Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Vacation Recaps & the 911 Call Breakdown

Episode Date: March 24, 2025

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I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you. This is coffee convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you.

A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. Hello. Welcome to coffee convos podcast. How are you? anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kailin Lindsay. Hello, welcome to Coffee Combus podcast. How are you? I am refreshed. I cannot tell you and like Turks and Caicos is my entire personality now.

You know what, I feel like you often do that. Like you go somewhere or you do something and it becomes an entire personality like the book thing. Well, the book thing is my that like it like, I am in a bad mood. If I have to do something other than read, I'm in a bad mood. Like I just want to read, like do not, I'm not going to any functions because I would rather read my book. And what's crazy is like that was never me growing up. Like it just, it couldn't be me.

Were you a kid who waited until like, let's say you get out of school on Friday, and you know, you have a book report due on Monday, and you're supposed to be reading this book all month, but you wait until Friday to start it? I never I have a confession to make. I never actually read a book in it in my childhood. Like I never read a full book. I would read the back of the book and just guess. I could not. Do you like paragraphs about characters and stuff?

No, that's why I always failed the book reports. Wait you failed book reports? Like I never read a full chapter book in my childhood. What about like Junie B. Jones and- I read pages, but I never read the full book. Amelia Bedelia. I read pages. Oh my gosh. See, I was a much like better reader than you when I was in elementary school.

Now I have a major problem. I do have a confession and then I want to get back to the trip. I now have what I consider my reading nook. And I've been reading Mel Robbins. I'm So happy. I'm going to be so excited. I've been reading Mel Robbins. I'm obsessed with the let them theory. Absolutely obsessed. I feel like we all need to read it. We all need to talk about it. Probably going to read it again after I read it the first time, because it's that good. I also read it. And I, there are definitely parts of it that I was like, okay, this is so cliche, but then there were other parts where I was like, oh, that's how I can apply

it here. Do you know what I mean? Like that's how I can apply that specific because it all sounds like, okay, obviously we know let them like you cannot control other people. But like the way that she describes certain things and the way that she says certain things, you're like, okay, that's how I need to apply it to this particular situation. And it's a lot harder. It's a lot easier said than done, but it reminds me a lot of therapy. Like we go to therapy, like talk therapy, regular talk therapy. And it's like, why would I pay someone to sit there

and listen to me talk? Well, because they're trying to teach you how to apply rules and tips and all these kinds of things to those aspects of your life so that you can spend less time worrying about X, Y, and Z. At the end of the day, you cannot control what other people do. You can only control your reaction to it. But putting it into perspective the way that Mel Robbins does is so helpful. I didn't end up rating it on Goodreads. You should get on Goodreads.

I didn't rate it there because I'm like, obviously it's going to impact everybody differently. And I don't want someone to read it or not read it because of me. That one specifically, anything self-help help or motivational I feel like is so subjective and so personal. I agree with you. I do. My reading nook is my back porch. I'm going to do a reel so that you can see what it looks like but I just had like twinkle lights installed back there so I can go out there with like a little lamp with my book and a blanket and I'm so excited about it. Drop some citrus oil out there in the corner so that no spiders go in it.

Oh, are we oiling now? Well, just like a little because they don't I think it's citrus that they don't like or it might be peppermint. Just do something that's like humane and then just like drop it in the corners to like because you don't want to like sit down there and be worried about a spider crawling on you. Do you know what I mean? Also, next part of my back porch, I think I'm going to get those plants that you have from that plant place.

Oh, easy plant. Yeah, because it's pretty shaded back there. So I feel like if anything's ever going to survive like it will be there and I will tend to it like I'm tending to my book. So I'll keep you updated on that. If you are a fan of a vacation where you can do some activities, but mostly want to chill, which I know that that's how you are with Mexico is like you'd rather lay by the pool or the ocean and not do a whole lot of activities. Turks and Caicos is the island for you because this was busy season. Lindsay, when I went there, I asked the one guy that took us out on the jet skis. I was like,

hey, when is your busy season? And he was like, now. And I was like, there's nobody at my resort. There's literally nobody at my resort. They were like, first come, first serve, right? Every chair by the pool, every chair by the ocean, everything was just empty. You know what I think it's giving that story that you told me about that hotel that like nobody went to. No, but so I guess what how it works like on because the island is only 35 miles long. That's it. That's tiny.

Yeah. So it's like, but there's, I think 60 or more islands of like in Turks and Caicos. So the Island that we were specifically on, we were at like the highest, not the highest point, the, the starting point of like all the resorts. So like where we were, it was like more secluded, more like chill. You could have kids there if you wanted to, but it was more like a very chill vibe. It doesn't have a party scene really. There's two clubs on the Island that the guy was telling us about and I'm not a club goer. So that was, I didn't care. And then we went to the Ritz Carlton for one

night and like just for like our little boat tour, that one was like way busier, but still not when they said busy season, I was shook. I was like, there's no way he said that they shut down for two months out of the year. I just really think that you would have liked it because if you wanted to go on jet skis for an hour and then go back to the hotel and just chill, it was perfect. They had really good food. The people were really nice. Shockingly enough, their English, their, their primary language is English. Oh, I didn't know that me neither. Cause their nearest neighbor internationally is Dominican Republic in Haiti. And then the next one I think they said was Bahamas maybe.

Yeah, maybe the Bahamas. I'm shocked by that. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I loved it. It was absolutely incredible if you're looking for a very chill vibe even during busy season. But I literally texted and I was like, I don't know, we need a killer team building trip. So maybe we do a big podcast crossover in Turks and Caicos.

I mean, I would definitely be down to go. I don't know that I'm going to do any of the activities with you guys. So that might eliminate my participation. But I would be down to go and relax and continue to read Mel Robbins. I'll probably still be on the book by the time that happens. That's fine. I mean, listen, it's, we could get content of what everyone does when we go on vacation. It's like Lindsay, you can find Lindsay by the pool with a margarita or mojito. You can find Kale doing something on a jet ski. Kristin's not getting on a boat. You know, I need to talk to you about the jet ski thing because I don't get it.

Do you not? No, I really don't get it. I think it's so crazy that people think it's like a thrill. Why are we just driving in the ocean? I don't understand. The only time that I've been in the ocean on a jet ski was with Trent when we thought we were vacationing, but probably breaking up. Shut the fuck up. That was just like, not a thrill for me. I was ready to get off in the first five minutes. I don't want to go in circles. I

don't want to go on a straight path. I don't want to go in circles. I don't want to go in a straight path I don't want to be on a motor in the water. Like I'm a walking water girl, but we got to see a shipwreck Who cares it? Wait, I care because we didn't go in circles. We went we went out to see a shipwreck. We went to Iguana Island And so we got to like go see stuff and the water was going to see a shipwreck. We went to Iguana Island. And so we got to like go see stuff. And the water was going to see lizards either. But they got a beer. They got beer. Yeah, like on a Guano Island. We asked the tour guide to take us to like see cool shit because we were we could go off by ourselves. But I asked the guy because

he was really cool. I was like, Hey, like, can you take us out to see cool shit? And he was like, Yeah. And then we stopped at a Guana Island and his friend had a boat attached to a Guana Island. And they gave a they I didn't drink one, but Elijah and the tour guide drink a beer. Oh, my God. I thought you were saying that the iguanas were being given beers. Oh, no, no, no. Imagine. Could you imagine just like drunk iguanas everywhere? When you open a time checking account, you're one step closer to a better financial future with no maintenance fees, fee free overdraft up to $200 or getting paid up to two days early with direct deposit making progress has never

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I've ever seen in my whole entire life. But where was that? It's called Bolt Farm tree houses. Like all over the place, I think. But that's me. Which one was it? Because I saw the one in Ohio. It's the Chattanooga one. And the place was so cool. But almost like have you ever arrived somewhere and you feel like you're gonna get killed? Yes. Like it's so secluded that you feel like this might be a scam. That's how it felt.

And the people were like so nice. They almost scared me. It's called Kale's house when she brings home more animals. Honestly, it makes you feel like you are on a deserted island with like no one else there. And it's so weird because there's so many more people there because there's like multiple tree houses but you never see another person. Can we go to one? Oh, we can definitely go to one. We can do a girl's trip to one.

You would absolutely love it. They do these little kits where you, I mean, like you can bring food because they have refrigerators and stuff in them. It's like a little house and they do these like VIP kits and it's like all these casseroles, peach cobblers. At the tree houses? Yeah, pizza kits like where you can make homemade pizzas and a pizza oven.

Do they have a pool? No, they do not have a pool, but they have a hot tub. I am all about the little short trips that we can make happen, long weekends, all of the above. Hold on, I'm going to show you what I got. I got this little souvenir. Oh my God. You would get that.

Isn't that cute? Yeah. But you know what's so funny about us? Like unless, and I wish I was more like you in this regard. If it does not match my decor, it's not coming home. See, I feel like vacation frames and vacation stuff doesn't have to match like that. And then I have like one from when we went to Dominican Republic in 2021 with all the kids, like that also doesn't match but because it's like a souvenir, it's okay. See, and I'm definitely not a souvenir girly. Like I might buy a crew neck that says something

like from where I'm going, but outside of that, there ain't no souvenirs that's hanging around my house. Oh, and then I started, I don't have them in this room, but I started collecting pictures and little maps of places for Valley's Room because her name is so earthy that I want to do a collage wall of all maps, locations, valleys, lakes, all that kind of thing. So I got one from the Lake in our hometown when we went last year. And then I also got one from Turks and Caicos. And then I'm collecting those. So if Caicos. And then I'm sort of collecting

those. So if they're at a gift shop, I buy it up, scoop it up. There's a lot of people. I know that Kristin told me one time that Cory buys bottle openers. My grandparents used to collect shot glasses and didn't drink. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? I used to collect magnets. But then I got into this like era where like I wasn't putting magnets on my fridge because I thought it looked tacky. I think you probably put that in my head. I don't remember. So unfortunately, I think when we were moving to one of the boxes with all the magnets got lost, which was really sad. So I would have kept them

there probably they might be floating around somewhere. I needed to tell you about this. Hold on, because we're, we've gone on too long. I have to tell you, my girlfriend texted me. She always, I love her for this. I met her at football when Lincoln used to play football and we've been friends ever since. Right? So she'll listen to some of the podcasts or she'll let me know like, Hey, did you see this or Hey, this would be a really great guest if you could get them on Barely Famous stuff like that. And I just, I love her for that because she's like always in the know. So she sends me a link to a documentary on Paramount Plus and it is a lady found out that she was accused of killing her baby brother as a child and she had no idea. Wait, what? Yes. So like her as a child, she was accused of killing her baby brother as a child and she had no idea. Wait, what?

Yes. So like her as a child, she was accused of killing her baby brother. But the theory is that the parents killed the child, the baby and blamed their other. Yes. So here's the trailer. It says that the lady thinks her mom and dad, you know, tried to kill the baby and then because she was two years old, they told the cops, the parents told the cops that she pushed the baby out of the crib. I'm shook. Like there is something wrong with people. Could you Matt?

Like I don't, people like that shouldn't be able to have children. Well, not, they should not be able to have children But somebody who would frame their own fucking kid that would be like me like I don't even want to say it I don't even want to speak it into existence. This is giving I'm not even gonna say the name that it's giving type it in the chat. Oh That's what this is giving I just need you to watch the trailer because if you're interested, I do think we should cover it. Oh, I'm definitely interested. And fuck shit. I'm interested. I just like have such a hard time now with. Oh, here we go. The shocking

truth behind a two year old framed for her infant brother's murder is finally unearthed. Her dad used four months. Medical records said that I had killed my baby brother. A two-year-old didn't throw this child from a crib. Tracy begins to realize that her parents are fighting something. If I didn't do it, I was not prepared to learn the truth. OK. Were those like images of the real parents? Yeah. Well, mom's definitely guilty. What was it on here without even watching it, right? Like we will see if we were right.

But like, just off the bat, what you know about this documentary, are you thinking that they did it on purpose to blame the daughter? or do you think it maybe was an accident and they still blame the daughter? Maybe an accident and they blame the daughter. But if it was an accident. But that is if we go with the theory, we know nothing about this, right? But what if it was like a true frame job to where they didn't want either of their kids. So they did that to one of them and then blamed her so that she would be like gone to like taken by the state

or something. Putting like a psych ward. I am just shook. I was shook and I we have to cover it. We have to. Okay, well I have to tell you something that transpired to me yesterday. So I am recording in Atlanta for the Southern Tea all day. We come back home. Callie and I were like, which is my assistant, we were like, let's go and get something to eat. Like it's St. Patrick's Day. Like we're going to be doing the most. We're going to get like some green drinks. It's going to be great. Kids are taken care of, whatever. Her husband drives their three children to his parents' house. We sit down, get our drink, go to order our food. Have you ever been with someone that they hit? No, I don't feel like you have.

I feel like we've been with you when there's something emergent that has happened. But have you ever seen someone's face where it's just like the entire life of their face gets out? It was the scariest thing that I've ever witnessed. I have never like maneuvered a vehicle so fast and methodical. Like I felt like I was like CIA FBI like possible military trying to get to these kids. They were dead stopped on the freeway. And this man came up behind them. He had a blind spot from the sun totaled the entire vehicle hit Callie's vehicle. Yeah, with all the kids in it. Every airbag

deployed like absolutely. I have never seen a vehicle like that. Like on the back of it, I'll send you a picture of it. Like the back's basically like off and the kids were on the side of the road, just chilling on the side of the road. And whole reason that I'm bringing this up is that the police were like, I mean, you shouldn't be driving with them in these car seats, but you'll have to be able to get home. So we'll let you leave with said car seats. Oh, because post accident, you're not supposed to use the car seats anymore.

Yeah. And I feel like a lot of people like don't know that. No, people don't know that. I have said it before on this podcast that you're not supposed to drive with them, but I don't know if people hear us. And it sucks because they're so expensive. But I do. I think if you go through insurance, they cover the... They can. Some... So I've said it before on this podcast, but I don't think that people always listen. I think you can go through insurance for some, like under some, what is it called, policies. You can go through insurance to get new ones. But it's like having to pay out of pocket upfront and then being reimbursed. I don't know about anybody else here, but I've paid car seats like $250. Not everyone can pay $250 upfront and then wait

six weeks to get reimbursed. Also, in the state of Delaware, you can have the minimum car insurance and basically have $10,000 worth of damage and their policy doesn't cover but $1,500 of it. So what did they do? First of all, are the kids all okay? That's the number one, and obviously her husband. Well, a couple of them were throwing up last night. And so she's like, I hope that they don't have concussions taking them to be evaluated this morning.

They were checked by ambulance on scene. They do have some cuts all over their body. Luckily the car seats, they didn't look too damaged. Do you see? They don't have to look damaged though. It's still. That's what we pulled up on. Oh my God, That's so scary.

I had to take my Bronco in the trees to even get over on that side of the highway to be able to get to them. Truly most terrifying thing ever. One of the kids was like, I never want to be in a car again. That was how Isaac was when he got into the bus accident a couple of weeks ago. He was like, I do not want to get on a car again. That was how Isaac was when he got into the bus accident a couple of weeks ago. He was like, I do not want to get on the bus again. The PTSD. Airbags deploying is so scary. I know they're meant to protect us, but just knowing that it takes a certain level of accident for them to deploy in the first place is even more... When you think about that, it's like,

I've been in several accidents where the airbags don't deploy. So that's terrifying. Remember when I sideswipe that teenager and like in front of Rosalind? No, I don't remember that. My airbag didn't deploy then. And then I feel like I rear ended somebody somewhere one time and my airbag didn't deploy then. Mine have never deployed. So it must have to be pretty extreme force in order for it to do it. But when I tell one time and my airbag didn't deploy then. Mine have never deployed. So it must have to be pretty extreme force

in order for it to do it. But when I tell you it looks like a blow up mattress in that car with the amount of airbags that were out, absolutely terrifying. So was dealing with that all evening yesterday. And then I was supposed to go and hang out with my boyfriend and I was like, fuck this. Like I'm going home, I'm taking a bath and I'm putting my ass to bed.

And you know what? It just, I know you don't believe in God, but I was like, this was a God thing. This morning when I went to Flottie's, the class was centered and balanced. And when I tell you I needed to be centered and balanced, it worked. Well, I'm sorry. And if there's anything that I can do to help in any way, like send meals, I don't know. Let me know. You're the best.

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coffee combos at checkout. I have new audio that was released in Idaho for case. I did not see this. It's the 911 call and we're gonna play it neither of us have listened yet. 911 call and we're gonna play it neither of us have listened yet. What is the rest of the address? Oh, King's Road. Okay. And is that a house or an apartment? It's a house. Can you repeat the address to make sure that I have it right?

I'll talk to you guys. We live at the white store. We're next to them. I need someone to repeat the address for verification. The address? 1122 King Road. And what's the phone number that you're calling from? What's the phone number?

Anne, tell me exactly what's going on. One of our, one of the roommates has passed out and she was drunk last night and she's not waking up. Okay. Oh, Anne, they saw some man in their house outside. Yes. Hi, this is... And are you with the P-Shirt? Okay, I need someone to keep the phone, stop passing it around. Can I just tell you what happened pretty much?

What is going on currently? Has someone passed out right now? I don't really know, but pretty much at 4 a.m. Okay, I need to know what's going on right now if someone someone passed out right now? I don't really know but pretty much at 4 a.m. Okay, I need to know what's going on right now if someone has passed out. Can you find that out? Yeah, I'll come, come on, but you gotta go check. But we have to.

Is it her phone? Is this her phone? She's not waking up. She's not waking up. She's not waking up. She's not waking up. Okay, one moment. I'm getting help started that way. Okay, and how old is she? She's 20.

20 you said? Yes, 20. Okay. Hello? Hello? Okay, I need someone to stop passing the phone around because I've talked to four different people. Sorry, they just gave me the phone.

Is she breathing? Hello. Is she breathing? Hello? Is she breathing? No. Okay. I'm off. Don't talk to the one crazy anymore. You talk to them, Shay.

I can't talk to them, Shay. You do talk to them. Hello? Okay. I have already sent the ambulance and law enforcement to stay on the line. If there is a defibrillator available, send someone to get it now and tell me when you have it. Okay, is that again?

There's a police here right now. Okay. If there is a defibrillator available, send someone to get it now and tell me when you have it. We don't have it. We don't have it. We're not conscious. We're not breathing. I can see it. Do you have a defibrillator? Yes. Yes, you have it. We don't have it. We don't have it. We're not conscious. We're not breathing.

I can see it. Do you have a defibrillator? Yes. Yes, we have one. Are you talking to the officer? Yes. Okay, I'm going to let you go since she's there with you and can help you. Okay, thank you.

Bye. Okay. 1159 AM 49, 2nd November 13, 2002. Okay, Several thoughts. 1159 AM is crazy, is wild, is I don't- I feel like that's college kids. No, I don't agree. I don't agree for the simple fact that you saw someone last night, you did not question it in the morning when you called 911. You didn't question, I think I saw someone. It was like, saw someone at the house at almost 4am. You're not calling until almost noon the next day. Not a single person. Even if Ethan's best friend was the

one that found the bodies, not one person talks about she's bleeding. She was stabbed. Nobody talked about it. I'm wondering how they knew that she was passed out without seeing any blood, any crime scene, any stab wounds. Was it because they were knocking on the door and she wasn't responsive and they didn't go in there? I don't know. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate because I think the boy hunter, which was the neighbor. Oh, oh, oh. He came in and to my knowledge, he was the one who went into the room and in that audio, he's the one saying get out, get out, get out. Okay, but he doesn't say

anything, but he's not saying anything about the blood and the stab wounds. So like, why are you not talking about that? Like, she stabbed, like this is an emergency. Also, again, I can't reiterate it enough. If you know that you saw someone around 4am and then you're calling 911 at noon and you're saying that you think that you saw someone then, why are you like, that is not, I don't care if there was alcohol involved. I'm not understanding that. I just don't understand at the point because the text messages were released of them going back and forth about like a man in a mask. Never called 911 not one. One of the girls said my phone's about to die and the other one said get down here. So it seemed like

there was some panic that was instilled in them at that point. If you felt like somebody was like a masked person, why wouldn't you have gotten together and called 911 at minimum and left the phone on for them to be able to find wherever you're pinging from? I'll never understand it. I truly won't. I really fucking won't. And I, I'll never understand it. I truly won't. I really fucking won't. And I understand that she might not be able to take the witness stand because she had alcohol in her system. But at the end of the day, at the point that you're drunk and you see someone around 4 a.m. and then you're most likely sober around 12 p.m. the next day and you still think you saw someone, that part of the story never changed

from when she was drunk to when she's sober, what, eight hours later. Well, and then it makes you think, did they start coming to their senses and say, oh shit, maybe there was a crime here when they had identified in a possible drunken state crime here when they had identified in a possible drunken state that it was a masked man. Do you think that, I mean, if I was a roommate in college and I was living in a house with people, I would go in their rooms. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like if, if we were on a trip and I was trying to get to you and I knocked on your door and you didn't answer bitch. I'm busting in. Well, that was like, um, Jodi Arias when she stabbed Travis and they were like looking

for him or whatever and the room was locked. They found their way in, like they figured it, you know what I mean? So I just, I just, and like, I'm trying to think of it to like where my bedroom is in my house. I can't hear anything. So like I wish that my office and my bedroom were switched because in my house, I can't hear anything. So like I wish that my office and my bedroom were switched because in my office I can hear everything in my bedroom I can hear nothing. Putting myself in that situation where I think I saw someone and

I can't hear anything or even if I could like I'm calling them like I said to you the last time we talked about this like I've called 911 for less. Call me a cop caller like I don't care. I'm calling the cops. If anybody says somebody is masked, immediately I'm dialing 911. Like I just wish that I knew what that thought process was. Because even if it was something that like wasn't serious,

like when they've come out and checked around here for stuff, they checked the whole house for you. Kristin, what are your thoughts on this? Do you have a different opinion? The only thing that I can say is like, I think that on Hunter's end when he walked into that room and was the only person that went in that room, I think that he probably went straight up into shock. And like, I don't know if you guys have ever experienced true shock before. The only time I ever experienced it was when I found out that my dad passed away very, very unexpectedly. And the way my entire

body shut down and the only thing that I could formulate in my head was straight up one denial of what I was seeing and two need to step into action right now. But he didn't because at the point that he's on the phone with 911 and she says, I need you guys to stop passing the phone around instead of saying, okay, I'm in the room with her, I need to take action. Here's what's going on. He hands the phone back to someone who's not in the room

to even give the play by play. At no point did he say anything about blood or stab wounds or anything. So to me, it's like- I couldn't figure out if it was actually him or if there was another male there, because I know that there was a group of people photographing- So they could call everybody over, they called everybody, everybody over before calling 911. It's, I will say it's weird. I think that it's weird. I know that the parents have literally come to step in and try to defend the surviving roommates

and say it didn't matter, and you'll see it, because the Steve Goncalves' statement after this became public, the family of Kaylee Goncalves wrote a statement about this, flat saying, it wouldn't have mattered what time somebody called nobody was surviving. Like they about that. It's about how fucking weird it is that you are in the right state of mind to know that there is somebody masked in the house and never call 911.

Then you wait eight hours later at what almost fucking noon the next day. You're still not even saying that there's stab wounds and blood and then you call everybody else over before you call 911. Like that is what I'm not understanding. That part was very weird. The other part that got me, I did not realize this until the text messages came out.

If you're so afraid of what you saw in the house. I don't remember which roommate went to went to where I just know that it was the one that was like on the main floor went downstairs. You walked through the house after this and you're not sure if the person left maybe or whatever but you were so scared that you left your room. You left your room and went through the house down to the basement. And you went into the other roommates room. And then y'all fell asleep.

Now I didn't get in the car. That's been all 911. But how did what what I will never understand about this is if whatever roommate was the one who said I saw him he had bushy eyebrows and he was wearing a mask. If she saw him, wouldn't there be a great likelihood that he saw her? That's what I've said that too. I've said that the whole time and I do not know if this is

confirmed fact but I've seen it several places that there was a bloody footprint outside of the door of the surviving roommate. So I'm confused because if they were, if whoever did the crime, who we think it's Brian Coburger, if they were that close, what made you not go through the door? Well, at that point,

she may have already gone down to the other roommate at that point. Yeah, but how the hell did he not see them? Because if I'm not mistaken with the layout of that house, you had to go past Zanna's room to get to the staircase that led downstairs. Got it, got it, got it, got it. See, that's what I just, I don't understand.

And like, I'm not, I know what I'm saying sounds like I'm shaming the surviving roommates. I'm not trying to shame them. I just don't understand it. Like I don't understand it. Because in my scariest of times, like small child, I told you guys before my house got broken into and I was like 10 and I couldn't dial 911. I got the numbers wrong.

It's three fucking numbers. I got it wrong. I would consider that shock, right? But I was a small child fearing for my fucking life and still was eventually able within the like a minute or two was able to call 911. So to me, being drunk and like, I just, I don't know, like you were coherent enough to text, coherent enough to know who was in the house, coherent enough to leave your room to go to the other room. You, your story when you were drunk matches when you were sober. To me, that's not an

excuse. I just would like to know the truth about what was actually going through her head. Like if you were scared to call 911, if you thought you knew who it was, like, I just don't under, like, I do not understand the sequence of it, but calling other people over before 911, I want to know what she was thinking and I want to hear it directly from her mouth. If I was, if I was the defense attorney on this situation, I would absolutely fight to have these roommates give testimony. Yes, I do feel like that that would sway to some degree whether right or wrong, right? We feel like Brian Cobert did it. It would sway public

opinion to some degree. I would agree. Do we think that there's a potential, and this just hasn't been said yet, do we think that one, alcohol wasn't the only thing consumed and maybe drugs were? I do think that there is a potential of that. And they're scared because of that? And scared because of drugs, slash- Paranoia. Well, right. But also, do we think that they may have already had encounters with calling the police that

didn't go well for them? So it made them not think that they would be believed slash called slash like that plays a factor because everything that Kale sang does make sense to me. Do I think that any of them were involved outside of Coburger and the slayings? Absolutely not. Do I think that there is information that is not being given and there's possible holes in the story that they're intentionally possibly leaving out? Yes, I do believe that.

Do we think that there's a potential that the roommate that saw what she believes was to be Coburger with bushy eyebrows and the ski mask or whatever type of mask he was wearing, do we think that they had any type of encounter? Yes, I do. Especially if what Kristen is saying with the bloody footprint outside the door, yes, I do. I'm not saying that the roommates were involved. I mean, at one point, I'm not going to lie to you all.

I definitely thought that that the roommates were involved. I mean, at one point, I'm not going to lie to y'all. I definitely thought that was the case. But if there was a bloody footprint and she saw him and she knew what, I don't know. It's almost like she was giving him a chance to like get away with it. It feels like. Do we think that the encounter was kind of like, you either let me leave or I'll kill you. But then say that. That's, it's tough. Cause everything that you're saying makes sense. It's all things that I thought I also go to the point of like the being scared thing. But then say that. It's tough because everything that you're saying makes sense. It's all things that I thought I also go to the point of like the being scared thing.

But then when the text messages came out for me and I found out that there was a traipsing through the house that occurred to a lower level, I'm like, I'm lost at this point. I can't understand the mentality. I don't know. You're so scared for your life. You don't know what's going on. And you don't call 911 and you call everybody over at 12 the next day. Like that part is so like,

I feel like getting up at noon is like a common thing in college, right? Yes, agreed. If I happen to see somebody in a house where I'm co living with all of these other people that had bushy eyebrows and a fucking ski mask, I wouldn't have been asleep for any of those hours to justify the 1159 call. I wouldn't have been sleeping. That would not have been me thinking. It makes me wonder, did they walk through the house?

Did they walk through the house and then they called people? What did they wait until someone else walked through that? Like I make it make sense. I can't understand like if that's where I live, my safety net, whether we're best friends with roommates or not, like my safety net is within that house. We're all doing the same stuff living in the same place, right? Why are we not walking to check on them if we feel like something's going on versus picking up a phone,

calling someone else, calling other people to then enter the home? I understand them not walking through the house in the midst, like literally in real time. I understand that because that's terrifying to me, like to think about someone, you think someone's in the house and you're going to walk through it like no, probably not smart.

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And if so, how did she see him but he did not see her? I think there was something that came up about defense, Brian Coburger's defense team saying that she had, one of the surviving roommates had evidence or knowledge or saw something that could exonerate him or something. I vaguely remember hearing that. If she saw him, he saw her. That's what I feel like too. And the Gonzalves family posted or released a statement post this audio release and says, we stand together with all the victims of Idaho, both those we had lost and those who remain forever marked by a tragedy that no passage of time will

ever erase. The 911 call, it is not the neatly rehearsed dialogue of a well-crafted story, not the polished performance you might expect from a Hollywood script. No, it's raw, it's jagged, a searing unvarnished truth that no camera could ever hope to capture. Every breath, every cry, every tremor, and the voice reveals a reality so cruel, so brutally honest, it cuts deeper than any fiction could devise. After hearing that call, one thing is clear. Hunter, with his quiet solstice revolve, protected those girls from a nightmare that no one should ever be forced to witness. He stepped into the abyss, shielding from the horrors that will haunt him forever.

For that, the Gonzales family owes him a debt that words cannot repay. If you were expecting a neat, cinematic conclusion, something that offers closure, let me make this clear. The real world does not operate on such terms. The terror of that night cannot be cleanly packaged, wrapped up in a bow, or distilled into a simple digestible narrative. It's ugly, it's painful, it's the kind of horror that shakes you to your deepest core. These were not adults. These were children still clinging to the fragile threads of innocence when the world was violently torn from them in an instant. In closing, let us face the uncomfortable truth. Had the 911 call been made at the moment

the accused left that house, it would not have saved anyone. Nothing would have changed. So we ask respectfully, please do not waste your energy pointing fingers at those who could have not prevented it. The anger, the grief, the pain, they must all be focused on one thing, one person. The one who stole the innocence of Moscow that night, we demand justice and that cause is all that matters now. I understand what he's saying, but I do think that there would have been a higher chance that Coburger, if it was him or anybody else, could have been caught that night. Correct.

And this wouldn't be where we are today if it wasn't for, do you get what I'm saying? Like I'm not saying that anyone would have survived, but he wouldn't be out on the streets. This wouldn't be wasting taxpayer dollars because he would have been caught essentially red fucking handed. I do understand the perspective that he's giving about Hunter though. That was, was he in such a state of shock, but also like being there with those girls, knowing how visibly upset they were, was he trying to protect them from saying something?

Yeah, it's possible. I would say it's possible. Knowing that 911 was on the way. The time that I hit that deer, I didn't want to tell 911 with my child in the car that it could have been somebody's dog, but I thought that. So I'm just trying to play devil's advocate. Was he in a situation to where he didn't want to cause one of them to possibly have a heart attack? Yeah, maybe. But he could have also stepped out and close. I mean, it's easy for me to say because I wasn't the one there and doing it and all of that. So it's easy for me to

say like, what if, what if, what if, or I would have, you don't really actually know until you're in it. I just, I can't understand it is all. I also feel like as moms, when we hear stuff like this, our fight or flight just increases so much once you have a child that we're looking at it from a perspective as a mother. Right. Right. We're looking at it as adults who have been through college and been in situations where we've called 911. So they may never have done that. I just, I don't know. I think I've lived in survival mode for so much of my life that that's just how

my brain works. Where I'm not saying that these girls have never lived in survival mode, but maybe their thought process was just, I don't know. It's just very hard for me to understand. Kristen said, I'm wondering if the person hyperventilating into the phone was Hunter. I mean, possibly I also, last thing I want to say on this, I've never heard of people having defibrillators. Like what? No, I think that's like to cover all the bases kind of thing. Got it. Like from the 911 operator kind of thing. Is that something that normal people are supposed to have in their house? Is it defibrillator?

I don't know anyone that owns one. Do they even sell those to the general public? I don't know. I was just wondering why. Actually the most person that I'm pissed off about is this 911 operator. I feel like she was very aggressive and I understand she was trying to get information out of them and was trying to put together, like piece together a story and the phone kept getting passed around. But like, why not? She was so fucking rude.

I just wish that she would have asked different questions. Like, what do you see? Is there blood anywhere? Like, what do you see? Because great, she's passed out. And I get what you're saying with like not wanting to like the girls to hear anything if they didn't see it. But like a 911 operator, okay, she passed out. Is there blood anywhere? Is she wounded? Like, I just feel like those are the types of questions that you should ask as a 911 operator. Is there blood? Is there wounds? Um, you know, where is the, where is she? Like, is she in her bed? Is she on the floor? Like, where in the house is she? And he could have answered those types of questions because it's sort of like in therapy, when my therapist taught me about the breathing things, like to calm me down, you know, when I'm having anxiety or whatever. And it's like, what do you see? What do you smell? What do you hear?

Like those types of things will bring them back to their, you know, to center them to like realize what's going on. Yeah. I just, that to me just sounds like so much better than I need you to stop passing the phone around. Yeah. Okay. Say that one time. Hey, okay. If you're in the room with the victim, she's not breathing. Is she, you know, is she in her bed? Is she on the couch? Like just simple questions that she wasn't even. Yep. I 1000% agree. Okay. We have foul play. Okay. Let's take it back to 2007. The innocence, the easy days, the cringe. Every time I think about this moment as a 14 year old naive little virgin. I had never made out with a boy at this point,

kissed yes, but no tongue and no ass grabbing. I was very PG. We love that for you. I had just moved to a new school and one of the hottest guys in my grade asked me for my number. This was also the early days of my first cell phone. My strict parents did not allow me to have texting, so that left me with late night convos and my first time having phone sex. Again, I'm a virgin and have no idea what the actual fuck I'm doing, but I have to play it cool because I'm new to the school and he's hot. My 14 year old self sees this as a high achievement. Also same. So he's telling me he's thinking about me and he's touching himself and asked me if I'm touching myself too. And I lie and I said, Oh yeah, I am baby. His response is hot. I think I have him hooked when all of a sudden

he asks me if I'm tight. My brain goes blank. Is tight a good thing or a bad thing? I have no fucking clue. So I casually respond with, I don't know. You tell me to which he replies with, well, how many fingers can you stick in? Again, I've been lying this whole time. I'm not actually touching myself. So I look at my hand for a minute and I think to myself, well, between my pinky and thumb, there's three fingers. So confidently I respond with three fingers. There was a pause before he responded with a solid, nice. Looking back on it, I cringe with embarrassment thinking I should have said that shit is so fucking tight. I can't get my pinky to go in. It took me years to finally tell my close friends the story because I was so embarrassed, especially because we are in a small town and his son

and my son are best friends now. I think I don't think he remembers our awkward phone sex combo, but I still do. Anyway, love you ladies. Hope you have a great rest of your week. And this is why you should not be a national bamboozler. This is actually like, I never did this but I could see myself in her shoes like not knowing what to do. So you just lie. I've never done phone sex. So I've never done phone sex either. Like I don't even know how to participate in that. Like just come over. Like why are we like, why are we fucking around? No, I don't know. But that I would be also did you ever like

do something and you just think about it for like the rest of the day into weeks and a month and you're just like, why did I say that? Or why did I do that? Yeah, like you farting in the closet that one time, I never did that. But like, sometimes I'll say stuff and I'll literally walk away and be like, why did in the closet that one time. I never did that. But like sometimes I'll say stuff and I'll literally walk away and be like, why did I just say that? So imagine that when you're thinking about phone sex,

like if I think about that, about the cringey shit that I say randomly on a random fucking Wednesday, like phone sex at 14 years old is like, that's gonna haunt me for the rest of my life. It's like, if you go and pick up take out for example and they're like I hope you enjoy your food. And you're like you too. And you walk out and you're like, why the fuck did I say that like you're not eating. Yeah, or like what I just trying to think of

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