Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Sleepover Energy & Strong Opinions

Episode Date: April 16, 2026

Disclaimer: this episode was recorded before recent events have transpired. I am so grateful for your understanding and support Love, LindsieCC: 473 Kail and Lindsie are back for a conversation that starts off light and quickly turns into one of those episodes. What begins as a sleepover-style catch-up takes a sharp turn into a bigger discussion about parenting, responsibility, the messages kids are getting from reality TV, and what happens when adults stop acting like adults.As the conversation unfolds, they get honest about the realities of teen pregnancy, the difference between support and enabling, and why some topics deserve a lot more attention than they’re getting. It’s passionate, unfiltered, and one of those episodes where the conversation keeps getting bigger the longer it goes on. Please listen with an open mind and an open heart! Get your Fatherless Behavior Tour Tickets herePlease vote for us in the lifestyle category here!For full videos head to patreon.com/kaillowry To send in your Foul Plays email us at [e-mail] you for checking out our sponsors!This episode is brought to you by booking.com. Head over to Booking.com and start your listing today.K12: See why more than 3 million families have chosen K12 find a K12 Powered School near you today! Go to K12.com/COFFEECONVOS to learn more.Chime: Join the millions who are already banking fee free today. Head to Chime.com/COFFEE. Honey Love: Save 20% Off Honeylove by going to honeylove.com/Coffee #honeylovepodLittle Spoon: Try Little Spoon Formula with their 2 can trial pack (Buy 1, Get 1 free - that’s $30 for 2 cans),which is great if you’re easing into the transition at littlespoon.com/TRYFORMULASee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome to Coffee Convos podcast. We're having a sleepover. Sleep over. We woke up like this, actually, and we didn't need any glam or hair done because this is how we wake up in the morning. Playing with Nito's, we're having a real-life sleepover. Actually, fuck that. Kail was supposed to have a sleepover with me last night, and she left and never came back. there was a lot going on last night. So unfortunately, I never made it back to the content house. But because Lindsay's leaving tomorrow, there is a high probability that I will sleep over here tonight because she's leaving tomorrow. And we've never had an adult sleepover. And I think it's were overdue. So remember how I told you that I sometimes lied to get me out of certain situations? You rode the lie that you were sleeping over with us so hard last night that you left your vehicle here. Because it wasn't a lie. And I even told Ike at one point that I was coming back to, the content house. That's your true story. It feels like a lie. It does feel like a lie. And honestly, if we hadn't had the conversation that we had about you lying about going on the airplane or catching your flight or missing your flight, it wouldn't have seemed like a lie. But because

we had that conversation, then it looked like a lie. Okay. So remember when we were in Dallas and I told you about that show that was on TLC called Unexpected? Yeah. With those kids named Bella and Hunter. He was like 12 or 13 years old. And that's really, really horrendous. And I think she was like 15 or whatever. Okay, so I was doom scrolling on TikTok last night, and I found this TikTok. I'm going to play the audio. So she thought I was joking when I told her that after you have the baby and they say you got to wait six weeks, blah, blah.

And I'm like, you might make it a week. And then this morning, she was like, you weren't lying, Mom. Like, I'm ready to have sex now. I miss it. And, yeah. So they do have protection, but I can't be in there to be like, make sure it's on, you know. So be smart and make sure it's on. If I would have told my mother at 15 years old, I miss having sex.

I'm just ready to do it again. That woman would have beat the living tar out of me for real. And rightfully so. And for her mom to say, I don't think you'll make it a week. Has anybody talked to her about the health risks of not waiting six weeks like the doctors tell you to do? Whether you have a vaginal birth or a C-section, it doesn't matter. That's a major abdominal surgery. It doesn't seem like anybody is telling her these things.

Because as soon as they went home, she let him shower with her. I'm actually pissed off. Like, I'm pissed. And I'm going to tell you why, and I am going to make it about me. When I think about the fact that I was having sex at 14 years old, and I look at my oldest son who's 16, he's a literal baby. At 16 years old, my oldest son is a baby to me. I did not have my first orgasm until I was 21 years old with two children. A 15-year-old has no fucking business having sex, let alone your mother co-signing and allowing this to happen and making it a joke.

No, guess what? If you got pregnant at 15 years old and you're active, guess what? That father can come be a parent in front of my face and then he can go back home across the street or wherever the fuck he lives. The fact that they are allowing this to continue is disgusting to me and they should be ashamed of themselves. To my knowledge, the boy, his name's Hunter, to my knowledge, he is living in the home with them. Okay, great. Well, guess what? with the baby. And what really makes me upset about this entire story is, you know, you had 16 and pregnant, you were on it. Then you had teen mom. A lot of people controversy around the show saying it was glorifying teen pregnancy because at that point, you guys were making a decent amount of money. Yeah, but when you really break it down, we're exploiting our lives. I'm not debating that. Right, right, right, of course. But then you have a show like TLC.

unexpected that it's almost like these clips are intended for rage bait. No, I'm, I'm infuriated by that. The fact that a mother to her child is saying, I don't even think you're going to make it a week, your daughter doesn't even know why she likes sex. Like, she doesn't know why, because I can guarantee you she's probably not even having a fucking orgasm at 15 years old. I'm disgusted. That is so insane to me, and they all think it's funny.

They're just laughing. And honestly, I think TLC should be held responsible for this because this would be glorifying and glamorizing teen pregnancy. That was my whole point. At least in teen mom, we weren't really talking about, oh, we love sex so much. That's why we got pregnant. Ha, ha, ha, ha. That's what they're saying. That was my whole point that I was getting at, that the people who were saying that teen mom was controversial and whatever, then what is this show.

That is giving teen moms a bad name. Exactly. That is exactly what this is doing. But watch this clip. Oh, there's more. There's more. Typically, when I come to sit already afterwards, I do push them off on me. Because you've been to mom since me, see.

It's okay. You know what you're doing. Oh, my God. He made me jump. You're fine? Do you want me to take him and change him? Take them. I can't.

Oh, for where. So the mom is, the mom is letting them. shower together, fuck in the home, and she's doing the responsibilities, evidently, of taking care of this baby. Alessandra just caught me up to speed on some of these things. Okay, so Hunter's dad,

he was the 12-year-old, or 12 or 13 years old. Hunter's mom claims that Hunter's dad was not involved, but Hunter's dad is now finding out all of these things. Okay, so now my next question is, who, what woman is in that video with Hunter? That's his mom. Bella's mom. Bella's mom.

So Bella's mom is essentially enabling them. And then potentially to really get pregnant again. And rumor has it. And we're going to say allegedly that, well, I don't think this part's alleged, that they would go on family vacation. So remember when we were in Dallas and I told you that they were like sleeping in the same bed, like with the grandma or whatever in the room. It was like either the grandma or the mom. And they were going on these vacations sleeping together. Now they have a baby. And I understand

that they have a child together. But that does not negate the fact that they are 15 and 13 years old and they still need to be parented. And TLC is exploiting all of this stuff. The mom evidently thinks that it's okay. They're showering together. She's saying she hopes that they're using protection and they're fucking in that home while she's changing diapers. It's so wild to me when I think about, because I do try to put myself in this position, right? Like I genuinely feel like I had some level of the same parenting. It was just kind of a free for all and I did what I wanted. when I think about my own children because I'm heavily involved with all of their lives, Elliot is 16, not 15 like Bella, not 13 like Hunter.

He's 16. And the last thing on his mind is any type of romantic relationship at this point. Like he's so focused on his schoolwork and where he's going to go to college and like what he's going to do with his life. It is so hard for me now that I'm out of it and I'm an adult and raising kids of my own to understand why a child would be so sex-centered, not wanting to go a week without like I'm, there's a, there's a mental illness here. Well, allegedly, the intention was for the mom and Bella, for Bella to get pregnant

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this is something much, much, it's, I don't know that it's child of you, like. Neglect? I don't know. I don't think it's, I don't know. There's not a name for it. It's literally like exploitation. I would say, yeah, it's almost like grooming in a way for the mother to be basically like incentivizing her daughter to do these things.

And like, but there's also, there's got to be something in my opinion. There is something wrong with the mother and the daughter for them to do this. if that is true. Like I just, I'm having a hard time just wrapping my head around the entire thing. So I actually ran across another video because I was like deep diving this last night. And this is from unexpected insider. And it says what Hunter's mom failed to tell TLC. It says, and this is like a screenshot so you can see it.

And it looks like it might be on like some type of forum. for TLC Unexpected. That looks like Instagram. But it says, Hunter has come a long way since the show. We have been in court since he filmed for the show. They were alienating him

from his father to try to manipulate him into being on the show by holding his son over his head. Hunter lived with us for years up until the summer until he got Bella pregnant. Me and his mother had a great relationship.

She was in my brother's wedding and we took trips together. In the show, she acts like she doesn't know me. Her other son and my son were best friends. had sleepovers, had him at my house all the time. Not long before the pregnancy, his mother also had to live with us along with her mother. We were so supportive of her and co-parented great.

We even took family vacations together. Through the whole pregnancy, both moms bullied the hell out of me and posted this crap on Facebook about me. His mother went as far as reaching out to my son's dad and trying to start issues between us. They would always invite, they would always invite my husband to events, but make it clear that I was not allowed. I have never done anything to either of these women. They just decided that they did not want me around. I have been his stepmother for nine years, and Hunter has always had a room in our home. Our door is always open to him. We had Hunter on our phone plan, and when all of this went down, they shut off his phone and got him a new one and blocked us on everything. So you're telling me, your arm hairs are standing up.

Because this is not okay. This is not. This is not. okay, this is not normal. And I, like, I already know that there are going to be certain people that listen to me talking about this and say I'm a hypocrite, but I won't argue until I'm blue in the face that teen mom and 16 and pregnant is nothing like this. There's been nothing like this. I'm not saying that no girls on 16 and pregnant maybe intentionally got pregnant to be on 16 and pregnant, but I can tell you for my season alone, we were already pregnant when 16 and pregnant season one aired. So like there was no way for us to have known that there was a show casting. It was just the luck of the draw that we either were scouted or saw something and applied

for it. But again, like when 16 in pregnancy season one aired, it was, I think six girls, I was already pregnant. And it was like a shot in the dark out of pure desperation to try to get myself to figure out what my next, it was like to buy me time to figure out what my next move was. Right. Like it wasn't actually about like fame and stuff like this. This sounds like. They were looking for a reason to, I am. Well, this woman is saying, she said that they had to fight in court just to see him talking about Hunter without cameras being shoved in our face. We have an eight-year-old daughter that we would rather not glorify teen pregnancy with. My husband never missed a child support payment, even when the whole family lived with us.

We have always tried her best to do the right by Hunter. Stacey would call every time Hunter would misbehave and want his dad to come. come and get him and straighten him out. Casey would do anything for his son, and the whole cookout scene was absolutely absurd because my husband let them know the night before that he did not feel comfortable filming. Nobody replied to the text or calls until the call was made. They knew my husband wasn't going to go along with getting in the car and filming this part, and they cut out of a lot of the phone conversation. He offered to take Hunter batting alone, and afterwards Bella could come to the cookout, and his mother said no. Casey did not want

Hunter on the show. Him and his father, him and his father have an amazing relationship since we have gotten custody and Hunter loves being here. I have always had a good relationship with him and he has always been respectful to me. I'm going to be honest, based on what I know, and again, this is my opinion. I feel like Hunter is a victim. He is being groomed. He's being used. He's being exploited. He is being manipulated. He will look back on this in 10 years. and he will see what hindsight always shows. Hindsight is always 2020, and he will recognize, and he will remember certain things that were said to him and done to him and told to him,

and he will come to. How can you make these types of decisions at 13 years old? You can't. And I think that's my biggest problem. I didn't at 14. I lost my virginity when I was 14 years old, freshly 14. I did not know what sex was until I was, physically having it. You've told me that multiple times. My story has never changed. So at the point that

you're essentially incentivizing your daughter to go get pregnant and then she had to then do some sort something to get him to want to have sex. If it wasn't him initially, I mean, I think I know enough, I have a 12 year old, you have a 13 year old. And I think I know enough 12 year olds that my kids play with. I don't think any of them. I don't think any of them are thinking about that thing. They're just then probably starting to go through the things of puberty, right? Like the early phases of puberty. I know that kids like all reach it at a different age. I'm not necessarily dealing with it at my house.

I'm not dealing with it at my house. Doesn't mean that somebody else isn't dealing with it. But with that being said, can you imagine you have a 12 year old, if he was 12 when he got her pregnant, he's 13 now. They're now on a TV show. essentially the mom has incentivized and glorified this pregnancy. She's helping them take care of the child, which I'm not saying that a mother should not help in a situation like that, but also give them the responsibility when the baby goes to the bathroom to change the diaper. Because if you're allowing them to shower together and sleep together, it's only going to happen again because there is no consequence.

No, no, if you're allowing them to shower and have sex, like you're allowing it, you're promoting it, you're condoning it, you're doing all of the things, right? Why can't they change a diaper? That's my point. They're grown enough to have sex and sleep in the same bed and shower together, but they're not grown enough to change a fucking diaper. For sure. And I don't know. He was groomed into, because no 12-year-old is making a conscious,

educated decision, informed decision to have unprotected sex with an older person. What was crazy was I ran across another video of another little couple that's on that show. and they were talking about how they really didn't know or understand how babies were made, but she was 34 weeks pregnant. And I just feel like if a network, but I have, and I actually talked about this on the Southern Tea not too long ago, that like I am just not a fan of the promotion of shows on TLC and what they choose to promote. And I'm taking that like from Honey Boo Boo, from the Duggers, from dance moms. Like all of those shows, how is TLC not canceled? This is upsetting. Are these kids in school?

Are they in school? Apparently Hunter had missed like 55 days of school and there was like a truancy issue or something like that, I believe. And it's like his entire. life is essentially being ruined with no proper guidance with glorifying teen pregnancy by having cameras in his face all the time. And it would not shock me if she wasn't wanting Bella to get pregnant again because that could secure more TikTok fame, more headlines, and potentially other seasons of the show. Because Hunter is a minor. Do we know how old they are right now? I think 13 and 15. In real time, they're 13 and 15. In real time?

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Get seen. Get booked on booking. If a judge doesn't look at this whole picture, because I, Here's the thing. It's not what you know. It's what you can prove. Unfortunately, that's just what it is. So you can have all these feelings. I have chills because there are so many things in life that I'm going through right now that I know for a fact, but I can't prove it. And so like, this is the same type of situation. However, for this to occur and the theories floating around and the story of the stepmom, if a judge doesn't look at the situation and see something deeply wrong and give custody to the dad, I will petition the court myself. I will literally start a fucking, uh, petition or whatever it is to help him because and and not because of the mom or Bella, right? Because that's a whole set. Like you can't fix mental illness by yourself. That is a whatever they're doing, whatever they're in cahoots doing, that is a mental fucking illness. Okay. I want to protect Hunter's future. He looks like he, you know, maybe he played sports. I don't know. I think he was a baseball player. I think I saw that. I think he was playing baseball.

But like to protect his future, I'll help. Like I will fucking step in and do whatever. I'll petition the court, whatever, because if he has any chance of. providing for that child in the future, he needs his education. I just want to sit down with him and have a conversation to see, like, where it all, like from start to finish, where it all went wrong and how this started. I would like to know from Hunter's perspective, and I would never air it. I would never put it on, I would never publicly put it anywhere. But like I would like to sit down in a private room, a quiet room, and just know, like,

how did you get here? What was said to you to have sex? Like, what was the conversation? Was she manipulating him right off the bat? Did he initiate, you know, kissing or anything like that? Like, what was, what is beings? I want to understand what he thinks. Does he even like Bella?

I mean, I think that at 13 and 15, it probably was a situation of like crushes, right? And then things got too far and she got pregnant. They're from Arkansas. I'm just so concerned about the parenting here. So are they, based on all the information that you've told me or that you've told all of us, what is Hunter's mom? Like, where does she stand in all of this? Is she on board?

She's with Bella's mom. I was going to say this earlier and then I got caught off track, off guard, whatever. I have always said that kids are going to do what kids are going to do, right? So true. But having those conversations about protected sex and making it a safe space to talk about, great. this is not that. This is, you are promoting it, you're condoning it, you're allowing it,

you're fostering an environment for it. You're encouraging it. Like, that was not, like, I can say that my mom didn't really keep tabs on what I was doing. And yes, she did allow me to sleep at my boyfriend's house. And that's a problem. Like, looking back, I'm like, that's obviously a problem. I would never allow my kids to do that. That was neglectful parenting,

irresponsible parenting, all of those things. But my mom also wasn't saying, yeah, you can go have sex with your boyfriend. friend. My mom wasn't saying those things. She wasn't encouraging it. My mom was actually probably a little bit more like, you're going to be on, like, she was more like, what the fuck, like about being on TV. Do you know what I'm saying? But this, these parents are literally encouraging it. It's insane. And I cannot believe when I ran across the one video where they were in an interview for, for the show. And the mom and Bella were so openly and candidly talking about her being ready to have sex after having that baby pretty much immediately. How is the mom not getting in trouble by some type of agency?

Because that is... Child abuse. There's no other... Like, you can't really put it in another category. It has to be some version of child abuse. Because, I mean, just the standard rules, and I know that people don't all follow them, whatever I did. six weeks after giving birth no sexual intercourse. Oh, and in another video, I saw where Bella said that she was not on any type of contraception

that they were using condoms. What do the parents do for a living? I guess unexpected TLC. I would love to know, and obviously not our business, what are they making on that show? I would guess that it's probably not a whole lot, but you have to think about any, they're probably not getting any fucking brand deals, but they're getting money from, I would guess, I'm just guessing. They're all over TikTok. Yeah, so they're probably making money there, right? Make sure you're also paying Wesley for exploiting him and kind of setting him up for.

Who is Wesley? The little boy, the baby. Oh, the baby. His name's Wesley? That's what I Google. That's what I said on Google. I hope y'all are all the TikTok money that you're getting, all the TLC money. Make sure you're saving some for Wesley because Wesley doesn't deserve this.

And I'm speaking right to the camera. I'm speaking directly to Bella and her mom. And I'm speaking to Hunter's mom. Wesley doesn't deserve this. So I hope that you're doing whatever it takes for that little boy and all of that money is not going into your own fucking pockets because that is fucked. And I'm so disturbed by this. I don't know that I'm going to be able to sleep tonight.

And I'm not being funny and I'm not being dramatic. Like this is like I think about my own son. I think about our boys. Yes. But the fact that like the parents are in like cahoots and like just thinking about like their futures like what are they saying about how they're going to provide for their son? Like what are what are you telling your it's just going to be okay? You're just going to figure it out.

Guess what? I was going to say teen mom. TLC money won't last forever. TikTok money doesn't last forever. You have a very short window to basically capitalize off of whatever 15 minutes of fame that you have. This money is because people will be sick of your shit very quickly, and you will not always get the views that you're getting right now. So I encourage you to stay in school. I encourage you to stay in school. Okay. So let's just talk about in any situation,

not just Bella and Hunter. Okay. In any situation where teenagers are getting pregnant, right? We'll say before you have a license because you clearly didn't have, Hunter and Bella didn't have a license when they got pregnant. Logistically, unless, they drop out of school. Any teenager, I'm speaking about myself too, because I did not have a license when I got pregnant. I didn't even have a stable home when I got pregnant. So let's think about logistics. You're like fuck a license. Fuck a license. I didn't even have a stable home, right? So who's watching the baby if you can't go to school because say you give birth in the middle of the school year? Who's watching the baby? Okay, you drop out of school and you're going to stay home and then hopefully

at some point you're going to go back to school? Probably not. Okay. You can maybe do online school. Great, cool. What about when it's time to get a job? Well, you didn't get a license. You probably don't have a car. You've been staying home. You're losing your mind. Who's paying for daycare when you get a job? Because now, well, fast forward. You're the baby's two years old, three years old. You need to go get a job. Because otherwise, your parents are picking up the slack for baby food and formula and all the things. And, you know, eventually when they're a toddler. They're not even thinking about this in that situation. How are you providing for this child? Number one, Arkansas has a huge teen pregnancy rate. And so to some degree, not that it's normal, but more normal in Arkansas.

Now they have this TV show. So in their minds, and they are probably being encouraged by their mothers, that this is their job and this is how they're providing. But what it's going to do, because it's glorifying it, is they're going to end up with a second child, and then that child's going to be in the situation. And the money will run out and their views will go down. Look at all the girls.

Look at all, and this is no shade. I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I'm not. Look at all the seasons of unexpected. There are very few girls. Actually, from unexpected, I know one girl. And she's on TikTok, and I know that she's probably making a little bit of money on TikTok.

Great, good for you. I'm glad. Because from what I see, you seem to be a good mom with a good head on your shoulders. You figured it out. You got your job. You did the things, right? That's not always the case. I don't know one single other person from unexpected that has sustained any sort of level of money and,

and we'll call it fame or popularity on TikTok. Same for 16 and pregnant. I can name a couple girls, but they have not crossed my timeline in all the years I've been on TikTok. So TikTok and social media money is not sustainable. It's also not reliable, right? Because even for myself, I could make a thousand. $1,000 a month, or I can make $10,000 a month on social media. It's not sustainable, and then you have to take taxes out. And it sounds like with their education level, and I don't mean to, like,

profile them, but it does seem like maybe they are not educated people. And I'm not saying I'm the most educated person, but I also, one of the first things I thought when I got pregnant was like, how the fuck am I going to finish school? Well, the thought process as a mother, and I feel like as a nurture, as a woman to children, if your daughter, and now you have a daughter, so you can put yourself in that situation many years down the road, if your daughter came to you and she was 14 years old and said, hey mom, I got pregnant and her boyfriend was 12 years old at that time. Where did I fuck up?

No. Is it normal in your mind with a daughter? Is it normal for you to say, okay, and I already know that you went on 16 and pregnant. That was a last ditch effort, your mother's situation. I get it. But that's not your situation. And a normal sense in your family life, if your daughter came to you and said that,

would you say right now let's sign up for TLC unexpected and exploit all of that? No. No. No. That's been a question I've been asked in the past regarding, what did you allow your kids to do reality TV? Right. That already I'm on the fence about because it would depend what type of show. It would depend on the production. It would depend on all the things, right? But pregnancy specifically, no. Matter of fact, we're going into fucking hiding. I wholeheartedly agree with that. Not because I'm ashamed of her, but because I want to protect her. Correct. Because clearly I didn't do my job and she got pregnant, right? So I didn't do my job already there.

So now I need to go into protection mode and I need to protect her because protect her, protect her, protect your grandchild at that point. But that's coming from somebody who's been through it, right? Like, I mean, I don't know. Like that's, I don't. All right, you guys, let's talk about chime because everybody could use. this in their life. Chime is changing the way people bank and we're talking about fee-free and smarter banking all built for you. This isn't like old school banks that charge you overdraft and monthly fees. This is built for you, not the 1%. Chime isn't just another banking app. They

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like this these types of conversations to me are so important and I understand we are speaking off of what we have seen again would love to have a conversation with these parents to get the insight now I'm probably not going to fucking agree but would love to get the insight where their head was when these decisions were made also I can speak from a place of being on TV having a child on TV I was not divorced, and I still had to have my husband sign a release form for my minor child to be on TV. So how is Hunter on there? Don't quote me, but from what I remember, from what I remember, as long as one parent signed, they preferred both parents to sign. Okay.

But as long as one parent signed, everything was fine. And that went for the moms, like being pregnant teens and then also the dads, but then also the babies. So when we were having the babies, don't quote me, but I'm 99% certain as long as, because I had custody. I think if it was like 50-50 custody, it might be different. But I know, like, as long as I had custody, as long as one parent signed. Now, if they got the other parent to sign, that was even better. But there were periods of time where Lux wasn't allowed to film, I think, because. I was trying to respect Chris's wishes, but it wasn't like a legal situation.

And then same for Elliott. I was trying to respect Joe's wishes at that time. It wasn't a legal issue. So I think that depending probably on the state, depending on the production company, depending on the nature of the project, I don't think that you have to have both parents sign. Now, I don't think in this case, well, I don't know because Chris, even though it's a 90-10 split, it's a joint custody. So I think in theory. he could go sign for Lux to do something without my permission, even though it's a 90-10

split. That's insane, because I can just tell you from our production standpoint and from my experience, Jackson would have never been allowed to ever be filmed. That, I think, is more of like production or networks'

policies versus legal, if I'm not mistaken. Well, it seems to me like TLC might not have any policies. It sounds like they don't have morals. So, yeah, it sounds like they don't have morals. It sounds like there's no, it's like no hold bar. It's like anything goes as long as TLC profits.

And I mean, they are because to what you said, there's probably not a ton of money being made, but maybe significantly more than what they would have been making, doing whatever else that they were doing. And the network's profiting. Look at us. We're sitting here talking to however many people who are listening to us, essentially promoting the show.

I think the normal response for, and I say normal so loosely, but the normal response of a normal nurturing mother would be like, I am crying and I am mentally shutting down because how did we get here and how are we going to get out of this? That is the normal response. How am I go to take a leave of absence as the mom to make sure my daughter stays in school and continues her education to get a job to be able to eventually provide for my child for her child. But in the meantime, the mom is going to have to pay for daycare or do what, like, Hunter, I hope you're okay.

Blink twice if you need help. He's going to be stay blinking. Honestly, Hunter's dad and stepmom are probably just, I can tell you right now, this is the other thing that really baffles me about the situation, the 55 days of truancy, right? if my child missed two days in any given school week, the school might call if I don't send in a notice like on the online thing where, you know, give the notice for your child's absence. So how do you get to the point of 55 days? Now we're talking the school system. And I would argue to say that that's neglect there. Why was the child not put into some type of state custody? until the truancy could be investigated at 55 days that a 12-year-old or 13-year-olds not showing up to school. Yeah, I think the problem that we're up again, as if we're fighting the battle for Hunter's parents,

is that because Arkansas has such a high teen pregnancy rate, I think that a lot of things there are probably more normalized than they should be. So it would probably be hard to combat some of them. I would just be curious to see what comes of this. and I'm rooting for what's his name Casey? Is that Hunter's dad? I just hope that it's unfortunate because men develop so much later than women. It might be a long fucking time before Hunter really realized and looks back because I can't see them being together.

Would this be considered a childhood adverse experience? I mean, right? Childhood trauma. I mean, it is. He's going to grow up and realize that he was groomed because I don't even care. Say all of this is wrong and it was Hunter's idea to have sex. Okay. What about everything after that? That wasn't, he's 12 years old. You can't make those types of decisions, even to have sex with her.

Based on the information we have, I think Alessandra also said that Arkansas is not allowed to do sex education and they only do abstinence-based sex conversation. Other than HIV. So where are the state reps on that? Because I'm just wondering. who creates the curriculum for that because clearly the abstinence-based conversations surrounding sex are not working and not being able to-based off of the numbers of teen pregnancy. Yeah, for Arkansas alone to have a higher team pregnancy rate. What did you say percentage was? 60 to 90% higher than the national average in Arkansas. And you've got reps there that are co-signing abstinence-based sex ed courses with the caveat

of HIV education. Oh, they can talk about HIV. Oh, but if you're abstinent, why is that part of the abstinent conversation? That is somewhat fear-based. But it's not working. Well, we've established that. 60 to 90% is so it's not like it's 1% higher, right?

It's not like it's below 5% higher than the national average. Like we're talking 60 to 90% and nobody's doing anything about this. Nobody thinks that this is a problem. Nobody's changing anything. You got fucking Arkansas just fucking thawting and bopping around and not doing shit. We're all dogging through the state of Arkansas. But you're allowing Arkansas to just perpetuate teen pregnancy younger, 12 years old. We're worried about the wrong things.

I need to know who the state reps are because I want to talk to the state reps. I want to talk to Casey and the stepmom. I'm sorry, I didn't catch your name. I want to talk to Hunter. I want to talk to Hunter's dad. I want to talk to Hunter's stepmom. I then want to talk to Bella's mom. I don't even get me started on her fucking dad because that's going to piss me the fuck off.

And then I want to talk to the state reps in Arkansas. What the fuck is wrong with all of you? All of you. I mean, I'm going to be a part of that conversation because I feel like I would go into that meeting with more of a level head. Kale is going to go into that meeting in a state of complete psychosis with a chart on a trifold poster board. on the 60 to 90% higher teen pregnancy rate than the national average. Because I just want to put something out there too. And this is not meant to be a dig at anyone.

But like my situation of me finishing high school and then me going to college and getting a bachelor's degree and then my son being in high honor roll and national honor society is not common. That is not the typical outcome for a teen parent. That is not the typical outcome for a teen parent whatsoever ever. Look at all of the girls on 16 and pregnant. Look at all of the families on unexpected. Look at all of the families that were on teen mom.

There are not many that have been able to continue their education and continue, like, and you guys think this is okay? How do we petition a state representative? Yeah, how do we, because they need to answer to this. the state reps of Arkansas need to answer to this. Please answer to Coffee Convo's podcast. Because this is fucked up. I don't know how, like, and then, and then whatever, like, DFS, children and youth, whatever, like, child protective services are in Arkansas, they need to answer to it, too.

Because they're allowing these parents. No, genuinely. Like, I'm not being funny. We're going to go and spend an entire month in Arkansas and clean it up. No, because I can't wrap my head around how this is being allowed. And I don't think that Arkansas is the only place. It's just the only example that we have right now is Arkansas. And so, like, we're just going to allow it to happen and continue and talk about it.

And we're going to, everybody's sending these TikToks of Bella and her family to their group chat, but nobody's doing anything about it. So, like, we're kind of all, like, complicit and we're all kind of looking the other way. It's kind of like when there's something going on and it's like you think the next person is going to call 911. Like, at what point are we stepping in? Because we're all talking shit about it. We're all affected, you know, mentally and we're concerned. It feels making us deranged. I'm in psychosis.

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were a pregnant teen, you could bring your child to the school and they had a daycare that was provided by the public education system. Yep, we have that too. And then go back and pick them up. So I'm wondering if Arkansas is a state that offers that. So Alessandra was saying that she looked it up in Arkansas and they don't have the child care in the high schools with the students, but they offer a program called Hope where the kids, the teenagers can bring their kids to school and go to school.

and also learn parenting skills where we grew up. There were several schools that had daycares within the schools. It's a double-edged sword because on one hand, you don't want to promote it, but on the flip side of it, you don't want a teenager to drop out of school because they got pregnant. So it's one of those things where it's like it really is a double-edged sword. But it sounds like to me that in Arkansas, based on the diploma rates and the teen pregnancy rates, that not everybody is using hope to go to school and to get their diploma. It's not in every school.

So it's not in every school. And so you're not really combat, you're not really combating anything. 50% of pregnant teen mothers in the state of Arkansas will receive their diploma by the age of 22 years old. 50% of pregnant mothers. I don't. That means, okay, so based on the statistics that I Googled, if four of 10 are getting pregnant, only two of them are getting their diploma. Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana, Kentucky, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Tennessee, Alabama, and Texas. So, like, very southern states, all southern states, which already don't have great education curriculum in high school.

It's clearly not working. The abstinence-based conversations are not working. Well, and you and I had that conversation not too terribly long ago about this. sex education within the school. And then I had a guest on the Southern T and she was a professor who teaches a class in college. And she was talking about how we should be having those conversations not only at home, but also in school and not having our children opt out of those classes. Because the children who are opting out are children who are not getting the education that they need. And they might, those children might not be getting. everything that they need from that education-based, you know, sex ed class at school. But if you

are pairing that with the conversations at home. No, I agree with you. But also, like, out of the entire conversation surrounding sex and you're saying HIV, it's abstinence and then conversations about HIV. What about the rest of the STDs? So, yes, abstinence, but why? Not just HIV, because we don't know very many people just, I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but it's like, okay, clemedia, gonorrhea, the clap. What is that? Is that one of the ones? Clemedia.

Okay. Is that the same as crabs? No. Crabs is like, they're literal bugs. They're pubic lace. So like those are things, like you're telling me that in Arkansas we're only talking about abstinence and HIV, but no other STDs. Okay.

So there's a bigger systemic problem here in these mostly southern and I guess Midwest a little bit. Yeah, Midwest. So southern and Midwest. States is propaganda to talk about abstinence, talk about HIV, and basically put the stigma, attach the stigma of HIV and AIDS to the gay community. And so it's abstinence and HIV, and you're probably only going to get HIV and AIDS if you're gay. And so it's a bigger, in my opinion, is a bigger systemic problem. And it just perpetuates homophobia. It perpetuates

teen pregnancy, STDs and STIs. This is a, a bigger problem. And I feel like it's intentional. It feels intentional to me, but because nothing's changing. It's very common in Southern raising, though, and I can speak from experience that, and specifically with girls, very, very common, that there is a level of fear based around sex. In what way? we're not going to have a conversation about how to safely have sex. We're going to have a conversation about how you're just not going to do it. And there's going to be no further conversation from that.

And look, all the states that were listed have the highest teen. And they're not looking at the statistics and what they're doing. They're not looking at that. But why don't we care, I guess, is the bigger conversation. Unfortunately, it's going to get a little political here. What I'm about to say is about to be political. This feels very, this feels very Republican to me, and it unfortunately is God and abstinence and sinning and no abortions. And I do personally do not believe that abortion should be a form of birth control.

That is my own personal feeling. What I was getting at was that sometimes Republicans frame it as people are getting abortions as birth control. And I would say that a majority of people who get abortions, one, do not. want to get them. It is the circumstances. It is whatever it is that it is going on in their lives, right? And I'm very passionate about that. And I don't want to go off on too much of a tangent. But this feels very, let's keep the Republicans with these beliefs and let's keep doing this. And they're not caring about the results because if you really look at it, these are red states. I guess why are we keeping statistics when we're not using them essentially for anything for the

greater good. The statistics are going against every fucking thing that you're saying as a Republican surrounding women's rights and teen pregnancy and the education system and what we know about STDs, SDIs, HIV, all of that. And it's really upset. It's like keep the curriculum to the point where you're not smart enough to propel yourself in better directions, right? Like in these states. And then it's we're not educating around sex. We're not educating around pregnancy and it's, oh, well, once you get pregnant, there's not really a whole lot of resources, but also you can't get an abortion, but also you're stuck here, and then you get to have more kids and you raise the kids in that. And so then it just continues, right? But I can't get my head

wrapped around and please help me. Children, just in general, are sneaky. Children just in general, when you tell them not to do something, they're going to do it anyway. They're going to bust their ass are the street wide open to do it. So, Why are we having abstinence-based sex education curriculum? Because it's doing the opposite of what they think that it's going to do. That's what I'm saying. They're doing it on purpose. They're doing it on purposefully.

Yes. I think that it is to keep people done because they follow. You're easier to manipulate when you're not educated. So that's where it starts, right? So like you're not really educating these people because the curriculum is trashed. The entire public education system is dismantled, right? and then it's we're not going to have proper conversations around health and women's rights and abortion and sex and all of these things.

And so it keeps them dumb to continue to manipulate them. When you are educated, when you're cultured, when you're educated, when you're educated, you probably want to travel. You want to get out. You want to learn more. You want to do all the things. And then you become, it happened to me. Once I came out of Northeast Pennsylvania and traveled and educated myself and I learned

about implicit bias and I learned about, you know, teen pregnancy, things like that. like they those states that we're talking about, they don't want that. They don't want you to have a better education to get the fuck up out of those states and to learn more and do better and do more because that would go against what all of those reps and the government wants for those states and what they want for the economy and what they want for the United States. And unfortunately, with me saying all of this, I think that it is possible that a lot of people, I will lose a lot of support from the people that are listening to this because I think a lot of people are going to not realize that they are.

are affected and impacted by this. And it affects them and it impacts them directly. And they're going to argue against it. And we are going to get hate for this episode probably because of me saying all of these things. And I do apologize. It's not meant to be offensive. I just need you guys to open your fucking eyes.

And I say that with the most love and respect possible. If you live in one of these states and you support us, this is really just me trying to tell you like, get the fuck up out of where you live so that you can see with your eyes wide open. I mean, I just feel like there needs to be a bigger conversation with the government. regarding this. Like, why, why can't there be a bigger conversation? Not saying that the conversation is going to change anything. But I would like it to. But I just want answers. Like, I think there can be a way to have Republican and Democrat without affecting, without it being about public education

and keeping people stupid and keeping people not in the know and then teen pregnant. Like, these are children. Like, we're affecting children's lives that are, they should be innocent. Do you know what I'm saying? The reason why I'm so upset, though, too, is like, this runs so deep for me. And it's like the government is saying, okay, it's a problem that people are not educated anymore. But we're keeping them in oppressed situations and then complaining about welfare. You're complaining about low income. You're complaining about...

I was going to get on the topic of welfare because you have kids out here having children with no jobs. Because you're allowing these statistics and pregnancies to continue the way that they... Like, they were oppressed and basically... tricked into poverty, to stay in poverty. I'm sick. I did not realize that me bringing up TLC, Unexpected, would be an entire episode. I thought it was going to be like a passing conversation.

Now I have to go to college for political science. No, I'm pissed. This is actually what our slumber party conversations would entail. I really hope that instead of my, the takeaway from this episode, if you made it this far, is to please research what I'm saying before you unfollow me, before you unfollow Lindsay. Lindsay doesn't deserve this because of all of my very emotionally charged opinions here. Please do the research on what I'm saying before you feel offended by what I'm saying.

Do the research on what I'm saying because you're likely, if you're offended by this, you're probably oppressed in some way and you're probably being tricked into whatever situation you're stuck in. So please do the research before you unfollow me. And on that note, we've got to go and eat lunch at our sleep. Wait, are we done? Yeah, there's no time for foul play. Yeah.

I'm sorry. Kiel's whole rant has become this week's episode's foul play. I'm embarrassed. I'm sorry. I'm embarrassed as she's playing with a needo. Like, everybody's so pressed and I'll melt there and I'm playing with a fucking needo. I am concerned.

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