her. 100% and on that note, foul play. Also, before I start foul play,

can we please watch Love as One on HBO Max? It's a three part docu series on Amy Carlson. And she's a cult. She was a cult leader. And we don't ever hear Oh, I've already watched it. Oh, perfect. I'll watch it and catch up. Okay. Yep. So foul play. Hi, ladies. longtime listener and fan of the show. I love your candid and honest dynamic. I never thought I'd be submitting a foul play of my own. but here we go. So my husband, so my hubby and I have been married

two years, 10 together. We decided together 10 we decided to try spicing things up in the bedroom and experimenting with different toys and such. One of them being a chastity cage for my husband. I don't even know what that is. He wore it a few times with no issue and liked the idea of me deciding when he was allowed out. Well, one day he decided it would be fun to wear it all day at work. By the time this man gets home, he is busting at the seams to get out of that thing. I put on cute lingerie and decided to tease him a little bit longer and

make him please me first. When it came time for his turn, I went to turn the key to the cage and the key breaks. Half of the keys in my hand and half is in the lock. We both panic instantly because this isn't a plastic cage he's in. Of course, it's fucking metal. All I could think about was having to go to the ER and explain this one. Well, my husband decides to grab his drum and start sawing at this. Harks fly everywhere his dick getting burned.

And I'm standing in there, I'm standing there in my lingerie, still having a panic attack. We sat there for 30 minutes, sawing at this thing. All I could think, all I could do was stand there helpless. Just as he was about to make the final cut on the cage, he looked at the key lock and realized, although the key was broken inside,

you could still yank it out. Yep, my husband quite literally got second degree burns on his balls and dick for nothing. We had a good laugh about it after but maybe we'll stick to more vanilla sex for now. Okay. I looked up what a chassis cage was because I didn't know what it was. And I don't understand like why someone would use something like this. I want I want one. Whatever you're saying. It looks like a slinky.

Wait, I wanna get one for Elijah. We gotta spice it up. But what do you do with it? So. And why is it locked? So chastity belt for women, don't quote me on this, cause I'm no expert.

I think it locks up your vagina so you can't have sex, like so you remain a virgin, but for a man, I don't, how do you like put it? Does it prevent a boner or can you, do you have room to get a boner? So Kristen says that it locks up the dick and the balls so they can't jerk off or get a big boner.

Why does she know this? I'm not really sure why she knows this, probably not gonna tell us why she knows this. Um, but you can't help it. It just looks like a slinky. But you cannot help it if you get a boner. So I'm concerned if you get a boner and then this chastity cage is preventing that. Wouldn't that hurt really bad?

I mean, I would imagine because you're pushing against metal. I mean, there are some silicone looking ones on here. I might order one. Oh, do you think they have those on Amazon? Oh, and then some of them kind of look like a mesh like metal thing. That would be a better solution for a boner. Nobody needs to Google my history.

Okay, so Chas- We're immediately going to jail if someone sees what we've looked up. Chasity Cage is not on Amazon. Oh, nope, it is. It absolutely is. Wow, what an interesting contraption. Yeah, it's... This is something... Do you think that... Do you know who Girthmaster is? I wonder if this would fit on him. No, I... Why the hell would I know who Girthmaster is? Who is that person? Are you ready for what I'm about

to send you? No, I don't know if I am but I'll prepare Google it just hold your horse okay I don't want to Google it oh my god you're okay it is porn so I want to warn you oh god lovely all right buckle up tell me when it's coming it's coming oh caution this profile may include potentially sensitive content Lovely. All right, buckle up. Tell me when it's coming. It's coming. Oh, caution, this profile may include potentially sensitive content, except, no, none of those contraptions would fit. Wait.

Oh, and look, okay, I think they come in sizes. Well, then maybe one would fit for him. Should I send him one? No, you should not send him one? No, you should not send him one. That would be all over the internet. Kale sends Chastity Cage to girth master. There's one with hearts on it. Like this is just this conversation took a very weird fucking turn. And on that note, thank you guys for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple podcast app, follow and read on Spotify or listen

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