Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - We're Doing The Best We Can

Episode Date: August 4, 2022

Allergy season is wreaking havoc and Kail is struggling to function while Lindsie reflects on getting nominated for the American Influencer Award for Podcast of the Year (Voting is open here!) A giant thank you to all who voted for us and an even bigger thank you to our listeners who have been supporting all our shows throughout the years!  Kail has some co-parenting issues that she needs advice on, Lindsie talks about the progression of her relationship with Suburban Dad, and of course, Lindsie shares ALL the tiktoks and gets Kails thoughts on them. Thank you to our sponsors!Huggies: Learn more on Huggies.comKiwico: Get 50% off your first month with code COFFEE at kiwico.comPair Eyewear: Go to paireyewear.com/COFFEECONVOS for 15% off your first purchasePeloton: Visit onepeloton.com to learn more!Vegamour: Go to Vegamour.com/coffeeconvos and use code coffeeconvos to save 20% on your first orderZocdoc: Go to Zocdoc.com/CONVOS and download the Zocdoc app for FREE

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say, thank you? This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship,

family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. This episode of Coffee Convos is brought to you by Huggie Special Delivery Diapers. Hello, everyone. Kale, why do you sound dead?

I took my medicine last night after 11 PM. And so it makes me so tired. And if I don't take it around like 8, I sleep a lot. So I'm so tired and I have congestion and I'm a little miserable. OK, wait. So are you talking about, I forget what medicine you're on. Are you on Lexapro?

I'm on Lexapro. OK, so is that the medicine that you're talking about? Yeah. OK, so part of me for just being blatantly ignorant. But is that a medicine that you take at nighttime or you have to play around with it to see what time you take it? Or? It says to take it in the morning.

But everyone that I did the thread in Coffee Convos Facebook group, they were suggesting to take it at night. So when I talked to my therapist and my psychiatrist, they said it was absolutely fine to take it at night. And so I found that I'm way more productive during the day when I take it at a reasonable time at night. So I normally go to bed around 9 and 30, like after the kids go to sleep.

But last night, Bone was here for, she was finishing Lincoln's mural on his wall. So we were just shooting this shit. And so it was like 11.15 by the time I laid down. And I hadn't taken my pill yet. So I think that's why I'm so drowsy this morning. Oh my gosh, that literally sounds miserable. And your voice, like my allergies feel like they're

getting a little bit better. But I was just having this conversation with my nanny and suburban dad yesterday that the allergies over this summer, I don't know if it's just geographically or if it's everybody. But I think it's everybody because I've talked to you. I've talked to Kristin, my nanny, and people here. And everybody seems to really be bothered by something

that's in the air. Yeah, I typically don't have allergies. Like I'm not allergic to anything, pollen, grass, cats, dandruff, nothing, dust. I don't have allergies. But this year, I'm starting to think I might be allergic to my kittens. And I think I've said that because I'm congested all the time.

And Delaware is already, on a normal basis, one of the worst states to live in for allergies. I'm not sure if it's the cornfields or because we have a lot of farming here. So already, it's pretty bad. And then this year, it's just people that don't even have allergies are having allergies. I'm just so glad to have you here and not thriving,

but just on Coffee Combo's podcast. For anybody who didn't know, that's like what we're doing right now is Coffee Combo's podcast. We also, I say we, Kristen is on here. She's always in producer mode listening to our bullshit. But she and I were laughing, not at Kale, but just like at the amount of fuckery that goes on between both of our lives.

Oh my god, last Sunday, I don't know what the fuck I was thinking. I over ate, like I ate so much steak and potatoes, like no funny shit. I don't know what I was thinking. And it was 100 degrees. And then we went to Lincoln's game. And there's no AC in the building. And I threw up so hard because I was overheated.

And then I also over ate poor Elijah, had to clean it out of the sink. Because you know, you guys. Steak and potatoes? Yeah. Oh, foul. Wait. Yeah.

So he definitely wanted to kill me that day. Yeah. He definitely wanted you to continue puking until you passed away at that moment. Yes. I very much relate. And this kind of reminds me to remind every person who is listening to drink water.

I told the story about suburban dad in the ER on Southern T. And like how he was severely dehydrated. And it's legitimately a thing. I think that people don't really realize how hot it gets outside. And when you miss meals or you're not properly hydrated or you're in the heat, that can really mess you up. Oh, for sure.

Yeah, it definitely can. And because I had a tummy tuck, this isn't going to sound crazy. And I don't know if anyone else has experienced this. But Kristen is my witness for this. Since I've had my tummy tuck, I cannot. It's not a weight loss surgery. It's not a sleeve or gastric bypass or anything like that. But I can't eat a lot because my stomach

can't stretch that far. It physically will not allow me to eat. So if I overeat, just like if you overeat when you have a sleeve or gastric bypass, you'll throw up. Same thing for me. So that's another part of it. I can attest to this.

And Kristen's on here, and she can as well, that when we travel, I feel like I eat more than you, Kale. And I just don't get it. And my stomach's not feeling full. So I'm like, I can just keep going. And I can just eat all day. There's got to be something to that with that tummy tuck and your insides.

I think it's because they sewed her muscles together. Hi. I think it's because they sewed her muscles together as part of the tummy tuck, where you get that. You know how some moms get it? I think it's called diastasis or diastasis recti or something. Yeah, Kale, have you seen that? No, I've never heard of it.

It's where the muscles spread open vertically. And you can get this weird protrusion, I think it is, forward. And your muscles just are super, super weak because they're stretched apart. Because your two ab muscles split in the middle. But they sewed yours together during your tummy tuck. And I think that's why nothing can stretch forward.

Wait, so this diastasis recti or whatever you say it, somebody's going to tell me that I can't speak. And I don't really give a fuck. But I know this mom on Instagram who had triplets or quadruplets or something like that. It was a lot of multiples. And she had this and had the surgery for it. And it says online that diastasis recti

is common in women who are over 35 who deliver a high birth weight baby or have had multiple pregnancies. And it's mostly noticeable after delivery. I'm going to show you these pictures, Gil. We're just off on a tangent. But I was going to say, I did not plan on talking about it. It might throw up stories and not being able to eat.

It separates your abs or something, right, Kristin? Yes. Yes, your abs muscles. Yeah, we're not. Well, wait, I'm going to send you these photos. I'm sending it to you guys. Look in the group. Hey, Kale, actually, I love how that was the first time

you responded to the group in some time. Kale is officially the person in all group chats that is reading everything probably more than anybody else and not responding. I used to respond more than Lindsay. Lindsay was the one that used to not really respond. Now I'm just like so on top of my shit and feel like I'm thriving and just

want to be having conversations with you guys. And now you're on the damn out. And I need you to get out of it so that you can talk to me. I'm starting to feel better now that I'm sitting here, to be honest, and talking and stuff. Sometimes I think I self-sabotage. I sulk in my own sorrow. So if I'm feeling like shit, I'll just sit here

and feel like shit. But then, I don't know, talking and maybe changing the subject, talking to you guys, talking about other things and feeling like shit, it just starts to make me feel better. You know what I told Kristin this morning on our morning call? What? I said, we need to go on a coffee combos trip in the fall,

not just for coffee combos purposes, but strictly for Kale to interact with us. Literally. Like, that would be a major benefit for you. Wait, you know what we're missing? And we didn't tell anybody at the beginning of this episode that we were supposed to. What?

I'm so excited about it and literally almost shit myself driving down the road when Kristin called me. Do you even know what it is? No, I have no idea. You need to get with the times. It's huge coffee combos breaking news. I wish we had a sound effect that was like for news breaking. But we were nominated for the American influencer awards

podcast of the year. And I'm just so excited about it. I look back on our journey over the past, what, five years. Are we coming up on five years in November? Yeah, five years. And I do, in a sense, feel like we're kind of deserving. But at the same time, I'm almost in shock as well. I'm so thankful, also in shock a little bit.

It feels good also. I just want to say shout out to podcast one because I feel like us going with podcast one has really opened a lot of doors for us. And I don't want to say anything negative about previous networks or anything like that. But I feel like it wouldn't be possible without podcast one. And obviously, all of our listeners.

So I'm so thankful and also in disbelief a little bit. So thank you all. I really appreciate every single one, even when you guys don't agree with us, even when you're like, oh my god, the sound quality sucks this week, whatever. Thank you for sticking with us. Thank you for believing in us. And thank you for tolerating all of our bullshit all the time.

All the time. Wait. I do have something funny to say, but I just want to say before we get off the topic of this award that we have not won yet. Like it's in the voting stages. Either way, though. We were nominated, and that to me is a win in itself.

But all the information, we're going to be posting that on our Instagram page, to the Facebook fan page, any Facebook groups that we are associated with with our shows, we're going to be posting all the information there for you guys to be able to vote. And that is a simple, free way for you guys just to show support to our show.

If you're a listener every week or just an occasional one, if you'll just please take the time to do that outside of that. We were driving home from Nashville yesterday. And Jackson was like, hey, mom, do you know how on your podcast with Kale, that you call it Kitty Gang? And I was like, yep. And he was like, well, that's an interesting thing for you.

And I'm like, why is that? And he's like, well, because you freaking hate cats. And I'm like, mm-hmm. It was a good observation, Jackson. It was just a catchy thing that we were saying. Like, Kale has a lot of cats, so we're just the Kitty Gang. Meanwhile, I'm like, you don't know that that's what they call a vagina for playing.

So here we are. Oh my gosh, Jackson. I mean, that was a good observation. He's not wrong. Yes, he was like, I really, you know, I like your podcast, and I want to be a guest on it very soon. I'm not mad at you and Kale anymore. I'm like, OK, I love that for you.

I love that you are no longer upset with our foul prank on you. I'm so sorry for that. Does he know that I was very upset about doing that? Oh, yeah. OK, good, because I need him to know that. He said, I'm going to be mad at you for the future and not at Kale, and now he's not mad at me anymore. So I'm like, you know what, I'll take the small wins, ma'am.

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Follow us on Instagram at Vibe and Kind of Thrive-In. We'll catch you on Mondays. Can you tell me, looked like you were pretty much at every sports arena all weekend long. I have no idea what was transpiring in your life. It looked like mass chaos. And I know that you had a story to tell about your kids with sports and co-parenting and all the above.

So would love to hear what the hell's going on. OK, so I want to preface this by saying, in no way is this meant to bash, gaslight, taunt, whatever. This is about to be a little bit long-winded, so bear with me. But I really, really need to know. I need advice on this. So Lincoln had two football games on Friday. And then Saturday was the birthday party.

We were supposed to go to his tackle football draft. But because it was Creed's birthday, I had to unfortunately miss the draft, which is supposed to be a really good time. Excuse me. And then Sunday, we had basketball. Now, I want to say ahead of time, basketball is about 45 minutes from my house.

And the only reason why it's that far this time is because, I guess, during sign ups, they didn't have enough players for our town. So they combined to whatever players they did have, and they moved it to the one that's 45 minutes away. That being said, Javi has always coached Lincoln. And I think he's going to coach probably up until Eli's ready. I don't know this for sure, I'm just assuming.

When Eli is at the age where Javi can start coaching him is the understanding that I have. So for example, last Sunday, I had to take Lux and Creed to a birthday party for their little friend. So Javi took Lincoln to his basketball game, and unfortunately, I didn't make it. And so that brings me to say, where

do you guys sign your kids up if you're co-parenting when your other parent lives in another town? Because I got an email saying that, because I have no problem driving 45 minutes or an hour, that I should sign up Lux and Creed in the middle of Chris and I. Now, football has always been there because we don't really like the program that's by us.

And so football is there. I'm also on the board, Javi coaches, and it just so happens that it's in between Chris and I. As far as everything else goes, Lux goes to school here with me. He's primarily with me. I have him over 90% of the time during the school year. He only gets every other weekend. So I believe that he should be with his cousins

and his best friends here at school during the school year, the school months. And he said that all sports should be in the middle. So I'm going to tell you what's in my parenting plan and how we navigate it. However, it's going to look very differently for you because, again, I'm a mom of one. I'm not a mom of multiples.

And Will and I also live five minutes from each other. So I don't have experience enough to say what I would do. I will say in my parenting plan that the one thing that Will has more control over than I do is the sports. And mainly because that's kind of like a dad thing with his son. I'm fine with whatever they agree to. I remove myself from the situation. Will signs him up.

I put it on my calendar. I take him on my time. Will takes him on his time. And we're not dealing with an issue as far as location is concerned, if that makes sense. Because we both would be signing him up at the same place if we were signing up. But I will say there is so much value in your child

playing sports with friends that they're going to go to school with or that are in their community. And I will just say the experience that we had from playing like rec baseball, there were some kids that went to his school and some kids that went to other schools. But then when he played basketball at the school, it was so much better because he was with all of his peers

that he regularly goes to school with. So I think that there is something to be said for acclimating your kids with people that they are going to be around long term. And I don't see what the benefit would be outside of it strictly being a benefit to the parents to meet halfway. Right, right. And furthermore, I've always been the one that

registers and pays for it. I have always been me. And then secondly, for me, it's not about convenience of me, where he's making it about the convenience of him. Does that make sense? Yeah, and when you have kids, I think it's not their fault that I literally

said to Kristin this morning. I was like, who came up with the idea that we have kids with someone and then we don't end up with them because whoever that was. Well, and the other thing that frustrates me is outside of that one year that I lived in Middletown when I was trying to make it work with him, I was still driving him here

for school, for play care, for his little sports that he was doing at the time. Because this is still all he knew. Does that make sense? And that's still a 40 minute drive. But this is all he knows, so I was still doing sports and everything here. And not to compare, but Joe moved an entire state

to be with his son. You can drive down here. This is where he was born. This is where he lived primarily. This is where all of his friends and some of his cousins that came for Creed's cake on Saturday. They're also Chris's cousins and they all play sports down here. Those are his best friends.

So it is very frustrating because this is not about convenience. It's not about the drive for me. I will take the drive. I would take the drive. But everything that Lux knows is down here. Why would I sign him up? And when I signed him up for baseball,

that was he wanted to play baseball. It was down here. He's playing with his little friend Nash. That's going to be in his class this year. You know what I mean? So that was really important to me. And he got to meet other kids that are going to go to his same school.

So for me, it's not about, like I said, it's not about convenience. Well, and I will say, when you lived in Middletown, you were making that drive to take him to school. Because I think, ultimately, in your heart, you knew that you're probably going to end up back. Even if it was subconsciously, you knew you're probably going to end up back in that area.

And it's hard when you see the other dads making sacrifices. And one's not. That's a very hard thing, too. And I think that you're removing yourself from the situation and just saying, OK, strictly, this is what is best for Lux. And I think that just based off of knowing that you travel for Lincoln, like if he has a tournament

somewhere or whatever, that really speaks to your character on the situation of it's not about the travel. It's about him being situated with his friends that he's going to grow up with ultimately. Because that is my number one thing. I hated going to school when I didn't play sports and I didn't know anybody.

This is the perfect time for him to make friends before the school year starts. And he did. During baseball season, he was able to do that. They did this little trial. It's like a practice track. It wasn't like I registered it and paid for it. It was free.

So he went to that for two weeks. And he got to see other people that are his age that are going to go to his school and stuff. And not for nothing during baseball. When I let Chris know he was playing baseball down here, Chris said he was not taking him on his weeks. He would not make that drive. He would not participate.

So he did not go to practice or games on Chris's weeks. And like you said, during the school year, he resides with me. So therefore, any sports during the school year, I believe, should be during me. Now, during the summer, like football, we played in Middletown. That makes sense because during the summer, we're 50-50.

Baseball's not during the summer. Basketball's not during the summer. You get what I'm saying? So it just doesn't make sense. But I feel like now that I'm saying it out loud, that's a compromise. Anything that he signed up for during the summer should be 50-50, should be at least close to the middle.

Anything during the school year will be close to the middle. Yeah, I think summer is an extra curricular, right? It's not required. It's not really in season. It's just extra stuff to keep your kids involved in something over summer. So I think if you guys are meeting in the middle for that, that's one thing, because you're sharing 50-50.

But when it comes to regular season stuff, I think that that should fall where you live, because that's ultimately where Lux lives and where his little friends are going to be. And who wants to play with people that they don't really know? That's just uncomfortable. No, because he's already meeting new friends at school

and stuff that are playing down here. Why would he? Yeah, I mean, I don't want to do that. I will say, I guess, one thing that's like different in your stuff is that Will has control of the sports and things with Jackson. And I'm always just on board, whatever you guys choose. But he also pays for it.

So it's like, if you want to control, you pay for it type of mentality. Well, I also pay for it. So there is that. I would love Kristin's take on this as an outsider, but also inside the situation, but someone who does not have kids. Well, one thing I was going to say that I think is the bird.

Yeah, there's my bird. One thing I think is really interesting is that this was already worked out in your parenting plan versus what Kale and Chris have. So I didn't even know sports and stuff is something that could be put into some type of custody agreement, which probably would be smart. Because I feel like this obviously,

this isn't just you and Chris issue. This probably is so many more people than just you and Chris, obviously. But at the end of the day, I just think that so many things have been based out of convenience from what I've seen on Chris's end that this isn't surprising. But when you become a parent, you're

supposed to do everything that's in the best interest of the child, not yourself. Right. You think I want to drive a suburban 45 minutes away twice a week to accommodate Lincoln's sport? No. And sit in a gym with no fucking AC? Like, you think I want to do that?

Because I fucking don't. Right. And it has nothing to. I will do it for Lincoln until the end of my time. You know what I mean? So if it came down to that for Lux and Creed, I will do the same. But that's not fucking convenient for me.

I don't want to do it. You're like, I'm not choosing to sit in this gym sweating my literal vagina lips off. Literally. To sit here. Well, right. So I just think that that needs to be taken into consideration as the fact of everybody's personal feelings

should be taken out of it. And obviously, they are on your end because you're doing whatever it is that you have to do. Because Lincoln's at the age where he can decide where he wants to play, what James he wants to be on, if it's something he wants to do, and you're going to do your best to make it happen. And that's called parenting.

You're not living for yourself. You're living for your child. And I see my bird of grease. I think that that's something that needs to be thought more of. And that's something that even I've had conversations between me and Corey about kids. And I'm like, at the end of the day, I feel like when you decide to have a child

and it's like a planned situation, you're not living for yourself anymore. Well, true, but you're not living for yourself anymore. Your stuff comes third, fourth, fifth on the list. Everything that's first is your kids, what's best for them. Their wants, their hopes, their dreams. So that needs to be thought about. And it sounds dumb because Lux is so young.

But sports helps to shape a whole well-rounded person. It teaches them teamwork. It teaches them work ethic. It teaches you learn failure, discipline, success, how to be humble in success. Just so many things that they're important. Hell, how to be humble in failure. Well, exactly.

Don't be a four loser, exactly. And I just think that his lack of effort into Lux's other sports doesn't get to become an issue now that Lux is at the prime time to be starting actual teams. I want to read an email. I'm going to read an email that I responded to. I love getting insider information and us just

reading off emails. Those are so fun. So he says, Kale, it's clear your son, Lincoln, plays sports in Newark very close to me. So it seems you have no problem making the travels for sports. So there should be no reason why sports isn't something that's equal for both of us. As I stated numerous times, I would like to be a part of.

Putting Lux in sports in your area and not even telling me for whatever personal region you have isn't co-parenting or even trying to. Being as though you have no problem making the drive, it should be no problem and honestly no argument when it comes to putting my kids in sports in the middle of both of us. You did it with football.

So track, baseball, football, basketball, whatever other sport you try to put them in should be in Middletown. And I responded with, actually, they didn't have enough players for the team close to us, so they combined them to play in Newark for six weeks. That wasn't the original plan. Furthermore, what haven't I included you in?

Lux is about to start kindergarten in Smyrna, so all slash most of his activities are in Smyrna or nearby. You contribute nowhere else. I stopped asking for money from you, meaning for sports. I think you're more than capable of coming to Smyrna. I will absolutely not be putting him in Middletown baseball, soccer, or basketball unless that is the only option.

Football is a Middletown always has been. And he said that I, he said, please stick to the topic without trying to gaslight someone. I think just based off an outsider hearing the email from Chris, I think that there is also a lack of understanding of what you're doing with Lincoln. It was an immediate assumption of you don't have a problem traveling there for it

when it really was no other option. Maybe there should have been a conversation before jumping to conclusions on something, but I also think that maybe it's probably in y'all's best interest just as an outsider and a fellow mom that if it's going to be a issue all the time, and this is going to rear its head every school year, every time it comes time to sign up for sports,

that you guys maybe should get a mediator. That mediator might be Kristen. And find a way to have some type of agreement. So I always say agreements are good. Will and I don't go 100% off of our agreement, but in the times that we can't reach agreement outside of that agreement, we just go by the agreement. Right, well, so our agreement is that both parents

have to participate. And when he was playing baseball here in Smyrna, he did not participate. And I kind of let it slide. I obviously marked it down. The last email I ended up sending to him, because he said I tried to gaslight him. No, you don't pay.

What I was saying by I don't ask you for money was obviously for medical bills, which that was a whole Instagram thing. But also I stopped asking him for half registration fees, half of equipment and stuff like that. The last email I ended up sending was, Chris, let me reiterate to you that Dover and Smyrna is where Lux has always gone to school.

Most of Lux's peers, including his best friends and cousins, are here, and he would be playing with them in this area. You do not have 50-50 during the school year, which needs to be taken into consideration during sports registration. Lastly, since we are comparing Lincoln to Lux, per your reference to Lincoln's sports location, let's compare you to the other dads.

Joe moved his entire life to another state to be close to his son. And you can't even drive down here where Lux primarily resides during the school year, nine slash 10 months out of the year. Javi has always been very heavily involved and willing to take Lincoln to sports if I cannot. I cannot say the same for you.

This is not about convenience for me or for you. This is about Lux. And I got no response. So that is where I stand. But if I'm wrong, like I said, I feel like the best compromise here is during 50-50 months, 50-50 location. During the school year, he should be here. I feel like that's the best compromise,

because then I could understand if he can't make it an hour multiple times a week during the school year. I understand that. I'm not holding that against you. I'm not going to come attack you for it. I get it. You have another child up there. You have a family up there.

I understand. But during the summer, where flag football is, we'll do 50-50. We'll do Middletown like always. I think when you're co-parenting, as much as it truly just sucks, I say it sucks because it's not ideal. It wasn't what was intended. And my eyes is you have two parents who make children

and raise them together. You're already in a situation to where it's like, that's not happening. And then when you have to start making compromises, it makes it feel even worse. And that is the only way to co-parent. It's a constant compromise. It's unfortunate, but it's true.

I think it's also important to say that, Kayle, obviously, we know you wouldn't have an issue driving Luxe anywhere if there were no sports at his school or near his friends and his friends were all playing in Middletown, you would drive. That's the difference. It's like trying to keep him with the people that he should be in relationships with because school

is going to be a big enough transition as it is. That's like a huge deal. And it just is so much easier when you know people and you have friends and have relationships outside of just like, oh, these are the kids that are in my class. And then you're like. Over time, he's going to grow resentful. Like if you don't let him play sports with his friends

and his classmates, like he's going to say, why am I not doing that? And all these kids are forming relationships that they are going to be friends with these people for their entire childhoods. And he's going to miss out on all of that. That's not fair. Right.

OK. So I mean. We love you, Luxe. We know. We're advocating for you, baby. As soon as this airs, it's going to be you guys are yes men. You guys are agreeing with everything that I'm saying. But I did go on.

I have the most trolls, I think, on Twitter. And I did ask on Twitter just because I felt like they're the least biased, I guess. And pretty much everyone is saying where the primary residence is. Yeah. And I would tell you, I don't care if I get called a yes man, I do all the time.

I'm one of the biggest people that tells you no 24-7. Literally. So I would tell you if you were being dumb, I wouldn't even let you be talking about it right now. But in my opinion, it doesn't matter who's asking me. You should always be allowed to play with your friends. That's literally what I think. And like I said, there's nothing wrong with if there's

a better program somewhere else. But if there is a better program somewhere else or there's no program here and we do drive a little bit, most likely the same kids that he would be playing with at his own school would also be going there. Also, yeah, because you approach them. We saw it happen with football. Oh, I do it all the time.

Well, to be honest, we already know. No, because when he, you know, in Middletown for flag football, that's where he met a lot of the people that he was actually going to school with because there was, there's no flag football in Smyrna. So a lot of the Smyrna kids were playing in Middletown. And so it means like it also makes sense. You know what I mean?

For sure. I mean, yeah. But we can move on. I'm sick of, I'm honestly sick of talking about this. I hate to say anyone who says that Kristen and I are yes-men. We're probably the people that would call you out before anybody else. Like we're not going to publicly do that,

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went to Nashville with Jackson and I. And we had such a good time and it was our first little like weekend away. And I did just want to like tell everyone because I got this question and Kristin can probably attest to this because she's also logged into my Instagram. Over and over again has suburban dad met my family.

Yes, but with my family living in Atlanta over the summer for like six weeks, it was sooner than what we had kind of anticipated going down but the circumstances of my parents being in town and living here over the summer, it just kind of naturally transpired that way. And truly the way that everything's gone down, I feel like I have just listened to my heart

and led that way and whatever feels right to go that way instead of being set to a plan, if that makes sense. 100%. 100%. Sometimes I think when you try to control too much, that's when things get messed up and everything that has transpired in the relationship since we have been seeing each other,

I feel has just been like a true natural progression. And I think it is because I have gone, I've had things in my mind of like, okay, this is what I want to see and I don't want to mess up, but also just listening to my heart and being like, you know, this feels right and going with what felt right.

I had been asked on Instagram and like one of those Q and A's, it said, I know your family had a hard time accepting your ex, do they seem more welcoming this time? And I did just want to talk about that a little bit because I think every relationship is so different. And I said that, you know, the conversation, that question is like very loaded,

I feel like to be answered on a Q and A and needed a little bit more attention. The short answer is yes, my family has been much more welcoming to the situation but also the life phase that we're in, I think that the circumstances surrounding the relationship, the fact that we've all, all my family members and myself have all been in therapy

for an extended period of time at this point that we're in better places also with each other to be able to accept someone else to be in our life, you know, I think all of those factors have a substantial impact on their ability to accept him. You also have to remember that when Will and I started dating, I was 19 years old and I was still living at home and moved out.

So I think a lot of my dad's resentment and me growing up and doing things that were like a natural progression in life, but I think that he held some resentment towards Will, I guess, for the progression of that. I think he feels like because of my relationship with Will, it kind of sped up me moving out and like my eagerness to move out and to be on my own

and to do my own things. So I think there was just like a lot going on and my dad went into a state of depression when I moved out. So I will never forget the weekend that I moved to my own place. My dad packed up the entire family and went to our lake house

and I was left to like get all of my personal items like out of my parents' house and move them on my own. Like my dad didn't want any part of that and Will was a part of that. So I think that with me being 32 years old, suburban dad being a little bit older than me and just like where we are in life, it just changes the circumstances altogether.

Yeah, no, I completely agree with that. And I think that saying time heals all. Everyone just needed some time. Yeah, I think that's very true. And I mean, I don't know what your relationship was like with Joe's parents and then with Harvey's parents and now with, I still like to call them hot neighbor. Hot neighbor's parents.

I'm sure those situations are very different as you have evolved with yourself and you've grown up the way you present yourself and those relationships look very different, I'm sure. Yeah, they're all very different. I'm trying to, actually, I think Harvey and I's parents, Harvey and I's parents, wow. Harvey's parents.

Harvey's parents, our relationship has always, like they're just, they've always been good to me even through the bullshit. So they're kind of like an anomaly. Well, and I say, even though whatever happened and whatever reason that my family and Will and Will's family like could not jive, God had a bigger plan for us.

And I truly hope it's no knock to Will or his family or whatever, like I truly hope that Will find someone that makes him so whole and adds to his wholeness, whatever pieces that are missing and his family can accept her and love on her. And I want that for myself, you know, I want suburban dad, I keep almost calling him his name. Suburban dad, I want him to be able to be a part

of my family as just like one of us. And for us to ride out the good, the bad, the ugly and all be able to collectively do that together and remain a united front, that's very important to me. And, you know, I truly didn't value that in my relationship with Will. Will made it very known early on in our relationship that he had parents, so he didn't need other ones.

And, you know, suburban dad also has a relationship with his parents and a great relationship with his parents. And for the small amount of time that I was around them, I think that they're really great people. And I'm very eager to spend more time with them. But he has not taken that same approach. I think he's very open to being a part of my family and embracing that, and that makes me really happy.

I love that, I do love that. We were having so much fun in Nashville. Actually, I say we were having so much fun. We had a lot of hard conversations, like all the conversations in a relationship that I did not have in my relationship with Will, which I said to suburban dad. I was like, I think that the government,

like if they're gonna be involved in marriages, which we know how I feel about that, but like if they're gonna be involved in that, they should also be involved in helping one survive, right? Like literally, it should be required by law for you to have financial conversations, just like general life conversations of things that are super important

that I feel like people just miss the vote on. And then they have those conversations after the fact that they've made like life-changing decisions. And then it's like, okay, now we're gonna get divorced because we can't agree on finances. Like that's just dumb. Like why are we waiting to have those conversations? And so, had a lot of hard conversations this weekend

that like no one really wants to have, but was super productive. And yeah, I'm still in love, so there we are. And yeah, I'm so loved, so there we are. I love that for you. I wanted to get your take on this too, because I'm basically a hypocrite. You all are at some point.

I should really like think before I speak sometimes, but it's like really hard when you run two podcasts a week that are about your life and you're just like out here spattin' off stuff. And you're like, I really put my foot in my mouth on that. I had said, and I don't remember if it was on here or the Southern Tee, but you can tell me, actually you probably won't even remember.

Chris don't have to tell us, but I had said that I didn't want Will to introduce someone to Jackson that he was dating before they met me. Yes, I actually do remember that. And so, I kind of got called out about it on Instagram and why it was like a double standard. And I don't think it's double standard.

I think that I just did it before Will, and so now my thought process kind of changed on it, and it's kind of changed because of circumstances and I'm gonna share those, but then also having conversations with suburban dad and how he has navigated because he's been divorced for nine years and what's worked and like what doesn't work.

And so suburban dad was originally introduced to Jackson as one of my friends. And so- I'm a big fan of that. Kind of like showing him how a relationship evolves and witnessing a friendship turning into a courtship was important to us. And so I don't think,

I think it would have been premature to introduce Will to him or him to Will when we were operating off of a friendship. So that's number one. And ultimately call it petty, call it tip for tat, but I came to the conclusion just based off of a few things from our past that I don't think even if that was my wish that Will would even consider that

he's gonna do what he wants to do when he wants to do it, which his prerogative on his time on his dime is like one of my favorite things to say. But when we divorced, we had agreed on a couple of things that like never came to fruition. And so when it came time to ultimately make a decision, I prayed on it, worked on it with myself

and my therapist and suburban dad and ultimately came to the conclusion that it was gonna play out the way that it has. But we had agreed when we divorced that if Will was going to stay in the marital home and I was gonna be the required person to move, that he would keep the house for a year. And so thought that was gonna happen.

I get moves. What was the reasoning for him keeping it for a year? Well, so I think it was a couple things to be honest. I think that both of us were a bit scared of the decision that we were making and didn't want it to be so final. And I knew that like once we got rid of that house that would be getting rid of our marital home.

So, you know, done. Right, and also transitional for Jackson. That was another factor. Yeah. You know, him having his, with it being so, what felt like so many transitions in such a short period of time for him to have something that remained stable

that he had always had. And so to keep that house for a year. And so he had agreed to that. And Will went from you guys literally, I am not even dogging Will. I've told Will this to his face over text message, actually to his real estate agent and probably his parents, I don't know.

But he was looking at something that was basically like a farm. And then he ended up in a golf neighborhood. So I'm like, you know, whatever. Might have been an impulsive decision. I'm not sure, but I got good and moved out, started getting my stuff unpacked here at this house, which you guys know took me for frickin' ever.

And get a call one night that I need to start signing these disclosures, whatever, that the house is going back on the market, so on and so forth. So that was ended up being sold. I moved into this house in July. He was sold and moved by September. So that's like how quick that it transpired.

And then also, you know, I had said to him, when you do decide to move, like I would like to be a part of that process because I didn't hide anything a part of my process. And also, you know, Jackson's never been away from me. So for him to be moving into a house that like I've never lived in felt very unsure for me. And so, not that I wanted to be in his business

by any means, but we also have a minor child that's going to be living there 50% of the time. So I'm like, you know, just involve me in the process. Later I find out that he's gone under contract on this house and scheduled to close. His parents have gone and seen the home. He's taken Jackson to see the home and I have no clue about anything.

So I think because of the way that like those things, and there's a couple other things that I'm just not gonna get into because it wouldn't be fair for me to share, you know, those other things that he's done that I feel have been behind my back or like a betrayal through the process that I just felt that it was like in my best interest

to do the way that I have. And, you know, I really don't have any regrets for it. Yeah, I mean, I think there's no way for you, like we're all just doing the best we can. So even when things feel like hypocrisy or, you know, I mean, I'm not saying that nobody acts out of spite because I know I have or her, I know I have. But I think in the grand scheme of things,

like we're all trying to do the best we can in the moment. And so I don't think you should have any regrets. Obviously, like you're gonna take away lessons if you do something that maybe doesn't necessarily go the way that you anticipated, you take a lesson away from this. Like, okay, this, you know, if this comes up again, I know how to move forward.

I know how to do things differently or I'll do things the exact same way. And so I don't think that you should have any regrets. So I mean, yes, is it something that's going to bother me when Will does it? Yes, and that sounds like a hypocrite, but I think it's also part of the process. And it's also not something that I'm gonna like

rear my head at, you know, it's like, that's part of the process. And that's something that I ultimately have to handle in therapy because it's not Will's problem anymore. And it's not Jackson's problem. And it's not something that I should project onto that situation.

And so I'm committed to working through it for myself through therapy and I'm okay with it. Well, I think people forget that we're humans too. So, I mean, at the end of the day, we're still gonna have feelings whether we are hypocrites or not, whether we do things the right way, the wrong way, you know, where it's a learning curve,

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slash coffee combos on completely unrelated. No, I had to tell you. I basically was a liar because I said I was gonna like check out this one show on Hulu that someone from, I act like they're talking to me on this Facebook group but like really it's like, they're talking to everybody but I say this person told me, you know,

like as if we had this conversation to watch this show on Hulu. And I am committed to watching it this week. I have a more relaxed week than I did last week but truly Monday through Friday last week, I did not get a chance to watch anything on TV. I had so much stuff going on but over the weekend, I did get a little bit of time

to watch a couple episodes of Virgin River. As you guys all know, I'm a big fan and I love, I'm gonna call my dad out. He loves to like spoil shows. So I don't know if he legitimately spoiled the ending for me or like where it is in this show that's aired thus far or if it's bullshit. So I'm still like watching to find out

if he's bullshitting me or if it's for real. But so funny because Jackson said, I hate Virgin River. And I'm like, bro, like you've literally never watched an episode of Virgin River. Like why do you hate it so much? And he's like, well, because you guys just always wanna sit on the couch and snuggle and watch Virgin River. And I'm like, yeah, because that's something

that we enjoy doing. Like we can't be at the trampoline park all the time and we can't be nimble dicking around with you on Fortnite all the time. And like we've got to have some personal times your kids ever get upset when you're like watching a show and they're like, what are you doing for so long? Or do they just don't care?

I don't watch TV when my kids are home. So I can't. You're like, I can't because they're literally so annoying. They're so loud. They're so fucking loud. You can't, you can't listen to the show over your kids chaos. And then you have to, everybody knows

when you're trying to watch a show and like keep up with all the details but you're trying to watch it and also do something else at the same time. And then you like repeat the episode because you need to get the details to go on to the next episode. That's story of my life.

Literally, well, and in the car, Lincoln loves to play videos and music over the music in the car. Oh God. I can't. And I don't know, there's a meme I read and it's like, I don't know how to explain to someone that I'm overstimulated because kids are talking,

the music is playing, the fan is blowing, like all these sounds and I can't handle sounds. Like I cannot handle multiple things happening at one time anymore. Wait, I think it's like a disorder. I don't know what it's called but like if it is a disorder, I also have that. It's called ADHD slash sensory processing disorder, but.

Okay, well, there's the medical terms of what we are. Cause I also have that problem. I'm like, bro, like you have AirPods, you have Bose headphones back there. Like I've given you multiple options to not aggravate the shit out of me. Facts. Like, please.

Wait, we have so much more to talk about on this episode and like we're not gonna have time but I need to do two things before we go. Well, I say two things, but then it's gonna be like more than two things. One of them is Creed's birthday. Yeah. Need details about that.

We did not do anything big because I don't have a pool and it was literally a hundred degrees. And so I didn't want to have a big party and then not have anything to do outside, you know? Yes. So we literally just had Lux and Creed's little cousins that they play sports with that I've been basically talking about this whole episode.

And then VV came, V's daughter. Yeah. And we just, I had a blow up pool. They played outside. We did cake and pizza. And it was so simple and I have to say that I'm so thankful I didn't have a big party just because I wasn't prepared.

I didn't have the energy. It was so hot, but the kids ended up having, I literally looked at Anna, which is Lux and Creed's cousin's mom. They're related through the kids dad. Yeah. Yeah. And I looked at her and I said,

had I known that all of these kids were going to be so obsessed with this blow up pool? I would have never paid for an in-ground pool and I would put three blow up pools out back and then just refill them every time they get dirty. They had so much fricking fun. I never, like, what the heck was I thinking? Wait, isn't it so amazing?

And I've heard people say this so many times. Like, when you spin the least and like put- They have the least fun. Just like no thought into it. It's just like thrown together like piecemeal. They think it's so fricking great. And then you can do a complete blowout, spend so much time, so much energy,

literally be so stressed because a certain decoration didn't come in. And they don't give one single fuck about- Shit, no, they don't. They do not care. They had so much fun. I was so thankful. I felt so relieved.

Next year, I am going to do a big party. The other reason why I didn't do a big party was because I always do Lux and Creed's parties together. And I won't have Lux for his birthday. Chris is taking them to the beach or something. So I won't have Lux. I won't see him on his birthday. So I didn't want it to be like,

oh, Creed gets a party, but Lux doesn't. And then- So next year, I'll have like a big pool party for them. But I- The pool will be in. It'll be so exciting. Yes. Wait, is that someone drilling into your house

or is it my house? Nobody's at my house. Because I just hear a drill. Well, it's not me. Oh, wow, Kristen. Thanks for letting me know that the Pergola people were coming by. Oh, I had no idea.

So that's good. We, we love that. They showed up. Fantastic. That's what- Okay. That's what drilling, that's what drilling is taking place.

Speaking of you guys, I just can't, okay? So I have had such a go around. I will say one thing that I like really miss about Will is that he took care of all of like our yard stuff. And like I never had to lift a finger about that. Like he's a yard man. Like he has-

A yard man. He has a green thumb. I'm over at this house. I literally have kudzu growing from the top of one of my trees. It's literally, it had like taken over one of my trees. A complete disaster with the landscapers around here. I have four dead plants on my front porch.

Suburban dad's gonna be listening to this and I'm apologizing right at this moment before you see that it's missing. He had bought me a rose tree for Mother's Day. And I killed that. And so it got thrown away prior to our Nashville trip. So like I can't keep shit alive, but when I tell you, I was sending Kristin videos.

She can tell you guys about this. I was sending her videos at like 8 and 9 p.m. last week. It was like Thursday, I think, of the landscapers still in the neighborhood. I chased them down and was like, I'm going to physically bring you to my yard to show you all the things that are going on and why I look like I live in a foreclosure

when I'm paying for this service. The foreclosure. I will post these photos for you guys to be able to see exactly what's going on, why I've been so alarmed. The guys were super nice and I literally couldn't even hardly be mad at them when I got face to face with them.

But I was like, listen guys, like I'm not trying to be ugly here, but like I'm not cutting kudzu out of a tree. And I don't even know what the fuck that is. I don't even have trimers. I've never heard of that. Yeah, Kristin said that it must be something that's growing in the South

because she had never seen it either. And she was like, what the actual hell is going on? Yeah, it's just a bad look. It's in the document if you'd like to go. I'm sending this into the group chat right now and I just need Kale's reaction. Okay. So whatever the hell this is

because the first time I saw it, I was like, your tree has a fungus or another tree growing out of it. Oh, it had something. And I was like, I can't even have people over here. They're going to think that like I'm unkept. What the fuck is that?

Yeah, what is that? Wait, send her the other photo of me sitting on my porch. I get a text from Lindsay saying, I'm about to fix myself a Coke and go sit out there and chase these landscapeers down. And I'm like, yo, yo, okay. And she did.

I think she didn't care. I think Kristen thought I was kidding. Like I'm not sure what the process was because Kristen has also been trying to get in touch with these people for like a week now and you call them and the guy comes out to my yard and he's like, well, you can just call us.

And I'm like, well, that's an interesting recommendation, like how novel like come up with that idea. Maybe clear out your freaking inbox. And he's like, well, sometimes we get 300 calls a day. And I said, you know what? I'm not going to tell you how to run your business

but I'm slightly going to tell you how to run your business. You maybe get less calls if people didn't have Kudzu growing in their trees. Is that the real name for it or did you make that up? No, I think it's called Kudzu. That's what my grandparents used to call it. Like Kud, well, now that I say that my grandparents

called it that, it might be something else. Let me, let me look it up. Cause I'm pretty sure it's called Kud, Kudzu. Oh wait, I spelled it wrong. Go figure. Wait, okay. It says Kudzu also called Japanese Aero root. Sorry for this pergola situation going on back here.

I think they're trying to stabilize it. I only hear scratching. Yeah, I can't hear. That's probably me and I can't hear it. Okay. So it says Kudzu also called Japanese Aero root or Chinese Aero root is a group of climbing, coiling and trailing perennial vines native to much of East Asia, South Asia and some Pacific islands

but invasive in many parts of the world, primary, primarily North America. And that's literally what it looks like. When you Google it on Wikipedia, which we know is sometimes like not very valid. That's what it looks like. Okay. So that is what it is. And that was me sitting on my porch drinking a Coke

with nugget ice watching them. I was like, I'm literally not leaving the spot. Like I'm going to sit there and watch them remove all of this. So if they don't remove something, I can be like, hey, you missed it. You missed a spot. You missed a spot. Wait. I'm managing. I cannot.

Well, because Kristen tried to call so many times. And I'm just like- No, I understand and you pay for the service. So it's not, you don't want them to have to come back or you know, whatever. I get it. Trust me, I do. Meanwhile, I'm like, they're out here running bushwhackers and or weedwhackers, whatever you call them. And I'm just like, obviously that's why they're not

answering the phone. Like they can't hear it. They can't hear it. And it's like, haven't you seen them? They most of the time walk around with like little clips. Like they've got like next tell or something like- Oh, like the chirp, the chirps. Yeah. Like shawty chirp, a chirp back or whatever.

They've got that. And I'm just like, okay. Well, obviously they aren't answering it. But I was really glad that that got taken care of last week so that I can focus on other things. Cause at Kudzu, I was afraid it was going to take over my entire house. It was bad. Lots of people had also asked me on Instagram,

like why Jackson was starting school in July. I just want to say- I just saw that and I was about to say, I did not know that today was his first day of school. Yeah. So pretty much what happens is we're scammed. So going back on August 1st feels like we're still missing out on summer because every place in the North goes back after Labor Day.

I know that when my parents were growing up, they all went back to school like after Labor Day. But I guess because we get out a month earlier than y'all, that's why we go back so early, but I'm not going to lie. Like I feel so much more functional when we have a schedule and know what's going on. Jackson, I know that he is accounted for for seven hours of the day.

And I'm like, okay, I have this amount of time to take care of what I need to take care of. It just seems like mass chaos by the time you get at the end of the summer, it's just like, okay, everybody needs to go back to like their own schedule, do our own thing. But yesterday, I was on my way back home from Nashville and I text Will because he's like the ultimate worst planner.

Like if, I don't even think he knows what the word plan means. But yeah, I text him and was like, hey, do you want to be there for Jackson's first day of school? Don't know if you do, if you do, like let me know. And he's like, duh, like what's the plan as if I was just supposed to be a mind reader, right? And I'm like, well, you know,

duh works when I was married to you, but like it does not work anymore. So you dying me, really not getting anywhere. So just like show up and we're leaving the house at 7.05. So like get with it, get with the times. So he came in, brought Jackson donuts, harassed him while he was in the shower. They got into a pissing match in my kitchen

and it kind of felt like we were married for five minutes of this morning. Right. Took pictures outside. I loved seeing dads take pictures and like the angles that they get. Like it's a really funny look. First year ever that I kind of surrendered

and was like, you know what Jackson, you don't have to get dressed up on the first day of school. If you want to wear those shorts that have stains on it from Chick-fil-A sauce and that jersey that's two sizes too big and those shoes that don't match. Knock yourself out, baby. Like you're the one going to school wearing that.

If you're so happy, I'm so happy. It just really felt good to be in a place that I was not in last year. I feel like I've relinquished a bit of control in my life throughout the last year. Being able to do that with Will amicably and kind of go on about our own way. He was able to come into my home,

do all of that stuff and just be normal. It felt really good. And I'm like, you know what, we made it. Like we still don't have everything figured out but like it's a small wins, right? Right. No, a hundred percent. And I love that you let Jackson dress himself

because I let my kids dress themselves all the time, obviously, except for Creed. And the outfits they put on are absolutely outrageous but they're happy and I don't think anyone else really gives a shit. At all. Like not one single shit. So I love that you said so.

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and then we're gonna do foul play. And I wanna know what your thoughts are on this. So if you had a boyfriend, would you have male friends? I would. You've just got to know how to have boundaries with friends. I'm not gonna be coming in with friends, calls to basically. If your man said, I'm uncomfortable you having male friends, then you lost me, we're together forever,

we're about to have a child, we're about to get married, stop talking to the mom, stop crying. I'm even comfortable with not that, because now it's a control issue. That's not only if you're insecure, but I have no friends. That's a lie. That's a lie.

It's a lie. It's a lie. I don't think that's a lie. It's a lie. It's a lie. It's a lie. Oh. Thoughts?

Ah, that one's tough. You're like, that hits somewhere. Because I don't know what relationship it hits you in, but like. Yeah, like I've definitely been in that situation before and I, mainly when I was younger, because now I just don't give a shit. I don't have the time for bullshit at this point.

I'm going to leave if I don't like something and it's talked about and it doesn't get rectified and the same should go for my partner. But that one's really tough because I don't know. Like what would, I don't know. I don't know. I do not know. I kind of feel like a hypocrite a little bit.

I keep saying I'm a hypocrite. So basically I just am, but I trust myself and I think that I have trust issues with other people. So like, I know I'm not doing something wrong, but I can't be for sure that they're not. But then at the same time, it's like, you can't have a double standard in a relationship. Like what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

But also you can't, you can't, if you don't trust them, you shouldn't be with them. Now I don't know. I think there's, I think it's okay to have friendships and relationships with the opposite sex, but with boundaries maybe. Maybe you're not alone with that person. I don't know.

But it's like, what is the history of the friendship? I don't know. What is the dynamic? Have you met them before? I don't know. Like that one is so easy. There's a lot of things at play, right? I feel like if you have dated or had sexual encounters

with that person and you are in a new committed relationship and you value that committed relationship that you're in, then immediately that should be a boundary that should not even have to be discussed. You just like, don't do that. I think that it's healthy to have relationships with people of the opposite sex. I think that is healthy.

I think that it speaks to your level of trust with another person if you feel like they can't do that. I will also say that I saw, I think it was a TikTok and it was talking about women and men. And if, you know, this could be applicable really to same sex, women and men, whatever. But like, if you are in a relationship and you hold your partner hostage to the point

that they don't have an opportunity to mess up, is that loyal or is that controlled? That's controlled. If you are in a relationship with someone and you allow, and I say allow like loosely, but like they are able to go out, mix, mingle with people, whatever, opposite sex with other friends, without you being present

and they still are loyal to you, that's a true indicator that their loyalty lies with you, like not when you are controlling every aspect of that relationship and not giving them an opportunity to mess up. I agree, I agree with you. I think the controlling thing, I've definitely been in that situation

like when I was younger, but now I just don't, it's just not a thing for me. But if like, the hot neighbor would go just like hang out with some random girl that I've never met, I would be like, what the fuck? Yeah, I mean, that would be weird, right? Like, what's the basis of that friendship? Like, I think that those are valid questions

to be like, okay, wait, and are they hanging out with that person individually? Because then I also think that there's like a level of inappropriate there, like why are you doing that? But I think in group settings, like being around, you know, opposite sex, whatever, to me, I don't think that's an issue as long as everybody is respecting boundaries.

Agreed, I agree with you. I had other tech talks, but unfortunately, we're gonna have to save those for our bonus episode for this month. I think, Chris and it airs Monday. It airs Monday. So we'll be moving that stuff to that episode and that episode's gonna be structured

a little different than we have done in the past. So you guys just stay tuned to that. It's not all going to be just true crime. Like it basically is, but like also not. It's basically our crime. I need to know updates on what people are watching right now. I know I have that Hulu thing to check out. Like, I think it was like innocent or not,

whatever, I forget what it was called, but like I'm gonna check that out. Most hated man on the internet, I really wanna watch. Okay, that's a good one, because somebody sent me, I say somebody like multiple people sent me message to watch that. So I'm gonna put that on my watch list and let you guys know if we're planning on covering it.

But then right before we do foul play, I wanna ask what people's thoughts are on us doing cameo and also kill your thoughts. Cause I basically signed you up for it without even asking you. So. I've done cameo before. It was cool.

It was fine when I did my makeup, but when I didn't do my makeup, I was like, oh wow, if these end up on the internet, I'm gonna look crazy, but I try to be my authentic self. I have no problem with cameo. So whatever you wanna do, I'm down. So I know that Kristen and I chatted

in our Monday morning weekly chat this morning about it. And I think it would be so fun, I think to be able to do them together whenever we are traveling together and just doing an entire day of cameos would be really fun. But then also on the weeks that we're not together, which is like most of the time we can just do roulette.

So if you guys sign up to do a cameo, you can either request one of us probably or it'll just be like maybe Kale will do it if she's in the mood for that day or maybe I'll do it if I'm in the mood for that day. Would just love to know if you guys are interested, somebody sent me a message on Instagram and was like, if you and Kale did cameo,

I would literally piss myself. And I'm like, wow, I love that you guys find us that interesting and like that funny. I don't think I'm that cool, but thank you so much. Thank you for loving us. So yeah, get back to us on what you think about that and foul play. Okay, are you ready?

When my now husband then boyfriend started dating 10 years ago, I got endless UTIs. One UTI got so bad, it started to turn into a kidney infection, not fun. Fast forward to me having a dream sleeping next to my then boyfriend. It was as vivid as day. I was sitting on the toilet peeing.

I woke up mid dream actually peeing. I was horrified and didn't know what to do. As I wake up and realize what's happening, his freaking alarm started going off. He then rolled over to kiss me goodbye before he went to work. I had to do a quick leg and arm extend to keep him from getting closer.

He's confused wondering what is going on. He ended up leaving for work and I've never booked it faster to the laundry room for the sheets and then had to scrub the mattress. So embarrassing. Wait, so I think some people are more like prone to UTIs than others.

I know like when I was a little girl that I used to get them and I don't know what show I talked about it on but like my parents told me that if you held your pee you'd get a UTI or a bladder infection. Yeah, and so I always like my grandparents would always take my brother and I to like Mississippi to Gamble

and I would get on the road and be terrified and immediately have to make 12 stops to piss. And I do know I have had a friend that had a UTI so bad that it did turn into a kidney infection and ended up having to be hospitalized. And it's just like not, it's not a fun thing but I will say with a UTI,

I'm a big advocate for getting the actual antibiotics for it instead of using like the over the counter stuff because I just don't think, I think it like probably in my opinion mask the issues. Yeah, I had one really bad UTI. I don't typically get UTIs at all. Knock on wood. I haven't had one in probably 10 years

but I had one that was really bad and I needed antibiotics. And I now I always will pee after sex always because I don't know if that's what it's from. Most likely. Yeah, so and I don't really know what they come from but I haven't had one but it was really bad. It was so uncomfortable.

It was awful. And I don't really think that like cranberry pills and shit work. I don't think that's real. I think like those ones that turn, I don't know what they're called but they're like the ones that turn your pee orange or whatever.

I think that those really just like mask the issue. I'm just not a fan. I'm just like, wait, go to the doctor. Natalie and Kaden are outside my office door and Kaden come in, what's going on? Natalie put a full, what's going on? This is a foul play. No, this is a fucking foul play

because it was like everywhere. You're lying. Wait, I have to take a picture. Wait, is this a real foul play in the moment of foul play? She's saying, they're saying that one of the kids must have clogged the toilet and didn't, they did clog the toilet and didn't tell anyone. Shit everywhere.

What do you mean? Wait, what, wait, wait on the floor? You're lying. What bathroom? I don't even want to. Lincoln shit so bad that he has clogged the toilet and got it everywhere. I am not okay.

Kale, are you going to check out and investigate the shit? I have to go. Oh, I cleaned it already. I mean, the midst of the floor now, I couldn't take it anymore. Is it in the grout? Oh. Because I flushed it.

Ask Natalie if she was gagging when this was going on. Lindsay wants to know if you were gagging. Yes, she was like about to die. She had across her legs so she wouldn't pee and she was gagging. You saw it? Did you take a picture? No, I was begging Blackpink.

I'm disgusted. I didn't smell it so it wasn't the right one. No, I'm too disgusted because when you kick, I open the door outside. I have to call Lincoln right now. I need to know how long it's been. You're calling him right the second? Yeah, I'm going to call him right now.

Wait, put him on speaker. Watch, he's going to, he's screening your calls. He knows. He's not going to answer for me right now. Lincoln, Lincoln, did you have diarrhea in your bathroom? No. Hello, sir. Did you have diarrhea in the bathroom and it overflowed?

In my? Yes. In my? He hung up. But I don't think it was him. So it had to have been the other one. My cat is up on the shelf. OK, I got to go, you guys.

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