Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - The Twisted Sisters

Episode Date: November 14, 2024

CC382: Lindsie and Kail bring you a special in person episode to talk about the true dynamic between them. Are they actually friends? What happen to the Telegram group? And Kail made Lindsie cry?? Becky and Kristen also chime in on Kail and Lindsie's growth throughout the last year. Thank you to our sponsor! Honeylove: Get 50% OFF @honeylove by going to honeylove.com/Coffee #honeylovepodProgressive: Visit Progressive.com to learn moreRocket Money: Manage your expenses the easy way by going to RocketMoney.com/COFFEECONVOSQualia: Go to Qualialife.com/coffeeconvos for up to 50% off and use code COFFEECONVOS at checkout for an additional 15% offStitch Fix: Get started today at StitchFix.com/coffeeconvos

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family,

and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. Good morning and welcome to another episode of Coffee Convo's fucking podcast. What the fuck is up? Kristen said that was her favorite intro of all time. What the fuck is up? When you did that, I was like, what's going on? First of all, I woke up this

morning, I scrolled TikTok for the first time in like five days. And it was a video of the Tigers dancing on their for their game. The who? Tigers baseball team. Clemson baseball team. The Tigers? Yeah, but I would if someone told me that I would think it was professional team Are they a professional team? No, Kail, it's collegiate. No. No is there a Tigers professional baseball team? Yes Okay, do you know about clear? Have you wore a tiger shirt yesterday? That's why I sent it to you Have you ever fucked anybody that plays baseball?

Christopher Michael Lopez Elijah Scott Williams. That's not his last name. Lux says it is. You literally would go up to him and be like, I love you Elijah Scott Williams. Where did the Williams come from? We don't know. He just made it up. He also calls Matt Matthews. He calls him Matt Jeffries. So he's a liar like you. Got it. That is going to discredit everything I just said on Barely Famous Podcast.

Just kidding. She's really not a liar. Okay, so we're gonna get right into it. People wanna hear the true dynamic behind us and are we actual friends or business partners only? Oh, okay, first of all, I just wanna say that I also read comments about my engagement ring. The stones fell out on the band. Two stones actually one stone fell out and then it was replaced and then two stones fell out. Was it cubic

zirconia? It better not have been. I'll be pissed. I'll be pissed. I'll be pissed. No so I am I think we're just gonna do a whole new one because at this point it's like Time it's time. So we're just gonna do a whole new one that one It was I don't know what company it came from like he did it on his own. So don't love that But anyways moving on from that are we real friends or are we business partners? I would like to describe our relationship as Siblings, okay. I would like to describe our relationship as siblings. Okay, I would like to describe our relationship as siblings. Whenever we have fought over the years, we've been so direct about it and we've never like obviously everyone talks their shit and we share an assistant. So she's going to hear

stuff from both sides, but you and I have always been pretty direct on our feelings about each other. And then we've gone through periods where we're closer than others, where we fight, where we're more business partners, but we're actually friends. I think people don't really realize that just because we are so different. Well, we basically went into business with each other, not even knowing each other. That's my favorite story to tell. I know they're like, how did you meet Lindsey Chrisley? And I'm like, I don't know, I signed a contract before I ever met her in person Twitter Twitter. Yeah, and I met hobby before I met you. Yes. Yeah, I don't think people know that either. Yeah He was here on that like book that he wrote or something. Did he even write a book?

Did I make the story behind that book is an actual shit show? And I'm actually working on the getting the rights back because it started as a book that was between the two of us it was going to be a situation where Javi and I wrote a book where you start the book and it's my side it was going to be called his side her side in the truth it was going to be my version of our divorce and then you flip it over and it starts his side of the novel that is his side of the divorce and then you flip it over and it starts his side of the novel that is his side of the divorce and then in the middle they like sort of overlap. That was the whole idea

behind that book. Can I get the rights to that and actually do it? Yeah you know what will you get will you give me a royalty for my idea? Absolutely the fuck not. I'll talk to you about it on coffee combos. Oh I mean. And you can go on a book tour with me. All right, fine. But can I do it? Because I feel like going through a divorce, everybody's sides are so different about everything and everybody's perspective on everything. If you asked Will's parents about our divorce,

they probably legitimately think we're both psychopaths at this point. Y'all both are psychopaths at this point. Yeah. If you ask him the side, he would give you a completely different version than my side and I think that's so interesting and I pissed off you guys didn't do it That was when we were good. The problem is that we would be good and then we would be bad And so then he reneged on

That when we were really bad, so then he just kept writing and then left you out. No, he didn't write So then what the fuck was he doing? I ended up taking over taking over the book deal on my own, completely unrelated and not even about the divorce. No, but why the fuck did I meet him then? I had to fulfill contractual obligations. That's like the literal second half of this year. Basically I covered Javi's ass because he was contractually obligated to fulfill this book deal

and did not. So then when we were going to do one, because he was going to write a whole book about, I think, our divorce. But I was like, oh, wait, we're really good. Why don't we do his side, her side, the truth kind of deal? And then he pulled out of that as well. And that's when I was like, I'll just fulfill

the obligation of this book. So you still didn't answer my question. He was there initially with plans to write the book. Got it, okay. But then when he came to me and was like, I just wanna give you a heads up that I'm writing this book. And I was like, oh, well, why don't we do this? And he was like, oh, actually really love that.

So he was there on business to talk about the book, but then it never ended up happening because we were supposed to do our so I don't know if it was the publisher or it was a publisher who it was that reached out to like my publicist at that time. But they were reached out. I think they were just like looking for a local Atlanta TV talent. And that's how I got reached out to was it like a party?

No, it was basically just me and Javi. That's so interesting. Like what did y'all do? Just like shoot the shit? No, we drank. Oh. Yeah. But like.

But we were not there on business. I wasn't. But so you were invited to go drink with Javi? I mean basically we like met at a restaurant and then I was under the impression that we were gonna like take pictures and like do whatever. I really had no idea what I signed up for but I was just like asked to do it so I was like sure like I'll go do it. And then somehow we went to like some dive bar.

Oh was it fun? Was he a good time? Did he talk shit about me? No he never talked shit about you. Interesting. No, I would have talked shit about him. You do. No, I would say that honestly, we're probably more friends than

business partners at this point. But also business partners. I think the last 18 months we've gotten closer than we've ever been. Yeah. But I also think it's just because we have done work as individuals and we were going through a lot of individual life things. Do you want me to tell you a time that Kayle made me cry?

In a good way or a bad way? If I cry it's always bad. Alright, let's hear it. Okay, so one time we were in this group chat and it was with Kristen and I was like trying to get clarification on like what the fuck was going on and scheduling and stuff and nobody knew was this preg was this when she was pregnant with the twins wait you know about this you were in the she was in the fucking group chat I cried for a whole day what could I have said wasn't it I was trying to figure out scheduling yeah I was trying to

figure out scheduling for recordings and like I was being so nice about it? I was trying to figure out scheduling. I believe so. Yeah, I was trying to figure out scheduling for recordings and like I was being so nice about it. Like I wanna kind of go back and find the messages. Please don't. And- Please fuck. I'm gonna blame it on pregnancy hormones or maybe Kale was just like very spicy that day. But she was like, well, you're not in charge of my ovaries.

I lost it. Like I called Kristen balling. Why would I say that? I don't know. Kristen, I need context. No, I need contact. No, because I'm not going. I need context.

I think it was uterus. You did say that to me. Why? That was a very sister thing to say though. Give her a mic. Give her a mic. I am absolutely mortified at my own behavior. This doesn't make either one of us look good, does it? How much context did you like?

I mean, if we're gonna tell the story in full fucking transparency for the love of fucking God, just do it. Not Kristen like pulling up the actual, see this is why we need her for the facts. I actually love when we have a producer on the podcast because I love when they give us tidbits of information in the chat and or Like yeah, I love it that we don't know because neither of us know anything. We're talking about 100% No, because the fact that you still have the text message and the twins are a year old and I said it during pregnancy

Means that it's at least 18 months old which is absolutely terrifying So it's one year old and you still have the text. I don't delete anything. It was like now I'm terrified. Okay so when she goes to sleep tonight me you and Becky are stealing her devices and we're deleting everything off. No we're destroying them. Yeah I'll run it over in my Bronco. Throw in a fucking river. You put it in front of the Bronco and I'll run it over. No, because the information that's probably on that phone. I know. Would have. It's also information you all need.

So that would not be good for you. Well, I'll take the chance. I'll take the chance. I will absolutely take the chance. OK. Here we go. Way back when, when we had the kiddie gang telegram chat. Kitty gang, kitty gang, kitty gang, kitty gang. That was truly a disaster from the start. Both times we tried to do it. Shout out to all the soldiers that were in there that were tried and true.

They are coffee combos, kitties like I, we love you. 1000%. Okay. We're taking it way back. Like we're walking down, talk about memory lane that we just did on barely famous. Like we're really, we're going back a whole year. Yes, we are. October 15th of 2023. Kale sends his text at 8 53 AM, which she loves that time. And sometimes earlier, Hey everyone, I know it's Sunday and no one is working, but I just want y'all both to know I'm done

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elevate your style thanks to Honey Love. Kale said this but let me pause you there before we go any further because there were regular trolls that were in the telegram which is what caused the telegram to get shut down, my ex-husband being one. Also, just to like further, just talk about the telegram really quick was like, it was sort of before I started Patreon, it was a way to build further on the Coffee Combos community and give exclusive information, not information,

but just like exclusive content, be more interactive. Real time. In real time with people who support us in a real way. And the trolls really took that, like that safety and like comfort and like, I get it. Like we're in this is weird, parasocial relationship with our listeners. But like, I loved being in Telegram.

Like I loved having that constant connection to our listeners and the trolls really, really stole the happiness and joy of being able to do that. So I just wanna say that. I'd also like to note the fact that these trolls paid to be in said chat, including your ex-husband. And I didn't have, I never refunded him.

I did not refund him. Oh, he regularly tells me that we never refunded him. I can't believe he was in there. It's called. Do you think Javi was also in there? It's called the game I like to play fuck around and find out you paid $4.99 and you pass go for five minutes and you got caught and then you did not get your money back wait y'all actually caught him I caught him it's not special it's

not speculation no no 100% confirmed not alleged. Yes with his email With his own fucking email Willard We need to have a talk so I Said my phone was just blown up about this and people are getting extremely nasty in there I just turned permissions to not allow any of them to send in messages for the time being until it gets figured out Kale valid said I can't give exclusive shit that they want slash pay for it gets leaked. Valid.

I said, I mean figured out amongst you and Lindsay and a direction given to me for the time being I've disallowed posting in there due to it getting nasty. Lindsay comes in with a novel. Oh yeah. Please read it. Oh wow. It's a big novel. Anytime I have to like do multiple thumbs like we're in trouble. October 16 2023. Not

the day later. 955 AM. Good morning. Sorry for the delay in response. I've not been home since Thursday afternoon due to taking due to caretaking for someone's surgery. Regarding the telegram chat. It seems as if a decision on that was made without me and there's not much I can do about that. I will be forthcoming and let y'all know that I'm not happy about it. If it needs to be canceled, cancel it, but just know that's a financial decision that needed to be discussed.

I also want everyone to be aware that we will have blowback on that for a while because those are the most dedicated listeners. I have shifted schedules since summer and been willing to bank and take on episodes alone for coffee combos. I'm very stressed and this business needs to go back to normal at the start of the year. I've had very little to no time to work on other things with this scheduling and have pushed other obligations aside. I'm not saying this to complain, but to simply give perspective that come January 1, we cannot continue having the same issues. I need to know what the plan is for this before five today. Lindsay loves

a deadline. Oh, I always say before five and don't want to deal with any more chaos regarding this stuff. Please respond and let me know when you can. Please do not take this message as hostile because it's absolutely not. Miss Lowry comes in with a solid goodbye. I would leave this reply right where it's at, but it won't let me leave the group. That's the most self-centered response I've ever heard which it wasn't Lindsay said this was kill pregnant y'all. I were this was what we dealt with for an entire pregnancy Was this right before you gave birth last year? Yeah, it was what was the date? It was the week before I gave yeah, you were pretty bitchy that I'm truly mortified by my own behavior. Wait, so then you said so Lindsay says I'm sorry that you feel that way as that was

Not the intention at all. Nor am I upset. I just want a resolution You said I am upset you do nothing outside of recordings You have your schedule boundaries and I created a boundary for myself with this and you made it about you you send a screenshot What says messages in there have been paused for now and until you respond slash decide if you're still doing it. Make it work for yourself. No one is stopping you. You chose to take episodes alone and then you want to make this about stressful recordings and weeks.

But we had a timeframe. We knew this. Sorry, my uterus isn't on your time. That part of it was fair. Everything else was rude. I just feel like there could have been a better way that we could have handled that situation. And I honestly, did I not call you?

Well, you sent this message first and then called me hysterically. Here's what I see wrong with the scenario was that I made a decision for myself that very much affected, it was a business decision, like you said, right? And I was like, okay, I'm not doing this, which then affects your ability to whatever. And so we could not move forward in a joint anything because I was making solo decisions.

That's problem number one. But can we also clarify, stop there for a second and talk about how your dynamic, all of you, it's just everybody that's podcasting and talks about their life, your life is the business. Yes. The business is involved in the life, so when you're trying to create balance

in your own personal life and it's affecting the business, that's not something that any of you ever accounted for. Like you couldn't imagine it. No, but I don't think none of us did. The audience can't understand it. So it will be hard when they listen to this for them to understand or even put themselves in those shoes, because I don't think that's the dynamic

for a lot of people. Becky works a corporate job. She's not talking about her personal life over there, as part of the business. You and I do that on Coffee Combos. Baby Mamas was doing that. Now Karma and Chaos will be doing that. Barely Famous in some capacity does that.

And so I think that that is a huge part of all of this is like, you said it's a financial decision, which it is, but it also, I mean, there's layers to it. It was a personal decision for you because you retired or your shit being leaked. It's like, I wanna build this community for Coffee Combos listeners, but the trolls are ruining it But then me putting up that boundary is also a financial loss

For us and it also will put a strain on the relationship or parasocial relationship with the listeners So but my what I was saying was the problem I'm seeing within my own behavior was like I didn't even have a conversation About it was just like I'm ending it So I say all that to say, that is the same thing that I did over at Baby Mamas when I said, I am taking a hiatus from Baby Mamas. And then I was answered with, I'm not continuing without you, period, point blank.

The only decision was to end the podcast. So I don't know if that's a problem. I don't know if that's a pattern. I don't know if that's a boundary or if that like sort of teeters the line between boundary and like problematic my Suggestion would be and it's hard because again, it's personal. It's your life We're supposed to be able to make personal decisions when we want to how we want to and execute them accordingly We shouldn't have to ask other people when it comes to our personal boundaries. But when your personal stuff is business, you have noticed, you've said it

yourself, you don't usually take like a breath. You don't pause, you try. I don't grieve, I don't think, I overthink the wrong times. You're always in react. You're always in response. I have to respond, I have to react, I have to do all this stuff. I think a lot of that's trauma like just That's how your life's been since you got on TV No, it was before that. I mean it was my whole yes, but like especially in this world like take the entertainment world You get shit at every angle. I just think a year later reading that out loud is actually like I'm sorry You don't have to be sorry because I don't give a fuck now. Well, I do she cry

I don't care, but I know right for a whole day I think it because I remember where I was when I said that like now that I have context and I think that I just felt like um, I Don't know why I'm crying. It's not that deep I'm gonna cry. Don't cry. Yeah please don't. I think at the time I felt like like you saying that you were taking on all of this stuff was because of me and I it was like I was causing a problem. No I don't think I was inconveniencing you by being pregnant and so that's kind of how I

know that's how I felt it's not okay it's not a justification for it but I think that's like when you were like, I'm taking on solo episodes or I'm doing this, like I took it as an attack where like now a year later, there was nothing wrong with what you said. And I was like, I don't want it to come across as like hostile because I did not mean that by the message. I don't know what I other than that like other than feeling like it was an attack because I was pregnant And you were taking on more work. I don't know why I would have that reaction Like I don't know what else was going on at that time

Other than you know, obviously when the twins were born I was going through it with Chris like he was ruined like Chris was actively like That's the only thing that I could think of I don't I also don't want to blame him either like it's just not but now looking back on that and after the conversation that we just had on barely famous about the fallout of baby mamas uh-huh I think looking back at these dates you are also navigating coming off of reality TV trying to create a new life, trying to establish boundaries that you never had before, and also keeping a pregnancy of twins private. I also-

I still just like all of it is not really like an excuse. And I just like, I'm sorry for talking to you like that. I mean, you really didn't say anything other than about your uterus. And then I cried for a whole day and then it was fine. And now I'm crying. I think- Don't cry. I had a tissue. I know I'm crying I think don't cry tissue Napkin, you guys didn't have the greatest business communication at that time either you guys have come a very long way in a year

Well, and I think to circle back to thank you. Look at Becky giving me a little nappy nap When we just said that we are more like sisters, I think different times of our relationship has been different. We were very direct with each other, but it doesn't always mean that it was nice. No, does that make sense? So like we were being direct with each other, but it wasn't nice and it wasn't healthy. She was being my response was not nice or healthy. Did I even respond? You responded in a novel. You said, I'm sorry you're upset.

I didn't intend to make you upset. That was not my goal or intent at all, nor was I trying to make it about me at all. I just want resolution, no one to be upset, and for us to function without dealing with stupid stuff. That's unnecessary. Which if that's canceling the chat, I'm okay with it. I just know we will get blowback,

which if we are talking, sorry, which if we are collectively okay with taking that on it's okay I'm not saying anything about you being pregnant I made the choice to take on those episodes and I'm happy to do so as you need the time off I was just saying come the new year I was hoping everything could be figured out so that we could operate more smoothly. I'm not upset at all And again, I'm sorry that you are so upset with me Yeah, I was out of line. Sorry. And that's coffee combos. Hey, it's like therapy. We should call it the Twisted Sisters podcast.

I'm dead. Okay. That's like really sad though. But- Because if I did it once, how many times did I do it? I don't really think she's done it that much. No, you get to the stage, you both like a very common, oh stop, I'm gonna cry. I know, stop. You both go, you don't like having conflict in general in y'all's lives

and you don't like conflict with each other. So this era and previous was in the, I'm so fed up about A, B, and C, but I'm not saying anything. And then D would drop and it was like, fuck it all to hell. Like, I don't care. I think different phases of coffee combos,

different phases of Lindsay and Kale was like, we didn't know how each other would respond because we would go through different things at different times, sort of like the baby mama's thing. I didn't tell you about baby mama's because I didn't know how you were gonna react to it. You probably had no idea I was gonna respond like that at that time or maybe you did.

And it was like, that's why you wrote, like, I don't know. Like I don't, I just, that's not okay for me to talk to people like that. Well, it's okay, Keel, it was a year ago. It doesn't matter when it was. Coffee Convo's podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Hey, Coffee Convo's listeners, whether you love true crime or comedies, celebrity interviews, news, or even motivational speakers,

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okay, want to record tomorrow? Which is probably not great, but it also is. Do we want to get like real, like real? Yeah, sure. I'm scared. I don't know, I have not cried like this. It's a release. You have a lot going on.

Do I though? Like I'm like what in the fuck? Like I could you, I would not have remembered it if you didn't bring it up. What is Becky about to say? I didn't. Can I say something? Yeah, come over here. Get on the couch, Becky.

I, like I don't know why I'm so upset by that. Yeah, come over here. Get on the couch, Becky. I don't know why I'm so upset by that. Oh my God. Listen to me. I don't know. I'm fine. I'm just like, I don't know why that's so upsetting that I treated you like that. And I didn't even like, I never, I don't know why I did that.

Kil, you were a week away from giving I know but that's not an excuse I Think that I'm freshly I'm freshly back in the world of Kayla re but we've talked about this outside of conversations and I've Realized like the past five years is insane the amount that you've grown as a person and The past five years is insane the amount that you've grown as a person. And I can only imagine, right, you're becoming a better version of yourself. So you're recognizing things that you've done in the past that your current self wouldn't do.

And that's really hurtful, right? It's really hurtful to recognize because you would never do that now. Well, I hope I wouldn't. But right. But that's gross. But like, I didn't realize that I was acting like that. Like I thought she was about to read me something that she said that was sort of fucked up, or teetered the line of fucked up.

And then I came back and said something fucked up. That's where I thought it was going. But hearing what Lindsay said first, I was out of pocket. Yeah, and that's on growth is it though yeah you're not that you're like you are different now than you were then and you're gonna continue to grow because of because I know but because of reactions like this that's all bye Like you guys went from. That's all bye.

I don't, but. Stace, can you hear me from sitting here? Now I can. Okay. You guys went from every three months, she can attest to it, because I would say it. Every three months you guys would have a blow up

since about 2018. And it would be, we're quitting, I'm quitting, fuck this, I'm calling my lawyer, I don't care. Three days later, we'd go through the whole fucking process of contacting everyone that need to be contacted and then it's like, oh JK we're recording tomorrow. And then it's like Kayl and I are sneaky links and like we're talking behind everybody's back and we're like we're actually just recording, fuck them. And then we're against all y'all. 1000% so like the

dynamic has shifted. You guys know how to talk about business conversations now, you know each other better You're still in chaos, but in a better place And you're growing and it's different you guys don't I don't think let shit fester The hell is who cares who cares you'll just say fuck you in the moment. Yeah Kill pisses me off. I'm just be like fuck you and go to my bunk bed Kale pisses me off. I'm just gonna be like, fuck you and go to my bunk bed. Lindsay actually slept in a bunk bed last night. I was really hoping whenever I woke up this morning, I was like, can Kale and I have a sleepover in this bunk bed so that we can be like stepbrothers?

Could you imagine? I do need a picture of it. Can we do a stepbrothers TikTok in the bunk bedroom? Yes. The one with the toothbrush where the bunk bed breaks. Can we afford that bunk bedroom? Yes, the one with the toothbrush where the bunk bed breaks. Can we afford that bunk bed? Tyler already broke a chair in this Airbnb. Am I not allowed to say that? You can. I don't give a fuck.

Tyler already broke a chair in this Airbnb. We'll replace it, by the way. So if the owners of this Airbnb are listening, we'll replace it. It's just a Tyler. We don't know. Also, it was definitely broken before he sat on it and we got the brunt of it, but we'll still make good. The joke of it is I sat in it for hours the night before and it never broke. Oh, so he did break it. I'm not sure the way that it snapped so fast and so hard. I thought it was already broken. The Lord was ready to take him the fuck out. And that's like, yeah, this is the session of coffee, comics therapy and I'm now exiting. Thank you so much.

Thank you so much. But yeah, I just think that we have grown so much individually, but then also collectively as business women, but then collectively as friends. And I think that a lot of people don't realize what it's like doing business with friends that become family. And also doing business with friends that become family. And also doing business with friends that become family where our business is our personal

life together. And I think that you and I also care so much about the listenership of like the OG kiddies that listen to this podcast. I think neither of us really wanted to walk away from that chat. No, I love there are so many people that I don't even know that they I don't think that they know that we know who they are. And like I pay attention to the names, I recognize the names I and I loved it felt like a community not only to them, I think, but to me as well. Which is a great segue into the next question that we were asked. We loved seeing so many of you kiddies out on tour. It was so fun. No, it was so fun. Heather

Loehmire. Also, we need to get Ryan sticker. I keep saying we're going to add Ryan stickers. Like we need a we love Ryan sticker. Right. Like the only man that listens to us because no other men are signing up to do this every week. I don't know. There might be a couple. I think there be a couple. If you're a man, raise your hand admitting it. You know what I mean? Yeah. They certainly are not admitting it. I probably have a couple of exes that are listening. All my exes are listening. Any tour dates in 2025? Yes. So bro, we had a whole knockdown drag out fight last night. I'm just kidding. That's very dramatic. Wait, you know what? Since we're having so many business chats and about our team, I

feel like we should acknowledge the fact that we had a knockdown fucking drag out in this living room last night. I also want to say that with that being said, it was still peaceful. Like I loved, I love the feeling of who is a part of our team at this point. Same. It's like, can you guys not? The Peanut Gallery is talking shit about us at the counter. Yeah, if it's going to be a live audience, we need y'all to stop. Thank you.

They're laughing. Do you want to share with the class what was being said? Yeah. That face during the, I didn't identify as a knockdown drag out. I said it was dramatic. I was uncomfortable. Well, she, you're going to be a part of all of this. I know, that thought was going through my head.

She's like actually on second thought, count me out. The crazy thing is, is that the team that has been created and all the people that we surround ourselves with now, and some people can't be named for certain reasons, but I feel like it's just become like this big incestuous family. Yeah, in the best way though. It's like a family reunion where every, it's kind of like showing up to Christmas

and you getting out all the shit that you hate about everybody that's there. You know? And then it's just over and then we're making TikToks. They're necessary conversations. Do we think that somebody's trying to hack my Facebook? Because I keep getting requests from two factor authentication for a code.

And this has been going on for, Kristen shaking her head no. This has been going on for like seven days. Someone made a fake email of mine and has been emailing and DMing verified accounts to get them on my podcast. Oh wow. And they're reaching out and like they're like, we don't know if this is legit or not.

And I'm like, no, I don't even know who you are. Like you're verified. I don't know who you are. I didn't reach out. Oh my God. Okay. Well, back to tour. So we did have a full knockdown drag out about tour.

Tour dates start in February. I don't know if we should be saying that because we're kind of. What meeting were you a part of? See and this is what happens when there is a weak link on the team. You know, we're gonna, Lindsay and I are going to record an episode with Becky and I can't wait for y'all to listen to it. But yes, there will be tour dates in 2025 and there will be several tour dates that Lindsay is accompanying me on stage.

There may be other special guests and I think it's going to be a good time. If you thought that 2024 small little tour dates were a good time, 2025 is going to be even better. The amount of planning and cussing that has been going on in the last three weeks. The cussing is crazy. The cussing is absolutely crazy, mainly me. Also me. I think I cussed a lot last night. When you were in your?

Emotionally charged state of mind. I was going to let you speak for yourself, but yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Um, okay. People want to know if they can get a zoom meeting set up where we can drink coffee together and have a live podcast. This would be something cool. This is actually something that we discussed last year before tour like even came about that we could possibly host for people who can't go out on tour or go to cities that we're going to to host like a virtual situation.

I think UMV did that for Baby Mamas one time. We did a Gallentine's Day live. It had exclusive merch like for that specifically. And that is something that I would be interested in for 2025, but absolutely not overlapping tour. No, not overlapping tour, especially because I do weekly lives for my book club too, which would be really it's when I'm traveling a lot, it's hard to keep up with book club lives, which is like my I love then just stop reading. I'll never stop.

In fact, I actually have surpassed my 2024 goal for the books read and I'm increasing that for 2025 So I will not stop reading. I love that for you But I do think that if I give you like two or three months notice you should Try to do a book club with me like just like one Kaila would take me an entire year to read one book You're reading there's nothing a day. Yes. There's nothing interesting about reading books to me. If I can watch a movie, why do I need to do that? Okay, you watch a movie and I'll read the book.

Okay. And then we'll talk about it. Oh, that would be a good mashup. That would be a good matchup. And I'm sure that people would love that in book club. They would love to have you. Yeah. So we need to find books that have movies.

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Elijah and I wake up in the morning at the same time. And when I'm getting ready because I usually have recordings, zoom meetings, I have to I'm the one that is like face. What do they call it forward facing? I'm the forward facing parent. So I'm usually not always but I'm usually the one that is going to parent teacher conferences, meetings, doctors appointments and things of that sort. With the older kids, I'm always at sports recordings on camera. So I'm getting ready in the morning, he gets everybody

together in the morning, backpacks, lunches, all the things. He helps me put them in the car. By the time I'm done getting ready, he has them in the car locked and loaded and I take them to school. I drop them off, come back, record, do whatever I got to do, appointments, anything like that. And then I also usually pick up from school. Sometimes he fills in the gaps depending on where, like what I have going on. If there's a meeting that goes over 2.30, usually at my workday is done by 2.30 until I get back from sports and things like that.

And then, so I usually pick up, sometimes he picks up. I'm usually the one that does sports while he stays home with the baby. So when childcare leaves every single day, Monday through Friday at 4 p.m. on the dot, he takes over all baby duty, Rio, Versum Valley. Um, and I take the kids to sports or whatever their activities are. And then we both do bedtime. Usually he's cooking dinner.

So I don't and I'm probably tying loose up. I'm usually tying loose ends up in my office. If I have like anything to ship out, if I have to record, if I have to get on a meeting because I couldn't, because 2.30 is a really early day and I still have shit to do when I get back. And I'm just trying to think how else, he does the chickens in the morning

when I'm taking the kids to school So he goes and feeds all the animals He works during the day, but by 4 p.m. When our childcare leaves he takes over for the babies I think that's like the most important thing Am I missing anything? Is this the first time that you've ever had a situation to where the dynamic is like what it is because I consider that a very like normal marriage dynamic a situation to where the dynamic is like what it is because I consider that a very like normal marriage dynamic.

Javi was an equal parent in terms of being present for Lincoln. But Elijah is an equal parent and partner. And that's where it's different is that Elijah does not, he's never complained about doing any sort of household chores, household anything, childhood things where in the past, I think my partners have very much erred on the side of traditional sort of relationship duties or relationship style. Mm-hmm a relationship style even with traditional style Even with the dynamic of you being primary income

What do you mean like in your past relationships? You were also primary income I have always I think with the exception of Joe when I left I was making more like when I left his household I started making more money than he was, I was making more like when I left his household, I started making more money than he was. So I was able to move out. And I think we were too young to even like, whatever. I've always been primary income. But what do you mean? What's your question? When I was married to will, he was primary income. And I was taking on like the traditional gender role of a wife at home. I was perfectly fine with that because he was taking on like the traditional gender role of a wife at home.

I was perfectly fine with that because he was taking on the primary income. I don't believe that I would have been, actually I can speak to the fact that I was not okay when I became primary income and still doing all of those things. I became very resentful. Correct. I would agree with that. And I even sometimes feel bad now. Like with Elijah, I constantly am worried if he's

upset with me. Because up until two weeks ago, Lindsay, he did not understand what these trips were for. He didn't know I was working. Wait, what? Up until two weeks ago. He thought this was leisure? Yeah. I mean, it kind of.

But I like in for me to explain to him that like he was like what are these random trip like he finally like I don't even he didn't ask I think it just came up casually and I was like these are work trips I think that a lot of people have this idea that we're just like leisurely traveling if we go somewhere and we're seen together and it's like yes we are friends and we're seen together. And it's like, yes, we are friends and we do have a friendship, but you also have to remember

that there is business involved in that friendship. Like we're not just leaving our kids and going to fuck off for five days. I just, I feel some bad. I feel bad for Elijah sometimes because of the type of jobs that we have, he sort of is almost by default responsible to pick up my slack in the domestic responsibilities

of like laundry, cleaning the house. Like by default, he has to pick those things up. And I do feel bad because I don't think that he necessarily signed up for that. It's just sort of where the cards fell. And I constantly am double checking to make sure he's not mad at me for that. It's just sort of where the cards fell. And I constantly am double checking to make sure he's not mad at me for it. So it's something that you carry like around. Yeah. Do you think that you would ever be in a position to where those would be things that

you would enjoy doing? Because I genuinely enjoy like my Fridays, I try to use as much for personal days that I can. So I will go and do a workout or like get a blowout or meet a friend for lunch, clean my house. Like I absolutely love cleaning out my refrigerator, doing my laundry, putting my shit away, making my own bed. Like I love doing that stuff. I'm really happy for you, but I don't. I think that I got so accustomed to this like hustle and bustle that I just, I've been privileged,

I guess enough to be able to hire help. And I don't ever want to know a world where I have to go back. Like you're willing to do all of the work that you have to do so that you can have that. I would become a sex worker to pay for someone to do my laundry if I had to. Wait, come again? If I had to choose between doing my own laundry and selling my pussy, I would be on the corner of dollar general. You know what?

That does not shock me. I would like to say that it shocks me, but it genuinely doesn't. I think about how thankful I am for my life every single day. And it's come at a hefty fucking price tag of my own exploitation and telling people about shitting my pants and having sex on a sidewalk and airing out all my dirty laundry, but I would do it 10 times over.

You would make all the same decisions? Mostly. Not all of them. But I would say like a good 75%. Yes. It's a pretty high percentage for the things that you've done. Wow, girl. Yes. It's a pretty high percentage for the things that you've done. Wow, girl. I ask my kids regularly if I embarrass them because I just want to make sure I don't. And like, usually I don't.

Why would you think you embarrass your kids? Because of the shit I talk about. They know what we talk about? I mean, they're not stupid. I'm sure they have, their friends have social media. Even though I run their accounts. I mean, Isaac's not dumb, right? Like he has to know, they have to know that I've talked about shitting my pants.

Lux told me I was leaving a poop trail. Well, there are some times, and I don't know if you ever feel like this, but I think that we sometimes get on here and think that we're talking to each other and forget that there's an actual like audience that's listening to us, right? 100%.

And then I'll be somewhere in public and someone will be like, oh, well, I heard your podcast. And I'm like, I hope the fuck you didn't every time. Like, please know. Like why are we doing this to ourselves? Like we set ourselves up and then cower in a corner and we're like, Oh, please don't listen. But like, please listen. You think your kids listen to your podcasts? No, they don't listen to my podcast, but they definitely hear me talking. Do you think that your baby dads tell your kids about what's on your podcast? One of my kids caught their father listening to the podcast. What?

Yeah. I know which one it is. Do I know? Is it that one? You're going straight to hell. Straight there. One way ticket. Do you know what she did?

I'm going on a one way ticket. Straight to hell. Straight there. One way ticket. Do you know what she did? I'm going on a one way ticket straight to hell. Okay. I actually love this question. Can the girls talk about how they feel about constructive criticism versus some people just being rude and obnoxious in these groups towards them? Here's the thing backale's, I think every episode that airs in this week should be called full transparency because- Can someone look up the synonyms for transparency? Would it be like clear? Clear?

For clarity? Oh, for clarity purposes. No, I feel like transparently is very different than being clear. I can be clear about a delivery without being transparent about it. Read some synonyms. Translucency, lucidity, helicidity. I fucking hate all those.

In full lucidity? Candor. Are these adjectives? In full candor? Yeah, have you ever seen that word? Yeah. Candor. Yeah.

Is candorly a word? No, candor? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is candor Lee a word? No, candor Lee. You just made up. Okay. Just like indicted.

I got indicted. I feel like the more honest that you become with yourself, you stop caring so much about what other people say because you know that you're living your truth. And that's where I'm at. Like if I come on and say something and I was out of pocket and I've said before and co-parenting situation, I was out of pocket for that, but I don't give a fuck because I did it.

Like you stand ten toes down. Yeah, and I was honest about it and I shared about it because some people might be able to relate to it. You don't have to like it to be able to relate and you don't have to like it to listen to me. Like if you don't, if you don't want to listen to me, then don't listen to me. I respect constructive criticism when it's said when it's constructive, when it's constructive and the delivery is digestible because I think that there is constructive criticism that is given in an abrasive way.

And it sort of changes how constructive it is, right? Like what they're saying might be true, but the delivery might be so bad that it's no longer, it just cannot be taken in a constructive way. It changes the entire situation. I, I like and a constructive way. It changes the entire situation. I like and appreciate constructive criticism. I also appreciate when people are saying, you know, they don't necessarily agree with it, or it might take them time to warm up to this, or they're going to give it a chance, even though they didn't necessarily love it. They're like, okay, I'll

still give it a chance just to see how this progresses. Because I think that that's also really helpful is like, when people understand that we have to find our footing or like, maybe we misspeak on something in a way that was like, our presentation is off. And so it was like, okay, I might have said something abrasively or I misspoke and then I, but that's not actually what I meant. And just leaving room for clarity and like leaving some room for grace. Okay with seven kids shopping is hard and I have not figured out a

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like talking about co-parenting and I'm sharing a story with you about it. And I'm like, well, I did this and he did this and I'm like fuck you and your mom and your dad too All these things nobody has to agree with what I did But I'm sharing while I'm still probably emotionally triggered by whatever just happened and that's what I love about this podcast because In the traditional sense of this podcast We're supposed to be recording once a week so that we can bring it to you

when it's happening pretty close to real time. Like in real time, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I think a lot of people don't realize that a lot of the stuff is coming in real time that I'm sharing. And I'm like, yeah, I was fucking emotionally triggered. So I was emotionally triggered about it and I'm not going to fake it.

The hard part, I think, starts where we can't have a successful podcast without the audience. And so how much of the constructive criticism do we take in and actually apply? Because what do we owe them? Because they are the listeners. They are a listenership, they are the livelihood, they are all of that. But like, how do we owe them because they are the listeners. They are a listenership. They are the livelihood. They are all of that. But like, how do we remain authentic, but

also take in their critiques? Does that make sense? Am I making sense? Well, and I think also we, we come from two different worlds. So everyone that likes you is not going to like me. And the people that like me always aren't going to like you. Right. And that's okay. You can like us together. You don't going to like you. And that's okay. You can like us together. You don't have to like us separately. I don't really care about that. Do I care about the listenership?

I absolutely care about the listenership, but not to the point that I'm not going to be authentic to my true story. 100%. I had to do that in reality TV and I don't wanna do that on a podcast. Right, so at the point that it's just just you're asking us for such significant changes, it changes us.

Like it doesn't change us. It shifts what we're presenting to be and it's not authentic. And so at that point you have to make the decision whether you're going to stay as a listener. And I think also just acknowledging that we can make certain changes, but we can't always change. We can't change everything because that's not who we are. And my dad told me one time, he said, in life you will always have more haters

than you have supporters. And at the point that you have more haters than you have supporters, that's when you know you've made it. Really? And I kind of believe it. I believe there's a lot more hate than support. You don't?

Come, come over here, yeah. You don't? Come. Come over here, yeah. You don't believe that? No. You think there's more support than there is hate? I think the hate is louder, but I think there's more love, but it unfortunately is overshadowed sometimes by the hate. But I don't think that there are more haters.

Yeah, I think naturally people look at, you could look at 100 comments and you're gonna pick out the people that are being mean opposed to the people that are being nice. And I think it all really depends on what, what your popularity stems from too, right? Like, we'll get into our, like me not really knowing about your life, but like,

Kayle comes from pure controversy So that she's going to have both of those Elements in her life, but people that come from just pure goodness aren't gonna have that much hate that is like spewed out I would agree, but it's really hard to see there could be a hundred good comments and then five bad ones and I'm going to zone in on those bad ones and wonder what actually it is that is wrong with me and like why they hated whatever I said so much

when I'm just living my life and maybe the way that I said it came across wrong or they didn't want to understand where I was coming from. But I can't change who I am. But you just said it though. The haters are not. It's consuming. They're louder, but there's not more of them.

You think there's more love than hate? For sure. And I, and I acknowledge that in my, like, I have spent a lot of this work trip talking about how much hate that I see. Um, and, and I think it goes through waves. Like I see it more during certain phases of my life than others. But like, I also am acknowledging the fact that there is more love being shown, but I am acknowledging the hate more because of whatever phase of

life I'm in. So, but I, I don't know how I feel about that statement. I've heard that before. I think that the last person you should be taking advice from is probably your dad. From what I know. Well, and that's on Becky. She's like, Todd, please. I didn't have anything to do with this treatment. That is on Becky. Actually, while Becky's here, I think this will be a great one to kind of wrap up this episode. Yeah. And we're gonna do our next episode with Becky. Yeah, don't miss that one. Three similarities with each other

and three major differences. Three similarities is our end goal on a lot of things between business and personal. Similarities. I have one. What is it? I think that you guys both are very comfortable between business and personal similarities. I have one. What is it? I think that you guys both are very comfortable with confronting conflict.

I don't think you run away from it. I run away from it. No, I think we're very comfortable confronting conflict with people that we're comfortable with. Yeah, yeah. Okay, but like. Like the way that you guys speak to people, I would probably think about

that for the next seven to 10 business days of like, excuse me. Yeah. Even like your, I was, you guys spoke about your last night and so I was sitting here throughout that whole entire conversation and I was like, what am I getting myself into right now? Really? Was it bad? You live in that world, right? I don't get spoken to like that by anyone.

Chrisinn is cracking up. Yeah. So I don't. And not in, that's just, I know you. So I have to get used to that tone of speaking again. But I live with a precious angel that doesn't even raise her voice or get mad at anyone. So you both are very direct in how you feel, which is not a bad thing. It's just you both are like that.

I think we need to reword what you're saying because what is occurring currently in this moment is that you said the way that we speak to people You would never you've never been spoken to like that and you've never I don't get spoken to that Like what you're basically saying is that we are absolute hell to work with you guys are just scary Is that better or worse Skipping scared if you're scared Then maybe come back at me Is that better or worse? Being scared. If you're scared, then maybe come back at me. The thing is that I'm taking every page of my direct, anything that I have said that

is direct, I've taken from Lindsay. That is a true fucking story. The only way that I have discovered that you get what you need in business is to be very direct. I think my delivery needs to be worked on. For sure. Your intentions aren't bad. That's not what I'm saying. But your delivery is scary. But I think sometimes- My delivery was very off. I also apologize this morning.

Oh, for sure. I just want that to be clear. Because you don't have to edit this out because in full transparency Why'd your eyes fucking go with that everyone keeps making fun of me for saying transparent I My delivery was off. Yeah, I think a lot of times you can say what you want to say But there's a way to properly say it. And I think you and I both fucking fail at that all the time. Which is a similarity. That was the point to begin with.

But it was not what you said. It wasn't the way you said it was what you said. Because a lot of people think that I am a huge cunt to work with. You're not. You mean well. And the end goal is to benefit everyone. You're very selfless in your actions and it's your delivery of getting there, right? But I think that's a

commonality. That was my only point. No, we just come in. When you get or feel like you've been pushed to a wall and you feel like you aren't being heard, I think that is something common that we have. Like, when you get pushed or feel like you've been pushed so far and you're like, nothing I am fucking saying is making sense. So can you please hear me louder? Just because I'm speaking louder doesn't mean you're going to hear me louder. Lindsay also had a meltdown this morning and Alessandra got the... Yeah, you guys are fun. Alessandra got the yeah you guys are fun Alessandra was like I still have commonality though and so the Alessandra was like I still have our boogers and Lindsey's going off we're like

crucified for laughing about it just so you guys know that was my thought like we're laughing about it and people are gonna be like they think this is funny we all are have been laughing about. I mean they probably weren't laughing about it at the moment. I was like I'm not coming out of my bunk bed. I'm just not doing it. We just become best friends. Yeah. Another similarity, I think that we both are kind of loners in life. Like we don't mind being alone. I will say, you are one of the only people that I feel like I resonate with in a sense that

this life that we have created in such a weird and unexpected way with being in the public eye is actually really, really lonely. And I don't mean that by, I don't have friends that I can confide in. That's not what I mean, because I very much do. But it is something that only very few people understand. And it's a very lonely place to be.

It's very lonely and no one can understand the amount of criticism that comes sometimes. And the hate and the constant opinions. And then it's a double edged sword because it's like, well then why are we continue to put ourselves in the public eye? Well, this is how we've created our life. We've lived more of our life this way than we haven't. And I think that, you know, for a long time, Kristen would try to be supportive and she'd be like, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. But only recently, I think it's been more like,

you're valid. And I can't like sort of acknowledging that she hasn't lived in that in the public eye in the same way and so she can listen but she can't understand the same way that you can and I will say, I think that is part of the reason why I connected with Matt Matthews as much as I have, because he also has struggled with that. And I think you two specifically are the only people that I have really, really resonated with in a way that it's, it's lonely. But it's very emotionally draining. Sometimes to the point, like I feel like you found your outlet with reading and I find my outlet eating pizza rolls in my bed. In the bunk bed. Well, not, I haven't had pizza rolls in this bunk bed, but do you think we should come up with adult bunk beds? Yes. Okay. That's our next business. Can we afford those? That's our next business venture. Yeah. And that's it on Coffee Convo's for this week. If you

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Pluto TV, stream now, pay never. Hi, I'm Lauren. And I'm Chandler. And we're the hosts of Pop Apologist Podcast, a weekly podcast devoted to celebrity gossip, Hollywood deep dives, real housewives drama, and anything and everything Taylor Swift. We're two sisters who make no apologies for our love of pop culture and the fact that A-listers might mean more to us than each other. Join us on your favorite podcast app every Wednesday for Pop Apologists. Pop Apologists, your new favorite sister and celeb podcast.