Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - True Crime updates, Teen Pregnancy Comeback & a sus Craiglist Ad

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

CC466: In today’s episode, Lindsie takes a moment to address reports of her death (again!). A moment of silence...ANYWAYS! The ladies dive into a series of true crime updates, such as the ongoing Lindsay Clancy trial and Apalachee High School shooting trial. The ladies react to the Teen Dad TikTok saga involving a 12-year-old and a 15-year-old. Kail shares some BTS insights on the early days of 16 and Pregnant - discussing the original pay structure and the lack of royalties in the streaming era. Lastly, for today's Foul Play, a listener shares a WILD betrayal involving an ex-husband, Craiglist and a major breach of trust in the bedroom.Thank you to our sponsors!Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first month.Fabletics: Head to Fabletics.com/coffeeconvos, take a quick style quiz, and be sure to select coffeeconvos when prompted to unlock your 80% off everythingProgressive: Visit Progressive.com to learn more!Rocket Money: Cancel unwanted subscriptions by going to RocketMoney.com/COFFEECONVOSRoBody: Find out if you’re covered for free at Ro.Co/COFFEECONVOS. Rx only.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kail Lowry and Lindsay Crisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. All right. Hey, Lindsay. Good morning. Welcome to Coffee Convo's podcast. Hello from Dallas.

I'm actually recording with the ghost of Lindsay because if anyone didn't know, Lindsay passed away. Wait, what again? How did I die this time? I'm going to read you something that was sent to me. Shout out to Heather Lomeyer. She texted me this morning and let me know that you had passed away. Well, I've passed away in a fiery car crash. I've passed away like five times.

Five times a year? No, just like five times in total. Okay, well, the fan page called Nanny Faye Happy Fans reported that at 517, it says, with deep sorrow, we announced that Lindsay Crisley has passed away. And it says 1989 to 2026. With Deep Sorrow, we announced that Lindsay Crisley has passed away, sending shockwaves through the world of reality television and leaving fans stunned beyond words. The heartbreaking news reportedly broke in the early hours of the morning with closed sources confirming that the 36-year-old media personality was surrounded by loved ones during her final

moments. Within minutes, social media platforms were flooded with disbelief, tearful emojis, and thousands of messages asking the same question. How could this have happened? Lindsay Crisley, widely known for her appearances on USA Network, first stepped into the spotlight as the outspoken and independent daughter of Todd Crisley. Viewers watched her navigate family tensions, personal struggles, and public scrutiny. But how did I die? Nobody said. Nobody knows. So if you could kindly let me know how you were taken out, I would like to know. Like I said, well, my emotions have taken me out. Well, I just want to...

My current life emotions have taken me the fuck out. So you've heard it here first. Coffee combos will continue with the ghost of Lindsay Crisley. Yes, it will. So... Why did they put that on the fan page? Nanny's fan page? Yeah.

I don't know. Heather texted me and I said, I need to open the podcast with this today. It's probably because Nanny hasn't heard from me in 24 hours. Did you probably start? She's like, hold on. But I need to know, did you see the lights? The what? The lights. What do you mean? Like they say when you're about to pass away and when you're passing away, you see the lights. Like you see heaven. No, because I did not pass away. So no, I did not see the lights, but that is so true. Did I tell you when my granddaddy passed away? Yeah, he kept saying he was going to a party and he saw lights before he died.

I'll probably see the flames of hell. Yeah, so will I. Okay. So yeah, I just wanted to let everyone know. Also, we have a live audience today that no one knows about. So can I can I say names or okay. We have a live studio audience today. So round of round of applause for them. Claps. Yes. Can we insert. Yeah. Insert claps here. Okay. I need the update on Lindsay Clancy. Okay. Let me pull that up. First of all, you said that you didn't know who this was. No, I knew. And you sent me the video, like, late night of her in a wheelchair. Yeah. And then I, I know her by face, but I don't know her by name. So then when I, like, wrote when it was in the sheet for us to talk about it, I didn't remember her name. I just remember what she did. So Lindsay Clancy was the woman who, I believe, sent her husband to the store and then killed her three children and attempted to kill herself by jumping out of a window. and she survived and is now paralyzed in a wheelchair. And so there are updates on her. And so I wanted to just kind of let you guys know what is going on.

Okay, wait, before you give the updates, though, I think that her defense was it was like a split second decision. Like, basically the devil took over her and then she just decided that. But I think the prosecution saying that it was like a premeditated act. Interesting. Yeah. I don't really remember those details, but you're probably right. I just wonder, I don't know how old. I think he went to the pharmacy and then to get dinner.

And by the time he did that, she, I believe, killed her three children and then tried to jump to her own death. So she was accused of strangling her three children. She appears in court for the first time. And so the judge and attorney scheduled a March 2nd court date for oral arguments on several issues, including the request for a split trial. She was on suicide watch since her arrest, which I didn't realize. And she was charged with multiple counts of murder and strangulation. She pleaded not guilty and became a paraplegic after she jumped out of the second floor window following her children's death. The children were five years old, three years old, and eight months old.

Now, before I go any further, I want to say that eight months old, and I want to say even three years old, there could have been some sort of like postpartum situation. So that was said initially when this all came out like way back when. Wasn't this Massachusetts or something? Yeah, I believe it was. Massachusetts. No, I'm pretty sure it was. And it was said that she had struggled postpartum and had been on multiple medications. You don't remember that?

I don't. That she had gone to this doctor and he was prescribing her all of this stuff and she was on and off different medications dealing with the postpartum. Spartum. I did not know that. Yeah. That's giving Andrea Yates. That's giving crazy. Wait, I unfortunately did not know that it paralyzed her. So I thought the wheelchair, like when you sent it to me, was a ploy. No. So to your point, you said that the prosecution was saying that it was planned. And so in this article, it says the prosecutor said that it had been meticulously planned. She had concocted an errand that would keep her husband Patrick out of the house for at least 25 minutes,

just long enough so that she could do all of this. And then she had strangled each of her children with an exercise band, an act that would require holding each of them down for at least four minutes. And then she left from the, leapt from the second story window, fractured her spine and ended up in a wheelchair. So I also saw on a TikTok, it said that the husband had not talked to her, I guess, since this all went down and she had been in some type of like mental health institution or whatever. But I think her parents convinced him to call her on her birthday. And that's the first time

that they had ever spoken. I also read something online that, and I don't know if this is true, that he had forgiven her. Forgiveness is a crazy thing. It's hard because when I think about my own children and what it was like to go through like postpartum and things like that, I cannot imagine being in that state if that was the case. But I also, I mean, those lives can never come back. Wasn't she a nurse? That I don't know. I want to say she was a nurse. So, I mean, obviously her profession, but wouldn't you have some knowledge of being on and off doctor? I think she was like switching around doctors and getting all this medication. So I mean, isn't that like some responsibility on yourself as well, though? Yeah, but I think when you hit a level, it's like I'm borderline

without all of the details, like I'm borderline, like, having any empathy for her because I don't know if there was, like, psychosis involved or postpartum because I would have a little bit of empathy for that. But if there, if it was none of that, then, but I mean, in order to do something like this, you have to be mentally ill in some way somehow. I mean, yeah, you take an exercise being going to put it around your children's neck and hold them down for four minutes. You're fucking crazy. And then to be able to actually like. And I have no empathy for that situation at all. Fair. I mean, I know that you're way more empathetic person than me, but you know, here we are. What? Said, Am I? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Somebody sitting in this room said I'm the meanest person that they've ever met in their life.

I don't know. I, I'm like fake mean. I'm a fake news mean person, you know. Like, I'm not actually mean in real life. Yes, you are. Yes, you are. It's not funny. Like, why would you say that? Moving on. Moving on from that. Oh, so last week, whenever we were recording, You were like, I've been trying to talk about lace gushers for weeks. Yeah. So let me pull this up. I have created an album in my phone for podcast related items. And I was talking to somebody about all the things that were going on with like schools and drugs and this, that and the third.

And we were talking about like laced weed. And I think there was like this little boozy video that came up on TikTok where he's doing an interview about like. Not a boosy video. It was like talking about how like. Like he has homies that have been out on crack for 30 years and it's never killed him. But like fentanyl is scary because you use it once or twice and you could die. Right. And so that brought up the conversation of like people and drugs.

And then there was this whole thing going around. I think makeup artist told me that parents in some district were lacing gushers with drugs and then having their children going around schools and selling them in school. Like the kids knew they had drugs on them? So basically the parents were putting their children up to the drug dealing and the drug sales. This is kind of giving that dad where those girls had that sleepover remember and he like tainted the smoothies. Yeah, that's terrifying. Like, why would anybody do that? No, but the kids buying the laced gushers knew they were laced.

They wanted them. Like they were buying them. Does that make sense? Like it wasn't like they were just buying regular gushers or they were under the impression that it was regular gushers. It was they knew that they would be drugged. not to change the subject, but it's like kind of similar. Do you remember back when we were in middle school and it was like a privilege to have gum or like candy in the classroom? Yes. Remember that? And then we would like hide the gum up in the corner or like under our tongue. When the teacher turned their back,

we'd be chewing it or eating. Yes. Okay. Did you have any dealers at your school that like came and you could buy like a piece of gum for a dollar? No, we didn't have to buy it. We would just like give it to people and complain that they ate all our gum. Oh no. I had my whole business. No, you do. didn't. Yes, I did. Wait, that's iconic. Yeah, I did. So remember like bubble-licious packs and you could go to Walmart and they would sell them in like the five-pack? Yes. Like, I don't, I wouldn't say it's like a value pack, but it's like different. Yeah. Kind of like that. Yeah, I would go every weekend. One of my parents would take me and I would tell one piece of gum for one dollar. Bitch was rolling in the cash. Wait, did your parents know you were doing that? No. Low key, if my kid did that, came home and was like, mom, I'm selling- Entrepreneur. I would be like, wait. I had. had my own business. Yeah, no, I wouldn't, I would be so proud. Like, I wouldn't care. See, I would never bring the money home and it would never come on my backpack. It was like a locker type of situation. It, it stayed there. So then when I wanted like, you know, extra treats in the

lunchroom or whatever, I would just, you know, go to my staff. No, I love that. That is iconic. Isn't that great? Yes. I love that. But then I got in trouble. By who? The school. They caught you? Yeah, you can't have a business like at the school. What they don't know won't hurt them. They knew. Well, how did they find it? out. I'm dealing gum at the school in science. Like, what the fuck do you mean? How do they know? How did they find out? Someone snitched? Yeah. That was the same year. Okay, did you also do this? Coffee Convo's podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Fiscally responsible, financial geniuses, monetary musicians. These are the things people say about drivers who switch their car insurance to Progressive and save hundreds.

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I screenshot it and send it to Jackson, they can get away with nothing. When I was in school, you got the paper progress report sent home. Yeah. And they had to, like your parents had to sign them. Nobody was looking for me. So nobody was checking on mine. Oh. Most of the time they never got signed if they got signed.

I don't even know if I brought them home. So my best friend in middle school was an only child, straight a student. And meanwhile, she's fucking around with some girl like me that's failing math. And so I told her we were supposed to have a sleepover on a Friday and we rode the bus back to her house. but it was like the same bus to my neighborhood. And I said, you cannot show your parents your progress report because my parents are going to talk to your parents and they're going to know about the progress report

and I'm immediately going to have to go home. So straight a student and she forged my progress report for me. Did you get away with it? Yeah, I did. And then got smarter. So I hope none of your kids are listening to this and also my... Hey, I don't think they listen to coffee compos. But got smarter.

And then when I went to high school, I just signed my own syllabus because then the signature matched. Anything that ever had to be signed after that? In your handwriting? Yes. Okay, but hear me out because I'm thinking about like my own children and I have a lot of them. So it's like if they all, I don't, would a teacher really know? Because I'm thinking if they're all bringing stuff to me to sign, I don't remember the last.

Like, do you know what I'm saying? Like I don't remember the signatures what they look like. If their teacher signs something and they're like, hey, my teacher signed this, can you sign this? and they all brought them to me, I wouldn't be able to differentiate which teacher signed what. So when you have 30 students in a classroom and everybody is bringing stuff, how would they be able to tell? Well, I don't think they do signing papers anymore. I don't think I've signed a paper and ever. I don't sign anything except for like field trips, I think is like one thing that I sign. But to your point, I get from Elliott School specifically, get a text, a call and an email.

Like they all come in within the same like five minutes of each other. I'll get the text. No sooner the phone is ringing. And it's an automated message. Yeah. Your child wasn't in school today or progress reports went out or midterm results are out or whatever. And then it's also an email. And I'm like, okay, honestly, I've had enough.

Like I'm getting this from seven different kids. Wait. Speaking of schools also like follow the bouncing ball here. Remember that case that we covered the Appalachie high school? No. Where that kid like went in and blew up the school? Where were you? Probably in the flames of hell somewhere.

No. So the trial just started. They did like jury selection two weeks ago. What's the case? It's close to, I mean, it's kind of close to where we live, like where I live. It's the boy's name was Colt or Colton. Hold on. Let me pull this up.

There's so much morbid things going on in the world that they all are blending together and there's just so much shit happening. No, but I need, number one, I need to ask you. So they separated the trial. So the dad was charged and then the son was charged. Because the dad didn't properly lock up the gun? Yes. Well, he purchased the gun.

He purchased the gun and then it was not secured. Okay. I vaguely remember that. Yeah. And it was like there was like a documentary where the house was in shambles-ish. It was like messy and gross. Yes. Okay.

It's coming back to me. Okay. Just look up Appalachy high school shooting. So the dad's trial already started, but the son, they're still waiting for like all of these mental health evaluations and the son had pled not guilty. But there was a video that just surfaced. Yeah, I'm recognizing it. Okay. The video that just surfaced makes me so alarmed for our children in the public school system.

he went into the school with like a trifold like presentation board with the gun in the trifold thing and there's videos of him walking through everywhere all over the school with the gun and then they went into the bathroom resource officers the mom had called he had sent a text to the mom the mom called the school to alert them they went into a bathroom and pulled another student out of the bathroom and left him in there with the gun So like at what point is the school liable as well? They're all liable, in my opinion. Every single one of them is liable. I mean, if you watch the video, it's literally like him walking through the hallways. Wait, can we play that? Also, really quickly before we play that, I just want to add this. Like, I don't care what fucking depths of the country land that you're from, right?

Like, if you're from the fucking sticks and you're a country person through and through, like you're wearing camo, you got the mullet, you got the whole stereo. type thing going on. So your dad, road kill Ray. Roadkill Ray. Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't give a fuck how much you are a country boy.

Why are you buying a child a gun? I don't give a fuck how country you are. Your child doesn't need a gun. You can buy the gun. And if y'all go hunting or target shooting at any point, you need to lock the guns up. But isn't that the law? But people, you hear stories about parents buy, oh, I bought that. I bought that knife for my son.

I bought that gun for my son. For what? For what? It can be for them and then you can lock it up and literally only unsecure the gun when you're about to go with said child to go do said activity. So the dad's facing 180 years in prison. Did the boy end up killing anyone? The school shooting? Oh, he shot people? Yes. He shot people at the school. As the prosecution wrapped its case against Colin Gray, the state played jury, the state played jury. security footage from inside Appalachie High School in Winder, Georgia. On September 4th, 2024, Gray's son, Colt, is alleged to have opened fire in the school, killing two students

and two teachers. Cameras caught Colt Gray in class, fidgeting, texting, then eventually walking into a bathroom with his backpack, where he contacted his mother, who then called the school. A short while later, resource officers go into the bathroom and take out a different student, with a similar name. Colt follows afterwards wearing yellow gloves, carrying the bag with a poster board concealing an AR-15-style rifle. The final image allowed to be shown by the court's pool camera, Colt peering into a classroom holding the firearm. Today, as prosecutors began their replay of the actual shooting, the pool camera shifted to Colt's father Colin, who immediately broke down in tears. Obviously, I don't know all the details of the gun situation, but watching the dad get so emotional and upset about that.

He has to have some level of regret for essentially being negligent and not tying up, like, securing the gun. So in some ways, it's like, okay, yes, you should be charged and convicted for your role in it. But I also don't know if I necessarily think 100 years, I think that's too much for the. dad. So the articles that I was reading, because I've been following the case, like, very heavily, and it said that people believe that they are going so extreme on this to make an example. I struggle with that a little bit, too, because yes, is he guilty and should he be held accountable? Absolutely he should. But 180 years, I mean, if you would have watched the dad's testimony, he's literally bawling. And he said, that is my son. And the, like, cult that I knew was sweet. And,

this whole other side of him was a side that I didn't know. To play devil's advocate a little bit is like Holt possibly could have done this whether or not that specific gun was secured or not. He could have found another way to take action the way that he did. And so, but I also do wonder, because I vaguely remember there being details and like warning signs that the parents did or didn't necessarily follow up on. And as a mom myself, like I go to the end of the earth for my kids. Like if I even so much as think that my kid needs a doctor appointment and I'm overdramatic and people have told me, Kiel, he doesn't need to go to the doctor.

Relax. They're going to the doctor. So if I'm seeing signs of withdraw or like just weird behavior, the first thing I do is taking my kids to the doctor or whether it's a psychiatrist, psychologist, the pediatrician, whatever that is. So like when there's only one kid involved, how are both parents negligent on that aspect too? So I think the mom was semi absent from his life. I think she lived in another state. So I think he was living with the dad with the sister. And she didn't really have that much to do with him.

I thought it was a stepmom. He was living with the dad. I think I'm maybe meshing two cases together. I mean, probably because that's like what you do. That's why we can't do true crime anymore. Yeah, I can't do it. That's literally why we can't. No, but that's, it's really sad because that dad, he, one thing that he could have done and he didn't do it.

And now the rest of his life is over. And people died, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's terrible. Isn't that freaking horrible? Okay. What's this teen dad shit?

Oh, wait. I saw this on TikTok. And... Teen dad? Yeah. So it's the teen dad. You probably saw it all over TikTok too. It was like a girl and she's going to, they're going to be on a reality show.

And I think she was like 14 or 15. And then the boy was 12. 12. Yep, I saw it. Yeah, and then she's been posting like follow up TikToks, like going against the boys family saying, no, actually what they said is a lie. And she had all these photos of them being in a hotel together with his family or her family. And she was in the bed with like a grandma and him. Oh, I don't know anything about that. I just know that there was a 12 year old dad and a 15 year old mom. I thought they were going to go on like unexpected or something. Yes. The reality show. Yeah, that's what I heard.

A 12-year-old is not even there yet. Should not be there yet. But why is a 12-year-old dating a 15-year-old? That's disturbing to me. Even if it was the other way around, even if it was the girl that was 12 and the dad was 15, like even that, like a 12-year-old, like, I don't care if it's three years. Like that's- But why were they ever in the same bed, whether it be her grandma or his grandma?

Were they in a relationship? Yes, they were in a relationship. How, why? How do you get in a relationship? If you're 12 and 15, like, number one, where did you meet? Like, maybe, what is that middle school? So Lincoln's 12 and he's 6th. Sorry, Lincoln's 12 and he's in 6th grade.

So he would be in 6th grade and she would be in 9th grade, which means that she probably would have been 8th grade when he, no, 8th grade when she was in 5th? 15 is either, depending on when your birthday is either 9th or 10th grade and then 6th grade. I don't, listen, Lincoln's 12. he's not getting a girlfriend now. I don't care if the girl's 12. I don't care if she's 13. I don't care if she's 11.

You're not having a girlfriend at 12 years old. You're not. That's literally the same conversation that I had with Jackson. Like, we're not focusing on girls. We're going to focus on our friendships. We're going to focus on our home life. And we're going to focus on basketball. Like, that is it.

Where is the responsibility on the parents here? I think it's full responsibility on the parents. 12 years old. I mean, how do you even know what to do? Like, at 12. Like, even just like self pleasure. Like, how old are you? Okay, let's talk about Fabletics for a second because I'm wearing it right now for this episode.

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Like 12. I don't even think 12 is crazy work. Like how do you even know how to get hard at that age and put it somewhere? No, but my focus is more so on the fact that like my 12 year old is never going to be alone in a room with a girl at that age for any period of time. I mean, even if they're about to go through puberty or they're jerking off at that age, you're not getting. And like, what circumstances would allow that to happen? Lack of parenting. Where are these people from?

I don't know, but let's play the TikTok. I was 12 when I found out I was going to be dead. Now I'm 13. I didn't think I would be finishing eighth grade and becoming dead at the same time. I didn't think at 15 years old I'd be pregnant. I didn't think with a 13-year-old either. I took a golf class. so I think I'm going to win.

Like we should have sent you to a sex ed class. Dad, I took the sex ed class and failed that one, but I passed the child growth and development class. Oh, good thing. I was trying to prevent teenage pregnancy. How? Where? Where?

When? The condom broke. Oops. I found out I was pregnant because I missed my period. My periods were 28 days on the dot. When I missed that period that morning, I was like, Mom, I need to take a kid. test. Surely enough, it was positive. I literally think my heart sunk that day. Look, she literally grabbed the test off the camera, sort of ready. We could have waited a little bit longer, I guess,

but it was his idea. Not to get pregnant. No, not to get pregnant. To have sex. Is it hard to talk about with your mom sitting right here? No, she knows, like, I'm very open, but, uh, like, all he wants to do is have sex. What? What did she say, I'm not going to get pregnant again? I'm only pregnant. Oh, my gosh. He don't even like that girl. I could tell by the look on his face. He don't even like that girl.

I mean, what's so weird about it, too? And I'm not trying to be petty spaghetti, but they don't even look like they live in the same town. They don't look like they would ever cross paths. They look like they're in two entirely different friend groups. I mean, they are at 12 and 15, yes. I am concerned about this because why do you even like a 12-year-old? If a 15-year-old girl was interested in my 12-year-old son, jail.

You're going to jail. I'm calling your parents and I'm calling the sheriff's deputy. Not the sheriff's deputy. Is that a position these days? I don't know. Or is that just in the books I read? I think it's just the books that you read because I hadn't heard sheriff deputy since like Andy Griffith.

Who's that? What was that show called? Family guy. Family guy. Oh. No, the Andy Griffith show. Who is that? You've never watched that?

I thought that was the guy with the butt chin, the cartoon. Wasn't like Mayberry? What is Mayberry? Is that a location? Yeah. Where are they from, for real? I don't know. We're making all of this up as we go.

That girl, if she, okay, wait. No. Wait a minute. If she's 15, she wasn't even born when 16 and pregnant aired. So she didn't get the memo, right? Like she didn't get the scared straight moment where it was like, but you know what? she knew what she was doing. Watching that and like her slick smile and like her laughing about it, she's a problem.

She knew exactly what she was doing. She thought that boy was cute and she's like, I'm going to trap him. I'm not a girl's girl for this episode, am I? Trapping somebody at 12 years old. That's some wild sinister bullshit is what that is because I can promise you if some 50, in any chance that my son at his age right now got a 15 year old girl pregnant. I'm going to jail. I need to know more. We need to get them on Coffee Combos podcast.

I have so many questions. But here's the thing. And you're going to disagree with me. And that's fine. I really don't give a fuck. 16 and pregnant did some great things. I get it. I've talked to Tyler about this.

Like, you all did some great things. And then you had teen mom. But for the audience of people that were watching that, I don't think that it necessarily was a memo of like, don't get pregnant for those. that are curious to maybe want to do it because they see these girls are now being televised and making all this fucking money. But it wasn't always like that, right?

Like I'm talking. When was it not like that? The first season where we're exploiting our entire lives for, I think like it was maybe 10 episodes. It might have been 8, might have been 12, somewhere around there. We made $10,000 for the entire season, which was the entire year, $10,000 before taxes. But it wasn't like that for you. you. What I'm saying is the network did a disservice to some degree because it, you know, and then you've got the height of social media. So people want to be famous on social media.

The kids that are out there, you know, fucking around, getting pregnant. They see these shows. They want to have a life like that. And you're like, oh, we can do it. I do see that viewpoint. I do. But I also like, and I've thought about that because people will be like, oh, did you just get pregnant for the show? and I'm like, no, I already was pregnant when I applied. I do think that there was probably a small number of people who were like, I'll get pregnant and apply. Yes. But I just want to say that like when you're going into it,

when I filled out whatever the form it was for the 16 and pregnant episode, I knew going into it was just one episode. I did not ever expect to be on teen mom itself. I didn't know that teen mom itself was an option because I think I applied when it was 16 and pregnant still. I also just knew like, what are my chances really? like I didn't think going into it I would get picked. I just knew that there was going to be millions of other people or thousands of other people that were applying.

So like I went into it knowing like I'm probably never going to. I actually forgot that I even did it. Do you know what I'm saying? Did you know like what the monetary value was before like on the casting or whatever? So you had no idea. I had no idea. We got I'll probably get. I won't get in trouble.

I've talked about it. 16 and pregnant itself, that one episode, we did filming for our pregnancies and then the birth. and we made $5,000, the girls made $5,000 before taxes for that one episode and the dad's made $1,000 before taxes. I don't know what I thought it would be. I didn't, I just know that I needed something. If I did get picked, I knew it would be something. It would, I don't even know, get me a car, something. I just was desperate.

It was more out of like a place of desperation. But your situation is very different. Like the way you're describing it is very different because now these other networks, like TLC, for example, they're doing rip-offs of 16 and pregnant, teen mom, all of this stuff. You can't convince me as quick as that girl got pregnant with a 12-year-old boy and then all of a sudden she's applying to some show. You can't convince me she did not know what the fuck she was doing. Maybe it was the parents, like how she was acting. I'm like, who allowed you?

What kind of, whatever? Can you make this TikTok up on the screen? Millennials aren't having kids because of the economy because of housing. They can't afford houses. Yes. But also, 16 and pregnant scared us straight. That was our scared straight. I'm in my 30s and I'm afraid of being a teenage mother.

I'm married and I don't want to be a single 16-year-old that's having a high school relationship that's failed and it's going to end up on TV. That's how good that propaganda work. Like we talk about the DARE program and oh, don't do drugs and all that stuff. 16 and pregnant needs to be studied because it was too effective. I don't want to go through what Macy was going. through with Ryan or what Amber was going through with Gary. Excuse me. I'm scared still to this day.

Scared straight. 30 years old. Still waiting to feel like I am ready to have a kid. It worked too well. When I think about everything that that girl who had the twins went through with her baby daddy and who else, Farah losing her baby daddy, no. It's just so interesting because I think 16 and pregnant and teen mom, they never won any Emmys. But it was a groundbreaking series that's literally in school textbooks now.

Isn't that crazy? Crazy. And I think between 16 and pregnant and teen mom and the state of the world and economy and society, all of that combined is, and Gen Z I think is like millennials and Gen Z are both not having children the same way. I don't necessarily think that's all to credit teen mom and 16 and pregnant. I was about to say that. I think that millennials it had an impact on. But then also just everything else, like we don't want to be, we don't want what generations before us had and were subject to and stuck in. And so I think it's just it's a combination of all.

But for the millennials, I think it made it did have a significant impact. I will say that. I feel like the economy. I feel like some of teen mom. I feel like it was such a widely watched show at the time that it was airing. How do you feel actually about teen mom being on streamers now? I have mixed feelings about it. From a business standpoint, I'm upset because I exploited my life for, in the grand scheme of it all, not a lot of money.

And we couldn't have predicted the streaming service. And so the money that people think that we made versus what we actually made is really upsetting today. because there's we don't my contract expired right so I'm completely out of all the exclusivity clauses and all of that and so I look at it now and it's like when it came on Netflix we don't get royalties from that so you guys are still making millions of dollars off of us I no longer make that money but I'm raising kids that you guys exploited for millions of dollars and I would like to say that like because that wasn't an option back when we signed our contracts, I do feel like there should be some sort of something where we could all come together

and basically be like, this wasn't an option when we signed the contracts now that it is. You do owe us money because we're raising kids and you left us with no resources. I feel like that about Chris Lino's best. Like once it went on, I guess, Peacock, I think that's NBC. Is Peacock? I believe so. Yeah. Peacock is also, no, Paramount.

Paramount. I don't think paramount. Peacock is NBC, I think. Yeah. I mean, they put all seasons of Crisleino's Best on that. And it's like, I signed up for that to be aired on that date with reruns on Bravo and E, not on a streamer. So there should have been some type of financial exchange. Well, there's no, I don't believe there was Paramount Plus.

And then there was no like streaming reruns on Netflix at the time that we signed those contracts. So at the point that that was an option, we are owed something for them to continue to make money. It's called syndication. Like when a show goes into syndication, I think, is what it's called. Wait, okay. So the question that I have, do you feel like reality shows shape team perception of parenthood? I mean, in some ways I think they should, right? Like, remember the secret life of American teenager?

Yeah. That was trifling. Teen mom was trifling. Straight trifling. Like, I went into a community college and was like, I can't pay my tuition. So, like, it should. Yeah. But does it?

I don't know. I think to your point, everyone wants to make a paycheck. Everyone wants to make a come up. Everyone wants to be famous on social media. Everyone wants to make money on social media. So it's like they take that and they're like, to your point again, like, oh, I want that too. I'm going to do it. Do I, I think for people that like want to be safe and they're watching, like, I watched teen mom.

I watched teen mom in college. Did that make me like want to have a baby at that time? Absolutely not. Did it scare me away from having a baby? Also absolutely not. Interesting. I was watching it to like follow stories of people that were doing life different than me. But I think that you also had some idea of like a healthy normal family where like that wasn't your thing, right?

Like where like people like me, I guess like my family life and my childhood was so broken that I was like, oh, I'm pregnant. One, I didn't know. I didn't know what sex was. And then the other side of it was like, oh, now I'm pregnant. Well, there's unconditional love right here. So it was more like filling voids and like trying to learn what love. I just wanted to be loved so bad my whole life. And so once I found out I was pregnant with Elliot was like, I'm going to keep this baby.

This is going to be like I'm going to do something that I never had. Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes so much. So like when you come from really, really broken homes and broken circumstances, I think that you view life differently. And so when you come up in not saying that it can't happen to someone who is wealthy, I mean, Chelsea grew up pretty wealthy, I think. Yeah. But then she also didn't go on to have all kinds of pregnancies with everybody that she was with like I did, you know. Okay, everyone you know is talking about GLP-1s, and I just want to remind you that Roe body is a great option for this.

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Like, that's crazy. Like, I never would pull up to a pump and be like, hey, that's my guy. No, but I've seen, like, threads of people doing, like, conspiracy theories about it and, like, is that true? Is it not true? Like, I don't think it's that weird. I think it's freaking outlandish. Like, you've never met someone that you have instant chemistry with ever. No.

Really? No. I don't know. I don't think it's weird at all that they met at a gas station and were instantly attracted to each other in any way. Like that is not. Like what are you doing though when you go to the gas station to be in that mindset to be like, you're not in the mindset? That is my man. I honestly think that that's a very strange thing. Like never in my lifetime have I pulled up to a quick trip to pump gas in my car. Number one, I don't even like to pull up to the gas station ever anyway. I'm always on E. But in the event that I went to a quick trip. And I'm pumping gas in no way, shape, or form. Am I even looking around to find a man? the gas station. I don't think either of them went into it thinking they were going to find their lover for life. Like I think in my head, the details that I vaguely remember, I feel like it was like they were

just living life and then and then saw each other. Yeah, they were pumping. Yeah. So like what is wrong? Like I'm not going to a gas station thing. I'm going to find the love of my life. But like if it happens, it's like cool. Like that's the lores. Like they fell in love at a gas station. You know what I mean? Like I could see that as like a love like a rom-com or something that I. I would read. Like the trope of a book. I mean, I like it. Like, Adi Jimenez is going to write that. You know what I mean? It sounds better than falling in love on a boat. You know what I mean? Do you remember back in the day, like, when nudes were popular? Yeah, I sent him one in 2018. It was a good one. I might release it myself, to be honest. But anyways, I digress.

In 2018. Yeah, I sent him a nude. I was single at that time. It was single at that time. How did you send it on Snapchat? On Snapchat. So you just, your friends, on Snapchat and you're just like, this sounds like a good idea. Let me spread my fucking lips. No, it was just from, it was the waist up. Don't just titties out. Yeah. Was that when you had your nipples pierced? I, yes, it was. I did have my nipples pierced. And Chris and I had broken up. We had been broken up for some time. And I was single at that time. So that was the only communication was the nude? No, we would, we would talk sometimes. Like, I can and I have known each other. I know, but did the

nude just like come out of thin air? Like, was a conversation going? on and then the nude or yeah for sure it was like a conversation and then i sent the nude i had it do you want to see it yeah okay so while you keep talking i'll pull up the nude okay so that what was i might you have me flustered at this point like i got to find the year it's going to take you in it you remember like when it was like so popular when people were sending around nudes oh sending around yeah oh that's terrifying like why was anybody ever doing that and when did nudes go away when people started sending them around when it became a concern and it became essentially like a way of like extorting people and there was lawsuits and then also children getting them and passing them around within the schools. I think that's when they were like, okay, you're, we're having conversations about nudes. Did you stop taking nudes? At what point? At any point. Yeah. Like I haven't taken a nude in a long time. I took a picture in my skims undergarments this morning, but like I'm not going to do anything with it. You know what I mean? But like full on nude, I couldn't tell you the last time I took a full-on nude. Probably with the fucking horse. When was the last time you sent a nude?

I'm looking for mine. I know exactly what nude it was that I sent Ike in 2000. Were you like so proud of it? It was one of those that you were like, that's so good. No, honestly, no. I wasn't so proud. It's just that my boobs looked great and I needed to document that. As we speak, I'm looking for it right now. And I'm going to, we can blur it out or something, you know. He said that you were taking nudes in New York City. Yeah. Oh, so last year I took nudes for sure is what we're saying. And you sent that to him? Yeah, we were in a relationship at that time. So what was it? Just your face? It was like in the mirror. Remember how people used to crop their heads off to like take nudes too? No, I never did that. It was like no face, no case. Never did that. Wait, okay. So did you know there is a sexually transmitted ringworm that is on the rise? I'm the one that told you about that. And I have, same thing.

it in my phone because I'm disgusted by this because. But how are you sexually transmitting a ringworm? I thought the worm got on you. Like when you get ringworm isn't because a worm got on you? It's like I think ringworm can come from animals like outside. It can come from like wrestling match, gymnastics, stuff like that. And I think what's happening is that the ringworm is probably spreading to your genitals and then you're spreading that to your partners.

But I had seen this on Instagram. and it's going in their face and their mouth, too, because of oral. Oh, my. Let me see that. Oh, that is crusty. Isn't that horrendous? Let me tell you a story about Ringworm, and it's going to piss me the fuck off while I'm talking about it.

So last year, Elliot's at his dad's, and the entire family gets warm. Oh, I remember this. The entire family gets Ringworm, and I don't know about it, okay? I don't find out about it until Elliot is sent to my house. And now I'm pissed off. Because now you've sent my son to my house without telling me about the ringworm. And honestly, I'm being, I'm being as respectful as I can about this. My family has never experienced it.

Like, we've had a hand foot and mouth, of course. We've had that already. Not the whole family, just Lux and Creed. But the ringworm thing piss me the fuck off because your whole family has it. So at that point, you have an obligation to keep Elliott over there until everybody's healed. Do not send him over to my house so that my entire family can get it. When I, at the time, I had one-year-olds. Mm-hmm.

So I'm pissed off. Leave him over there. Let him heal. Elliot, to this day, has massive scars because it turned, the ringworm turned to staff infection. But how does ringworm get that bad? I mean, what I just saw on that photo looks like scabies or whatever they call it. I had ringworm when I was a little girl and my nanny told me that it came from cat's butt holes. Well, that's how Elliott's family got it.

They got it from a cat. From their butt hole. I don't know about that, but I know it came from the cat. They had adopted a cat. I mean, you and I operate very differently than that. Like, if there's some kind of illness that's going on in my house. Keep the kid over there. I'm just going to keep him.

Or vice versa. I don't want it coming to my house. So if you have it and I haven't got it yet, don't want it. Keep it at your house. Okay. So, well, that brings us to foul play. And this is a long one. So buckle up.

Okay. Hey, ladies. I love your podcast. And I'm honestly not sure which story I should share because I have a few juicy. ones, but I'll start with this one about my ex-husband. A little backstory, I met him when I was 21, so too young to be making such big decisions. And I also have some daddy issues that caused me to turn a blind eye to so many red flags. Don't we all? I'm now 33 and in a much better place. Now to the story. It was March 2015, and the night before my ex and I were supposed to fly from Michigan to Seattle

to visit some of his family. We worked opposite shifts. He worked overnight as a security guard at a hotel, and I was working days in a retail job. As soon as I got home, he left for work and I was home with his daughter, not ours, just his. After I fed her dinner and got her into bed, I get on my laptop to kill some time. I think most women have a sixth sense about certain things, and my gut was telling me to check the browser history. When I did that, it showed me so many links to Craigslist and my ex's emails. After my quick investigation, I learned that he had put dickpicks on Craigslist and was looking for men to come over. over to give him blow jobs.

The pictures clearly showed our bedroom in the background of the house that we had just moved into a few months prior. I calmly called him and asked him if we could go somewhere private so we could talk. Once he said he was done, I fucking lost it. I asked him what the fuck he was doing and confronted him with all my evidence. I had him red-handed and he still tried to lie his way out of it. Insert eye roll. He swore it wasn't him that it was his ex putting old pictures up trying to frame him.

I screamed, that is our bedroom in the background. How fucking stupid do you think I am? He then told me he needed to get back to work and he could call me later. A few hours later, he called me letting me know that during this time in the army, if he wasn't able to get any action with a woman, he'd go visit the only gay guy in the unit willing to suck him off, willing to literally suck off anyone. Like, I don't care if I'm a man and I have a callous hand. I would rub one out before I did that.

Men will fuck a pie. Like, you know you can go. get some somewhere and it doesn't have to be from a man unless you're gay. Yeah, exactly. He swore he wasn't gay or even by. He just enjoyed the attention and it's easier to get a blowdrop from a guy than it is from a woman. And he was horny while I was at work. Well, this is an impulse problem. This is a, this is an impulse problem if that's the case. I was seeing red and was ready to cancel our trip for the next day and move my shit out. He begged me and cried for me not to cancel the trip and leave him. He swore he was sorry and this would never happen again. We know, we all know the usual. bullshit lies young women tend to fall for. We went on the trip and things were good for a little while, but the entire relationship was one hell of a learning lesson I'm grateful to be out of. This wasn't even the first time he had broken my trust by talking to other people on the internet and it wasn't the last. My dumb ass even married the idiot after this incident. I could and would be happy to share so many more stories of our time together. Thank you for

reading and I hope you enjoyed my foolishness. Okay, I have a couple of points that I want to make on this. Number one, somebody violent, taking a dick pick and posting it on Craigslist is wild work like as it is. But like doing it in your bedroom where you're intimate with your partner and then putting shit like that on Craigslist is so foul to me and such a level of betrayal. I would never get over that. Being in the Army and just getting your dick suck by, you know, Joe down the road is weird. Here's the thing. Straight men. And I read this on a post too that I saw online on coffee combo specifically. Straight men are not going to go look for men to do those things, right?

Like I would imagine a straight man who is that horny and has no impulse control is going to find a stripper, a hooker, a prostitute that is a woman. They're not going to result. Or like a rub and tug. You know what I mean? They're not going to resort to men unless they're gay and they have like an issue with it. What if he was by curious? For that. Yeah.

For that. And there's nothing wrong with that, but I think that needs to be like an open conversation because life is not black and white. So like if my partner came to me, I'm not shaming that. If they came to me in an open and honest way, I'm not shaming them. And said that they got sucked off by a guy? No, that they had like curiosity. Oh. If they're like, no, I am like a little curious of the opposite.

Like I'm not going to shame you for that because one, you're being honest with me. And two, like you're not mistaking my kindness for weakness. You know what I'm saying? Like you trust me enough. I trust you enough. Even if my man came to me and I was like and said that to me, I'm not, even if I wasn't bisexual, I would not shame them. I'd be like, okay, like, I don't think that we can be together, but like I want to support you through this. It's more so what I'm thinking. It is because you're fluid. If your man came to you and said, I think I'm bi-curious, you're not

going to fucking. Well, I'm strictly dickly, so take your bi-curious somewhere else. That's what I'm saying, but you're not going to be like, I hate your guts. You're going to be like, okay that's fine but go go figure that out without me you're not going to be like fuck you you're the bane of my existence i hate your guts it's going to be that is fine i mean i don't know because now you've wasted my time like at what point did you're not shaming him for being by or gay no no that's what i'm getting no no no that would not be it's more so about wasting my time it's more of like you've wasted my time you've been fucking me and duckin and doing all this shit for however long we've been doing it right and now

now all of a sudden you just want to go get your dicks up by a man. Like I don't. No, and I would, I would be frustrated with the time, like the time that I wasted, but I would not be frustrated that the person is bisexual or gay. Like, that part of it would not bother me. Yeah, that's not what I'm saying would bother me. I'm clarifying for the listeners. Yeah. But yeah.

No, we're on the same page there because I'd be like, well, fuck. Now we're like three years in and you're gay. Like, fuck. But like I also will help you through this. I mean, I think three years in and then all of a sudden finding that out, well, I guess depending on the age is like kind of wild work as well. But I just, I would never, I couldn't do it. Fair. I know you could. Yeah. But I would also, again, the time wasted would be upsetting. But everything else is like, all right, we'll figure this out. Like I would feel truthfully, and I think I've said this before, I would rather my man come to me and say, I think I want to get my dick stuck by a man. And I would be like, Like, great, I have no competition. I'm not worried about the next bitch. Exactly.

So my feelings are not hurt. It's not that you're not attracted to me. It's just that you don't like women. Honestly, I've always said if somebody is going to cheat on me, please do it with a man. Because I can't compete with dick. No. And I'm too insecure to be fighting over with a woman about this. Like, I can't.

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