Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Unmedicated anxiety, Duck Hunters & Cheating Spouses

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

This week Lindsie and Kail celebrate an eight-year anniversary and talk about the chaos of brand deals, from early regrets to their excitement over a new sponsorships. The conversation shifts to mental health, true crime documentaries, and discuss a dentist who allegedly committed insurance fraud by shooting off his own thumb before murdering his wife. Finally, they unpack the celebrity gossip.Thank you to our sponsors!Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first month.Cozy Earth: Go to cozyearth.com/COFFEECONVOS for up to 20% off!Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to learn more!SKIMS: Check out our favorite bras and underwear at http://www.skims.com/coffeeRoBody: Find out if you’re covered for free at Ro.Co/COFFEECONVOS. Rx only.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convoes with Kail Lowry and Lindsay Crisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Morning. Kitty cat. Oh, we're recording. Hi, good morning. I got my eight-year.

anniversary mug with coffee for my coffee combo. And we're in the eight year anniversary bamboozlers. We've been bamboozling the fuck out of people for eight years. And if anyone's wondering, this cute little knitted sweater with the hood is from Quince. I got an order yesterday and I did a try on haul. So that was really exciting. You were going to tell me something. What was it?

Yeah. Before I tell you, my entire outfit is fabletics. Exciting. Love. Oh, I got that set, that red set that you're wearing. I got it in black. It's so cute. I love it so much. I'm, I've become a Fabletics girlie, and I'm so excited that they are now sponsoring Coffee Convo's podcast. I feel like I hadn't seen him around in forever. And David's favorite joggers come from Fabletics. Lincoln's too. I had ordered him like mail, the mail line, and it was these joggers. And he literally was like, like mom, can you get me more of these? But the way Fabletics works is that they have like basically capsule collections at certain times. So I couldn't find them.

I am keeping my eye out for them now, especially because they sponsor the podcast. While we're on the topic of Fabletics, I need to say this because I was trying to tell Ike about this like a while ago because he's new to all of like this social media world and brand deals and sponsors and things like that. And I don't know if you were like this. But when I was on teen mom in the beginning years and brand deals, we started to become a thing because of Instagram. Yep. I would get offered brand deals left and right. And I'm talking thousands of dollars. And I never took them seriously in the beginning.

Like I had a booking agent for that type of thing. But like he would be harassing me and hounding me to get the content. And I never really took them seriously. Like I did them here and there. And like I would get the brand deal and basically sometimes I would execute and sometimes I wouldn't even post them. And now looking back, I wish that I would have not done that. I regret doing that.

I wish that I took them seriously. I wish that I would have put more effort and time into them. But I did not know what it was at the time. Like I just kind of was like, this is extra work. I don't need it. I don't need the money that bad kind of deal. So I kind of just like brushed them all off. And now I'm like, I wish I had more brand deals.

I just didn't know what I didn't know kind of thing. Like I thought it was like a short lived like, okay. And Fabletics was one of them. but that one was one that I did execute on Fabletics, I think. And then there were other ones that I just like didn't take seriously. Did you ever do that or did you always take your seriously? I feel like I always took it seriously, but I also feel like my personality is somewhat of a perfectionist.

I think I've gotten a little bit out of that. I just didn't know that they were what they were. Do you, does that make, like at the time my early 20s? Like I did not realize like what partnering with a brand. at that time to promote them could have led to where like now you see those same brands that built relationships to certain people have like diff eyewear has collabed with certain influencers fabletics is teamed up with like chloe Kardashian so there's like all kinds of companies that do stuff like that and i'm like i don't i wish that i would have known better i i wish i would have

spent more time like in that space I think and executed in a more creative way knowing what I know now. Yes. But also it's hindsight's 2020 because the way that we would have done things then is not the same way we would execute now. Does that make sense? Yeah. And like I'm talking about 2012. Like that's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about, you know, because I'm I specifically remember like before getting pregnant with Lux and then after getting pregnant with Lux sort of not really just taking them seriously. Like I would kind of half-ass them or whatever. Now I would like I just one, I only partner with brands that I love and two, I would just do it so much better now. Do you know what I mean? It's just so funny when I found out

that Fabletics was coming on to coffee combos. I had just started reordering from them. And I feel like their quality is really good and the sets are really cute together. And I love having the matching pieces. Like if I go to Lou Lemon, it's more so for like leggings, right? And I'm not necessarily buying the matching set. Okay. With Fabletics, I feel like I'm getting the whole matching set for less than what I would be paying somewhere else.

And the quality, in my opinion, is just as good. Yeah. I will send you the joggers that David loves. Like he swears by them. It's the only jogger that he will wear and maybe your boys would like them. Yeah. I wonder if they're the same ones as Lincoln loves. And he asked me last night, he's like, Mom, I need more black pants. So if it is those joggers and they have black, if they do, I'm going to order them for him because he loved them. He had like a, it's like a grayish beige color. And he's like, mom, I love these. So I, we love Fabletics over here. So I wanted to tell you that David came in with two of the coffee convo's mugs where I guess he had had them in his car where he had made coffee and then left. Oh. Okay. And I saw him in the sink and I'm like, I didn't drink coffee out of those. And then the next morning, you know, I just put him in the dishwasher and it's like, whatever.

The next morning he comes down and he goes to grab that mug out of the dishwasher and he goes, these are the best mugs ever. No, they really are. They literally are. It's going to be hot for so long. I, yes, and also they're big. They're like oversized, which I love. So often there's a mug that we all saw online. I actually got it from me.

And it was this mug and it looked like on the social media. What I think happened, so on the video, it looks so cute, full size, right? And then I get it and we were bamboozled. It was, it's literally like a shot glass. Here it is. Ike's going to bring it to me. And it's literally. so small like it's like a shot glass like it's just oh my god it is and so you get bamboozled a lot what

i think happened is the one on social media that we all saw that went viral was probably full size and then everyone else knocked off like it was like a knockoff is my guess and it was it's smaller that's just my that's really cute though no it's so cute because it's books and so obviously um it was a cute idea but like i don't even think a full cup of coffee would fit in here maybe like an espresso shot. That's what I was thinking. Oh, I've got to tell you. So when I went to Mexico, they had a little coffee bar at the resort. And obviously they have very different drink offerings over there than home. If I had to do it again, I'm not going out of the country for a long time, just as an FYI. Because if I can't go out of the country and come back and be well, then it's just

not for me. But I was off Alani for, I think, eight days. Never again. Like, if I can't take Alani, I'm not going. Do they not have Alani, like, there? No. And, like, their Gatorade offerings are different. Like, it's called something else. It doesn't taste the same. I feel like my guts were wrecked by the time that I got home. I don't have any plans to stop drinking energy drinks anytime soon. I know. It's like a commitment that I've made to myself. Like there are certain things that I can do to better myself. There are certain things that I'm not willing to give up. And the Alani is what I'm writing with. Yeah. Rebecca just side-eyed the fuck out of me. But I just, I, I, I, now that I've been medicated for several weeks on Adderall, I want to switch to Vivance, I think, because Adderall makes me

really mean. Really? Yeah, I'm a huge. I wonder why. I don't know. And I had said it to Ike. I literally said like I noticed I'm being a little bit more of a bitch lately. And so when I went to my Botox appointment, I was talking to Tanya and Tanya is a nurse. And she was like, Adderall can make you mean because I had to like update my stuff. And like I've always had the prescription for Adderall or ADHD meds and I wasn't taking them. So it didn't really matter. But then when I went to my last appointment, I had to tell her that like I'm now medicated. And I was kind of telling her like what was going on.

And she's not my doctor. It was just like shooting the shit or whatever. And she did say that it can make you mean. So I was like, oh, that's interesting. So I do have a doctor appointment on Friday, this Friday. And I want to see if she'll switch my meds to Vibans. I don't know if she will because she did give me a really hard time when I was on focalin.

I wanted to switch to Adderall. And she gave me a really hard time. So I don't know if she'll switch me to Vibance, but I've heard that Vibance can be better. in that way. So we'll see. I am prescribed by Vance. Why don't you take your meds? It's something wrong with my brain. Like truly, it feels like a task to do it. And I don't necessarily love the way that I feel when I'm on it, although I am so much more productive. And my train of thought is like very streamlined when I'm on my meds, which is obviously why I need them. I just don't like the feeling of being medicated every day.

That is really interesting to me because that's sort of where I was at when I wasn't taking the meds. I felt like it changed my personality a little bit. I do have a hard time with my feelings now. So like something could be really, really upsetting for me and I'm not crying about it anymore. Like I'm upset, but I'm not crying where like when I'm unmedicated, my anxiety is through the roof and I'm crying all the time. I would say these last two weeks I've done very very minimal crying but Monday I started crying because I hope I don't start crying now I realized how chaotic I have been living for so long like off your meds is okay so I like had a mental breakdown on Monday because I was like

I don't know how I've been operating this way for so long Because once I was medicated, like actually regularly medicated, I feel so much better about my day to day, right? Like, I'm more overwhelmed by the chaos where before it was like I thrived in the chaos. I didn't know how to operate any different. I, like, if I operated any differently, it was like I couldn't stick to it, if that makes sense. I don't want to mess up my makeup. I have shit to do today. And so now that I've been medicated, I feel.

like I need better organization systems. I want to stay on top of things. My focus is improved. Like I, the chaos that is my life when I'm not medicated, I never want to experience that ever again, ever again. So it's so interesting to me because you don't like the feeling of being medicated

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then you don't need something to be able to do it for you. However, I know I've been through multiple testings. I don't know if you know this about me, but even when I went and had Jackson, his testing done and stuff, I go to multiple doctors and get multiple opinions. I did that for myself as well because, you know, not that the doctors that I, the doctor that I was going to, I trusted, but I just like to have like a second opinion about something, right? And so for Jackson, he got the exact diagnosis from the first doctor to the first doctor to the first. second doctor. So as a mom, it made me feel like, okay, I can trust that because I didn't share the first diagnosis with the second doctor, right? And I compared those two things. And it did the same thing for me with ADHD. I went to one doctor, got the diagnosis, went to a second doctor, did not give them the information from the first diagnosis and got the exact same report. Oh, that's so

interesting. Delaware is really, really weird and challenging about controlled substances. And when it comes to ADHD. So one, finding a doctor who will even touch that is really difficult. And then two, you can't switch doctors when you are on meds for a controlled substance. So once you get, once you like go to a doctor, get a diagnosis and choose to go the medication route, you cannot then switch doctors. Well, let me not say you can't switch doctors. It is very hard to find another doctor who will touch that diagnosis and or the medication. Like they won't touch it. Okay. So I have a question for you now that you you are medicated. So Will didn't start medicating himself for his ADHD until after we divorced. Will has ADHD also? Yeah. How were y'all married in having a child?

What do you mean? I could never in my whole life marry myself how I am unmedicated. like two of us like that oh my god lindsay how did you function i mean we did successfully for 12 years together and he was not medicated and i was not medicated oh no oh no and then we get divorced first and I go to the doctor, you know, get the diagnosis, get the secondary opinion. He goes to the doctor, gets his diagnosis, secondary opinion. Because I also feel like in the time that we were growing up, and I don't know if it's the same for everyone, but I just feel like maybe it was for our families and it could be, you know, people in the South. But it's kind of like this mentality of you don't need anything. Like you don't need anything to take. I think Ritalin like really had like this bad

rap and parents didn't want to put their kids on it. And it's it's like, no, you just need to learn to behave. Right. And so you grow up with that mentality. So you're like, okay, I don't need to be medicated. Nothing's wrong with me. This is just who I am. And I think Will grew up that exact same way. Yeah. And so we go through the divorce. Will gets his diagnosis for ADHD. I have mine. He's medicated, thriving in life. I don't really medicate myself. I have my medicine, but maybe now talking about this out loud, maybe I should just try it for two weeks. That's, I mean, when I, I knew right before New Year's, I said, when I go into the New Year, I want to try 30 days straight, no breaks. I want to see what my productivity looks like for 30 days

straight. On one Saturday or Sunday, I can't remember. I was like, I don't have the kids. I don't really have anything going on. Maybe I'll just take a break for one day. And I just said, no, I need to commit to these 30 days. And I still took the medicine. I don't have any regrets so far. Okay. Well, then you have encouraged me to try to do it. What should be the goal? I feel like 30 days seems like a lot for me when I can't commit. Like you just said two weeks. If you could commit to two weeks and if you choose because the way it was described to me was that ADHD meds are considered holiday drugs.

So you don't necessarily have to take them every single day for them to be effective. But for me, I want to get in the habit of it. If two weeks for you is just the business days, like two business weeks, that might be for you to try or if you want to do the full 14 days, that might be for you to try. but are you documenting this stuff like in the way that you feel or like you know how you remember when you documented like your acutane journey yeah are you documenting this journey or no no not really um i mean i just talk about it on the podcast or on socials and it's like my friend sort of like you do daily wrap-ups true i mean what i could talk about like all the things i accomplished in a like in a day

I'll say that. Do you feel like you're taking the medicine is your mood more even to be productive? Or like what is it, what do you feel like the medicine's doing that makes you have the productivity? The focus. I'm not like a squirrel. Like I still forget things like the other over the last two days. Well, so for Elliot's birthday, I like put a bunch of stuff in my cart and I went to go check delivery and I hadn't pressed order so it didn't so like I'm still forgetting some things and then same for dicks like I needed to

order something for um Lincoln for soccer and I like went to go order it and then the app needed to be updated so I updated the app and then I forgot to place the order so like certain things are still happening but like I think overall I'm like okay I know I need to do this this this this this and then I do it getting it done might be a little bit chaotic because it's like okay I also have to record or I also need to go run this errand but I'm still getting it. all the shit done. Does that make sense? So it's not like pushing it to the next day. And then, you know, call this thing that I struggle with. Like, I will start something. And if I am on my medicine, I will do whatever I've started to completion. Yeah.

I have enough focus there to start it and finish it. Yeah. If I am not, it's not that I can't self-start and do it. It's just possibly not getting complete until three days. later. Yeah. So like for me, it might take me all day to do it still on my meds, but it's getting done. When I wasn't on my meds, I would start it and never go back to it ever again. So, and then also just not wanting to start also is like I just could not start something. It's like I know I need to do this and I'm just not doing it. I don't know. I just like myself better on meds. I think. I don't think I'm as funny on my meds, but just whatever. You feel like you're more even?

Yeah, I just don't have a whole lot of like... Outburst. Yeah, I'm a little less unhinged on my meds. I feel like our levels are like close to the same, whereas a lot of times when we're on the podcast, your levels are like here and mine are here. I will say though, I forget to eat on my meds. I'm forgetting to drink water on my beds.

I have heard that that's a very common problem. Wait, I have to ask David the documentary that we were watching last night. So let me tell you how this transpired. Okay, so we're both just laid out. We need to be on our backs. And so we've been taking showers, getting on the bed very early and going to bed decently early. And I mean, it's really like grandparent-esque of us, you know?

It's like giving like grandma and grandpa vibes. Okay. So we started on this documentary on Hulu. and it was apartment 603. It was three episodes. Watched it completed it. Well, you know how it'll like recommend similar things? Yep.

So then we went to Trophy Wife Safari Murder and we completed that. And that was like three or four episodes. I can't remember what the name of the documentary that we started watching last night was, but we got into episode three. and I can't remember if it's five or six episodes that they have this documentary, but it was the craziest shit. And I cannot wait. Do you ever get into something and you're like, I can't wait for the day to be over so I can like resume? Yeah, all the time. Like I feel that way about books or like certain documentaries and stuff. Yes. Okay. So I need to ask you this documentary that we're watching and

I will come up with a name and have it posted for you guys. But it was like, a group of best friends that went to high school together. One girl and guy got married and another girl and guy got married. And they live in the same community. They're still adult friends. They used to party together after they got married. Then they have children. One of the women's husbands goes missing on like a duck hunting trip.

Okay. I'm going to find out. The other husband was sleeping with, the other wife. Oh. And I haven't got far enough in, but I'm pretty sure that they concocted him to die in some way so that he would go missing because the husband that was over here that was not her husband, he was an insurance agent. And he had multiple life, the husband that went missing, had multiple life insurance policies. And then when he had been missing long enough, they were able to get the life insurance money from the multiple policies. And then they got together,

got married, and live off that life insurance. And it's like this whole investigation. And I don't, I don't know this always to be true. Like it's not foolproof. But I think if there's no body, you can't be charged with murder. So far that I have watched, I haven't completed it. For the first three episodes, they're looking for the body. The only thing that they have ever found, it said that 80 bodies had been found in that lake from like 1980 to current. And every body that had been found in that lake had been recovered. He was supposed to be like on a duck hunting trip.

The only thing that was recovered was no. remains of body at all, just a jacket that was in the bottom of the lake and duck hunting boots. That was it. I'm so curious, not that I'm, I'm not plotting a murder just for anyone that's listening. I'm not plotting a murder. But like, if you were to kill someone today, like, where, what are you doing with the body? Because there's CCTV, ring cameras, you know, all kinds of shit to get caught. Like how do you, where are you disposing of these bodies where it's never being found and you're not getting caught doing like, do you get what I'm saying?

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I don't want to say how many miles because if anybody looks it up. But this dad and daughter went out into the woods and they were dead in the woods, gunshot wounds. And it's being investigated. But it's believed that the dad shot the daughter and then the dad turned the gun on himself. But they don't know that to be sure. and they're investigating like whatever motive it is. I feel like in a place where

maybe like far south Georgia where there's like a lot of land and like dirt roads, you could get away with something like that. Yeah, but wouldn't, I mean, I guess like the circumstantial evidence of you like going in that direction wouldn't be enough. It wouldn't be compelling enough to like, because at some point, and I learned this from Beth Caris.

She's a legal analyst. I had her on Barely Famous. She said that at some point, circumstantial evidence becomes regular evidence because it's so compelling. Probably, you know, at the point that CCTV footage or like whatever ring cameras are not picking up anymore, but you're going in that direction is probably not enough to say,

like, okay, well, they went this way to hide the body. If there's no body and you're just going in that direction and they haven't located it. I guess I could see that. Or like West Virginia. Like I drove through West Virginia for when I was driving to Ohio for our live show last year or the year before, forget when it was. And I literally looked at Kristen and I was like, you could hide a body here.

Like there are so many. And same in Alabama. I was just. Yeah, with Matt. I was like, oh, shit. Like you think there's, I literally asked Matt. I'm like, you think they have bodies out here? Like low.

who's going to find them. Like I feel like who could get away with it in like very rural areas. There's probably lack of cameras. Like I'm thinking about where my mom's parents live. It's like in the middle of nowhere. Like somebody could die on their property and no one would know how it happened or who did it. Yeah, but it's like your phone still pings. So if you like kill someone else.

That's true. Yeah, that's true. And you're the last person. to see them like I don't I have talked to so many people who like have death wishes on people or like if I could kill them I would I don't have those thoughts like I never have and so it's so interesting to me because I'm like like why would you want that for somebody like the stress of having to cover up a murder could never be me that guilt and that like the subconscious would eat me alive like I would never be able to do it I couldn't okay so then this other um I briefly talked about it on the

Southern Tea, this trophy wife safari murder situation. Mm-hmm. I just want to, I want you to watch it. These, these all three were actually very good documentaries and I think that you would like them all. Very good and easy watches. But on this one, this man was a dentist, okay? And he goes on these hunting trips to this safari.

Yep. And he claims that he gets in an altercation with a crocodile. And that's how he lost his thumb. Okay. So experts on there were saying if a crocodile got you, it's going to take like your whole hand. Like the chances of it taking just your thumb. Like a digit. That's not happening.

And also they like roll you, you know? And so he was, you know, describing this crocodile encounter and how it like rolled him and like threw him everywhere and it got his thumb. So he comes home, he files insurance claim. No. As a dentist, you need 10 fingers. Okay. This man got approved for insurance for losing. that thumb. And mind you, you can see where he shot it. Okay. You can see where he shot his

fucking. You know what? It's it's the creativity for me. So A for effort here because a crocodile bit off your thumb. But the thing is, is like the bottom part of the thumb was still there. Like, this is what was missing. Okay. So it's like clear that he shot his. thumb, okay? Whatever. He gets somehow approved for this insurance. He's now being paid $30,000 a month for losing his thumb. He is now in prison and per the documentary said, still is collecting his insurance while he's in prison on a life sentence. A life sentence for murder. Insurance fraud? No, murder. Wait, wait, why? murder? Because he, well, he's appealing it, but essentially he killed his wife on the

safari because he was having an affair. And so, so, okay, so somewhere in this whole, you know, concocted plan, he kills his wife. That's actually how he lost his finger? No, he did the finger thing and started collecting the insurance money before he killed the wife. So he was already getting the $30,000 a month. And then he takes his wife, she was a hunter or two. So he takes his wife like on this trip. Okay. Here's the thing.

Here's the thing. Again, 10 out of 10 for creativity, right? And I'm not trying to victim shame. But she should have, that should have raised alarm bells at the point that her husband was committing insurance fraud. That should have raised some red flags for her. And maybe it did. Maybe she didn't have enough time to like do anything about it. But like, if my husband is all the sudden committing insurance fraud, like now I'm scared. Like now I'm scared for my life. If my husband came home and told me a story about how he had gotten into an

encounter with a crocodile and his thumb looked like what it did, basically the middle blown out. Okay. If that was the situation, I immediately would have called the authorities. So did he collect life insurance on her life as well? Yeah. So there were policies out the ass that he had had on her over the years that amounted to like four point something million dollars in life insurance. It's not worth for, like that's not worth it. I mean, yes, the kids tragically lost their mother and that there is no monetary value that you can put on that. But they're the real winners because when he, he's likely going to die in prison on a life sentence, right? He was already like dusty when he went in.

So, you know, he's probably going to die there. If he's getting $30,000 a month and let's just say, he stays in there 20 years, that's like close to $10 million that he's collecting in just insurance. So those kids are going to be rich as fuck. If he leaves it to them, he might not leave it to them. Well, that's true. I mean. You guys, like, I'm here to just remind you, go see a financial advisor.

Go look into health insurance term and full life. Because what the fuck? Okay. So this is leading me to ask you the question, if you had to have a job that required all 10 of your fingers, right? And you could blow one off and collect 30,000 in insurance a month. I'm not saying we're committing insurance fraud, but essentially we would be if we did that. I'm just saying in a hypothetical situation, would you. risk your thumb, like not having a thumb for $30,000 guaranteed a month? You're asking, would I do that? Yeah.

Did I eat that day? No, and you probably didn't take your meds. Okay. But if I took my meds and I ate that day, no, I'm not doing that. You know what I mean? Like, I'm thinking clearly now. Well, we don't need our thumbs for podcasting. I want to ask me thumbs and collect two 30,000s.

I, wait, so how does it work, though? Like, how, for him to collect the thumbs? $30,000 a month, is that sort of like the life insurance or whatever the insurance is, like the policy would cover his monthly, like, is that what he made as a dentist every month? I'm not sure. How does that part work? Because I don't know that any insurance company is going to pay me what I'm worth every

month. Like I don't know that they're like what I make monthly is going to compare with what an insurance would pay out for me. I mean, I'm sure it wouldn't. And obviously we aren't dentists and obviously our jobs, we, we, only need a couple fingers so truthfully i wouldn't need any fingers to podcast yes you would oh i wouldn't i've been broadcasting without my fingers for this entire episode no you have yes i have when have you see me touch anything on this episode how are you going to drink your coffee i mean i watched a girl on

tic-tok have a baby with no arms so i think i'll be okay this is true i mean literally move, like put her baby in the bassinet and she made the baby a bottle and then moved the baby from the bassinet to the couch and like prop the baby up all with her feet. So like, these people are superheroes. No, truly. So like I would figure it the fuck out. You're like, on that note, I'm going to go blow both my hands off. I guess I'm giving foot jobs and on feet finder for the rest of my life. Oh my God. Wait, can you tell me about this situation before we got on this recording, you were talking about like the Hillary Duff, Ashley Tisdale stuff. I've seen like a little bit of, you know, just like people articles and like e-news coming up. I really don't know what's going on in that

situation. I don't know what's going on. I just know that something happened in Hillary and Ashley's mom friend group and Hillary's husband, Matthew, got online and said some shit directed at Ashley Tisdale. And I'm like, I don't know if this is going to help or hurt. Hillary Duff's new situation, but here is the Hillary Duff Ashley Tisdale explained as of four days ago. Ashley Tisdell, Toxic Mom Group Drama, Explained. Ashley Tisdell from the Sweet Life of Second Cody

and High School Musical wrote an article called Breaking Up with My Toxic Mom Group published on the Cut. The article talked about how during the pandemic, she joined a mom group. This mom group was really great at first. It was like a sense of community. She found her people. Then the vibe started to change.

She noticed that there were side chats and side clicks. She would get online and see that the moms were hanging out, but she was invited or that our child's birthday party, they were making plans without her. Why are you all hanging out and not inviting me? Ashley Tisle got really fed up with being left out of this mom group. She texted the mom group saying, this is too high school for me. I'm done participating. Ashley Tislo breaks up with a mom group.

A few of the girls sent her flowers reached out trying to amend things. And a few of them just straight up ghosted are. The girls that did reach out to her to try to like amend things ended up actually ghosting her when she responded back. So she was like, fuck that. I'm done with that. Then she went to write breaking up with my toxic mom group. And this is where the drama that we're in is at.

So in the essay, she talks about the side clicks, the side chats, how she was just done. It felt really childish. In the essay, Ashley Tisdell did not say that they were all horrible, but she did say one of them was worse than the others. Ashley Tizzle did not specify which mom group she was talking about. Allegedly, she was part of this mom group that consisted of Mandy Moore, Megan Trainor, and the worst one of all, Hillary Duff. Again, the people in this mom group are alleged. After Ashley Tizzle dropped her essay and people on the internet started talking about it, Matthew Coma, Hillary Duff's husband entered the drama by posting on his Instagram story,

clap back at Ashley, basically mocking her, making it seem like, like he's doing the toxic mom group essay. Maybe if you weren't such a self-obsessed mom, after that, Christopher French, which is Ashley Tisdell's husband, also got involved and posted on his Instagram story, clap back kind of like at the whole thing. And people are like,

oh, shit, the husbands are now involved. And the reason that a lot of people assume that Ashley Tisdell is talking about these girls, the evidence shows that Ashley Tisdell followed Mandy Moore and Hillary Duff, but she still follows Megan Traynor. Also, Haley Duff,

Hillary Duff, sister went and like Ashley Tisdell's post about the toxic friend and mom group, which is basically a job at Hillary Duff. Hillary Duff and Haley Duff haven't spoken to each other in a few years due to different political beliefs. Ashley Tisdell, allegedly, there's been rumors for the past few months that she's gone Maga posting like Charlie Kirk stuff and people are like, are you a Charlie Kirk stand?

Hillary Duff literally doesn't even talk to her, like, cut her off for that reason. So maybe she's like, I don't fuck with you because of your political beliefs. Ashley Tisdell, toxic mom group, drama explained. I honestly wanted it to be a little bit more juicy. She should have just written about overcoming mom groups instead of just like airing her own shit out. You know, TikTok. So it sounds like it was all blown out of proportion, but I don't know. I mean, I feel like kind of like circles back to when we were talking about like the teen mom stuff.

I feel like it's like clicks within clicks, right? So friend groups are formed and then there's like branch offs. And I do think that that is somewhat like a natural progression as you build friendships. You're going to navigate like towards certain personalities more than others. And that doesn't mean that you all can't like coexist. But I've seen that happen in friend groups and I'm in, not necessarily mom friend groups, but just couples friend groups. And it just happens.

Like some of our interests are more similar than interest of others. And so people take very much offense to that. And I'm just not the type of person that's in a friend group that cares. Like let's say I lived in Delaware and let's say you were like, hey, Lindsay, I'm going to go and hang out with Kelsey and Emily. And I'm like, okay, y'all girls go kick it. Like, I don't give a shit. That's how I am.

I don't care. I don't care and I don't feel left out and I don't have phomo over it. But I do think that a lot of people cause their own toxicity and stuff within friend groups because it's the way that they look at things. Coffee Convo's podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. You chose to hit play on this podcast today. smart choice. Progressive loves to help people make smart choices. That's why they offer a tool called Auto Quote Explorer that allows you to compare your progressive car insurance quote with rates

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I don't know what her name was, but saying she could have, like, more generalized, did an article about friend groups and, like, toxic mom clubs and whatever, instead of relating it back to her situation for people to be able to pull out whatever they wanted to pull out. Like, why is everything on fucking social media? That's tough. Honestly, toxic friend groups in general are tough. I think some mom friendships are really hard.

The husband's getting involved is wild. Well, I think, to be fair, I'm going to defend Hillary and Matthew here because he probably felt like he needed to defend her. and I can understand like when when things get so public and when things are all over the internet you kind of feel like you have to defend them so I do understand that and like I don't know I've definitely been in situations like that but I will say it can be really really hard to be friends with moms where at first it is going really well so like what Ashley Tisdale said like it was it was really fun at first whatever and then things start to take a turn like if you don't align Like you become really fast friends, really close, really fast. And then you start to see where you do not align anymore. And that could be really toxic because you're like, how do I handle this? But I do think that there's lessons in that that are like very valuable about pacing your friendships, right?

Like or pacing your relationships. Like diving so deep knows first into something without knowing all of the things that you need to know. there is some accountability there like on us as adults to be like, okay, well, I dove so deep into that and I put myself in that situation. It's sort of like any friendship, though, I guess. Like you can grow apart. And to your point, like, just it moving quickly can sort of blind you and you don't see the red flags. And then it's too late because now you've posted this friendship all over all over the internet. You've talked about it. People know about it. And now all of a sudden there's this huge knockdown drag out because you don't actually align. But in the beginning, it was all fun in games. Old me would say, yeah, that's crazy. Like, girls need to fight their own battles and do whatever, and I can handle my own. This me, whatever 2026 me is, is like, no, my man's entering the chat.

I think in certain situations, it is absolutely okay for a husband to defend their wife. In certain situations, you kind of just have to let it be like the like pillow talk conversation you have at home and they don't need to intervene. But there are certain instances that I would say that it's, good to have your husband's support. Yeah. Like, for example, if, um, if we were somewhere and someone said something sideways to you and Ike was there, I think it's appropriate for him to step in and be like, hey, don't come sideways. I would agree. I would agree. Like that, I think that that's appropriate. Also, to your point with the Hillary Duff stuff, I'm going to stand with him too, because if she's publicly, you know, getting backlash or whatever, of course.

I feel like her husband's going to have every right to be able to step in and give his perspective and say whatever he wants to say, you know, to defend his wife. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. What is this shit that you said about this only fans model joining the Amish community? I need to pull up this article because former only fans model. This is an exclusive on people. So if you go on the people website, I'm sure it'll be there. former only fans model felt career no longer aligned with her values. So she left everything behind and ultimately joined the Amish community.

She had ties to the traditional lifestyles before she left L.A. and joined this community in rural, Pennsylvania, which I think is actually near where I'm from. And they made a rare exception for her. They wanted to expand his community's population, meaning non-Amish people inside. And so she actually got a TV show out of this, I guess, or on the TV show she becomes Amish.

And it says, I don't necessarily align anymore with being a dancer. I really have to, this is what she said. I really have to be picky with what jobs I morally feel comfortable doing. And that's none. When this opportunity came to me, I was like, this could be the out that I was looking for. So she said that OnlyFans was at her look. lowest point prior to her baptism.

And she admitted that her participation on the adult entertainment site stemmed from a lack of self-love. And she still struggles to forgive herself for that, which I think is the thing that, whatever, whatever people want to do to heal, I'm not here to like blame or whatever, like, tell someone how to heal. But when we're going from one extreme to the next, is there healing being done? Do you know what I mean? And I feel like only fans was one extreme.

going completely to this other one with being Amish is also very, very extreme. Like, I don't necessarily think either one of them is sustainable. When you said that, I thought about prisoners and how so many prisoners become very religious and close to God when they're incarcerated. And it's because they're at their lowest point of their life. And that's what they have. And so I think a lot of times that when people don't have fulfillment and have the knowledge of some type of faith, whatever, you know, it is, that that's the outlet that they turn to. And while I agree, it's like extremes.

I think this is really good, but I'm also a Christian person. You know, so I love the fact that somebody from only fans can be on a redemption tour and be, you know, a faithful servant of the Lord. What, what, how do you feel about like the second chance thing like that? So only certain people I feel get second chances. And with a story like this, I feel like so many people will be like, wow, like, you know, this is a good redemption story, whatever, where I'm looking at it as two extremes, like complete polarizing ends of the spectrum. That's why it's now a show. but like just in general why do you think it is that only like society only gives specific people second chances at redemption stories like and i'm talking more so like celeb celebrity stars people like that why do you think some people get second chances and some don't

like some people are remembered always for all of their fuckups no matter how much good they do in the world and then other people, it just doesn't stick for them. I wish we had an answer, but the answer that I'm going to give is going to be a very business answer. I think it's PR and positioning. I think it's proper PR and positioning. And a lot of people, you know, what you're talking about, a lot of people being tied to like certain stuff is because they maybe aren't really a healed person from that, right? And so they're trying to to put off as they're, you know, on this redemption tour, but really like behind the scenes, they're doing all the same stuff that they were doing. And so I think sometimes people see through it.

Okay. Okay. And it's like, I believe that you can truly tell a changed person. I don't think you, and I know you in a different way than, you know, maybe people listening to this or maybe the way people see you. perceived on press articles or whatever. I don't think you are anything the same person as what you were when you were married to hobby in a relationship with Chris and on teen mom. I think you're a completely, I don't even know that person anymore.

I don't know that person. I never want to know that person again. I just was curious because I don't know. And I've never heard of this show, but this, I mean, whatever works. see that Camilla from, I don't know if you know who she is, but she was one of the biggest only fans creators making millions of dollars a month. She made an announcement on New Year's Eve that she was no longer doing OnlyFans and has completely flipped the script and done an entire rebrand. I'll send you her profile. And she said, like, I think in the first like 24 hours or

48 hours, she gained like two or 300,000 followers from leaving Only fans. And people are more people are giving her a second chance and know who she is more now that she's made this announcement. And I just think that maybe that was the PR move. I don't know. Oh, here she goes. She literally popped up first on my timeline. Um, very pretty girl. Um, I'm going to send you her her whole profile. And, um, I don't know. Like I just, it's so fascinating to me how society decides who gets second chances. It's kind of like the story. I think it truly is like the story. in the positioning of the storytelling behind what someone's doing, right? Like, you've got to think going from, and I'm not shitting on only fans by any means.

Like, if you want to go out there and sling cooch and, you know, put your toes on there and whatever, knock yourself out, not my thing. But if it's yours, great. I think that it's polarizing, just like you said, because it is so extreme. You're going from extreme to extreme. Right. Like there's no. And I think that's captivating. I think that that's why.

It's captivating, but there's no healing in that, in my opinion. I'm not saying, I can't speak for her specifically, but if I go from one extreme to another, I don't believe in extremes. I feel like at the point that you get to that point, like there's something wrong. Like for me, for example, going back to church was a really hard thing because I, had not been in a church building since after my parents were convicted. I did not feel comfortable there that time that I had been to church right after they'd gotten convicted. It was very overwhelming with the people coming up and saying stuff and whatever and, you know, telling me that we're the

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That's BetterHELP.com slash coffee. Oh, Kiel's peeing with us. on copy combos podcast. I didn't want to stop the recording, so I just like to keep everybody on their toes. You know what I mean? Well, we're getting really intimate over here. So we're talking about only things and kale's on a toilet. That's going to be the next headline. Like, well, one extreme is the next. Kail just wiped cooch. I'll wash my hands, though. Okay, so am I supposed to be looking at this girl? She's, beautiful. She was, um, her name's Camilla. She was in the Bop house, which was like, and correct me,

if I'm wrong, anyone listening, you guys might know more than I do. I think the Bop house was like a creator, like a OF creator house, kind of like the house, the creator house or the content house or whatever it was before with all the TikTok. Yeah, that documentary. The hype house. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It was similar vibes, I think, to the hype house. I think the Bop house was where they all created their only fans content and they all like lived together and like helped each other create content and stuff. Stunning girl. Stunning, stunning, stunning. I did see some stuff on TikTok as people were talking about it. They were really conflicted because I guess that she never, I don't know this for sure. This is all what I've learned on TikTok. I'm just telling you guys like sort of what I've been following a little bit, following along a little bit. People were conflicted because she created her only fans account under this impression that she had all this spicy content.

And it allegedly was never that way. Like she basically bamboozled men and different people and led them to believe that her content had spicy content when it in fact wasn't that spicy after all. Like I don't think she was like doing porn or anything like that. And so they were like, okay, so you built this like crazy successful only fans and then it was very misleading and whatever, whatever. And then you turn around and now you're off of only fans and now you're created like I think it's like $6,000 or something. She's selling online social media courses is like her new thing. I don't know too much about it. I don't necessarily care. I think that some of her TikToks are really funny. She's very pretty. She

just did a video with French Montana. Like, I think that she's definitely doing something and whatever it is is working for her. Whether or not she bamboozled people or not, I have no idea. I've never been on her only fans. But it's clear that she knows how to make money. So this right here, though, is plopper PR. Where is that on her Instagram? Yeah. The Glamour magazine. Yeah. Like all of this is just proper positioning MPR. Yeah. I mean, it's just... I mean, I love it. I love it for her, but I, if I agree with you on much of anything, which I feel like we actually agree on a lot, I don't agree with extremes. I think it's,

it's weird, but I think that that's captivating for an audience. And when you're talking about a TV show or an entertainer or whatever, it is polarizing to go from one end of a spectrum to another. Yeah, for sure. I agree with that. Okay, wait. So since we were just briefly talking about TikTok, have you come across the page Courtney Cooks? Courtney, no. Okay, so you haven't seen people on there like recreating the video of the sweet potato. and putting like the cheese butter down in the middle? No. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Okay, so her name's Courtney Cook Bales. She's a high school English teacher, a mother of four. She's from Georgia. And it says she's taking TikTok by storm with her unusual teacher lunches featuring baked sweet potatoes, onion cups, and lots of cheese. One of her latest videos in this series garnered 11 million views leaving followers addicted to her content. So it says that she started simple with lunchtime posts,

which quickly turned into an addictive series thanks to her unusual taste in food and endearing personality. So it says that this baked potato thing stuff with cheese to marinated eggs, to whole green onions, and people are all eating this stuff. And I'm like, this reminds me of a TikTok creator that I've followed for a long time. Amanda, I think her name is. Let me go look. Auntie Amanda or Auntie Amanda Lee.

Yeah, Auntie Amanda Lee. She always, like, she built her entire platform off of videos of her eating and talking. And it's always the most, like, the combinations I would never think to do. Yes. And it's similar vibe. but maybe just their personalities are different. But like I'll send you one of Amanda's videos. Like it's always food related and I'm obsessed because I'm like, I low key want to try that.

Okay, but it says that part of her meals, they have to be simple and quick. But they also have to meet four needs. So it needs to meet the need of sweet, savory, crunchy and creamy. So she said when she's shopping, she usually picks out whatever catches her eye and trust herself to turn it into a winning combination, which sends me in an absolute spiral because I can't imagine going into the grocery store and just throwing stuff in my car without a plan. And in a quote, she said, for example, I once walked past the deli at my grocery store and saw a container of macaroni and salad and immediately knew it belonged at an onion cup, which is simply a raw piece of sweet onion that gives the perfect crunch. So she needed to take the mac the macaroni salad and put it in the onion. Yeah. Okay.

I could. Okay. Okay. And I just think that it's so crazy that like these people that are releasing content like this are going viral on TikTok over a sweet potato. No, literally. isn't that crazy? And like all these people are like all the videos because I started watching her videos. And so I guess maybe like part of the algorithm, it started showing me other videos of people like making what she was what she made on her page. And so it's like these

random people's videos that are coming up on my thing and they're all making this sweet potato thing. And then I'm like, well, I kind of feel left out. I need to try the sweet potato to see like what the hype is about. I mean, I'm not a big thing. of sweet potato in general, but like, yeah. I love sweet potato. You said, yeah. I would be willing to try. We should, next time you're in Delaware, we're together, we should try to make one of

her recipes. We should try to definitely do the, she might have something else that's like viral by the time February comes. Perfect. When I come there. But would you eat an onion cup? Because I don't feel like I would eat it on. cup um no probably not an onion cup but definitely like to have it sit in the flavor i might just like

eat the macaroni salad out of it does that make sense because i have a true phobia of like getting bad breath oh so like the onion is more of like a like i love the taste of onion but i wouldn't eat it and fear that it would like stick on my breath forever yeah i get that um i feel like garlic is same way. Oh, garlic. Oh, my God. And there are certain things, like certain spices and stuff that stick on different people's breaths different ways. Did you know that? Yes. I did. So like, because everybody's pH is different, it affects everybody in a different way. Right. Like onion might affect me differently than it affects you. Yeah. Like, I might, like, Will loves garlic. And, I might be like talking to him in a basketball game and I'm like, what the fuck did you put

garlic in? Like you're smelling it six hours later. Yeah. It's like he's probably sweating it out at that point. I don't really. I'm not a huge fan of garlic, believe it or not. Okay. So I'm going to read this listener topic because I do feel like it's relevant to my current life.

This was from the Facebook group. Someone says, has anyone ever gotten back with their right person? at the wrong time. I'm being hopeful, but I need honesty. And yes, me. Who? David and I broke up like several times. And the last time that we got back together, I think that I didn't, I think it was the right time at the time that we got back together. But then so much had happened. And I feel like last year was such like an up and down healing journey and it wasn't like linear. I feel like I was healing from so many different things and I needed the time and space to be able to somewhat do that on my own because I had convinced myself like

these were things that I needed to heal before I got into something else because it's not that person's responsibility to heal things that they weren't a part of. And I personally just feel like it was the right choice for us to break up for the three or four months that we were broken up for me to be able to go through the process of being able to just kind of like sit with myself, heal from it, know that I was good, to be able to get back into the relationship with him and feel like it was like a fresh start. Okay. You know what I mean?

With that being said, a new saying that like you guys broke up a bunch and then it was the right time, wrong time, whatever. do you feel like now that you guys are solid that you the foundation is cracked because of all of those challenges? I did kind of feel like that when we initially first got back together this last time. I was like, wow, like there's too many cracks to like fill in. Like because when you've been with somebody and then you break up and get back together like obviously time passes, right? And so like he's living his life and you're living your life. And it's like those lives might not be the same way that you would have been living them together. Like he was on his journey and I was on my journey.

And so I feel like if we were not intentional about healing some of those cracks that it could have easily turned into resentment. Because I'm also the type of person that I'm like, well, I wasn't with you, but still, like, you shouldn't have been going there. You know, and you shouldn't have been. I'll use Chris as an example because that's, like, the only thing that people already know about. And so I can describe it was like, so much damage has been done and had been done that it didn't matter if we got back together or not and we were ready to make it work, even if we were ready to make it work. much damage had been done that there was no way like there was a point towards the end of our like

on and off like the five years that we were like sneaking to see each other and not telling people in our circles because there was so much damage that even if we wanted to make it work as a couple we weren't going to be able to so that's more so what i mean like too many cracks in the foundation like there was no coming back from that for us there wasn't sneaking you know what i mean I feel like there had been so much that went on in your situation that there were so many people involved. And it's not like several people on my side didn't know about what was going on in real time. And several people on his side knew his version of what was going on in real time. There was just nothing that was like too bad that couldn't be recovered.

Does that make sense? I feel like your situation was it was a lot that was too bad to recover from. Yeah. It wasn't just your forgiveness. It was other people's forgiveness too, right? Well, I think the older I get, the more I realized that, like, the beginning of my relationship with Elijah, I was self-sabotaging a lot. And then all of a sudden, I just stopped.

I wasn't, if there was an issue, I was never talking about it because I realized it took me up too long to stop involving other people, my relationships and constantly ask for opinions because then other people know everything. And if I choose to work it out and I choose to stay, everyone else will still have their grudges and feelings about that person. So it makes it harder to like fill the cracks in the foundation if there was any. That's so true. My nanny always used to say be careful about what you take outside of your house because at the end of the day you have to lay with that person. No one else does and their opinions are going to cloud your judgment. I have a friend that texted me not too long ago

and just said like just so you know regardless who you forgive, I don't. Like a friend texted that to me. So it's like, and on one hand, it's like obviously like whoever you are is who you are, but on the other hand, it's like that's not actually helpful. It's not helpful. And at the end of the day, you're the one that has to go to bed with that person at night, right? Like you're the one that lives with that person every single day. You're the one that does everything with that person every single day. And so I don't necessarily really think that it's other people's place, maybe to be a listening ear. but a support system to support you for your decisions and what you choose to do.

And if you make the wrong ones, then you make the wrong ones. I'm always a learn the hard way kind of girl anyway. We love a good learn the hard way. I don't. It always fucks me some way somehow. Like, what the fuck? And on that note, we have foul play. We have foul play.

Okay, so this person says probably like 10 years ago, I was, was on my hot girl shit you go girl looks so good and was single and just live in my best life my friend was having a small intimate wedding and only invited like ten friends and the rest of family i found one of the single guys who was looking good enough laughing my ass off uh what's that saying kill like uh far 10 from far but far from 10 i've never heard that saying in my entire life like uh I forget how it goes, but somebody will correct me. So I took advantage of the open bar and this guy and myself had ourselves a night. We then went out after the wedding and continued the night.

When it was time to leave, I invited him to come home with me. It was 2 a.m. when we got back to my place and we started going at it. Things were really enjoyable. And I was shocked because this guy was kind of a total dork. He eventually makes his way down to eat my cat. But before he gets down there, he's like, hold on. Can I use the bathroom? The bathroom is right next to my room.

So he gets up and you guys, I heard things. I wish my ears never heard. This man had explosive diarrhea. I bet you anything, he drank beer. Or he was cheating on his girlfriend. Oh, my God. I didn't even think about that. And he got bubble goods.

He didn't even turn the sink or fan on. Like, hello. So I turned my phone on and volume all the way up watching a video because no one needs to hear that. 10 minutes later, he comes back in and he's like, so where were we? Sir, where were we? You just had a massive diarrhea and you think that you can go back in bed and eat my cat. No, no. I had my clothes already back on and I was insistent on taking him back home, which really didn't go over well. He was like, this is really early in the morning. I'll get a ride when we wake up. I was like, no, trust me, you have to go home. I have early church tomorrow.

So you have to go home now. The car ride was for sure weird, especially because we had sobered up. but unfortunately, I got the ultimate ick after hearing his explosive diarrhea and there was no coming back from that. I love the pod. I've been listening ever since the start and listener of all different pods you guys have out now, kitty gang for life. Okay, number one, are you okay with having sex when someone's taken a shit and not showered? No. Because I'm not a good. You're not getting off the toilet and immediately coming to try to have sex with me. Like that's not your dick was in the toilet. Like the water splashed up and touched it. And if it was long enough.

Do you know what I mean? And then what? I'm so serious. Like, no, you can't. It's too soon. Do you know what I mean? Like you have to, we need to re-evaluate in seven to ten business days. Like I can't.

Like you're not even going to use a wet wipe. Like that's not even sufficient enough either. Like you need to. take a full-blown shower. If you think- And then by that point, I'm not horny anymore. And also, if you're eating cat, like, brush

your teeth. Your dick was in the toilet. No, like, it's the thoughts of, like, diarrhea being in your bunthole for me. It's the thought that if your balls are big enough, the toilet water is slapping

them. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's like, that's not, and I already have the ick from hearing it. So it's like, you should have been quieter. I mean, explosive diarrhea. I feel like it's an involuntary. No, I was pissing out of my ass last night and it didn't make a sound. Wait, what? Yeah, I don't know what happened.

I like told me. I don't know what is going on. Like, I'm just pissing out of my ass. What did you eat? Parogis. What the fuck is a parogi? It's like a noodle and it has potato inside. So you're not, you can't tell me that a noodle with potato gave me diarrhea.

Yes, it did. No, like that's not, that's like a bind you up kind of food, not like a bind you up. Did I use butter? No. No, I ate them completely plain, no seasoning, no butter, no nothing. I've raw dogged it. Ew. I can't even imagine.

Oh, my God. So let me tell you. There's more. Yes, there is more. Last night, I feel like it's, been a little bit of time way longer than we've ever gone without being intimate, but we've been sick for literally like seven days at this point. And I went to get out of the bed because I was sweating and I have been peeing because I'm on a steroid and it's like making me pee so much.

So I go into the bathroom and I pee and I'm a lead to door wide opener. Okay, like leaving the door wide open, you can hear me see. I don't care. He's a close the door and I'm like, I don't, know why you're doing that. Like, you're just peeing unless you're in there farting and don't want me to hear, like, whatever. So I come out of the bathroom. I take off my PJs, get back in the bed, naked. Please tell me why when I lay down, I felt like I hit a brick, but it was a boner. So do you have to tell him to curb his advances or? There was like no advance. It was like a snuggle advance, but it was just like if you're sick. You fornication or?

No. The question is, if you're sick, are you fucking? Oh, sometimes. I almost died. I fucked him right before he almost died. Wait, what? Yeah. That was a rough week.

I just, I can't. Like, when you just feel like you are the ick, you know what I mean? Your mind can't, like, you give your own self the ick. Your mind can't get to where it needs to be to give the other person. than a fair chance. Like, I'm not getting off and you're probably not either. No, if someone's almost dying, I probably didn't get off. Or if I have, like, strep throat, like, I'm not getting off.

You know what I mean? So what's the fucking point? Strep throat is wild. And the amount of times that you have had strep throat honestly freaks me out. And the fact that you still have tonsils freaks me out more. I think it's really dangerous to get your tonsils out as an adult. Said who? I think it's really dangerous for you to have strep throat as many times as you've

at it. Also true. You know what I mean? Yeah. And you know, you can pass it around to seven people. True. Yeah. You know, there's the risk of that as well. Wait, so when you get your tonsils out, you can't get strapped, right? You can still get strep. Really? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think it's just some of the symptoms are not as severe. Severe. Yeah, severe. Okay, well, on that note, we have our Valentine's Day collection launching tomorrow. Stay tuned to our Facebook group for an early sneak peek and follow us on our socials for a full reveal. Tag us and your merch picks. We cannot wait to see.

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