Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Starting Off The Year JUST Right

Episode Date: January 5, 2023

CC262: And here we thought we'd be better at keeping our new year goals.. oh well. Kail talks about already failing at her No Spend Challenge. and unfortunately Lindsie can relate. Kail somehow just found out about the Charlotte Tilbury brand and literally CANNOT. Lindsie asks Kail for Mom advice. Lindsie gives an update on the Idaho murders.  Thank you to our sponsors!Care/of: Visit TakeCareOf.com and enter code COFFEE50 for 50% off your first orderChime: Get started at chime.com/convosHello Fresh: Visit HelloFresh.com/convos21 and use code convos21 for 21 free meals plus free shippingOura Ring: Visit OuraRing.com/COFFEECONVOS to get $15 off your purchaseProgressive: Visit progressive.com to learn moreStamps.com: Visit Stamps.com and use promo code COFFEE for a special offer that includes a 4-week trial, free postage, and a digital scale!

I hate gift giving and receiving receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you This is coffee convos with kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels kale That does not interest me whatsoever I feel very attacked by you a spirited discussion about motherhood friendship family and life in the public eye I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's kale and Lindsay Welcome coffee convos. Happy new year Wait, nobody knows about the fact that we are now on camera for coffee convos podcast We are live on camera coming at you from Atlanta, Georgia and Dover, Delaware

Happy new year everyone Happy new year. I thought it was gonna be a better start, but it's okay. What's wrong. What happened? I mean, nothing really happened. It was going like well until it wasn't. You know what I mean, right? Yeah Yeah, yeah, have you ever like had a day where you woke up and you're like this day It's gonna be really good and then all of a sudden 30 minutes later like literally everything went to shit Usually that's every day for me. So okay Well, that's good because that has been the first like whatever did four days of January for me So I love that. So I started this budgeting

Um, no, it's called the no spend challenge and I got it from my iPad and We're on day four and I've already failed. So Wait like explain this challenge. Okay. I also failed it. I'm not doing it So Kristen was working on my accounting and when I had to go like she made me a spreadsheet of all my Cash shop and Venmo transactions and so seeing it in a because on my bank statement It doesn't say like who it was to or what it was for So I had to go in and say who it was to who it was

What it was for and then if it was business or personal So that's all great and fine. But when I actually saw all the transactions laid out like that I wanted to throw up So then I get on tiktok and I see this girl who always budgets like she has this no spend budget And so I was like, oh my god, I need that so I got it and I'm gonna show you what it is This is the no spend calendar for January and then it says the goal is to eliminate unnecessary and impulsive spending So at the bottom you can do what's allowed and what's not allowed And then you go in per day and you write down what you've spent and then you highlight it in whatever color

Red or green. So right now today's Wednesday. It's the fourth and I haven't put in my budgeting yet, but the first second and third were all fails. Oh, wow I would say I'm proud of you. I'm not proud of you, but I'm also not proud of myself because I've just done a really bad job at budgeting lately It's it's pretty bad. I think that I could eliminate. Okay, so one time when I was married Will and I did no eating out January and that wasn't my cat. That was like fast food No takeout no takeout. Yeah, no takeout For January and we did it. We successfully did it and it was it was wonderful As a non married person and trying to do things just like solo

I feel like it's so much easier to just like grab something to go even if it is literally just going to like the sushi place And just grabbing to go sushi So much easier. Yeah, I have a big problem with that But I think where I could cut back is my eating out I'm my mind's in the gutter my eating out your takeout spending my takeout spending or like restaurant spending like I'm always going to like Grab a salad or grab sushi or just because it's just so much easier than fucking up my kitchen at home Yeah, well, and you're one person and even when Jackson's there you're only two people like I can't tell you how many times I didn't cook for me Lux and Creed. I

Mean the good thing is I did get I did get my hello fresh kit yesterday my meal kit So that'll be for I'm gonna start that for next week Excuse me and then on the calendar at home. I we started writing down the days that we don't have hello fresh We'll put what we're gonna cook so that we already have the ingredients and then like we can do, you know Some kind of other like Grocery delivery situation so that we have it at home and we're not taking time go to the grocery store So yesterday was Steak and potatoes, which was my request, which is okay

Well, let me tell you that I feel like this week has just turned into a prep week for my new year to start next week So I'm still considering this 2022 this week because I've already fucked it up So I went to the grocery store yesterday and you guys remember me talking about the taco bowls that I would say will and I used To make but like really will used to make and put them in our fridge Mm-hmm So I had to text him and I was like yo like what were the ingredients for the taco bowls So that I can go and get all the stuff to make it so I went and got all the stuff to make it yesterday And I'm just gonna make it on the weekend because at this point. I'm like, okay

We're already halfway through the week. No point in trying to mess up my kitchen now But what I do think I'm gonna do is I am so thankful that I get to have someone come and assist me cleaning on occasional Fridays and She's coming on Friday and I think I'm gonna fuck my kitchen up on Thursday So then when she comes then it'll be all clean again. Yes, that's the smart way to do it Especially if you're already halfway like do not fuck up your kitchen until you know that you're gonna have it like a nice deep clean Right right afterwards. Oh absolutely wait, okay Are you the type of person and I need to know about everybody because this really says a lot about your personality in a kitchen

so couple questions are you the type that you clean as you go or you Leave everything like in disarray and you clean at the end. Also, are you the type that if you get splatters on your stove? Do you clean it up every time or do you leave it and then clean it like once a week? Okay, so which one are you I? Hate that when people make a mess and clean it at the end because it gives me anxiety So if someone else is in my kitchen, I will go in and clean while they're cooking if it's me I'm doing it while I'm cooking. However, that being said, I I'm not good about cleaning my stove

So I it gets cleaned at the end of the week. Okay, so back when again, I was married because I really haven't cooked since then Wow, I'm just a deadbeat. Um, I Would tell will you make such a mess in this kitchen and like it literally brings me so much anxiety And I would go in the kitchen while he was cooking stuff and just be like walking behind him cleaning every Like square inch of the kitchen and he's like you do realize that like a sign of a good cook is a messy kitchen And I'm like, but it's a messy kitchen and you're not a good cook Like if I have to have chicken thighs one more time from the instapot swear to God swear. Yeah, like I'm done Um, no, like I will clean as I go, but that was my chore growing up

So Julie would always cook Savannah would be always making a mess like even if Savannah wanted to bake cakes like on a weekend She got in this like one habit for a long period of time where she got the like right when the KitchenAid mixer came out Mm-hmm. She wanted that thing and I think she was like 10 or 12 and And she was like I have to have that to be able to make my cakes Well, anybody who has one of those things knows that it's really hard to clean and guess who got the cleaning job me You so I would go behind and clean up after them and it was always my chore if I didn't want to cook Then I had to clean so I learned that habit and now I just do as an adult if I literally Scramble eggs or fry an egg and it pops out

Underneath my grates. I have a gas stove if it pops out like I've got to clean it right away I'll think about that pop that that breeze pop. I will be thinking about it all day I the stove that I got for my new house is So hard to clean and I love the look of it But it is not Functional in the way of like I it's so hard to clean. It's not even funny But it's funny that you brought up kitchen aid mixer because I need to tell you about my minor inconvenience with them So I'm shopping on my

Right before Christmas and I see this kitchen aid mixer now Backstory on that is that Elijah cooks a cake. He bakes a cake every Sunday. That's his thing He he bakes a cake. It might be vanilla. It might be red velvet. It might be lemon. Who knows carrot cake, whatever Every Sunday. He's also just like that's amazing. Yeah. No, I love it. My kids love it They they freaking love it and all my friends know that he's baking a cake on Sunday So I was like, okay, the kitchen aid mixer would be good for him And I think he would like it, but I'm gonna get the one that I like look wise aesthetically Aesthetically, thank you

So I see this one that matches the kitchen and the bowl is like a black matte studded bowl the mixing bowl And then I also got a clear one that has like measuring on it for him. I'm fucking pumped. It's limited edition Like I'm so fucking excited. They don't sell the bowl separately, which I didn't know It's almost like the post Malone Crocs. Literally. So Alexa actually text me and she said that she had it and I was like and she loves it So I was like perfect like this is a good purchase and it's like a Christmas gift for him But I like the way it looks we get it in the mail. I'm fucking pumped. We open it and it's the wrong one It's not the limited edition series, which was like a hundred and twenty five dollars more than the original

But like we had to have the limited edition because only like five people have it Literally needed that bowl like I got it for the bowl and I get on with customer service I'm oh, I'm on the phone over an hour and they tell me they're so sorry that they mixed it up But unfortunately the bowl doesn't come separately So I would have to pack everything back up and you know the styrofoam that they keep it together Oh my god, they tape it and everything So it's just like a pit in the ash and not to mention the fact that it's fucking heavy. Mm-hmm. Excuse me So I'm like just um, can you just send me the bowl and they were like no

So I was like, okay She's like we can refund you or you can send the whole entire situation back and we'll send you a new one But it'll take three to four weeks Because by time they get the KitchenAid mixer back and then by time they send me a new one It'll be like three to four weeks and I was like, well, this is a Christmas gift It literally came on the 23rd and Christmas. I said Christmas gift for purposes of Kristen doing my expense So long story short, I guess it was a Christmas gift for Elijah because we know you're not using it Correct. I also don't celebrate Christmas and I needed an excuse to buy it. So I was like Christmas gift

I Ended up taking the refund because the refund for you know, the difference between the original and what I got was like $125 but it was just gonna be too much hassle to Tape that fucking thing back together in the styrofoam put it in the box mail it out Make sure they got it if they didn't you know what I mean? Just like a shit list to say You didn't end up with a limited edition bowl. We don't feel sorry for you right now Thanks a lot Crate and Barrel you You you need to just suffer with the KitchenAid mixer that you got

And be happy that you can have a KitchenAid mixer Also, that's another grievance that I need to air with you if you are displaying your Mixers and like shit all over your counters and stuff. I'm a minimalist So like do I always have shit on my island? Absolutely, because I pretend like I'm gonna organize it and then I put them in like specialized piles on my island Mm-hmm, and then it takes a long time for me to actually put it away Like right now what I'm looking at on my island as we're talking is I have a section for two Christmas gifts for people I mean not Christmas gifts birthday gifts

a pile of croutons and some garlic spread for a charcuterie Don't really know why I have a ball pump on My island don't really know about that Oh and some makeup like a whole set of makeup and that will probably take it until at least Friday until The cleaner comes and helps assist me so that my brain can get right to get it to the right area. I Healthier life starts with a deeper understanding of your body from the inside out And if you guys followed me on live or you've been tracking my Instagram stories

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Just like coochie spread Cheese board a spread board. I don't fucking know ask Alexa or Kristen. They'll probably know I they blew my mind yesterday I saw this tiktok of an influencer and she's going on and on about her favorite products of 2020 Like or 2022 of makeup. First of all, who the fuck is Charlotte Tilbury? Second, the Haley Bieber has a skincare line and I literally had no idea I'm like, what the fuck is this and they're like, yeah, Kale It's like Charlotte Tilbury's been a staple and I said since when I've never heard Anybody use her product like I is that a woman is that a brand like what I've never heard of this

So that was new and then Charlotte Tilbury. I use the flawless filter since when since like years No, since it probably came out. No, also what's on my lips right now is Charlotte Tilbury. It's pillow talk Yeah, you just need to like get with the times. I don't know what's going on with you I'm not coming for Charlotte Tilbury. I just have never heard of her or any of these products Nobody, why do I feel like this like collection of makeup era where like Kylie when Kylie Jenner came out with her lip kits, right? Like, mm-hmm. Everyone was obsessed with collecting makeup like all the YouTube people got big with their makeup and all having their own lines Jacqueline Hill James Charles like all these people and people would collect makeup even like the eyeshadow palettes

They knew that they would never use these fucking wild ass colors But they wanted to collect the makeup, right? And so I feel like that's kind of when I started to learn about Contour and bronzing and stuff, but I have never heard in my life of Charlotte Tilbury This is a palette that I probably will never use but I felt like I needed it for some reason This is a brush that I definitely will use Tart brushes so good Probably didn't really need like this tiny

What even is this concealer? Is that Charlotte Tilbury? I have like six of these but you know, it's tart have like six of these But needed it Um, yeah, I'll walk you guys through my makeup collection because I feel like I'm kind of a collector like that And I don't use a lot of it. But so why I use five things literally like five things I have never heard of Charlotte Tilbury. I've never heard of that. Like I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it I'll fix I'll post pics to just prove that like I have the stuff because you're gonna call me a liar but I really need to ask you some mom advice and Tell me if you've ever had this situation before because I have been waiting to talk to you for two days about it. Okay, so

Jackson's very much learning lessons right now And I'm thinking it has to do with the fact that he's just been home and out of school and probably just like bored and getting into stuff okay, so I went up to his room and He was scuffling around and I was like what the hell is actually happening And he was just like have you ever caught your kids like doing what they're supposed to be doing? But like they never actually do that and you're like, okay I know you're trying to hide something from me because you're doing what you're supposed to be doing and you've never done that before I need a bigger. I need a better. Okay, like an example like Jackson knows when it's time for bed

Like I have always stressed to him like go pee brush your teeth turn on your sound machine Turn on your fan. Mm-hmm like all these things. He never does those things without direction. Oh, oh, oh, oh I know exactly. Yes. So they all the sudden they want to go do something that they have always had to be reminded to do But then you didn't randomly didn't have to remind them. So you knew they were up to something. Yeah, that's exactly what happened So yeah, I noticed like these little remnants of blue painter's tape like all over the place And it looks like a cat shooter or something because it's just like all wadded up Like someone didn't know how to tape something. So I'm like, okay, obviously that's weird So at this point he was doing what he should have been doing, but he never does it and also I found painter's tape

So he's obviously broke something so I had gotten him that little astronaut thing that I showed you and The head was off of it when I went to go and turn on his like little constellation in his room And I was like, okay, so this is obviously thing that was broken and he was like trying to avoid me seeing it So this is why it's really good to like have a spouse because When you don't know how to put shit together You think that everything's broken when it's really not broken

I was trying to put the head on backwards of this thing and it was magnetic if I would have just turned it the other way So then Jackson got blessed out and I was like, you don't take care of your things You don't have respect for stuff like everything in this room is coming out Basically, you're going to live in here with one pillow one sheet Nothing like all your toys get the ball out like ball out basketball goal out like everything out You really keep pushing it. Oh, yeah now the fans broke So you also broke the fan and then as I go to the ceiling fan No, like he has a box fan because he likes it for the noise me too. So that was broken also and then

As I went to go and fix the box fan and plug it into the wall I realized that he had a little collection of where he had chewed up gumballs and stuck it on the back of his Nightstand. I'm like first of all, I don't advocate to be sticking it under tables at public places But like if we were gonna do that that would be the location that we would do that It like a pizza joint like McDonald's, you know, like somewhere like that like your fucking room That just sounds that like screams something that Isaac would have done at his age at Jackson's age I never found gum But that is definitely something that I could have pictured Isaac doing at Jackson's age

I literally was like, are you out of your fucking mind? That's all I said Lux also has tried to tape and Elmer's glue things back together and so it's He got a wrestler for Christmas, I guess at his dad's or something I'm not sure the head came off and he tried to glue it with Elmer's glue and you know, it's just like a sticky Yeah, we messed yeah. Oh my god the gum I hope you took a picture with a Polaroid camera and save that for later on so you can be like remember your gum garden No

No, I didn't I immediately started peeling it off because I was like the fuck is this and when I realized that it was like actually Turingum, I literally just made eye contact with him and I said, are you fucking kidding? That's like what else can you do in that moment like when you like it's just like one of the Um, it's like an unbelievable moment that like yes happens that you kind of like you could have never like thought up That would happen, right and you're kind of just like what's up in that moment of what the fuck am I actually witnessing right now? And I he just got in the bed like he never said anything else and he just got in the bed And I was like, oh, yeah, and by the way, you're paying for that astronaut It was it's about 50 bucks and you're gonna pay for it and he was like well, I do have gift cards from Amazon for Christmas

That's he's literally three of my kids in one because that's some shit Lincoln would be like Oh, I'll just I'm taking out of my bank account like oh, no no no no he goes I said first of all, that's not what your gift cards were supposed to be used for your gift cards We're supposed to be used for something else and now it's gonna have to be used for this So then he starts thinking he's like well, I've got $150 one and I've got $125 one So mom can I still keep the $25 one if I give you the 51 to replace my astronaut? And I'm like go to bed like literally go did you turn it around and it was fine? Yeah, and it was just like fixed so you tried to fix it thinking that it was broken

But to both of your surprise it was not broken and also on top of that I was like how did the astronaut even get the head off like why is the head just like stringing around on a cord and He's like well I was like kind of doing flips on my bed and then accidentally my foot hit my nightstand and then it just went bam And I was like first of all accidentally shit Like don't tell me about your fucking accidents because it's always a fucking accident everything's a fucking accident Everything's a fucking mistake. I can I'm you need to link for our listeners. You have to link the astronaut thing Oh, I will it is so cute. I absolutely love it so much, but I also have to update you

Before on the dick pic that you got on what the dick pic that you got. Oh, we should put that in the telegram Okay, okay, because I have gotten this same dick pic. Okay. Let me back up I sent Keele a screenshot of this dick pic that I regularly get in my DMs all the time and It will be some of like the most foul like I'm pretty sure he's beating it Like while he's typing this because the stuff that said is almost like an in-the-moment thing Like somebody would like whisper to you or something. Yeah, I mean. Yes, like let me lick you like a Ice cream or like I don't know, you know It's like some weird shit and he sends the same dick pic and I'm like first of all if I had a ween that looked like that

It's ugly. I wouldn't be sending it to people because it's a chode and It's a chub No, a chode, you know, like no, but you didn't we talked about a chub Yeah, a chub and everybody said that like you're crazy for not knowing what it is But this ween is like short and fat and I'm just I don't know why he keeps sending the same one He's been sending the same one literally for years I'm gonna send it in a telegram group right now and be like this is what Lindsay sends me and See what they say and I'll get some of their responses and

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He was taken into custody by local police and FBI at 1 30 a.m. In eastern Pennsylvania on a warrant charging him with four counts of murder and burglary for the deaths of four Idaho students This was a couple of days ago After his arrest While he was I guess like in the process like he was arrested but like in the process of this process He had made some type of statement regarding, I don't know the exact quote, but it was essentially like was he the only suspect that they had arrested and

So I think at that point so many people were speculating and I had theories one of them was When they did the press conference, they addressed nothing about the only thing that he said After being arrested was regarding another suspect And so I thought that they would address that during the press conference that they held But they didn't address anything about that in the press conference. So my thoughts were they're either not going to address it because if there is a potential other suspect that They might not want to tip that person off

because there could be another sealed indictment and If there is not He could just be trying to mislead law enforcement To ask that question now that he's been arrested to make them question if there was someone else That they should be looking for you know what I mean? I know I did hear that there are a lot of rumors right now And I don't want to like add fuel to them there. There are a lot. There's a lot of speculation and stuff going on but the FBI Surveillance team from Pennsylvania field office said that they had been following him for four days leading up to his arrest

So this was a very well-fought-out Plan and as I had said or I believe I said on the other episode when we were talking about the timeline of events I think that the general public gets really upset when they don't release a ton of information But at the same time had they released some of the information that they had they might not have ever caught him So I'm glad that it all did turn out the way that it did I was looking at pictures of his mugshot and he are like the jail photo or whatever and He was in a velcro smock and I was so confused But then I saw a tick-tock that said that often times when

They're issued velcro smocks. It is said when an inmate has threatened to unalive themselves It could be something that he said That caused them concern or it could just be caution on law enforcement and FBI's part To just make sure that nothing happens with this being such a high profile case at this point and so heavily followed With what was really interesting and I had no idea about this Until the press conference, but with this case being a pending case in court the Supreme Court restricts certain information from being shared and that kind of pissed me off because at the point of the fact that he has been arrested and he is in custody and

So many people wanting answers at that point and they're so confident that they have the guy I was like, why should he have any rights for those warrants to be protected at this point? But I'm sure there's way more to it than just that. That's just me basically being a person that's followed this So carefully and just want to know every single detail But they said once he was assert once he was served the arrest warrants Once the extradition takes place because he was arrested in Pennsylvania he would have to be extradited back to Idaho and Once that takes place the arrest affidavit would be able to be released with the true facts of what's going on

And that's what law enforcement had encouraged people to solely rely on those arrest affidavits and Not in anything that law enforcement was releasing but not, you know, what other outlets were releasing It was interesting as well that he is a 28 year old PhD student studying criminal justice at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington Which was only a 15 minute drive from the rental home of the Idaho 4. I Am so interested to see What the actual connection was with him? It's said that he was

That they have found some connection with one of the victims and I don't want to say who if you guys have been following You know who it is, but I don't want to prematurely say anything without knowing, you know anything He it was said that he was not just a criminal But he actually studied their craft, which was very interesting to me because I was like, you know for someone That makes me think that he is just an unwell Person and it gives me very serial killer vibes His mugshot very much to me looked like Ted Bundy And it was said that behind bars. He had very little to no emotion. That's so sad

I did see the photo you're talking about And I don't want to add fuel to rumors like I said, but I did hear What could allegedly be him calling into a podcast? Okay, wait, I'm gonna get to that. Oh, okay. Okay, because that that is I look I keep listening to that over and over again, and I'm just I have a couple theories around that But at his arrest it was said that a white Hyundai Elantra was removed from the residence where he was arrested and The authorities narrowed their focus to co-burger after tracing his ownership of a white Hyundai Elantra That was purchased seven months before the crime

interesting That he changed his license plate five days after the crime from Washington to Pennsylvania plates, which would also change the plate number and he was likely doing this in case the plate was called on camera Because he was gonna continue driving that car and I know a lot of people have questioned like why continue Driving that vehicle I have a couple theories on that as well like if hiding in plain sight he he wants to be right under your nose Yes, and I think that I don't know much about him and we haven't seen enough to really speculate anything outside of like true speculation or what

Sources that have been in contact with him or know him would say But I do think that there is very much a part of that and then also you've got to consider This happened during the holidays are leading up to the holidays So I believe it was November the 13th that the crime took place so if Let's just say he happened to change vehicles which might not we don't know financially like what he would have access to to be able to do that But wouldn't that be an alert to people that would know him if he changed his vehicle and like why he did it when he had

Just purchased this vehicle seven months ago Like it would have been more of a red flag if he changed it right away after just getting it. Yeah, because I Mean if you were to have committed crime and then you quickly changed your vehicle I and then they came to me for questioning. I would have I mean I wouldn't snitch on you But if I was going to yeah, I would be like, yeah, that's weird because she did just get a new car And then they'd go investigate that so it would be more of like a red flag for sure. I totally agree It has been said that co-workers DNA has also been matched to genetic material recovered at the Idaho Forest home

Where he was arrested was at his parents home and a gated community in Pennsylvania, I was scared because I was like, oh my gosh, are they gonna close down like roads and all kinds of shit like close to where Kristen lives or When I saw the names of these places in Pennsylvania, I'm not familiar with that area But these were two areas that you have Referenced many times before so I was like wow that real it doesn't hit home for me But I feel like it hits home because I know someone from those areas. Mm-hmm. Oh hobby was born and raised in Allentown And I lived in Allentown for

Six seven eight years. I don't know and then Scranton I still have family there because it's literally 30 minutes from my hometown So it was definitely weird because both places were on there Um and like obviously I feel like I have a connection to Scranton because of the office. So like oh Yeah, and like wallin paul pack they filmed the booze cruise on there. Yeah, I was like wait a minute like I Need to make sure that Dunder Mifflin is okay All right, so with hello fresh you guys know we've talked about it a hundred times we've talked about it for years We've had it on our instagrams and we just we absolutely love hello fresh It's such good farm fresh

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So if you guys have never tried hello fresh you absolutely need to try it You can go to hello fresh comm slash combos 21 and use code combos 21 for 21 free meals plus free shipping What was really crazy and also very serial killer vibes to me was it has been said that he continued his studies after the murders and was even present during a class discussion about the quadruple murder and that was according to a classmate. Well, and see that that brings me back to Murderers inserting themselves into the investigation inserting themselves into you know that type of thing and that kind of why would you why would you say anything why wouldn't you just sit in that class and shut the fuck up. Yeah, just literally shut the fuck up. But then it just doesn't I want to get into the mind of a murderer because I need to be honest. Then it just doesn't I want to get into the mind of a murderer because I need to know if they think that they're smart enough to get away with it.

Why are you inserting yourself do you want to get caught or do you really think you can get away with it whether you insert yourself or not like which one is it. I don't know but I would I would venture out to say that if he was a regular participant, there's definitely psychological aspects going on here too right and if he thinks that he's smarter than everyone which I believe is likely the case. Maybe if he felt like he was going to continue on about his life as he normally would like participating in class discussion driving the same vehicle, like doing all those things that he would just be under pretty much everybody's nose, but at the same time getting away with it, right, and like not alerting anybody. Also, it was reported that he had a really weird food fetish and it was said that it went beyond being vegan, he required his aunt on coal to buy new pots and pans because he refused to eat from anything that had ever had meat cooked in it, and it was said to have been an OCD type of tendency. I feel like you oftentimes hear things about serial killers and stuff about like having weird fetishes and stuff. So I just wonder like when this food fetish started and if he's always had something like this if this developed over time that's just like a very weird thing like I wouldn't go to someone's house and be like hey, before I come there I need you to buy a new set of pot and pans because if you've ever cooked meat in there like I can't eat out of it like that's extreme. And this was his aunt and uncle, not his parents.

His brothers, I mean his dad's sister, I believe. And she came out and said this or how did you know that? Yeah, she came out, both of the dad's sisters have spoken. This is the dad's sister and then the other woman who spoke, she was a sister through marriage. So I guess like maybe she was married to, it was like his sister-in-law. Another thing that was interesting was that there was so much question surrounding if he would waive his extradition. And his public defender in Monroe County, Pennsylvania said that he was eager to be exonerated of these charges and looks forward to resolving these matters as promptly as possible. Said he intended to waive his extradition hearing and that would expedite his transport into Idaho. And so I thought that that was really interesting that he immediately, his public defender, issued a statement to the public.

I'm kind of a little bit shocked by that, honestly. If I was in this situation, I wouldn't be having my attorney release any type of statement because one, you don't have to. So like why? And then Coburger's attorney also confirmed that Coburger's dad went to Idaho and drove back with him to Pennsylvania in mid-December. They were pulled over two different times. I saw the first body cam video. It was only a couple of seconds and it wasn't really much of anything. But the second stop, the body cam footage is not going to be released and that is said to be a part of an active criminal investigation. So I don't know what was said on that. It must be something because the first one was released. So the dad drove back from Idaho to Pennsylvania with him. Yes.

Okay. So I have several questions and I'm asking because I didn't keep up with all of this. What the fuck was he doing in Idaho? Yes, I understand that he was going to college. What did you say, 20 minutes away? They said like anywhere, like 10, some reports say 10 minutes, some reports say 15. Okay, but what the fuck was he doing in Idaho? Don't know. I also would love to know that. And then why did the dad go there? I hope that this is not like a Brian Laundrie's parents type of situation because I really believe that they helped Brian Laundrie. And I really hope that Coburger's dad didn't know or help him.

So also the fact that he was at home with a car that was all over national news and like the fact that his parents like knew he drove that car, knew that he was in Idaho, his parents knew and should have come forward. So they have, they have to know more information than what's being said. It has to be something. Also, I wanted to say that one of the main reasons, it was said by law enforcement that one of the main reasons that the defendant chose to wave his extradition back to Idaho was the need to know what was in the proper calls after David. And I do believe that because he hasn't been served with those warrants, he doesn't know what's in them because they're also sealed to him just like to everybody else.

Three separate search warrants were issued and evidence thus far is under seal. It was said in a video that I saw last night that Pennsylvania courts say that the search warrants will actually remain sealed for 60 days. So the initial press conferences where we heard that once he was served with a warrants, they would become basically public record. Now it's being said by Pennsylvania courts that they would be sealed for 60 days. And the defense team that is in Idaho also public defender requested that the home not be cleaned. So they had a chance to go inside and gather their own evidence. So I found that to be very interesting as well. Like his parents home?

No, no, no, no. I believe the, I believe the home of the Idaho four. Got it. Okay. Police also stated, which I thought was interesting that they do not have the weapon that was used. And I was surprised that they came out and said that. Very surprised by that. And then also it was found on Reddit that because he, you know, obviously was doing research for his graduate program.

And he had posted seven months ago on Reddit research participation needed. Hello, my name is Brian. I'm inviting you to participate in a research project that seeks to understand how emotions and psychological traits influence decision making when committing a crime. In particular, the study seeks to understand the story behind your most recent criminal offense with an emphasis on your thoughts and feelings throughout your experience. And the event that your most recent offense was not one that led to a conviction. You may still participate. Additional surveys are included after the open ended section to best understand your unique traits. The study should take about 15 to 20 minutes to fully complete your identity and all answers provided are completely confidential.

So then he posed the link to the questionnaire. And when you open up the questionnaire, it says that these are some of the questions. What was the first move you made in order to accomplish your goal? Please detail every thought and feeling at this point. Did you prepare for the crime before leaving your home? Please detail what you were thinking and feeling at this point before leaving. Is there anything else you did after committing the crime? What were you thinking and feeling before you made your move?

How did you approach the victim or target? Please detail what you were thinking and feeling after arriving. What step did you take prior to locating the victim or target, person or object? Please detail your thoughts and feelings. Why did you choose that victim or target over others? Why did you choose that he asked the question twice? Why did you choose that victim or target over others? Then on top of that, as I continue my research, he allegedly called into a true crime podcast recently

and allegedly the host claimed that he sent the call to the FBI. I will be linking that call in to the Instagram page this week when this episode releases. I also received a personal message to my Instagram from someone who went to high school with him, said that she and none of her friend group seemed to know who he was and were very confused, but did tell me that his mom worked at the school and one person said that they remembered him only because of a major weight loss journey. They sent me yearbook photos of him, which I will also share with you guys, and also shared with me that both his sisters are counselors, therapist in the mental health and behavioral field. Other friends from high school that he hung out with have done interviews.

I've seen some of that stuff floating around on TikTok, said that he had a serious drug problem and rumored to have been on cocaine at the time of the murders. Source says that cell phone data show him stalking the girls for a week and his phone pings follow every move that they made. Another source says that he wore gloves everywhere, even in the grocery store. I don't want to put too much stock into this because he truly did have OCD tendencies and he was a potential germaphobe and had nothing to do with being a vegan as to why he wanted clean pots and pans. That could explain the gloves, but also if, in fact, he did do this and he was trying to cover his tracks.

He didn't do a very good job. Explain that as well. Supposedly he was found disposing of trash into the neighbor's trash can while at his parents' home in Pennsylvania and it has been rumored that he wore partially protective gear at the house the night of the murders. In my opinion, this would look like premeditation to a jury in Idaho. It is a death penalty state. We all know that I am very conflicted on death penalty. Well, I just want to say that if we were going to do true crime, you just did a great job, fantastic job on giving me the rundown on all of this.

I don't know where that has been. I should just be listening to true crime. You should just do true crime and I'll just listen because you just gave me the entire synopsis in 15 minutes. Love that. No, you did a great job. So good job. Okay. Well, so for all of you that are interested in keeping up with this, I'm probably going to be posting some of this stuff on my Instagram as things develop as well. And of course, any major breaks in this case, we will definitely cover on Coffee Combos. Coffee Combos podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance.

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I want to get into some listener topics really quick. The first one says I need some help and dating this guy for a couple of months. And while we have had a great time together when he drinks, he goes hard. So hard that if he's binging, then at night he will wet the bed. Is this a normal behavior? I've never been in this position before. Not sure if I should stay and monitor drinking like I'm his mother or if I should run. He's 36 and I'm 38 if that matters.

Edit to add. He has done this four times just at my house. Who knows how many nights it is. Okay, first of all, I'm going to immediately comment on this. It is very common for people to piss themselves when they are belligerent. I picked that listener topic. Just so we're clear. I put that in there like last week.

And when I saw it, I was like, because I have never been with someone who drinks excessively, so I don't know. And my mom is an ex, I mean, she is an alcoholic. But my mom that I can remember has never thrown. You've said this before. She's thrown up, but she's never pissed. Yeah, but like this is a very common thing that happens. And we've talked about this many of times.

I want to get to the more relationship part of this because I feel like you have to decide what your boundaries are and what your deal breakers are. And if it's something that you want to tolerate, then you have to basically accept it because he's proving that this is what he pisses himself when he gets belligerent and also belligerent. Okay, but let me just add to that too. I agree with you and there is a difference between like a deal breaker and just a flaw. Like flaws are what everybody has. We all accept other people's flaws, our own flaws, things like that.

If this is a red flag for you, if this is a deal breaker, but you choose to stay, then you can't complain about it. So that's number one. Like if you're going to stay and you're going to deal with this, you cannot then complain about it for the rest of the relationship. I feel like if you've addressed it one time and you have stated that it's a deal breaker and then you continue to accept it, then he doesn't take your boundary or deal breaker serious. So then at that point, you have to make a decision.

And then it's just going to be like a repetitive fight and nothing is ever going to get solved. I mean, if you didn't have a mattress protector on your bed before, maybe definitely get one on there now. And I mean, what did she say? She says, when he drinks, he goes hard. Okay, so how often are we talking? That's the other thing because I mean, I don't know if that would be a deal breaker for me or not. Like if it's very infrequent, maybe it wouldn't matter to me.

And I would know like, okay, he's going to go out. He's probably going to drink, but I don't know that that in and of itself feels like a problem for me. If you're getting to the point where you're drinking so hard that you piss more often than, you know, just once or twice like a year, maybe I think that would be a deal breaker for me. Okay, so if we're living in separate places and you want to piss yourself, piss yourself in your bed, not in my bed. Like you're not, if you're, that would be my boundary off the bat of like, you only get one time that you're pissing in my bed because I'm not waking up and cleaning up that shit.

So you pee in my bed, you get one pass and then you're not coming back. And if you're belligerent, don't even actually call me. See that one, yeah, like it's like, and it doesn't, if you're in a long-term committed relationship and you want to take things to the next step and like move in together, like how do you navigate that? Like, do you put them in a fucking diaper when they drink? Like, do you put them in a waterproof sleeping bag and put them on the couch that night? Like, how do you even navigate that?

Because there's two issues here, right? Like one is the excessive drinking to the point where you're peeing. And the second one is cleaning up after the pee. So you said a waterproof sleeping bag or a diaper. I mean, I'm just trying to think of solutions. If it's not a deal breaker, I'm just trying to be solution oriented. I think that we just determined that it is a deal breaker. Like, I think that at the point that you know that that's what you do when you get that drunk,

then you need to learn what your limit is and you need to cut yourself off before you get there. Because now you're pissing off someone that you claim that you love. So... And I'm not judging. This is not a judgment. I'm just speaking from my own personal experience is you guys all know that I'm not a drinker. I have nothing against people who drink, but for me personally, any time that I have been drunk, which is like a handful of times, I have never gotten to the point where I don't remember or I black out.

I've never been blacked out. Wait, you did do winery recently, though. I did. I went, I think it was the week of Christmas. Yeah, it was the week of Christmas. I went to the winery. Did you have so much fun? It was super cute. And you know what I loved about it? What I love the most about it is that I was home by 8.30. Okay. Yeah. That is really good news.

So I got a flight and it was like four, it was like four or five wines that you got to try. And it was like half a glass. And there was two wines that I liked. One that I would probably drink if it was like a social setting. I might have a glass of wine. The rest of them, I wasn't just a super fan of, but it wasn't bad. I liked it. I got to experience it. It was trivia night and I got some answers correct.

So if anyone wants to hire me for their trivia team, let me know. Hit me in my DM. Yeah. Hit me in my DM. Bling my hotline. And I was home by 8.30 and I played card games with the people that we went out with. And so that was a good time and I loved it. That's so fun. I always wanted to do the wine safari.

I think it's in Los Angeles somewhere. I thought it was in San Diego. Well, I don't know where it's at, but it's like somewhere. It's like a wine safari and like that would be a great thing for me to do. And I actually wanted to do it with you when we went to LA one time, but then we waited too late to get tickets so like we couldn't go. But then I realized that neither of us drank wine and I was like, No, remember the safari caught on fire?

Oh yeah, that did. So neither of us drank wine and I still don't drink wine. I feel like it's such an acquired taste. I'm a big champagne drinker and I will drink truly on draft only the wild berry flavor. That's the only truly that I like. We'll always drink that on draft or champagne or a mojito outside of that. Like I don't really fuck with it. Like I don't, I don't like wine.

I think it's, I don't know. Maybe I just need to like learn how to do it. Maybe I should go and start getting flights and learn what I like. Well, I really liked it because it also just helped me for having wine at my house because I do keep wine. Remember when we used to partner with the wine clubs on here? Yeah. And like you actually do, I will say when I have done partners with those

because I wanted to try to find wines that I actually like because when you go to like wine night or something and there's nothing that you like there, it's just like I don't feel apart. So I did try to do those and I did run across some, come to think of it. I think I still have those cards in my pantry of wines that I did, I did like. It's just not something that like I'm regularly drinking out. Right. I just, I also like, I was going to say like it's kind of like that

where you can kind of try it and then keep it in the house for guests. Like if it's a good wine, you like it. And you're like, oh, this is, you can recommend it to your guests, you know, and a lot of my friends do drink. So I keep the wine in my house now. That's really smart. Well, I think that we have time for a foul play, but I also want to do, give you guys this list of reminders for 2023.

I saw it and it inspired me. So I'm like, well, I need to inspire the kitty gang. It says celebrate your wins, not your things. Choose discipline in place of dopamine. Practice creating space, not creating drama. Use your authenticity in place of your act. Recycle your clothes, not last year's chaos. Make time for pleasure, not pick me up.

Renew your energy, not your ego. Value contribution, not confusion and resolve to be yourself so that you can believe in yourself. Where is this? Can you post it or send it to me? Yeah, I can post it and send it to you. I love that. Okay.

Hi ladies, huge, huge fan of both of you guys. And I would absolutely die if I heard my foul play on the podcast. This is not the typical shit story. And honestly, I still crack up when I think about this. A year into dating my now husband, he decided to help out a local farmer hang tobacco. First of all, what does that mean hang tobacco? It's something that people do in the South.

This is a Southern thing. Okay. Yeah, this is a Southern thing, but basically they hang the stalks of tobacco in a barn and smoke it out. So if you're ever in the South and see a barn smoking, it's not on fire. Good to know.

Thank you. Anyways, my husband got home and was complaining of his knees hurting. As someone who was in sports all her life, I'm an avid user of IcyHot. Tell me why my husband decided it would be a good idea to apply IcyHot on his knees and naked and then put on skin tight boxer briefs only to pull the IcyHot up onto his balls.

Oh my, oh my God. IcyHot balls. He was the most God, IcyHot balls literally. He was the most God awful screams from my husband, which resulted in me running to the bathroom, asking him what's wrong, and all he could tell me was Google it.

Google what? I mean my ass off. He then points to the IcyHot bottle and then his nut sack all while breathing like he was in labor. He then proceeds to get into the shower as I'm Googling how to get IcyHot off your ball sack. Yes, that was my Google search. I'm sure someone somewhere got a good kick out of that.

The first search that popped up was do not apply water to it. I'm screaming get out of the shower. After a good 10 minutes of reading searching and have my husband go into full blown labor, I found that olive oil takes it off, but you have to apply with a Q-tip. So needless to say, I ended the night with my face inches from his ball sack

applying olive oil to it. And all this man could say is baby, we are bonding. This man is lucky. I love him 10 years and a kid later. I'm still with his goofy, but I love you. I hope you both get a good laugh out of this. And if you ever get IcyHot on your ball sack, better hope you have olive oil on hand.

Okay, first of all, you do love somebody. If they have been so dumb to use IcyHot and then get it on their ball sack and then you are laying there applying olive oil with a Q-tip on their balls like you do love them. So I love that for her. I'm not applying olive oil to anybody's ball sack with a Q-tip.

I feel like that something Will would do. That's something that you would come on here and say, Will would do this. I just can't. He is stupid like that. But listen, nobody is putting, nobody is helping, like you need to go find your own Q-tip

and olive oil and put it on your own balls. Like it was, it's in here, like it says that you have to put it on with a Q-tip, but like why? Okay, no, I'm going to be like, you need to get in the shower and you need to stand there against the wall and I'm going to

I'm just going to douse, I'm just going to pour it on you at this point. I'm just going to throw olive oil at the wall and I hope it hits your balls. I wonder if like the olive oil made the ball sack like really smooth though. I literally cannot. Can you tell us if the olive oil made your ball sack smooth?

Yeah, we need to know. We know it did. Okay, well, I am off to Pilates and the furniture store because we know how many times I've talked about how I'm going to get my office together and also how I'm going to get my guest bedroom together and I also lied to everyone

and said I was going to do that over the holiday break and didn't. So here I am really sacking up, going to the furniture store, picking out the furniture, ordering it today and putting that shit together because I'm tired of looking at it. Like it's the only place in my house not done.

Put together. Yeah, I hate that feeling. So that's what I'm doing and then I'll just like catch up with all of my other bullshit that I wanted to talk about today but didn't have time for. So I hope that you have a good rest of your day. I hope all of you kitties also have a good rest of your day.

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