Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - True Crime: Loz Feliz Murder House

Episode Date: July 18, 2022

On this month's true crime bonus episode, the Los Feliz Murder House! One night on December 6, 1959, Dr. Harold Perelson brutally murdered his wife, attempted to kill his daugher, and in the end killed himself... but that's not the weird part. This house remained untouched, unclaimed and unoccupied for 50+ years! Now THAT'S weird.. Thank you to our sponsors! Apartments: Visit Apartments.com, a place to find a place Best Fiends: Download Best Fiends FREE today on the App Store or Google Play Boll & Branch: Visit bollandbranch.com and get 15% off your first set of sheets when you use promo code COFFEECONVOS Huggies: Learn more on Huggies.com

I hate gift giving and receiving receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you This is coffee convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale That does not interest me whatsoever I feel very attacked by you a spirited discussion about motherhood friendship family and life in the public eye I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsay. That was a good voice. Oh, thanks I'm a little horse. Um, I actually think I'm allergic to the cats, but I'm keeping them anyway But I'm a little horse. So I have to clear my throat a little bit, but Welcome to coffee convos

Thanks for having me. Um As if you're not 50% owner My god, wait, so an allergy to these cats I think because I never really had allergies my whole life and now all of a sudden I'm blowing my nose constantly and I have like a Frog in my throat But they're so cute and fluffy that I just I'm not gonna get rid of them. So oh my gosh I think that you definitely have a cat allergy. You should definitely get rid of them

and then you won't have to argue about litter spills and Nasty cat shits. Yeah, I actually looked up cat shits and you're not wrong like they're foul say that it's so foul It's so foul. I don't know why what it is about cats specifically Like obviously all waste stinks and it's disgusting, but there's just something about cat waste. That is so foul God, isn't it like skinny too? I Don't know because they bury it. I have no idea. I don't scoop it I just literally start over like every time I change a litter box. I just start over. I don't

Scoop it. I'm not looking at you know what I mean Like cuz I put a liner in there and then I just it's like a trash bag. So I just Take it out and start over but I will not Wait, but like I feel like maybe I'm making this up, but I imagine in my mind that cats Shit and when they do it looks like snakes. I would imagine so I would cuz they're little, you know, yeah, right? Like their buttholes are like not big enough And now that we have discussed that anything else that's going on that you need to update me on

Anything else? I mean, I'm podcasting from home because this was my only like thing today That I really need to do I would have to run a couple errands, but I do not want to I didn't want to go to the office and So I'm podcasting from home if you hear my crotch goblins. They're the little ones are here. Isaac is camping and I and Lincoln's at basketball camp. So Do you feel like you will ever? Regret calling them crotch goblins or like this is a committed to Term of endearment. I think just think it's like our personality like my kids literally talk shit to me And it's like that's like our thing. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, so

Like we love that Kristen calls her mama hoe. She'll like I'm like Kristen mom texted me and she'll be like what that hoe say So like that's how me and my kids are like what did my son say to me yesterday? Lincoln always says some slick shit to me and so does luck. So like it's just like our personality I don't actually mean their crotch goblins. I love them to death. I cried my eyes out last night trying to rock Creed to sleep Because I was like, I love you so much. Like I'm sorry It's been a little bit rough, you know between just like the bomb getting bonded together And then also the depression and everything taking over. I'm like, I just I love you so much like I want you to know that, you know So like it's all in love. I mean, I would never call them crotch goblins. Just

You know what I mean? Would you call them that to their face? Oh, absolutely Okay, well my dad growing up. He used to be like what my band of liars and like we just knew that that was like his kids, you know Yeah, yeah, I love that well I used to say like little shit and Joe got really mad at me and was like you stop calling them little shit It's like that's not okay. You know, it's like but they're like it's a term of endearment. It's I love them They're my little shit. It's I birthed them. You know what I mean? Yes, they literally came out of my crotch And it was burning on fire when they did they were just gobbling it around like Literally wait, so before we get into this murder

I want to tell you I had therapy this morning and Wednesdays are like my favorite mornings because my house is super quiet. I have it to myself I'm able to sit on my couch in peace and just drink on a lawny and go through the therapeutic journey with my therapist and Have great conversations, but I was talking about being 32 now and being in a relationship

What that looks like and why that's so different than getting in a relationship when you're 19 years old right and You the saying is true about getting set in your ways like once they're set in their ways like there's no change in them and There are certain things that I'm like, okay Am I ever going to be able to bend on these things and she was like will give me some examples and I said, well, you know, there's like specific ways that I like things done like I'm a big no shoes in the house I think we've talked about this on coffee combos before and And the research that I've done behind why you don't wear shoes in the house

and like how many germs come in and the amount of fecal matter that are on the bottom of shoes and That kind of thing and like the way I fold my towels and the way I do my laundry and that kind of stuff and It was interesting because she was like well, tell me about your childhood and I was like, okay So I tell her and like about my parents home and you know, how we were raised to do things and how clean it was and How my parents literally had a plaque on their door on the outside It was like a custom plaque and it was like please remove your shoes as if you were walking into like this business

But it was like a way that they didn't have to tell people to remove their shoes, but like do it right right and so My therapist was like I just need to know all of the aspects of your childhood because you can When I talk about having OCD, but it's like non-diagnosed She said that that's not necessarily the case that you can be conditioned through your childhood experiences and That is not OCD. So like the things that I do Could be perceived as OCD tendencies But I was conditioned to be that way and the things that I do are because I Valued those things and kept those things and the things that I didn't value I changed and I'd be interested to know like the things that

you took with you from your childhood or Things that like you intentionally changed because you didn't value them. I just don't I Don't remember having any type of like Maybe if I give it some thought and I'll get back to you next week But I don't think that I had any like my mom didn't really the only real value that I tell my therapist about that My mom really instilled in me and it was more a Survival thing was my mom made me she always said take care of somebody else's house better than you would take care of your own And when I told my therapist that she said that that was survival because my mom would leave me places for days and weeks at a

Time like it just and like my friends parents knew like once I was there. I was gonna probably be there for probably a week Or more and so it was more like I don't want to be a burden So let me do everything that I can do clean up after myself clean up after my friends like whatever I have to do at their house so that they don't Send me home and I don't have any Anybody there does that make sense? Yes, but like other than that. I don't like my mom like we didn't have family dinners We didn't have my mom didn't make us take shoes off in the house that I can remember Like I just don't have I can't remember any values like I really can't like my parents would say things like if we left a door open

They'd be like where you raise in a barn and you would be like expected to give an answer And it's like obviously not and it's like okay Well, then why you're keeping the doors open and like right there were a lot of things that we were taught to do like you eat at a table because a table is for eating and you sleep in a bed because a bed is for sleeping and You lounge on the couch because the couch is for lounging. Okay, and I just wonder like now that you have so many crotch goblins like

Do you have specific things that you think that they will be like oh my mom did that like growing up? Oh, yeah, I mean, I think I'm over the top sometimes with them like as much as it's like fun and like we talk shit to each other I also have like very strict like hygiene things We did start taking off our shoes in that in the new house They have chores they have to do there's no option and I always tell them like since they were literally born Do what you have to do so you can do what you want to do and I will never stop instilling that do you hear my kids in the background? I don't know what they're fighting about that's locks

and the commitment thing like if you're committing to something I mean obviously and I'm now I'm Conflicted on that because I'm like okay, but in real life you can quit anything at any time So like what am I doing? Am I teaching my kids good thing or bad thing? I don't fucking know I Don't make my kids eat everything on their plate because I feel like that teaches them, you know a bad relationship with food There's just there's so much that I on both ends like but I don't make my kids do and then I do make my kids do I think that we should do homework and that you should make a list of like the things that you make your kids do that You didn't have to do growing up and I'm gonna do the same thing and then we can compare them next week. Okay. I'm down

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So let's talk about this true crime Okay, so The true crime that I picked was the Los Feliz Murder mansion. It's a murder suicide When I first heard the story last year and I sent Kristen The link to the podcast that I listened to and it literally says that I I listened to it like last March or May or something like that

I don't know why this case stuck with me But I was like I really want to do like a deep dive into this like on my own I was just so interested in this case What I did not know I think you were interested about it. Why? Because you get so invested in The homes that this kind of stuff takes place and that's exactly what happened. Yeah, I think that's why no, that's literally what happened Lindsey I Didn't I listened to the podcast I watched videos

There is a documentary that I didn't have access to because sometimes my internet is spotty, so I didn't get to watch the documentary But I will send all of the links that I used to Kristen so I Didn't expect to go to find out all this stuff about the actual house itself and people living there and so Don't get me wrong the podcast episode I listened to last year was phenomenal and it was morbid podcasts. You guys know Ash and Elena. I love them but

Upon further research, I found so much with the house itself that I just I can't even I mean I have notes and notes and notes and let me just tell you when I was trying to write all these notes my my kids Scribbled in my notebook, so I start writing the notes like it on page like three I go to turn the page and then there's like 16 Unusable pages because they scribble scrabble didn't and I'm like so I had to put like bookmarks to get to the clear the Queen's sheets Anyhow, okay, so where do we start? Okay? So we have Dr. Harold perlson and his wife Lillian

They are they buy a house in Los Feliz, which is an LA. It's a Spanish style a Spanish style mansion about 5,000 square feet and And Dr. Harold perlson is a cardiologist. He's around five seven according to his World War II card and Described by people as pretty mild mannered and a family man they have three children together they have Judy Debbie and Joel and Just kind of live like an everyday Like a normal life like a live in the American dream, I guess you could say at this time so

On the morning of December 6th, 1959 around 4 30 a.m. Dr. Harold perlson took a ball peen hammer to his wife's head while she was sleeping and Just starts whacking her with it and the coroner later revealed that unfortunately she passed away due to choking on her own blood Hmm After this Dr. Perlson goes through the master bathroom, which is connected to their oldest daughter Judy's room

But Judy's not asleep. She's awake and she sees Her father coming at her with the hammer and as he is bringing it down on her head She turns her head just enough that it literally saves her life She's still bleeding. He did hit her and fractured her skull But she's able to get up and run so she runs through the same way that her dad came into the room Which is through a master bathroom down the stairs and the layout of this house is super inconvenient They have 51 stairs out front and it wasn't until a former homeowner The last homeowners before the perlson's put in a driveway the house was built in 1920

And it didn't have a driveway all the way up and so it had 51 stairs up the front So she so Judy is running for her life and goes to a neighbor and is trying to get help during this time Joel and Debbie the younger siblings wake up and come out of their rooms And this is when their father Harold perlson says go to sleep. This is a nightmare go back to bed And I did write a note on here that um, I Always wanted to know like how they prove what was said

Because at the time of this occurring Debbie was 11 and Joel was 13 So did they say what their father said or like how do they know? You know like what I'm wondering if these facts are just based off of their account like of what Transpired that's the only thing that would make sense and the only way that they would be able to know that Right because I was just like what is going on like how do you know what someone said? So the neighbors actually hear they hear Judy screaming. That's how loud she was and trying to get help and so the name there's a neighbor that comes to the front door and

Kind of lets himself in and goes up the stairs where he finds Dr. Harold perlson and he says Leave me alone like He has there's an actual quote go home. Don't bother me is what he says to the neighbor So at this point the neighbor goes back outside to wait for the police while Harold stays inside with his wife's body From here, Dr. Perlson takes Nemba tall and codeine pills. I guess Nemba tall from what I'm looking up is like a heavy sedative Sedative

I've never heard of it. I don't know what it's used for probably like anesthesia. I don't know And he's in the bathroom and he uses a sink water and basically just like Downs the the pills so by the time the police arrive at 5 a.m. Dr. Harold perlson if he's dead on the floor next to his bed So next to the bed there was it was it was noted that there was a book on the nightstand called the divine comedy by Dante And there was not really much more information than that, which is so weird All of their furniture was left in the house and

Never touched or removed and the blood stains in the home were not really thoroughly cleaned up like there was still like spots of it and I don't know if they just didn't replace the flooring there or what But when they took a bigger look at, you know, their lives It turned out that Harold was struggling financially and he was not super thrilled with his career in his life Because back and even though he was a cardiologist in 1938 he filed a patent for a drug injecting machine that he had invented and about 10 years later he in 1949 The partner was supposed to help with the sales of his invention But instead the partner ended up taking the invention and running with it as well as

Dr. Perlson's investment into the machine and so that kind of left him, you know with Nothing and when Harold sued for damages the lawyers ultimately won I don't think Harold got much of it. He didn't recoup his investment or anything like that and In 1956 that's when the family moves into the Los Feliz house I knew I had that somewhere and like I said, it's a 5,000 square foot house It does have four four bedrooms three bathrooms the bedrooms are huge and then on the third floor was a ballroom with a full bar Not really sure

I don't really know. I never really understand like what people are Doing when they build their houses like I just feel like that's so like no driveway 51 stairs up the front I don't know. It just feels weird and I did find it a little bit weird that they bought the house in 1956 after all of these financial troubles Maybe he felt optimistic optimistic. Maybe he started to get back on track financially I don't really know and I couldn't find too much information on that So the way that the house Sits just from what I've seen It looks like it sits kind of like up on a hill

Yeah, and so I'm just wondering if the amount of stairs was because of The way that it had to be constructed for it to sit that way So I'll later on when I get into like the other thing crazy things about the house It wasn't until just the owners before The perilsons They put in a driveway that because the driveway didn't they had a driveway But it didn't go all the way up to the back of the house It only went up partial to what part of the way and then that's when you climb the 51 stairs

But at some point they did put in a driveway that went all the way to the back So I don't know why they didn't just do that to begin with Well, I don't know if it's because I know what happened at this house that I have a skewed sense, but When I look at the pictures of this house, I'm completely freaked out by it Yeah Very freaked out and then when you like why would your daughter? Why would your oldest daughter's room be connected to your master bathroom?

Well, so they didn't build the house somebody else built the house and I never I didn't understand that either like what was the purpose like The whole purpose of you know a master bedroom or the owner's suite would be to have like a separate Bathroom and bedroom from everybody else, but I thought yeah, and the bedrooms were humongous. I thought maybe the original owners At first I was like, oh, maybe there was a nursery But the original owners actually didn't like the people who built the house. They didn't actually have any biological children. Oh Wow Yeah, okay, so it's just very weird like the whole yeah, this is weird start to finish is weird

So Shortly after the move exactly just about one year later Dr. Perilson is paying for attorney's fees again But this time for his daughter Judy who got into a car accident with Joel and Debbie in the car And so fortunately, you know, the kids were they were okay they had some minor injuries and Dr. Perilson did try to sue the other driver for causing the accident. He wanted 50,000 But the only thing that he got was medical injuries covered medical

finance medical bills covered so two years later the family is struggling to recoup the losses and They're really struggling to get on track financially By 1959 so again, they moved into the house in 1956 by 1959 that's only three years Harold feels completely defeated and has already attempted suicide twice leading up to the murder suicide Wow So when dr. Perilson is hospitalized both times for the suicide attempts his family is told that He's actually being treated for heart problems

Which I thought was interesting who told the family that the doctors. Oh Weird, yeah, I think that that would be like Something that they should alert them on Considering the fact that it would be like a risk of reoccurrence since it already happened twice That's what I thought and I thought like when you're married you're what your spouse has like access to Medical records, but I guess I could be wrong. Chris. Is this true or false? Tell us You have to be named like you have to fill out like a HIPAA release that okay

Whoever's allowed to have access to your medical information when you're married. Correct. Just because you're married doesn't mean they can have access to your medical records Got it. Okay. Thanks mom. Welcome Allegedly his wife was gonna have him committed after the holidays So I don't know if I couldn't find anything on whether he knew this or not and something leads me to believe that maybe he did know That and that's why he came up with this plan Okay, so after the murder Suicide, it's it's alleged that Debbie and Judy went to live with family on the east coast and

supposedly Judy had changed her name several times because she never wanted to have you know, the stigma attached to her name or Be recognized or have any type of notoriety That I didn't find any confirmation on that It is also alleged that Joel went to Israel And really none of them none of the three of them were ever heard from again This is weird Yeah, like this is like sinister like weird shit just like so weird because I just I mean I couldn't find anything About anything else after that like what you know that the Judy

Yeah, Judy was old enough to almost like inherit the house like was there other family that stepped in like I don't nobody ever came To the Los Feliz murder mansion. So that's it was just weird So the house just sits there All of the belongings stay in there all the children's belongings stay in there like nobody does anything with this house and like I said the blood stains they were somewhat cleaned by you know authorities and you know, I guess CSI comes and they clean it up a little bit but there was still blood stains and It's just very eerie like such an eerie thing to like

No family members came forward to collect their things at all That's so weird, but like also, I wonder if they just didn't have relationships with Family feel like they wouldn't have felt comfortable to do that I don't know like if this happened whether I had a relationship with someone or not I would be like let me come get their shit Well, so it was found that Judy had written a letter to her aunt and it was found I think in her car Basically just updating her on on like the status of the family now

I guess it was never sent because I don't know why it was still in the car And it basically said like my family is having troubles again, you know, same problems different day alluding to the financial issues And so there there was some type of relationship with the aunt now It didn't specify if it was the mom sister or the dad sister So again, I'm not really sure and I only could assume that this is maybe the family the relatives that Both Judy and Debbie went to stay with I'm not sure But the creepiest part to me is that the entire house just sat there and all of the belongings were left inside Like that just feels so when my grandparents died the first thing that my uncle and my aunt did

Was to go start they went up to the house like Get things out of it. They invited me up there to help. I you know, just things like that. We just took what we wanted I think they ended up selling or yard sailing whatever was left I don't know what was in my grandparents will but maybe there was also no will so there was nothing they could do I Mean, I'm just saying based off of the fact that like I hate funerals and like never know what to do or to say to someone when someone Passes away, right? I Also feel like I would be the type of person that would take a while to go and

Retrieve someone's things that was like my loved ones things from their home. Like I probably would let it sit there for a while Mm-hmm. So I don't know. Maybe there was some of this going on or maybe there was like not a Like comfortable relationship that they would feel comfortable in going into this house or maybe just like so spooked out by what Happened that like they didn't want to be in there. Um, I did want to say though something that I don't know Why this freaked me out so bad, but like the light switch cover that had Judy's name on it. Oh, I'll get to that I Gonna get to that. Why am I so freaked out by it? I'm so freaked out by everything leading up to that because that actually was the last one of the last things that I found in my research

Okay, so The house eventually goes up for It stood still pretty much from the time that the crimes occurred to 1960 when it sold in a probate auction and this is the house plus all the things that were sold That all the things that were in it were sold to Emily and Julian and Rik is But they never moved into it. And so for they owned it but for 56 years the house It's just sits vacant vacant and essentially just crumbles Wow

But that doesn't stop like the curious neighbors and thrill seekers and things like that who want to go see like what this house is all about And so they go look to see Allegedly, there was still presents that were unopened because this is right before Christmas And they could see even like their canned goods that were still there in the house weird pretty much like a Time capsule kind of of that night that everything occurred Just like literally completely preserved. It's so weird

We're also saying that this is so weird But every other true crime case that we've talked about we've been so pissed off that everybody touched everything and now we're like Okay, this is so weird. This is so So over the years the Enrique's Emily and Julian they they did have a biological son named Rudy and they pretty much Both the couple and their son used the house as storage So they left the entire house and all of the perilsons belongings there

But then they also stacked their own things in it for like a storage unit, which I thought was really weird Yeah, and it was borderline like hoarder status So when his parents died Rudy also did not move in None of them ever removed any of their of the perilsons things not the furniture or even the children's personal belongings And like I said, nobody cleaned up all of the blood or replaced anything from that night So I misspoke earlier I said the house was built in 1920 it was actually built in 1925 by the Schumacher's and the Schumacher's were husband and wife

Like I said, they had no biological children But they did adopt a niece that they had but she could not inherit the house when they passed away Because she got pregnant and married the man Basically behind their backs and so she was basically kicked out of the will Now the Schumacher's in this house that they built they both passed away in the same month So they only lived in the house for three years, and then they both died in July of 20 of 1928 at this point all of the furniture That they had was left in the home. So that sounds super familiar

Everything was left there. Nobody did anything with it their niece that they had adopted did nothing with it, but a Mr. Schumacher's brother did try to sell it Nobody wanted this house. Nobody. He lived he listed the home with 15 different agents and Look at this house though. Like oh, I know it's it's weird when I saw your pictures of like the rooms How big the rooms were they could have been divided into two rooms each? Do you know what I mean? And then the master bathroom connecting to one of the kids rooms Like it just felt very it just was for 5,000 square feet. I mean my house is 5,000 square feet and I have six bedrooms Yeah, like you know what I mean like you weird very strange

It just felt and I wrote that down I wrote the layout was super inconvenient the driveway didn't go all the way up So you have to walk up 51 steps, but the house Wouldn't sell so the brother and his family ultimately move in but shortly after Then now this would be the the builders the Schumacher's brother. So their nephew Becomes deathly ill So they decide we'll rent the house out. We can't be here. We're gonna rent the house out now There's like this omen over the house

the first renter of this house is Silent filmmaker he rents the house Him and his wife did not finish their year lease and left in six months Then it gets rented to what like there's like ghosts or like this is like haunted well So that's what's really strange about this because one of the families Said that when they I think it was hold on I wrote it down I Believe it was

The brother's son who got deathly ill the doctors literally said that it was the house making him sick So that's why they left and decided to run it out So that's the silent filmmaker goes he rents it with his wife They left in six months. The second renter is a is a film critic and his son Donald Beaton dies in the home So hell yeah, so that I this is where I was just like mind blown because this case when I listened to it They didn't talk about any of this. They only talked about the actual murder and suicide So I didn't know any of this about the actual house, but it always just felt so eerie. It gives me very Black Dahlia house vibes. Yeah, just don't know what I was thinking of

Yes, and you just don't know what the hell went on in this house. Like yeah, you hear it becomes like almost like legend But it just feels so weird and eerie Like truly if the walls could talk literally so Donald beaten passes away in the home and The third renters are mr. And mrs. Arliss now they were actors and They were used on the flyer when the house went up for sale and for the auction to basically bring in people to hopefully buy

Or rent the house But it doesn't really work and in 1931 Finally the stoffer the stoffer family about the home and all the furnishings all the furnishings left by the shoe mockers So they eventually added the driveway to the back of the house and they ended up living there for 30 years So they felt like the curse was broken. Whatever hauntings were going on we're all lifted and

But as they got older, obviously they lived there for 30 freaking years They didn't want to keep up with the house. It was a lot of maintenance And so they decided they were gonna move into a luxury condo and they actually donated this house They donated it to Whittier college Which I thought was really interesting because I mean if the house sold which I'll get to in a second The house later sells for like 2.3 million or something like that Imagine what that would be worth back in 1931 Like how much that would be, you know what I mean so wait how much was it?

they recently sold it in 1931 it didn't say but in In 2016 it sold for 2.29 million. Oh Wow, so I wonder what it would have been worth back in, you know, 1931 So they donate the house to Whittier college and the house again sits vacant for two years That's when the college finally sells it to the perilsons in 1956 lawyer Lisa bloom eventually buys the house in 2016 At a probate auction and again 2.29 million and they wanted their their plans for the house was to update and renovate

But Los Angeles the county of Los Angeles or the town of Los Angeles said that they had to make Significant changes to the actual ground so kind of how you mentioned it sits like sort of on a hill They can't it's a structural thing and a ground thing So essentially they would have to tear down the entire structure and build something new That's what I was gonna say just because the way that it's sitting it looks like it was intentionally Built based off of the only permit that was probably given for this lot Yeah, yep, so they never moved in they never ended up doing anything with it once they realized that And I know just from building my own house and knowing Joe and V and things like watching HGTV that

Building a house to tearing a house down and then building it back up and all of that is far more expensive than it would be essentially worth so it goes back on the market in 2019 and then it sold to an LLC in 2020 and It's just assumed that at this point it will be Torn down and then something new will be in its place I mean we're only in 2022 and then COVID was a thing so I definitely think that there could be real plans to Remove the entire structure and start over but there's just so much going on in this like

History of a house that I would it almost feels eerie to like take it down and build something back up in a spot Yeah, that is really weird. I'm like the ground is literally Terrible at this point like it's ruined Y'all have known my struggle with sleep and I think part of it was not having super great sheets But I'm bringing to you great news because bowl and branch uses the best 100% organic cotton threads on earth For superior softness and better night sleep and it's like sleeping on a cloud They're not just buttery soft breathable, and I'm just like super super soft They get softer with every wash, and so I'm absolutely obsessed

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Los Feliz murder mansion and It's nearly every single family who lived there had someone died in that house It's creepy as fuck and I want to know where all of the children of the perilsons when I want to know where they are We can't find any information about them. No, they were never heard of again ever or spoke to again and then oh and then the the so I don't remember which Which selling it might have been either the 2016 one or the 2021 but a realtor goes into the house and There is a light switch cover that has Judy's name on it. It's a customized light switch cover and Stasi Stasi Schmoyer is her name is her name Stasi Schmoyer from Vanderbump

Let me look it up. It's a she's a reality star. Hold on. Yeah, I think she's like on Vanderbump. Okay, so Is that right Kristen? Is it Schmoyer? Is it Schroeder Schroeder? Thank you. Yeah, I misspoke I can't read over the scribbles when I say I'll take pictures of my notebooks. You guys can see what I mean She was fascinated by this house and wanted the light switch cover So the realtor had a screwdriver and a replacement Cover for the light switch and she actually took the Judy cover off and gave it to Stasi Wow, when you zoom into the picture and I I have a picture of the The light switch cover which I can we can post

It does in fact look like there is blood on the light switch. I Have been looking at the picture now and like Right below where you turn the light off on the left hand side. It looks like there's blood there and like possibly a tracing of like fingerprints or something like on the right hand side of blood and This cover but I'm always freaked out when I see when I go into someone's home and I see like personalized stuff like this I don't know why it freaks me out so bad But like it does and when I saw this one, I was like, holy shit That's just sinister. It's probably not even but like

I'm freaked out by it. I also want to know Why that realtor went into The home and took this like is that not theft? I Don't know because I think if it was up for a probate. Yeah, probably I think any way you look at it is probably theft But to be fair No, there's no to be fair. It's just it's the whole thing is weird Like why if that if that is in fact blood, which it does look like blood to me how nobody cleaned that up and The house was just not like

Doesn't the state usually get involved? Like don't they auction shit off because I feel like when my great-grandmother passed away I don't think she had a will maybe she did maybe she didn't I don't know but I remember like Something with the house I vaguely remember like I think the state took over the house or something you know what also is thinking to you is that if This house was in probate I'm wondering if It was maybe taped off for a period of time of like a crime scene mm-hmm and

Then like nobody was able to access it and then by the point that they would have been maybe everything was in probate So nothing could be touched. Can we just let me go through how many people died in this home? Hold on a second All right, so the shoe-mockers there's two of them Obviously the peril since so that's four the brother's son I think lived but then The son of the second renter That's five

So five people five people passed away in this home That's a lot of time. That's a lot of people in a very short period of time and a lot of people in different Situations, so it wasn't just like five people from one family like right That's weird and I also wanted to ask If he was going to kill Judy, but then he told the younger two to like go back into their rooms Like they were having a nightmare or whatever. I have two theories on this first I thought maybe he was going after Judy because he was resentful about

Having to pay the attorney's fees and then losing the lawsuit with the accident so maybe resentful towards her And so that's why he didn't go after the younger ones My other theory was he was going to go after them if he ended up killing Judy Okay, but they woke up to Judy screaming actually everyone did even the neighbors heard her screaming So that's why the neighbor came out and she went to go get help. I Um, I I don't know like I don't know if he wasn't going to go after the younger two Or if he was like go back to bed like he's coming for you next I mean not that I'm going to be in a situation to where I'm going to be murdering anybody, but I'm just like

How do you hand pick like Who's going to get it and how do you pick who goes first? I don't know. I've always wondered that that's like Chris Watts. Like how did you decide which daughter were you were going to kill first and why like? I mean obviously we're never going to get answers for this because none of us and I hope no one's listening is a murderer, but like I have always wondered that when it's like multiple people in our murder suicide or Uh multiple murder situation How they are

Is this like a planned out premeditated? Like I'm doing this first then this then this or is it like sporadic like whatever is easiest It doesn't seem to me Like this was super thought out like I definitely think maybe a little bit, but I don't think that he super duper planned it because It was said that Judy was not a like she was not a heavy sleeper and the wife was So he had to have known that the kids would have woken up at some point Well, my thoughts are that he might have been in

Like a very very very bad mental place to where he couldn't think Thoroughly and like really plan out a plan if that makes sense because He'd also tried to commit suicide two times Prior to this then it's the holiday then this happens, right? So no, this happens before the holiday before the holiday so I just think There was some kind of Plan there because he tried to execute multiple times

Yeah, so definitely some type of plan, but not super thought out very well thought out. Yeah Um, it wasn't until 2020 when the LLC bought it that they finally removed all of the Enriquezes and perilsons items and furnishings. They finally removed all of it I would just love to know like why It was left there for so long I'm trying to figure out the same thing. It's just a skeleton now just essentially waiting to be knocked down because After the 56 years that it laid it was vacant. Um, the house basically became

Like you can't fix it like there's no there is no fixing it so they'll just they just bulldoze it and then Put something very nice on there and it'll probably be haunted because the ground is ruined Yep I'm really weird about stuff like that. Like I don't know if it's in all states, but I think in the state of Georgia You have to disclose if there's ever been like a death in the home like through the disclosure I mean, I don't know that I could ever Buy a house that I knew somebody died in

It I don't know like it freaks me out. Yeah, and I don't know I didn't ask about my first house in Delaware that I That Javi and I bought but I it's old. I want to say it was built in like Either 1930s or 1960s. I can't remember which I can't I don't know why both of those numbers stick out to me But so I'm I'm sure That someone passed away in it at some point. Um, but I never asked I didn't know so it was fine um my first home My first home with my when we moved it to Pennsylvania the

The son of the couple that lived there had committed suicide on train tracks right by the house The wife ended up dying um Right before closing And we found like the weirdest shit shoved in like addicts and stuff and they like literally to this day I remember they kept their son's The bloody book bag in the evidence bag that it was like given to them in from when he committed suicide

In the closet downstairs And it was like just very weird vibes and then my dad passed away in the same house So I was like good luck to whoever gets it next That's like so yeah Oh my god, like I don't know I I definitely think that there's something to do with like ghosts and like there's been a couple of occurrences that um

Or instances that I've heard from other people and like I don't want to say what it is because it would like give the person away but Like someone like revisiting and like doing weird shit in their home and then um I remember my dad's brother his wife passed away or it was his ex-wife when she passed away, but My cousin she would give her a bath and like would set the water and stuff And she would go in there and the water would like be turned to scalding

but like The child didn't turn the water or anything like that And so I do think that there's like weird shit that like goes on In homes where people have passed away and like there's spirits there And so I just wonder if there was like some weird shit that was like going on with that in this house It's almost like the amityville horror Yeah, right? I just I wanted to go see it when we were in california um in april, but it was she did

It was a little too far. Of course a drive-by kill wants to do a drive-by on a murder house like shocker We were too consumed with going to nicole simpson's condo God Well, actually this neighbor had a friend that visited um the loce felice murder house that Wanted to go check it out and she went to go up to the door To unlock it because the screen I guess like one of the screens was broken and she got bitten by a Black widow and had to be she didn't make it very far She didn't get to see anything in the house because she had to go to the hospital. What the hell

See like it's just like weird shit like that and I will say That's why I should feel justified and always building new construction No, honestly though, I also agree with that like at this point Like for example, elisha he like when I say the barns the barn cats the barns They're actually on his property, but I'm the one that takes care of them. So they're my barn cat um he has this like multiple buildings on his property and one of them it literally looks like it could be could have been like an old apartment And there's like an outhouse and stuff because like I said, this used to be a farm

Like all both of our properties together used to be a farm So it's his house is an old farmhouse and it has like an outhouse and stuff And then one of the buildings literally looks like an apartment. I'm like I just want to go up there in the attic of like because there's like a bathroom in there a room A garage like it's like an apartment and I want to go in there and see what's in there and see what I can find And maybe there was some crazy shit that goes on, you know Best fiends you guys know that we've been playing this for years It's just really fun to play especially like you're in a waiting room or just like having free time

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There probably was some crazy shit that went on which is why I feel like Me buying new construction is the best case scenario because I think about Like the people that bought my divorce house. It's like That was a divorce house Like you're starting In a divorce house. So There's like bad juju there so we believe in this stuff like

I probably Should have had it saged like before They moved in Oh, yeah, you should have saged it and then they should have saged it Yeah, maybe they did we're unsure but i'm just like really weird about like other people's memories in a house Do you feel like this christin like are you fine with this? No, I definitely was weirded out when we moved into the house that I was in because like random Stuff would happen that was just like absolutely terrifying and like couldn't be explained

And like you feel like a crazy person by trying to tell anybody about it, especially when I was like really young um But like you could just sense the energy like it was just Like you could it's weird like guys you just can feel Different energy. So like when we moved into this house, it was not new construction But it was a flip house and like it just felt Like neutral does that make sense? Yeah, I'm pretty sure two people died at the house at will ball I'm pretty sure I've got to I've got to ask him for sure

But I'm like, okay Well, I don't have to worry about ghosts because if my recess lighting is like falling out of my ceiling It's probably because it's like a bad clip, right? Like, right? It's not a ghost like trying to come out from the ceiling You guys hate me You said a ghost trying to come out of the ceiling I'm so freaked out by it, but I have never it's weird because I have never like really been Afraid in this house, but I will say like

When my papa passed away and going to my nanny's house He didn't pass away at the house, but like he was taken from the house Um to the hospital. I still like felt such a weird feeling like going into that house So I couldn't even imagine like Buying a murder fucking mansion Yeah, I don't know how I don't know how The perilsons bought this house like it just doesn't as a cardiologist like

you Wanted to buy a house that's four people well Three people died in prior to you laid vacant several times There's very weird omens and jujus all over the place and there's no driveway Well, I guess by the time they bought it they did have a driveway, but I just don't understand it Kale's really caught up on the driveway you guys like I am because I have Because I have children and like the thought of like children and even just like older people living in this home

That have to go up 51 steps. It does not make sense to me every single day sometimes multiple times a day like what? I would love to know the architect who or the person who like mapped out this plan for this house Like I need to know they thought was going to live there because the 51 steps is concerning whether you have children or elderly We need to find the kids That's what we need to do. Yeah, anybody who's listening if it's one of the kids contact coffee humbers podcast Literally no what literally kids or grandkids like we need to find somebody I need to know I need to know Kale's not gonna rest until she sees this house in person just so we're all clear

She's like making a special Specific flight to what is a ball peen hammer like I don't think I've ever seen one I was gonna ask you that question, but I didn't want to sound stupid like I do on every other episode ball peen hammer Um, also the daughter Judy when this happened. She was 18 years old. So Why she didn't have Any control or maybe she just didn't want the house like maybe at 18. She was like, no, I'm traumatized Like I don't want anything to do with it. I don't know Okay, so I looked it up. It says a ball peen

hammer also known as a Mechanis hammer is a type of peening hammer used in metalworking it has two heads one flat And the other called the peen rounded it is distinguished from across peen hammer diagonal peen hammer point peen hammer or chisel peen hammer By having a hemispherical peen Why so many peens because when she said that I was just like wait, what what that is I It says

And why would they have one of these is my question like who's just like someone do you metalworking? Yeah, like it says a ball peen hammer was invented by a french metal worker named jack as ball peen That's unfortunate peen peen means to bend shape or flatten material It's ball shaped head Is designed for peening Like why would they have had this that's the other question that I just don't it looks painful It says what is the difference between a claw hammer and a ball peen hammer claw hammers are built to drive nails And the hardness of their steel is designed accordingly brick hammers are designed to split bricks and hit a brick chisel

Ball peen hammers are designed to strike hardened tools such as cold chisels Yeah, like why the fuck would they have had this? And like specifically buy this to like Smash someone in the head with it. I don't know. I mean, I'm sorry. That was a little sinister I wonder did this family come from israel? Like why did joe go to israel? We don't know any of these questions Like I just wish I had more information and I wish that there was just more

Kale's gonna do the genealogy next of the entire family. I'm like am I related to them because I'm so connected to the house, you know No, kale. You're not so connect. You're connected to every murder home Like let's be honest anybody who's listened to any true crime that we have ever covered You always get so invested in these houses and how you have to do drive-bys on them and weird enough We've covered a lot of cases that Have houses in los angeles Why but why did they leave the house the way it was? I don't understand why they left the house the way it was in 1979

There must have been some legal reason as why nobody could go in there. That's the only logical Thing to say Well, I'm gonna go break in it says that the only change that they have had well now that it's everything has been like taken out but for the longest time the only Um, the only change that had been made in 50 years was they installed a security system because people were like trespassing to like get in there Um, but it's completely gutted now. I guess the um, the investors with the llc They do plan to like you can see like the headlines stossi schroeder has bloody

bloody light cover from murder house Actually lorry has been found breaking and entering and has taken the murder weapon called a ball peeing humor Could you imagine the house is you know what else this house reminds me of? The one the picture that i'm looking at right now. It reminds me of the menendez brothers home because it's yes It's the architecture style with the pool and the yeah, it reminds me of Yes

Yes, that's just the architecture. I think like generally in los angeles like I feel like this is what you would see You would never see a spanish style house like over here. Could you imagine like kyle like on the land? With a spanish style home That's you know on the land um The a spanish style home like out in the woods Like I would love that that would be a dream come true But again, you would be the type of person that would be covered on a podcast 20 years from now talking about how sinister it was

That you lived out in the middle of nowhere with a spanish style home And they're going to be like what what what interested you would have spanish hanging out on the top of the roof home and i'm going to say well um the menendez brothers the perilsons um the Black dahlia they all lived in spanish style homes and so I definitely felt connected in some way that I felt the need to build One on the east coast and collect artifacts from crime scenes. Yeah, you'd be like, what's the end spell here? Well, it's a combination

Which murderer do you want first? You guys are idiot Total idiots, okay Well, if you guys have any information on this murder mansion or the family or know how to get in contact with them Our hotline is always open Um, and if you have not followed us on at coffee compost podcast on instagram You can follow us over there and subscribe to our show from any podcast app I hope that you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon. See ya