Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - True Crime Talk: Turpin Family

Episode Date: April 18, 2022

On this month's true crime bonus episode, Lindsie is joined by Kristen to cover the Turpin family who were known in the news as House of Horrors. The story starts with David and Louise Turpin's own relationship, the many neighbors and witnesses who DIDN'T call 911, and the brave escape from their daughter. Thanks to our sponsors! Ring: To learn more, go to Ring.com/CONVOS 

I hate gift giving and receiving receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you? This is coffee convos with kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels kale That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you a spirited discussion about motherhood friendship Family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's kale and Lindsay All right guys, welcome back to another episode of coffee convos podcast We are talking true crime today, and I am pretty excited about this episode I'm going to be covering this case with Kristen while kale is out of office and we have become super invested Good morning, Kristen. Hello, Lindsay. How are you? I am

Unwell always but doing well this morning. We're doing the best. It's okay. It's okay. Yes, happy Wednesday It's Wednesday now. This will air on a Monday. Yes I always have therapy on Wednesdays. So when we record on Wednesdays and like I'm coming out of therapy I don't know if I should like cry or be happy or really where I'm at, but today is a good day. So good Here we are Cheers for therapy. We all need it. Absolutely. So wait a lot of people had Requested us to cover this case back whenever we posted about it a long time ago And I had actually also received messages in my personal DM about covering it and I

Had not heard of it until I got the request. Did you I had heard about it because I just you know I'm an avid true crime lover. So I'm always seeing what's going on in that universe and when I first heard about this case It I just kept hearing House of Horrors. That's all I didn't even know the family's name I just kept hearing House of Horrors and I was like, okay This is this has got to be interesting because of that name So I started looking into it and I wasn't super invested when I first was reading it because I was very just confused About, you know, what was going on but researching it for true crime with you I am like there. I have so many thoughts and so many feelings on this entire situation

Wait, so at first I was a bit overwhelmed about covering this case because there's so many children and I was like, okay This is another douger situation that like I am terrified but after I watched the ABC 2020 special that You had sent me the escaping House of Horror with Diane Sawyer Mm-hmm. I think the coverage was so good on that and they just did a lot of

Piecing the pot, you know, like the puzzle pieces together that it made it so Intriguing to me. Oh, definitely. I mean I I watched the ABC one and then I watched the I'm gonna post the links to all of our resources obviously, but I want to say it was something like the 13 The Turpin 13 like the secrets of the family or something I definitely will say I preferred the ABC one over that one in my heads up Heads up you guys watch the ABC 2020 special escaping House of Horror if you really want to Just have like an easy watch. I felt like it was easy to watch and easy to follow and they connected the dots pretty well For the story to all make sense

But we're gonna do this coverage a little bit differently I don't know if we ever covered in chronological order before we typically bounce around so I think this will be fun and Kristen, I'm ready when you are. Okay, so this story starts David with David Turpin who is the father in this entire situation and he was born October 17th 1961 the mom Louise was born May 24th 1968 So that was the first thing that piqued my interest was there's a six to seven year age gap there

Not good with you know math on the fly, but it's six or seven years She's six years younger. Yeah, and they both lived in Princeton West Virginia And they met at the Pentecostal Church that their families attended So I automatically kind of had the similarity instantly when I heard about the 13 kids and then the church was immediately Brought up and that's how they met. I was like, oh, we're going in the dugger direction. Like I already was concerned Sam So they started dating through and Louise's father supposedly was not happy of the age difference between them Or the fact that Louise was dating at such a young age. She was 16

However, Louise's mother allowed them to date and then hit it from the father Like I would have never attempted to hide dating someone from my dad. So Can't relate there I also can't relate and like let's be honest My dad is the legitimate FBI. And so I'm like, no, that would not be a thing He finds out everything but what I will say is I don't know how much information I've shared on this but when I was in high school I always failed history and like had to go to summer school and

One of my punishments was to work in my dad's office So like I would go to summer school and then work in his office doing like odd and in things that no one wanted to do That Lindsay got to do So that was my form of punishment and my dad had this super cute intern college intern and I immediately started dating him and he was I was a Junior in high school and he was a junior in college. So there was a pretty big

Gap there as far as like life phase and I think that when You look at age gaps You say six years at this point in my life. I don't view that as a huge difference But at this point in her life, I feel like it's a pretty big gap Oh, definitely, especially when you're 16, like you have no idea who you are Like I didn't know who I was at 16. I thought I wanted to start dating at 16 I had no business dating at 16. So Especially when you're dating like that's a full grown man compared to you at 16. Yeah, like he's been on the scene for like a minute

So I did find it to be interesting that He was so smart like was formerly a computer engineer who graduated from Virginia Tech and worked at Lockheed Martin and She seemed to be more of like this goody-good girl like a Girl who was a member of the Bible Club. She sang in the choir and Was just like very involved in the church So I don't see how all of this happened like it's just so odd to me

Yeah, how they clicked that I didn't yeah, I didn't get that either So I definitely was getting weird vibes because I will say I think that it's very odd that you know He was 23. I believe so a 23 year old is Wanting to date a 16 year old definitely Raised red flags for me. Why would you not be going for someone? That's your age or even just slightly younger But it's still you know an adult and on your same someone who's legal Yeah, that too. So I definitely definitely had some red flags and then I learned through research that Luisa's sister Teresa

Said that their mother was molested by a man that they called Papaw all of her life and then the same family member molested all of the sisters They all had to keep this a secret and Louise was never protected allegedly at 14 Their grandmother walked in on Louise being molested and did not stop it or help in any way and their mom told all of the Daughters that they had to go and let him do what he wanted because he was giving the mother food to feed the girls and Teresa said that she remembers this man slipping money in her hand while he was molesting her and telling her to quote-unquote be quiet so That almost kind of clicked for me that I felt like she was

Because of this I feel like she had to grow up very quickly and was Probably a little bit more wise beyond her years if this was occurring and might have been looking for an escape Essentially to get away from what was going on in her home. I agree and I think that When people go through such traumatic Experiences anything that's better than that looks good. And so

At 16 years old she probably was just truly looking for her own escape. Yeah, so I definitely You know did kind of took away the my version of goodie goodie. It was like, okay She's experiencing severe trauma mm-hmm at home and I definitely was taken aback by that Then I learned that David Allegedly went to Luisa's school one day with a disguise on to pretend to be her dad and Sign her out of school He convinced the school to not tell anybody that she left early and they drove to Texas planning to elope But police stopped them along the way

now Luisa's mother allegedly was the one who told the police to make Louise come home, which I thought was odd since she was the one Who was willing to let her date him, but then now it's oh come home Her father was evidently very upset as the relationship had been hidden from him the whole time But ultimately he ended up saying quote. This is the life that you want. You're now an adult I love you and I'll always be your daddy, but now you can take care of yourself if this is what you want you go for it So I don't understand why the mom wanted her to come home when she's the one who was allowing this the whole time Well, I think that maybe she didn't realize that it was gonna escalate to

This and I think once she realized that it was I mean Obviously growing up most people can relate that like you go to your mom for some things and you go to your dad for some things and You hope that your parents keep your secrets and don't tell each other on some of the things that you're going to them with I feel like Maybe This kind of backfired on the mom a bit Yes, I would agree and then Teresa the

Luisa's sister said that you know that the marriage between her parents quickly turned For the worse and they separated and then ended up getting divorced because of this issue I Don't know what my parent like Anytime that I ever told any of my parents like one parent a secret I knew that it wasn't being kept a secret and I feel like when I become a parent I almost feel like there shouldn't be secrets Yeah, I mean I will say that if

Because I am a mom that if your child comes to you with something that there have been times that I've digested things that Jackson has told me and then figured out what the approach was going to be to Manage that by involving will and will is the same and so There's an understanding there But there's never been a time that I haven't been fully transparent and I feel like he hasn't been fully transparent So I agree on that. Yeah. Um, I also was disturbed by the fact that he pretended to be her dad Yeah, that's weird. It was just why is that your go-to? I don't know that just something something was it was almost like and I you know

I'm not accusing anybody of anything, but it's almost like grooming like that's what I feel like he was doing to her because of how young She was and how old he was Agreed agreed. So that was it's very disturbing but David and Louise did come back home to Princeton West Virginia and Had a small church wedding with just the two families. She was 16 when she got married and obviously had parental consent Not long after that they moved to a home near Fort Worth, Texas David was making a six-figure salary working for Lockheed Martin And according to Teresa it looked like they were doing well for themselves. They had a nice very well maintained home nice cars

Nice things seemed like they had money to pay for whatever they wanted Kind of like they were just living the dream And they started having kids and they would pay for Louise's family who didn't have money to come out once a year and visit them Where they were living at the time and they paid for everything They took them plate anywhere that they wanted to go they paid for it You know just seemed like they were very fortunate compared to where they came from And I just wonder if they were the type of like Very frugal type people that like held on to every dollar that they made so that they were afforded the luxury of being able to do that

Because as we get deeper in this I'm like, well, they weren't paying for food and shit for their kids. So You know, they probably did have the money there. Yeah, so I just Evidently at this time and I believe it because why would you invite your family out if you were actively You know neglecting and abusing your children I don't think from what I everything that I researched the abuse was happening at this time from what I looked at The neighbors did say that they noticed that the family rarely interacted with anybody in the neighborhood at all They really kept to themselves and David and Louise ended up having four more kids between 1992 and 1996 which brought their total to six children at that time

So they definitely were trying to have as big of a family as they possibly could Which everything I looked at said was part of the religion. Yeah that They had so many children because God called on them to do so, right? Which I mean some people do that. So they they definitely were doing that When the problem started Yeah, I learned that in 1992 David and Louise secretly filed for bankruptcy They were evidently having money issues and spending much more than they had

So this seemed like it was the first inclination that something was actually wrong in this, you know, made to be picture perfect family Even Teresa's family or sorry even Louise's family her sister Teresa said like she even went to her sister at one point talking about her own financial issues and Louise said she couldn't relate. She never had financial problems even though all the way back here. She filed for bankruptcy, right? So yeah in 1998 the yearly trips that were being paid for by Louise and David stopped Around this time is when it's believed from speaking to the kids now that the neglect and the abuse did start

So I'm just wondering did the neglect and abuse start because of the financial issues that were suddenly realized? Or was there some type of other trigger? so I think that Just around information that I gathered from the 2020 special That there were a lot of things that were going on that just did not Add up to me I know that it was said that the dad one of the girls had said that the dad

had had like anger issues and that He they had walked in on him punching the mother I run that too and Then outside of that that the kids never knew what side of their mother that they were gonna get so like You might get this one or you might get that one So I'm just wondering if there was some mental health issues that were going on there And then the lack of the finances

That that kind of like had something to do with it another thing that I wanted to mention briefly and we can get into more of that more of it later or now if you want but Again very dugger like Despite them being so socially conservative It was said that the couple did engage in swinging Yes, so I did see like here that this occurred after I think I want to say it was when they Louise turned 40. She had this like sudden change where she hadn't drank alcohol before She started drinking alcohol. They started going out. She wanted to experiment with other partners

He would watch Her with other men just all kinds of crazy behavior down the road So it's almost like Maybe due to the trauma she experienced. She was almost stunted at 16 for a long time and just didn't know how to cope Like yeah, all would yeah, and then I think There has to be some type of mental health issues going on here though for them to do what they jointly did to their children because there's no way that someone in the right mind frame would

think that these things were normal or even Acceptable in any way and to there's a lot of leaning back on the Bible That I found that they were using to justify Why they handled their children the way that they handled them and when I say handled abused. Oh definitely I Saw that one of the girls the oldest daughter Jennifer Said that her parents used the Bible to justify their behavior and even told the kids that they had the right to kill them

And I was like, I definitely have read the Bible didn't see that anywhere You're like that was not. Yeah, that didn't learn the same thing. So Huge concern also just like how traumatizing to your children that you're telling them that you could kill them because the Bible said so Yes, but yes again very Duggar like like it's a it's a I feel like when you add religion into the mix of a situation like this it Adds a whole other aspect than like other cases that don't have religion involved agreed, so Yeah, Jennifer had said that she saw that her father be violent towards her mother

Notice the mom also started having severe mood swings, which definitely leads me to also Like you believe that there had to be some type of mental health issues at play Jennifer was actually the only child to be allowed to attend a local elementary school for the third grade She was though bullied awful like terribly for being reportedly unkempt and smelly She was described by a former classmate as a fragile girl had pinned straight hair with bangs and often wore the same purple outfit She resorted to creating a hair tie out of a discarded tin foil wrapper from an old Hershey's chocolate bar She was removed from school after third grade and none of the kids attended Um regular like school after that. They were all homeschooled. So how awful for Jennifer to go to school and be made fun

Of because of the way that her parents were taking care of her or not taking care of her Well, and then that leads me to believe that these issues didn't all of a sudden just come on because they were neglecting her She was their first child. She's currently 33 years old But if she's going to school in literal filth Smelling whatever I guess my question is is if she's going to school like that like why was defects never called like why? Yeah, why did that not happen because now like I know and I don't know if it was the same then I would imagine for the longest time I can remember schools were mandatory reporters So if they saw something they were supposed to say something and people were supposed to get involved and I mean

I would definitely report somebody coming to school looking like that wearing the same outfit it being dirty them smelling like feces is what it was described as and Jennifer in one of the specials I watched said that that's because the home smelled that way It was coupled with the fact that they were only allowed to shower one time a year but the house there was feces and urine and and dirt and filth and trash everywhere and that smell just clung to you and I want to really emphasize this that the terpens produced 10 daughters and three sons between 1988 and

2015 Jennifer was the only Terpen child to ever go to school and after third grade No, Terpen child would ever attend school They did the fake homeschooling which according to the kids now was really the older kids trying to teach the younger kids Whatever they could because they hadn't gone to school, right? It's not like the parents were you know doing the proper Homeschooling that everyone thinks of when they hear that they were not following a curriculum. It was just a

Guys that they didn't get caught doing what they were doing to their children. Correct. Yeah, so fucking terrible It was just very very disturbing By 1999 the Terpen kids and Louise were pretty isolated the kids were being homeschooled Which really was the older kids teaching the younger kids like we just talked about They cut off Louise's family pretty much at this point and they moved to Rio Vista, Texas When the Terpens moved out the family that bought their house noticed that the house was absolutely filthy And they also noticed odd scratches on the door almost like somebody was trying to scratch their way out of the rooms Which at the time they didn't understand it

But now it makes sense because these kids were being locked in their rooms Yes, and probably we're trying to escape. Well, it said that in 1999 that at that point They were never allowed to go outside. Yeah, like ever could you imagine? No, and I feel like Now you're definitely dealing with at the least vitamin D deficiency Which can do some crazy things to your body coupled with the fact that they were only allowed to eat one time a day and God knows what they were eating. It wasn't anything nutritious. Yep, and Just the things that that does to your body and then when you're not eating the stuff

It does to your mind and then not being allowed to go outside. It's just that is torture that Outside of it just being horrible for your physical health. It's horrible for your mental health Yeah, because your brain also needs food to function properly. Correct. So Rio Vista was said to be more of a rural area in the middle of nowhere and people there valued privacy So it makes sense as to why the Terpens decided. Oh, let's pick the family up and move there because They didn't want people asking questions. They didn't want anything being seen heard nothing So at first the neighbors said that the Terpens kids were actually allowed to play with their children The neighbor noticed that the kids tried to stay out of sight of the road and found that odd and also said that they wouldn't go near

the neighbor's house so That definitely stood out to me because I was more like okay Were they told not to or were they almost afraid because of the lack of exposure to normal things at that point in their lives I think just based off of hearing the girls talk now that it was a lack of exposure Towards normal things because socially I don't think that they knew how to Properly act or engage That yeah, I mean if you're not exposed to it that makes sense The neighbor said that what stood out to her is when she asked the kids what their names were

They were very secretive wouldn't tell and they almost looked like they were gonna get in trouble if they told So that stood out to her because she's in her head, you know, why can't you tell me your name? So yeah, she definitely started getting suspicious I guess not suspicious enough to Call the police or anything, but I feel like if I saw this weird behavior happening I would call somebody That's the entire time that I was watching and researching. I was like, okay Did teacher have teachers have different rules at that time?

Like if somebody would have reported this and I don't want to like put it off on whoever it was but I'm like if the school or Administration or the teacher like if someone would have reported this about Jennifer It maybe could have prevented all the other things that happened to all of these children. Oh, definitely I and I I just think it's not blaming but I think that the kids were failed in so many ways so many times That's ultimately what it comes down to for me It's just like a failure to act on so many people's parts compared like Mixed with the parents doing what they did like these kids were failed

Well, and then I guess I have the question and maybe people who are listening that are versed on this can answer but I remember going to school with a girl All the way up until second grade and then her mom pulled her out and homeschooled her and They had to do like these homeschool groups There was like all this testing that had to be done that they would have to go to like these group settings to do and She would have to turn certain things in I believe to like the state and I'm just wondering like was any of that being done and How did people not know that these children were being neglected in this way? So from what I researched about the homeschool situation

They were supposed to get checked up on and just slipped through the cracks. So again, it's just Failure like it's just a failure on another Agencies part they just never were checked up on nothing was followed up on they just got away with it Which is just like awful because it's like what are the odds of this continuously happening over and over and over again? And yeah, I mean the odds were very high in this case So that makes you think where else? How many other people is this happening to so I mean what was most? Everything was disturbing, but like what's so disturbing is that there was so many children involved for like every

One of these kids to be failed not to say that like it would make it better if there was like one child I'm not saying that but what I'm saying is I feel like it would probably be easier to fly under the radar with less kids But like with this many people involved and like no one knowing or doing anything. It's insane to me Mm-hmm. No, I agree So the neighbor also said and this really got to me the neighbor said that the kids hands were very very white However, the rest of them was filthy and when she asked the kids about it They said that if they went past their wrist, it was wasting water and I'm just like right there that nothing else made me call like the police or

CPS or something like that right there would have made me call who is letting children Walk around that filthy that their hands compared to the rest of their body are two different colors Moral of the story is no one should ever bring Any kind of shady situation around Kristen or myself because we are calling the law like Yeah, you're not innocent and she'll prove in guilty with me. You are automatically guilty until proven You're automatically guilty. Absolutely. Absolutely So at that point David and Louise stopped letting the kids play with the neighbor kids

The neighbor said that the kids at that point would only be allowed to go out after dark She would hear them playing but wouldn't see them And the house was a complete ghost town during the day almost like there was absolutely nobody there And they also noticed that the house lights would be on all night long. So To me, it's almost like they switched and they started living a very nocturnal lifestyle Which has its own terrible? Yeah, I Didn't even think about that. I'm like wait, but that makes sense. Yeah, because who's sleeping with all those lights on

There's no way so I feel like they probably pivoted their day So the kids would be sleeping in quiet during the day So that nobody would see them hear them nothing and want to go looking and then at night They felt safer because you can't see in the dark. Correct like To me, it's almost like they had the kids had their nights and days mixed up like they were kind of like groomed to Do their day backwards. Well, I feel like that's like another form of torture in my opinion Yeah, that's torture the outside and the daylight and it's like just that has to just like I don't know how these kids survived Honestly, I don't me either

The neighbor said that she also noticed brand new bikes outside for all of the kids that were never touched almost like it was Staged to make it look like oh, they have things like oh, yep, everyone knows there's kids that live here They have bikes. They have toys. They have this they have that but they weren't letting the kids do anything with any of the Stuff that they had So these poor kids probably had to look at these bikes day in and day out Knowing that they were not allowed to even use them or ride it. It's like it's like okay, for example Jackson wanted this Thing from the mall and it's like all these old school like video games compartmentalized into one

it's got like 600 video games and He was like mom. I really want that and I was like Jackson. I'm literally not paying for that just like on a random Sunday for you to get that like you have to get it for something, right? But it's been sitting in my house and I feel so guilty knowing that it's sitting there and like he can't play with it until Easter so I can't even imagine like having bikes and stuff like that and then my child not being allowed to Use it ride it play with it like nothing like that to me is torture. It's cruel

It's just cruel behavior and just like one more thing like why just what I don't understand the mentality besides to be Awful to your children. So there was a story that came out that people reportedly saw the two oldest boys Digging in a trash can but again No one ever thought that was odd enough to report to anybody if I saw two older boys Digging in a trash can. I'm stopping because are you hiding a body? Are you trying to find food? What's happening? Yeah, and like we need to know exactly What the hell is going on and like why you're dumpster diving, right? Like I'm not just by passing that being like oh look someone's digging in a trash can. No, I want to know why

Agreed agreed. So it's just I don't know. I don't know. It's just almost like so many people just turn to blind eye Because oh, well, it's not my problem. That's how I feel. That's exactly happening to me Yeah, it's not happening to me. So it's not my problem. So I also found out that in 2001 and 2003 The Hill County Sheriff's deputies were called out to the Turpins home over two different animal incidents One was a four-year-old daughter was bit by a border collie and even had to get taken to the hospital to have stitches and again Nobody reported anything. So at this time, we know that they're filthy. They're pale They're not up to the weight that they should be they don't know things that they should know because they're not going to school or being educated And nobody thought that this was odd between the police and the hospital staff and like what would have been the

Justification that the parents would have given and were they ever questioned like when this child was taken to the hospital Were they ever questioned like why is your child so filthy and like smelling like a garbage truck like why? Apparently they weren't that doesn't make sense to me. No, it makes absolutely no sense. So apparently they weren't they were never questioned the cops never even asked to go inside or to talk to any of the other kids or anything like that and They ended up back out there in 2003 because I guess the Turpins had Pigs and one of their pigs got out and went to a neighbor's house and ate a 50 pound 55 pound bag of dog food and I guess I don't know why the neighbor called the police over it but the neighbor called the police and

They came back out and they talked to them the Turpins had to replace the dog food make sure their pigs were locked up But again, nobody checked on the kids. Nobody my question is why did they have pigs? I think they couldn't even take care of their kids. Like why do they have pigs and were they killing them to eat them? Or oh my god, I didn't think about that. Oh Because that would be the only thing that I could think of Wow. I didn't think about that. Mmm. I don't know If someone knows tell us, but also I don't want to know because no I'm like, I want to know but like I don't want to know. Yeah Um, so I just was shocked hearing that they did have two separate law enforcement encounters and then one

You know hospital encounter which all of the above are People who should be trained to see these things and I'm like, okay did they not have proper training to identify what was going on and they thought the family was just weird or Did it not look suspicious enough like I just know all I know is no reports were ever filed with CPS There was nothing ever reported about it. So it's just again a failure Well, we know We know that the parents probably didn't have enough foresight to like clean that child up before it was taken to the hospital Because they weren't cleaning Jennifer up to send her to school. So, right?

I I just find it very hard to believe that there was encounters with this amount of people and And no one thought that it was like odd suspect like we should maybe get someone else involved I don't know. Yeah, nothing. Just it's crazy to me So and one of the documentaries I watched Jennifer and Jordan said that they remember not being allowed to go near the windows To look out of them during the day and they were actually even forced to sit down So they couldn't be seen standing up through the windows So I'm just like, can you imagine being told that you can't stand up for the entire length of daylight? and I guess my question is is like did both of these parents have the same mental illness or

Did they have different ones and then just all of a sudden became like this Toxic team that did this their children because I mean in most situations Situations that I've ever known of if like one parent has something going on like the other parent is usually like the voice of reason But like in this case it was like this partnership to do all of this stuff to their children so I also learned that I guess when the Everybody was in court once they were free and the charges were brought against the parents Jordan said that her she said that her father also molested her Yeah, and you'd think that the mom

Would be on the lookout for that because it happened to her But also me maybe she turned a blind eye to it because it happened to her well imagine Being groomed to think that that was okay your whole life and then yeah You know you get married you get out of that life and then you see it happening Happening to your child not to defend her but I'm just wondering if the thought process was like well, this is maybe normal because that was her normal Yeah, like maybe she just never got out of that thought process because yeah

If we go back to the fact that I think that David groomed her to get her to marry him That is sexual abuse in and of itself and just given their age correct so That is that is a possibility too, but I just think that obviously the father clearly had stuff wrong with him too David was sure not Not innocent from the get-go. Um, you're not gonna tell me that all of this stuff is happening and Going on for such long periods of time and hit if he was

Normal and he was that term very loosely Um He would have been the reporter Mm-hmm. Yeah, nobody's gonna let this anybody in their right frame of mind is not gonna let this stuff happen to their kids correct, so I Also read that in 2010 one of the turpent daughters escaped the home and is found down the road from their home Yes, she had taken like and from what everyone described it was a very long journey through the woods and all this stuff to get to where she got on the road away from the house and

Somebody picked her up and she allegedly asked Her to call 911 and asked how to get an apartment a car Etc to get away from here how to start a new life somewhere else and this woman who picked her up Did not call 911 did not take her to the police did not take her to a hospital took her right the fuck back home so I will say that Same thing when it happened January 14th of 2018 when you know, Jordan ran away from home that maybe the person that picked her up thought that she was like a troubled runaway child and

Needed to be taken back to her parents like I don't know that a Person that's driving down the road that sees this runaway and is asking all of these questions Would think otherwise right like I don't know that it would your mind would necessarily jump to oh this child has lived like this horrific Life the thoughts probably gonna be this child is a runaway. This child is troubled. This child needs to be taken back to their parents That's probably the like natural thought process It could I think yeah, I mean you're probably right. I think I'm just so suspect that if that happened I would immediately be going to the nearest police station like they can tell me that your parents are fine correct

So that was unfortunate because the courage it probably took her to escape and to try and get help and try and run Away and then get getting brought back to the people who have used you your entire life knowing that you're gonna be in Terrible trouble when you get home. I can't imagine. Well, that's what I say That's what I say about the system though like okay school reports that they believe a child's being abused at home and They send defects out part-minute social services CPS whatever you want to call it

Send them out to do this investigation They still leave the kids there after they've investigated So it makes it very hard for children to like actually report what what is going on because The way that the system is set up like it should be set up to where if the child they go out the child reports abuse that they're immediately removed from the home, but I Could imagine that these children if given the opportunity probably were so fearful for their life to be killed That that wouldn't even like I just wonder what that would have looked like if like CPS would have ever talked to them, you know

Yeah, it's almost it's almost like if they just got talked to it I don't know if CPS would have believed them because how wild this all sounded and then in further investigation I saw that some of the kids said that they were told that CPS was basically evil and that they would Take all of the kids and separate them forever they'd never be allowed to see each other again if any of the kids ever talk to them or Talk to people that they weren't supposed to talk to or told anybody anything that they weren't supposed to and the parents even coached them How to answer certain questions if they happen to be asked them So because they weren't in school and it wasn't a real homeschooling program these kids had no idea what grade they were in

They knew how old they were they didn't know what grade they were in so they would get told by their parents like oh you're in third grade you're in seventh grade and they'd have to memorize this and And Jordan and Jennifer on the one interview said like sometimes they would get tripped up and they'd have to be like oh wait What grade am I supposed to be in because they had no idea? So like I I don't even know if they would have trusted anybody enough to tell them during this during that time They literally had no identity Yeah, no like not at all and part of me wonders how do they even know how old they were did they celebrate birthdays? Did the parents know their birthday? Like what did that look like?

Um So Louise ended up having five more kids in Rio Vista and quick succession Which also to me is like okay, so according to their religion They're supposed to have as many as they can But also when you're having them in quick succession like why are you doing that? You already don't take care of the ones that you have You have a ton. Why are you just popping these kids out like pez? Is there are they serving some purpose for you like are they serving some weird purpose for you?

While they're infants like and then you get sick of them when they hit a certain age Are you also neglecting the infants and just hoping they survive like my mind is just there's no way There's no way that they were neglecting The infants they would have never survived Right, so it's like out. I mean just like realistically you'd think that or maybe the older kids were taking care of the babies That's what I think was happening. I think the older kids were taking care of them But I'm just like, okay, like you guys filed for bankruptcy. You like your money. You're still overspending at this point Why do you keep having kids?

Because they were called to do so I Just I don't know which is like complete brainwashing by religion anyway because it's like like I believe in the power of prayer and We all know love going to church but If someone was like I'm being called to like Have as many children. I'd be like wait. No one said that right like No, like where did this come from and furthermore? Okay, cool

Be called to have as many as you want but take care of them. Correct. Like don't have more than you can take care of So that was just very strange to me Jordan and Jennifer said that the parents would leave the older children with a few groceries for a week at a time and that they would take the young like the younger ones with them and Jordan even said that she had to eat ketchup mustard and even ice to survive Jennifer since she was the oldest was left to discipline the kids by putting them in cages and if she didn't do it she was punished even worse herself and She said that many times she had suicidal thoughts and just wanted to die

Which yeah, I can imagine She said that she just wanted to end it all But imagine having that burden placed on you one to like discipline children that are your siblings not even your children Two to discipline them in a way that is completely inhumane And then if you didn't do it then the punishment fell back on you and was far worse than putting them in the cage Just imagine I literally can't and part of me also is so intrigued at How without any outside influences and this is all that most of these kids knew was this life The fact that they all knew that this was wrong is so interesting to me

Yeah, because you get told that you learn right from wrong by your parents and by experiences But if you're only experiencing wrong, you're not seeing right How the hell did they know that this was wrong? I mean that's a good Thought I mean I don't know like that's not like psychological like I'm cool I don't have any Psychiatrists or psychologists out there that know anything about that But I'm very interested to know how they developed that right from wrong the only thing that I can think is maybe

They started gathering like Jennifer had that exposure to school up until third grade and then Maybe like the little interaction that they had with the neighbors that like they knew that their life was different Could be you know, that's the only thing that I can think because Jennifer would have Definitely had way more knowledge than the others because she had exposure that the others didn't and Jennifer would have known the difference Between like day and night because she would have had to go into school in the day. Yes So maybe that she was teaching them everything. Yeah, that's the only thing I can think yeah So everyone knows about the ring video doorbell But I don't know if you guys know but ring makes an award-winning alarm

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Different things they said that it said that when the neighbors like went in there that there was ropes Like beds with like ropes tied on the inside of the house along with dead cats and piles of garbage my thought here is Okay, again you see beds with ropes tied to them and like you didn't call to like Report any of this to anyone to like try to locate these people to be like why the fuck? Did you guys have ropes and your house that filthy with that many children? Well, yeah, and the neighbor actually said like at first she thought that it was something that the kids had done

But I'm like what kid is tying shit to their beds Yeah, that's just no it's just again. We see that if we went into a home And we saw that and here's the thing the neighbors had to have thought some weird shit to enter in there anyway Oh, yeah. Yeah, they definitely were like snooping like oh, they were weird. I want to see how they lived So they enter in there and they're like, oh, okay, like this is some weird shit And then they still don't report any of that. It's just odd Yeah, well and then the way that they left is odd almost like they were on the run Yeah, and maybe just like people weren't snitches back then but like I saw some shit like that

I'm calling I'm calling 911 immediately. I'm calling everybody. Everybody. I'm calling 911, CPS, like, oh Absolutely everyone So the turpents ended up moving to California and according to the kids the abuse and neglect worsened when they moved there the kids would be accused of stealing food when they were eating and they would be severely punished for eating and I just am like, how do you starve your child? Like you grew them gave birth to them What I don't understand Well, it said that the in the one documentary the 2021 that

The siblings had been chained up on their bed because they stole their mother's food Mm-hmm Yeah, so that was a frequent punishment was that they a lot of them would get chained up for quote-unquote stealing food when they were just trying to eat to survive and I guess my thoughts are as a mother and I'm sure plenty of women who are listening to this As a mother my child would eat first like if I was in the situation where I had to choose if I'm eating or if my kids eating My kids eating first Yeah, I think any

logical person would agree so I don't have human kids, but like my dogs would eat before I eat. Yeah, and I'm just so That's just so odd to me, but then goes back to there had to have been mental health issues going on here because of the level of selfishness and just a lack of desire on the mother's behalf to

Provide and take care of her children. Something had to mentally be going on Definitely at this point when I was researching this I was like, okay hands down something something is wrong. Yeah The Turpins evidently would also it wasn't always Just everyone's in the house They would have these random occasional family outings and they would make it seem like they were the absolute perfect family and take pictures and Clean up their kids. I am guessing that they aligned these outings with their once a year Shower baths. Yeah Would be my guess and during this time that this was going on. I think that

Neighbors had said that the children when they would see them I guess when they're going to do this stuff that they were quiet unless someone spoke, you know to them and and that the children's defense was to kind of be like invisible and oh, yeah that they would do weird things like instead of walking they would skip and were very visibly malnourished and pale and they would like I guess take these family photos and

And we're posted on Facebook at this time to have this Appearance that they were just like this one big happy family. My question is is like I guess they played it off that they Only took pictures one time a year and like only posted one time like I don't know like that's weird It's definitely strange. I don't know I Again anybody that was a Facebook friend of theirs how the hell are you not seeing that something is very very very wrong? Well, and at this time one of Louise's sisters

said that David and Louise Refused to let her see the kids and then another sister had said that she had been very concerned about the children's weight and I don't know if because of those things started happening That's why they would now do these family outings to like appear like this perfect happy family It could be as like a cover, but yeah, my other thing is if you're that concerned. Why did you not call the police? Yeah, I don't I do not understand that is the ongoing question of this whole case the whole time I'm like yanking my hair out like why the hell did someone not call like I get minding your own business and letting people, you know

Live their lives, but when you know something like you just know you have that gut feeling Listen to it. Yes so That was not I don't know that just bothered me the whole entire time So at this point at 40 Louise evidently decided she wanted to let loose That's when she was experimenting with different partners. They engaged in swinging behavior She started drinking alcohol all the things that she had never done and to me it was almost like She was acting like she was 21

Well, and I think that sometimes This often happens when people Get married very very young and they don't get to experience Any life that then the desire becomes heavier to experience what they missed However, I'm like you go out here have all of these kids are abusing children Clearly have mental health issues going on and now you're going to start experimenting swinging, but yet you are just these Bible thumpers that

You know are Allowing the Bible to lead your life and you're believing it word-for-word and you're You are interpreting things in the Bible in the way that you want them to apply like This is all just a very weird to me Yeah, no agreed agreed. I think that the Bible was honestly just an excuse. There's no way that any person with Because this ain't the way I read it Literally I did not read it this way either, so I don't know what version they were reading It was not that one key James correct one. No, absolutely not

They ended up moving again. They moved to Paris, California The children at this point are receiving one meal a day and one shower per year that we obviously know of They were not allowed to have toys or anything like that. However, Louise evidently was said to have obviously a shopping issue and She would buy so many toys and these kids were never allowed to play with them and just stacks and stacks and stacks of toys sitting in their living room that would be found and No one was allowed to play with them still in their boxes She would buy clothes that the kids weren't allowed to wear still fresh had tags on them Just I that like to me. You're sick. Like there's something wrong. Yeah, like there's a legitimate illness going on here

like it's not I don't know like it's not You are doing nothing for your children, but you're buying all of this shit and just letting it sit there Evidently, I don't know what kind of mental illness you do that in I've never I've never seen that so Unless my won't this kind of just popped in my head, but maybe she was buying that shit for herself because she couldn't when she was a kid I mean, that's true, too But like I wish I was an inner child more I wish we knew more about like exactly what she was purchasing were these items that would have like fit the children were these things No, well some from from what I saw in research. It was like some stuff that because she had such an age range

They would fit the kids, but she wouldn't let them wear them She would buy all kinds of pretty dresses that the girls were never allowed to wear All different kinds of toys that were brand new not like they were, you know But on like a yard sale site. No, these were brand new toys Everything was just brand new they the parents stocked there for it like the fridge with and freezer with all of their favorite foods And all the things that they wanted to eat meanwhile aren't feeding their kids. So I I I don't know Alarmed. Oh Definitely, definitely alarmed. So

At this point they ended up allowing their eldest son to take a class at community college Which that threw me off because none of the kids had gone to school since Jennifer ended the third grade So now you're putting you're letting your eldest son go take a class at a community college looking the way that he looks Is that the one that had the cell phone that ended up? I believe most from what I was hearing a lot of the older kids actually had cell phones because the parents wanted to be able to Give them instructions at all times But cell phones to give instructions in the house that they were all in at all times Evidently, I guess well

They had said that the mom would like just go out and do shit probably when she was going out shopping And then the dad was working. I mean, I'm just like, okay, if you're doing all this stuff Why would you give your kids cell phones? It right unless you know for a fact that you have the like fear of God instilled in them That they're not going to out you so I mean you went to a community college and And one of the people that were there that they spoke to after this all came to light Said that they remember him and any time that there was free food the students would notice him standing there and just continuing to eat and eat and eat as if he had never eaten before and

I'm just like that coupled with the way that these kids were clearly visibly malnourished again Why did somebody not say something? We don't know we don't know like they are encountering all of these people throughout the years of this and nobody Was concerned enough at the time to say anything but now that it all came to light. Oh, well, we remember this Oh, we remember that well, okay great and And not like not really faulting you but just like what the hell were you thinking at the time? they weren't and

Here's the thing with true mental illness It's sad, but like they probably had themselves convinced that they were doing like the right things because If you think about it just the one Example of them sending Jennifer to school so visibly filthy and stinky If they were trying to cover up something they would have cleaned her before she went to school like Yeah, they did a lot of this is but like if they were in the right headspace They would have done that before sending her off to school This is true. So it's not they weren't really even trying to cover it

But then at the same time at home They weren't letting the kids do anything and then they tell them, you know CPS will take you away You won't see your family to get them to not talk but like also weren't that concerned about getting caught in the first place Right. Yeah. Yeah The older turpin children did have phones so that the parents could always contact them Jordan Turpin at 17 Would snuck a phone and she would secretly watch videos

Including Justin Bieber videos and she realized at that point that her world was not normal. She wanted to talk to other people She wanted to experience what she was seeing in the videos and she started recording herself singing in secret She would go into the bathroom and she would make up songs and she would sing them and post them to YouTube People picked up on the odd things that they were seeing and they told they told her in the comments to call 911 So that is where she evidently got that idea about calling 911 was from her talking to people online Which I guess the parents is very much underestimated How the kids could use the cell phones, I guess I think that they thought that they wouldn't and that they were so In control. Um, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I definitely think that and I'm just like don't underestimate the power of a 17 year old girl

Yeah, like the willpower is like no other I remember being 17. You couldn't tell me shit Yeah, oh my god So Then Jordan escaped January 14th 2018 yep while everyone was sleeping. It said that the call the escape was at 549 a.m.

and when she Had the conversation on the phone She said that she just ran away from home because I live in a family of 15 where we have abusing parents They hit us they allow us They throw us across the room. They pull out our hair. They yank our hair out my two little sisters right now are chained up I've never been out. I don't go out much. So I don't know anything about the streets or anything The reason I ran away from home was because chains were making places and they would wake up at night

And would start crying and they wanted me to call somebody and tell them sometimes I wake up and I can't breathe because how dirty the house is because we never take baths You could definitely tell in this call that she had never like really had any interaction with anyone outside of Her family because she didn't know how to talk to another human being. Yes to the strange The first thing I noticed was that it she sounded like she was seven or eight not seventeen So to me it was like not only did she not talk to people, but she probably didn't talk a lot at home either, right? So that definitely stuck out stuck out to me and just She was so anxious and I you could pick up on that through the phone call

Like you could tell that she had been traumatized You could tell she was terrified and it was so so sad But at the same time you could tell that like she was being so strong and I'm like where did you even get the willpower? I know I'm like it had to It had to been like one of those situations where she mentally Broke and was like there's nothing that's gonna stop me from not trying to get out, right, right? So when the officer arrived on the scene He started asking her if she had taken any medication and she didn't even know what medication was and that

Was like wait what yeah, I was like wait, but then she said like robitussin mm-hmm That they had had that before but I think that he was more along the lines of like are you Saying right now like are you yes, that's the vibe I got and I kind of was like a little peeved when I heard him say that because I'm like really like that's but I get it Like I do get it, but just obviously knowing the backstory ahead of time. I'm like, oh come on You had to ask her that but it's I get it said that like in that

He arrives at 6 11 a.m. And this was all caught on the deputy's body cam Her saying that her siblings are chained up on their bed because they stole their mother's food That they had never talked to anyone outside of her family before or had never been alone with another person and then there was photos on the phone of them chained up that Jordan had taken and She showed the deputy that and at that point. I think that's where it took the turn I don't think that He would have taken it as seriously it had he not seen the photo, which is so sad

and then The deputy had said that the children looked very sad Mount nutrition like Mount nourished and very pale And so since he had seen the photo the deputy said that Jordan had been at that point identified a possible crime that was in progress He asked if they had ever like a you know Abused her or whatever and she said that they had choked her and she was afraid that they would kill her and Outside of the other siblings being tied up one of her brothers was also chained up

So I think it was like girls or whatever so 723 a.m. So you're talking he gets there talks to her at 6 11 by 7 23 a.m. They're doing a welfare check And since a child could be in danger They do not need a warrant to be able to enter the house And I didn't know that information. That was something that was news to me and they knocked for a solid two minutes and ten seconds and When they went in the chamber of horrors for almost 30 years that had been going on

was visible and Visibly the parents began to panic or the mom begins to panic I don't watching the the body cam footage of them going up to the door and the David and Louise coming to the door Yes, like The fact that the stuff that she was asking oh who called why what did they say? You know oh then as soon as she realized they were coming in oh, you know, we're moving So we're packing and everything's a mess Like did you think that was gonna make the police not come in and you're like oh does that?

that explained the Handcuffs that are like on the beds like yeah, the shackles the human feces on the ground. Yeah trash But I'm sorry I've moved before but like I didn't shit on the floor right the thing that was so weird to me was the fact that David still stood in the door as if he thought he was really gonna block these police officers from coming inside He never moved the officer had to physically move his body to slide into the house because David would not move Just so sick and I'm like oh are you do you really think that you're inside like just came off across like very Like he thought he was some sort of authority himself

Yeah, he was delusional for sure So as well and he looked it like he looked like Something was going on. I don't know I honestly at first when I saw him. I was like is he on drugs? Yeah, like maybe they were on drugs like he just looked very Not like a healthy person should look so That was that was definitely odd And then I was and you might be able to clear this up for me I was a little confused with what the officer was saying when he said he was going through and trying to figure trying to find someone who was still

Chained up was he basically saying that nothing could be done if none of them were still chained? I don't know because see I did not know that you could enter a home without a warrant. I Didn't know that there was like that loophole since a child could be in danger that like they could enter without out any type of warrant so I Don't know about that like what would be the rules and maybe someone listening can tell us like what's the law on that like if they Show up and they see all of this stuff because they're not chained up. Can they not take them because it's It's an illusion. It's not like they didn't physically see it like Yeah, I want to know I need to know because

the way that he was saying it during the ABC special was that we just we were trying it with every bedroom we came across and nobody was chained, right? Yeah, then it came to light that that's what took the parents so long. They were trying to unchain everyone before they answered the door Oh, that's what took the two minutes and the ten seconds for them to answer the door. Yeah They were trying to unchain everybody and then the ones that were still found chained were in like a hidden back bedroom Yeah, because they didn't have enough time to get to them and probably didn't think that they would look that far Right and they probably they probably also thought that they can't come in without a warrant because David said in the body camp footage Do you have a warrant and they said we don't need one?

What a crazy person. Yeah, so four years later after This has gone on and the ABC 2020 special with Diane Sawyer They talk about our Jordan talks about how she had a very hard time calling 911 And when they answered she did not know what to do because she had never talked to someone on the phone Imagine being 17 years old and never have talking to someone on never talked to someone on the phone before and then she goes into detail about being on the road when the police came and that she didn't know what a sidewalk was because she had

never been on one and Something I was like, okay. This is so I mean whole thing sad but when she was asked by the dispatcher what Her street address was she gave them the zip code and I was like, oh my god Like when she was started reading off the numbers my heart sank and I was like, oh my god Same I was like, they're not gonna find her. That was my first reaction I was like, they're not gonna find her and my second was like this girl doesn't even know what an address is

so when doctors and nurses Finally got involved It was said that they wept at what they saw Children that had difficulty walk walking stunted growth heart damage from lack of nutrients and a preteen Whose arm was the size of four and a half month old Speech and language limited from a lack of socialization and isolation. I was horrified by I was horrified like even the weights like I think that if I'm not mistaken

Jennifer so she was the oldest she was 29. I believe when they rescued her She was 84 pounds at 29 years old and think about how sad Jennifer was talking about the first place that they went and Then we're just talking about how they were so excited to like be able to smell the air and yeah at the park. Yep, and To me those are just things that are just part of life, right? It's like that's just a A natural part of life. You smell that you're in the grass like every day It's like take you take it for granted. Yeah, because it's so you're so used to it

It's all this is like a very bad comparison, but it's almost like when you get a cold You don't appreciate being able to just breathe until you get a cold. Yeah. Yeah. How awful I just was Like that. I I don't know how none of them died So like the aftermath of it all it said that the children had spent several weeks in the hospital Six minors were put into two foster homes doctors treated various issues like I said including like the heart damage cognitive impairments and Neuropathy and five of the younger children were housed in foster care with a family where abuse allegedly took place October 2019 they were adopted by that family while the abuse was occurring

The foster family was arrested in charge with abusing multiple children in their care including at least one turpin child It was said in early 2000 our 2020 The Riverside County Deputy District Attorney said that some of the children are living independently living in their own apartment and have Jobs that are going to school some volunteer in the community. They go to church one had graduated from college and I Just

Could not imagine the children who were housed in that foster home where abuse was taking place like They had been rescued and thought that They were being helped only to be placed back into a home that Had its own horrors. Yeah. Yeah, I saw that. I also saw that Um two children were two of the younger children were molested in a different home that they were in And I just was sick. I'm like again. You were failed again. Like that's just all I kept thinking and then the older children were supposed to be being taken care of and helped to Acclimate to like real life because they had no idea how to take care of themselves even though that they were all adults

Um, and it was reported that some of them were actually Became homeless others were living in squalor and in crime-ridden neighborhoods The money that was raised by the public is apparently very hard to access for them One of the children came forward and said he was denied the money he requested to purchase a bicycle It's being kept a secret where the almost 600 000 dollars in funds has gone Or is and why the children's access is being denied. No one is giving any answers to ABC to anybody who reaches out not to the children the children went to the attorney that They had for this entire situation and he said oh like not my job basically

um It came out that the deputy public guardian assigned to the seven adult children's cases told the kids on several occasions to quote Unquote just google it instead of doing her job and answering questions and helping them to navigate life So it was said that this case is considered extraordinary for numerous reasons Um, including that the abuse was inflicted on multiple children by both parents. So I think that that's typically Rare and the calculated and systematic nature of the abuse and torture um These children they're free

Free now, but will suffer the long-term effects of this until the day they die And for that I have no words. I'm sick. Like I am literally Sick. Um, do you want to talk about the legal proceedings before we go? Sure Let's do it. I'll let you yeah Okay, so the turpans were charged with 12 counts of torture 12 counts of false imprison And false imprisonment seven counts of abuse of a dependent adult and six counts of child abuse um

David did receive an additional charge of a lewd act on a child under 14 They were held in lieu of bail being posted which media reported was set at nine million for louis and 12 million for david And david was eventually charged with perjury in relation to affidavits He filed in the california department of education over the years in which he asserted that his children were being educated in private school louise's attorney requested louise to be placed in a pre-trial diversion program for mental health treatment due to her diagnosis of Hysteronic personality disorder the judge denied the request on the grounds that turp imposed as a risk to the public february 22nd 2019 david and louise each changed They're not guilty pleased to guilty to one count of torture three counts of willful child cruelty

Four counts of false imprisonment and six counts of cruelty to an adult dependent Both were sentenced to life imprisonment with possibility of parole after 25 years It was said the experts believe that they will never receive parole due to the severity of the crime making it effectively a life sentence um david was originally sentenced to the mule creek state prison before being sent to the california state prison Cochrane and louise is in the central california women's facility I I just still don't feel like it's enough after everything that they did

I have a big problem with um pleadials because It's like no like if If this is what you did and especially when you're talking about minor children that are are involved Or children really at any age that are involved. It's like This is what you did. So these are the consequences and the charges that you should suffer and it shouldn't be Downplayed to get them to plead guilty like it should have been made to go to trial because they had all the proof that they needed

To prove that they had done these things to these children That's how I feel what the hell are we doing a plea deal for you can prove every single thing that happened unless you're trying to tell me sorry You can prove every single thing that happened unless you're trying to tell me That they're trying to say that the children aren't reliable witnesses and then I have an even bigger problem Well, yeah, and I know this sounds so cruel, but I am definitely the type of person and I for an eye so I'm like they should be tortured. I mean, I know that sounds so bad I'm sick and I feel the same way like I feel the same way whatever you do to somebody should be done to you

That's how I feel. You cannot change my mind. You will not change my mind I'm like what you do you reap what you sow. Okay, so an eye for an eye The torture that you inflicted on these children should be inflicted on you every single day for the rest of your life That you are living in prison living off of taxpayers money So that they can house your sorry ass For the shit that you've done. Yeah, so it's like that's a whole nother conversation

I mean right and like I can't help it feel like okay, so the turpin kids when These parents are in jail and they're getting jobs their tax dollars that they're paying are going to supporting their parents better than they ever supported them Sick Absolutely sick and twisted absolutely sick and twisted So do you have anything else to add because on that? I'm like we know that these people are sick twisted fox and I don't have anything else to say. Yeah, I don't really have anything else I want to know why no one decided to call Anybody that could help these kids

Um, I don't we need to put that We need to put that on like a rolling recording how many times we say like why did no one report this? Why did no one report this like literally and I but I mean it every single time like it is shocking to me every time I've like every time I came across in research. Oh another person saw them. Cool. Why did you not call? yeah, like and do these people that had interactions with these children the louise's family like One thing that was interesting to me is that through my research there wasn't information on david's family

I also didn't see info on his family either because I was trying to get the the deets on his parents and I couldn't Yeah, so like that's that's freaking weird. Um, and if anyone knows any information about david's parents and they were Whereabouts are probably dead, right? I mean that's I would assume so I know that Teresa or um, I know that louise's parents are both dead Um, but yeah, if you guys know any more information that we did not cover then please feel free to send it to us If you have not followed us on at coffee combos podcast and you are looking for research resources to be able to Read for yourself everything for any episode, um, whether that be ticktocks

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