Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - True Crime updates, Friendly Co-parenting & the Unruly Children Fee

Episode Date: August 8, 2024

CC365: Kail and Lindsie give their thoughts on the Tell Them You Love Me documentary, talk about the crazy update in the Chris Watts family murder case, and share their opinions on Scott Peterson finally speaking out after almost 20 years in prison. A topic circulating in the Facebook group about co-parenting friendliness and boundaries strikes a chord with Kail and Lindsie. They also react to a few Tiktoks that bamboozled Lindsie and Kail. Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more! Thank you to our sponsor!  Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first monthJust Thrive: To save 20% off a 90-day bottle of Just Thrive Probiotic and Just Calm go to JustThriveHealth.com Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to learn moreStamps: Visit Stamps.com and use code COFFEE for a 4-week trial, free postage, and a digital scale!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convoes with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Crissly. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Are we on air? Yeah, I think we are. I am so mad. because my bog bag got all wet, and so everything in it got wet. And like, it ruined my reading journal.

Good morning. Welcome to Coffee Convo's podcast. Good morning. I'm opening a drink, but it is not an alani today. It is a diet Dr. Pepper. I just can't get behind the Dr. Pepper flavor. Like, it's just, like, not for me. I really don't know who this belongs to.

The movers. It's possible, but doesn't diet. Dr. Pepper or like regular Dr. Pepper doesn't have like 23 flavors or something. 24. Why you never know what the fuck's going on? Every time you take a sip, you don't know what's going on. Oh, well, I don't drink Dr. Pepper. Elijah and Lincoln love Dr. Pepper and it just is like weird to me.

We have a lot to discuss, okay? I have, I have shit to show you. Show me. I went on a shopping spree and, okay, well, I went on a shopping spree so hard that my Lexus was packed to the roof. Wait, you still have your Lexus? I've always had a Lexus. I thought you didn't have a Lexus anymore because you only drive the Bronco. No, I have the Lexus IS and then I have the Bronco. The Lexus is what I hit the moose in. The Lexus is what I, wait, it was a moose? It was actually a deer, but I said it was a moose. It just sounds better for the story. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. I need to test the market on this. You're going to understand why I'm

doing this whenever I show you. Okay, so on my shopping spree, this was supposed to be back to school shopping and I'm not going back to school, but I bought myself a lot of shit. Okay. Do we, first of all, is this not so cute? No, that's so fucking cute. Okay, so a cropped crewneck, love it. No, I love it. Fucking love it. Do we like hoodies or crew necks better? Crew neck all day. I'm a crewneck girlie too, but I want to know what you bitches out there that are listening or wearing like kitty's report okay kitty's report let me show you this that I also got I feel like you're going to love these do we love these I love those what color are those I don't know but I got them okay these are Nike dunk lows and it says white rose whisper okay so Kristen that's like

Kristen's favorite color but I couldn't tell on the on the camera they almost look like a topey color they're kind of like topey rosy and I just feel like they'll match everything right yeah no one told me that I needed these except myself oh yeah if you have not gone back to school shopping for your kids I don't know if this is just a thing here or if it's a thing everywhere but these Nike tennis shoes I think let me see what they're called if you guys need to get them oh air max yeah we love those We have them here at the house. Like all the kids love them. So Jackson got the black earmax from Dix, but they didn't have the white ones.

So I got them from the Nike store. You know how in the last episode I told you that I couldn't find another hat other than the one I'm wearing? I immediately fucking lied. I bought this Bronco hat. Okay, that one's really cute. That one's really cute. I also need to know what kind of hats everyone's wearing. Like, are you a trucker hat, a baseball hat?

I tried to be a trucker hat girlie, but they just don't look right on my head. Even if I style my hair properly, it still doesn't look right. So I'm more of like a dad hat baseball cap kind of girl. Okay. I need to know everybody who's listening. What hat girl you are. Look at these graphic teas though. Fleetwood Mac. Yes, I bought them oversized. Period. Right. And then, of course. Ford Bronco. or Bronco. So Isaac is getting his first car next year and or I guess the year after two years. He'll be 15 and then I guess in Delaware you have to wait till you're 16 to get a permit. I don't fucking know. But long story short, I have it like been planning like the first car thing. And I really thought that I could convince him to do a Bronco, but he absolutely does not want a Bronco.

So I think Lincoln wants a Bronco. But I like the big girl Broncos. I don't want the little girl like the little sport ones or what. whatever they are. They're like, Christop's mother-in-law has one. That's not the kind that I like. I want the big girl one. And I'm living, I'm like pushing my dreams onto my child by getting, I want one of them to get a Bronco. So you can live vicariously through them. Yeah. I love, I love that. I also am a big girl Bronco. I have the wide body. It's, it's good. We like it. We love it. We love the look of it. It's aesthetically pleasing. It's probably not the safest,

but here we are. We're just getting Broncos. Okay, so can I tell you that Jackson started football and my thoughts about it? Yes. It's a commitment. That's what the fuck it is. Okay. It full blown is a commitment because we're practicing three days a week with a game day on the weekend. Time out.

Is it wreck or school? So it's. Pop Warner. Rec through the high school feeder team. Okay. So it's essentially like what we call Pop Warner, which three days a week, you're blessed. because Pop Warner here is five days a week plus travel weekends. Oh, wow.

For kindergarten. Yeah, it's a lot. Like the commitment is a lot more because basketball is like through the elementary school. It's one day, like one night a week practice and then typically sometimes there's like a midweek game and then a weekend game. Sometimes it's only a weekend game. Right. Way less commitment, right? Mm-hmm.

but I will tell you the level of discipline that kids learn through playing football, I thought that I was going to hate this whole football thing. Just felt like it was a lot of time investment, but also I'm a little fearful of injury. Just the fact that there has to be one parent at practice at all times kind of scared me because I'm like, okay, well, that might be an indication that people have been been hurt doing this. So I was a little fearful. It is tackle. So a little bit scared of that.

But the level of discipline that I see from these coaches and just like the guidance that's there, like you can't, you can't get that in any other sport. I 1,000% agree with you. The difference in the sports discipline has been night and day between football and then soccer, basketball, whatever else. Yes. That's not to say that these kids are not discipline. that do these other sports. That's not what I'm saying. But in my experience, the Lincoln was

the most disciplined and the most athletic and the most agile and the most all of the things when he was in football. And I think it's a little bit more lax in other sports, in my opinion. That's been my experience as well. And I just really love the level of discipline and the expectation of commitment that these coaches have and to watch them do like the team bonding activities. And so they did this one activity where you partner up with like one for you have one partner. They tied their shoe laces together and they had to learn to like walk and get to the other side of the field. They did like a balloon tossing game. If your partner drops it and it wasn't you, you still run. See, I actually appreciate stuff like that. Some of the

the best friendships will come from Jackson and football. And that's not to say that he can't meet friends at other sports, but Lincoln's best friends to this day, even though Lincoln has stopped playing football, his best friends came from football. I also really love the diversity that football brings as well, because it is kids from all different kinds of ring groups that are joining together to play the same sport. And I think that's really cool. I love it. I was a little nervous for you. When I saw in your story that Jackson was playing, I'm like, does Lindsay, know what she's getting herself into here? Because this is like, I mean, you're in the trenches during football season. And when you're at practices in the frigid fucking cold, forget about it.

Mm-hmm. Agreed. So I know that we had said that we were going to discuss, tell them you love me, the Netflix. What was it, a documentary show? Oh, the, the tell them you love me is on Netflix. Yeah, but is it like a doc you? I can't remember. Is it like a docu series or? No, it's just a, one hour, maybe a little bit over an hour documentary. I actually saw the Kitty Gang talk about it in one of the Facebook groups and I added it to the list. I didn't have any idea what the fuck it was about. I just saw that people were talking about it. And so I was like, oh, let me go figure this out. So Elijah and I watched it and very early on, I knew where this was going. Like I didn't. When I watched it, which I watched

it months ago, I didn't. Okay. So as soon as Elizabeth was on the camera, I knew, and she described what she, who she was to demand slash Derek. I was like, oh, no, this is not good. The facilitated communication tablets that they used on this documentary, I had no idea that it was a thing that facilitated communication was used, I guess, as far back as the 90s and early 2000s. I know of some nonverbal autistic children who, too, specifically off the top of my head that have these sort of, I guess it would fall into the category of facilitated communication. However, they are cognizant of kind of what is going on and they just are nonverbal, but they

very much have the capacity to use these. And so like you can hit a button and it'll say like, I want water or whatever the case may be. So I think it's a variation of that. I didn't know that this was going on for people that had like cerebral palsy and things like that. I had no fucking clue. What are your overall thoughts on the entire documentary? Well, so when I first started watching it, and it was very short, it was a very short watch. So if you guys want to watch it, it doesn't take a long time to get through. You can do this in one sitting. My overall thought is immediate sadness. Yep. I was heartbroken because at first, I felt bamboozled a little bit. Like they, the, I think the documentary was done really well because a lot of times documentaries only show one side of it where

it's like, oh, and then you have this like immediate overwhelming reaction. And this one I felt like really had us believing that, you know, Derek could do certain things on his own and he was in fact using the facilitated communication. Like I was really believing, oh, wow, like she was wrongly wrongly convicted. I will say I do agree with the end where it says that like she was like limited in her defense. I will, I will give it that. But at the end of the day, when they show Derek at the end, you could not convince me that she did not have a fetish. What if I told you that I just walked away from a wonderful and very high profile fitness brand to pursue bigger dreams?

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Or like also you left your husband and children for like it never talked about did she ever have a relationship with her kids again? Like what did that look like? She got left like fired from her job. I don't understand. And not to say that these people can't be loved, but I don't understand how you are. able to fall in love with someone who can't even give you consent to any in any way, shape, or form. I think that you have to take the consent part out.

I think the amount of time that was being spent that obviously she could have had some type of emotional attachment to him in some way. And then that just continued to grow. However, he, he, in my opinion, couldn't reciprocate that. So I don't think it negates her ability. to be able to fall in love with him. I think it just could never have been a reciprocal situation. So then we're faced with this whole thing of like Daisy, Derek's mom, talking about, you know,

his behavior changed after Elizabeth left his life and he was like hurting himself. Did she just say that to get what she wanted to know out of Elizabeth? Or was that in fact the case? Because at the end, let's not forget, she talks about how all of the sudden Derek starts masturbating and she believes that's a result of what Elizabeth did to him. Now, on the other side of that is like the woman who is speaking, the doctor who speaks at the beginning of it, or she speaks throughout the entire thing. And she has a disability where it makes it very hard for her to speak and that she believes

in facilitated communication. And the Derek's classmate who was like helping him with certain things also spoke to him being able to communicate with guidance and with help. So what does that mean for all of this? I don't want to speculate anything, but just based off of what I saw, I do believe that there was sexual abuse that was going on. From Elizabeth to Derek. Yes.

So then, but what about what the classmate said that he was, in fact, able to communicate with help, read books, and write responses to the books? I don't know if I believe that. Okay. Okay. That's more so what I was asking because do you think that you believe it? I mean, they had me believing it. Okay. And then towards the end, I was like, I don't know. Like, if he's not able to, if Derek was not able to touch images of certain things, spoon, refrigerator, and things like that. Why should I believe that he was able to type on a facilitated, like, keyboard? I don't know. And I always.

also am with you. I didn't know that there was that type of technology during this time. How do you feel about her sentencing? She's, she's on parole for life. She served, what was it, like 12 years or something like that? I can't remember. I mean, it was excessive, I feel. But she also ruined somebody's life. So it's one of those things where, and she got let go from her serving position because, you know, people associated with her. I just don't. know what the appropriate sentence is because, but she also spoke as if she was still in love with him, which kind of creep me out. I don't know how you, you take somebody's trauma and then turn that into a sentence and say it's fair or if it's not fair, right? I believe that she should

have just continued serving time. Oh, you think she should have stayed in prison? I do. I mean, the life that she has to live outside of prison, she might as well have just stayed in. She ruined, and she ruined someone's entire life that had no say. I just want to know how she got to the point where she believed that he was communicating with her and, like, wanted this from her. Or was it a delusion that was in her mind based off of how she felt that she was, she made herself convinced that he was communicating that? Because all of the, it said on the documentary that all of the messages that, all of the messages

that were shown were saved in the memory of the keyboard. And those were exact messages that were on there. So did she type them herself? That's what I was thinking, that she typed them herself. Or, like, influenced him to do it. I'm sick over it also just, like, parade. Because you got like a cover your ass move in the event that it ever got caught, that you knew that those things would be saved.

So that would be your defense. I want to know more about like how her family and her kids reacted to this. And I'm, I'm actually surprised that she agreed to do a documentary like this. That is shocking, but also her level of delusion as well. I didn't get in the courtroom when they were talking about, there was like a statement at the end talking about, she's self-serving. She's a narcissist. I didn't get narcissistic vibes from her.

in my opinion, I also didn't know her in, like, in real life. I got more so, like, delusional, um, mentally ill. Like, that is a mental illness. You know what I mean? Like, I don't necessarily, and I know that narcissism can probably fall under that category, but I think narcissism, like, this grandiose, like, I just didn't get narcissistic vibes. I got like, okay, this is a fetish. This is something that is not normal, not healthy.

Like, but I don't think that she thought of herself. I don't know, though. Like, that's just what I think it. that narcissists, that word has become so overused, that a lot of, a lot of people could have narcissistic narcissistic tendencies, but they're not a full-blown narcissist. Right. But just because she thought that she knew better than Daisy, his own mom, that doesn't necessarily mean that she was a narcissist. She could have been a no at all.

Correct. Or she could have literally been insane because she's in love with this person and she feels like what she's doing is best for him, I don't necessarily think that that's a narcissist. I in today's world though, and I've seen this all over social media that the word narcissist boundaries, those are all or have all become like these token words that buzzwords to describe certain things that you can't just go out and diagnose somebody with narcissism. No. Like they can have those tendencies and you can think, oh, that person appears to be narcissistic, but that doesn't mean that they have been diagnosed as a narcissist.

I just, you can, I feel like you can have like tendencies. Yeah. Um, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's, I believe what you're saying, the, the word delusion comes to mind. Um, and just, I know it all. Yeah. Not a narcissist. I didn't get those heads either.

Okay. So we're not alone on that. I hope the best for Derek. And I hope that he's starting to recover the best he can because obviously Daisy was saying that like things have changed and he started doing things himself because of what she did. And I, you know, I can't imagine what other impacts that those things have had on him. For anybody who wants to watch, you can watch this on Netflix. would love to hear your thoughts after you watch.

And if you want to discuss about it in the Facebook group, hit us up in there. I have an update for you, though. Can't wait. Chris Watts. So never saw this coming, but like saw it coming throughout the entire situation when he decided to brutally murder his wife and his little girls. Never saw this coming out. It says on the New York Post, killer dad, Chris Watts is now blaming

Jezebel Mistress for his decision to brutally murder his wife and little girls. He says that it says that the Post had obtained several handwritten notes from 39-year-old Watts, who is serving a life sentence in a small cell at Dodge Correctional Institution. And one letter dated March 2020, he wrote a prayer of confession. It says, the words of a harlot have brought me low, he wrote, her flattering. speech was like drops of honey that pierced my heart and soul. Little did I know that all her guests were in the chamber of death. Number one, what is with these people who act like their poets when they get in prison? They don't have any other time on their hand. So they're just out here writing books and writing poems and

becoming artists. I mean, for some of them, great. But for others, like, who do you, Chris Watts, who the fuck do you think you are? I don't know. But like, to me, that, like, to me, that, like, speaks to some type of like mental illness possibly because I just would not be writing like this. At the point that you can be convinced or you decide on your own to kill your wife and children, you are already mentally ill. Right. So wait, so this poem is him blaming her? Yeah. I don't, number one, I just can't even understand like this type of writing. So like I can't even like dissect. Yeah, I was about to say like I can't dissect. Dissect. Yeah. I was about to say like I can't dissect any of it. It's, it's very much like, I don't know, like Romeo and Juliet. But just fucking say it. That's like,

that reminds me, it reminds me of Yen Soaring and Elizabeth. Like this sort of like Macbeth, Shakespearean type of vibes. And it's just like, just say it or don't. Like just fucking say it. You're already in prison. It's probably not going to change a whole lot. But so was his mistress at the time, what was her name? Jezebel. No, that was not her name. I think that's what's in this fucking letter that he wrote. I forget what her name. What, Nicole? Was Nicole charged with anything?

I don't, I don't believe that she was. I don't believe that she was charged with anything. Supposedly in this letter, he admitted that he was stupid to cheat on his wife, had asked God forgiveness for the days of his infidelity, which to me, you need forgiveness for a lot more stuff than just the infidelity. Like that, I don't want to diminish,

like the infidelity, but the fact that you fucking killed your wife and your two daughters and then put daughters in oil tanks or whatever you put them in, you're fucked up. Like you're a fucked up human. So it says that in this letter, he claimed that the mistress told him to choose between her and his family the night of the murders and that she was essentially like this forbidden fruit. And he said that in the letter, he admitted to strangling his pregnant wife. And then he drove her body to a job site at the oil company where he worked at and dumped her. His two daughters were in his truck.

He suffocated them as they begged for mercy. And then he stashed their bodies in oil drums. Obviously, we know that he pled guilty and was sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole. the girlfriend or mistress, whatever you want to call her, she goes by a different name now, but she still lives in Colorado. She has not publicly spoken for several years about her relationship with Watts, like what that even looks like if they're in communication. I don't know.

But there was also a TikTok that I would like Kristen to play for you, for you to be able to watch it on this. Okay, y'all. So breaking news in the Chris Watts case, y'all. Chris Watts has written a letter from prison saying that his mistress, Nicole Kessinger, was involved in the unalivings of Bella and CC and Shanan even. He said now that she did an unalive Shanan, but once he told her that he unalive Shanan, she said you might as well unalive Bella and CC too. Now this is the letter y'all can pause it to read it.

So this is the letter that he wrote from prison stating that Nicole is Jezebel, That's what he's calling her. And Jezebel convinced him to do what he did to his family. And not only that, but she was involved directly in the unaliving. She was there that morning, and she helped him conceal the evidence and put the girls in the oil tanks and do all the things on. She worked with him. And I've always felt like she was involved in some way. But he's finally given a full confession saying that she is, she was involved and she should as well be in trouble.

Now, he said the reason that he's been protecting her for so long is because he felt bad for her. and he didn't want her to get in trouble. I just wonder what this is going to do for things. I wonder if they're going to find her. I wonder what's going to happen. So he can't be tried again, right? Because it would be double jeopardy, but because there's new information

and she was essentially, like, new evidence has been brought to light, can she then be charged? I don't know. Is there a statue of limitations? I don't think there is on murder. I'll be very interested to see what happens. I, however, have always thought that she was somewhat. involved. I always thought she was somewhat involved, especially because I think there was like

shadows of her allegedly on like neighbors ring cameras and things like that. So that's not shocking to me. I just, I was waiting and wondering when the fuck is he going to wake up. Because just like the Yen soaring and Elizabeth thing, when we talked about that weeks ago, they still, they're just blaming each other instead of y'all both serve time. You've both been tried for this. Just say what the fuck it is. We know you were both there. Same thing for this. It's like it has enough time past that he's no longer in love with her. And so he's kind of opening his eyes and he wants her to also because when you're not in love with someone anymore, you're not in lust with them, that changes things.

You take off those roads colored glasses and all of a sudden you want to put all the dirty laundry out there. I don't care if I'm in love with you or if I'm not in love with you. If we've, you know, done a heinous crime together. You're going down with me. You're going down with me. And if we've done a heinous crime together and you've done a heinous crime together and you've got caught and I didn't get caught, we're going down together. Bonnie and Clyde, like,

that is absolutely what's happening. I have always thought that she was somewhat involved. I regularly say, I've kind of always felt like in the Brian Coburger situation that possibly somebody else was involved, because how do you do with the timestamps of what they have, how do you kill that many people in that short of amount of time? Agreed. One weapon. I really don't know. Makes me think the same thing about Chris Watts, three people dead.

And he was able to successfully do that essentially with no hiccups and no help. Yeah. I always thought she was involved in some way. Always. Right. Yeah, 100%. I also think that Brian Coburger had help. I just haven't figured out who that help was yet.

And I'll be curious to follow the updates on that because that in mind of itself is a whole different. But speaking of murder, please. Tell me about Scott Peterson. Okay, so he has broken his silence. This is directly from the Hollywood Reporter. So it says he breaks silence over Lacey Peterson murder and Peacock Crime docuseries. And I am so excited for this. He gives his first on-camera interview since 2003 and face-to-face with Scott Peterson to air August 20.

So it says face to face with Scott Peterson, a universal television alternative studio series is set to bow August 20th with Peterson giving his first on-camera interview since 2023 and he discusses the notorious murders of his wife, Lacey Peterson, and unborn son Connor. There is a trailer out there that was teased earlier this week and it included jailhouse footage of him being interviewed. But he does not speak on camera. That was according to Peacock. And the docu-series will cover his side of the story. And also a person who has been investigating this murder case for over a decade. Do you still believe that he did it? Kill?

Don't even get me started about how he didn't do it. Unless you and I, because I'm in an argumentative mood. I see both sides pretty clearly and I could see the reasonable doubt that it is possible that it looks one way, but I could see a possibility that he did not do it. So I will be definitely tuning into this. I also think, just hear me out because I don't know where you stand anymore. The last time we left off on this was that you believe that he 100% did it. Yes, I still do. Oh, you still do.

Okay. Okay. I think after all, he was tried and convicted. So why not just admit that you did it after all this time then? Well, because I feel like for a lot of people who are serving time behind bars, if they are being coached by any type of legal counsel. And that legal counsel says, don't speak because there could be a potential for this, that the third. Are you really going to speak if you feel like you might possibly have a chance that you could get out? Do you think that he has the funds after being locked up for all this time and having no job and, you know, depleting whatever probably resources they had for legal before? You think that he has a team still after all this time? But think about this.

What if he has a team working for him pro bono that believes that he didn't do it? You know, that could be that could be the case. And I just feel like if you are behind bars, I'm trying to place myself in that situation. And you just want freedom. I don't believe that you're going to do anything to possibly jeopardize that if you have convinced yourself in some way that you could potentially get out. It says this docu series also premieres in the wake of the Los Angeles Innocence Project, announcing that it will investigate Peterson's case as the 20th anniversary of his conviction approach. And in a quote, it says, while many still believe the jury got it right, Scott's family and experts close to the case have spent over 20 years committed to uncovering inconsistencies and the evidence as well as finding new information around alternative theories surrounding Lacey's mother. And that was a statement from producers of the docu series. So here's the thing. I just, okay, hear me out because I'm going to make another connection.

The Menendez brothers eventually came out to tell their stories and admit whatever they admit. Gypsy Rose, we think, has admitted and taken accountability. And who else? Yen-soaring, Elizabeth, things like that. What is different about the Scott Peterson case that you feel like he's still guilty? Because I just, he's been in prison for what, 20 fucking years? Okay, well, let's just put it this way. I watched all of this stuff live.

I believe I was in sixth or seventh grade whenever Lacey went missing. And I remember it being like around Christmas time. And I watched like the live footage of them looking for her and like sending out all these people. Remember that? And I always thought from the time in sixth or seventh grade, I said, her husband killed her. I don't believe that there was fucking robbers that had anything to do with her murder. If you want to go that far and be that far-fetched and that delusional to think that that actually happened, it fucking didn't. Those people didn't do anything with her.

He fucking did it. He fucking did it. I don't care what anybody says. I feel as convicted about him as I do O.J. Simpson. Really? If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit. Know the fuck you shouldn't. He had a fucking rubber glove on when he put that on.

No shit, it wasn't going to fit. But I have seen countless conspiracy theories. I like to call them conspiracy. Your conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories about the OJ Simpson bullshit. OJ Simpson did it. You cannot, nobody convince me otherwise. I see the reasonable doubt.

behind the Scott Peterson. Where he should have fucking lost everybody that was holding out any hope that he wasn't the one that did it was when he decided to attempt to flee the country and dye his hair bleached blonde and become like a different fucking person. If you are innocent, come on. I mean, yeah, that's what Yen's swearing and Elizabeth did for that documentary. So you're right. And they ended up turning around and blaming each other when we know.

know, we think, I think that they both did it. So yes, I mean, that that is very sketchy. So I'll be curious to see. Put yourself in this situation. Put yourself as Lacey Peterson. You are pregnant about to give birth to a child. You live in the suburbs and a quiet little neighborhood. You think somebody random's just like coming through there on a random killing spree to kill to kill a pregnant woman. No, for sure not. And I believe that took place in like Modesto, California, which maybe is, you know, middle class. And I feel like I live in a pretty middle class area too. Nobody, I mean, there are some break-ins because addicts will come break in. But all I'm, let me say this. I don't know that I'm convinced of Scott Peterson's innocence

so much as I'm certain that there's reasonable doubt. So I think that there's a difference. I do think that he could be innocent because of the reasonable doubt. Like, I think that in this, in the court. But then you have to go back and look at, you know, is the reasonable doubt technicalities? Well, I think it's all circumstantial evidence. Like, yeah, it's a do I necessarily believe in, I do, I actually do believe in coincidences. I really do. I think some things could be a coincidence.

Some of them could be, like, we know there was a bloody sock in. found in OJ Simpson's like house or room or something right right and plus the bloody the handprint and these are the identical gloves that Nicole had got him like to me none of that is circumstantial but I guess to the general public and the jury it could have been but the same can be said about Scott Peterson then I mean I when they found that hair I believe it was her hair on his boat I'm like okay well if she ever was on that boat then it could have been been from that. Right. So that's where, yes, I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying all of the pieces of the puzzle lead me to believe that there is zero doubt in my mind that he killed her.

But is that because of circumstantial evidence that you're like, this shouldn't be considered circumstantial. This is hard, cold facts. So do you want me to go through like all of the evidence and put together a list for next recording and be like, this is not circumstantial to me. I mean, if you have the time, yeah, let's fucking go. Let's do it. Wait, speaking of research, I need to give you an update because I forgot to give you an update last episode.

Elijah and I ate asparagus. And what I found was immediately following the asparagus consumption. Okay. My first pee immediately smells like asparagus and not that much time had passed between the time that I consumed and the time that I peed. That being said, we also had sex later that evening and I smelled no remnants of said asparagus. So I'm not sure that I could complete all of the research because I feel like maybe it takes longer to show effects in semen or maybe there are not. on at all. Okay. Might be invasive, but this podcast in its entirety is invasive. Did you suck his dick? No, but he didn't pull out and then nothing stunk. The research is bust.

Okay. So I have to go down on him. Essentially, you have to redo the research. Okay. Because that is not what we agreed to. Well, he's going to love. that he's going to love that okay but it essentially is going to have to be a dirty job is what i'm saying because you are going to it you are going to consume sat asperius you are going to have your first pee and redo that part of the research okay we're going to have two different times where we can determine okay this happened this time and it happened this time okay we're It happened this time and it didn't happen this time. Okay.

Then you're going to have sexual relations with Elijah on that same evening. Okay. So, but I'm going to go down on him first. Yeah. I don't. He's going to have to, like. Get it up and go again. He's going to have to come on your belly.

Because that's the only way, how else are you going to smell it? Well, because when he didn't pull out and then, like, I didn't smell anything like foul. in you? How did you smell in you? Well, because I always pee after sex. No, I know, but I just feel like that's bum science, what you're doing. Okay. We need the actual proof. Okay, he's going to love that. So I think that he's going to be really pumped that. But what are we going to know that it, that it smells on you or it doesn't? He's going to, to your point, he's going to have to like go on me, not in me. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So round two, here we go. Hey, on to our next research. I've told you something that I saw on the Facebook group and I actually sent it to you in a text message. So you'll remember whenever I read this. Okay. But this listener, this little kitty, says, I've started seeing this guy for about a month now. It is super weird that his ex-wife calls and texts him all the time about personal stuff, nothing to do with your kid. And I want to be his mate still. Maybe she's from Australia. It's like every day she's calling to chat.

with him on the phone. I would like to know what your personal thoughts are and also my personal lived experience with this. My personal lived experience is that there's still hope for the relationship and or the relationship, the sexual part of the relationship probably never went away because I would say, I would go out on a limb and say that it's probably very few and far between that your ex is still your bestie. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I definitely think it's very few and far between? I've had a lot of therapy over this. And I can just tell you from my lived experience when Will and I are with other people, our boundaries look different when we're both with other people than our boundaries look when we're not. So when you're with other people and you're still

best friends with your ex-wife and not including the new partner in that, it feels sneaky and it's not okay. No, it's not okay. But conversations with Will look very different when I'm with someone than when I'm not with someone. Like when you're with someone, are you calling him and like just having a gossip session on the phone? Yeah. No, that wouldn't be appropriate. Right.

And I feel the same way. Like, Harvey and my relationship now is very different than. in the past when we've had partners, right? Like we were crossing lines and blurring lines. We don't do that anymore because we've learned that that is not appropriate and it leads to other things and then et cetera, et cetera, like I don't need to go into detail. Agreed.

I feel like if Chris and I or Hobby and I were having those types of conversations and I was calling them to tell them about minor inconveniences and like trying to be best friends with them, that would be highly inappropriate. But what is the, what is the boundary, I guess, So you have an ex-spouse and you have a child with that person. If you're trying to create like a happy rapport with that person so that you can co-parent in the best way possible and you're trying to have some type of a friendship that allows your co-parenting to be easier, what is like the boundary or the cutoff of, okay, I can have

this conversation with them that's not necessarily about co-parenting, but I can't have this one. So I'll use Joe and Javier as an example because I feel like Joe and I have had our ups and downs. That's no secret. I've been very open about it on the podcast. Like right now, him and V came by to drop Isaac off the other day and they came in the house, both of them together. Joe also texted me and was like, you should get a mini cow, right? And so that's not related to our kids. But I feel like we have the type of co-parenting relationship where we can be friends sometimes.

and sometimes we go lengths without ever discussing anything related to Isaac or not. That's just the dynamic of our relationship. But we know our boundaries. Like we don't, I would never hang out with Joe without V present, if that makes sense. With Javi, we cannot have even a friendly relationship.

We are not friendly. We do not, we don't have friendly conversations. We are respectful of and to each other about Lincoln and that is it. But there is no, like, he's not going to email me and be like, hey, you know, I'm trying to, like, he would never, he would never in a million years now email me about getting a mini cow, right? So I think it's one of those things. But like, Joe also isn't texting me and like shooting the shit or like calling me and like running ideas. But like that's not, I don't think that's ever appropriate when like, I don't know.

It just also sets an unrealistic expectation I feel. Like you and Will are probably friendly like me and Joe are, I would imagine. Well, I just thought of like a, I want to ask you if you would do this. I'm like turning red. Okay. So it's back to school for us. And we need to go back to school shopping, which we did. Would you ever with your ex baby daddy or ex-husband go to like lunch, take your child with that person to a joint?

haircut and then to dicks to buy clothes or would that all be done separate and is it inappropriate to do it together so i would do that with joe and v and probably like invite elijah too previously hobby and i would do things like that and then when we got with our significant others we could no longer do that so i don't it's hard to say because i feel like right now where joe and i are we could do that with our partners and together, you know what I mean? And Javi and I used to do it, but we can't do it now. So I don't, would you, would you both had partners, we wouldn't do it. Right. Okay. But because we don't, we don't have to consider anyone else. But so my question now, and I'm only asking you this now because we, we, we, I used to do that and now we're in

relationships. What does that do to the child when the older they get, they will correlate that not happening anymore to the new partners, is it possible that they will then resent the new partners because that changed the dynamic? And so, you know, that worried me a little bit because, you know, Havie and I were getting along. Lincoln saw that. Like, we were traveling together. We were, I mean, we spent Christmas together. We did Lincoln's football tournament in Atlanta together. You know what I mean? Like, we did things together. And then now all of a sudden, we're with new partners and now Lincoln doesn't have that anymore. And it went from very actively co-parenting and co-coaching and co-all the things to now automatically, you don't have that anymore.

And he was older. So like does that impact? So will that happen if you get with someone or will get with someone or both? Do you think Jackson will resent the situation? Or do you think that he would be at a place where he'd be able to understand like now that you guys do have new partners, things do have to change? So Jackson's child therapist when we were going through divorce. I don't know if you remember me telling you this, but her advice to us was don't start something that you can't maintain. Okay.

That's one of the things that with us both being in other relationships could not maintain. Okay. We're back to doing it. That's a conversation that's on our agenda. We should not be doing these things anymore if we can't maintain it when one or both of us are with someone else. Because it's not fair to Jackson because he is going to resent the other person because we've watched it. happen. And Jackson throws an absolute shit fit about it. That's really interesting. So ultimately, it makes it not fear for the child because they're the ones who are going to have to suffer from

why could we do this and everybody be able to get along and you guys aren't together. Why can't we do it still just because you're with another person? Yeah. And I feel like we've sort of touched on topic similar to this before. But it just re-remines me of what Alessandra from Vibin told me on an episode of Baby Mama, she was talking about how like she was, she's essentially like resent or was resentful of her dad still coming over to do these family dinners and like acting like they were this like hunky dory family. And then, but it wasn't.

Like that's not like what it was. So I guess obviously what works for one family doesn't have to be true for other families. And everyone can hate me for the next statement that I'm about to make. I feel this way about anyone, including myself, getting involved into another situation. I lived over a decade of life with Will and had a child with him. I feel like because we had that child together, that child comes first. So whatever works for that child, you have to decide that it's either for you,

that as a new person coming in or it's not for you. But I'm not going to change up. I'm telling you right now, post breakup with Trent, whatever is new for me, I'm not going to change up what we're currently doing to accommodate anybody else for the situation because it works for us. So if it doesn't work for you, then just fucking tell me and then get on your way. Okay. And I'm with you because if that's what you think is best for Jackson,

then you need to do it's best for Jackson 100%. And I support you in that. I had a conversation with my therapist last week and she said, what are some things that you have learned from dating other people now that you're out of it and you're doing the single girl thing? What are things that you have learned? And I said, what I've learned is my child is, and I've always known this, but my child is my number one priority and I'm going to keep him there. And so what works for us might not work for other people. and that is okay and I've accepted that, but I'm not going to go back on what works for us

to accommodate someone else to join the situation. Agreed. I agree with you. And I've always felt that way. Like I, you know, if I went into a situation, my ex, for example, he knew what it was. I wasn't, you could not pay me to not hang out with hobby for my son. Like that was happening whether he liked it or not.

And he just learned to accept it. He just learned to accept it. And don't even mention it to me. I'll tell you what I want to tell you, but this is what we were doing. And he kind of just let it be. He accepted it. I don't know how he actually felt about it because he knew better than to even tell me about it. Because at the time, that's what we were doing.

That's how close we were. And I'm not having a conversation about it or explaining my decisions that I'm making for my child. If it simply just doesn't work for you, that's perfectly okay. And you have choices that you have to make too. But these are the choices that I'm going to make. And ultimately, this situation came before you came. So I agree with your therapist. If it's, if you can't maintain it, don't even start it.

But to your point, like, don't, if, if you're committed to it, I mean, I'd still, I would still have it that way if I could. Yeah. Oh, 100%. I know that Lincoln was the happiest, you know? And I feel like you were so much happier with that situation the way that it was. Yeah, of course. Like, it was just, you know, like I knew.

And I get like there, I think some boundaries could have been put in place. Like some, some lines didn't need to even be, you know, we just tighten things up a little bit and it still could have worked both ways and everybody would be happy. But, you know, I'm respecting boundaries and whatever, but you know, it is what it is. Okay. Completely unrelated. No, I want Kristen to play this video for us. It's about a restaurant charge and I want to get everyone's thoughts. Okay. You have kids do not eat at this restaurant because I just got charged a $50 unruly children fee. Have you never heard of this happening before we were having a normal dinner with our two kids and then all of a sudden

we were slapped with the fine. They called me and leave a voicemail. So listen to this and tell me if I was in the wrong or not. Hi, this is Alex calling from the lesion table in Seattle. I was returning your request for a manager to allow you regarding the unruly children feed. Your children were listening to their iPads at a loud volume. which was ruining the ambiance for other guests that we had at the time. Your children were also walking around at the restaurant on their own without their shoes, and they were also eating the food with their hands instead of using the proper utensils. We want to make sure that this is an enjoyable experience for all of our guests,

so the unruly children fee will not be removed from your bill. If you would like, we can pull our security camera. footage and show you what we were talking about. We request that you do not return to our restaurant at this time. If you have further questions, you can tell me back. It's satire. It's fake. How do you know? Kristen just told us. Please tell me why I'm bamboozled by all satire on the internet. Did you punk me? No, I didn't. I thought it was fucking real. When I saw it, I thought it was fucking real. Because everything I'm like, first of all, I can't find the restaurant. Second of all, I'm now on TikTok looking for other people tagging the restaurant. Maybe they have a restaurant

fucking account and they don't. There's a lesion brewing, brewing. There's a lesion, like all kinds of a lesion, but no elision table. I hate you right now. I hate my own me. Because what the who does that voicemail then? But wait, probably her husband or like an automated situation. But now can we talk about because I, this like brings me to a whole other conversation. I literally don't go to restaurants with my kids because of those, like everything that the fake voicemail said is why I don't go to restaurants. And actually, I was going to do a whole TikTok about this, but I guess I could talk about it on the podcast. I took screens away. Like my kids don't have iPads anymore. They haven't had them in years. We have one PlayStation or sorry,

one Xbox for the entire house. We don't do screens anymore because of the meltdowns, because of the constant, you know, wanting them at the table. I don't want to be. And if it works for somebody else, that's fine. That's great and good. What works for us doesn't always work for everybody else. We don't do that. We'd also just don't do restaurants with all the kids, period, point blank. Because you're not about to charge me for my kids making a mess under the table. So I can not tell you the last time we went to a restaurant. Whatever happened to the times when we were kids, first of all, our parents really didn't take us out to dinner that much. Like we had home cooked meals pretty much every night. So I do think with the times changing and people being more about

convenience lifestyles and going out to eat a lot more than what I feel like people did in the 90s, like maybe if you were like over wealthy, you got to go to Chili's. I don't really fucking know. But whatever happened to just going to the restaurant and getting two crayons and a piece of paper and making it work. Okay. So wait, time out because I feel like that's not enough for today's generation. No, it's because we have so over-stimulated the youth that that is not enough to stimulate them for a long period of time. We didn't have the option of tablets or cell phones or anything like that. Do you remember when portable DVD players came out when we were kids? Okay, that's what we had. But we didn't take those to restaurants. That was for like a road trip.

Yes. That was not a restaurant situation. I couldn't even imagine if I would have tried to get outside of the car with a portable DVD player and take it into a restaurant, I wouldn't be living to talk right now. I think it's been at least two years since I removed screen, most screens. My kids have to ask to go on the Xbox because technically it's Lincoln's. I have an iPad that I don't even use, but we don't do, we don't do the phone thing. we don't do the, no, because you know what, it causes meltdowns for us. And I don't know what goes on at their dad's houses, so I can't speak on that. But at my house, I remove screens for almost two years now.

I will say any person who is in a co-parenting relationship, I strongly advise you to, if you're going to take away screens, to have the conversation jointly and be taken both places because then it's going to cause an issue of where they want to be if they have it one place and they don't have it somewhere else. Yeah. I didn't, I haven't had that conversation. I didn't even, truthfully, this wasn't like a conscious decision. I just like, I think I waited for them to die one day and then I never gave them back. And then it was out of sight, out of mind kind of thing because they went to their dads. And then I think it was last summer when Creed started doing 50-50, um, whatever summer creed did 50-50 with Chris, the first summer. And then they came back and they

never, it was out of sight, out of mind for us. So it wasn't like a conscious decision, but I'm thankful for actually just found because one year for Mexico, I had bought the iPads for them to watch on the plane. And I think that was like the last time, one of the last times they had it, something like that. And then one of the iPads was actually Isaac's iPad from like when they first came out. So like it doesn't, I don't even think it works anymore. Like an old dusty rusty. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Okay. So we have a couple of things that we were tagged in that I want to make sure that we get to. Okay. This one is titled, I lie to my child every week. Oh, God. I'm scared. I lie to my child every Friday. This is my four-year-old's first year of school and he's in pre-K.

He hates school so far and says it's boring. So I tell him that if he wakes up and goes to school without fighting me, he can stay at home two days out of the week. During the week. Oh, no. Oh, no. During the week, I remind him about. about our deal when he's misbehaving. So he thinks I let him skip school on Saturdays and Sundays because he's well behaved. I mean, I would be lying if I said I never did that. Okay, I have never

done that because my brain doesn't work that way. I have absolutely said that before because I have one child that is a chronic, can I stay home today? Can I stay home today? Can I stay home today? And it'll be like a Friday. And I'm like, mm-hmm. So I'm like, if you go to school today, I'll let you stay home the next day. And it's Saturday. I don't do it all the time and I don't do it every Friday. But he has, in fact, ask and he doesn't care about the days of the week. I don't know what age you like learn like Monday through Friday and then the weekends are Saturday and Sunday. He hasn't caught on to that quite yet. So it'll be a Friday and I'm like, I need, can I say home or can you pick me up early? And I'm like, no, just go today. If you have a great day, you know, do all the things. I'll let you stay home the next day.

I don't do it all the time. So you lie to your child just not every week. Correct. Okay, the next thing that we were tagged in, I don't even know what it is. Um, no, this has to be satire. My husband's slept with my sister, um, so that we could have a baby. First and background, I have an identical twin sister and I have fertility problems. She does not. My husband and I have been struggling to have a baby for the last six and a half years without telling me my sister and my husband decided to sleep together to get pregnant and surprise me that they are having a baby and my sister wants me to have this baby and raise her baby um after she's left with my husband and and he says that it's fine because it's like a surrogacy and it's the same thing and like

genetically it's my baby. My sister says it's no big deal that she's happy to do it for me. This is not the same as surrogacy. This is not the same as my egg going inside her and doing a fertility treatment. She slept with my husband. And my husband says that it's not cheating because it's basically the same lady parts because we're genetically the same. So it's the same lady parts is what he says.

Therefore, it's not cheating. It's absolutely fucking cheating. That has to be made up. That has to be made up. No person in their right fucking mind would think like that. There is absolutely no logical train of thought there. I feel like this is the perfect time for us to bring the word deranged back. Rogue.

They've gone fucking rogue. Yeah. Okay. So he is essentially also compared his wife. wife's vagina to her twin sister's vagina and said that they're the same. I just won't believe that had to have been made up and submitted to her because there's just no fucking way that people actually think like that and think that that's okay. And like you're going to have to explain this to a lot of people, like your family.

To a lot. So how does that go down? It doesn't. It's about the parents of the twins, right? like, oh, by the way, I didn't co-sign this, but my sister fucked my man. Well, what do you say? Like, do the grandparents say like, and they're like, oh, like, who's, who have the babies or whatever? And the grandparents are like, well, this is like Jessica, Ashley and Bryant's.

It's all three of their babies because technically, I mean, in the sense of like DNA, Elijah's aunt is also his mom. And his cousins are his siblings because his mom and his aunt are identical twins. I can't wrap my head around all. All of that, it's a little much for me right now at this moment. And always, in fact, I would have to say that I would have to pull out a complete bitch move on this. And I would have to be like, well, since you fucked her, then y'all raised the baby because it's y'alls. And I'm out.

Yeah, 100%. I'm out. You did that behind my back and you wanted to surprise me. No, you had an affair. Like, yeah, a fucking surprise. A fucking surprise affair. Yeah. I'm for those reasons I'm out I just need like more info like did the baby was it the baby born

is she raising it um did you forgive him did she not does is he so delusional and deranged and his dick is literally rogue rogue dick I can't all right so Lindsay stepped out and Kristen's here to do foul play with us so the first one we got says in college I had a sweetmate. She wasn't really my roommate. We just shared a private bathroom between us. She was terrible with her tampon. She never wrapped them up.

So half the time when you walked into the bathroom, you would just see a full tampon covered in blood laying in the trash can. Well, one time she must have hit the wall with her swinging tampon after she pulled it out. You could see the spot on the wall where the tampon hit and the blood trailing down the wall. It was awful. I was too awkward at the time to tell her that it was disgusting and she shouldn't do that. I felt terrible for the dorm room cleaning person that had to clean it up. up. She would also hit the side of the toilet sometimes and just leave a big blood spot on the

bowl. I don't understand how people can be that gross and inconsiderate. I don't even know what I would do. If a tampon hit my wall and blood was dripping down and it like first of all, that's never even happened for me. So I mean, my period is a crime scene. So I would be lying if I said that I didn't get blood places. But if I see it, I clean it up. Right. Like I've gotten blood on the toilet, but never the wall. I've definitely gotten blood on the, like on the floor and on the wall. But I, if I see it, I clean it up. Obviously, if I don't see it, I can't do anything about it. But it's also my house. Like I'm never going to, when I have my period, if I go to someone's house, the way that I am freaking out, because I'm not leaving my period blood at someone's house or

their whatever, like that's never happening. Same in public. Like in my house, it's like, okay, if I forgot to clean something, or not forgot, if I didn't see something and couldn't clean it up, like, obviously I'll clean it up when I get to it. But straight up leaving dripping blood on a wall. That's like a whole other. No, but that's foul. That's like a biohazard. I can't imagine. No. I'm going to throw up actually. No, that's actually disgusting. Okay, second foul play. I'm an ER nurse. So when I say nothing phases me, I mean it. Buckle up because this scarred me. A couple months ago, a patient checked in for too many. orgasms. Per protocol, I knew she would need a urine sample, so I took her to the bathroom. We walk in, and there is explosive diarrhea on the walls, floor, and all in the toilet. I was like, oh, let's go to a different one because no sane person would use that toilet, right? Wrong. The patient said, oh, it's fine, and went to flush the diarrhea with her foot, and before I could say stop, her mesh sketcher fell in the liquid shit toilet. She then reaches in, no hesitation, grabs the sketcher, rinses it in the sink, then puts it back on. To this day, that was the most traumatic three minutes

of my career as a nurse. Let's just back up to the too many orgasms thing. What would cause someone to have that many orgasms? I don't know, but I also don't think I'd go to the hospital for it. I don't know, because I feel like I would. I don't know. If they wouldn't stop, I would go get checked out because like that, I mean, think of like the exhaustion. That is true. That is true. But I'm just like, okay, so you went there for that. You knew a

prerequisite was going to be. Wait, do you think you could take a Benadryl for that? I'm not sure. Like, what could you do to like stop that? Like a sedative? Something. I would have like, it had to be like a tranquilizer. Do you think they have like Viagra reversal? Well, isn't it, I don't know if this is false information or not, but you know when they have the commercial for Viagra and it's like if you have an erection lasting longer than they, have to stick a needle in your penis and draw the blood out. Oh, nobody's doing that to my vagina or anywhere close to my clitoris, so good luck. I'm not really sure. And then I guess also if you're having like frequent orgasms like that, is it can't, you know how you can have internal or external?

So like clitoral orgasms or like vaginal? It's like completely different. Yeah, yeah. So are we talking vaginal orgasms or are we talking? Well, that's what like regardless. You're not sticking a needle anywhere to suck any blood out of anything. That's awful. How would somebody, why, this goes back to the age-old question since we started doing foul place, how does shit get all the places? I don't understand, unless it's exploding out of your asshole before you sit on the toilet, what is going on?

But you're like in the ER, so like at that point, pull the string that says I need help. Like, on the fucking wall. Phone a friend. Like, there's lifelines. And, like, block the bathroom off so nobody else goes in there. I can't. I don't understand. But once you grab your shoe out, rinse it and put it back on when it's mesh.

No, I'm literally leaving it in the toilet and pressing 911. Like, pressing the help button. Because at that point, you need to get gloves. You need a hazmat suit. Because whatever bacteria is on the diarrhea, is not coming home with me on a shoe. It's not going back on my foot. That's never happening. I'm so sad Lindsay left because I don't know what she, I don't know if she would even wash that shoe. Lindsay needs to read these. And on that note, some closing things. Kristen, obviously, thank you so much for doing foul play with me.

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