Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Talking Holiday Icks & The Idaho Murders

Episode Date: December 22, 2022

CC260: Christmas is here and Lindsie and Kail are ready to talk some holiday icks. Receiving thoughtless gifts? Ick. Eggnog? Major ick! Also on tap, we read some interesting facebook group posts regarding grandparents during Christmas, and having to choose time between your own children and stepchildren. Kail and Lindsie both believe that we don't have to dedicate ONE single day to a holiday or birthday. They explain their situations on having to celebrate on off days. With the new year around the corner, the girls take a moment to reflect on their Word Of Year and wanting to be intentional. Lastly, Lindsie and Kail review the timeline of the Idaho murders. Thank you to our sponsors!Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first monthCare/of: Visit TakeCareOf.com and use code COFFEE50 for 50% off your first orderLomi: Turn your food waste into dirt with the press of a button with Lomi. Use the code COFFEECONVOS to save $50 at lomi.com/COFFEECONVOSUpside: Download the FREE Upside App and use code COFFEECONVOS to get $5 or more cash back on your first purchase of $10 or moreVegamour: Go to Vegamour.com/coffeeconvos and use code COFFEECONVOS to save 20% on your first orderZocdoc: Go to Zocdoc.com/CONVOS and download the Zocdoc app for FREE

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say, thank you? This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship,

family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. This episode of Coffee Convos is brought to you by Lomi by Pila. Visit LOMI.com slash Coffee Convos. Good morning, everyone.

Hello, Lindsey. Why do you sound so calm? I got up this morning, even though I was so fucking tired. I like had a really hard time waking up, but obviously my kids needed me. And then I, once I got them situated, got them to school, whatever.

I came home, I made my bed, I cleaned my bathroom. I like got some stuff done. I went over my plants, got all the dead stuff off, watered them, misted some of them. And I just feel like it changed my mood for the whole day. Even if something went wrong, I would be okay. Okay, first of all, back up. Because I'm having the shittiest morning of mornings.

Before this recording, I had to go and get Pepto. I am convinced that I have some type of gluten intolerance and I'll tell you why. Every single time that I eat bread to any capacity at this point, I puke. Oh. Literally, I will just start throwing up. The only other time I have developed intolerance

is whenever I was pregnant with Jackson and it was intolerance to lactose. How interesting. So when you say gluten and bread, do you get sick when you eat pasta too? So I don't really eat that much pasta. So I haven't noticed it that much. I'm more of like greens, vegetables, meat.

But when I do eat bread, it makes me feel so sick. I ate a sausage biscuit from Chick-fil-A yesterday morning. No one come for me. If you have not tried a sausage biscuit from Chick-fil-A, you absolutely need to. Will claims the best sausage biscuit is from Bojangles. So you all have a Bojangles? No, we don't.

And my girlfriend Caroline swears by that too, but it's kind of like more occasion style and just like not my vibes. So anyway, went and got the biscuit. Immediately kind of started feeling not like sick, but a little bit unwell. I think I ate something else with bread in it yesterday afternoon and then I've just been puking.

So that's been a fun morning for me and you sound like you have it all together. So we have definitely switched roles this morning. Well, I mean, I don't have it all together because I made the mistake of letting Lux's hair kind of go wild for a couple of days. And so he was almost late to school this morning. Basically made it by the skin of his teeth,

but I really pride myself on not making my kids late. But he got in on time. So I don't have it all together, but I want to just maybe suggest taking the food sensitivity from everybody well because I texted you over the weekend and I told you I got my results from the food sensitivity one and I was,

this is not an ad, very surprised by my own results. Like I kind of knew I was lactose intolerant. Like I knew that, so I didn't, I'm not really surprised by that. I do have a sensitivity to cow's milk, also egg whites specifically. That's so weird. So weird, just like the egg whites,

which I thought was good. And I don't remember ever like having, like feeling unwell or like shitting my pants or anything after eating eggs, but like I don't really remember because I kind of like, you don't really eat a whole lot of pasta. I don't really eat a whole lot of eggs.

And then what really surprised me is that I have, I did react to chicken. That is so weird, but do you feel like you ever react to chicken when you eat it? Well, I did get chicken the other day, probably what was probably like last week, the kids are always starving to death

when they get home from, like when I picked them up from school. And so sometimes they'll wanna stop and get food on the way home. And I got chicken, fried chicken from this place. And immediately like, I'm talking within minutes, almost shit myself, but that could have been like the chicken sensitivity,

but it also could have just been the fact that it was like a new place and it was fried. You know what I mean? So I don't know. I get like that with fried chicken too. That's weird. Okay, well, I'll take it and let you know. Outside of that can very much relate to you as a mom

when like you have no choice but to get up because your child like needs you and you're the responsible person. So like you're the only person that's gonna do it. So you have to. There's been so many days that I'm just like, what I would give to just be able to lay in this bed. Yeah, just for one day or half a day

could be a game changer. I wonder if I'm gonna get to do that at all over the next couple of days. Taking the next couple of days off of work and couldn't be more excited, honestly. Well, I hope that you get the rest that you are wanting. I don't plan on resting. Wait, why?

What are you planning on doing? I just, there's so many things that I wanna get done around my house while my kids aren't home. The big kids went to their dads yesterday and then Lux and Creed are going to Christmas on Friday. So, and they're gonna be gone for the entire Christmas break.

So there's just so much that I wanna get done, get organized like while they're gone. I can very much relate to that because I do feel like when you don't have, for me it's just Jackson, but for you like all of your kids, have them tearing up as fast as you're cleaning up. It makes it so much nicer

when you can just like focus on the things and not focus on what they're tearing up that you're gonna have to clean up after you focused on what you're trying to get accomplished. Mm-hmm, it's, yeah, I just want, it's crazy because my house could be spotless and then literally within five to 10 minutes for my kids coming home from school,

just from backpacks and shoes and coats and homework spread out all over the place. It looks like a bomb went off within five to 10 minutes. Okay, I need to know if other moms go through their kids' backpacks every day after school. Oh, I do immediately. As soon as he gets home, I go through it. Well, him, specifically Lux,

I have to check it myself. Isaac and Lincoln, they unpack it for me. Like they'll put it in front of me so that I can see it. Okay, I don't remember my parents ever doing this, like going through my backpack. Like maybe they did, but I don't remember it. I go through there and take out any like rogue papers that are like loose leaf in there,

pencils where we don't really know who they belong to or if he found it like at carpool, clean out his lunchbox because he always packs lunch every day and take out all of the millions of papers that come home from school on a weekly basis. Like I do that every single day and I never remember my parents doing that. First of all, my mom never checked my book bag,

never came to school events, never helped me with homework, never washed my backpack. I don't even know if she bought me a bag. Like nobody checked my stuff. That was me on my own. So yeah, no, but I make sure, I mean, I even get on Isaac's school account, like his online account,

and I check what assignments he's completed if he hasn't handed any in, like I check everything. I love that so much. Jackson hates whenever Will and I get on there. And I'm like, literally you're in third grade. Like what do you think we're gonna find on here? Actually, there's a really funny story. So he took this test.

It was like a unit test, some type of like history test or something like that. And I asked him, I was like, how do you think you did? And he was like really well 50 out of 100 so far. And I was like, huh? You're like, that doesn't, the math's not mathy. That's not really well. I was like, how did you get 50 out of 100?

He was like, whoa. Some of it was on the computer and it's quick grade. So you just get those points. So, so far I got 50 and then she grades the other. And I'm like, I certainly hope whenever I log on to this account that like the total points is not 50 or else I'm gonna be very upset. It's so crazy though, because I feel like

back when we were in school, we didn't have, nobody had access. So it was like, if you don't tell your parents something or you don't bring something physically home for your parents or your caregiver, your guardian, they had no way of knowing unless they called the teacher. Like, I don't even know if they had email, at least not when we were in elementary school.

Oh, like, do you remember back in high school where I don't, I'm probably acting like we invented this, but like it was going on way before us, I'm sure. Where your parents never signed the first thing, you sign it, so everything from that point forward is their signature, but it's like yours. Wait, what? So like, you know, when you're in school

and you get your syllabus is home, and your parents like sign that, send it back to the school like first, whatever, they have a record of your parent's signature, the teacher does, but if you sign it as them, then when you fail a test, then you just sign as them again and no one knows, because it matches, because the math be mathin'.

I don't know about that, because I don't remember my mom signing anything, or me signing anything. Did your school just like not require it? I don't remember, like, I remember a syllabus, like the syllabi, the syllabi. Syllabi. Syllabuses, the syllabi. I remember signing them on my own,

but is that what you're saying? Yeah, but like your parents were supposed to sign them, like. Oh no, my mom never signed a syllabi or a syllabus ever in my high school career. My mom was completely checked out, tapped out, gave up, disowned me, I don't fucking know. My mom did not associate with me in high school. She was not interested.

No, let me tell you, my school sent an automated message to the house phone. So when you got report cards, your parents knew they were coming home. See, we get that now, we have the automated, the school system calls my phone and sends a text message, and it's like an automated pre-recorded, you know, so-and-so schools were sent home

with progress reports or sent home, we sent, or they're now available on home access and they let us know. And so then I know when to check for report card. I mean, I check it almost every day, but yeah. Let me tell you, Jackson gives not one single fuck about a report card, like not one. He couldn't find a fuck.

He couldn't find a fuck. Me, back in the day when I brought home report cards, listen, I was sweating all day knowing like, I was sweating the days before knowing that the report card was about to come out, sweating knowing it was in my backpack, sweating knowing that I was getting close to the house in the car, because my dad was gonna be sitting

in his office, as always, probably already picked up the call from the school, from the automated message, letting him know that it's coming home as if he needed to be reminded. Yeah, just not a fan. And actually, I bamboozled my parents when I was in sixth grade. I had this one friend, her name was Elizabeth.

She had no siblings, so only child. And I played with her all the time. Her parents were older. My parents like really trusted them. Let me go over there all the time. So I made bad grades on my progress report. And so I left all my progress reports in my locker at school and I told Elizabeth, I was like,

I know that you're a Rhodes Scholar and stuff, but you can't show your parents your grades because my parents will start talking to your parents and they'll know that it came home. And then they're gonna wonder where mine is and I'm not ready to face this day. Oh, fuck, so what happened? Oh, I got busted in it.

I straight up got busted in it. Because Elizabeth's parents, obviously she was a smart person and I wasn't. And so they knew when it was coming home. So they knew, so then they talked to my parents about it. And my progress reports were my school locker. Oh no, oh no. My mom didn't ever ask me about my grades.

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I was on another group thread and there was a discussion about someone's parents wanting to stay the night for Christmas to spend Christmas Eve and morning with the kids. This original poster said that she loves her parents, but when they are around, original poster would get shoved to the background. So original poster said no.

Original poster said parents were pissed and she felt terrible. Most people in the thread said that they would love to have that time with grandparents and she should be grateful. So my question, do you want or let grandparents in on all of the Christmas holiday magic? Do you designate time or do you hard pass

and go with just immediate family? We like to change it up annually, but usually we hard pass and just keep it small. Oh my God, that makes me so sad. I went to my grandparents on Christmas Eve growing up. And like I said before on another podcast, just so that it's not confusing. My mom made sure to show up and show out

like she was the best fucking parent on holidays and holidays only. So Thanksgiving and Christmas, my mom was mom of the year. Christmas Eve, no matter where I was at the time would come get me and make sure that I go to my grandparents for Christmas Eve. And we would do that.

That was our tradition growing up until my grandparents got really sick. And I absolutely loved going to my grandparents on Christmas Eve and we would be there until late at night and then go home, do the reindeer food that my cousins would make me. They would every year, they gave me reindeer food to put out for the reindeer.

And then on Christmas morning, we would go to my great-grandmothers and the entire family was there. And it was literally my, probably until I was 13, 14 years old, no person in my family, meaning my uncles, my aunts, my cousins, nothing, nobody missed it.

Like it was required. Like there's no other option. We were at Nana's Christmas Eve, sorry, Christmas Day. And so that makes me really sad that anyone would not include their grandparents. Me too, because growing up, my, so when my parents were still on like a 50, 50 custody split

before my dad moved to Atlanta, we lived in South Carolina and they were sharing 50, 50. We would always go to my biological mom's grandmothers on Christmas Eve and did that for like a long period of my life. But then whenever we moved, Julie's parents also moved to Atlanta as well.

So we kind of started a new tradition where we would do finger foods and her parents would come to our house or we would go to their house. But it was always with them every year on Christmas Eve. And then on Christmas day, my dad's parents came to our house when we were opening presents.

And I couldn't imagine like growing up any differently from that. Right, like it just, it feels weird to like not have extended family involved. And I don't know, it just, I know I don't do anything now, but it kind of feels weird hearing that she says, we like to change it up annually.

Like I think that would bother me. So I was actually talking about this on the Southern Tea yesterday that the older that I have gotten, the less I care about like sticking to like specific traditional stuff. Like if something works better one year and didn't work last year

and might not work the next year, like I'm growing accustomed to being okay with that. But also I do like some traditional things. Like I could not imagine spending my holidays any differently than we did growing up. I don't know, it's just like weird. And even with Will's parents, like we always did Christmas day with them

whenever I was married to him. So it was really hard for me last year, even though I did spend Christmas with my parents, we always spent Christmas day with Will's parents. And I had Jackson last year, but I felt a sense of guilt because I was like, you know, Jackson normally sees them on Christmas day. And even though my life changed,

I did feel a little guilty for him not having that same tradition. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah. But long story short, I think grandparents should always be involved. Yeah, totally.

If you have grandparents around and involved in your lives, in your kids' lives, I say definitely involve them. While we're on holiday, we put together some holiday ics and I want to know which one you are. And if this, these things, it make, what is it like?

Give me the ick. Give you the ick. Yeah, that's it. Okay. Okay, so the first one is receiving a gift that was thoughtless ick. That's an ick. That's definitely an ick.

And I actually, despite not doing Christmas, like the whole thing, the twin cousins, that made me the reindeer food every year. They, we still have always given our kids, like sent gifts for our kids every year. And one of the twins had started sending me, sending my kids' gifts. I sent her kids' gifts.

And then the other twin I texted and I was like, hey, like, is there something that the kids specifically want? Or just gift cards? And she's like, honestly, like let's just skip the gifts this year because I, and I agree. Like, I don't, and she even said like, you don't want just like more stuff.

I was like, I agree. Like if it's going to be thoughtless or junk and you're just doing it just to do it, like no, let's not do it. So yeah, that's an ick. We are going to go back to our original saying of, I don't like getting gifts or receiving them, but I think that's come with age too.

Yeah, it's just uncomfortable. I don't want to do it. And it gives me the ick all around. And like having your own home, I think like changes too. Like once you, I used to love to get like bath and bodywork shit from everybody. If I was like cluttering up my parents' closet at their house,

but like, I don't want to clutter up my shit here. So. I just cleaned out my bathroom and my room to this morning. So yeah, I'm going to agree with you on that. Yeah, like I just, I don't love it. But a thoughtless gift at that point, it's just like, okay, let's just not do the gifts. Or if, if you aren't really into like gift giving

or receiving, I think always a solution to that is to do what, like the white elephant or something and like make it fun in a game. Yeah, or, or gift cards because like for me, if anyone's going to get me a gift card and they want to be practical, like gas station gift cards, Wawa Royal Farm, like Duncan,

like things that I'm going to spend my money, like you know I'm going to spend my money on. I keep hearing you on this Duncan trend over and over and over again. Have I brought you to the good side? Between you and my kids, yeah, I, I do love Duncan. Like I, they're really growing on me, but also with that being said, the Duncan that I've been going to

gets it right more often than the other Duncan that was, that's next to my office building that was never getting it right. Oh really? Yeah, so I think I found the Duncan that is making the drinks correctly. Okay, well that makes, that makes sense. World of a difference, game changer.

I feel like there's nothing worse when you have a taste in your mouth for something specific and then you go to get it, whether this could be like Duncan Starbucks, not enough ice in the cup at Chick-fil-A, changes the whole like dynamic of the drink taste. Yep. And then you get it and you're like,

okay, this is specifically not what I was looking for. Right, it was completely just not it. Okay, when people say I'll see you next year. So corny, ick. I don't think that, like that gives me the ick and here's why, because when I do goodbyes, like I'm not good at goodbyes, weird stuff, funerals, none of the things, so I'm definitely more

of the type of person that feels more comfortable with the Irish goodbye. What is an Irish goodbye? You know, where it's just like you dip out. See, I'm okay with that. I'm perfectly fine with that. I'm also fine with people not speaking to me when I walk into a room, but I, that's,

there are, if you date outside of your race and that's not a thing, you can't do that. What do you mean? Like hobbies, Hispanic, Elijah's black, you can't, in those, in their cultures, that's not a thing, like they'll call you out. Like you, when you walk into a room, you speak and when you leave, you say bye.

Oh no, no, man. Like in, I remember like specifically, Javi and Joe's families, like you walk in, you give everyone a hug and a kiss on the cheek. When you leave, same thing. And then for Elijah's family, it's like you, everyone speaks when they walk in and everyone speaks when they leave, before they leave.

I mean, I'm probably just gonna talk to the people that I'm getting along with that moment. No, you're not, no, you're not. To be honest, like that's what's happening. Like if I'm not getting along with you, okay, I'm the worst about this actually. If I'm going somewhere and I know someone's gonna be there that like, I don't fuck with them, I will still go.

But I am not saying hi or bye or anything. I typically never would say that hi or bye either. I mean, it just wasn't, I just didn't. Like I'm just not bothering you and just don't bother me and it won't be weird if you don't make it weird. Period. Traveling on Christmas, hated it. I did it.

I don't think it necessarily gives me the ick, but it definitely, it rains on my parade for Christmas. You know what I mean? Like that's just like not a fun time on Christmas. I used to be the type of person that was gonna be at home, like nobody bother us. Like we're having a low key morning, like whatever. No, now I've just changed.

This has not given me the ick at all. Please let me travel somewhere. Yeah. Eggnog is a no for me. It doesn't give me the ick, but I don't drink eggnog. I think I had it once when I was a kid at my friend's house, but I don't remember liking it and I don't even know what the fuck is in eggnog.

I'm pretty sure there's like raw eggs in there. That's disgusting. I'm not a fan of eggnog either. I don't really need to go into much more detail about that. It does give me the ick, absolutely. Okay, okay. What about pre-made gift baskets? Depends on where it's pre-made from.

So like if it's a good one. Chocolate. Chocolate. Like a chocolate gift basket. I remember one time we were living at an apartment, 1225 West Street, I'll never forget, was the top floor of the apartment and my mom never had food in that apartment.

Like when I say never had food, like literally would go across the street and get snacks from the corner store and he wouldn't make me pay. I found this Godiva Ferrero Rocher chocolate gift basket that was like pre-made and like, they had the cellophane wrap on it. I do not know who it came from

or why my mom kept it like for years and years and years, but I was so hungry that I opened it and I ate this like years and years old chocolate Ferrero Rocher and it was a chocolate gift basket. It was like pre-made. Okay, I have seen those before now that you say that. I don't know, like I don't think it gives me the ick, but it's also not something that like I love.

I kind of like putting my own thing together because I've never seen a gift basket that I like everything that's in it. Right, right, right, right. Like if you're gonna do a gift basket and make it something that you do on your own because then you know you can tailor it to whoever you are giving it to.

Like I watched these TikToks where they did like a friend's miss and the girl does this every year. She gets all her friends the stockings and then she goes out to like Target Sephora Ulta and she gets them things that they, she knows they love. Like she even tailored the skincare products from like beauty stores to the friends that had like dry skin or oily skin or whatever

and she like literally personalized them but got them, but she stuffed them all with the same stuff, but I thought it was so fucking cute. No, see like I love stuff like that. I feel like pre-made gift baskets, they have a place, like if you're in a pinch, okay, but then that goes back to like the thoughtlessness of gifts. I just, I prefer putting a gift basket together myself.

On the next one, I love unwrapped presents. You love that? Absolutely, I hate wrapping presents so much. Okay, so what about gift bags? Like the gift bag and the tissue paper. Oh, that's fine. Yeah, I'm more, I don't mind unwrapping gifts and like gift bags and tissue paper and stuff.

I don't like wrapping gifts myself and so unwrapped presents don't bother me. I wouldn't say those, that doesn't give me the ick though. I mean, I'm not trying to give someone something that's unwrapped, like it's at least coming in a bag. If I was a better gift wrapper and it was like something that I was really like thriving in and I could do my corners and like do the bow

and all that shit. Oh, I'm gonna do it because I'm gonna flex on you with something like that. But because I can't, I'm not doing it. Okay, that's fair, that's fair. Okay, now we can talk about vitamins and I've never felt better. I also think that contributes to why I feel so good lately.

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but it's like, don't even ask then, don't ask. And then it's also like, am I ungrateful for saying it and then expect like one year, but I wanted a gold or silver name plate necklace. Like I just wanted a necklace. You know those, the gold ones that say your name on them? Oh yeah. When I was like 10, maybe I wanted that so bad.

That's the only thing I wanted for Christmas. I didn't want anything else. And again, we know Susie is not mother of the year ever. Didn't even try and she went to Macy's and she got me a gold heart necklace. And I was just like, and this is me calling myself out. I was so ungrateful and I was like so upset because you asked me what I wanted and I told you

and you couldn't even do what I, you know what I mean? Like you couldn't even, so on like one hand it's like, don't ask if you can't deliver. And on the other hand, it's like, maybe be grateful regardless. I don't know.

Okay, so I do think that it's nice for someone to like want to get you something that they like know that you're gonna want love. So I do think that that's fine. Someone telling you that they won't get it for you. That's totally Todd Chrisley written all over it, but he's also gonna get it. And then he's also gonna get you something else.

Here's the thing. I don't want to judge the situation too much because what if hypothetically you put things on your list that were out of this person's budget? Okay, that's a different, that's that is a different situation. Like maybe start the conversation. Well, it also depends who we're talking about here.

Like if my mom came to me when I was like 10 and was like, Hey, here's my budget. Well, then again, it's like, you can't put your financial issues on a child. Okay, so if it's me and you and I'm like, Hey, Lindsay, here's my budget. You know, is there something that you want within this budget?

Cool. Yeah, I mean, I think that that is fair, but this made me think of, I can't remember what year this was. Might have been last year that we were talking about trying to be mindful of putting together like wish list throughout the year. Was that us that talked about this?

No, I don't think so. I guess it was. Someone told you about this. Like one of your friends or something told you about putting together a list of like your wants throughout the year. I'm certain that it's you. I'll have to go back and listen

to like other holiday episodes. Anyway, I think it's a really good idea to... I think you're talking about, when I said about throughout the year, like if you come across things that you know, so and so will like, and then keeping it in like a bin or something like that for like

that person's birthday or Christmas. Is that what you're talking about? Oh yeah, that is what you said. Okay, well, I'm gonna second that. I think that's a great idea in theory. Like if you're preplanned like that, unfortunately for me this year, I have not been preplanned on anything

and I'm just like throwing the whole year away. Maybe I'll be better next year. I do think it's a good idea to use your notes on your phone. So if you run across something, just like pop it in there. If it's something that you wanted, it could be anything from like $5 to however much, just like a wish list of things.

And then you can give that to someone if they ask. Like I love doing Amazon wish list or like gift ideas when people ask like, what can I get Jackson for Christmas or what can I get him for his birthday or whatever and just like send them the link to the list. Okay, and it has stuff on that list that literally ranges from like every price range.

Okay, you could also have loved ones make like Amazon wish list in the beginning of the year and just like add stuff throughout the year and then for birthdays or whatever holidays and stuff, you can pick stuff from your budget that works from their Amazon wish list. Like I think that is so smart. While we're on the topic of like finances and Christmas

and holidays, I came across this on someone's Facebook. They like reshared it. And then someone said, I cannot stress this enough. Stop telling your Santa age kids that their iPads, iPhones and $200 toys are from Santa. Cause some families can't afford that. Little kids wonder why they got socks or a coat or hand me down toys from Santa

and other kids got an iPad. This is the second year I've had a parent cry to me telling me that their kid asked if they weren't good enough or if Santa didn't like them as much. Breaks my heart for the parents and kids. So take credit for the gift. Santa didn't buy that iPad mama or daddy did. Leave the less expensive gifts from Santa.

Be blessed, you can afford what others cannot. Merry Christmas. What are your thoughts on that? So I kind of touched on it on the Southern T a little bit but not like fully in depth. Will and I saw this several years ago and kind of adopted that because it is so true. And also I have kind of, I have like a love hate with Santa.

We talked about that. Like I don't really give a fuck about him. So I'm already like lying about this fake person existing. And then he's gifting these very expensive items. And then your kid's going to school talking about how they got a PS5 from Santa and some other child got a winter coat. It just rubs the wrong way.

And like why we didn't think of this before now and why it took something that was posted on Facebook for it to register, that's alarming in itself. But we very much do that now. So anything that's coming from Santa is going to be more of like clothing items, socks, new toothbrushes, like that kind of stuff. Right.

Anything else is specifically like Mimi and Papa bought that for you. Baba and Papa bought that for you. Dad got it or I got it. And I also am very like diligent when it comes to going back to school after Christmas because you know that they have like circle time or they sit on the rug and talk about their holiday

and whatever. I always have a conversation with Jackson on the ride to school his first day back. What you share in circle time should not be about the gifts that you got for Christmas. Oh, okay. That's, I mean, that's, I never thought of that. It should be about like maybe who you saw,

what activities you did, did you bake cookies? You know what I mean? Like, okay, I kind of like that. I like that. Yeah, I, I'm very like weird about that. And I never want another child to feel like they got slighted or less than because a financial situation that they're coming from

looks different. I mean, that is life and it happens. But if you can say something to your kids that's so just easy, quick conversation to say, hey, you know, like when you go back to school and you guys are sitting in circle time and you're talking about your Christmas holiday, let's focus on the time that we got to spend with family

and let's not focus the conversation around what we got. Right. I love that. I definitely agree with that. I saw this posted on Facebook and I wanted to talk to you about it because I think that you can very much relate and just wanted to get your take last week.

There were, well, really over the past couple of weeks, there have been some media headlines that have been distorted. Media headlining, this is an example. Lindsay Chrisley says it's best for separate holidays from parents. And that's absolutely not what I said. So this listener posted, I'm sharing this

because this is exactly how the media twist celebs words. I know we all listen to the podcast and that's not what she said. I made sure to comment on the article too, but now I get it. It's crazy how they take two words and make up a whole damn lie to fit their narrative to sell a story.

Lindsay, I'm so sorry you're having to deal with the bullshit. That's literally not what I said. I don't, I know it's like a clickbait thing and I get that, but it's not fair when like people then turn around and actually believe it. You know what I mean? Like it's... Well, because you're seeing that headline

and they may not click. What did you say? I said that for the Thanksgiving holiday, I unfortunately had to make decisions as a mother over a daughter and I was placed in a bad position. My parent sentencing was just a couple of days before Thanksgiving and I felt

that it was in the best interest for us to give them that time to grieve, to process, to be able to focus on each other and not to be overwhelmed with having people in their home. And I talked about how Chloe is definitely the type of child that you can give an iPad or you can tell her to take a coloring book or a puzzle or whatever and go do it.

And she's gonna do it and she's gonna be quiet and you won't hear a peeve out of her. That is not Jackson. He is full throttle from the time that the child wakes up till the time that he goes to bed. And we've all been in situations where we have been stressed and when you're trying to process like what your new normal is going to be

and it was just days ago, I feel like that's a stressful position. Agreed, I definitely agree with you. And who wants to be aggravated with other people being in their home whether I'm their child and he's your grandchild or not. Right, right, right, right. So, for a headline to be saying

that I wanna spend separate holidays or whatever, it's just so off-putting and I'm just like, that's actually not at all what I said or could it be further from the truth? I actually am leaving to go to Nashville on Friday and then I'll be there until the day after Christmas and then come back home. I don't know about you but holidays to me,

the older I've gotten, the more stressed I've become and I think it's just trying to juggle and I do think that being a single mom definitely has an impact on it, trying to juggle all the things and make sure that I've done everything that I'm supposed to do for my child, for work, for house, for the dog, to be able to even properly leave.

I feel like you have to fully take a whole, really a whole day for me to prepare to even be able to leave. Right, yeah, because between getting your house together, your dog, your kids packing, getting to where you need to go, settling in over there, I mean, it's a whole process. It's a whole fricking process. And when you don't have help, it's so hard.

I'm like, at least when I was married, Will and I were probably arguing about loading the car or whatever, but at least he was doing it. Right, right, at least he was getting the shit done. Now it's like, okay, now you have to allot yourself extra time to make sure that you're getting it done yourself. Okay, this is from the Facebook group. It says, what would you guys do?

This always alarms me immediately off the bat when someone asks what we would do, cause like, I don't know if we should be giving advice, but I don't know that we should not be not giving advice. My step kids and my five year old have different spring breaks this year. It's legally our year. We've been planning and saving for a few days.

In Dallas, their mom is also planning to take the other kids on a road trip. Do I pull our five year old to go on vacation? Does my husband forfeit his week? Does he keep the schedule, move his vacation time, and we just go do local stuff and do Dallas in the summer? This is literally a worst nightmare situation for me. Like I'm terrified of ever being in a situation like this.

This sucks because I've also been in this situation with Javi and Joe, with the kids, especially at the beginning. Now I will forfeit my kid, I will forfeit whatever time it is for me to, for my kids. You really, really, really have to look at what is best for the child. And to me, listening to that situation is, I mean, I, maybe I don't know,

is there a situation where the siblings can be together? Well, I think she's saying that they could just go and do local stuff in Dallas. Does that mean that they all would be doing local stuff in Dallas? Cause if that's the case, then I think that is the solution. Agreed. Yeah, agreed.

But if that's not the case, it's so hard when you have blended families and when even like different school districts can be different holiday breaks. And so you could live super close and be in two different schedules. And that does make it so hard. So I don't know what the solution is to this

because I've never ran into it, but I do think that you're correct in the sense of always do what's best for the kids over what's best for you. Right, like just because you want that picture of you guys together at Christmas, unfortunately, if that's not doable this year, then make another time to get that family photo

or maybe celebrate Christmas on a different day so that you can get the photo. You know what I mean? Like I just, cause that used to be such an important thing for me was like, I want all my kids together at the same time I really want a Christmas picture. Okay, well, you don't have to celebrate Christmas on Christmas.

You don't have to celebrate fucking Valentine's Day on Valentine's Day. You know what I mean? Like people have birthday parties on days other than their own birthday. So why are we not doing that for all holidays? Well, make it easier on everybody. Remember how I was talking about last holiday time that you don't have to be dedicated to the day.

Like you can celebrate it on another day outside of that. Yep. So I definitely believe in that as well. I will be celebrating Christmas with Jackson this week, but also after I get him back the day after Christmas. So we're going to do like a little thing at my house early Christmas present, like one. And then he'll do Christmas with his dad, whatever.

And then I will just do like our Christmas morning, the following morning whenever I get him. So I will say also a point to this. If the child's five years old, he or she's only going to be that age for however long. So that in this specific year, I used to be very weird about like pulling Jackson

out of school for anything and wanting him to have perfect attendance because my parents always like preached about how you should, like I used to get awards for like having perfect attendance in school. And... I got that in fourth grade. Oh, you got it one year.

Good for you, Glen Coco. You go Glen Coco. You go Glen Coco. At five years old, if I was in this situation just this specific year, I would be like, you know what? Because I want to do this and everybody can go. I'm going to pull my five year old out of kindergarten

because we can do alphabet and reading and all the things that they were doing inside the class. And I will like create centers wherever we are. And we can do that. Now that would not be my same mindset if we were having this conversation three years ago. Right, right. Because in the beginning it's hard.

Obviously it's just not, it's not the same. So understandably so. I saw this, we had talked about our word of the year. Yes. And so I just wanted to piggyback off of that, both of us, peace. And I think that that is so fitting where both of our lives currently are.

This was a quote, prioritize your peace, practice being calm when you feel like you're being challenged or tested. Overreacting only creates regret. Take a few hours or days for things to clear out. Be emotionally intelligent so that you can be in the right state of mind to make better choices. I need to hang that somewhere

because when I read it, it makes me feel calm. And I know that I have victimized people by not being calm because I haven't taken hours or days to clear things out, which speaks to my emotional intelligence. So. I also wanna add the word present. I want to be present.

I want to make effort and be intentional this year. So peace and present are both my words. And I think it kind of fits into that, but you could also make it your background to your lock screen or your wallpaper on your phone because the more you see it and the more you read it, the more you'll believe it. That's where you come in and say you're manifesting this.

You're manifesting it. That's why Buddha is my lock screen. I'm not my lock screen, my home screen on my phone. I know a lot of people do like family pictures, picture litter pets. Buddha has been my background for probably three years now and it just reminds me like that's where I wanna be. I wanna be calm, cool and collected.

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for someone on your shopping list. We don't have a ton of time left and I know that we had said that we were going to discuss the Idaho murders. I'm gonna let you kind of lead that. I feel very overwhelmed with the amount of information that's out there. I know for us in this coverage,

we're only going to address the official timeline and it's the one that is circulating in mainstream media. We're gonna keep up with the case via TikTok, which we very much have if you guys saw our group chat of all of the TikToks, trying to uncover new clues, all the surveillance footage, the theories. We can give comments on those

because definitely watching those, but I do, and I know that Kale also wants to be very diligent about spreading any type of misinformation because just because it's on TikTok doesn't mean that it's correct. Right, and I know that listeners have definitely written into us and said, sometimes we jump the gun on topics and it's just because we are passionate about this

and we don't always gather the facts completely. So we don't wanna do that, especially with this. It is very sensitive. So I'm just reading the timeline that is circulating on mainstream media that is in the news. So I'm gonna start with, and actually I probably know less than Lindsay and Kristen. So Saturday, November 12th is Gun Calvis Final Instagram post.

She posted a series of cheerful pictures on Instagram with the caption, quote, one lucky girl to be surrounded by these people every day. In one of the photos, is it supposed to be Mogan? Okay, in one of the photos, Mogan sits on one of the girl's shoulders as Chapin and Kerr Nottle stand next to them smiling. That's probably the picture that I think

most people have seen. That's the one that I'm the most familiar with. Same as well. And that, yeah, and that night, the two girls hung out at Corner Club, a downtown bar on Main Street, while Chapin and Kerr Nottle went to a party together in the Sigma Chi, or Sigma Chi, is it Sigma Chi or Sigma Chi?

Sigma Chi. Oh, okay, I'm way off, thank you. Sigma Chi house on Nez Perce Drive on campus, and that's according to police. The very next day, Sunday, November 13th, two victims are spotted at Grubtruck. Mogan and Gon Calvis, I hope I'm saying these right, are captured on a Twitch livestream at 1.41 a.m.

at the Grubtruck in downtown Moscow, where they ordered carbonara and chatted with people. A man wearing a hoodie standing near them became a subject of intense online speculation, but police later said he's actually not a suspect. And then they have pictures of, you know, from the camera, maybe like screen grabs. And it says,

a sorority driving service got them home about 1.56 a.m., according to police and family. Chapin and Kerr Nottle returned home from Sigma Chi at about 1.45 a.m. The two female roommates who survived the attack returned home from their night out around 1 a.m. and didn't wake up until late the next morning. Olivia,

Gon Calvis told Inside Edition that her sister Kaylee called her ex-boyfriend Jack seven times between 2.26 a.m. and 2.44 a.m. police have cleared him as a suspect. So I just want to say, in my own opinion, when I first, first, first heard about all of this, the two surviving roommates, I thought, did it. Oh, that's what we all thought.

Okay, so I'm not alone in that. I'm not going to speak for the listeners who are listening, but I do think that Kristen and I have had conversations about that. You know, obviously when it's a roommate situation and there are survivors, I think from just a logical standpoint, you're going to want to rule those people out.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. To me, they're automatically going to be a suspect until they're not. Were they ever a suspect? Or were they not? Kristen, what did they ever, they just questioned their roommates, right?

Yeah, so the police have not named a single suspect thus far, which is insane because, I mean, you would at least think that there would be something with four people being involved. You would think there would be something. Well, it just, it feels weird going into 2023 with all the technology and the surveillance and everyone has ring doorbells, everyone has cameras,

between the Life360 app, Find My Friends app, Snapchat locations, IP addresses, cell phone towers pinging, between all of those things, technology, you know, they solve the Skyler, what was her last name? Richardson? No.

Well, there was another Skyler who was stabbed to death by two of her best friends in the woods and they solved the case, I want to say almost a year later, because the cell phone towers were pinging and the car was spotted on surveillance cameras, right? So like, it just feels weird going into 2023 and having all of this technology and information and, you know, some witnesses and this, that and the third

and we can't solve it. Like, I just don't understand how, how anyone could have gotten away with this. I mean, the fact that it's been like over a month and there's still not been a suspect, like it's truly mind blowing to me. I have always said since we have been talking about crime that I think it's wild that people are brazen and bold enough

to even do it at this point, even if you have the tendency to want to because of technology. Right. That's what I'm saying. Like, it's just weird to me that anyone would think they could get away with it. Like, you're bold enough to try and then somehow you've beat the system.

I mean, and it just doesn't make sense to me. So the murders, the four victims were stabbed to death with a fixed blade knife between 3 a.m. and 4 a.m. on the second and third floors of the home according to police. The murder weapon has not been recovered. Is this person or people that did this, are they shitting their pants or do they think that they're not going to get caught because it's been a month?

I mean, I almost feel like the longer that time passes, the more they feel like they're not going to get caught. But potentially because of that mindset, it could catch them because it might not be as careful as they originally were. Right. Okay, so a call to 911 was placed from one of the surviving roommates' phones at 11.58 a.m. from inside the residence reporting an unconscious person.

Police said multiple people spoke to the dispatcher. So is this when they first woke up? So the roommate that had survived, they thought that the person passed out. Isn't that right, Kristen? Yes, it says they, that's what they were reporting when they called 911, was an unconscious person. But if they were, so the first thing that comes to my mind

when I'm reading this is if someone was stabbed to death, there's gotta be blood everywhere. There's blood fucking everywhere. So why are we calling 911 to report an unconscious person? Like that just seems off to me. So did it actually happen or we're not sure why they said that? Or maybe it was just worded differently because like you said earlier in the episode,

sometimes things are twisted and said out of context or you know what I mean? Well, for sure. So unconscious feels weird. 2 p.m. that Sunday, the university notified students of the homicide and told them shelter in place. First of all, I just want to tell you that if I was in college and this happened on my campus, I immediately would go home.

It's so weird to me that four fucking people were murdered and two people were still alive inside the home and nobody, this is a campus, whether it's on campus or off campus. I'm sure so many people have been in college areas where, I mean, how did, how does nobody have information? How is nobody coming forward? It says Monday, November 14th, there are conflicting accounts. Mayor Art, I don't want to butcher his last name,

told a news outlet that the slangs were a crime of passion before backtracking in a statement to Fox News Digital saying that it was one of several potential motives being probed by investigators. I do, however, believe that in my personal opinion, when you stab someone to death, that is a crime of passion. Like, you're not going to just, I don't know, that's my opinion.

It says police said that they did not believe there was an ongoing risk to the community based on information gathered during the preliminary investigation, which again, leads me back to believe that this could be a crime of passion. I don't know, though, because in a stabbing, I do believe stabbing for people, that is, in my opinion, crime of passion.

But could it be also that there, there was some type of premeditation that went into this? Like, why would the person just randomly be walking around with a knife and choose these four people? Like, there is something more to this that we do not know. A hundred percent. Like, you're going to tell me that someone just goes into

these kids' home, stabs four of them, not two of them. There wasn't some type of premeditation. They're absolutely, in my opinion, has to be. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Okay, so before we got on this podcast today, I called Kristen and I'm like, hey,

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Moscow residents, students, and victims' families complained about the limited and contradictory information being released by public officials. Unfortunately, I do think that this is probably very common, and I'm not shocked by that, but I do think it comes with the crime. People are going to have different, not only perspectives, but they probably are going to get different information

from different places, depending on who they speak to. I think, unless you're in the community where something like this is going on, your mindset is going to look very different as a member of that community where this has happened than us talking about it on Coffee Convos podcast. When you're talking about public officials, you do hold them to a certain standard

for them to be providing information that is vetted information and not just salacious potential hearsay. So for there to be contradictory information that's being released by public officials, I think I would be pissed also. Right. I'm not saying they don't have a right to be pissed, but I'm also not shocked that they are pissed about it.

Wednesday, November 16th, new details emerge at a press conference. Moscow police chief James Fry revealed to reporters for the first time that there were two female roommates at the home during the horrific attack, and they were unharmed. Fry did not identify the 911 caller or offer an explanation for the call

coming in more than eight hours after this flames. There were no signs of forced entry, he added. Okay, so I do want to touch on this because it says that there's no explanation for the call coming in eight hours, but everyone was out late. This is a college area. That doesn't surprise me that maybe they woke up late.

However, if someone's getting stabbed and I correct me if I'm wrong, Lindsay, there were two people in one bed on one floor and then two people in another bed on the other floor. Yes, I believe that is true. I will say this is- And there's no sign of forced entry? Well, this was at the point on this day

that I was like it has to be the other roommates have to have involvement. That's where I started feeling that way. Because the math isn't mapping. The eight hours thing, I mean, I just recently slept until two o'clock. And nobody woke me up. Nobody came and got me.

And I woke up and was like, why, what the fuck? I would not. I slept so hard until two, almost 2.30 to the point where I would not have heard anything in my own home. So that I feel it can be a little bit explained, especially if there's drinking involved. They went out late, they partied,

and then they're all on different floors. So that maybe, but if you're sleeping next to somebody in bed, one of them is bound to wake up, right? I mean, I don't know. I think college students, because I've been one, just have like weird patterns of behavior anyway.

So like nothing has grown adults at 33. Am I going to be able to make sense of like timing and stuff like that in the way that they do things? I'm probably not going to think any of that as a red flag, because I knew how I was in college. The things that were red flags to me was the no forced entry. That was a red flag.

But also, I don't know about you, but when I was younger, I used to leave my doors unlocked all the time. Oh yeah. Especially in a college house where there's six young adults, like they might not have locked the doors. So I mean, I could go either way. Like I could see why it would be, you know,

pointing the finger at the other roommates, because that's exactly what I did. But also I could see, you know, if they're, you know, maybe it was a cheating situation. I should not make assumptions. Okay. It says he walked back earlier. Oh, hold on. Did I not read?

There was no signs of forced entry. He added he walked back earlier assertions that the crime posed. Oh, sorry. He walked back earlier assertions that the crime pose no ongoing danger in the community. He is quote, he said, quote, we do not have a suspect at this time and that individual is still out there.

He said we cannot say there is no threat to the community. As we have stated, please stay vigilant. He added that the FBI and the idea, the Idaho state police were assisting in the investigation. And then on Thursday, November 17th, the coroner releases on top C autopsy findings. The students cause and manner of death were officially ruled homicide by stabbings in a press release issued by.

Lada or Leda County Coroner, Kathy Mabbitt. And she said the victims were likely ambushed in their sleep with a large knife and had multiple stab wounds. So my thought is that this is probably not one person because you can't stab two people at once. And if they're in the same bed, one of them is going to wake up and try to escape. Some of the victims had defensive wounds

suggesting they awoke during the attack. There were no signs of sexual assault. Friday, November 18th, police share aerial map police released an aerial map plotting the final movements of the four victims from the evening of November 12th to the time of their murders. It's also asked the public to submit tips and surveillance footage.

I mean, I would imagine that going through a ton of surveillance is going to take hours, if not days. Monday, November 21st, police dismiss potential connection between skin dog and murders. An Australian shepherd found skinned and filleted. Is that filleted? I don't know a spot like that. Okay.

An Australian shepherd found skin and filleted three weeks of the murder. And the evidence is that the evidence is not related to the homicide. Detectives also revealed for the first time that gone call this dog, Murphy was inside the home when the students were killed. Wait, can we back up for a second?

Sure. I think this is also very common when the media is running everything on this, just like in a constant, there's so many updates, so much stuff that's been on TickTock, but I think that it's very common when you don't have answers that you try to start linking other stuff that has happened to potentially this when you just don't have answers. So you're just like trying to latch on to anything

to make it make sense. Like grasping at straws, basically. Tuesday, November 22nd, people are asking, did Kaylee have a stalker? Police said in a press release that they pursued hundreds of pieces of information related to the topic and have not been able to identify or verify the identity of a stalker.

Detectives later said they looked into an incident in which a man followed her around a store in mid-October, but called it an isolated incident. Well, I would also call this stabbing of these four students an isolated incident as well. Right, so could it potentially be linked? I don't know. Friday, November 25th, nearby stabbings unrelated

to Moscow quadruple homicide. A 1999 double stabbing in nearby Pullham, Washington, and the 2021 double stabbing in Salem, Oregon, did not appear to be connected to the King Road murders. And Idaho Governor Brad Little also announced that $1 million in state emergency funds would go toward the ongoing investigation. Tuesday, November 29th, vehicles towed from the crime scene.

Five vehicles were towed from the King Road home to a city lot to be stored. They were previously searched and are still part of the crime scene. Wednesday, November 30th, so we're coming up on just under a month ago, hundreds gathered for a vigil at the University of Idaho and the families of the three, and the families of three of the four victims addressed the community in a heart-wrenching statements.

Steve Gancalves, Kaylee's father, revealed for the first time that she and Mogan were sleeping in the same bed when they were stabbed to death. Meanwhile, the lack of a coherent message from public officials sewed further, sewed, is that right? Sewed further confusion. Ladaw County prosecutor Bill Thompson said one of the victims was undoubtedly targeted in an interview.

Okay, so I'm annoying now because... My question is, if one of them were targeted, why did you kill the other three? Was it because, and then that leads me to believe that maybe it wasn't one individual acting alone because it goes back to your statement of, wouldn't the others wake up and have some type of defense against like three people defending themselves

against one person? I mean, I'm not saying that that's what was happening, but the likelihood of three people being able to survive if one has been stabbed and there's only one person there that's doing the stabbing, like wouldn't you think that one of them would have gotten away or like something? Yes, that's what I was...

That's what my thought was because think about it. If you walk into a room where two people are sleeping, say, you know, where Steve said that Kaylee and her roommate were in the same bed, if someone next to me is being stabbed, not only does stabbing take an incredible amount of strength, but I would imagine from the amount of true crime that I watch, it's exhausting.

How did he or she stop the other person from leaving the room? I know. And then, you know what I mean? Like it just feels weird. It doesn't feel like it could have been a one-person job personally, is my thought on it. I mean, watching a lot of true crime stuff, I think that sometimes if it's targeted

and there would be a witness there, they're also going to kill that other person, not because they've targeted them necessarily, but because they were there and they don't want them to tell. So, I get that. But like one person being able to do this to four people? It doesn't feel likely. So, continuing on hours later,

the Moscow Police Department called Thompson's comment a miscommunication and said they had not officially deemed the murders a targeted crime. The next day, police clarified that they continued to believe that the attack was targeted. Police released a list of people they do not believe are involved in the crime, the two surviving roommates, the man in the grub truck, surveillance footage,

the driver who took Mogan and Gon Calvez home, Gon Calvez's ex-boyfriend, and any individual at the King Road home when the 911 call was made and the sixth student who was on the lease had moved out months earlier. See, immediately, I don't know why. I've got to ask Kristin this, her thoughts on this as well. I'm automatically thinking I need to make sure

without a shadow of a doubt that it is not the two roommates, but the other one that moved out. I need to know all the details on why they moved out. Was there any strife there? Was there beef and that's why they moved out? I would need to know every bit of that information because those are the people that I would think of first. I don't know why I agree with you on that.

I also don't know why I feel like this could be a cheating slash lub triangle slash... There's just so many things that it could be that could make sense. I'm still not convinced that the other two roommates, because why go up to the third floor to kill those people but not go to the first floor to kill those two people? I know, makes no sense.

It just is weird. Steve Gon Calvez told Fox News Digital that the family was frustrated over the police's lack of transparency and the progress of the investigation. There seems to be confusion everywhere you look, he said. It's just absurd, the kind of stuff that's going on right now. I definitely understand his frustration, but everyone's human.

There's a lot of room for human error and it's also such a crazy case that I don't understand. You don't want them to mess up and you don't expect them to mess up, but it almost is expected. My thoughts on that specifically is, you aren't the police and as frustrated as you can be with an investigation,

they also can't give you everything that you want when you want it also. Right. The way that they work might look very different than the thought process of a parent. The father of the victim. Yeah, so that's my thoughts on that. Who knows if there's other cases going on at the same time?

Obviously, maybe not to this magnitude, but they also still have to do everyday stuff too. And that's the unfortunate part of it. Well, part of the unfortunate part. They've messed up a million times, he said. Wednesday, December 7th, police asked for information about a vehicle seen near the crime scene. Police asked the public for help tracking down

a white 2011 to 2013 Hyundai Elantra spotted near the crime scene and around the time of the murders. Investigators believe the occupants of this vehicle may have critical information to share regarding this case, which is weird because why haven't they come forward already? That should have been a no-brainer. I would be calling if I drove that to immediately clear my name

in any connection to this. I wonder if the thought process of this person, like them not coming forward, which is sketch also, but would they think they would automatically be considered a suspect if they came forward, even if they were coming forward innocently? Do we not know by now that whether you're innocent or guilty, you need to contact a lawyer first?

Do we not know that? That's not common knowledge across the board for everything. Listen, if I was driving a white Hyundai Elantra and found out that there was four murders that had taken place and I was in the general vicinity and somebody saw my car, absolutely don't care. I'll get a public defender, like do not care. I literally would get an attorney immediately

and want my name cleared. And I have watched enough true crime in police investigation to know that even when you're innocent, you need a lawyer. Mm-hmm. Monday, December 12th, Steve Gahn-Kalves, I hope I'm saying that right for the love of God, describes daughter's injuries, calls police cowards in an exclusive interview with Fox News Digital.

Steve said the victims had big open gouges and called police cowards for not sharing more with the public. His daughter's injuries definitely did not match Mogan's wounds. See, I do think that's important information. That is important information because I think, again, going back to whether it's a crime of passion or not, the person who is a target is probably going to have different wounds than someone that they're just killing as a witness.

His quote, they may have individually died from the exact same thing being stabbed, but there are more details. They're not even close to matching. To me, indicates one thing that... She was the target. It could be the one person that had the worst wounds could have been targeted, or that person could have been the one fighting back

and the other didn't, or if the wounds specifically didn't match and the patterns and stuff looked different, does this mean that there could have been multiple stabbers? Yep, yep, yep. I think there were multiple, what is it, perpetrators? Purps. Purps.

On December 12th, the family, along with their newly hired attorney, Shannon Gray, met with police and other officials in Moscow to share their concerns over missteps in the investigation. December 13th, cops pull hours of footage from the gas station. Detectives collected eight hours of surveillance video from gas station in Moscow, caught the white sedan pass by at 3.45 a.m.

on the morning of the murders. I would also be curious to know if any... Were there a ton of cars out? Were there not? Is this the only one that stuck out? The clerk told Fox News Digital that she had been reviewing the tapes a little bit at a time over the past few days, looking for clues in her downtime.

Police haven't commented on whether the white car is the same Hyundai Elantra that they are seeking. But on December 18th, the video shows two victims with a man before the murders. A Facebook group dedicated to the Idaho murders exclusively shared haunting surveillance footage with Fox News Digital that showed Goncalves and Mogan hours before they were killed.

The best friends were walking in downtown Moscow with a man who looks the same... who looks like the same student in the hoodie seen in the video moments later standing near them, they ordered pasta from the grub truck. The women are discussing someone named Adam, who the Goncalves family lawyer said is a bartender. Authorities are asking anyone

with information about the murders to contact 20883-7180 or tipline at ci.moskow.id.us. So that is the official full-blown timeline that has been released and has not been updated. We need to talk to Kristin to figure out how we can post the links because there are so many TikToks

to post the links of the stuff on TikTok because I felt like it was pretty simple to follow on there from TikTok, but also there's so much information on there that you don't know if it is accurate or if it's not accurate, which is why I like the timeline like this. Right, because this is from an official news source.

So yeah, and I know that TikTok is also full of conspiracy sometimes. Agreed. Well, I hope that you guys have enjoyed this episode. If we missed anything and you want to let us know about it, then always put it in the official Facebook page, the Kitty Gang Telegram app, or you can also send us a message on Instagram.

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