Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - We LOVE A Good Source

Episode Date: July 6, 2023

CC294: Someone has been talking to the press, and it ain't one of us! Lindsie shares her thoughts on an article's source that says the Chrisley siblings are not in a good standing with each other. Kail also drops some names while talking about being comfortable with the chaos in relationships, their recent camping trip recaps, and how about that Natalia Grace documentary? They give their thoughts. Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more!  Thank you to our sponsors!Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first monthIQBar: Get 20% off every IQBar product plus free shipping when you text CONVOS to 64-000Progressive: Visit progressive.com to learn moreRocket Money: Manage your expenses the easy way by going to RocketMoney.com/COFFEECONVOSStarbucks: Starbucks Coffee , ready for right now. Shop the full line-up online or in-store, wherever you buy groceries

Today's episode is brought to you by Starbucks Ready to Drink Coffee. Tune in to moments that matter with the uplifting boost of Starbucks Mocha Frappuccino chilled coffee drink. Available now online or wherever you buy groceries. I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you. This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsay. Well, hello. Hey, girly. That was the most anticlimactic, like, hello. Well, because I

meant to take Excedrin before I came to the office and I'm still struggling from like the migraine situation that I had during camping and the I'm just I'm recovering still. So wait, I got to tell you about something. So on the Southern T.E. Jackson did like this little interview and people were sending me messages about how he says stuff. And do you write down the things that your kids say that is like the wrong way of saying it, but it's so cute? No, I need to write them down and I don't, but the ones that I love so much, I haven't forgotten. Okay. Jackson calls a migraine, a migrate. A migrate? Yeah. He'll say, I think I'm getting one of those

migrates. Yep. You're definitely getting a migrate for sure. Like you're giving me a migrate, like everything about this. Good morning, Coffee Convos podcast, Kitty Gang, regular listeners, all the folks. Do you want to know what I was doing right before I hopped on this recording? I think skincare because it's glowing. You know what? My waxer also said that. She was like, your skin is glowing. I need to know what you put on it. And I'm like, ma'am, it's vitamin C and don't forget it. Wait, so is that like a serum? Yeah. And it's so good. And it just like makes your skin look like a glazed donut. I was just getting my lips ripped, so. What? I was getting my lips ripped.

Yeah. Since we were talking about skincare, I thought like your lips on your face. And I was like, like a mustache waxing or what is that? And then I thought about it and got it. No, honey. Picking up what you're laying down. My butthole, my lips, you know, the whole confection down there. Um, I have talked about waxing and not waxing so many times and I feel like I keep circling back to it. It's a commitment. Yeah. And like, you have to be committed to having like a couple of straggly hairs. Like

when you get on week three, you have to be committed to having like a couple of straggly hairs. Like when you get on week three, you have to be committed to leaving them. No, see, that's where you have me fucked up. And I think I just, you know what? I saw a girl on TikTok last night. I sent it to Elijah and it's, um, this woman is in a relationship. She decided she's no longer shaving or trimming or doing any of that. And her armpit hair is literally like longer than Elijah's. And doing any of that. And her armpit hair is literally like longer than Elijah's. And I sent it to him because that's kind of where I'm headed. Like I just don't have it in me to like, why is being a woman so much maintenance? Like I just, I'm tired. It's really hard. And I feel like the expectation like on women is so much more than men. Like,

do you not ever wish that you were like a man for one day where you could just go and get in the shower, get out, dry off, flick a towel around your head for a second, brush your teeth, put on a pair of athletic shorts and a t-shirt and roll out? No, literally my five-year-old took a shower this morning, did his whole routine in five minutes. Like this man put lotion on his knees, deodorant. He doesn't even need deodorant. Used my moisturizer on his skin, brushed his hair, put his boxers on and was like, all right, I'm going outside. And don't you wish you could live that life though? I wish, but I mean, I'm wearing a sports bra in my office right now. So that's,

that's a plus, but nobody else is here. So. Well, outside of that, do you see my face other than it looking like a glazed donut? Yeah. You look like you were crying. Yeah. I have cry face mainly because, and I'm just going to, I'm just going to get into it. Mainly because I have communication issues that I didn't realize that like I actually have. And I've always thought that like I was a really good communicator, but being overly communicative, I think that's the way you say the word, um, about certain things that like don't matter and not communicating about things that like actually do does not equate to you being a good communicator.

So explain that a little bit because I'm not tracking. I will communicate like overly about like small little things that probably don't mean a hill of fucking beans. What the fuck is a hill of beans, Lindsay? I don't know. I just feel like that's something my grandmother used to say growing up. Like don't mean a hill of beans, Lindsay? I don't know. I just feel like that's something my grandmother used to say growing up. Like, don't mean a hill of beans. I will not communicate if I have, like, an actual issue or, like, something's bothering me. Like, let's say it's, like, relational.

If something's bothering me, like, I'll just, like, let something, like, fester, fester, fester. And then it's, like, goes from zero to 100. fester, fester. And then it's like, goes from zero to 100. Like, it's not like I will address something in a calm way because I'm at 100 by the time I communicate about it. Actually just went through something like this. So that sounds... You did? Yes, I did. So tell me a little bit more about it. Can you share with the class? I will share with the class. So I had the displeasure of reading text messages about someone's feelings about me, negatively, negative feelings, sly remarks, just like digs. And instead of like

addressing the situation, I let it fester. And then I was just like, we're done. We're done here. We're not doing this. I'm not doing this. And you can get the fuck out. I think that we truly are. A lot of it I think has to do with just the fact that we're conditioned and the career that we're in to like hold everything together. And then you finally get to a point where you can't do it. And then you blow because not that I want to say you like fake it till you make it, but kind of like, because I won't have a problem talking about, for example, the shit storm that occurred this morning. And I even recorded something I want to post on my story, but like, I had no problem communicating to everyone in the house and I even recorded something I want to post on my story, but like I had no problem

communicating to everyone in the house. I even wrote it down last night, like what needs to be done today, communicated to all the kids that they needed to be up. And there are certain things that need to be done before they go to their dads. Calmly said it, made the list. It was fine. I had no problem communicating that. But then this other thing that should have been like an actual conversation and kind of thought through. Like a conversation instead of a blow up. And I think that, but that what you've just described is exactly what I was trying to describe. Like I can effectively communicate about like small things. Like if we're talking about laundry or like plans for dinner or what time I'm going to be somewhere or my work

schedule, you know, like those things, I have no issue. I think it is things that I have an emotional attachment to. So like if it causes me to have some type of an emotional response and I'm like bothered by that, I can't communicate well. So what do we do to fix this? Because obviously... I expect though that people understand how I am feeling. Did you hear that? Yeah. Did you fart? No, it was my throat. Your throat farted. No, I expect people to... No, 100%. I'm here with you and I literally feel the exact same way. I expect you to understand how upset this makes me and why it upsets me the way that it does. Like I fully expect you to understand that.

And like why is no one getting it? And then they don't. Yeah. But why? And I'm like, well, you should just understand. Okay, I'll tell you a little example. Okay. So we get home from the beach and I've driven like seven hours on the road and get home, start immediately unpacking. And I don't know where like this switched,

but I used to not be like a great unpacker whenever I was married. I just like left the shit everywhere and it was like, you know, whatever. Like now because I know that I'm the sole person that's going to have to be looking at the shit. I'm like, okay, I actually need to get this unpacked. And also I'm planning for another vacation so I can't have like bullshit on top of bullshit. So I come home. I start unpacking. I go to the Chick-fil-A, get myself a kale salad, call my nanny. I haven't talked to her in a couple days.

So I was like trying to catch up with her, all these things. Go to bed. And I watched that documentary that you told me about, the Maya one. Oh, yeah. Take Care of Maya. Take Care of Maya. So start watching that. And I'm just like laying in the bed relaxing.

My boyfriend – and you know what? I'm going to stop calling my boyfriend. I'm just going to say Trent. Trent calls me next – Just hearing you say my boyfriend on the last episode and now, like it's so weird. Why? I don't know. Why is that weird? I don't – it was just – I went to say that last week when we recorded, but it just – it sounds so weird.

I get sick of people saying stuff like, oh, why can't Lindsay just say his name? Okay. Well, his name's Trent. So, um, he calls me yesterday and I'm like, I need to go to the gym. Like I slept in whatever. He's like, okay, I'm going to be on my way over. So he goes, what do you want to do? Go to the pool. And I'm like, we literally just came back from a vacation with three kids at a pool for the last four days. The last thing that I want to do is to go and sit and see other people's children playing at a pool. No offense to anybody else's kids. First of all, yes. No, full offense to everybody else's kids. First of all, no full offense to everybody else's kids. I don't like other people's kids unless they're my friend's kids or my kids. So I just don't want to be around them. And I'm like, we were just like piled up with three kids and then saw all

these children on this vacation. The last thing I want to do is do that. Like I want to go and eat Mexican and watch fireworks. And I've also washed my hair. So if you really think that like, I'm going to take this lion's mane out to the pool. And like, I had to go into this like long spiel instead of it just being like, I don't want to go to the pool. I understand that. And I, yeah. Why don't they know that? Like why? I have this expectation in my mind that everyone thinks like this like everyone would use their common sense but like common sense is not common so yeah and he legitimately just like wanted to go to the pool that's it and I'm like I love that but we just got home from sitting for four days we're coming home for three days and then we're

going back and we're gonna sit our asses at the pool again for four more. We're coming home for three days and then we're going back and we're going to sit our asses at the pool again for four more days. So like, why are we going to sit at the community pool on July 4th at a community pool? Like actual hell. Yeah. Sounds like something I'm not involved in. I'll send the grandparents and the kids. That's something that I'm not going to participate in. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So just got back from my beach trip. And why is traveling with kids so chaotic? Because it stresses me out. And I'm not stressed when I get there. It's like the lead up to get there. Do you feel this? Well, if I'm being perfectly honest, Elijah did all the work for our camping trip. So I took a nap with Biggie because it was his nap time when we were like packing up and going.

So I can't relate to that. The younger ones I feel a lot of stress with because you just never know what they're going to do or like need. dress with because you just never know what they're going to do or like need. At what age can you start trusting your children to pack for themselves that they're going to bring the right thing? I made all my kids pack themselves except for Biggie. And yeah, so Isaac Lincoln and Lux pack their own stuff. I give them a list, go pack it, I'll check it, and then we're good to go. Now, did Lux bring sandals or Crocs? No, he didn't. So what did he have to do? He had to wear sneakers the entire time. That's not my problem. And that to me was a natural consequence. Next time you'll bring your fucking Crocs. I actually love that, but I just

don't know if I'm going on vacation that I'm willing to do the natural consequence thing, because that's also like, I feel like I'm suffering. Right. No. And I get that. But I will say that camping is a little different than like what you did. Cause if I'm going to the beach, that would, that would not sound great to me, um, having to wear shoes. But because we were camping, first of all, my kids love being barefoot. It's the white trash in us. And I just, we all love to be barefoot and, um, Lux doesn't care. And he also did not give a single fuck that he didn't have, he didn't have Crocs. So it really didn't, it backfired more on me thinking it was a natural consequence and it wasn't because he didn't give a fuck.

So there can natural consequence only applies if they care about it. So like, if he doesn't care that he's missing his Crocs, the only person that's suffering is you by not seeing him in Crocs and having to see him walking around like a skis and tennis shoes at a campsite. So we love that for Lux. I didn't let it faze me either. This episode is brought to you by IQ Bar. Now get 20% off every IQ Bar product plus free shipping when you text combos to 64,000. We love IQ bar. We've talked about it for, I don't know, weeks now, probably months. These are super diet friendly with no weird ingredients, which is something that's really

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message and data rates may apply. See terms for details. I have a photo because I packed everything, packed the, packed the whole car, packed every item that went into the car. This is, I call Jackson from upstairs. He's upstairs playing Fortnite, runs his tablet, slap ass dead. Slap ass. After being told to plug your tablet in and let it be at 100% for our drive, he comes downstairs with a dead tablet. Love that.

It sounds like a war's going on upstairs with Fortnite. Just don't understand. So he comes downstairs and I say, do you have everything that you need? This is what he packed. Do you see that ball? That was the one thing that he packed. I said, get in the car, get in the fucking car. Wait. So what did you do? I packed all of his stuff, but he came downstairs and he was like, I'm ready to go. Like he had no idea that I had packed all of his stuff. I was like, you got all your things ready, ma'am. Good. I'm so glad that you already had his stuff packed. Cause I would have, I would have lost it. I would have been like, we're not going.

Sir. Sir. So that was his things. But maybe he trusted that you packed his stuff for him. Like he knew. Look at this face. Oh, he's proud of himself. He's so proud of himself.

He's like, oh. He knew you had his back. I think he was like, oh, mom got this. Okay. And remember my story about me losing air in my tire? Do you remember me telling you about that at the car wash? I lost the air in my tire and had to like blow it up with a portable thing. I feel like maybe, you know, my memory is not great.

I definitely told you about it, but I had that little portable thing in the car and I'm blessing him out going down the road. At this point, it got Will Campbell on the phone and I'm like, can you believe the audacity that our son had to run his tablet fucking dead? And now we're on the road with no charger. And Will's like, yeah, he's an idiot. I'm literally pulling off on the side of the highway like the cars are like flying by the cars literally shaking on the side of the highway I'm in the back looking for the tire blow-up thing because I'm like oh I think that has like a charger thing on there too kid you not he had to charge that thing the entire way with that tire blow-up thing and I was like I swear like if we leave the hotel whenever we go to get back in this car and you have to use this device because you were too sorry to charge your tablet, I'm throwing the tablet out the window.

My biggest thing too is when my kids will – I know that some people don't care. I care about this. I don't know why I care about this. I cannot stand when my kids wait until their phones, well, they don't have their phones right now, but their phones, their tablet, whatever they're using dies. They plug it in and then they use it the whole time it's plugged in. Oh, I know. It hurts my soul. I'm just like, if you ran it that slap dead, you just, like, you've been on it enough. Like if your shit

is literally dying at noon and it was charged all night, you've been on it too long. So for those reasons alone, I'm out. Get away from the wall outlet. Get away. I mean, that goes for our phones too. Like, um, I just, yeah, I, um, I guess we do it. Yeah, we do. I mean, that goes for our phones too. Like, I just, yeah, I am. I guess we do it. Yeah, we do. I mean, but I really try not to use my phone when it's on the charger unless I absolutely have to. It's just because something, I don't know what it is that hurts my soul, but.

Isn't it so bad for you to do that? I don't know. I don't like it. I don't, I probably read something or saw something that made me like go down this way, but. read something or saw something that made me like go down this way. But, um, can I tell you about this article that came out, um, from last week's episode of coffee combos? Yeah. So I talked about, or basically I just owned the fact of blocking my siblings on social media. And I didn't think it was that big of a deal. Like this has happened many of times before. This isn't the first time we've had like an unfollowing

spree. Not the first time we've had family issues. Um, my parents aren't here to referee. So I just feel like we all kind of are rogue and just do whatever we want to do and handle situations the best that we know how. But I see this People magazine article come out and it says, Lindsay Chrisley admits she and her siblings can be petty with each other as source says they are not fine. So I think I know who the source is. And is that not always like weird? Is that like not the weirdest feeling when you talk about something, you're honest about something, and then you have people coming out of the woodwork talking to People magazine or like whoever as a source? It's like don't be a fucking coward. If you're ballsy enough, from my perspective, if you're ballsy enough to go to an outlet,

because first of all, they're not paying. They don't pay anymore. They haven't paid probably since 2013. If you are ballsy enough to go to an outlet, a tabloid, a magazine as a source, put your dick on the table and just say who you are and let them use your name. Because nine times out of 10, we know who it's coming from. So just put it all out there. Put your fucking slap your dick on the plate and show them.

Literally slap the whole dick down. Balls and all. Balls and all. We probably know who you are. Oh, I know. I know. It's just like, I don't know what the fuck you're doing. Like, just fucking say who you are because we probably already know.

I just want to say to this person, because I know that they're listening, you are a fucking coward. You're a fucking coward. And if you go to another magazine and give a statement and you give it as a source, I'm calling your ass out. Well, there you have it. I'm calling your ass out because also when – just so you know, when people give statements to media outlets, maybe try not to sound like your fucking self. I love reading quotes and you're just like, right. And you're like, I know who said that. You're like, wait, this is a direct fucking quote. And I know who talks like this. Like, or I love the sources. I love the sources who have like a half truth. Like they

know part of something and they go to an outlet and it's like, bitch, I know I only told you half the story. Like exactly. Like you act like I was born yesterday. Like I told you part of the story for a fucking reason. I love that for us. Also, I'm just going to clear this up to say that my siblings and I are fine. Are we communicating right now? No, we're not because you fucking blocked. So no, we're not communicating. So yes, like no, we are not communicating. But as far as like there being any beef or like anything being said or anything going on, to my knowledge, not from my side, like there's nothing. I just address the fact if people want to say, oh, I noticed like they're not following each other because you go and look at who we're following.

Which I mean, I get it. But at the same time, I'm like, that's weird also. But you know, to each their own, like do whatever you want to do. Why do people do that? That's people do that to me all the time with like friend fallouts. They'll be like, oh, Kale and so-and-so aren't following each other. Like, it's like, how do you know that? Because I don't even know that. Should we start a whole thing where me and you unfollow each other and post – what is it called? A sneak diss? Should we post sneak diss at each other and see if anyone picks up on that?

Wait, what's it called? Is it a sneak diss? Isn't that like a subliminal, like a, like a subtweet or like a. A subtweet. Yeah. I'm going to start doing that and see if people are like, wait, Kayla and Lindsay aren't friends. We're going to bamboozle the whole, the whole crew. All the trolls.

But no, are we communicating right now? No, we're not. Do we need to communicate right now? No, we're not. Do we need to communicate right now? No, we should not. Because my therapist has said, if you have nothing nice to say to somebody, don't communicate. Like, it's going to do no good. Unless you can be solution-oriented whenever you come to the table, then step away. So that's what I'm doing.

I'm stepping away. I don't have shit to say. Just know. Coward the boss, lady. You coward fuck that went to People Magazine. Wait, can you text me who it was? Yeah. And this is the quote.

Lindsay's comments come as a source tells people that the siblings are not fine. Adding, it's a false narrative. No, the only thing that's a false narrative. They're not fine. The only thing that's a false narrative is you fucking talking. Say what? The name. Oh, okay. Are you ready for me to tell you who it is? Yeah. I didn't expect that. If I had a dick, I'd slap it on the table. I'd slap the whole confection on the table. Why not just like comment on the situation? Like who can't like just say what it is.

Like why did you have to. Like stop, stop being shady. And listen, actually, I'll just get into this too. The whole reason that we got in an argument was because I posted a bingo card of some like haters or fans or something like that of Chrisley Knows Best. And on this bingo card, it had like, I'll send it to Kristen and she can help us like crop it and stuff so that it can get posted the right way. But this bingo card had all this bullshit on there about my family. And it literally was just like a

shit talking bingo card. And it was like on one of the squares, it was like, Lindsay's going to have three baby daddies. And I'm like, first of all, I'm 33 years old. And I was married. I was married for a decade and doesn't look like I'm having more kids right now. So no, but that's funny. So I post this bingo card and it's like talking about my parents being incarcerated and then like somebody getting a DUI and the next person to get arrested and like all this stuff. I literally thought, okay, that's kind of funny. You know, like these people are fricking whack, but like, I'm going to go with it. And that kind of comes with the territory, right? Like if you live a public life, you kind of have to take certain things in stride. And it's like, okay, if they want to say that I'm going to have three baby dads, like they're allowed to have whatever opinion that

they want to have, but I'm going to respond to this. Yeah. So I tagged my siblings in it and I'm like, Hey, it would be a funny podcast episode to go through each of these squares and talk about if this is like likely or unlikely for this to happen. That would be a really good episode. Yeah, it would be funny. And so then I get a scathing group text about how I need to remove it from my social media. And I'm like, okay, first of all, is your name Lindsay Chrisley? Because if it's not, then don't tell me what the fuck to do. Secondly, it was funny.

Like, I'm sorry that you clearly don't have a personality right now at this moment. Why were they offended by it, he or she? I don't know because I guess it said something about my parents being incarcerated. And it's like, okay, well, I'm pretty sure that the world knows. Like I was just going to try to debunk all of the stuff because a majority of the stuff on there, I'm not going to say that everything on there was untrue, but a majority of the stuff on there was untrue. So I was just going to be like, Hey, like this is untrue. And this is why that this does not make sense. This is untrue. And this is why this does not make sense. This in fact could possibly

happen. Like I think that would be funny. Maybe. I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but maybe some people use humor to, you know, cope and other people. Don't. Can't. Yeah. And so maybe that's where y'all are different right now. I feel like I've always used humor humor oh i have dark humor about my trauma like boozy suzy like yeah i'm fucking traumatized from my childhood but i have to make myself laugh to get through it because otherwise i'm like we're not i don't want to stay you know what i mean like if i can't change it and unfortunately things can't be changed um or made better all the time. Sometimes you just got to laugh your way through it, but maybe, maybe just to play devil's advocate,

maybe that's what it is. Maybe that's the difference. And you know, using humor in a serious situation is likely a trauma response, right? Like when I saw it, it offended me as well to some degree, but I kind of took it in stride and I was like, okay, we can make, make fun of it. Yeah. Make a funny out of it. Yeah. And so that was my whole intention. And then people just got pissed. So I was like, okay, well, if you're just going to be committed to being pissed and committed to hating me, then I'm going to be committed to blocking your ass. And that's just the way it has to go sometimes, unfortunately. So then that's what happened. And then we moved the heck on.

Wait, I have one question though. I watched, um, you know, sometimes like if you're looking at like stories on Instagram and like when it comes to the end, you might not realize it and it's flips to the next story. Yes. Yeah. I was doing that and there's always ads in between them. But anyway, so I get to, it rolls over to Savannah's. Um, and I didn't reply to her thing, but she opened a cabinet and there was like a light in the way. Did you see this? No. Okay. Well then I'm not going to ask. I was going to say, what was that about? So she, it was like, I didn't know, maybe she in real estate or something because, okay, then that makes sense. Cause she was like opening the cabinet and the light like hit and it was just like something

about, um, like planning out certain things better. But I was just like, unless she's buying a house, like what is, but now that it makes sense, if she's in real estate, that's probably why. She is in real estate. Um, even though my siblings and I aren't talking right now, if you need a home in Nashville, contact Chris Leanko. Coffee Converse Podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Most of you listening right now are probably multitasking.

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So much so that I have lined them up in my refrigerator because not only do I love how they taste, but I aesthetically love how they look. And in the lineup in my refrigerator, I have noticed that either one other person or multiple other people have taken pulls off the top of all of the different flavors in my refrigerator. So they did a little sampling and they were the ones that got to enjoy listening to that pop top. Oh, okay. We love that. So we love the Starbucks Frappuccino chilled coffee

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Looking for relationships that resemble things that we wanted in someone else, your type becomes your downfall. That's when you see something healthy in someone. When you see something healthy in someone, we reject it. We aren't used to seeing healthy, only used to seeing hurt. An example would be, I was dating this really nice guy, but he was boring. Or men are so emotional now. It comes from dealing with highs and lows and bad relationships and also being used to someone weird dating being so cold and not giving validation or attention. So used to being dragged down that the moment we see something healthy, it doesn't register until you start dating trauma and move into a healthy relationship.

You're going to continue dating out of a hurt place. Stop looking for your type and start looking for your purpose. Yeah. I mean, that is the epitome of kale in the chaos, right? Comfort doesn't always mean healthy. Comfort doesn't always mean safe. Comfort can just be what you're used to. My childhood was so fucking chaotic that I lived for chaotic relationships. So even though Joe, for example, was not from a chaotic household, our relationship was chaotic. My same thing for Javi, you know, to some degree, our relationship was chaotic and that's not healthy, but it was comfortable because it's what I was familiar with. I was living, you know, I've been living in fight or flight my whole life. So it would be weird. And I had an episode on Coffee Combos podcast with Katie Morton, where she said,

you want to be with someone who's boring and obviously not boring to the point where you guys have nothing in common, but there are no highs and lows because you guys are not having these extreme fights with all these, you know, chaotic things. And so sometimes I sabotage like my relationships because I'm like, I can't do this. And when it boils down to like the actual root of the problem is like there's actually nothing wrong. I just am bored. It's like picking a fight because you have nothing else to do. You know, and it's well, because this is what I did in my last relationship and this was toxic. So I obviously need to do it in this one because this is what I'm used to. This is what I'm comfortable with. If we're not fighting, does that mean that we don't love each other? And I think because I fought so much with Will,

I wouldn't say in the end because the fight just got over, right? It was like, it's not, you know, it's bad when you no longer care to fight about anything that you're just willing to do whatever to just like be away from that person. It got to that point. But before it got to that point, it was just like nonstop fighting and arguing. And it became such a normal thing that I feel like I didn't know how to operate outside of being that way. Yeah. Yep. Sounds about right.

And then finally had a mental break and just broke down. And then once that happened, it was kind of like, okay, this is, this is actually over. And I think a lot of times when you have had toxic relationships, it's really hard to be in something healthy because that healthiness that's coming from that relationship feels very like, are we just going through the motions? We don't have anything to fight about. So does that mean that we actually don't love each other? It causes you to question and be insecure. Just to piggyback off of that too, I have struggled with two relationships specifically where they love the fuck out of me

and I cannot stand them. Tell me more. And I'm laughing, but it's not funny. It's really not funny. They love me so much, literally would kiss the ground i walk on and i'm disgusted with their love for me why are you laughing i'm being dead serious will you text me the people's names actually just say them and they can be bleeped out okay um one of them okay and not um i don't want to like i'm gonna say nickname because if you if i say the whole name it will be um like you'll know like it's just disturbing like why do you want to be this close to me like used to like hold my feet and like tell me how gorgeous my feet are and like how much he loves me and just like okay back back up i don't want you in my space and like tell me how gorgeous my feet are and like how much he loves me and just like – Okay, back up.

Back up. I don't want you in my space and you're grossing me out. Okay, but do you feel like maybe physical touch in that way because that person genuinely like loves you so much that you're uncomfortable with it because you didn't have it in your childhood? Even if they didn't touch me and they would just like express their love to me, I hate it. Don't tell me that. Don't compliment me. Don't even look at me with puppy eyes. Like I'm disgusted. Okay. What if did this? I asked myself that all the fucking time. I promise you, I asked myself that all the time. And I truly believe if he did, if I got him to that point where he was like, I swear I'm never going to cheat on you again.

I'm going to love you for eternity. I wouldn't want him anymore. I think that's a lie. I think you're straight up liar for that. No, I really believe that if he. I think a lot of it was about the chase and that relationship and just like the addicted to like the unhealthy relationship because it's what you knew and it's what you grew up with. And when you see dysfunction, you know, it's toxic cycles

and patterns that repeat themselves generationally. Right. But I do think that you did love him. Oh, I did more than anything on the planet. You were in love with him. I'm not sure that – I'm not going to say the next thing I was about to say. He didn't love me back. You can say it. It doesn't hurt my feelings now. If you had said that five years ago, I would have bawled my eyes out. I don't think that's necessarily true either. I think he didn't love himself enough to properly love you.

Wow. And, you know, you can't make somebody love you if they don't love themselves. Right. And that's a, that's a hard reality. But yeah, I think if that person that I just said did that shit to you and were rubbing on your feet, telling you how they look like diamonds and shit, you would have loved every part of that. You probably would have been like, get the fuck away from me, but like stay. Like we would have been one of those where the girl is like me. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe, but also maybe after some time I wouldn't, I don't know. I really don't know. Um, why are relationships so fricking weird? I don't know. And it is weird.

relationship so freaking weird? I don't know. And it is weird. It's really fucking weird. They're all weird. And it's crazy because when we went camping, our friends that we went camping with, they've been married 18 years together for 20. And like they were telling me like the certain dynamics that they have and like the structure of their relationship. And I was like, wow, like that makes so much sense. Like you really are committed to this. I want to get to that point, but I just like, I don't know if I'm capable of it. I mean, I think if, if you're, your life's chaotic because you have so many kids. So these people have a lot of, they have two children. Okay.

That's the difference. I feel like you are so stretched thin when you have your kids and you're trying to juggle a relationship too because you're trying to give time everywhere. And so it's easier to focus on something when you have – I don't want to call kids distractions, but, you know, like less distractions. They are. I mean, to a relationship to some degree. Yeah. Like it's easier to focus on it. Like for me, I just have Jackson. So when I don't have him, it's easier to focus on it. Like for me, I just have Jackson.

So when I don't have him, it's just me. And it's easy to focus and put a full focus on a relationship because I have the security knowing that like Jackson's safe with Will. And for you, I feel like you have so much going on with your kids going like all different directions. Then you have multiple kids with multiple dads like in the house when you have them all. And that's just a lot. And I, I feel like a lot of couples that raise children, if they make it through the child rendering or rearing ages, if, if your marriage survives that, first of all,

you're one strong motherfucker. Facts. And I don't care if that's one kid or 12 kids. I don't care. No, you're strong. Your marriage is strong. You made it and kudos to you. But I think a lot of people kind of like get into this lovey-dovey phase. Like once their kids get a certain age where they've kind of like done their job and then they can focus like less on that because that's all taken care of where they can go into their relationship, like a different phase of their relationship and be like, wow, like we have arrived. I actually saw on Reddit, there was like a thread of this husband saying, did you see it? It was like, I love my wife more than my kids. I can never love my kids as much as I love my wife. And some people in the comments were saying like, that's the way it should be. And other people were saying like, you can't compare because they're different. Like you're not romantically

in love with your children. You love them as a parent, as a provider, as you carried them or you made them. And your wife is like your lover. They're just not comparable. I mean, I can only say from lived experience, if I was still married, I'm confident that Will would always choose Jackson over me and I would always choose Jackson over Will. I'm choosing my kids over any fucking buddy. Over their dads, over their, I don't care. Come correct because there is no competition. I do have this thing where like, I just don't know. And I don't, this is morbid. It's going down a very morbid path.

But like, if something happened to one of my kids, I would never be the same. And so I think about like the parents who have lost like a child and they still have to go on for their other children. Like, I know I could not even, I could not even imagine like for that, I might as well just take us all out because I don't think any of us will be the same. You know, my dad was actually one of three boys. was actually one of three boys. He was the oldest and then had his brother who's still living, Randy, and then a little brother, Derek, who passed away when he was like six months old. No. And I don't know anything about that because that obviously was like way before my time,

whatever. But to just know the stuff that my nanny has been through, not only with like my papa, but then losing a child. And then like now my parents, you got to be built really strong. And I just don't know that like, I would be cut out. I'm not cut out. Nope. I'm not. Nope. Take me out too. And maybe, you know, I feel like maybe you are stronger than what you think you are. And everybody would say like, I'm not cut out for that. I don't know of any person or any parent that would be like, oh yeah, I'm cut out to like lose my child. I think we all collectively would be like, I'm not cut. Like I was not cut from that cloth to be able to deal with that. But I do think some people are more equipped to, to deal with loss like that than others. And I know that like, I would just be a nuisance to

society at that point. Like if something happened to my child, like just go ahead and take me out too. I literally can't. And for you, I can't even imagine like having multiple children because for me, I just have one. So it's like something happened. If God forbid something happened to my child, just go ahead and take me out. But wouldn't you have to live for other, like I'm not, I'm not comparing,

but I'm just saying like, you know, my grandparents lost their daughter when she was 18 years old. Like you raised her until you were 18. She didn't even leave your fucking house yet. And now she's dead and you have to be alive for three more kids and continue and try. No, absolutely not. I just couldn't imagine losing my child and then having other children that depended on me and knowing that I had to emotionally be there for them.

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We talked about sex talks with Sue Johansson and she fucking passed away the next day. She literally the day that, no, the day that the episode aired was the day that the news came out that she passed away. How fucking crazy is that? And I'm just like Sue.

And like, you know what? Like, yes, rest in peace. And like, I miss her already. I hope she, I truly hope that she lived her best entire life. And I hope that she's fucking dancing in the clouds right now because she was just a force to be reckoned with. For those of you who don't know who Sue Joyantan is, she was a nurse who loved to slap around dildos. And she became this popular TV sex expert.

A sexpert, if you will. A sexpert in Canada and the United States. Um, and that started when she was in her sixties. And then, um, she passed away. Bless God, rest her soul and bless her heart at 93 years old. Um, after a long decline, evidently,

um, it says that people delighted in calling into the Sunday night sex show. And it's American counterpart talk sex with Sue Johansson about obscure acts and fetishes and hopes of shocking and, um, in hopes of basically like shocking her. So, um, I don't feel like she was ever shocked. I feel like she was very strong woman. She was always stoic about like, so even when she tried to be shocked, it was more like, like that was the first, her show was the first time I ever heard of people calling in and telling her that she, that they used Icy Hot for sex.

And she would like be shocked, but like, she like wasn't like, she just. But she wasn't like, she. She'd be like, oh, that's not a good idea. There is a quote that is on this article that I read and it says, Sue paved the way for the way we talk about sex right now. She had a huge influence on sex educators that are now in public that are operating on social media. And I just want to say like shout out to Sue Johanson. And I just want to say like, shout out to Sue Johanson, shout out to Call Her Daddy,

because you have like paved the way for us to be out here talking about dildos like on our podcast and the bullshit that we do. And like, we don't have any shame about it. But one interesting quote that I saw on here, and then we can like completely move on. And I need to know your thoughts because I feel like you're going to disagree what she said at one point. And this was when she was discussing the anatomy of female pleasure. What people don't realize is that penis size does not matter because the top two thirds of the vagina has no nerve endings. There's nobody home up there. Um, I can't get behind that. I don't think that that's true. I'm going to do so. I'm going to do an experiment when I get home and I'm going to get back to you next week. If you're not hitting my cervix, go home.

No, but literally like, I do agree with that, but I'm also going to just, just for shits and gigs, I need to do an experiment. So I'm going to get back to you on that. Can you tell me like what it's going to be? So I'm going to use a toy and I'm just going to like. Oh, like partially. And just like see. Yeah, I'm going to use different size ones and just see like what I'm feeling at each point. Will you get back to us and let us know like exactly like are you going to be taking notes?

Yeah, I am. Okay. That's going to be odd. You probably should lock your door. Honestly. Oh, my kids are going to their dad's. So, um, they're going today. I can barely keep my eyes open cause I'm so fucking tired. I'm not on drugs. I'm so tired from this migraine. Um, okay. So we have to talk about Natalia Grace. We have to. Can I tell you, last week, Kale, the amount of time that I invested in looking up everything that I could find about Natalia Grace. When I tell you, I watched the documentary.

The Dr. Phil special. I watched the Dr. Phil special. I Google searched, read all these articles. Highly alarmed. And like it was one of those shows that I feel like you couldn't stop watching because like you needed more information to the next episode. And if you stopped watching, you weren't getting it right away. And it left you like on cliffhangers every episode, right? Yes. I also want to say that watching the documentary I had,

I was dead set in my feelings up until episode three or four and then everything started to change for me. And then, um, I still feel like I'm left with a lot of questions and I wonder if I didn't see if she had social media. I kind of want to see if she has social media. Before we start talking about her, I just wanted to say that according to Washington.edu, the terms person of short stature, little person, and dwarf are commonly used in the United States to refer to a person with a medical condition called dwarfism. Although preferred terms vary by person and community, according to Little People of America website, many people who experienced dwarfism prefer

the term a little person. So with that being said, I'm going to refer to Natalia as a little person. Okay. I'll do the same. If you guys have not watched this documentary, Okay. I'll do the same. If you guys have not watched this documentary, highly recommend watching it. You are going to be very invested, so make sure that you are carving out enough time to fully watch it because you're going to want to watch from episode to episode. I think it was on Max, right? Yeah. So, I mean, very good. I thought they did very well doing the documentary. There was a lot of information on there that I was kind of like mind blown about. And I was like, wait, how do they get all of that information to like put together a documentary?

Did you feel like that at all? Yeah, I was surprised that – was his name Michael? I was surprised that he was so willing to even do it. I have my theories on that, but I'm going to start out with the fact that Natalia Grace was adopted by, what were these people's last names? Well, she was brought over to the US from the Ukraine. Yes. Her mom had her and was allegedly said that basically she wasn't worth keeping, essentially. And she didn't have the money in the Ukraine to give Natalia the lifestyle and the medical care that she would have needed. And so she was sent to the United States and she went to a family. I believe it was at Idaho or where was the um I can't remember the location of the first family

but she was there for not long right right and then the family then places Natalia back up for adoption which the the facts and the circumstances regarding that are still kind of vague and very unknown. Like there was not a lot of information. So when Michael and his wife, you know, go to this janky, weird adoption agency, they're presented with this little girl, Natalia Grace, and they welcome her with open arms, but not for long. Well, okay. So not until I watched the Dr. Phil special, did I gather that, Well, okay. So not until I watched the Dr. Phil special did I gather that, because it was kind of unclear about the history. And what I wanted to know was like, how many homes had this child been placed in before she actually made it to the Barnetts? And on the Dr. Phil special, she said that she believes that she had been with roughly 30 families. But I don't know that that. I think that's what she was told. And.

Unless she's counting like. Foster families. Well I think she's counting the foster families. Which would be fair. If you had been placed. You know in homes. With people from like place to place to place. I feel like.

Along the way. At some point. We should probably. Post a trigger warning. In the episode description for this because I do feel like along the way, at some point, she was sexually molested. You think that? I do. What makes you think that? Because I actually think that she's a child and I believe that she is a child. And I believe that some of the sexual stuff that was

covered in the documentary about her trying to touch boys, I think it's from experience that she had. Right. Because they say sometimes, or a lot of times when you are sexually assaulted or molested as a child, you go on to do the same things to others. Yes. Not always, but it can and does happen. That would be the only explanation that I could have for that. that um although i was wondering like i guess the the boy probably did not want to relive any of that and be a part of it because he did decline the family declined him to comment on the documentary and things like that but um i also believe that she is she was a child and i believe that she was in fact born in the 2000s and she is a young adult today i don't think that she was in fact born in the 2000s and she is a young adult today. I don't think that she was a

young adult as the Barnetts claimed. Why would the mother that they interviewed lie number one about that being her child biologically birthed her? Why would she lie about the year that she did that? What's she gaining? she gains nothing. I don't think she got paid to put this baby up for adoption. I don't think that she, she gained absolutely nothing. And in fact, it wasn't until the end of the documentary where I was actually extremely heartbroken for the mother because you could tell how much pain she was in and she, you know, she breaks down and this is, you know, going on for years and years and years, and there's nothing that she can do about it. And, you know, she says that if she would have known that this was the life that Natalia was

going to live, then she wouldn't have done it. Which would be so horrible because when you're in a situation to where you feel like you can't take, you're having a child and you can't take this child on, and you know that you're not equipped to do this and you place your child up for adoption, the hope is that your child is going to be placed with a family that can take on whatever the challenge is, right? Medical responsibilities, unconditional love, you know, therapies, whatever the case may be. And I personally believe that adoption is supposed to be a permanent solution. And that's regardless of whatever issues that you're going to face with a child that you're adopting. Just like as parents are biological children, right? We have our children, we raise them, and you don't know

what types of issues that you're going to deal with along the way. And you don't neglect your kids because you're dealing with those types of issues. And I just feel like that maybe the Barnett's were not prepared to take this child on. It was, they treated her as like the family scapegoat. And I'm not sure if you're super familiar with that, but someone I dated was the family scapegoat. And

the trauma that he would tell me about his childhood and being blamed for everything and everyone would take their anger out on him, whether he was involved or not, it's just, that is exactly who I thought of when I watched the entire Natalia Grace documentary. Kind of like I've been publicly blamed for everything. Oh, everything is your fault, Lindsay. I often wondered, and it kept popping into my head as I'm watching this, was there some type of incentive for the Barnetts to take her? A government check? Was this like an adoption scam that got out of control? Like they couldn't handle it.

They weren't prepared and equipped. I don't know. Like, I just feel like these parents, like I don't trust Michael. I don't trust Christine. I don't want to say that I don't trust the son that was in the documentary, but I do feel like due to his autism diagnosis that he possibly could have been getting information from the parents. And I feel like if they've said it enough, that made it like real for his reality. Well, and he says that, you know, he believed his

parents and did what his mom told him to do. And so that's why he had so much regret for some of the things that he did, because now that he's been removed from the situation, I think that he was able to kind of reflect with or without autism. I think when you're when you become an adult and, you know, when you become an older person and you look back, you're able to say, like, that was wrong of me or, you know, I was manipulated into believing certain things or I was manipulated into doing certain things. And I do think that Christine was very manipulative to everyone in that household. I think she was a manipulator. I believe she's a narcissist and I believe that she's a hypochondriac. I don't believe that Michael was as useless and helpless as he claims.

I definitely think that he participated way more than he let on. And I just, for me, I, I don't care how much I love my partner or how much I'm afraid of my partner. If it comes down to choosing myself or an, or a child who is helpless, whether she was an adult or, or a child, um, you know, she was essentially helpless because she was their child. So whether they believe that or not, I'm choosing the child every time. I'm not going to choose myself. I'm not going to stand by and watch while this other person who I'm supposed to care for and love abuses the fuck out of them and let that go on for years and years and years. That's just never like like that's not – I don't care how much you love your partner.

That's never going to happen. And if you love your partner enough in the way that you should, you should love your partner enough to call them out on their bullshit. Yes. And if this is what was going on, this should have been called out. And I feel like you're just as guilty as the person that's doing it when you're unwilling to take a stand. I agree. At that point, you should have called CPS on your own wife and you should have had, you know what I mean? Because you're abusing this. I can't get behind it. All right, you guys, I got to remind you about Rocket Money. This is formerly known as Truebill.

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I also do not believe in, and I feel this way in my dating relationship, future marriage, whatever, unless I can love somebody else's children as I love mine, obviously there's a biological connection that cannot be- Replaced or replicated. Replaced, right? And that will always be there with the child that I birthed. But if I can't treat another child or children fairly as I do my own, then I should be woman enough to step away from that situation. Agreed. I agree. And in this case, I feel like Natalia was brought

into this family and was not accepted like as their own. She was just like this orphan child. and the amount of psychological warfare that was going on, her like pooping on herself and then made to stand like against the wall when she can't even like stand good. I mean, think about her little legs. Well, and then she would get in trouble for soiling herself while she was on the wall, but she wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom. So being blamed that she did it on purpose. No, literally I'm a 31 year old adult and I can't

hold my own bowel movements. Like what? Like that's so crazy. And then like also the psychological warfare that was, you know, not only damaging to Natalia, um, as the victim, but also the perpetrator, which was their autistic son who was directed to pee like on her bed and stuff by direction. In my opinion, both of those children, that's psychological warfare against both of those kids. I agree. I agree. And that, that is abuse in every form. It's almost, I mean, it's everything that you just said, but also to have your child who is now diagnosed with autism do that. He's already going through enough. Yeah.

Like that to me is abuse against a child who potentially like, I don't know, you know, everything's spectrum now. So he could be- You don't know where he falls on the spectrum. You don't know where he falls. Right. But to direct a child to do something that is autistic, you shouldn't be directing any type of child to do that. First of all, she should have had all her kids taken from her. Every single one of those children should have been taken because it's abuse in different forms against all of these kids. The only thing that made me question if she was an adult was the pubic hair and the period. But the period I think was debunked because there was actually, they never found evidence of that actually occurring.

Okay. Well, the, um, parents who have Natalia now that were on the Dr. Phil special with her said that she still doesn't have a period. So why would they be lying about that? I don't think she has a period,

especially given, you know, some of her health conditions and things like that. Also, if she had a period, I feel like, I mean, I know when some of her health conditions and things like that. Also, if she had a period, I feel like, I mean, I know when I got my period, I was in sixth grade, you know, like, I would know she would be able to know as far as the pubic hair goes. I don't really, I feel like I got pubic hair around. I know I had it in seventh grade, because don't get me

started on that. But I know I had it in seventh grade. So in seventh grade, you're roughly 12, 13 years old. I don't remember how soon before that I had it. Like, I don't remember when I started getting it. I don't remember. Like I couldn't even, I couldn't even comment on it. Cause I don't, I don't even think that they had proof of that either. But then here was another thing, because I had a question about the teeth. Like that was like a big thing. I'm like, I want Natalia Grace's dental records. Like, like I want all of the info, but it made me think they were talking about like her losing teeth and stuff. You could be four years old and lose a tooth, or you could be like Jackson who didn't lose a tooth,

his first tooth until he was eight years old. Right. So like losing teeth early could be like Jackson who didn't lose a tooth, his first tooth until he was eight years old. Right. So like losing teeth early could be a sign of some type of like genetic disposition, um, or poor prenatal care. You don't know. And so I've always heard, my parents always told me, it could just be like an old wives tale or a myth, but if you have a baby, you want them to like not get their teeth super early. Yeah. It's better for them to get them later. And you don't want them to fall out super early. Right. And actually if you, if you have a child that is like, um, missing teeth for like years and years and years, whether it's due to like trauma or something, they definitely do prefer to get like a flipper or something as like a placeholder because it thins out your gum line and your bone.

I don't know if this whole thing is your jaw, but like your whatever. So they do recommend getting like flippers or placeholders for your teeth. And so that's very possible too. Like you don't know what happened in all these other families, foster care, trauma, you know, bike injuries. I've, I know people have knocked out their teeth, bike riding and things like that. Like, I just, I don't know, but did they, I don't remember them commenting on her dental records. I feel like they commented on everything except their comment. They didn't comment on her dental records. I just wanted them. Yeah. Oh yeah. I'm like, I just want to tell his dental record so that I can

like get somebody that's smart enough to read them because we know that I'm not. They did comment on her teeth though. And that, you know, like she had adult teeth and whatever. And it's like, okay, well, that's not, to me, that's not an indication of anything, like whatsoever. I did want to comment on the videos that were of Natalia when she was like there reading the Bible and saying all the things that she was saying. I know as a parent that Jackson's like said stuff that I wanted to catch on video and I could go back and be like, what did you say? And like re video something to me, it felt like maybe, and again, I wasn't there. This was just like, hypothetically, this could have happened.

What if she was like telling her what to say on these videos and then just like catching stuff on video? First of all, why the fuck did she put certain things in? I'm not recording my kids being like, I've recorded my kids doing like funny things that are bad that I probably shouldn't record them doing, but it's like funny. And then it's like, okay, never do that again. But like, I'm not, if my kid is like crying and like, I'm trying to like coerce them to say something or do something, like I'm not recording those things. If my kid's being punished for something or disciplined for something, what the fuck are you doing? That's what, that's the word I was looking for. I feel like she might've been like

coerced and like these videos seemed very like bully-like. Yeah. Yeah. It was really weird. Like you're bullying your own kid. It was really weird. I didn't like it at all. It was like you're bullying your own kid. It was really weird. I didn't like it at all. Also, just wanted to comment on the apartment too. Like to me, that is when I watched the footage of Natalia in that apartment, it just looked like a little kid. And I don't say that because she's a little person.

I say that because of the mannerisms and the things like she's laying on the couch with a blanket, you know, watching TV, answering her dad, like something that she was giving would be like kid answers. Like my 10 year old would give. Yeah. Like, and then making up excuse, like the excuse about the donuts, like lying about that. That is very much like what one of them, if my kids thought they were going to get in trouble for something, they very much would have said something along those same lines. And then I would have been like, now, you know, that's not the truth. Like what, what was it really like? That sounded very much like a child, like a very childlike answer and lie.

And you know, the, the little neighbor that was being interviewed, she was like the old lady. And there was the – she had the grandsons or whatever that were playing the video games. And they said that Natalia came in and tried to, like, touch on them or whatever. I just feel like some things happened to her like along the way. Cause why would she, why would she know how to do that or want to do that or have the urge to do that? I have the urge to do that and,

and in different situations. Right. So like, And her not knowing it's wrong because she probably, it happened to her. She wouldn't have known, or maybe she felt like it was wrong, but she wouldn't have known if it actually was before she gets bounced to the

next family. And so maybe it happened more than once by more than one person. And so as a child, you're processing these things. You don't know if it is wrong or things like that. I'm going to go with my final answer on this is I do think that she was a child. Agreed. I do think that the biological mother that was on the documentary speaking told the truth. I'm going to be very interested to see the documentary that

comes out on Natalia's side. I agree. Which is soon. Didn't they say like in the fall or something? I feel like it was said like the fall. I almost wish, and obviously this is like wishful thinking. I wish that they released them as like a part one, part two. Like in tandem. Yeah. Because, um, you know, I don't, I don't like that they have given, you know, the, the, the Barnett's all of this time to kind of, I don't know, like, I just wish that her side was able to come out quicker, but maybe they didn't get wind of this other documentary first like i don't know and i also just feel like the system failed natalia like oh 100 every single every single doctor caregiver cps chop cop neighbor every single person failed natalia and yes i agree that some of her behaviors were weird um i don't believe the knife thing i don't believe the

knife thing. I don't believe she tried to kill them or poison them or anything like that. And for those reasons, I do believe that, you know, she was failed by every single person. I agree. And, you know, whoever it was that approved for her birth date to be changed on her birth certificate to age her to another age. My theory on that is that the Barnetts didn't want her anymore. And I think they wanted to try to age her to where she was old enough to where they wouldn't be legally responsible for her. And they wanted some type of legal document to cover their own ass and then just like throw her out like she's just garbage turn a blind eye which was weird too because then to turn around like you're

constantly looking over your shoulder like making sure she's not talking to certain people or certain people aren't interviewing her it's like you just did yourself a disservice like why not just go place her back up for adoption if that's what you were going to do? And I'm not saying that was – well, at this point, I do think it might be better. Any place would have been better than the Barnetts because they literally sound like hell on earth. And like the other families that wanted to adopt her, I feel like that was very telling too, that, you know, they thought that stuff was suspect. Like you cannot convince me that Michael did not participate more than what he let on. He should try to go to Hollywood because he definitely never go to Hollywood. Cause I won't believe none of his fucking lies.

He definitely needs to sign up for acting classes because he's just not good at it. Wait, wait, wait, wait. There's one more thing I need to touch on. What? Remember in the documentary when the piss thing comes up where the kid talks about, I think his name is Jacob. He pissed on all her bed sheets and things like that. But that's not what he was talking about.

There was something about him pushing her or dragging her down the stairs that never gets finished talking about. Yeah, I know. What the fuck was that? First of all, like, you shouldn't be pushing and dragging anybody down the stairs. But a child who is disabled that, like, literally cannot defend themselves has a hard time walking. Could you imagine, like – Like, punting someone down the stairs like that or like dropping her down? No. I just needed to touch on that.

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