Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Your Kid isn't your BFF

Episode Date: January 11, 2024

CC327: Lindsie is wondering if Kail's new book obsession is just a phase while Kail imagines having book decor. 2024 is NOT starting off right for Kail.. she shares the recent health scare with one of the children. Lindsie scares herself and Kail with a possible Frogging situation, and Kail is very concerned with parents calling their kids their BFFs. And speaking of parenting, Lindsie talks about parenting 100% of the time even with splitting time. An update on Cher's conservatorship petition, thoughts on the Natalie Grace docu-series, and this week's Foul Play has us clutching our imaginary penis. Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more! Thank you to our sponsors! Care/of: Visit TakeCareOf.com and enter code COFFEE50 for 50% off your first orderChime: Get started at chime.com/convosExpressVPN: For three extra months free visit ExpressVPN.com/KAILIQBar: Get 20% off all IQBar product plus free shipping when you text CONVOS to 64-000. By Texting 64000, you agree to receive recurring automated marketing messages from IQBAR. Message and data rates may apply. No purchase required. Terms apply, available at IQBAR.com. Reply "STOP" to stop, "HELP" for helpProgressive: Visit progressive.com to learn more

I hate gift giving and receiving receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you. This is coffee convos with kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels kale. That does not interest me whatsoever I feel very attacked by you a spirit and discussion about motherhood friendship family and life in the public eye I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's kale and Lindsay There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsay. Oh my God. She's like, I don't fucking feel like dealing with these people. We were just talking good morning coffee combos.

Happy Thursday. It's weird for you to say good morning coffee combo. It is. It is weird. I was switching it up a little bit, but we were just talking about our favorite flavor of a Lani's. I have an overstock of the witches brew, but Lindsay's drinking one of my favorites

and I do love the peach, but Lindsay said she hates the peach. Cosmic Stardust, that's in my top three. Someone sent me a message and said, you need to stock up on all the mimosa ones because they're discontinuing that flavor. And I'm like, why? I feel like it's the most neutral flavor ever.

Why did they do that shit? That's a great question. I also have my hand in. Does anyone else like love peaches as like a fruit? Like I love it cut up. The next thing I'm going to say, you're going to think I'm a psychopath, but I feel like a lot of people from the South do this. Put salt on your fruit. Oh, that's also a lot of Hispanic people do that because They do? Yeah. Javi's family, Javi's mom taught Lincoln to put salt on his watermelon.

Watermelon. Yeah. It's the best. It's so good. So I put salt. I love like a salted peach or a salted piece of watermelon, but I do not love any type of imitation peach flavor anything or watermelon flavored anything. Interesting.

That's really interesting to me. And growing up, I used to love to get watermelon gum. And I don't know if that might, if my grandmother hating the smell of watermelon gum, we weren't allowed to eat it. I don't know if that just like turned me off from it or not. Was there anything that you weren't like allowed to eat when you were growing up because of the smell? No, my mom wasn't around enough. Like we weren't allowed to eat like bananas

in the car because they smell like total ass. Any person that and and truly you are a psychopath. If you are driving down the road and you're eating a banana and I see you. That is crazy that you brought that up because all of my kids, all four of them that I go to that are school aged Eight bananas in the car this morning all four of them did it not smell rank. I didn't even think about it I didn't think I didn't mean well now you're going to when they open the next time Creed actually left his banana peel in my car So I'm gonna have to check when I got this recording my stepdad used to Take bananas and barbecue chips in the car and we would go on road trips

and this man would pull that shit out. No. Like, why are you in here with that? The barbecue chips is a thing that I feel like maybe should be left, you know, to the rest stop. Like when you get out of the car, stretch your legs, eat a bag of barbecue chips, like outside of the vehicle. I can, I can get behind that one.

It smells so bad. Bags of chips, specifically original Lays, smells like a fart when you open it. You know what? It's probably all the chemicals, but Isaac loves Lays. Isaac is a classic yellow bag of Lays stand. Did I tell you about the time that I went on an airplane and brought a bag of chips on the plane with me and it exploded?

I don't think so. And it sounded like a gunshot. And I was like, I swear to God, like I do not have a gun. You're like, I have no weapons on me at this point. I have no weapons on me. It's just a bag of original lays. I'm so sorry. I do not know how this happened.

I guess the pressure from the air cabin is what causes it. I also need to tell you that I feel like Target just blew up on me. Like everything that I'm currently wearing is Target. So just call me Target, girly. Just call me Amazon because literally the sweaters from Amazon, my army pants. You and I have the same one. Yeah. My army pants that I'm wearing right now are from Amazon. And when we got on this recording, you asked me what I was listening to. And I was listening to the soundtrack of Mean

Girls because my hair is thought of when you said army pants. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just so funny that I have army pants on. So Taylor, as you know who she is, she does my hair and at her salon, she's the one that got me into Frida's books, the books that I was talking about in the last episode, who the hell's Frida? Frida McFadden is a fantastic like thriller suspense. Is that what we were talking about last week? Yeah, she's like the Colleen Hoover,

but a thriller and suspense book. She's fantastic. So she got me into Frida and and into the Goodreads app, right? So I go into her salon and she has a little library on her shelf in her salon and she calls it Gems Library because her salon is called Gem Beauty Co.

So she was like, I was like, she has a library. I want a library, I want a library. So at home, I created a little library, Elijah set it up for me, and I told Taylor that I did this, and she said, I saw Katie with hair and wearing army pants and flip-flops, so I bought army pants and flip-flops.

So I took a little video of my home library and I tagged her to it and I put the soundtrack of Mean Girls on there. But I have an update. I'm reading Ward D, which is a freedom McFadden book. I'm gonna Taylor and I are gonna read all of Frida's books this year. So I'm about 60 pages in. I just you know, I it's very few and far between and I can get reading sessions in. I probably would have finished this already if I didn't have. Goodbye reading sessions. I can't. No, okay, I have so many questions from this. Number

one, I have read some books. When I went through my divorce, I don't know if you remember this, but I tried to become a reading girl because I was like, I need to just like stay off the internet. Nothing's coming of this. Like I don't really like what everybody's writing. So for that reason alone, I'm just going to read. So I got these books. I made it through like four books. They sat on my bedside table for all the way up until maybe the summertime, like when I started like going through my purge whenever that was. I don't understand why people keep books.

Like if you read it, I'm, I don't know, like, are we reading it again? No, listen to me. Listen to me. No, we're not reading them again. If the, but the money that I would pay to reread, never lie. The money that I would pay to reread that book for the first time. Let me tell you something. No, I'm not reading them again. And no, I'm not lending them out. Don't ask me to borrow my books because you're not getting one. But I know

every single book in my collection and let me tell you something I asked me to borrow my books. I lost my copy of Never Lie. I accidentally bought a second copy. But before I lost it, had people message me their addresses was randomly going to send like a random person, whoever typed in their address, the second copy. Why did I lose my original copy? Why did I lose it? I don't know why I'm here. Did you take notes in it? Like what, what special? I just need it for my collection. I need just like my crystal collection is sitting in front of my face. It's just about to talk about your crystal collection. I was like

this book situation that you're going through currently very much to me sounds like your crystal situation when you got into spending god awful amounts of money and you got so upset when people called them your rocks. Yeah. And there's their the case is clear. I have like a little display case. It's directly in front of me in my office now. I love it. I don't touch it. We keep it right where it's at. My book. So anyway, Isaac found my Christian just messaged us and said it's called hyper fixation. Say it with me. But that is true. That's like them. Okay, that is like the mermaid saga that kill went through. Yeah, the crystal saga. And now it's this book situation. I will say the

healthiest thing is the book situation. Like I don't love it. Because I don't want to do it. But it's super healthy. Well, I'm hoping that this is one that I maintain for a lifetime. Like I'm because it's healthy and I know it is. And I feel like I'm going to be able to expand my vocabulary and be, have better words, say, um, less, and do my job.

You know what I mean? You won't be saying addicted anymore. I will not be pronouncing indicted as indicted. Like you heard it here first. I love it. I fucking love it. Okay. The thing about the library though.

You said that you read how many books between the end of 2023 and the beginning of this year? Oh, um, four? Okay. So that's four. I was in one months. I read four in one month. That's four dust collectors. But I think you're going to keep adding to that. At what point do you start purging from that? You don't, you're going to run out of space though. No, not because I'm going to have there is a, if you get on Pinterest, if you get on Instagram,

there is a whole aesthetic called the library aesthetic bookcase aesthetic. And there's like homes that are designed and planned to have full libraries in them. Like that is the decor, that is the aesthetic. Yeah, but who's dusting them? Not me. I know, that's what I'm saying. Like, what the heck are you doing? Not me. Um, you know what, we're just we're gonna live, we're gonna thrive, we're gonna see how it

goes. And you know, if at some point, the thing is that I'm not gonna ever get rid of them or purge them just like my crystals, like I've never gotten rid of them or purge them. So at this point, whatever's in my collection, I'm not gonna ever get rid of them or purge them, just like my crystals, like I've never gotten rid of them or purge them. So at this point, whatever's in my collection, I'm gonna finish reading. I'm not gonna buy any more until I finish them. But we'll see how it goes. Like we'll see what happens next.

I love this for you. It's a new journey in life. I really love it. I need to find some healthy things to do because I just, you know, like I was saying, the year didn't really start off the way that I was expecting that it was going to start off. And I'm just thinking I'm entering a selfish girl era of I'm just going to take care of me and my child and I don't give a fuck about the rest.

Can I tell you what I just went through this week? Yes. So on Sunday, I get a call from the public, the Department of Public Health, letting me know that Rio was exposed to a certain virus, not COVID, at the hospital that implanted his tubes, okay? He had his tubes put in on December 29. And I didn't get a call until the

seventh saying that he was exposed to this virus. And that I said, well, and they said that he needed to isolate until January 19. Wait, what? Yes. I shit you not. So I said, what in the fuck am I gonna do? What the fuck am I going to do? What the fuck am I going to do because I have kids and he's been, you know, with my other children and I told, I don't know if they're like an officer or like an officer of the department of public, whatever this person was called. I said, well, that's impossible because I have all these other children and he has in fact already been in contact with these other children.

Like what do I do? So I start freaking out and I feel like because you know once your mind starts playing these fucking games with you, you're like, oh, he has the symptoms. So I'm like, okay, let me take you into the, so I have to call this woman back. I'm on, first of all, the way the entire thing was handled by this woman was absolutely insane from, from knowing that she, she knew because let me tell you how she knew days before she called me. I have another person handle it last night with me with everything going over everything for the week. And he tells me, so you've been talking to my colleague

for the past couple of days. I said, no, I said, I've only heard from her just one day. I said, so if you guys knew about this and didn't call me, this is the first time hearing of it. Like this is all like a fucking disaster, right? Oh my God. Have to keep Lux and Creed home from school, which then I have to explain it to the other parent. And that's always not a great time. Elijah has to call work,

like we can't have childcare here, all of these things. And long story short, so I start seeing symptoms or I think I start seeing symptoms. So I have to call this woman back after hours, mind you. It's not during normal regular business hours because it's after, it's like 7pm. And she's like, okay, you're gonna go to this hospital, not this hospital, but this hospital, you're gonna call there when you get in the parking lot, you're gonna ask for this person. They're not gonna let you in the hospital the regular way, you're gonna go get in the parking lot, you're going to ask for this person. They're not going to let you in the hospital the regular way.

You're going to go in through a back way. You're going to go to an isolation room where they're going to do the testing. Basically, what she made it sound like was I was going to literally go get the test and leave because of how highly contagious this virus was. I said, OK, well, I do all of that. We end up being there for hours.

Like not a couple hours. Hours for a test? Hours, because they want to monitor symptoms. They want to do this. They want to do that. We end up being there for hours, like not a couple hours. Hours for a test? Hours, because they want to monitor symptoms. They want to do this. They want to do that. The doctor looks me dead in my face and says, yeah, unfortunately, this does look like a positive case of XYZ. I said, okay, so now I'm shitting my pants because my child has already been around people and this office, the public, the Department of Public Health hasn't told me and this literally came from a hospital. Not only that, but one of the health workers at that

hospital was like, so you guys got this out of state? And I said, absolutely not. I said, this exposure happened at another hospital, which is up north. And he said, oh, he was like, they told us that this came from out of state. And I said the fact that- Why are they out there lying? So I called the woman back again and it's like 10pm and she's like, no, he misunderstood me. The other person came from out of state, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Long story short, I get the results yesterday. He is negative. He's negative.

Perfect. So my other kids can go back to school. I was like, well, in order for me to send them back to school, I'm not sending them back to school until you guys provide a note that explains this entire situation because I'm not going to be out here spreading some disease that I didn't know about, you know what I mean? So I, they ended up emailing this stuff for both my kids' school and for Elijah's work and everything else,

but I'm like, you have got to be fucking kidding me. Even though he's negative, he still has to quarantine. So anyways, it's just been a fucking nightmare between pink eye, strep, this scare. And then some other things that I've been dealing with are have been an absolute nightmare. So I rough start to 2024. Coffee Combos podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Most of you listening right now are probably multitasking. So while you're listening to us talk,

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I can pull that car into the garage in the same way that I had it in there before, go to put my garage door down last night and it catches on my tire on the back. And I'm like, oh, shit. So it's pouring down rain. It's windy as hell. And I'm like, you know what?

I'm not getting back in the car. If someone robs me, then they rob me. But it is what it is. I'm not going to risk the chance of wrecking into my closet because that'll be another issue. So I'm just going to leave it. I go to bed, start hearing this God awful noise. And I'm like, what the hell is it? Woke me up. It was so loud. I was like, okay, what is that? Sounded like almost like a trash can. So I was like, okay, maybe the people that live next to me have the trash can like on the side of the house And there's like cats or something in it. No this continues

Oh, all animals you say cats not raccoons not anything that's like feral or like wild you say cats I feel like cats very much get into trash cans. I mean maybe so I'm like trash cans. I mean, maybe. So I'm like, what is that? And it just keeps going and keeps going. Then I start hearing it at my window with my bedroom. And I'm like, okay, now somebody's fucking with me. Like somebody's over here fucking with me. This, this is really scary. I heard it one other time Trent was here. Jackson was here. It was just us three here. And Trent checked out everything. Like he went outside, he looked around the perimeter of the house, he went upstairs in the attic

to see if there was anything feral up there, nothing. So now I'm convinced that it's an armadillo. And someone sent me a message and was like, I know that you live in this county and there have been a ton of reports of armadillos around and I'm like how does it make that much noise? Like is it is its body like that fucking hard? First of all, I didn't know that armadillos were up like this area. Second of all, my first thought went to a frogger. What's that? A frogger is a person that stays in your home that you don't know about.

Wait, what? So isn't that a squatter? Yes, some of them are squatters, some of them are harmless and some of them are murderers. It really just depends on what kind of frogger you get. There's a show on Hulu Kristen text me out of the blue the one day, I was like, you need to watch this fucking show. And I was a little apprehensive because I'm like frogging, like what the fuck? Like that doesn't sound interesting to me. Lo and behold, it's all these stories of people finding out

that people live in their homes and they know by things like what you're describing. They find out because they start hearing weird noises or they swear they put something somewhere and then it's gone or they see that their food is missing and it ends up being a frogger. So maybe you don't have armadillo, maybe you have froggers. Okay, so now you're creeping me out because Jackson, this was like months ago. He told his babysitter, he was like, I hear somebody walking in that room over there. And she's like, no, Jackson, like you're just freaking yourself out. There's nobody walking in the room. I get home, went to go run errands. I get home

and they're both standing downstairs in the kitchen scared shitless. And they're like, there really is like walking up there. And I'm like, y'all, nobody's walking here. Like it could be a rat, it could be something, but let me go and investigate. No, Lindsay, you don't hear what you don't hear rats walking. Yeah, they have toes. But I know, but you don't hear them. Okay. Well, maybe they just were confused. In my mind, they're just confused with the noise.

And it was my opinion that they were confusing whatever noise this was with walking. It's kind of like when you're five years old and you're sleeping in your bed alone and you've thrown like a jacket over a chair and you make it seem like it's a monster, but it's not really that, it's just like in your brain. That's what I thought that this was. Okay.

So I go and check out all the spaces upstairs, like all the storage spaces, the bedrooms, nothing. Two weeks ago, maybe it's been less than two weeks ago, Trent and I heard this noise at night. Jackson came downstairs running and he was like, something's up here, something's up here. Now I heard it again last night when I was at home by myself and I ain't going to lie

to you, honey. I sat up in my bed and bitch, I was like this, sit in my bed. First of all, you're better than me because if that were to happen, I don't wanna see them. Like if I get like, if someone, I don't wanna see, I don't wanna know, like, cause I'm scared of knowing them.

No, my papa always told us growing up. He said, if anybody, if you ever have an intruder, you don't go find them, you let them come find you and you better have a weapon when they do. We really why? Yeah. Why? Why let them know? I don't know. He always said like, you don't know where they're coming from, but you know where you are. So you can be better prepared in the event that there's an intruder, like you stay where you are. You let them find you. And so I never will go look around. Like if I'm by myself, I'm like, Hey, motherfucker, do not kill me. I got this. And I hate when people are like, hello,

they're not going to tell you where that they're there. They're not they're not saying what you hate when people say what, like, if there's an intruder or they think there's an intruder, like, and they're like, Hello, nobody is telling you nobody is announcing their presence, their presence is just there. Why are we talking? Yes. Why the fuck are you talking? Yes. No, when I first moved here, I had really like never spent the night by myself because if I wasn't With will at home. I was like at my parents house. So I was never just like on a lone girly So when I was just staying here with Jackson by myself, I convinced myself that I heard all kinds of shit. Oh yeah, as we do, our minds will pay tricks on us.

And he was still co-sleeping with me at that time. And I would say, do you hear that? And he's like, mom, stop, you're freaking me out. What, you can't do that to him? I'm like, no, but like, do you hear that? And then he'll start talking and I'm like, hey, shut the fuck up, stop talking. They're going to hear us. Like, Luxo coastal, he'll climb into my bed and he will have the audacity not to ask me if

I hear anything, but to tell me to snubs to stop snoring in my own bed. So, um, okay. Well, so that was, that was my night yesterday evening. And I think I also have my aunt situation under control. I'm just briefly going to say this, I need to know if anybody has ever had aunts coming from their dishwasher. And how do you really get rid of them? Because I feel like I have now located the, I don't know, the trail of like where it's coming from. And I believe it's always been coming from that area. I just never found it before. But when I tell you, it was a colony when I opened that bitch up.

It was like in the bottom, it was like a colony of ants. And I was like, okay, now I found y'all. I wonder if it would be helpful for you to wash an empty dishwasher with vinegar. I don't know. Someone tell me what to do. I now know also that I will not be putting any food in my dishwasher that has any food particles on it.

Any dishes that have food particles? Yeah, any dishes that have food particles on it. Like I will not be doing that. I'm not like a thorough thorough washer. Whenever I use the dishwasher, it's like, I rinse off as much as I can, then I put in there. Some people wash completely, then put it in there. Who are you? I say literally had this conversation with me yesterday because he pulled glasses out that like weren't

all the way clean and he's like ew and I was like then wash them like I'm not you're gonna leave it in here even though you know it's dirty you're gonna leave it in the cab because somebody wants to put it and when I say dirty I'm talking because my Isaac is a gerobofo little like a normal person to with the naked eye could not spot these like little imperfections. He's like, what is the purpose of a dishwasher? And I'm like, oh my God, most people, I would say some people use it just to sanitize, like not even to wash just to sanitize. I used to be that girly.

Like I used to wash everything hand wash in the sink and then put it in the dishwasher. Now I don't really have time for that shit. I'm just like, you know what? Whatever happens happens. You're like, fuck it. So I do want to talk to you about this thing that's kind of been bothering me on social media. Oh, wow, OK.

Part of the reason why I need to continue my reading journey and stay off social media a little bit more. Parents posting saying that their kids are their best friends. Like they're small children. Not their teenage kids, not their college age children, but like they're small children. And that bothers me and I just, and it shouldn't. It's one of those like things that if you don't like it, keep scrolling kind of thing.

And I do, I do keep scrolling. And I'm sure that I've called my kids, they're like my best friend before, but more so like Isaac and I are becoming friends because he's a teenager, he's about to be 14, we're becoming friends, but I'm always a parent first. Like I would never sit there and like religiously call my children best friends, right?

Like I wouldn't ever, like they're not my best friends. They're not. The parenting is not a friendship journey. Like yeah, when they're adults and they're, you know, teenagers, okay, fine. The relationship changes. But to call like your little children best friends. Yeah. It irks you.

Yeah. It gives you the ick. Yeah. Because what, what about the misery? like you. Yeah, you like hanging out with them and you like doing things with them and you like being a parent, you like parenting them. You like spending time with them, but they're not your friend. That is not what parenting is.

My parents always told us when we were growing up, they were like there'll be a time and a place for a friendship and life. Yes. But right now that ain't it. It's my job. You were placed here as my child and I was placed here as your parent and it is my job to parent you not to be your best friend.

So you're probably not going to like me for a long period of life. And then once you're grown, that relationship will evolve. Right. Real parents were like that as well. It goes, for me, I'm only speaking for myself when I say this, it kind of goes hand in hand with the whole like situation on the, I'll call it like an epidemic really,

of teachers on every inch of TikTok and Instagram on the, I'll call it like an epidemic really, of teachers on every inch of TikTok and Instagram talking about how kids are not reading. Because you guys are treating these kids like they're your friends. You're more worried about doing the fun things and being friends with your small children than you are about reading to them,

making sure they're reading, you know, things like that. And I just feel like it goes, like you're more worried about going on target shopping and target halls than you are with reading your child the books that they have at Target. You know what I'm saying? So I just feel like this whole phenomenon of like, my broke, my little broke best friend or like, you know,

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So it's like not crunchy, but scrunchy for like. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I very much allow him to have choices. And, you know, as long as you've done what you're supposed to do, how you choose to spend your time, I'm gonna leave that up to you.

Like if you wanna come and watch a movie with me on a rainy day, that's fine. But if your friends are playing a game and you guys are all on the phone having a good time, I'm not going to dictate how you have to spend your time as long as you're reminding and doing all the things that you're supposed to be doing. So this person that had, remember last week when we had the conversation about this person having an issue with my boundaries and attacked therapy. So this same person, I was having a conversation about parenting and I said, well, I've been

parenting for a lot longer than you. And I was younger when I started parenting. And in the grand scheme of things, Jackson's 11 years old, so he really only has like eight more years in school. And then I'll be done with this part. So like I feel like I am a little bit more versed than where you've arrived. And there has to be boundaries in life with everything. Like for me, if Jackson's getting up at 7am and I've entertained that child until 9pm,

it's now time for you to go to bed. Like you are not an adult. You are not going to conduct yourself as an adult. If there are multiple adults in this home, we are allowed to have adult time outside of being parents. I parented you all fucking day. I no longer need to parent you at this time because your eyes should be in the back of your head. Okay. I don't believe in letting kids just run rogue and run a fucking house. But I just I feel like some of the parents

that are doing that are the ones that are calling their friends. That's right. Like that's where I'm getting at. It's like they are not your friends. I love that you love them that much and I equally love my child, but at the same time, there are proper boundaries that are set on that relationship. He can know that he can come to me as a friend for advice or whatever that looks like. I'm probably going gonna meet him more as I would advise my friend if they came to me for advice.

But my job is to be your parent. Yeah. My job is to create a schedule for you and to allow you to understand that there are boundaries with everything in life and you gonna have a bedtime. Yeah, I mean. You go into bed.

There's, there is like a, there's a way to do both, right? Like there's a way to be to have your boundaries to have them as you say, mind, you know, do what they have to do and still be a cool mom, but you're still not a you're still not friends. Like, I'm sorry. And there may be people who disagree with me when I say that, but we're not here to be friends with our small children. And please, for the people who listen to this podcast, do not hang on the words that you want to hear. I'm saying small children. I'm not saying your teenagers who are doing all the

things that they're supposed to be doing, who are, you know, they're starting to grow into who they're going to be. I'm not talking about them. I'm not talking about those people. I'm talking about, and those kids, I'm talking about small children. Stop calling your, your six year old, your seven year old, your best, like your best. No, stop. Bitch, they're not your best friend. Like I'm here to tell you, if your friends are, if your kids are considered your best friends, that means you need to find some. Yeah.

I would agree with that. I would agree with that too. Do you believe that, okay, let's say because you are also co-parenting. So regardless of me having 50% of time, will having 50% of time, you have the same situation with your boys. Just because I have 50% of the time does not mean that that changes my parenting style because I have 50% of the time and I'm not going to have that other time anyway. So that doesn't mean that I'm going to negate parenting altogether and let

it be a free for all because I only have 50% of the time. No, you are going to do the same things that I would expect if you were with me 100% of the time. I just said that to Isaac yesterday, because when he came home, I wanted to go over his grades. And I do keep a mental note about the dates that I see certain grades come in and I do see who's weak it is and I do, because I know that a parenting style over there is a little different.

And I said, did you do your math after school stuff? And he was like, no, my dad didn't tell me to. I said, but you know, you need to do that. You don't, you're, you know, you're about to be 14 next week. Like you don't need your dad to tell you those things. And on that, like, yes, I remind him daily over here, but I do understand where Joe's coming from over there, that he doesn't feel like he needs to hold Isaac's hand in that in that regard And I could agree with that to a certain degree

But I said but you know you need to do those things and so I do still expect you to do those things when you're over there So I mean there Yes, you are coming into your own person You're gonna do things the way that you want to do and I get that I'm a lot I love that I you can express yourself and do all of these things, but you still need to do what you need to do and I get that. I love that you can express yourself and do all of these things, but you still need to do what you need to do. Well, so some people, from my understanding, feel that because they only have their kids 50% of the time, that that means life is just free for all. No, yes. Why have dealt with that myself? And it's just, Javi and I don't operate that way.

Javi and I just don't. And so that has been the standard for me to what you're describing is like, even not on my weeks, you'll find me at games that are not on my weeks. I might pop into a practice that are not on my weeks. I am still gonna follow maybe email and see how things are going not on my weeks. Did, you know, maybe email and see how things are going on my weeks. Did, you know, Linkin do this, did Linkin do that?

Did Isaac do this? Did, you know, Lux and Creed do that? There are, to your point, there are so many parents that I know that even if it's like every other weekend thing, they won't go to the games on those weekends. Like they won't do anything child related on those weekends or that time,

which is so interesting to me. Like I still go to Jackson's basketball games, regardless if Will's taking him or if I'm taking him, doesn't matter. Still my child's still putting time in my schedule to do that. If I was still married to Will, I would be attending. So I don't know why I can't make my schedule work to where I can attend those things. Yeah.

But there are some people who co-parent doesn't have to be a 50-50 situation. I'm just saying because that's what I have, that's what you have. That certain people feel that because it's a 50-50 situation, it's one of two situations. Either they lack parenting because it's just a free for all because they feel like they only have their kids for 50% of the time not 100% of the time so they can do basically whatever the hell they want to do and then You have parents who completely check out 50% of the time I don't like either of those situations

Life's not a fucking free for all. So why are we acting like it is and why are you not present? Yeah? I mean, I will say that being with Elijah has definitely taught me a lot about the co-parenting and like the different situations because there are so many kids at this point, we have to divide and conquer so he can't be present for certain things. And then like the real getting his tubes and stuff like that, like we very much have to divide and conquer but but it's not because we want it that way. Does that make sense? Because that's the way it is. But yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I don't like it either. Just, I don't know, it sounds like we're judging, but I just, I can't understand it, I guess, is I would love to pick somebody's brain

about why they don't, they're not fully engaged 100% of the time, even when they don't have their kids. Does that make sense? Cause like I even check my email. So like say it's so Lux and Creed go to their dads the same weekends that Isaac and Lincoln are with their dads, right? So those Friday, Saturday, Sunday, those three days, I don't have any of those children. I'm still checking my email religiously. I'm not gonna bother Chris during that time because he only has every other weekend, so and the kids are fine, so I'm not gonna call,

but I am still checking my email in the event that Chris emails me, you know what I mean? So I just feel like, I guess I could check out Friday, Saturday, Sunday, every other weekend and have absolutely no responsibility to those kids, but like that's not. That's not reality. And I just don't think that that's the way your mind works to parent that way.

You know, it's like they're my kids a hundred percent of the time, even though I'm only truly parenting them 50% of the time. Yeah. Speaking of the situation before we got on this recording, I text Will and said, don't forget about the ortho at 250 today. He texted me back said, got it. He's going car rider today and he was and he and we're going straight from school. He has been talking a lot about how he isn't going to school tomorrow, but you need to shut that shit down ASAP. He's going to get braces. So I think he acts like, okay, this is a surgery.

Like I'm not going to school tomorrow. It's like Jackson will use any excuse in the book, ma'am, for why he is not attending school. Lux is the same way. Lux does not want to go to school. He wants to go to all the after school, he wants to go to wrestling, he wants to go to all the sports,

but he does not want to participate in school. You made a tell you, we should start a segment about lies that we tell our kids. Well, let's start for this morning. I told Creed that Starbucks was closed. So. Okay, great. I told Jackson that he can't participate in basketball games on the weekend if he doesn't attend school. Okay, that's fair though. Like what I always tell my kids and I've said it before, I'll say it again, do what you have to do so you can do what you want to do. And that's one of them. If you're not going to do your like job, which your job is school

right now, you're not going to do this extracurriculars. Like you're just not. Jackson's like, no, I can go to my basketball game and like shoot hoops and stuff. No, sir, because you couldn't go to math. and like shoot hoops and stuff. No, sir, because you couldn't go to math. So that's not how it works. And I remember when I was in school, I don't know about you, but you weren't eligible to participate in extracurricular activities if you weren't in attendance for school that day.

Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Or if it wasn't true, that's what all of our parents told us. Like if you were at school that day, if you skipped, I never was a school skipper though. Like I was more afraid of like the work that I would have to make up. Where like today I feel like parents are more, or at least I've seen, I don't know if this is true,

but like it seems like parents are more on the side of don't give kids homework kind of thing. And like if my kid was absent, they're not making up their, like they're more on the side of like, they're not doing this extra work if they weren't homework kind of thing and like my kid was absent. They're not making up there Like they're more on the side of like they're not doing this extra work if they weren't their kind of thing Where like back then like when we were in high school I or middle school even I did not want to miss because I was scared of having to make up the work And I didn't want to do that. I never miss either in fact will was having a heated conversation with Jackson About three weeks ago, and he was, your mom and I got perfect attendance awards.

Like that's something that you will never get. He was like, that's the easiest award to get. And that's something that you will never get because your ass does not want to go to school. But also mental health days, like you're a big advocate of mental health. I am. So again, but. Don't come, don't come to me and act like you need to have a mental health day

and then you upstairs on fortnight blowing people up. Because now you've earned your own mental health and mine too. Speaking of fortnight why do my kids play with Elijah's grandmother on fortnight? Wait Elijah's grandmother plays with her. Which essentially would be like my kids great grandmother. Jackson's going to probably start asking to join their party. Yeah. Well, that's all we, we should get that we should actually. That would be cool. I didn't even think of that. But yeah, I, Elijah like set up the game for them and he was like, Oh, so until I got his

hair name is on. And I said, your grandma. And he's like, yeah, she gets on with all the grandkids. But I said, you're a grandmother. That's so funny. Your mother's mother. And he's like, yeah. That is so funny. Listen, Fortnite and Nintendo cards, why do I feel like I need to budget for V-Bucks

and Nintendo cards? Like, shit's expensive. And like, Jackson has so many outfits on our skins. I think is what they call them. So many skins. And every week he comes to me and he's like, I need this new skin or like I want this new skin. And it's like, you know, this is the lesson that you're going to learn today, buddy. A need and a want. Your little Fortnite character has clothes, so he does not need a new outfit this week. So I'm not going to spend $19.99 on that outfit when your outfit's cheaper from Tarjay, okay?

Wait, they need to like make Fortnite kind of like the Sims where they could wash their outfits. Like you could have them do laundry so that you could just expose while they're playing the game because I would not know how to operate fortnight if Someone paid me to try to figure it out. I would have no idea me either me either and the talking and like

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declined to immediately put share son into the legal conservatorship that she is seeking and is opposing. And he is opposing, but the court will take up the issue again within weeks. but the court will take up the issue again within weeks. It says that the judge ruled that Shares Attorney had not given Elijah Blue, Alman, and his lawyers the necessary documents to give them sufficient time to make the case and schedule another hearing for January the 29th. So assuming that there will be a follow-up at that point.

It was also cited that Sheriff's Attorney's unwillingness to share material with his attorney was part of the problem. And the lawyer also had confidentiality concerns with the shared documents. So I just wonder what's in there. But if they proved that he could potentially be a threat to himself, like just that alone, I just don't, okay, I guess I, but I don't know.

It also has a quote in here that he said, while I understand that my mother, the proposed conservator, believes she is looking out for my best interest, I appreciate her loving support. I do not need her unsolicited help or support at this time. But do you, I don't know, share? Something weird about this because he had said in a court filing before the hearing

that the conservatorship wasn't necessary and acknowledged the fact that he struggled with addiction and irresponsible spending, but also stated he was under the care of a doctor and had been sober for more than three months attending AA meetings and is willing to submit to drug tests. See, that's where it just, I have mixed thoughts and feelings on it because I feel like, and I don't know, share obviously, but I feel like there are obviously concerns if she is raising this point and wanting to have the

conservatorship, but on the same token, it's like, yeah, he, he, of course, he's going to deny that there's not going to be a need for it, you know, but he's also admitted that there's been a spending problem. So I just, I have mixed feelings and I don't know at what point like the line gets crossed from not needing one to, you know, needing one. Like at what, the judge denies it immediately. Like where is the line where it's crossed into needing one? Well, I think the judge made the right decision by not granting it based off of not having enough information. I hate to see stuff granted in any court situation where both sides have not had equal amount of time to present facts.

Like you put somebody under a conservatorship, even though it could be temporary, if it's truly not necessary, and that person has an ulterior motive, not saying that's the case in this situation, but like do the research, gather the evidence, and then make a decision. So I'm glad to see that. And then another article came up and said that he had been missing. And they find him. So it says that he had gone missing amid her petition for the conservatorship over the finances and is currently avoiding contact with his mother.

See, but then that makes me think that he needed at least a temporary one while they get the information, you know, all lined up and squared away because we're talking about a grown man missing. Like what? Well, so it says that, it says the superstar also asserted that all men's wife who previously accused her of staging a kidnapping of her adult son and forcing him into rehab would take steps to prevent him from being made aware of the conservatorship hearing sex take place. This was January 5th. However, evidently, he was made aware because he countered the claims. But how do you just go like how does an adult just go missing? I will say that my mom went missing when I was a child. And

she also struggled with substance abuse. And it had been I remember clearest day I lived at 1225 West Street in Honestale, Pennsylvania. And she was missing for like three days. So it's very possible that you just go on a bender and you just you're fine, but you go on a bender. Okay, but what causes me to be concerned and to be skeptical of this situation and why I'm glad that it wasn't immediately granted is because he's married and his wife, he's been married to her for 10 years and she called the case deeply disturbing

and then accused Cher of a clear pattern of being habitually bulldozed over and over and repeatedly undermined throughout her marriage. And that was a statement that was issued by her rep. But what is Cher being bulldozed? What does that have to do? Cause she's not married now. No, I think, no, this is his wife.

Oh, his wife. His wife is making these statements that Cher showed a pattern of basically bulldozing and repeatedly undermining her. So I don't know, it's sticky at the point that your adult child is married. I just feel like that's a sticky situation when conservatorship or something like that's being involved because I agree. I agree with that. But this goes back to the conversation of it's probably her money. Yeah. So but also it's like, if it was for him, as his mom, that's

where it's just like, yeah, I mean, it is an adult, we're talking about an adult here, you did your job, your job, essential. But but then I also have heard that even you even as a parent of an adult child, or, you know, parenting an adult, that's still your child. So you still have this innate nature and desire to wanna continue parenting them. So I do, I kind of see all sides of it.

That's actually something that my dad's, I think he might have publicly talked about. It's hard to remove yourself from the parent role when you are the parent. So even though your child is out of the age of needing to be parented, needed to be parented, your parenting truly never does stop because that makeup of that relationship is parent child. Yeah. And so like, I don't know if this one's sticky for me, I'll be curious to see updates

and have you update me on all the things. I also, I feel like I have a soft spot for Cher because I don't know her, but like I only know good things about her. So I also, I'm like, there's nothing wrong with Cher. She couldn't have ulterior motives. Like I'm kind of naive and like in denial a little bit. I'm like the easiest thing in my opinion would be if you have given your kids money and allowance. Like I know somebody who has a trust fund and they are distributed X amount of dollars per year from that trust fund. That money is distributed regardless at whatever time of the year that it's scheduled to be

distributed. Why are you getting distributions from a trust fund when you're doing nothing to help yourself? You have no job. But that's why they're doing nothing to help themselves. You do nothing. Just they're not, because there are people who were, they're willing to work, but just for other people

they don't wanna run their own business and that's fine. And then there are people who are ingrained to go like hustle and do what they have to do at any cost. And then there are people who just no matter what you do, no matter what the circumstances are, they are just never going to be people who maintain their own lifestyle. So I feel like there are a lot of people who have their trust fund babies that don't feel like they need to do anything else. Like somebody lying to you if I said I wasn't scared of any of my kids doing that

because my kids all have trust funds and I'm terrified that they're gonna be like, oh, I got it, like don't have to worry about anything else. I'm terrified of that happening. Ask Chris and I cry about it two or once a week. Honestly, that's scary. In my opinion, you don't need to have funds distributed to you outside of what the normal standard of living

is. So like if I'm putting my child through college and I can afford to put my child through college, you aren't going to live a luxury life that's different than all these other college students. Like I will afford you the things that you need, but for things that you want, you need to work for those things. I did. My parents didn't give me any money from the time that I left home. No money. So I don't know. I just don't understand like this trust fund situation and I'm not trying to like talk about anybody, but it's like, okay, that should just be a leg up on your life, right? It's like somebody else worked hard to set you up for a situation for success.

So you should go out there and that should be kind of like your nest egg. And that's just an additional to anything that you're doing for yourself. But I don't think you should be entitled to have that if you're doing nothing for yourself. Right, right. I mean, life's not fair. So it's Right, right. I mean, life's not fair.

So, it's not fair, XYZ, well, life's not fair. So, let's just keep that in mind for the entire rest of our lives. Will you give me your thoughts on Natalia Grace from the Natalia Speaks documentary because I got wrapped up in this shit. Okay, so I actually sat down and I watched all of the things that we were gonna cover

on this podcast and I have like literally nine pages of notes. The first thing that I wrote on here is that if I could ask Natalia one thing, I would ask her if she had any good childhood memories because I don't think she covered not one of them. Like there's no. There was nothing positive. Right. In my opinion, from that it was all very negative, very drab, very focused on like all of the traumatic experiences of her life. Right. I feel bad for misjudging her initially, because I think when I

first heard about this case, I was like, Oh, she's crazy. She's this, she's that she's a liar. But I think that now, before I finish my sentence, a lot of my feelings on that I initially typed on, you know, my notes had did end up changing by the end of it. So initially, I felt bad for judging her and I feel like the only ones that were wrong were the Barnettes, but also that changes moving on.

I noticed for the entirety of the episode, I guess until the end, that she only just recently changed her last name, which I thought was interesting. Remember how I text you and Kristen and said, okay, I am now of the belief that, do I think that the Barnets did like really bad, shitty things to her? I do.

Yeah, of course. But do I think that she played a role? I also do. Yes, that's basically the conclusion that I came to by the end of the entire episode. I still don't, oh, the one thing that I thought was new that I didn't really know or pay attention to before was that they finally gave an answer

for why the original family that adopted her, the Chaconis, they finally explained why they like gave her back. Did you catch that? No. So they had a son, I don't know if it was biological or adopted. But allegedly, Natalia had broken his arm. Oh, wow. So allegedly, Natalia broke their son's arm. And she told him she hated him. I don't know. In my notes, I don't know if she told the dad or she told the brother. And so she said that everything changed from that point forward and the dad had completely

changed, you know, their relationship and how he interacted with her. I guess the mom was a little bit more understanding and was like still nice to her, but that was like the straw that broke the camel's back. And something tells me whether it was an accident or not. There was probably other small things that led up to that because I can't say as a mom, you know, if my kids, you know, they're kids, right? Like Lux and Creed fight like literally, you wouldn't even know their brothers if, you know, you didn't know us.

So if Lux or Creed broke the other one's arm as a mom, I'm not gonna change my, it might, you know, test the trust that I have for one of them a little bit, but I'm not going to change the entire trajectory of our relationship, I feel, unless other small things happened. Yeah. And I wish that they would have maybe gotten into some of the other small things because I think that if there were other small things that led up to that, then it would have connected

the dots to some of the things that the Barnets were saying. I feel like the Barnets acted completely inappropriately through that entire situation. And I believe that the mom had ulterior motive of adopting Natalia in the first place. I believe that she was very business minded. You cannot convince me now that she was not trying to mimic the movie the orphan. Well, Natalia said that she confirmed it she's and which is funny because every when I first heard about the case,

if you like look up comments and stuff, that's what people compared it to. And Natalia said that's like, they literally copied it. But also That's like they literally copied it. But also when I first watched the orphan when I found out about the Natalia Grace thing, I didn't know anything other than just small amounts of information from what somebody told me. And I was like, wait, was that movie like created about this little girl? Was it? I don't know. All right. It's shocking to me that in 2024, every parent doesn't install ExpressVPN on

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but I don't think you make a genius. I think you're either born- I think they're born a genius. Yeah, like I think those are like, like a certified genius is like next level. I don't think that you could like create that. So even Beth Keras who always does like ID channel stuff and murder stuff, like even she said that Christine's

like goal was to try to make Natalia, you know, a genius like her son. But I thought it was interesting that she, did you catch the part where they said that she, they adopted Natalia. Um, and they, in the book that she wrote about her son, they had removed everything about, yeah, which is, I had no idea. I thought the book came out and then they adopted Natalia. No.

So I thought that was very interesting. One other part that was like a connection point for me, I always have been caught up on her having this menstrual cycle. Like that has baffled me from the time that I heard about those claims that the mom had made. But then in this documentary, it goes into that deeper and said, and Natalia says that she made her put in a tampon and she was, I believe she said like seven years old or

something like that. And she said, obviously things aren't supposed to be going up there. And when they pull, when she pulled the tampon out, there was blood on it. So did it rupture her hymen? I would imagine so. I mean, is that not like assault or abuse in and of itself? Like to force your child to use a tampon is kind of crazy. And also as an adult, I remember specifically like hearing somewhere

that like it's not good to put tampons up there when you don't have even enough blood flow because when you pull it out, it does, it can do damage because it's like this really dry, a fabric essentially. And you know, it can kind of pieces of it can get stuck up there. So when I first started my period, I had like a very, very light period. It was just basically spotting. And I think that's pretty common for a lot of people, but my parents made me use pads. And not until my period got regulated and I still don't have a heavy one, but once

it was regulated and heavier than that, then I was allowed to use tampons, but not until then. My mom didn't even, she got me pads, but she never, I tried to use tampons myself and I couldn't figure out like why I wasn't putting them in right. And like, I didn't realize you have to like insert the part of the applicator, like do that whole thing. My mom never explained to me how to use tampons ever until like a long time of me having a hard time with them.

And I finally was just like, I can't do this. And then she told me that you put the applicator part in there too, and then pull it out. And I was like, I don't know, 14, 15, and I had already had my period for years. Um, didn't know you could do a blood test to figure out how old you are, had no fucking clue. 14, 15, and I had already had my period for years. Didn't know you could do a blood test to figure out how old you are, had no fucking clue. I would love to hear from Natalia's birth mother now that all everything is said and done

and now that Natalia is an adult. I could get behind the idea that, you know, she was trafficked to the US because there was no documents. That's what's so wild to me. Like how a child is here with American families, there's no documentation. To me, a lot of this situation could have been avoided had the adoption process been governed the way

that it should have. Agreed. And then the proof that Natalia was in fact a child nine and 10 years old living in an apartment. As soon as I saw like that whole part of the, of the series or the episode where they're talking about like it's confirmed that she was essentially nine, I think nine years old when she lived on her own. Lincoln is 10 and he is by far my most responsible child. That being said, him being honest, responsible, all of those things, I still can't picture him living in an apartment or in any sort of, I can't picture him living in my fucking camper outside my house by himself. Goodbye. No, you know what I'm saying? No, no, it's like, listen, I can trust Jackson to go to like Chick-fil-A.

Yeah. And come back, you know, and that's like in my house. So you are not getting an apartment. No. Further, I understand Natalia's longing for a family because she's only known chaos and I get that part of it. But she was bold for reaching for, first of all, Michael was bold for reaching out to Natalia to talk. And part of me wonders if it was for all of the cameras and the, you know, all of the production and stuff. But Natalia was bold to accept that and then not to meet up with him once but to meet up with him twice because if you remember, he stormed out of the first one.

To me, Michael has a guilty conscience. That's why he's doing all of it, but also for the glitz, the glam, the production. And he's trying to convince himself and everybody else that he's not the bad guy because he says, quote, a bad guy wouldn't be doing this. Okay, but you don't have to say that those things go without saying. So the point that you're saying it, you are convincing yourself, you were trying to convince yourself of that while convincing

everybody else of that. I think the entire family, including the people that she is with now, are caught up in this fame of this story. Also Christine was making money off her kids. They said that she made upwards of a million dollars and didn't even pay her own biological son which he said that he was owed around 200,000 which is insane. The number that she got for the advance on that book deal, the 600,000 is how did she even get that advance? Where do I because I didn't get I got

I have never even heard of something like that. My advance for Pride over pity, I think was 30,000. Yeah. So like, how? I don't know. I when she when she said that about or when it was said about the $600,000 advance, I almost text you when when that happened because I was like, bitch, you don't fucked up because you went with the wrong company. Because you did not make that. Well, I know I do know that some some places are not even offering advances at all anymore. I've heard that. Yeah.

But that's crazy. Also, Michael claims he didn't know that Natalia would need surgeries says that in a way they're responsible for Natalia says that they're in a way responsible for some of the pain that she has now, which I would agree with that you're going to adopt a child that is has special needs in any way shape or form, you need to be prepared to fit the bill for that, like, put the bill for that. And it goes back to the vetting process of like, you are adopting this child. I feel like there should have been psychological evaluations done, medical evaluations, all of this information should have been given to the family for them to be able to make an educated decision on, are we able to do this?

Are we willing to do this? And a lot of this stuff would have been completely avoided. I don't like that Michael immediately pulls the victim card through all of this. He puts all of the blame on Christine, but to Natalia's point, he was a bystander. It's like all the people, when there's an emergency, like out in public and everyone else thinks that someone else is gonna call 911 Wouldn't you rather be one of the people that calls 911 in addition to somebody else than rather stand there and like watch something like I can't get behind that? Also the way he plays dumb about so many things is really insulting to Natalia By the end of it Oh his her new family has like all those children and one of them that was talking about how Natalia by the end of it. Oh, his her new family has like all those children. And one

of them that was talking about how Natalia bit her to your point that you said a few minutes ago, I do think that Natalia did play her own role in all of this. But that being said, you have to expect some level of not dysfunction, but like behavioral issues can be consistent with everything that she's been through. So I do understand like some of it, but let's also... To me, it's just the lack of, I feel like Natalia would have been so much more credible had she just acknowledged those things

and been like, you know what, yeah, I did do that with your cars. And yeah, I have problems. And I did bite and I did break someone's arm. Like, had she done that, she would have been so much more credible to me than just not owning any of it. See, that's where we'll get into it later. But that's where I can respect Gypsy Rose over Natalia, because by the end of all of this, and I don't have to recap the rest of my notes because there's just so many,

I do think that at this point, especially from Natalia's family, also from Michael and also from Natalia herself, I think it's all acting. I think that a lot of this has turned into, forgetting what the original point of this whole story was to tell and like the awareness of it is completely gone. And now it's about like production and, and I know the acting between Michael and Natalia

and it's like Natalia's adoptive parents truly was so it was sickening to me. It was so cringy. I was like, wait, the production team is having a field day with this. If I was on this production team and behind the camera, I would be like, holy shit, you guys are all psychotic. When, was it Michael or Natalia? I think it was Natalia.

She's like trying really hard to cry and there's no tears coming out. And then she's like has her eyes closed and she like blink like really hard blinks that stuck out in my mind because I was like, still no tears came out. Like still like it's like being a child and crying because you want something and you're like, okay, you're going to give in to me if I have a tear rolling down my face. I'm like, I just it was and then to get through the entire thing and very very little new information came up like very I mean very little like even even like we know Natalia is mad. We know she's upset and you know

Like you said if she would have just taken because at some point We have to all take accountability of our own roles and I don't feel like that was done here It was not done. Um last thing i'm to say on this, and then we can move on. If she was on trial, and that old lady from that apartment complex was a witness, I'm finding her guilty because I believe that old lady. Which what did she say? The lady that said that Natalia didn't seem like a normal nine or ten year old child, however old she was when she moved in that apartment and she played with her grandsons. She didn't. And she inappropriately touched them.

You don't remember this lady? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I remember it, but you're saying that she would go to jail? No, I'm saying if that lady was a witness in some type of trial situation against Natalia, I'm finding Natalia guilty because I believe that little old lady. I do too. I do believe that because also there were several incidents like the when she was in a facility was making an approach. She did take accountability for that,

but she also said it was because she heard things. Maybe, but you're not gonna continue those conversations with adults if that's the case. You know, like as a small child, I never talked to adults about those things. No, and then the fact that she claimed that she went to that other man's apartment and I guess he was watching porn. I don't know. Oh no. It's very, very weird. But if you guys

have not watched, if you have not watched, it's a very interesting watch more so for the production and the theatrics. Yes. Yes. That's why I would recommend to watch. Because what not to do if you're taking acting classes? Yes, 100%. Okay, so let's get into a foul play. Okay, this is too foul not to share with my two favorite pod stars. I've never heard that. Oh, pod stars starring Kale and Lindsay Chrisley. I love and am a proud and a proud to be a part of the kitty gang and appreciate you guys getting me through work. So first off, my best friend had a horrible boyfriend who was a sloppy alcoholic and a pathological liar, but she stayed with him for years. Because what can I say other than they were into the same kinds of kinks and had amazing

an amazing sex life. Fast forward to the end of their toxic tumultuous time together. She had not lived or been to the home they shared before he left the state for a month, but she knew the landlord so in good faith. We put on our rubber gloves, grabbed trash bags and went to clean the nasty ass house up. The house was disgusting. Beyond something I thought someone I knew could live in cans bottles, moldy food plates, sink pile tie with moldy food and plates, cups of chewed spit, you spit trash all over you get the drift. Most alarming was

a rat shit every year. I fucking hate rodents. Me too, sister. Just throwing everything away at this point and carefully picking things up with rubber gloves and bagging it cautiously due to the rats. I'm grabbing towels off the counter and two huge black rats fall out and hit my leg and foot and I screamed bloody murder and ran. Oh my God, when my bestie goes in to take care of it, she all of a sudden is laughing her ass off and I'm frantic and she's telling me to come see how big the rats are. They are huge black butt plugs. Wait, what?

That she and him used to use the last time, or that she and him used the last time she was over. My leg and foot were assaulted by huge black butt plugs and I would have preferred that they were rats. Oh my God. Okay. Number one, just number one, I feel like a lot of people stay in relationships because they have a great sex life with someone and I'm here to tell you that is not a reason to stay in a relationship. Well, my therapist told me that a lot of times the sex actually isn't so good, but it's the

only time that you feel connected to that person. So you over romanticize it in your head about how good it is. And so that was really interesting to me because I think that's what happened in one of my situations was I, you know, he didn't give me the attention that I wanted everywhere else. That was the only connection that I felt to him. So I was doing it way more often than I ever wanted to. And it wasn't as good as I thought. I think that that is 100% true. I have had a lived experience with that not once but

twice. And I think you have to be aware. Once you become aware of those things, because my therapist also told me that once you come aware of those things, it's hard for you not to like zone in on those things. Right. So I think the romanticizing it's kind of like getting a divorce and being like, okay, well, we could have made it work. No, you were you're romanticizing the situation for what it could have been, not what it was. Same thing with the sex life. Like no, um, I don't think sex is really a reason to say, um, to stay. My dad always told us girls and it's, it's very crass, but Dix or a dime a dozen. This is true because there's lots of them out there. So we don't need to be staying in toxic tumultuous relationships. Um, because of an amazing sex life. Also, I can tell you I

was at Trent's house probably four weeks ago and I went out into his garage late at night and he was following me behind a rodent like ran out. We still have not found it. I jumped so high. I had no idea that I had those types of jumps. I jumped so high, I landed on top of one of his kids golf carts. Oh, okay, so you'd be good at golf. I don't do rodents either, and that would be very, very alarming to me,

but I just wanna know about the huge butt plugs. Like, do people put like big stuff in their booty hole? Yeah, like big stuff. Some people put rodents in their buttholes so I mean it's wait what? Yeah. Oh is that like a Furby thing? I don't know. What do they call those people that put stuff in their buttholes? Durbling. Durable, Durable not Furby. Yes, it's called gerbiling. Yeah. But like, is that not animal abuse? Oh, Absolutely, because they die, of course. How do they get them up there? I've never done it. So I couldn't I couldn't Begin to tell you. Well, I'm just thinking They stretch their buttholes out with something like, you know those like you do you like move it up and then

How does it get in there? We need we need to speak to a doctor that works in the emergency department. Yes, we do. I'm so sorry to whoever wrote in and said that you had to clean someone's nasty ass house because I can just tell you I don't want to clean my house when it's nasty, let alone somebody else's nasty shit. Yeah, let alone somebody else's nasty shit. Yeah, like touching somebody else's nasty shit ain't for me. So on that note, next foul play.

First, I love you ladies and listen religiously. Several years ago, I had something happen to me that to this day mortifies me. A coworker set me up with one of her single friends. All she told me was that he was around my age and a firefighter. In my mind, a firefighter is tall and muscular. So I didn't bother to ask more questions, but I told her to give him my number. So after soon after we began texting back and forth and eventually plan to meet in person, we went to dinner and he was cute, but much

thinner and shorter than I imagined. Dinner went well. And one thing led to another and we decided to take the party back to the house. Note, it's appropriate to tell you, I'm not a small lady five nine and weighing about 180 pounds. He and I were close in height, but probably outweighed him by 20 pounds. When we got back to my house, things really got heavy. So much so that we didn't even make it up to my room and decided the living room floor was where this was going to happen. This guy's stamina far outweighed mine and he seemed to go forever. He put me on top and in my mind, in my mind started

to wander. In other words, I was bored with this and wanted it to be done. Because of this, I started to become careless and hurt him a little. We, we readjusted and began again. The next bounce hurt me and I jumped off. I was trying to figure out what happened. I looked down at his face to see him looking at his dick horrified. When I look, I could see the top half of his dick bent over at a 90 degree angle. It looked like an upside down L. I froze had no idea what to do. I remember he

was a firefighter and had some EMT experience. So I asked, Do you want me to call 911? He immediately jumped up, shoved his hard bent dick in his pants and left. He didn't say a word. No. I'll just take myself. Like, like what? She said, I have no idea if this had happened before he just left. I texted him about an hour later checking to see if he was okay, but he totally ghosted me. I wish this had some nice ending for you, but I don't. I literally never heard from him again.

I was so embarrassed that I never mentioned to my co-worker either. So I couldn't ask her how he was. If she knew, um, she never said anything. And that's how I broke his dick. Please keep my name anonymous. Thanks, ladies. I'm literally almost crying because Wait, has this happened to you? No, no, this has never, this has never happened to me. I've definitely like, like, you know,

when you're like bouncing or whatever, and then like it you just like land on it wrong, and then it hurts, like I get that. But how does a dick go to an L? Well, it's cartilage. Like, do you know how hard that that must have happened for you to break like cartilage? Also, you're ghosting someone over a fucking accident. Like this is a freak accident. Also Also just like, literally be an adult and be like, I'm so sorry that you broke my dick and I don't want to talk to you ever again. Like, don't be embarrassed shit happened. But like, first of all, you're not getting the opportunity if this happens with me, you're not getting the opportunity to

leave sir, because I am immediately calling 911. I'm not asking for your permission because at the point that your dick looks like an L. calling 911 I'm not asking for your permission because at the point that your dick looks like an L No, but she's she's shoved like I can't stop laughing. He shoved. Where is it? He shoved is hard bent dick in his band left didn't say a word. Not I'll take myself nor did he nor did he ask me to take him to the hot like grow up. Also, did you watch porn before you guys hooked up? Because why are you not coming? Why did it last as long as it did?

That's where I was going. That's where I was going with this situation. Do you ever question any person that you have been with that has like stamina, they can go for like a very long time? Is it like in Elijah, if it goes for too long, like what the fuck have you been doing? But what is it? Well, that's

an off and I'm just saying like if it did, I would question him because what the fuck are you doing? But I'm saying like, is it because they jack off? It's weird to me because I don't know if you've ever paid attention, but like certain certain songs, like, they talk about Oh, how like someone goes too fat, like two minutes, three minutes, shit like that. And yeah, I feel like that's like a little bit too quickly,

but men also pride themselves off of how long, like their stamina. I don't wanna have sex more than 15 minutes. Like you are taking it entirely too fucking far. Like speed it up, what the fuck is wrong with you? And I don't know if they know that. Like I don't think they understand it because they literally get mad at themselves

if they come too quick. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I will say, listen, I'm not trying to have a minute man, but I'm trying to have a seven minute man. Exactly. I'm trying to have a cool 10 minutes and we're good to go. Kristen said a little razzle dazzle and that's, let's be done because what the fuck?

Yeah, no. I always feel like if you have ever been with somebody that has like crazy stamina, immediately my mind starts going to this slippery slope of, okay, you just sit around and watch porn all the time and you jack off and that's weird. And I just feel like you're weird as fuck. Or you're cheating. 100% you're doing shit that you shouldn't be doing because yeah, that's the reason why

you should last 25, 30, 40. No. No. I mean, unless you have whiskey dick. Okay. Well, that's yeah, that's like separate, that's a separate thing, but on a regular day, no sir, no sir. And on that note, um, Kailin, actually I got called out for that yesterday. People are like, why, why are you out here calling kill by her government name? I'm like, cause I always do like, duh. Um, next week we're going to be talking about Casey Anthony's parents. Evidently that was Kale's favorite to watch the lie detector test. Um, that's going to be discussed on next week's episode. So if you guys are listening to this and you have not watched, make sure you

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