Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Surviving Surgery, New Custody Arrangements & Choosing Your Hard

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

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I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convoes with Kail Lowry and Lindsay Crissly. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Good morning, Kitty Kale. Good morning. I was getting death threats if I didn't come back to the podcast, so I'm here. You know what? I was under the impression that I might no longer have a co-host.

Oh. But I was like, you know what? This might be the end of her. Yeah, I severely underestimated the healing that is of a necklift. So I have been fighting for my life. I took five kids to the dentist this morning and immediately. following that, had to drop them back off at school or drop them off at school this morning. And I bled through my clothes with my period because I got my period on the first of the month.

And I bled through everything and had to go into the schools like that. I thought you hadn't bled through your stuff in a while. Yeah. It's been a long time. I had it mostly under control. And now I'm back to bleeding through my stuff three times a day. I have been wearing men's boxer briefs to keep a person. had in place with a tampon in.

But I didn't do that today because when I got up this morning, I had no blood. So I was like, okay, I think we're like, it's day four. Like maybe we're going to lighten up a little bit. But I think my period was like, no, I'm just kidding, because you were laying down. So when you stand up, everything comes out. So I am just fighting for my life today between the dentist and my period. Wait, wait. Okay.

So remember when we had the conversation about the tampons and it being like no blood on the one side situation? Yep. Are we still experiencing that? And did you ever actually do the marketing test that we were going to do? No, I completely, you know, I say I'm going to do a lot of marketing tests and then I never do it. No, I haven't had a chance because I missed my period for the entire month of August. And you knew you were not pregnant. No, I actually freaked out a little bit. So like my tubes, you would be the one person that's tubes like grew back together. Or I just had an immaculate conception somehow, but I was panicking. And I literally was just like, I can't. This is insane. So, but I need to tell you that first day of school was this week. And I had to

print this picture because almost everybody, nobody's crying. Okay. That's like, I know not everybody is looking, but not everybody is, nobody is crying. Nobody's crying. Nobody's crying. You know, I used to think that one of your kids and you know the one that I'm talking about was the prettiest kid that you have and now my mind has changed you think it's rio now no valley valley is a little ham actually when i picked her up from school today look at that dimple i know it's like the dimples and then just the hair and the skin and the attitude it's just like all the things so i don't know if anyone else who has twins has experienced like in the the same class out of the same class some i know some twin moms want their twins separated i know some

moms want their twins together depending on the different circumstances for right now i like keeping them together um but the teacher did stop me and she was like they had such a good day and she was like vali she's like i'll take vali any day she's like a little helper like a little teacher helper and then she said whenever the other kids are crying in the class she always goes up to them and like pets them and it's like okay it's okay and i was like oh my god because she has So she has so much sass at home. So it's like funny that she's being like a little like a little big sister to everyone. About that all the time about their kids.

Like if your kids are really good at school, typically they're hell at home. Yes. Have you ever heard that? Yes. Jackson's held both places. So we, we're in sixth grade now and he's going to be a sports broadcaster. Oh, I love that. But we don't need science.

Got it. Or social studies probably. It doesn't matter if you get a 58 on a test. You know what? That's where we are. He's not wrong. Okay. He's not wrong.

Yeah. You know, I'm pissed. I know, but like send him to Aunt Kales and we'll make sure that he goes to a good school for journalism. Okay. Well, I will make sure that I send him the note for that. I do need to talk to you about the, the surgery situation that's going on. Number one, can we just get into like the psychological part for why you decided that you wanted to do it? Oh, sure. Fine. Yeah, I am sick of seeing

my double chin and my drooping cheeks, the jowls in all my videos. I know other people don't notice it like I did, but it was something that I, it bothered me. And everything, time I would see videos, I'd be like, oh, my makeup looks so good or my hair looks so good, but I have this bulky, like, chin neck situation and droopy jowls. And I've said it a million times, but I'll say it again, like my mom had it in her 30s, my grandma, my great grandma all had the jowling and the extra skin, like, bulky neck. I think what people don't know is that I also got my glands trimmed back because part of the bulkiness of my neck was that I had really big glands. What false was that, did they say? I think that's also genetics, but Kristen might

know better than I do. I'm not entirely sure, but I know there was a lot of scar tissue from trying to correct it from like lipo in 2016. Okay, so they didn't tell Kristen, they just said that my glands were like big. And I'm emphasizing big because I think there's like enlarged glands and then there was like kale's glands. But was it like the glands? Because I know that you regularly like struggle with strep throat and stuff. Is it like those same glands? Um, no, but I should.

I honestly should have just gotten them out too. Um, I don't exactly know what glands. All I know is that I'm not supposed to have any foods for a month post-op that would increase salivation salivating, like whatever salivary glands. Thank you. Um, so immediately following surgery, she was like no salty foods nothing that's going to make your mouth water no spice stuff like that um and i know that when i had lipo in 2016 to my neck um that causes scar tissue not by anything the

doctor did wrong but just in general like having lipo causes scar tissue so she had to spend an extra hour in my neck because i had so much scar tissue even in the muscle so it wasn't just like fatty scar tissue it's like also in my muscle um But yeah, I mean, the amount of comments that I've seen saying work out, you need to eat better, this, that, and the third, yes, I agree. I need to do those things regardless. But what I had done could not be corrected no matter how many fruits and vegetables I ate, no matter how if I had a private chef or if I have a personal trainer, nothing would have solved that. It would just truly make my skin droop even more. Oh, I saw a couple of comments and it's like hit the elliptical and it's like,

bitch that's for your legs and ass like not for your chin but like also even still like there was and i said this i think i might have said this to you or to becky to somebody there's a creator that i used to be like like sort of cordial with and she flipped a script she flipped a script on me and now all a sudden it's oh if i had kale's money i'd go get a personal trainer and a personal chef and i'd have a garden of fruits and vegetables that i'm growing on my own yeah i should do those things but none of that would have corrected it. So then what? Yeah. No, I think that you just have to make decisions that fit personal for you and just roll with it. I'm glad that you are much more recovered than other times that I have seen you. Yeah. Yeah, I was, I was a little scared for a second,

honestly. I was like, is she going to have a face still? Like, no, week two was the most emotional week of my life because that first week was all pain so you're just like on perks and you're like what the fuck and then the second week you're like oh my god what did i do is my face ever going to go back to normal like did i fuck up did i make a mistake and then week three i started to feel better i started to use tinted moisturizer um that's what i'm using right now um and a lot of my like my dissolvable stitches are almost gone i have them right here is as much as you were cut I would have expected that the scarring would have been, like, much more noticeable. I will say this, I'm waiting for it to relax a little bit.

If you can see, like, that little pinch, there's a little bit left on this side. This is my more swollen side. And then the biggest scar that I have is under my chin. Well, yeah, obviously, that's where they did the most work, right? I think so. Don't ask me. I don't know anything. I just find shit.

I was just there. I was just there for a good time. Oh, my God. I have to show you this thing. And before I even get into this, I watched the most random TikToks of shit. Like, I watched those TikToks of like people cleaning their baseboards and like doing house resets and like, I don't know, shit from the TikTok shop that I really don't need. But I ran across this one video of this girl. And okay, so when you travel, are you a makeup wear while traveling or you're like fresh face?

It depends. It depends the time of day where I'm going. what time it'll be when I land, it really just depends. Like, if I know that I want to go somewhere when I land or I have to be somewhere when I land, I'm going to wear makeup. If I am taking an early flight out and going home or I'm going from home somewhere and I sort of have like a free day, I'm going fresh-faced. Okay.

So if I'm going in the car, I'm wearing no makeup. Yeah, no. Like, that's just not happening. It's going to be like skincare and eye gels and that's it. We're rolling out. don't give a fuck who sees me on the highway don't care if i go to the airport like when i came for the webbies for new york i was fresh-faced okay because that was a late flight like nobody's going to see me like whatever yeah if it's just like a two-hour flight and i'm flying

to new york and we're going to go do something then i probably will so i ran across this ticot because i always regularly get like some type of breakout from traveling okay yeah it's i mean it's recycled air it's like dirty air. Have you seen this stuff? No. It's called antimicrobial facial cleanser. It removes viruses and bacteria and it's just a FDA cleared skin mist and you spray it just like on your face and it's supposed to spray away germs from around the eyes, nose and mouth. Is that on Amazon? Can you send me a link? This is on Amazon. I found it on Amazon they have two sizes but I was going to say this would probably be good like as we head into colder weather for our kids to give them a little facial miss before going to school

and after school so that they're not bringing it into the car and then in from the car into something else yeah 1,000 percent right yes I was like oh my gosh this is I'm I'm going to put this to the test in a couple of days okay send me a link for that so that I can also order and I'm to keep one in my car and one in my house. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. We turn to some funny places for support sometimes, but not everyone is a therapist. So find your right match with BetterHelp because we've done it all before, right? Like talking to our hairstylist, a barista, or maybe even like a random stranger in a

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Are they all over your house? No. So I don't hang them up when I get home. As soon as we get home, I line up all the backpacks on the dining room table. because I have to unpack their lunch boxes, unpack their water bottles, go through their folders. And if I put them away on the hooks, it's just like more of a pain in the ass because obviously when I built the house, I only built for four kids. And now I have seven. So it's like double up and then whatever. So I line them up on the dining room table. And then I pull everything out. I set it on

the counter. And then I do what I got to do. And then I fill everything back up. And then they go on the hooks. Okay. Well, I have to tell you going through a backpack, like that will be one thing. that I will be glad to give that job to someone else at some point. I hate doing it. I bitch about the apps all the time. Like how many apps we have to have for the school. It's like, I don't know, for like your registration shit where you put like your license and your information, it's like one app.

Then there's an app where the kids have the school assignments and shit. Then there's an app for other communications from the county. So then why are we getting all of these papers still when we have all these apps? Because I can't do both. Listen, at the point, and I get it, like the dads are going to have a field day with this. The emails, apps, papers, no matter how you communicate to me, at the point that it is this long. Yeah. And I have 100 children.

I'm not reading it. You know what? Tommy is going to school with no red shirt. Tommy is going to school in a regular, whatever out that he picks out, all of versus going to school with with crox on i i'm not i don't have capacity like i don't have it in me whether it's one kid or 12 like because i know that you only have one but to your point now i have kids in different school districts i'm not reading 12 different five paragraph essays on the different school like please like i just need you to summarize like

you this is where chat gpte would be so effective and helpful summarize five paragraphs in two sentences oh my god wait i've got to get back to the chat gpt thing for a second because what someone said to me yesterday about chat gpt i was like has everybody lost your fucking minds yeah the dads will have a field day with this so i'm just going to say i never related to you more and i understand i'm a mom of one but i never related to you more but i never related to you more than fucking last week. Why? What was last week?

The way that Will was skating on such thin ice. Please tell me why we're sharing time during the school week. And I'm still doing all of the parenting obligations on my days and yours while you're laying there in fucking basketball shorts. Let's talk about it. Because there is some frustration that I have with one of the dad's specific. specifically. I don't understand men's logic. I don't understand they, it seems like men collectively, most men. Obviously, we know. So don't write in and say, that's not true. I don't

agree. Yeah, your husband might not fall into this category. Your boyfriend might not fall into this category. They might be an outlier. Let him be an outlier. You don't need to comment. This isn't for you. I am so sick of the dads who feel like parenting, is not 100% of the time. So whether you have 50-50 or 90-10 or 20-20 or fucking 50. I don't care. 50-30. Not 50-30. 37. I don't care what the split is. Parenting is a full-time job. So that also means hindsight is 2020 and my vision is certainly not. So 2020 date line. That's what I meant, Kristen. That's what's going to happen. 2020 date line, whatever, on NBC. Parenting is a 100. 100% of the time job.

So I personally don't give a fuck if it's your time. If you are working and Will has more flexibility that day and Jackson has a doctor appointment or a dentist appointment or whatever the fuck he has going on, Will needs to step up, right? So if I also have 50-50, we'll say hobby, for example, or Joe, and one of the kids has an appointment, I do think that both of them would step up and say, like, oh, if you can't take off. Just like let me know. Yeah, and I'll do it. Yeah. I have a co-parent. And I almost made a TikTok about this instead of the podcast, but we're just going to leave it here. Who feels that you can do

both. Truly. He feels that he should not be obligated to do things on my time at all. Okay. Yeah, you can fuck yourself. That's number one. The way, Kail, I went off because you get all of these notifications when you have notification set up for like these assignments and stuff and it's coming through and it's like oh Jackson got a zero for this or like this wasn't turned in or oh we're getting checked out um we're missing PE and uh home at because we need to get to the lake like the fuck are you doing lake one yeah because they they were going to the lake and i'm like first of all this doesn't work for me secondly please tell me why i had to send a text it says, can you acknowledge receipt of the text message that I sent this morning at 10.52 a.m.

He says, this was at 110. So I gave plenty of time and it was something that was timely. He said, I acknowledge your text. I'm not sure why your manic state couldn't wait 72 hours, but I will be responding in kind when I return tomorrow. In kind? In kind. First of all, who talks like that? Second of all, I'm egging your house. I got chicken eggs fresh for you to just throw right at Will's house. First of all, okay, this was, this was like, do you imagine it's like this episode airs

and then there's footage of you like actually egging his house? I would fucking die. Can we get an AI of that, please? You remember that gnome that was like going like this that you sent me in the mail? Yeah. I put it in Will's yard and it was there for like weeks before he noticed. And he was like, who did this? He's like, this is from kale.

that's your warning me and kale okay so this morning i'm just sitting taking my morning pits flip down at my phone and i see where jackson's field trip permission slip is mark and complete mind you the field trip permission slip was due last week that i sent a reminder text to make sure it was filled out and he confirmed that this was done so i just sent a little nice texty poo and sent the screenshot and said, did you complete this? He goes, I thought I did, but maybe it never made it to school. If you need me to print and redo it, let me know. First of all, you never did it. You never did it. And when I was on the way to school, I'm like, Jackson, can you please go through your backpack? Because I need the field trip for him.

Do you think that Will is colluding with my kids' fathers to like, and they're like collectively working on ways to piss us off? Yes. Yes. I do. So Jackson finds this little form in his backpack completely fucking untouched. No signature on there. You know why I think he didn't do it? Why? Because of two reasons. This field trip cost $89 for students. And he knows that I always request that like one of us apply to be the chaperone. And it's $89 for chaperones too. So he was like, no, I'm going to leave that form in there for that bitch to do. Wait, she could sign up. Wait, what kind of schools do you all have? What if somebody doesn't have $80? Well, that's why I wanted to talk about this permission slip because I'm like,

what about little Timmy at the school that like his parents get this and have an absolute heart attack? No, because like I'm literally thinking about field trips for this. Like, I don't know that we've ever. had one more than like, and I'm going out on a limb and saying $10, but I don't even think I've seen that. I've seen $5.80 something dollars for a few. What kind of school is that? I will send you, I will take a picture of this. I've got to mark out like some of the information, but I will take a picture of this. $89 for students and $89 for chaperones. Well, I didn't really have time to fuck around with Will this morning, but I plan on doing that this afternoon when I see

and when I go to the bus stop. And I'm going to show him this piece of paper. I'm going to say, was this the paper that you filled out? This one? Tell him you're requesting half. Also, where's the check? No, no, half of Jackson's portion and your full portion for him being a dumbass. You know what?

I'm really sick of some people, and this is not in regards to Will, but I'm really sick of some people going out and running their mouths about things that I have receipts of. No, truly. Like spot on, hit the nail on the fucking head. Like, you are running your fucking mouth and doing no action, no problem solving, no solution. You're repeating the same patterns, the same fucking behaviors. When does it end?

You know what? I'm going to end my part of the conversation there because it ends when I say it ends. That's when it ends. $89. So since he filled this out, this, since he did that, I'm going to ask to see his checkbook where he should have the like other part of the check where it says like he, you know, and when he doesn't have it. You're going to egg his house.

And then I'm going to egg it again when he cleans it up. Is that a threat? No, it's a promise. It's a little jokey joke. I do want to say I do love. him and he mostly is good but sometimes he just gets wayward and it's like okay you got to get reeled back in a little bit yeah no i agree um like no longer your wife so i i literally would would love for this week to be started over with my kids dads but here we are you know what we've

at least made it to thursday there's only one more day for them to really you know up the ante on the diabolical shit. Yeah. Dennis today. Oh, tell me about the dentist. Dennis today. Nobody had cavities. None of them.

All five of them. Tomorrow I have to take Lincoln out of school early because he has to get. This is so annoying to me. And it's a stupid first world problem. Yeah, my kids' dads don't operate during business hours, unfortunately. So... What hours do they operate on? Unsure.

I asked one of them. of them does he have a job and he wouldn't answer me so um that was face to face and he was like why do you need to know what do you need to know for um but no i have to take link into the pediatrician i have to pull him out of school early tomorrow because his physical just expired and in order to get a new epipen for his beasting allergy um he has to be seen at the doctor which is fine because he needs a physical anyway but it is frustrating if his physical was still like valid um if i would have had to take him in just because like he's still allergic to bees like he's never that's probably not going to grow out of it but the freaking epipens expired yesterday and i couldn't get

him into the doctor until tomorrow so i'm just hoping for the love of all things holy let's hope he doesn't get stung at recess between now and tomorrow that's so stressful like the thoughts of that because they can't what they just like can't use the epipen if it's expired like what do they do with it throw it away i don't so i know people who have had epipen like hold on to the like expired ones um i don't i'm not i can't for the school like anyone's that are going to the school have to be like like the right date yeah yeah um but i i don't think they actually expire i don't know for sure um Kristen says yes they can freaking liars like they can use them i'm sure it's just like a liability for the school they can't administer something

right expiration date on exactly i get i don't want them doing that to my kid Do any of your kids watch college football? Yes, they do. Which children? Lincoln, Lux, and Creed is starting to get into it. They were, we were in the car. I had just picked up Lincoln from Havi in Virginia. And they were talking about the Clemson LSU game.

And it was, we were a divided family that night. I didn't know what the hell was going on. I was rooting for Clemson because you root for Clemson. And they were up. And then I think when you texted, I was like, oh, I think the boys thought that they one, but when we checked the score because we were driving, we didn't get to watch all of it. They were like... And we were devastated here in this house.

I bet. Really devastated. We love college football, but this was the photos that I received of Jackson because, you know, again, he was at the lake. He got checked out of two periods so we could go to the lake. But I love him. And I guess Will took that one of him crying. Oh, no. Absolutely devastated, but something fun that you can do with those boys is we are doing weekly

picks. So you just go on like ESPN app or whatever and see the games. And then just put like, I mean, Jackson and I put $20 on it, but they could put like $5 on it. And it's the overall, whoever has the most picks right at the end of the week gets the money. Oh, that's cool. That's fun. That's really cute. So it's like if three of them, do it, then they could do like $5. $5.00. Yeah. And whoever gets the most right gets the money. Draf King's Casino has your playbook for gaming action all season long.

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and I was still recovering from surgery. My eight-year-old beat me in chess. And that was truly not one of my proudest moments. I mean, I was, I was proud of him. I was not proud of myself. Lincoln beat me last night. I beat Lux finally. And so I had no idea that Lincoln had actually learned hobby taught him how to play chess. So I didn't know. So I learned how to play chess and taught Elliot. And then when we went to Virginia to get Lincoln, Lincoln's like, oh yeah, I've played at my dad's. My dad taught me how to play. I'm like, what? Like, I thought I was doing something special. And so now we just have chess tournaments, but we make bets. So last night, the bet was, if I lose, I have to jump in the pool with all my clothes on. And so I'm required to do that today

after school. Can you use the excuse that your face doesn't need to be in chlorine to like not do that one? I'm going to say that. And I'm also going to say that I have my period because I do. I love the fact that y'all are playing chess because I just feel like I'm also in a phase of life currently. where it's kind of like the fuck around and find out game you play chess not checkers you know yeah no i agree i'm also in this like growing my hair out phase this is the awkward length i blow dried it last night after my shower and laid on it um do you have extensions in because i might get them yeah i only have one row though i think i'm going to get just like a row or two of them just so that um you will hate the rows of extensions do not put extensions in your hair until you

can just get one row it's a lot of work what is how like what is the difference no well so the extension things i hated because i was going to bed with wet hair so the moisture would be trapped back here and then i would sleep on it and then i would wake up and i'd be irritated so taylor was like you have to blow dry your hair you have to put it in a braid so i've been blow drying my hair every night so that I'm not going to bed with wet hair, but it's at this just fucking weird length. And she saved my hair, so I might be able to use it. Well, just put in two rows of extensions. If you hate them, worst case scenario, just take them out.

Highly recommend getting a blowout once a week if you have them. I was going to actually ask you on this episode if you've ever done a Brazilian blowout. I feel like I did one time. I can't really remember if it was like a keratin or a blowout. I don't really know. I think that they're very different. I think the proteins and stuff and them are different. But I'm going to do a Brazilian blowout because my hair, the older I've gotten, the curlier it has become.

And it's like, you can't even like do anything like with it. So I'm getting a Brazilian blowout. Period. Yeah. And so I don't care if I look, stick straight or whatever because look at like what is happening. You've got curly hair now. I'm just a curly hair, girly. Call me Valley's mom.

Her hair is curly. Can we talk for a second about. your summer and it being the first summer without Lincoln and how you feel like the custody arrangement is going. Okay. Here are my thoughts. Collective thoughts so far is I'm happy with I don't know if happy is the right word. I'm fine with it. I'll make it work. It was really hard to do trips without Lincoln because they don't feel complete. They don't feel whole. It also is hard to do them without the babies, but the babies, I know a ton of people always ask me why I don't bring the babies. Well, because it's not fun for the older kids when we have to schedule around

nap times and bottles and this, that, and the third. They will, there will come a time where they'll be old enough to come. It's not complete without Lincoln. And then we did South Carolina first, and then we did Virginia after that. It was actually upsetting because then it would be like, oh, remember when we did this in South Carolina and it was like, oh, you weren't there. Like, never mind like that is heartbreaking because obviously don't want lincoln to feel left out i also don't want him to feel left out um so it was hard but it was also and then the other part of that is like okay i really sat down and like thought about every single long weekend every single break when am i taking my son on vacation then like when does he get to because you're getting

every single long break so it's not like i could take him away for like a long weekend or something. It's like, and then in the past, Havi has been very flexible, pretty convenient. You know, when they went to Costa Rica and then we were going to Disney and then we were going to Spain, Havie never gave me a hard time about pulling Lincoln out of school. And, you know, we were pretty aligned on that. Like, as long as Lincoln is up to date on all his stuff, like it didn't really, I don't want to say it didn't matter, but it didn't really, it wasn't super impactful because Lincoln would do whatever he could online. He is in good standing, whatever, With this new arrangement, with him having every long weekend, every holiday break, Christmas, Thanksgiving, spring break, like, that's a, first of all, a lot of time in the car.

Like, we're driving almost two and a half hours to the meeting place and then driving two and a half hours back to turn around and do it again in two or three days. I think what's going to end up happening is that it's not really going to work out. I think what will end up happening is it'll work out for like the longer. stretch breaks where you're not having to do the two and a half hours there and then that back within three days. But I don't really think that's going to be conducive for a three day weekend. When you're looking at the situation of driving two, two and a half hours back and forth, Hobby has other kids. I have other kids. So considering all of them collectively, it's a lot to ask of me and it's a lot to ask of Hobby and Lauren, you know, to figure out what to do

with the other kids for a minimum of five hours twice in one weekend. So yes, I understand that this is not about the other kids. But on a Friday after school, it impacts them. It impacts all of us. Like we are talking about a minimum of five hours in the car there and back twice because we're going two and a half hours there, two and a half hours home, turning around. doing it again in three days. This is not. And then I'm thinking to myself, and I haven't talked to Hobby about it yet, but like this weekend, for example, Lincoln has a doubleheader on Saturday starting at 9 a.m. And then he has a flag football game on Sunday. Cool. So that's three games in two days. What are we doing on the long weekends that he's with Hobby? He's just going to miss them.

I was going to ask you that about the sports situation. Does the sports obligations that have been agreed upon, I'm assuming that y'all are agreeing for those sign-ups, right? Yep. I personally, I could be wrong, but I don't think Hobby would be the dad to be like, well, he can just miss those games. I think you do have one dad that would be like that, but I don't think hobby's going to be like that. I just wonder what his plan is.

Obviously, I haven't talked to him about it. His parents, his sister. So that's helpful. What do you think about maybe talking to Hobby about the three-day weekends if Lincoln's playing sports, like spending time with Hobby's parents locally? Yeah. But I think that's a good, like, meat in the middle, right? I mean, I agree with you, but you know they're not going to agree with that. Well, you know what?

Maybe they will shock and surprise us. Surprise us. Did you see that case about the University of Kentucky? I think she was like on the stunt team. She was on the stunt team and she delivered a baby and buried it in her closet. Yeah. I sent it to you and I'm sick over it because did we not learn anything from the girl who gave birth and threw it away in the hospital trash can? Like there is a such thing as like leaving your baby in a safe haven box.

There's a such thing as like adoption. Do these girls feel like they have no other option? like I don't I cannot get behind that I'm having a really hard time with the like we're going to coddle them because they didn't know what options were available to them like that bothers me like you mean to tell me you didn't you were on the stunt team but you didn't have one single person that you could confide in to help you figure out a better solution than burying your baby in the closet I personally think that I don't know if she was like full term pregnant like you think it was because the charges weren't murder i think that they do have to do an autopsy of we don't know

if it was murder or not well and i think that's why i think a lot of people online are like why wasn't she charged with murder i don't think they can initially charge her with that until there is an autopsy on the body to determine the cause of death my first thought was was this like a preterm labor situation had the baby and it was like a stillborn still doesn't excuse but the baby was put in a trash bag and put into a closet but I would some of the pictures that I've seen surface like you could tell that she was visibly pregnant so I don't think my initial thought was oh maybe like her parents didn't know or something I just you know she knew she was pregnant she knew um if that baby was born stillborn like you you didn't go to urgent care and like go to the

or go to the hospital and like say like I didn't even know I was pregnant like you couldn't even like pull that because like I would have more empathy if you did that and then was like putting your baby in a stillborn box like why are like I don't I can't understand and like as someone who was pregnant in high school not once but twice like you can go get help without your parents. I also. How did they find the baby? I believe it was like maybe the roommates or something, like found it and then called the police.

And then that's how they discovered the bag of the baby in the closet. I just don't like. I'm just wondering like, did a teammate come there or something? Because they would have known, I mean, if you're on a stunt team wearing some of the clothes that they wear like they're pretty tight clothing you would know that your friend was anywhere from four to six months pregnant yeah you looked like i wouldn't say like super super visibly pregnant from the photos that i saw but enough to know if you knew her prior to that that she was carrying a baby it's just so deficit i didn't wonder if a friend came and helped her

birth the baby and they did it together or did she like do that on her own remember that one case that we talked about that girl she buried it in the backyard yes Skyler Skyler yes I do believe that that Skyler had that baby by herself like on the toilet I do believe that that can happen a lot of people in the eight years that we've had coffee compost podcast this is the third one in eight years and they're like widely known cases like you cannot tell me that any one of those three girls didn't see the last one situation except for obviously the first one you know how this turns out you know that this is going to go viral you know that this is going to like if nothing else the life of the baby

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Was this like a recent thing that happened? Or was this like a while ago? And it's already like a decomposing body. I mean, I don't know. Like, I don't know how long decomposition takes. Will they ever be able to actually determine the cause of death? what if the baby had been in there for however long can that affect them being able to determine if it was stillborn or if she did something yeah because they'll be able to see i think by the

lungs like if the baby was a stillborn or not i think something like that or if it was like strangled or smothered or whatever the other possibility is like maybe the dad helped i know people don't like when we speculate that's the only thing i know and trying to avoid I'm not necessarily trying to speculate. I'm really just trying to put my head around the idea that someone would do that and think that it wasn't going to eventually be found out. Let me Google, like, updates. Stunt team.

I think, honestly, she was just in court yesterday, I believe. Okay, let's see. Of hiding a dead baby in closet, I don't know if that means, oh, wait, report on autopsy. is inconclusive as of four hours ago. Can you read more? Yeah. Her name's Lakin.

She was arrested over the weekend in charge with abuse of a corpse, tampering with evidence and concealing the birth of an infant. This comes after a dead infant was allegedly found in her closet. Now the autopsy reports are in for that infant. It's been completed. However, they're inconclusive, leaving investigators with further questions about how the infant died. A report from the Lafayette County Coroner's Office showed that the baby boy died on August 27th. However, it added that extensive microscopic analysis are essential to determine the cause and manner of death.

With that, the investigation remains open and that concludes looking into the cause of death for the infant. Once that can be established further investigations into how that occurred can be more easily handled. It could also potentially lead to further charges than the infant. case. More importantly, it would help lead to answers regarding what happened and why it happened. It says the infant was reportedly found inside a black trash bag and wrapped in a towel within her closet. She's also reportedly the mother of the infant. It is also unclear if she has currently retained a lawyer regarding the incident. Sources with direct knowledge tell TMZ that she told officers that she was the child's mother and admitted to concealing the

birth by cleaning any evidence, placing all cleaning items used inside of the black trash bag, including the infant who was wrapped in a towel. She was booked at the Lafayette County Detention Center and reportedly posted the $100,000 bond on home incarceration with no ankle monitor. She is a 21-year-old stunt performer at Kentucky. She's now a junior, and she's from Tennessee. I think the bond was with the condition

that she would live with her parents. Yes. Okay, answer, you might. not know the answer to this question, but makes me believe that the child would have been able to live outside of the womb when they're calling it an infant and not a fetus. Yeah. Right. 24 weeks to my knowledge, don't quote me on this, is like survivability outside of the uterus.

I don't know what the percentage of the survivability is, but I know 24 weeks you can. So I don't know if you saw the stunt picture, like the, where she's in her stunt uniform, she had a baby bump. Yeah, she did. And I'm not speaking for everybody, but I'm speaking for myself. It took longer my first pregnancy to start showing an actual bump than the rest of them. So that would lead me personally to believe that she was further pregnant than people might think. I agree.

I would say, again, not speculating, but like over 24 weeks pregnant. Yeah. I would assume. Very interesting, though, because I did not know until that update that it was. was a boy because I saw on TikTok last night on my late night doom scrolling that she had reposted a video on her TikTok about wanting to be a girl mom or something like that. I saw that. I will tell you that I, for whatever reason, when I first ran across this, I was like,

maybe she's been away from her parents long enough, like once she started showing. that like they didn't know and maybe they're finding out about it because you can't tell me if her parents knew that there weren't any questions until now. I think this one's more believable that the parents didn't know compared to what was her name Alexi Trevino or Trevisa, whatever her name was that threw the baby away in the hospital trash can and then Skyler who buried it in the backyard like they lived with their parents. Like, they had no excuse to not know. But this one, I could see the parents not knowing.

But even still, once they find out, what did you think, like, your beliefs? Right. Like, what if she, let's just say hypothetically. You said she's from Tennessee, which is relatively close, depending on what part of Tennessee she's from, relatively close to Kentucky. What if she had been around her parents and she was or had been pregnant, but then when she actually started showing, she was, she was like living back in Kentucky and her parents didn't know. It's possible. Because you can't tell me that if her parents knew, I mean, anything's possible.

But if her parents knew, like, would they not have questions? She would have had to have told them something. I would love to know what they told her or what she told them. I would love to know her story because I just can't understand the thought process behind it. Like I can't even for the other girls that did it is like, What is your thought process behind this? And then also, like, how do you move forward after? Like, for, I think Skyler is not in jail anymore and she's, like, living her life.

Like, how are you know, like, how do you move on? I think the same thing about people who get away with murder. Like, think about Casey Anthony. Like, how do you move on and not close your eyelids and see your baby? I just can't get behind the idea. of giving birth to a baby and putting it in a towel and then cleaning up stuff and then putting all of the cleaning supplies and the baby in the towel inside of a black trash bag and hiding it in your closet well and if she had roommates did they not smell it because I know I mean we're

talking about that but if the baby was born and it wasn't still born like wouldn't it have cried at some point. Like, wouldn't somebody have heard something? Maybe. Maybe she gave birth in her car. I don't know. And then just took the trash to her closet? But why?

Like, your closet? Like, you didn't take the baby, like, what? To a dumpster? Like, you left the baby in your closet. I can't even imagine. And, like, she was dressed to the nines in her court appearance. Like, she was... Really?

Let me go look. Her makeup, her makeup, cool face and makeup, hair done. No way. Yes. Go and look at the photo. How do I, how do I like see it? First of all, I wouldn't have done it, but I'm just saying like if that was me, I would show up looking like this in a Kelsey Ballerini sweatshirt and my hair on top of my head.

I'm going to keep following this case like we've done, as you've said, over the past eight years, the other cases that it's happened as well. Um, there's a listener topic that I want to get to. This person says, I know it eventually falls on me wanting better, but how did you finally get the courage to leave your significant other? My relationship has been unhealthy for the entire thing. We have three kids and I'm ready to leave, but I don't know how to finally take the step. He's had several ups and downs with alcohol. He stopped for a year and it started drinking again. I work full time and take care of 99% of the things bills, kids, meals, cleaning, etc. I have become super resentful. We're struggling financially and we shouldn't be. He picks and chooses when he works and 70% of the time he plays video games. I'm not a saint and have become kind of mean due to my resentment. I'm not happy. And I know that I want this to end, but it feels really hard. We have a home together, both on title, but I want the mortgage. He let me know that he let me know the only way he's leaving is if I get an attorney and he'll make sure that I spend the most possible with that attorney. I've called a couple and the prices are

scaring me. I do well for myself, but I'm not sure how I can pay for an attorney and keep the household going when I'm already struggling. Not 100% sure what I need to hear, but the girls always deliver. Thank you if you've made it as far. Well, the first thing I'm going to say is choose you're hard. And by that, I mean, I have chills because I remember this all too well, whether you're married or just in a regular relationship. Choose your hard. Do you want to stay in this marriage where you are miserable and you become a shell of a human? You're a bitch all the time. Eventually, that will trickle down to your kids or you'll be so resentful. towards your husband that you snap on the kids just because your mind is somewhere else.

Do you choose that hard? Or do you choose the hard that is getting all your ducks in a row starting to save a couple dollars here and there to like move forward? I've always chosen the hard that is without somebody. That's why I leave everyone. But as far as like paying for the actual attorney, that is something that is so difficult. And I don't have any advice there outside of like trying your. your best to like maybe make something on TikTok, like if you can make yourself a, you know,

a creator of some sort, whether it's crafting or cleaning. If you don't want to show your face and your kids, that's fine. Like there is a way that you could try to like go viral on TikTok to make money there. Um, cutting back spending, go thrifting instead of like regular clothes and shoes. Like I don't know. Like I stated a homeless shelter in order to get out of a relationship. So I am willing to go to extreme lengths to do that. I don't know what other people's threshold is. I don't know in terms of like paying the attorney, that's where I'm stuck. I have a lot to say about this.

Number one, when resentment sets in, it's really hard to get over. Yeah. Like once that is there and you have met that threshold, you might as well, in my opinion, just go ahead and leave. Because that is not going to change. Yep.

And if 70% of his time is spent playing video games, knowing that you have three children, knowing that he has a wife that if he was in tune with his wife, he would know that she was struggling mentally and emotionally. I also think it's very shitty, and I'm just going to say it for a man to be on the title of a home, but not on the mortgage, because that means that that is fully her financial responsibility. And he only gets to reap the benefits of it, not the part that if she can't pay it, it's not going to affect him. Do we think that she could file a possible separation to, like, maybe try to give him a wake-up call?

Because she's basically one foot out the door, maybe even one and a half feet out the door, file a separation. Because in my state, I don't recognize separation. Here, you can say you separated on any day. Like, when you go file for divorce, you can say, oh, I separated six months ago or whatever the case may be. But I think there's a way, like, could you file separation instead just to, see one, if you can do it on your own, maybe they can remove him from the home and kind of go from there, let him figure it out. Not like in the state of Georgia, as long as there is no like domestic violence or anything like

that, it's a harm to like your physical safety. They will not require either party to move out of the home until the divorce is finalized. And there is an agreement on what's happening at the house, either it's being sold or one parties keeping it. So I think that that really depends on states too. I do think this guy's going to be difficult and I think probably a gaslighter and possibly a narcissist to say that he's going to make her spend however much money on attorneys. Like don't let that attorneys and bills are scary, but don't let that. Don't let that scare you because if he doesn't, if he's picking and choosing when he's working and he's on video games and he's not contributing to bills and stuff like

that in order to fight her to make her spend, he's going to have to spend on his own attorney. He's not going to know what the fuck he's doing. So yeah, go ahead. Go do all the filing. That's minimum $100 to file this, $200 to file that. So yeah, you can make her spend money, but you're going to be spending it too. And some things she'll be able to request attorney's fees for. So don't let that scare you. Coffee Convo's podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. You chose to hit play on this podcast today. Smart choice. Progressive loves to help people make smart choices, and that's why they offer a tool called AutoQuote Explorer that allows you to compare your progressive car insurance quote with rates from other companies. So you save time on the research and can enjoy savings when you choose the best rate for you.

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with that person in any capacity, like sexually, that person can refile something to say the actual date of separation was from this date, not that date, because we had sex on that date, and then it pushes the case back and keeps pushing it back. Yep. I mean, thank God nobody ever told on me,

but you know what I mean? No, I completely know what you mean. And I would not be afraid to, uh, he's going to have to speak. spend money too he's going to have because the other he's not going to know what like he's just hear out of it is yeah no for sure and it's just it's comical because it's like no amount of chat gpt can help you in front of the judge right because like you can use chat gpt you can ask for help outside but like when you go in front of the judge if you're not fully understanding and comprehending what is being

sent to you you have no argument oh my god i forgot to tell you about the chat gpt thing that i wanted to tell you about. Someone was like, if I was going to get married, I would just use chat GPT for my vowels. And then I would just like make it a little more personalized. What? And I said, that is diabolical. If I married somebody and I was with them for like 30 years and I found out that they used chat GPT for my wedding. I'm following. Okay, but wait, I have a question for you regarding weddings. Whether you want to get married again or not, sort of irrelevant, because this is a hypothetical if you were going to get married again you're in a relationship and you're like wow i've really seen myself marrying this person at our big ages 33 35 are you about

are you about to be 35 no i'm about to be 36 oh it's my birthday month for those girls a birthday month yes it's your birthday month that's why i was like okay so you're about be 36 okay say we are in super healthy committed relationships and we're like okay yeah we want to get married like we'll do this. How long would you want, how long are you willing to go in the relationship phase, just boyfriend and girlfriend before a proposal? And then tell me why. I think I'm not talking about the engagement period. I'm only talking about relationship to engagement, right? Correct. Okay, yes. I've always heard that if they haven't done it by year two, then get out. I've only heard that. I personally wouldn't be staying in it to reach year two for like I'm fucking

grown. Same. If I'm with somebody else that's grown like you either want it or you don't. And if you don't know by if you don't know within the first year, I'm not saying they have to like we have to get engaged within the first year. But if you don't know that that's where we're heading within the first year and you don't have like little spidey senses, take your boxer shorts and go on. Same. So much same. and I'm so glad that we're aligned. And it's not to rush the process because I don't think, one, I don't need a $10,000, $15,000, $20,000 ring. That's number one.

Number two, I don't care how long the engagement is. But if you don't know whether you want to marry me or not in year one, I'm not sticking around for this. And like- I'm also with a place of once reached engagement. Like, I'm not even sure if I care about the marriage part. like i just want to know we're locked in for life yes and this is because you want to be here you love me not because you feel obligated but i was so curious about like the and i know we've talked about it before and people have been upset like by us saying like i'm not personally

this is me only i'm not sticking around for five years six years seven eight years to get a ring and to have a baby and to like it's not happening i don't care about the engaged like once we're engaged cool i know that you did this because you wanted to. But I'm also letting that be known. It is okay if you don't want to marry me. It's okay if I'm not your person. It is okay for us not to continue this. But do not string me along because I'm not doing it. Don't show up here and act like you locked in a forever girlfriend because I can promise you that is not what you did. No, literally. You have one year, one year. It's not about a ring. It's not about a wedding. It's not about for God's sake. I don't even know

if I want a wedding to be, you know, like a party, but not really. It's not about like all of those things that I think that a lot of women and rightfully so, like, want to have those experiences. It's not about that. I've already done this one time. It's just the further commitment outside of boyfriend and girlfriend. I think Kristen and Corey got engaged and it wasn't even a year yet. Like when a man knows, they just know. That is correct. I knew it. How long Kristen, nine months. Were you all together? We got together, like, officially together Christmas Eve of, oh, God. I forget what year. Honestly, it was Christmas Eve. We got together. He asked my mom, May.

Five months. That year to marry me. Let that sink in. No, no, no. And then proposed on Halloween. Let that sink in. In five months, he knew. And by the, by, what, I guess, 10 months, 11 months, he proposed. like he knows you know i think that i'm gonna venture out and say and this doesn't necessarily i don't think that the statement that i'm going to make applies to guys under 30 no okay also let me clarify that too because i'm with you on that i'm talking about in our 30s like we're early mid 30s i'm not talking about 20s anybody that's in that category this is not to you for you if you're that age and listening to this and thinking, you know, a year and then get out like that, I would not take that advice.

It doesn't apply to you. But a man that is 30 or older, if within six months, he doesn't know that it is headed to like a deeper level than just what you're currently at, have the honest conversation and get out. Yeah. I can't say it better myself. 30s. I'm so interested to see what other people think. And I'm honestly surprised that you and I are aligned on that.

Same. I was a little bit nervous about where you were going with it. Kristen said just or just stay having fun until you're over it, but be on the same page. I think so often that's not happening, whether you're in your 20s or your 30s and even older. Like I've seen 40-year-olds go through it is like one of the people in their relationship is not being honest. And so they're essentially faking it until the next best thing comes along. And that's where it's hard. Like you have to be dealing with an emotionally intelligent person to know, okay, this person is done with whatever shit they've done in the past.

They're ready to move on. They're ready to settle down. But like you have to be there. Like one of my friends called me. I haven't seen him in like two years. He called me last night and was asking me about his situation. And I said, I was like, cut it off because it sounds to me like you're not even invested the same way that she. invested and she doesn't deserve this. You need to man up and cut it off. I dated somebody for

over a year one time and somehow it got brought up in a friend group conversation like, when are you guys getting engaged? And he was like, we just started dating. What? A year and a half you all just started dating? No, that's like you know by then. What's your time? Like if we just started dating, then what is a year and a half from now look like? Like, is that, like, medium dating? No, seriously. Like, what? Did you ever get answers to that? No, because I never fucking asked and then we broke out. Like, we just started dating. Like, is that what you're telling girls in Instagram DMs? Or, like, I'm confused because I have a timeline on my Instagram that shows that we've been together for a year and a half. That would be enough for me to be like, you know what? On second

thought. I don't want to be somebody that has to convince you to be with me. Like, I did that one time. I'll never do it again. Yeah, we're not in the game of convincing. You know what? I actually, this episode is like so full circle for me in life right now because I sent somebody a text message literally last night. And I said, I'm not in the game of convincing anybody about anything. So if you want to play games, play with you damn self. Yeah. Play with your pussy, not me. I have a good, bye. I don't know we have foul play. How play.

Hi, Kaly, Lindsay. First things first. I have to shout out my best friend, Marissa. I know that bitch is always listening. Well, we're also shouting out Marissa, so thank you. Now, let's take it back 12 years ago. I was 19 years old with my three best girlfriends, Marissa being one of them. She was only 17 at the time and in her senior year of high school.

Let's call the other girls, Melinda and Jessica. Melinda's grandma would leave every winter leaving her house open for us to stay at so naturally one Sunday night we decide it would be a great idea to stay in and get drunk all was fun in games until Jessica disappeared to the upstairs bathroom Melinda and I went looking for her

and she was crying saying she was going to puke little did we know she was having stomach issues earlier that day we got her all set up to throw up in the toilet but at the exact same time she started puking she shit her pants this is not where I saw this going at all Me either. This might not seem like a big deal for some of you rather. This might not seem like a big deal for some of you regular pant shitters, but Jessica

was wearing shorts. So when she'd shit, it all came out. We just sat there and watched his diarrhea went up and down her legs and all over the white bathroom floor and rugs. I've never sobered up so fast. Melinda and I jumped right into action and through Jessica in the tub. We washed her up. We also cleaned the bathroom.

We needed to wash her clothes and the rugs. but since Melinda's grandma was gone for the winter she didn't have any laundry detergent so we had to wash Jessica's shitty clothes with no soap and yes they still smelled like shit. You may be wondering where Marissa was during all this time well she was passed out and missed everything

and still woke up to go to school the next morning we have kept the shitty secret in our friend group until today so I hope all you kitties enjoyed it. This is your reminder to not drink on an upset stomach. Love you ladies. Okay I am telling you when you shit and puke at the same time it is it is like a what do they call that an exorcism

exorcism no it is i've done it feels it feels like an exorcism that happened to me when i was in mexico when i had that bug christin said same at cracker barrel yikes she said you on the table who the fuck's shitting and throwing up at cracker beer i just i don't i don't I don't understand what type of virus that gets in your body that causes you to do both of those things, but I don't think I've ever drank and, like, had to shit and just puke at the same time. It's, like, only viral that's ever happened to me. Or food poisoning, probably. Yeah, well, like, a food, you know, I know somebody who ate, they split a hot dog, like, down

the middle, and one person got food poisoning and one didn't it. That's actually really interesting. the same weaner i wonder if that happens with SDD he's with the same weiner like one gets it and one doesn't you know what i'm fucking pissed i will tell you what i was throwing up after my after my facial surgery i couldn't poop because of all the meds also they put me on four doses of fentanyl um anyways that's neither here nor there i was throwing up because i was so thirsty because my mouth was open like i would follow sleep with my mouth open from like the pain meds and just like in general And when I was throwing up, I was, couldn't poop.

But it felt like my stitches were going to bust open and my face was going to peel off. Like, that's what it felt like. That sounds absolutely horrible. I do need to know, like, are you off your meds and is the shit back regular? Because I will tell you, I only took two pain medicines when, like, not like, multiple medicines. Or like pain pill two times when I had Jackson. And do you know that it felt like, I don't even know, like. Like shitting glass.

Yeah, like razor blades coming out of your asshole when I shit for the first time after having him. And it was days. It took me two hours to shit a turd like that big. Like, I'm not even kidding. I was taking colase when I got home because I hadn't pooped for a week and it was pretty bad. So Encolius works, but you have to take, I had to take it for like two days for it to work. And now you're good. Now I'm good.

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