Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - The Emotion Is Okay, The Reaction Is Not

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

CC400: To the surprise of no one, Lindsie reads that oatmeal is the healthiest breakfast food for you.. But Kail will not be participating in that. What Kail IS interested in participating in is babysitting swaps with BFFs or family members after reading about another mom's experience with this hack. A listener shares a situation that many may relate to when it comes to friendship dynamics changing during pregnancies and after birth. Kail explains how she also experienced a sense of loneliness throughout her pregnancies and how they differed. Lindsie talks about her struggle when she first let Jackson see her cry and lose her cool. Today's Foul Play is giving foul but in a good way! Thank you to our sponsor! Boll & Branch: Visit bollandbranch.com and get 15% off your first set of sheets when you use code COFFEECONVOS Calm: Visit Calm.com/CONVOS for 40% off a Calm Premium subscription. IQBar: Get 20% off every IQBar product plus free shipping when you text CONVOS to 64-000. By Texting 64000, you agree to receive recurring automated marketing messages from IQBAR. Message and data rates may apply. No purchase required. Terms apply, available at IQBAR.com. Reply "STOP" to stop, "HELP" for help RoBody: Find out if you’re covered at Ro.Co/COFFEECONVOS. Go to Ro.Co/Safety for boxed warning and full safety information.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kailin Lindsay. Good morning, Kitty Cat. Good morning, Kitty. Welcome to Coffee Convo's podcast. How are you? Hanging in there. How are you? I'm good. I just talked to Kristin and she told me that you guys had like a whole spread for Super Bowl. And she said that we need to announce how the Buffalo Chicken Dip is made. There are various alternatives for Buffalo Chicken Dip and there's one thing that like I am adamant

that has to be used. So I want to know what recipe you all used. We use the one with the powdered ranch dressing. Oh, like the Hidden Valley? Hidden Valley Ranch Packet, not Hidden Valley Liquid Ranch. So then what do you use for your liquid? You don't have one. There's no liquid. The only thing that goes in it is chicken, cream cheese.

Well, technically, I guess the hot sauce is liquid. But buffalo chicken, well, you do regular chicken, cream cheese, the powdered ranch and hot sauce. Well, I like buffalo. Some people do hot sauce. Well, I like buffalo. Some people do hot sauce in it. I like buffalo. It's buffalo chicken dip. To me, this is my preferred way. I will not eat buffalo chicken dip if it's made with liquid ranch. I think it's disgusting. Pro tip, make sure you use Hidden Valley seasoning packet, not the dip packet mix because it will fuck you up.

They are actually the dip packet and the seasoning packet has a different consistency to it. And I prefer the dip packet and anything that would call for, I mean, the seasoning packet for anything that would call for the dip packet. Agreed. I agree with that. And I've also used the seasoning packet for like actual recipes with food. I just don't for the dip packet. Agreed. I agree with that. And I've also used the seasoning packet for like actual recipes with food. I just don't like the dip packet.

It's not the same. It's not the same. Also, I'm not a fan of canned chicken. I don't know what it is, but I will only use a rotisserie chicken and buffalo chicken dip. I'll eat any because I just will, but I do, if you're looking for something quick and cheap, I'll eat any because I just will.

If you're looking for something quick and cheap, I would say the canned, but I do like a good rotisserie chicken in my buffalo chicken dip. It just smells like the can of chicken, whatever it is. When you open it, it smells like somebody took a diarrhea in your kitchen. It smells like tuna. No, it smells like shit. I know, because we opened the windows. I came out of my room and I said, what is that smell?

I said, open the windows right now. It's so cold in my house that my lips are purple. I don't know who advised me that I needed to turn the air all the way down to 62. Is that normal? 60, I don't even think a lot of air conditioner units will go to 62. What do you mean? Like a lot of them say like, don't put them below 65. Oh shit. I probably need to do that before we get our next freeze. Can that like fuck

up my system? Yes. Why didn't no one tell me this? I don't know. And ours, ours are not, um, I don't have the air on right now because we're about to get snow and Isaac just got, Isaac's school just called for an early dismissal. So God bless. Um, speaking of eating, I saw this article on AOL. First of all, do you look at AOL news? I haven't in a long time. Oh my God. I love AOL news. I feel like I find out everything about the world on AOL and have been since AOL came out like since I had sweet P monkey at AOL calm. Sweet P monkey. That was my like first a I am an email address. It was like

sweet P monkey 89 or something. Did someone call you Sweet Pea or Monkey and that's where it came from? I have no idea where it came from. Do you remember like back in the day when you were trying to come up with like a username and it would give you like suggestions and you put in things that like you liked? Yes.

And like I was obsessed with monkeys back in the day. I thought I was gonna have one as a pet, like wanted one that wore overalls, all the things. So it's like, what could go with monkey, sweet pea? Like that's great. Sweet pea, I love that. Well, I think we bring back sweet pea monkey 89. We should, but I saw this article and it says,

eating this breakfast food could help you live longer, studies suggest. So my first question to you is, do you eat breakfast? I typically don't eat breakfast. If I do, I do like an adult lunchable type deal with like crackers, cheese, and a little salami moment, but I typically do not eat breakfast. I'm not a breakfast food girly. I love breakfast food, just not at breakfast.

Okay. I guess I could see that like a bacon, egg and cheese or something like that. Or you know, like if we're talking waffle house, like the all star special that gives you like a little dabble of everything, but like at dinner or if you've been out like late night, that's when you get it. But not at breakfast time. I do not want to eat eggs, toast, like anything like that at breakfast. Agreed. And I also, as far as breakfast foods go, I love a good IHOP pancake. I don't know why, but no other pancakes have compared to the spongy buttermilk pancakes at IHOP.

Wait, are you pancake or waffle? Specifically, neither. But if I'm going to eat a pancake, it's gonna be IHOP pancakes and I'm gonna do it where you put the butter on the pancakes at IHOP and then use the strawberry syrup. Oh, see I couldn't get behind that. That's where we're gonna get in a fight already starting on this episode. So it is a waffle. It is not a pancake. Don't care what anybody says. Do not come for me. The whole point of a waffle is so that you have little pockets for like every bite that you get has the stuff on it. But who has the best waffles? Waffle house. Are they spongy? They're well,

you can get them cooked like to your preference. So some people like a darker waffle and some people like it cooked light. I always get a light waffle. So it's like very pancake looking, but like with holes. Okay. So I can get behind that. If it's like more of like a, I think the only way to describe it is like a spongy type of material. I could get behind it. If it's like a sponge, I don't like a crispy waffle unless it's and even a go I do love a go waffles like just the classic ones that you put in your freezer But are you putting those in your toaster? Yes, do they not get crispy or you don't leave them in there long enough for them, too

I don't mind if the edges get crispy, but I don't want the middle to get dried out and crispy I don't care what anybody says about this either. Ego has a distinct taste. No, a hundred percent. A hundred percent does. It's got to be some like additive that's probably going to be banned soon. Um, most likely in today's climate of the United States of America, I don't think any type of food that will kill us will get banned. Okay, so this article says eating breakfast regularly has been shown to help reduce the risk of developing type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and obesity. There is also evidence that eating healthy breakfasts that helps with brain function, especially memory and focus, and now new research revealed that oatmeal

can promote longevity. But these are things we already knew, right? I mean, I feel like I just knew from possibly like Instagram for people who like eat well, that that's how you should eat oatmeal. Like, I don't think that I knew that. I feel like this has been like an ongoing thing is like breakfast is the most important meal of the day for various reasons, but I'm

still not eating it because I don't have the stomach for it in the morning. I also don't have the time for it in the morning. Okay. Well, I'm going to tell you, I grew up eating oatmeal for breakfast, but I don't think that the type of oatmeal that I was eating is going to help with possible type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular issues or anything because my nanny made this oatmeal and she put sweet milk in it, sugar and like a mound of butter. Oh, that actually sounds really good. So I'm wondering if this is just like a plain oatmeal and not like with added sugars.

Yeah, no, I think it's like a plain oatmeal, like overnight oats probably. I also wonder when they say breakfast, do they mean like anybody's first meal of the day or does it mean like a meal between like six and 10 a.m.? Do you know what I mean? Like, do you get what I'm saying? Well, this says what I'm saying? I'm assuming that this has got to be first thing in the morning if I'm guessing, but it says, other studies about health effects of oatmeal show that it can lead to lower cholesterol levels and improvement in blood sugar levels, which may also decrease the

chance of heart disease and diabetes. Oatmeal is easy to prepare, inexpensive, and customizable to personal taste. People can add such ingredients such as fruit, nuts, seeds, nut butters, and spices." So they're not talking about sweet cream, sugar, cinnamon? No, they're talking about what the farm animals are eating. Correct. I just want to know who all is listening to this podcast that eats breakfast and what are we eating, which leads me to my next question. What do you feed your kids in the morning before school? A muffin.

Muffin, banana. Rio and Creed both had a banana. I think Creed also had the little mini muffins. Little bites? Okay. So Jackson absolutely loves little bites and he loves anything that has some type of like sweeter flavor for breakfast versus savory. It is one of my biggest co-parenting arguments actually. Why? Because Jackson will come to my house if he's here.

Like for example, he was just here on like a 10 day stretch. He was with Will two days and then he was back with me for five because of like work travel stuff. So every day I cater to like you can have a little something that has a little bit of sweet but you're going to have a fruit and you're going to have a yogurt with that plus a glass of milk. Okay. Will is very much like an eggs, bacon, toast type situation at his house.

And so it's their biggest argument whenever he goes back over there, because he's like, you don't feed me the same breakfast as mom. And what, Will won't like do what Jackson like prefers for breakfast? No, he's like, you're not eating little bites for breakfast, which we don't eat little bites every day for breakfast. It might be

like, I don't know, like at the grocery store, like in their baked section, like baked goods or whatever you can get on frosted donuts or something. So like a just like a very plain donut, he'll eat that with like a piece of fruit and a yogurt. And it's like I try to find happy mediums. So there's like good things on the plate, but also something that caters to what he wants on the plate. Yeah.

Will's like, fuck that noise. I'm not doing that. You're eating eggs over here. If my kids could eat eggs and bacon every single morning, that's what they would eat. That's what they would want is eggs and bacon. We just don't have the time for it because we have to be in and out and then there's lots going on. Indeed. Doing bacon in the air fryer and then heating it in the microwave in the morning. Does it stay relatively crispy? Because my kids like their bacon not soggy because I

also don't like my bacon soggy, but I don't want it crispy to the point that it's like crunching. I like it like a happy medium. If it will stay like that, that's something that I could try. But if it's going to be like weird, try it. Okay. You have to send me what to do again, like in writing. So I remember. Yeah, try it and you might like it. You like squishy bacon. Not all the way squishy. Just like a little bit like a little bit of give. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean I am very much if I'm going to eat a strip of bacon which is very rare but if I am then it's gonna be very crunchy and very done. Christian said chewy but

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See site for details. Speaking of children, let's talk about this article on scarymommy.com. It's a trading babysitting hack. Okay. This mom has found the absolute best way to trade babysitting with your friends. And here's the thing. I don't know how I feel about this, but a while back my best mom friend and I had a genius idea. I had two kids, she had two kids and we both had husbands we wanted to hang out with from time to time. But because babysitting is expensive and we didn't want to impose our, on our parents and in-laws too often we considered swap date nights. This is something I could get behind.

If we're just talking about a free for all with random friends, I would say, no, I'm not doing it. But I kind of like this. If this really is like your best friend, I don't see anything wrong with it. Like if you were like, oh, I want to go out with my boyfriend and wills on a travel trip, I'd take Jackson in a heartbeat. Yeah, for sure. Something like that.

But I could see where a situation like this could be used and abused if both parties aren't on the same playing field, right? So should this be a situation where like at the beginning of the year, if y'all have committed to this, it's like in January, you give each other certificates that you can redeem. And like once all your certificates are redeemed,

then like that's it. I can get behind that. Right, because what if, because then you also have to consider, you know, you're working off of a system, who gets to who first? Well, like, if we're going off of a monthly date night sort of situation, right, because not everyone's lives are the same. And you did like parents one month, laws one month and then your girlfriends you guys

swap kids one month. I mean that's like quarterly with everybody. It's not abusing anybody's kindness. It's not you know what I mean? I feel like it's pretty fair. And then you know, and I got you, you got me kind of situation. I could see though where this could go sideways if the rules and parameters weren't set up front.

So this one says, instead of disrupting my friend's daughter's sleep schedule, her husband stayed at home with their baby. My friend came over to my house after I had put my toddler to bed. She was simply there, not even really to babysit, just truly to sit there. And if there was an emergency. So that's kind of nice too. Like I could, my twins go to bed at 6.30 and Rio is between 7.30 and eight. If I put them to bed and then Twizz and Cam, one of them

came over to like sit with the kids, truly just sit in the house while we go have dinner or something, like a late dinner, I feel like that's reasonable too. Because they're not really doing anything. It's like everyone's in bed. I feel like that's super reasonable. Used to when I first started using a babysitter for Jackson, it would be like all of the life obligations that were required for him were

already done and complete. And it was kind of more of a, I need you here for safety purposes in the event something goes wrong, but I don't need you really like bath or shower times already done. He's already been fed like all of those things. I'm totally okay with that. What I'm not okay with is like me going out on the town on a night that I would have Jackson and all of those obligations as a parent not being met, leaving them up to somebody else. Because while I'm gone, I'm thinking about, my mind is where it should not be, which means I should not be there.

I also think it's, and obviously there's a gray area here. We're not just like, it's not black and white, but for my kids specifically, they're gonna feel better if I do all of that stuff before I go out and they're in bed. Do you know what I mean? And then there's not that also that, you know, being upset because I don't know about Jackson when he was younger, maybe even now Rio and Creed, they'll get really upset

if I leave, if I try to leave, you know what I mean? So that's not something that I want to put myself through or them through. So I'd rather just wait until I get them to sleep and then it's easier for everybody. And also not that we've ever used camera and twizz to like help us, but if we needed to, it's probably, they're more likely to do it if they don't have anything to do when they get over here. It's just like they come over and sit just for an emergency. Well, and I feel like also in that situation, it's like they could order food in and like chill and hang out and have their own date night sitting there while your kids are sleeping while y'all are out grabbing dinner somewhere. So that is medium.

I do. I do think I could like, I can see this working for some people, but also, I mean, like, I'm not going to ask like you to come, like if you lived close to me, I have seven kids versus your one. Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm not gonna sit here and be like, hey, you wanna swap date nights? It's not the same.

That's actually a good point too. Never really thought of the amount of children. First of all, part of the reason, because people ask me all the time, how do you do it? You have seven kids. One of my girlfriends messaged me yesterday and said, people are asking me how you have seven kids. And I have never asked

someone to watch all seven of my kids. And in fact, I don't think I've ever really asked anyone to watch four of my kids. So even before Rio and the twins game, I wasn't asking somebody to watch four of my kids. It was like, I got Isaac and Lincoln. I just need someone for either Lux and Creed or just Creed. Um, because he was the youngest and couldn't do X, Y, and Z. Now, even with the three littles, I, like, I take Creed pretty much everywhere with us, but like even with the three littles, like how do you ask someone to watch three babies in diapers? You can't. So I have to give Elijah's mom, like I'll be like, Hey, um, can you ask your mom if she'll watch the kids March 14th

for my birthday, for example? I asked that back in January. That's a lot of notice. Also, having someone come here to watch them because all the supplies are here and because they go to bed at 630, it does not make sense for someone to watch them at their house because they go to bed so early and there's no supplies over there for three babies in diapers. So what's so crazy that you said that because it was one of mine and my parents' biggest arguments with Jackson. It's like if Will and I wanted to do something, and this is when they still lived in Atlanta, so Jackson was really little. If we wanted to do something, my dad would just be like, yeah, just bring Jackson over here.

No. No, sir. Like I need you to come over here because now I've got to pack up all this shit. I need a U-Haul to get this stuff over there. And it's just easier for you to come here. Plus I can like already have him bathed, like all the things done.

And you don't have to worry about that part. The stress of like doing something as a mom with little kids, I got to the point where I just didn't want to do anything. That's where I am. I can't speak for Elijah, but that's how I am because at first he was ... I can't remember what the occasion was, but we went to go to dinner and wanted to drop the babies off with his mom at 6 PM p.m. and to me that just doesn't make any sense because they go to bed at 630 and 730. So it doesn't make sense then if we're at dinner. So the dinner was like an hour away by the time we get done with dinner

and then drive back. It's way beyond their bedtime. And then now we're going into his parents house late at night. We're waking them up. We're disrupting their routine, bringing them home, putting them back. And if they fall asleep in the car and, we're waking them up, we're disrupting their routine, bringing them home, putting them back in, if they fall asleep in the car, and then we're waking them up again, and taking them into the house and putting them into their crib. It's just so much that we're at the point where I literally just say, we will make time for each other when we make time. We will figure it out, but it's not right now, clearly. Also, this is a really good, and I think back on my life, it feels like so many moons ago, but right after we had Jackson and Will's parents got in a really good habit of at Christmas

time every year, they would give us certificates. And it would be like for a date night out or a sleepover with grandparents and like the sleepover with grandparents was at their house. But if it was like a date night out, it would be them coming to us. And it was so nice because we had those certificates at the beginning of the year. So whenever we wanted to use them, we just had to give them notice. And it's like, I'm redeeming my certificate. I actually love that. I think that there are so many people have done them, but never actually use them. But that, I mean, I think it's such a cute idea if you're actually going to use

them. Oh, I'm a big, okay. So are you a certificate giver? Like Will's parents taught me how to do this where it's like, you don't know exactly what somebody wants, but it's like, okay, I'm going to give you a certificate to redeem like whatever it is that you want. Like not a gift card? No, like for example, like let's use babysitting for an example. Okay.

I'm going to give you a gift certificate for a date night out. You don't have to give me the date like right now for what it is, but I know it's like a usable thing that that person would use. I'm all for stuff like that because I think it's practical. It's practical and it's thoughtful. I love it. I'm all for stuff like that because I think it's practical. It's practical and it's thoughtful. I love it. I'm not against gift cards. I think at one point in my life, I was like, they're just so, they're not personal. It didn't require any thought. But now the older I get and Kristin and I are big on gift cards is like, I want the practical stuff.

If I don't have to pay for my nails or if I don't have to pay for my gas or if I don't have to pay for my ghost energy drinks, like stuff like that, or like, I don't have to pay for my nails or if I don't have to pay for my gas or if I don't have to pay for my ghost energy drinks, stuff like that. I don't care. Give me 50 bucks to Walmart so I can get groceries. That's going to go a much longer way than buying me something that I'm not going to use. Doesn't it feel so much more special when you got a gift card for that and it's not your money being used?

It's like girl math, right? No, literally. It's literal girl math. I love it. I love every minute of it. Um, okay, so I needed to get your opinion on this. I saw it on People magazine. It says Jury acquits a Florida teen of killing his mom after he claims self defense. A year earlier, he killed his dad in self-defense. Absolutely not.

Absolutely not. So I'm going to give you the scenario. It says a Florida teen who authorities say killed his father in self-defense in 2023 has been found not guilty of murdering his mother after again claiming self-defense. He was 17 years old. He was charged with murder of his mother who was fatally stabbed in the neck in the grandmother's home. That was in 2024. So it says in the affidavit, police claimed that he called 911 saying that he and his mother had gotten into a fight and she had fallen on a

knife. But after medical examiner ruled that her injuries could not have been caused by falling on a knife. He was charged with murder and kidnapping. During his trial, Collin's attorney argued that he had acted in self-defense during the incident and that there was no evidence that she was in the home of her mother. Okay. Falling on a knife is the craziest thing I've ever heard. And at the point that you were even a suspect in your father's murder, unless he's, no, I'm not buying it. And at the end of the day, I understand that accidents happen and grave mistakes even can happen. And you can be sorry at the end of the day, like certain things still have consequences. Right? Like,

so if you killed someone in self-defense, I'm not a firm believer that you should not go to prison because at the end of the day, a life was lost. Right? Like you still need to suffer the consequences of that mistake. This is something that is like unheard of. You killed both of your parents. You knew that you were getting away with it. That's what happened. But what's so crazy is you can be charged with murder in a previous year and then you're acquitted of said charges. And then the following year, situation might be a little bit different, but the circumstances are relatively the same. Right?

He knew he was getting away with it. But this is why I hate the legal system because why could that not be used in that case to say, okay, well, he did this to his father a year earlier. Who falls on a knife? I'm like rereading it because I'm sort of in disbelief. Isn't it crazy? I just don't understand how this has like, now you have somebody who killed not I mean, you have to have some sort of like trauma from killing your first parent and then you're

going to kill your second parent. And now you're going to walk the streets. I think it's absolutely insane. She fell on a knife. How do you fall on a knife? But also, like why I hate technicality in cases. It's like, why do we need to use technicality to get out of something that you did? Okay. So if we're going to use technicalities, then we should probably have sent Casey Anthony to jail. So because technically there was a dead body in her trunk. Technically, there was. Fucking Casey Anthony, I swear to God. Okay, I don't know what she's up to these days. I literally cannot. Okay, I know it's not just me from

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to Calm's entire library at calm.com slash convos. There's one listener topic that I want to make sure that we get to during this time. What is it? So this person says some background. My best friend and I have been best friends for almost 14 years. We're now in our mid 20s. She started dating her current boyfriend in 2019 and I started dating

my now husband in 2020. My husband, boyfriend at the time, and I moved out shortly after we met in 2020. Her and her boyfriend just recently moved out fall of 2024. I got pregnant in 2022, had my first in 2023. She got pregnant in the fall of 2024 and is due this summer with their first. It's worth mentioning that she was made of honor and is my daughter's godmother. Okay, wait, let me stop you right here. I started dating her and her husband just recently moved out. Does that mean they live together? I'm going to assume that they all lived in a same living situation. Okay. She says, needless to say, when I got pregnant, it was easy for both of us to hang out. Once

I had my baby, it became difficult and to this day, we really only see each other once every two months. My husband works two jobs, so I'm a solo parent for six days out of the week. When he's home, we prioritize spending time as a family and a couple on the days where I'm free to hang out. My best friend always seems to have prior obligations. So since we don't see each other much, we usually send a few 8 to 10 minute long audio message throughout the week. I'm going to stop you right there. If anybody sends me an 8 to 10 minute long audio message, I'm not listening.

Yeah, I like them for like a little quick thing, like a minute. I would say 90 seconds tops. Tops. So they are sending eight to 10 minute long audio message throughout the week updating each other. She said recently that it stopped and I was kind of confused why I sent her a text and asked if there was something going on and she replied with, it's a big time for me, but I don't expect you to be there in the same way as maybe you could have been years ago. And our lives look different. Even though she said she doesn't expect me to be there in the same way as maybe you could have been years ago and our lives look different. Even though she said she doesn't expect me to be there

in ways I could have before, I feel like she is expecting it. I replied apologizing, explaining to her that my priority is always going to be the family that I made. I told her that I wanna be there for her, but when I ask her how she's doing, she always gives me one word answers.

I can't force her to talk to me. I feel like she is icing me out. What should I do? Am I wrong? Honest answers only. And I feel like this is a very common thing that happened with friendships. This is definitely something that happens with friendships. I also think that she is icing you out and I'm not necessarily sure why because she'll understand prioritizing her family once her little one is born. I just don't understand icing you out necessarily, especially because you have a child. So she'll

need you for guidance, for comfort, for a lot of things. I don't understand. I don't know why she's icing you out. It's kind of like, I can understand you as a mother because we're both mothering, but I don't understand the struggles of multiple children. Right. But I don't ice you out because of it and you don't ice me out because of it. I think communication goes a long way. A couple of weeks ago, Lindsey and I, you know, I felt around Christmas time, Lindsey

and I kind of went through a weird thing where I thought she was icing me out. She probably thought I was icing her out and we just talked about it. And then we were able to like move forward and get back to normal. But I'm wondering what, what the underlying feelings are from this friend, because I don't think either of them are wrong, but she's not explaining how she feels and why she's icing her friend out. I think that's going to answer a lot of this and can help both of them move forward, whether it be together as friends or taking a step back from the friendship. But I think even outside of friendship, people have to understand that priorities change when

circumstances do. Right? So your priorities are not the same now with seven children than your priorities were when you just had Isaac. Like it's all different based on the circumstances of your current life. Like you might move into a phase after your babies are all in school where things look very different, but the priorities that you're prioritizing right now, that's okay. I sort of still understand.

I would be just as upset or confused as this person, right? I would just want answers. I also think that people can't understand. It's like easy to talk about something that you can't understand because you haven't done it, right? So this one friend that has the baby and is married already, her friend, although she is pregnant, can't understand

what it's like having a baby at home and a husband. Because she also doesn't maybe understand that husband works out of the house for six days a week, which is essentially like being a single mom, but also in her friend's pregnancy and this big moment for her. The other friend is essentially solo parenting six days a week, which is really lonely too. And I don't care what anyone says. I don't care how much your partner is there for you during your pregnancy. It is so lonely if

you're not having someone like either go through it with you or just be there for you. I mean, even if you have someone there, it's so lonely. That's why I think friend groups, like have you ever watched certain people and you know that they're a part of a certain friend group and it's like, they're all pregnant at the same time. It's like that obviously was premeditated. I wish I had that. I mean, I didn't have that. I was the first friend to get married and the first friend to have a baby. And so I did feel very alone. And ultimately those friendships do change because the circumstances around those friendships

are different now, right? It's like your priorities are in a completely different place where Will and I got married. I was still a senior in college when we got married and finished my summer semester being pregnant. Obviously I'm not going out to the bars and the clubs and to the sorority parties and sports like I'm not doing any of that anymore. So things do change and ultimately you have to be okay with friendships changing because your life has changed. I would agree with you. I was first friend to get pregnant, moved, first friend to get married, moved again,

first friend to get divorced, onto the net. It was isolate, a lot of it was isolating. Pregnancy for me wasn't lonely, although I was the only person pregnant. My granddaddy had just passed away and Will and I were building our house. So I moved into my nanny's house with her. Will and I moved in with her.

And so I had her every day of my pregnancy. So I didn't feel alone. Can you describe to me like what the alone feeling you felt when you were pregnant? Was it because nobody else was going through it so that people couldn't understand you? Well, what's weird is that I wasn't alone in the sense that nobody talked to me. I think I got a lot of attention for being pregnant in high school. Also, I was the new girl at my high school, so I was the only pregnant girl at my high school, and I was the new girl. Joe didn't go to my school, so I was getting a lot of attention,

but it wasn't the attention that I so desperately needed and wanted. I wanted my mom for comfort. I wanted to know everything was going to be okay, but isolating in the way that like, where do I go from here kind of thing? What am I supposed to do? Trying to figure out all of these changes are happening. And I didn't fully understand that my life was going to change in the sense that I couldn't pick up and go whenever I wanted. I couldn't go hang out with my friends whenever I wanted, which is what I was doing before I got pregnant, which is how I ended up pregnant in the first place. And then I think so much had changed after I had Isaac that when I got pregnant a second

time, even though that baby was planned and tried for, meaning Lincoln, we were still so young. I mean, we got pregnant, I think I was 19 or 20 with Lincoln. But do you feel like you had a healthier pregnancy with Lincoln being married with Javi? Yes and no. I think some aspects of it were healthier. But in other ways, it was still just as isolating because now we were married and in a new state and trying to make new friends and like trying to figure that out. And so nobody else was pregnant with me. I did find a lot of comfort in this breastfeeding support group that I went to

when I moved here and I had Lincoln. That was really helpful, but I don't know. And then especially with Lux too, like I was in college and like while everyone is like going to like homecoming and like doing all the college things and like bringing, it was a dry campus, but like bringing alcohol and like doing all of that. I didn't have that same experience because part of the time I was married and then the other part I was in a really toxic relationship and pregnant. So I don't think any of my pregnancies were normal. And so in a lot of ways, they were always lonely. If you had to say out of the seven pregnancies that you had the most normal pregnancy, what

would it be? The twins. Do you feel like because you were on TV for so long and it was something that you were able to kind of keep under wraps for a period of time that that helped though? Yeah, maybe. Maybe that, maybe so. And probably the public pressure and influence on your life? Yeah.

Or was it truly just because you were in such a healthier situation as far as a partner? Probably both because I mean, Creed, I was still in a toxic situation and then COVID hit. And so that was kind of lonely and just like weird. I also had moved to try to be in between both, you know, all the dads. And then Rio, I was just so severely depressed that I like, there was no coming out of that. Actually, Lincoln and I just talked about that the other day where he was like, Mom, do you remember when you would get up in the morning? And then a couple of minutes later you would say, okay, I'm going to go take a nap. Like he remembers my depression. How does that mean? I'm glad we can talk about it. Obviously it's not something

that I'm proud of. And it's not something that I like wanted to traumatize my kids with, but it was definitely eye opening because I didn't know how much of it at the time, I didn't know how much of it they understood. But now, you know, Rio's too. And I really think that for whatever reason, my hormones sort of started to balance out when I got pregnant with the twins because I was tired and stuff, but I wasn't, it wasn't like that. And I had weaned off all of my antidepressants by then. It's so crazy that one year of just deep, dark depression, it affected everyone. Well, and I think as a person going through depression, you don't realize how it's impacting someone else or even yourself. You don't even realize what it is that you're going through.

Like I've told you before, I went to sleep one day and felt like I woke up two months later. It's the weirdest, strangest feeling. And until you get outside of that, you don't realize the impact that it had or how long the impact was, right? Like yours was what, an entire year? It was about a year because it was pretty much my entire pregnancy with Rio, and then maybe shortly after. Once I got pregnant with the twins, I started to feel better. So I don't know if it was like a weird way

of like balancing out the hormones or what, but right before I found out I was pregnant with the twins, I had weaned off of, or around that time, I had weaned off, or around that time I had weaned off under a doctor's guidance and supervision. I weaned off of my Lexapro and I had never felt better. So I don't think that people talk about perinatal depression as much as they should because perinatal is different than postpartum. I have always like these past couple of years have referred to it as postpartum. I don't necessarily think it was postpartum.

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I feel like this is kind of like related to it because I am very much like keep things under wrap that Jackson doesn't need to know about. And I did that like with my last relationship, like not letting him in on certain things. But then I realized once I started being more open and talking to him like on his level about that, he's come so far and understanding. And so I feel like I'm regularly walking a fine line as a parent on like what's too much to share and what I should be sharing so he can like be a part and also understand that like life happens and shit happens. That is my regular daily, if not weekly, definitely, if not daily, definitely weekly struggle that I think about is like how much is too much.

I think about it all the time. I know that people don't necessarily always agree with my choices and my parenting choices or styles and things like that. Last week we talked about me saying they could cuss and then taking it back. I'm never going to always make the right decisions, but that is something that I battle daily, weekly, monthly, like how much is too much? Have I said too much to my kids? Have I said too little to my kids? Did I scare them? Should I have said it differently? That's like, I

don't know if there's ever going to be a time where we'll know until they're adults and they tell us, which is so fucked up because you can't fix it at that point. So I used to be big on not letting Jackson see me in any emotion except like even kill or happy. And the first time that he ever like truly saw me break down and cry probably was one time through my divorce and then when my parents went to prison. And I think it unlocked not only for me, but for him to for him to be able to see that

like parents go through emotions too. Like I was so determined that I was going to be this perfect parent and just if I was not happy, I was at least even and it allowed for so much more conversations that I feel like were necessary for him to have because he was also learning through play therapy, like it's okay to have all of these emotions. And you need to learn how to express those emotions. 100%, but sometimes it's hard because if you're going through something as a parent

for the first time, like you, for example, with your parents going to prison or your divorce or whatever, you're going through that for the first time. So you don't know how you're going to prison or your divorce or whatever, you're going through that for the first time. So you don't know how you're going to handle it and react to it. And so if you react poorly, not you specifically, but just any parent or anybody in general, you relax, react poorly. That is there. They're seeing that. Do you know what I mean? So it's like, I don't know. The only thing you can really do, I guess, at the point that you realize, okay, I'd handled it poorly is to talk to them about it. And I'm, we're both

huge fans of like apologizing to our kids. But what if it sticks with them? The poor reaction versus the apology. Do you know what I mean? I don't know if you have these conversations with your kids, but I'm big on asking Jackson and asking Jackson and points of conflict. So whether it be he's getting in trouble for something that happened at school, or he had an unrealistic emotion from a basketball game. I regularly go to him and I say, Can you describe what it was you were feeling? Were you anxious? Were you sad? Were you like angry? Like what was the emotion? And we try

to have conversation around like specific emotion. I love that. I think that's great. I mean, I tell Lux and Creed all the time, they're pretty reactive, I guess. I mean, and I can't really blame them look at their parents. And so now trying to undo all of that, and it took me four and a half, almost five years of therapy, I guess five years at this point, five years of therapy and the gray rock method, not responding to things for me to react differently as a frickin adult. So now trying to teach my kids how to undo their reactive behavior is, you know, something that I'm actively trying to do. And so I tell them all the time, sort of like with you, with you and I, I don't necessarily have to

do it as much with Isaac and Lincoln because they didn't have that same experience. And they obviously don't have the same parents as Lux and Creed, but you know, telling them like, it's okay to be upset and it's okay to be mad, but you don't get to do X, Y, and Z. You don't, that's not, and so trying to teach them and also doing it myself has been, doing it myself has been hard, but now that because they're younger, I'm hoping that I'm able to undo it before they become adults because I don't want them to go through the trauma that we've done or we've inflicted at any point. Well, I say all the time, like the emotion is okay.

How you're feeling is okay to feel that way, but the reaction is not. It's not. Yep. So the hardest thing to instill in your children, like anger is okay. That is a natural emotion, right? We get angry at stuff. But how you show your emotion should be controlled. Like you can be angry inside and I'm not asking you to like hold it all in because I think that's negative too, right? Like holding anger inside,

I shouldn't be teaching that either. But throwing something down a stair or banging something around in your bedroom, why did your wall deserve that? Oh yeah. Or like you don't get... So I really try to stop doing the screen thing, which we've talked about a hundred times, but we have these little like, they're sort of like etch a sketch, but not really because you can use like a little stylist sort of thing to draw and then you can clear it out. Yeah. So we have three of those in the car and we keep them in the back seat of the passenger seat and the driver's seat. But like you don't get to, you know, slam that on the floor. You don't get to kick the

back of my seat, like stuff like that. And it's like trying to get them to understand they're little. And also I am curious for anyone who's listening to this that has experience with like small children, my kids have never seen us throw things. So is that more of a typical child behavior or is that, what is that? Because Isaac and Lincoln that I recall never really threw things and Lux also never really threw things, but I don't know slamming stuff on the floor. That's not something that is, they've never seen that. So I don't know where that comes from. Like I don't throw stuff,

but I feel like Jackson definitely went through a phase. Yeah. So maybe it's just like normal kids. It could be, I've seen little girls do it too. So I don't think it's just like boys versus girls. I think it, I feel like I talked to somebody about this one time and I think what they said was it was an emotion that a child cannot control. So it's like a natural reaction because

they don't know how to express it. But I would love to hear from other parents on if that's like a normal thing that they went through with their kids because we definitely went through like throwing toys and slamming stuff shit. If it's common, you know, I will have less concern, I think. And then value. I don't know if it's a girl. I don't know. But she when she's mad, she'll just like, put herself on her stomach and basically have a tantrum. And I'm like, I feel like is that is pretty common. I know. I have heard people tell me like crazy stuff, like their kids will headbutt, they'll bite, they'll throw, they'll hit walls or hit a door.

It's like, what are you doing? But I guess what I'm asking is like, if you're not displaying that, because I am the first to admit that I don't always handle things the way that needs they need to be handled, right? Like the way they should be handled. And for that I have a lot of regrets, you know, in the past when I've lashed out or something like that and I don't, but I've never displayed some of those things to the kids. So where does it come from?

It's just like a, like a instinctual thing for like throwing or kicking your feet or something like that. I'm going to go with yes. I don't know the answer to that, but I would love for somebody to write in and let us know if they have any experience with that. I will say when Jackson went through the temper tantrum phase, I want to say his was around three. It wasn't even two. I would ignore him and wait until he regulated his own emotion and then I would circle back. So like if you're going to lay there and flail and like do all the shit that you're doing, you can do that, but I'm moving on with my day.

I think for over here, it depends on the situation. Sometimes I have to just like take a step back, but sometimes I'll just like go try to talk more. So Creed, he's older, he can understand more. So I'm able to have, like I can go over and like hug him and try to talk to him about it, where like Rio is not understanding that, he's two. So like, he's not under, like if I'm trying to like hug him, which I tried to do the other day, he almost like pissed him off more.

Were twos or threes harder for you? Because two was a cakewalk for me, and it was almost like the day that that child turned three years old, whole new person. So far every kid has been very different. So I can't honestly even pick an age. All the kids are different. I think some of my kids have been really chill and two or threes weren't a thing.

And then Rio, I would say he's two, the twos have been rough. Two has been really rough for Rio. I think because they're in the in-between stage of being able to communicate and not being able to communicate. So they have some of the tools to be able to tell you what they want, but not all of them. And so some of the ones that really, really hold weight and matter, they don't have a way to communicate

what they're trying to say. I mean, thankfully I've never experienced like the biting thing. That's never been a thing for us, but tantrums for Rio, Creed, huge tantrums, but the older three, not so much. And reverse, not so much. I would love to know moms that are listening and the couple of dads who listen to us

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A new mom recently posted on Reddit in shock after she claims her mother-in-law, not even her own mom, offered to breastfeed her newborn while they were still in the hospital. And obviously this is a violation to anybody and their child. The mother-in-law made said offer as a 58 year old woman, I cannot make this up. I was appalled. The original poster of the Reddit thread doesn't add additional context to her mother-in-law's request. Perhaps the mother-in-law saw the baby crying

and wanted to comfort or help them. I don't know what circumstances. Well, you know how this is logical. Well, that's what I was going to say. I don't know what the circumstances would be in order for me to offer. Because I've heard if you're not producing milk and you get supplemental breast milk from somebody else

or if your baby's really sick and really needs breast milk but you can't produce or something like that. I don't know what the circumstances would be in order for me to offer my milk. Also is the mother-in-law even lactating because why I don't understand. Well, it says keep in mind induced lactation usually takes months of hormone therapy and stimulation of the breast through pumping breast milk cannot be produced at a moment's notice. So my question is, is this 58-year-old mother-in-law, like was she doing this stuff in hopes that that would be transferring? Like surely not.

I don't know. Honestly, the husband or the partner, whether it was a man or woman, whatever, should have handled that because that's also something. Now you've put the new mom in a weird position to have all these feelings and mixed emotion and probably anger, rightfully so. And now partner has to go handle their mom. Okay. Are you handling the mom in that situation if it's his mom or he's handling it? See, but in that sort of situation, I'm probably going against better judgment and saying something myself because you've crossed so many lines. And at the point that you've done something

that outrageous, you're going to get the wrath of me and I'm not apologizing for it because why would you say something like that when I just became a new mom? At that point, you deserve whatever I have to say. Well, and to this article's point, it says a person who gives birth goes through what they're going through can be intense and overwhelming for a breastfeeding parent and they also face hurdles of establishing a whole new relationship on top of bonding that they already want to do with their baby. Like the thoughts of somebody trespassing in that situation with a child that I just

carried for nine months and I'm just establishing that relationship and it's all so new. I'm absolutely asking to that person's face, I don't care if it's my mother or his mother, what the fuck are you thinking? Are you deranged? Actually, this just goes on, this gets added to the list of reasons why I just would not even recommend having anyone come to the hospital because what the actual fuck. I have thought about if I had a second child, I'm now starting to get woo woo like you. Well because I know that you said you'd rather have them come to the hospital and I had said I didn't want them at the hospital. But things like that, that's the first thing that you

thought to say to me when I'm giving, and you're only in the hospital, what, two, three days in a good, with no other unforeseen circumstances, you're there for two or three days. And that is what you say to me. No, I mean, bring a onesie, maybe lunch or like something like that. And let's call it a day like love on your new grandbaby and see your way out because I just think that that is definitely an overstayed welcome situation. Absolutely not. Back to my woo-woo comment.

Not the woo-woo comment. I've become deranged, honestly, because if I had another child, I might do a water birth. I am so curious about the water birth. I never did one, but I've seen people who have, and I think that would be probably like really cool to do. I loved my home birth. But so I mean, if I was to ever have another one, I didn't need a c-section and had no issues, I think water birth would be really cool. But then there's also the risk like if something goes wrong, you need to be like really close to a hospital. Yeah. And what's crazy is the my home birth birth, I really wasn't, I was a good 35 minutes from

a hospital. Can you do water births and stuff like that in a hospital or they don't offer? Some do, some hospitals do and, and birthing centers too. Like there's birthing center, there's a birthing, a birth center here. It's about an hour from me. But again, the hospital is not right there. Like the hospital is not close to the birth center. I just think water births are so cool and like, what a cool experience to be like, okay,

I did that and my baby came in like a fish. Yeah. And you can do them at home too. Like you can get the birthing tub at home. Sometimes if you have a midwife and you do a home birth, they provide or you can like, like rent the stuff to do the home birth at home in the water tub. It's so crazy. And you probably you actually definitely experienced it already know from your age that you were when you had Isaac, you probably would have never thought about like

a home birth, a water birth, unmedicated. Were you medicated when you had Isaac? I was, but I didn't want to be. I wanted to go unmedicated. You probably could not like fathom any of that stuff. And the older that I get, I'm like, okay, like that's not that woo woo. You know? And like, when I was pregnant with Jackson, I only

would see a doctor. Like there were midwife options through my practice, but I would never see a midwife. And now I'm like, if I did it again, I would have a midwife. I'm whatever makes the person comfortable, I'm good. What makes it happen to me? Maybe just like knowledge is power and also the older you get, you educate yourself more, you learn more and I don't know. Maybe it's just like watching all of your life decisions and I'm like, okay, well, since

she did it and it was successful, I can do it. I've literally, I say this all the time, I've literally had every type of birth there is and I've seen, I've had two midwives and I also have had doctors. And then I've had a doctor who has, was, is and has performed, you know, I don't want to say performed birth, been an OBGYN in multiple countries. And so he sort of has like Eastern and Western medicine experience under his belt and has done, you know, so many kinds of, of techniques and labor and you know, what he allows and what he doesn't allow and things like that. So I've had literally every type of birth,

C-section, medicated, unmedicated, fentanyl, epidural, no meds at all, honey in the diaper. I've had all of it. Home, hospital. Hospital, yeah, I've had all of it. You've just gotta have one more so you can do the water. Oh, right, yeah, oh, well, there's the reason. Elijah said to me on Super Bowl Sunday, he said, you wanna have one more?

He texted that to me, and I was like, what? He's like, I got one more in me. So maybe that's the water bur. Would you do it? No. No. If you asked me six months ago, yes, but today, absolutely not. So we're done.

Yes, we're done. You might not be, but I am. As of today. As of today. Actually, if you get pregnant, I'll get pregnant. Cool. We're going to do it together. So we're not lonely.

Full circle. It's like you're having your eighth and I'm just like on my second at 35. Casually having truly like a second only child because their age gap would be so big that it would be like they get the best of both worlds. They would both get the best of both worlds. But you know what I really struggle with is that, and I know that we regularly talk about not referring to divorce situations

as marriage being a failure. I had a child with my husband that was very wanted and planned for. I feel the same as you with hobby with Lincoln, right? And then that situation didn't work out. So you're now divorced and you're living a completely different life of anything that you could have imagined during that time. If you are with someone who also has a child or children, they're divorced or likely have

like another situation that has transpired. So both of those sets of kids are going to other parents' homes in a traditional situation. Right. Is there going to be resentment if you have a child with your new partner that hopefully it's forever and that child's always with y'all, and then the other children are only with y'all part of the time.

This is something that I think about very often. And I think the answer is sort of a gray area, because I think sometimes, yes, there is resentment. But I also think sometimes there's feelings that they are unaware of until they're older and they look back. So they might not know what it is that they're feeling or they might not know why they don't like whatever the situation is or whatever person it is until they're old enough to look back and say, I don't know, how often have you looked back at your childhood and said,

oh, now I see it for what it is, good or bad, whether it's a good experience or a bad experience or oh, you recognize feelings now about how you felt about it back then. I think that it's possible for, you know, kids because they are so resilient and they shouldn't have to be, but they are. And they might be tolerating it pretty well, but then they grow up and they realize, oh, I actually resented that. Does that make sense? Like, it's almost like they didn't necessarily resent it during the time, but looking back, they're like, Oh, and I think about that often because I have so many kids and I wonder, you know, they're fine with it now and we

joke about it now, but like, are they going to grow up and be like, think differently? So I think about it. When I think about it for myself, I think about you with Elijah and Rio and the twins. You and Elijah will stay together and all three of those children are from same mom and dad and live under the same roof together. That's a completely different childhood than what everybody else is doing, even though everybody else is incorporated in that,

they're still like going off to other parents and then coming back. Is that a fear that you have had that like they will be resentful towards your kids and your situation where you feel like, okay, I got it right? Yeah. I think that I do have that fear. I also fear other resentments for other reasons. You know what I mean? Like I don't think necessarily fear that one more than any others. But you know, and I think I worry about I would say Isaac the most in terms of like resentment, like will he resent me the most because he's the oldest and so he saw more and he understood more. Or will

he have empathy or sympathy or understanding because he sort of was old enough to understand certain things? I don't know. And then, you know, I look at Lincoln's situation, he kind of has that sort of the same situation on both sides. And so I worry about him too, because I don't know what he'll think is like normal or not normal or what he liked and didn't like. And so I worry about that too. Well, for Lincoln, I feel like he's got two relatively normal situations. Now at y'all's faces now, y'all are pretty much doing the same thing in both households, right? And so those two things are relatively normal, which are good examples for him. With Isaac,

I think you're exactly right because he's seen everything, but I think that's a typical first child, right? Like they see everything for just what it is. So I do think that that builds a level of resilience that you probably feel guilt for that resilience, but at the same time, it's like very useful for him and his adult life. Yeah, I hope so. I mean, I so. I hope that my kids feel comfortable enough when they're older to talk to me about whatever those resentments look like and things like that. Not that I would be able to change it at that point, but I would like to know what their perspective

is. I'm not a stranger to apologizing to them, and I'm not a stranger for at least validating or acknowledging how they might feel or how they felt at one time or how they will feel in the future. So I hope that they feel comfortable enough to talk to me about it. People are going to be like, these two are advocates for apologizing to their children and having open communication and conversation. But also giving the middle finger in the right context. But I'm going to let Kristin do foul play with you because Versus is still screaming and I'm actually a little concerned. Perfect.

Okay. All right. Love you all. Okay. Hello, everyone. Hi, Miss Ma'am. Hi. You got a screaming baby and foul play to still do. Apparently I am a long lost individual on this podcast. So I'm back. I'm here. I'm so proud. Welcome. Apparently, I was lost, but I'm super excited about this foul play. We got a little celebrity tea that we're going to preface the entire thing with allegedly

because we don't know. We can't prove it, we don't want to get sued. So someone submitted this. And I'm very excited to hear your thoughts. So this person said, I've debated on sending this in for a while now, but the more I see on the Facebook groups and here on the podcast, I knew I had to share. Two summers ago, I was very single and in my hot girl era, go off. I love that. Right? My friend and I were at so many concerts that summer and one so happened to be a Trey Lewis one. Prior to the concert, we were messaging him on Instagram, I have receipts to prove it and he even shouted us out on a TikTok

live. We thought we were hot shit. Fast forward a few hours to the concert and a few drinks in, I start flirting with the merch guy. Yes, the merch guy. I was feeling myself okay. He told us to stick around after the concert and we would go on the bus. We were like, oh hell yes. So they all made their way on the bus and Trae is messaging us to come on the bus.

We needed someone to pinch us in this moment, like no way, right? So we got on the bus. Merch guy and I went to the back bedroom. Things started to get hot and heavy. We did the deed in the back of the bus while my friend and the rest of the band members are in the front area. I have pictures to prove of inside the bus as well. Well, once business is finished, I go back out to where everyone is lounging and I see a cute guy who I later find out is the tour manager. So I decided the night is still young. Oh shit.

We started talking and flirting and it was clear the sex tension was there, but where was I supposed to go with him? Back where Merch Guy was? Hell no. So where did we go? Right outside the bus. Yep, that bus is parked on the street. He fingered me on the street downtown.

After that, we all went to the bars and we were with them until the bar closed. I stay in contact with tour manager for a little while and even went to Nashville for a vacation and met up with him again. A little while after that, I found out he possibly had a girlfriend so I was no longer entertaining that. So I may not have gotten dick down in Dallas, but I did get dick down in Des Moines. I love listening to you ladies and hope the story entertained you to some degree. No, she got dick down and fingered within what seems like a couple of minutes of each other. I don't want to say anything negative about Trey Lewis because I am acquaintances with Trey Lewis

and I told him we go on tour again, that I would love for him to come down and do Dick Down in Dallas with us. Big fan. I feel like this was just a girl in her hot girl era and a typical artist doing artist things and a typical tour manager or band member. Merch guy. Merch guy doing some possible fucked up shit. I'm just like, I read this and I was like, oh no, like this one's getting read for sure. But how do we go from like, where this led me in my mind, I'm like, okay, we are flirting

with Merch guy to get to Trey Lewis. And once that is executed, like we're stopping there. No, no, we got finger banged. We got finger banged 100%. Like I cannot. Well, thanks for joining me for foul play. Thank you guys for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple podcast app. Follow Following right on Spotify or listen wherever you get your pods Don't forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us and our community We hope you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon. Bye At Pluto TV, we're celebrating Black History Month with our curated collection of black

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