Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 32: The Angry Atheists

Episode Date: January 30, 2012

We have a guest, Reap from Reapsow Radio and The Angry Atheist.PURITY BEAR SEZ: KEEP IT IN YOUR PANTS, Pope warns of ‘radical secularism’, Atheist Temple: Nonbelievers To Get Place Of 'Worship' In UK, Rick Santorum: Left uses college for "indoctrination", Rick Santorum On Opposition To Abortion In Cases Of Rape: 'Make The Best Out Of A Bad Situation', Santorum Promises To Outlaw Gay Civil Marriage Because It Does Not Reflect ‘God’s Will For Us’, Oklahoma GOP Introduces Bill That Attacks Evolution And Climate Change, Nigeria's "witch children" find refuge at center, Tennessee Rep. Says It’s ‘Virtually Impossible’ To Contract AIDS Through Heterosexual Sex, North Carolina GOP Lawmaker Calls For Bringing Back Public Hangings, Starting With Abortion Providers, Yes, the Romneys Converted Mitt’s Dead Atheist Father-in-Law to Mormonism Clips used: Rick Santorum - Meet the Press, Book of Mormon at Tony Awards, Jesus Camp, “Just Nasty” Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com), Visit our Website at http://dissonancepod.com for all the links.

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Let's go inside and I can show you. Oh, Purity Unicorn, your horn vibrates just like Mom's personal massager. Your horn vibrates just like mom's personal massager. Purity Unicorn on sale now. Purity and batteries not included. I like you too. You kind of remind me of my sister. My sister. Be advised that this show is not for children, the faint of heart, or the easily offended. The explicit tag is there for a reason.

This is Cognitive Dissonance. Every episode we blast anyone who gets in our way. We bring critical thinking, skepticism, and irreverence to any topic that makes the news, makes it big, or makes us mad. It's skeptical, it's political, and there is no welcome mat. This is episode 32. I'm glad you told me because I fucking lost track at this point. For those playing the home game of cognitive dissonance. And Cecil, we've got to talk about the purity there. I just. We just we've got to talk about the purity bear. I just... We've got to go there. I just got to make sure, Tom,

that people understand what the purity bear is. We talked about it last time in the news portion or the notes portion of the show. And if somebody's listening to this brand new intro we did, they could be completely befuddled as to what is even happening. Purity bears, I think, it's one of those skits that we talked about last time.

We can't figure out if it's real or if it's like an SNL takeoff. It's so ridiculous. But basically, girl invites guy into the house for a little action, and a bear pops up. A teddy bear that's not even a fucking puppet. It's a teddy bear. Right. Pops up. A teddy bear that's not even a fucking puppet.

It's a teddy bear. Right. And then just a disembodied voice from the teddy bear is like, she looks cuddly, but I'm cuddly too. Fuck me instead. It doesn't say that. It doesn't say that. It doesn't say that. But there is a hole right in the teddy bear there. No, but we got the –

This teddy bear is greasy. We got the – the link was sent to us via email, but the link actually linked to – it was a Rebecca Watson post on Skepchik. So Skepchik had an article on it, and she had written a bunch of stuff on it. And I had linked to the article for the last episode, and I'll link to it again in this episode. I just want to show people to know what it is so they're not like completely fucking puzzled as to what we're doing here. That purity unicorn I think is a much more useful unicorn. I think so, too. I think it's going to be a hit at a few parties.

Not all the parties. Don't get me wrong. But a few select parties, I think it would be a very big hit. In the purity fauna of possibilities, there could also be a variety of purity animals. The purity narwhal, I can see that. you know, of possibilities. There could also, but there's a variety of purity animals that could be. The purity narwhal, I can see that. Yeah, purity narwhal is for the advanced user, I think. I think that's for the, you've got to be pretty advanced at that point.

It's not a junior varsity sort of a purity bear. It's definitely not a junior mint. Yeah, that's impressive. The purity elephant as well. You know, you want to stay away from. The purity elephant is prehensile. So, you know, there's a lot going on there. I think there should be a whole host of purity animals. You remember the talking bass?

You've got to mount it to your wall. You just walk him by. It's like, hey, don't have sex with anybody. Wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. In the name of Jesus, we speak that. Oh, Ramana, Shanda, Karaba. No, Korra, Mene, Mene. Jede, Kede, Burushida, Kede, Bidasa.

Hookah, chaka, hookah, hookah, hookah, chaka, hookah, hookah, hookah, chaka, hookah, hookah, chaka. So for this story, we have Reap. Reap has a couple of shows, Reap So Radio and The Angry Atheist. And he's going to join us to talk about this next story this is from pretorian news the title of the story is pope warns of radical secularism which i love that whole notion of radical secularism he says the roman catholics in the united states need to understand the grave threats in their faith posed by what he calls radical secularism in the political and cultural arenas gentlemen radical secularism how can you be radically secular i am radically not well the terms they cancel each other out they're so fucking asinine to join together

the idea that the Pope would even direct this toward the United States when the majority of Western Europe is more secular anyway. It's baffling. I'm extremely, extremely insulted by that. I'm a militant atheist. I love it when people do this sort of thing, though. And they do this a lot. I mean, I'm sure you run into this all the time, Reap, where people will say that fundamentalists are just as bad as out atheists. I'm sure you heard that. I hear that all the time. Yes, thank you, Barry.

Yeah, you know what? That's one thing that pisses me off to no end. I don't know how people make that connection. I don't know how they make a connection because the biggest difference, and this difference is like between black and white, is we're talking about reality they're talking about fantasy and that's the makes that makes the split right there to me that's that's the well that's all you need to do you know it's reality and it's fantasy and which one you know it's okay if somebody's talking about reality to me you think it would be okay to others if you're talking about reality you have a little more leeway you know you tell somebody you what? You need to get with reality and be a little more harsher with them.

Then you need to believe in Mickey Mouse. You know, it's a little bit different. Nobody is ever accused of being fundamentalist anti-unicorn, right? You know, or anti-dwarf. I don't believe in dwarfs. Well, I guess I do believe in actual dwarf people. But you know what I mean. You know, I don't believe in elves and orcs, but you know what I mean. I don't believe in elves

and orcs and all that sort of silly fantasy bullshit. And I'm never accused of being a fundamentalist for that, but this idea of being radically secular, man, they're so radical about their secularism. How dare they? It's so scary.

Do you guys remember when that radical secularist blew up that abortion clinic? I do remember when that did not happen. Yeah, exactly. You get started on that, you can go off on anything. You can pick anything you want if you start going that direction. Sure, anything that doesn't exist. Radical veterinarianism. I want to see that.

I want to see the Pope concerned about radical veterinarianism. Really? Radical secularism? This is what Palpatine is worried about these days? I mean, somebody's got to throw this guy down a big pit or something. This is ridiculous. And it's sad because they really are worried about it.

They're kind of worried about the wrong thing. They need to be worried about themselves first and what they've been doing and what they know, kind of what they've done to people. But, yeah, I don't get it. It's like they're disconnected with reality. And it's kind of weird because you get surprised by it. You really shouldn't be because look at all the crazy crap they believe in and say. How much of this do you think is a smokescreen to distract people from, you know, the problems at home, so to speak, for the church.

You know, that's the interesting question. It's difficult for me to understand. I've been trying to figure out what the Catholic Church is thinking about when they're avoiding this issue, avoiding this issue. It's right there. It's not in their face. It's hit them in the face multiple times, you know. And I don't know.

I think it's just because they don't have any other choice but to do that. There's nothing. They can't deal with it. They don't know how. think it's just because they don't have any other choice but to do that. There's nothing – they can't deal with it. They don't know how. They can't deal with it. So they just keep on with this denial. And it's sad for them. They're kind of doing us a favor though. Well, it seems to me that it is pretty easy to deal with though, right?

You just – you put in a place the same kind of workplace policies that any place would have. Right. Like while you're at work and if you're a priest or, you know, you're always at work. So while you're at work, don't fuck any children. I don't know. Maybe it speaks to how much because they know more about it than we do. You know, they've got the insight and kind of scary. Maybe they know more about it, you know, and that's the reason why they're being the way they're being. Maybe it's deeper and more of a problem than even we realize. Maybe they know they know they've got.

Oh, so they're throwing up the smoke and mirrors here to protect themselves from even further embarrassment. Yeah, because they must you know, they must have. And that's a good idea. You would you would think they'd put in place things like you have no workplace. Hey, you know what? In the workplace, you don't put your hands on anyone else. These days, you can't touch another employee. Right, you know what? In the workplace, you don't put your hands on anyone else. These days, you can't touch another employee. Right. You know what I mean?

Right, right. On the elbow, I think, is the okay. I think that's because we do sexual harassment where I work and I'm in management. We do sexual harassment like every six months, mandatory. That sounds hot, actually. The only thing we can do is touch somebody on the elbow. That's the safe spot. On the elbow. I would rub everybody's elbow.

I would just come up and just – There's got to be somebody out there who's like – that's their erotic zone, you know, in the elbow. I would go to that seminar. I would go up to somebody, look them right in the eye meaningfully, and just give them a nice elbow rubbing just because they'll be like, there's nothing you can do about this. Oh, man. Elbows are so soft. You must use lotion. I know.

It's not a lawsuit, you know, where somebody has that fetish. I thought that was an elbow. I don't know. That's genius. We've got to talk more about this off the air. Yeah, you think they put those things into place, but they haven't, and there's got to be a reason for that. Because even though the Catholic Church is insane and crazy, they're not stupid. Yeah, I think you're probably right.

Well, that's somehow more depressing than it initially started off to be. God, he's scary looking. He is a creepy looking dude. He looks like he's ready to judo chop somebody. He looks like he's ready to like break a brick or something. He's got like a cinder block in front of him. Or take their life essence out of him. He just finished. There's a little bit of life essence on his face if you look.

He's sort of. He's got a little something there. So these either that or pudding. I'm not sure which. Well, it might be something else. Be careful there. Any viscous liquid. It's all you fans of Angry Atheist and Reap So Radio. If you want to hear Reap at the end of the show, you're going to have to stick around for about 40 minutes. We're going

to do a little interview with him later on. You know, hey, maybe you'll like it. Maybe you'll enjoy our show. Who knows? What is it? It's 40 minutes. Come on. I do believe that atheists are parasites in the sense they're benefiting from everything that religious culture is built in America, but they're doing nothing to add energy into the system. This story makes me crazy. I saw this as a story from Huffington Post in the UK. Nonbelievers are building a place of worship, an atheist temple. I cannot imagine anything less worthwhile. Like if I had a money and I was looking at my money and I was thinking, what shall I do with my money? It is here available for me to purchase goods and services. At no time would I think, well, I'm an atheist. Why don't I build a fucking temple for me to worship at? Because that is fucking asinine.

What are you going to worship? I don't know. I don't understand the story. And the other thing I don't understand too is, let me just read directly from the story here. Because I read it and I read it again and I read it again and I read it again and none of it made sense. OK, so here's the part I'm talking about. It says dedicated to the idea of perspective, the Black Tower will scale 46 meters, which is, you know,

for us Yanks, it's 150 feet with each centimeter honoring the Earth's age of 4.6 billion years. What? A centimeter? Like, a centimeter? That's only 4,600 centimeters in 46 meters. If my math is correct, which it could be completely wrong. I don't know. It's not the metric system over here, so I have no idea. I'm just guessing what a centimeter is based off of the fucking prefix.

Okay? But a centimeter seems like it'd be a hundredth of a meter. And then you time that by 46. I'm not a fucking brain genius, but that seems like 4,600. There are far fewer, like, centimeters than there would be years. Yeah, I, that's, I don't understand that at all. Unless each centimeter is meant to stand for... Stand for what?

I don't know, some, I don't know! I don't know! I don't know. I don't know. Why are you asking me? That's the thing. I was like, okay, well, if it's fucking representative, if you're doing it to some sort of scale, what's the scale? And now I know it's just an odd number is all.

Yeah. Why would you build a temple that looks like a giant rocket? I mean, I'm looking at the artist's conception here, and it's basically like a big dick rocket. It's a purity temple. Yeah, it is a purity temple, right? For atheists? Atheists would be like, I got nothing against screwing you.

Let's do this thing. It's got this nice hum to it when you put your hand on it. This has this beautiful hum. I seriously don't understand this waste of money. I mean, like, I understand. I would love it to be like a house of the sciences or something. You know, building at a temple, a knowledge of some sort, you know, like scientific knowledge. I understand.

But, you know, those already exist. They're called universities and libraries. And museums, right? I mean, it's a fucking museum. What are people? And it's huge. I mean, it's huge. I mean, you're talking about a 15-story building. Yeah. I'm baffled by, what are you going to do? You're going to walk in, okay, so I'm an atheist and I go to the atheism temple. And I don't know why I did this, but I did. And I walk in.

Why did I get on a bat on Sunday morning? Why did I get out of bed on Sunday morning? Right, and I'm just like, man, okay, I'm here. When are services? Never. Who's in charge? No one. What are we doing?

Nothing. When's the fucking ice cream social? Right. And you're going to be like, well, what's on the third floor? I don't know. Yeah. It's baffling. It's a stupid fucking idea. This is actually counterproductive to getting religious people to finally understand that atheism isn't another religion, right? I agree.

I mean that's like a – I agree. It's like something you constantly encounter. Well, you just believe in faith of no faith or whatever that fucking nonsense argument is. Yeah, well, that's fucking stupid. Well, you do now that you built a 15-story building. it. Well, you do now that you built a 15-story building. Wouldn't that money

have been better spent if we were going to be giving it to Doctors Without Borders or something? Vastly better. Helping people out rather than just building a building for building it? Right. So that we can just flaunt it? I don't know. It doesn't make any sense. And this could be too, right?

That we're just getting a tiny taste of this story from a paper that doesn't really want to or a blog that doesn't really want to elaborate. Maybe there is a lot more to this story. Maybe it's a fucking, you know, it's a giant dick-shaped homeless shelter. I don't know. 15-story homeless shelter. But in this article, from this article, it seems worthless.

Now, it might not be, but from this article, it seems worthless. Now, it might not be, but from this article, it seems worthless. Do you believe that there should be any legal exceptions for rape or incest when it comes to abortion? I believe that life begins at conception and that that life should be guaranteed under the Constitution. That is a person. So even in a case of rape or incest, that would be taking a life. That would be taking a life. And I believe that any doctor who performs an abortion, I would advocate that any doctor that performs an abortion should be criminally charged for doing so. I've never supported criminalization of abortion from others, but I do for people who perform it. Cecil, we have got to talk about Santorum. The candidate, not the anal leakage.

Yeah, the frothy mix of blue and pink. The Aleen product. Anal leakage. Yeah. The frothy mix of blue and pink water. The Aleen product. Although increasingly there is less of a distance between the candidate and the definition we just described. The things this guy has been saying recently are so beyond the scope of reason to me that I can't possibly look at the man and consider taking him seriously for even a moment. One of the most reprehensible things I think he said recently is he describes, you know, his stance on abortion.

He's obviously he's pro-life. He's pro-life even in cases of rape and incest, which I have a real problem with. of rape and incest, which I have a real problem with. And he says, basically, make the best out of a bad situation. That should be the Republican fucking, like, subtitle. You know? Like, vote GOP, make the best out of the bad situation. Even so, it's like, hey, poor people, you know, you're poor. Just be fucking happy that you're poor. You live in the greatest country in the world.

Sure, you don't get to enjoy any of it, but you live in the greatest country in the world. What the fuck are you bitching about? Make the best out of a bad situation. You know, yeah, you grow up in a shitty neighborhood, you know, where people don't value education because it hasn't done anything for them and you have no opportunities coming out of that neighborhood.

You don't have fucking, you know, your daddy didn't fucking sell his first oil well at fucking 18. So you don't have any kind of money or anything to fall back on. You're probably going to drop out of school, maybe sell drugs, but you know what? Make the best out of the, out of this, you know, crappy situation. What kind of shitty thing is that to say to somebody? You know,

what kind of worldview do you have to have to say something like that to somebody else? You have to have a fucking silver spoon shoved up your ass to even think something like that, because you've never had to deal with it. You've never had Okay, how about your wife

gets raped, Santorum? Are you gonna be like, oh, cool. Well, let's just have the baby, hon. Yeah, right. Yeah. Oh, well, you know, when life hands you lemons, make some lemonade. When your wife is assaulted and impregnated. When life hands you babies, make baby aid. Baby aid.

You know? Here you go. Mmm, delicious glass of baby aid. Baby aid. That's actually Dr. Pepper. We covered this on a previous show. No, but really, what an arrogant fucking worldview that is. And what it shows is that you've lived a life that has had very, very little trauma in it.

Yeah. Very little disaster has happened in your life. Because if you are so uncaring about other people's lives, you've never had hardship. Absolutely, man. I mean, the truth is, of course, that his wife did, when faced with a medical emergency, she was forced to make a decision. And I don't want to criticize her for that decision because that's none of my fucking business. Yeah, exactly. You're talking about being opposed to abortion being opposed to abortion, even in the

cases of rape and incest. That's a position that I just can't get there from here. That is the government. That's that's that's the essence of big government. That's the government. Yes. Doing violence, additional violence against a woman who's already been victimized. You know, you're saying, oh, well, you know, you've been you've been cruelly treated. You've been victimized. You've been attacked, assaulted. We, as the government, want to continue that assault. It's not over and it won't be over.

The ground war has just started. That was a skirmish in the hell that we're going to unleash. Exactly. Upon your psyche. You know, and it's not let's let's, let's not, you know, pretend that being pregnant and delivering unto the world a child is risk-free. There's a tremendous amount of risk that's associated with pregnancy and that's associated with childbirth. So even if all goes well, it's awful. But there's no guarantee that all is going to go well.

And well is so fucking outrageously relative because the genesis of that pregnancy was born out of violence. So for some guy, some dude who's never going to get fucking raped and impregnated to stand there and tell you to fucking make lemonade, man. It's just like it makes me want to beat his face into a wall. I know. It's hard not to think about violence when you think about Santorum. I mean, he's such a fucking douchebag. And you're totally right. He's just basically looking at all the women of the world that have had a fucking rough go of it

and tell them, suck it up, bitch. Right. What the fuck is wrong with you? Look, you shouldn't have had a fucking vagina then. That's exactly it, right? And you get this argument all the time from the pro-life community, and to some degree, there's a rationality behind it, which is the personal responsibility argument. Right.

Personal responsibility doesn't enter into the equation in circumstances of rape and incest. It wouldn't be fucking rape if you were like, well, I chose to get pregnant. No, that's definitionally it does not. Definitionally, it does not work. So you're looking at somebody and saying, well, you didn't you, you know, you couldn't fucking help it. And that was pretty terrible.

And it's one of the worst things you're probably ever going to have to endure in your life. And nobody other than you will ever know what that was really like. But here's what I think about it. Really? Here's what you think about it? Fuck you, dude. I'm gonna throw you off a bridge.

Well, he's not, you know, and this is not an isolated incident. This is not just like one thing that makes Santorum fucking crazy. And like the thing that blows my mind, Tom, the thing that I just I cannot get past is that this guy is an absolute religious radical. Like when you look at what he thinks. And I'm just going to mention two other stories that we're going to sort of compress with this Santorum. We're stuffing it in to sort of get that Santorum fix that we need. We're just jamming them. I mean, it's very forcible how we're jamming these Santorum

articles together. But Santorum promises to outlaw gay civil marriage because it does not reflect God's will for us. That's one story we're going to combine. And another is he says that the left uses colleges for indoctrination. Okay, so we have this guy who has these crazy views about America and about reality. Let's just say reality. Let's just say he has crazy views about reality. Yeah, and he's using his bully pulpit to espouse religious nonsense. Sure, sure. And so here's what I want people to think about.

Let's just pretend you stumbled across this podcast and you were religious. And right now you're searching for the off button. Right now on your iPod you're trying to find it and I get a chance to say something to you. And what I'm saying is do you really want a religious fundamental like this, who is a different fundamental to you, being in charge of you? Because you know what? Maybe you have extreme views too, but I bet they don't match perfectly

with what Santorum's views are. They're just a little off because like you say, Tom, all the time, Christianity, that denomination of Christianity is not a one homogenous fucking religion. Christianity is huge. I mean, here's an example of how Christianity is not a homogenous religion. Protestants. You know what I mean? Like Protestants. You know, we're going back to 1500 here on this one. Okay. So the very idea that it's not a fucking homogenous religion. What would you think, America, Protestant America, if Catholic Rick Santorum was elected? How could you possibly vote for this guy?

And would you vote for this guy if he was a Muslim espousing these views? And you've got to ask yourself that because this is what he is espousing is a tiny subsect of religious worldview that you may or may not fit into. And this guy wants to run this place like a fucking theocracy. And you want to let him in? You want to fucking put him up in Iowa and be like, yeah, he's our guy? Crazy. You're exactly right. You know, he's a radical Catholic.

Right. You know, if you're a moderate Catholic, you'd be offended by this guy's very existence. If you're a Protestant, it doesn't work. If you're a Mormon, it doesn't work. If you're a Jehovah's Witness, it doesn't work. You know, if you're any of the—if you're not Rick Santorum, it doesn't work. If you're not Rick Santorum or one of his fucking siblings and or his child. Right.

You know, you want to outlaw something because you don't think it's a good idea. Fine. You want to make a social policy because you think that it will benefit the greater good of society. That's, you know, presents your fucking case. You want to do something because, you know, God's will? Yeah, fuck you. Really? God, we should never take this man seriously.

As soon as he says that, that should be America's cue to be like, oh, right, we need to lock this fucker up or ignore him. We have two options. We can either lock him up and hope he gets better, maybe put him on a 72-hour psychiatric hold, or, you know, just ignore him because he's clearly not capable of running a fucking farm stand, much less a country, right? This is a guy who would be intimidated by the local cucumbers.

I don't want to, I certainly wouldn't want to try, uh, Rick Santorum's farm stand orange juice. That's all I'm saying. And the left is, colleges use, colleges indoctrinate people to the left? I don't even understand that. You went to college. It didn't work for you. I know.

They totally indoctrinated Rick Santorum. Wait. This guy is a degenerate. What is he going to – what are you possibly gonna say uh to all these people in the world right now that have a gay a marriage that is that is a homosexual marriage right it's it's a it's a same-sex marriage what are you gonna say to them sorry yeah but you're an indian giver like oh i can't probably can't say that right i can't say indian giver fuck i can't say indian style when you talk about sitting either it turns out no you can't say i dudegiver. Fuck. You can't say Indian-style when you talk about sitting either, it turns out.

No, you can't say, dude, really. Just pretend you're talking about Indians from India instead of Native Americans. That wouldn't be offensive. That's not offensive, then. There's only billions of people. They're too far away to be offended. I mean, really, you're going to be like, take backs. Yeah, right.

Take backs. No take backs. That was my marriage. You can't take back my marriage. But what the scriptures are anxious to say, it's far more important that we be spiritually strong as a nation than that we be militarily strong. It's not enough to be militarily strong. If we are militarily strong, but we are spiritually weak as a nation. We are going to go down. And that's why it's critical, I believe, to have a commander-in-chief who is a Christian-in-chief first and then is our commander-in-chief.

So Oklahoma, really doing it right. Oklahoma GOP introduces bill that attacks evolution and climate change. It's a twofer. Go get them, Oaks. They went to Great America america gotta twick it so many great america jokes on this show i know people don't even know what great america is it's like a fucking chicago land thing uh this is from addicting info um wow really um the anti-evolution nuts in oklahoma uh republicans not a shocker there, they want to basically assist school staff in promoting critical thinking by promoting being critical of, as I read it, thinking.

I don't know that I have a lot to say about this other than like, really? Really? This is what this is your plan? How do these things get passed? lot to say about this other than like, really, really, this is what, this is your plan. How does this, how do these things get past? Like, like one, one I want to say is we, we pay these people. We pay these people to sit in rooms and think up legislation. Like what, how is that? How, how do you justify your paycheck after a day of fucking writing something like this up? Well, here's, here's what gets me is that it says, and I'm going to quote here,

promoting critical thinking, logical analysis, open and objective discussion of scientific theories, including, but not limited to, evolution, the origin of life, global warming, and human cloning. Here's what I want to say. Science is immune to rhetoric. You can have a discussion about anything that you want to have a discussion about. It will not change the data. There is no time where you're going to talk the data into another conclusion. You're never going to string together a series of words so fucking powerfully persuasive that the data itself stands up and takes notice

and says, wow! Initially, initially, there were no mammals buried in this strata of rock. But they have actually come down through this. That's never going to fucking happen. That's retarded.

That's just retarded. Human cloning we're isn't who's promoting human cloning i don't even understand why that's like some some conspiracy theorists like obama went to mars bullshit right absolutely right human cloning we've got to have an honest and open discussion about human cloning what you're watching too much sci-fi channel there's a show right now, Tom. I'm not even kidding. I was fucking, Sarah was watching TLC, which I am convinced has nothing to do with learning.

No. TLC has lost the learning. Yeah, it's fucking, it's the freak show channel. And one of the things that they had on there was I cloned my pet or something like that was the name of the show. And I'm not kidding. These people are so crazy obsessed with their pet that they go out and like they save little

bits of their pet and then they have them have people like try to clone them. And I'm not kidding. Okay, so it's like a fucking schnauzer, right? You're trying to fucking clone a schnauzer at this point. It takes them years to do it. Years to get this clone of this animal because it's not a fucking

process. You'd be like, yeah, dude, let's just clone me up. Clone me up a clone. Hey, could you clone me up a couple clones? Is there like a twofer? It's not multiplicity. It's not like Michael Keaton isn't walking into a thing and being, wah, I got another one, a clone of a clone, ha, ha, ha. That doesn't happen.

We don't have – what's happening? You can't do that. You ought to have an honest and open discussion about human cloning. Okay, I'll start. No one's doing that. No one can do it. They can't even fucking clone a Schnauzer right. It takes them two years.

I've also heard, incidentally, that when they clone a lot of the animals, they don't have the same fur pattern. There's no guarantee of similar personality. It's not. Yeah. People don't understand how same fur pattern there's no guarantee of similar personality it's not yeah people don't understand how this actually works you don't get the thing back it's not like it comes back and it's like hey i remember that too i know it's a shared memory well the best part i gotta gosh i'm getting off tangent but this is so funny they had this fucking dog psychic on that show. A dog psychic. It was the greatest thing ever. Like it's not – it's like a dog whisperer or something, but he's also a psychic.

So he's like talking to the dog and he's like – and he looks like fucking straight into the camera. He's like, oh, the dog remembers this about his life. And it wasn't that dog's life. That dog is dead. That's so awesome. This is a new dog. It is so against all – like they can't even get their fucking mythology straight around this. It's awesome. It's so awesome. This is a new dog. It is so against all that. Like, they can't even get their fucking mythology straight around this.

It's awesome. It's so fucking awesome. But anyway. But real quick, how would that work from a, like, if you believed in souls and the souls of animals, like, your animal dies, and let's imagine that all dogs go to heaven, right? So the soul goes up to heaven. Well, if you believe in souls, you believe in some sort of something, right? But then the dog, then you clone it, and the dog's soul is like, fuck, I was in paradise. It just got ripped.

Grab it out of the sky and you like slam dunk it back into the body. What? Boom. I was just pissing on a sofa in heaven. I was eating God's slippers. This type of thing, though, I really don't know how these people get paid. I really don't know. Well, and it's to make sure that nobody from Oklahoma gets to attend an Ivy League school.

Yeah, exactly. Oh, let's see. Well, that's because they indoctrinate them. Right. Yeah, in the lefty universities. Yeah. So we're going to take a break for a moment to give you an opportunity to contact us via Facebook, Twitter, and to get in touch with us on the telephone.

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Cecil, this next story, and I've been reading about this now for some time. This is from Global Post. Nigeria's witch children find refuge at center. Children that have been branded as witches in Nigeria undergo some of the most horrific abuses that you could possibly imagine. And it comes from basically witch doctors, people who proclaim themselves to be like exercising witches and to get rid of witches and to and these children are blamed for a host of maladies. And they're they're branded as witches and they're oftentimes killed and tortured and

abandoned. And this story is fucking awful. And, you know, if you think if people people are thinking that, oh well, you know, they're just, that's because they come from a culture that's like, you know, magical or whatever. These are Christian sects. Right. These are children. And their parents and their communities are being

misled by these overzealous religious people who have financial motivations for doing this, but who use their religious power to strike fear into the hearts of whole communities, who then turn over the most vulnerable members of their society, their children, for exorcism, violent exorcisms and sometimes murder of these children, sometimes mutilations of these children. This is, you know, I put this on Facebook and Twitter and I believe this to the core of my being.

This is what's wrong with a superstitious worldview. Absolutely. This is why that shit is important. Because this does not come from a non-superstitious worldview. Absolutely. This is why that shit is important. Because this does not come from a non-superstitious worldview. You have to believe that shit first. No thinking person believes that magic exists. So they're not going to believe in a witch, right? It's just not going to happen.

So these people that believe that there's such a thing as magic, believe that there's such a thing as angels, believe that there's such a thing as retribution. The reason why they're pushing these people out of their communities is because of retribution from a God. Right. If they're doing it because they're afraid of punishment, they're afraid of this damning punishment forever. The idea of hell. The one thing that I always think about whenever I think about, you know, when people say, you know, I'm a religious, the first thing I ask is like, do you really believe in a hell?

Because hell was the first thing that really struck me as, what the fuck do you, what, what? What could you possibly do? What could you possibly do on this world that could merit an eternal punishment? There is nothing I can think of besides punishing someone eternally that could merit an eternal

punishment. It just doesn't make any sense. The only one in hell would be God? Yeah, exactly. It makes no sense. So the problem is that these people believe in a worldview where people can be punished eternally. And they're afraid of it because it's a motivating tool. And so they're being motivated to be afraid of it.

And they will choose outcasts to push out of their group, out of their society. Right. Right. It's an effective motivating tool. Absolutely. It's a very effective motivating tool. If you don't do the thing right,'ll be tortured forever that's a long that's bad i don't want to be tortured at all right right like if somebody was like tom if you don't do x i really don't even care what x is if

you don't do x uh we will torture you for 15 minutes in the cruelest way imaginable by an omniscient power. Wow. I do not want that to happen. Fuck that. I'm going to do your thing. Yeah. So these kids, this is a terrible story and this is an ongoing problem. Sure.

This isn't like a one-time thing. Oh, that's just a freak of nature. You know, you're calling all these religious people crazy and that just happens once in a while. It's just a once in a while. No no it happens all the fucking time they cut these people up and put them in medicine man yeah they fucking they kill albinos over there and fucking drink their blood like fucking ghouls like we all what the fuck world do we live in where you're killing fucking human beings to fucking protect you from fucking gods and made up shit a bad one is that the answer is. A bad one?

Is that the answer? It's a really bad one, right? A world I don't know I want to live in. I know. We can't cover this story anymore. It just makes my head... I don't understand. The witch, it's a witch, man. Listen to what you're saying.

I know. But that's the thing. It's like these pastors, they charge up to a year's salary to these families because they say that the only way that's that's how they trade that they prey on these people. So, you know, the missionaries come over and feed them this monotheistic barbarism. They adopt that into their culture. They now believe in, you know, which is heaven, hell, God, punishment, all that shit. Then these religious people, these pastors there say, well, your kid is possessed by demons. People believe that shit is fucking standard because that's the fucking bill of goods they've been sold.

Then the pastor says the only way, the only deliverance of this demon is through me. But it comes at a price. It's up to a year's salary for some of these people. So it's obvious hucksterism. So then, but what are the families that cannot afford to pay to have their kids exercised? Well, now what? Now they think they've got a fucking witch in the house. So they've got to get rid of it. So then they abandon their children.

They got a fucking witch in the house. So they got to get rid of it. So then they abandon their children. Like the cycle of cruelty and violence is unimaginable. And that to me tells me that, you know, the mission stuff that people do where they shove fucking Bibles down people's throats is a bad thing. It's not a good thing. It's not a thing. You shouldn't be, you know, while you're feeding them, you shouldn't be fucking stuffing a Bible down their throat.

Right. Because if you're going to teach them this, somebody in that fucking community is going to latch on to see that this is a way to power, and they're going to use it to the best of their ability, and they're going to use it to manipulate others, and that's what they're doing. That's all that religion really is anyway.

And if you're going to show them the trick, I mean, you're a con showing them the fucking con. You're showing them how to do three card money. Right. You definitely are. You absolutely definitely. It's a training program. Really? Yeah. Welcome. It's like watching the fucking Burger King. Welcome to Burger King video,

right? Welcome to Burger King, which is a real. So this next story also comes from addicting info. Tennessee representative says it's virtually impossible to contract AIDS through heterosexual sex. This this guy could not be a less informed person i have to i have before i even give you a chance and i know you're chomping at the bit and i don't blame you seems like he's developmentally just reading i have to read what he's actually said this is most people realize that aids came from the homosexual community he told michelangelo michangelo Signorelli, who hosts a radio program on Sirius XM OutQ. It was one guy screwing a monkey.

Right. If I recall correctly. I saw that movie. And then having sex with men. It was an airline pilot, if I recall. Right. My understanding is that it's virtually, not completely, but virtually impossible to contract AIDS through heterosexual sex. I'm glad this guy figured it out. Wow. I'm happy that this guy is a researcher and he went through all the trouble to figure

out, one, where it came from, because he's correct and it came from a guy fucking a monkey. Right, Tom? That is actually horrifyingly inaccurate. Yeah, that's not at all. That's not even remotely correct. Okay. And what about the second part of his statement here that it's virtually impossible? I can't even say it with a straight face.

It's like you can get AIDS if you have sex with somebody of the opposite sex. That explains why no women have AIDS. I know, right? Right. Because it's virtually impossible to get. Virtually. Right. That is not true.

That's just nothing you said was true it didn't come from an airline pilot fucking a monkey that's that is a fucking that's an apocryphal story you stupid piece of human debris that is a terrible thing to say you're so fucking uninformed i am very uninformed and i know more than this just listen to there's a radio lab episode called patient zero that discusses this in detail and traces it back through genetics

through DNA testing all the way back through the simian version of HIV we know we fucking know man we know right where it came from it didn't come from. Somebody having sex with a monkey.

That is a that is a that is a genuinely stupid thing to say. And anybody who would repeat that is a genuinely stupid person who ought to be put to sleep. Euthanized. I love that. It's like an airline pilot. Right. An airline because because the most promiscuous of our entire world is airline, like the people who work on airlines. Those are the most promiscuous.

Well, that's how it's spread all around the world, right? Oh, yeah, I see. He would go from port to port, so to speak, and just bang away. What is this, outbreak? What is this? What's happening here? Outbreak is more believable. It is. And it's got Dustin Hoffman. So you know outbreak what is this what's happening outbreak is more believable and it's got dustin hoffman so you know what i mean but okay so what what this guy is saying

like i want to you know obviously focusing on the you know it was a gay guy i love that he's he's saying he's like if i recall correctly which i don't right yeah if i have none of my facts right here i love that you can just say anything you want now and it doesn't even matter. Like if you're a politician and this guy is a fucking – this guy is a politician. You can come out and be like, you know what? I'm a politician. I can just say whatever the fuck I want and it doesn't matter. Nobody is going to fact check me.

Even if they do, it's going to be on a place. It's not going to be on fucking NBC. It's going to be on a place called Addicting Info that nobody's going to go to, right? Our apologies go out to Addicting Info. Like the difference is that nobody covers this anymore because it's so commonplace for these people. It's not saying that Addicting Info is a place that people don't go for their news. But at the same time, they're not getting the same hit rate that fucking CNN is. But why isn't CNN calling this fucking Tennessee guy out and saying, dude, you can get AIDS by having sex with the opposite sex?

Like this – he could make – I mean his words, his words right here could cause someone to get AIDS. Oh, absolutely, right? Because people are going to go out and be like, well, I don't have to worry about AIDS now because I'm a heterosexual person. This is also, you know, I have to feel like the way that this is phrased, what he's really saying is men won't get AIDS

from having heterosexual sex, right? I feel like that's embedded in the subtext of what he's saying here because it's so blatantly and obviously untrue. And everybody is horrifyingly aware as this pandemic has spread across the globe that men absolutely can give this virus, transmit this virus to women. And there's no question about that. So I feel like the subtext here is that men will not contract AIDS from having heterosexual sex, but who gives a fuck

what happens to women, right? Right. You know, if women get it or don't, well, fucking say LaVie. So there you go. It's just, it's just, you know, if you don't fuck a monkey, you won't get AIDS. You don't want to have AIDS. Don't fuck a monkey, you won't get AIDS. You don't want to have AIDS? Don't fuck a monkey. You're a stupid person. Not to say that fucking a monkey doesn't have its downfalls. I'm sure. I'm sure.

There are some bad things that could come. We're not saying that fucking a monkey is completely safe on this show. The foreplay alone would be killer, though. You have to dress your penis up like a banana. It's just wrong. Oh, no. Oh, God, it's so wrong. This show does not support fucking animals at all.

Yeah, kids from high school right now are listening to us talk about, yeah. Play this in your fucking civics class. Father's weep. Oh, God. I believe that the Lord God created the universe. I believe that he sent his only son to die for my sins. And I believe that ancient Jews built boats and sailed to America. I am a Mormon.

And a Mormon just gives. So this is a story from Gawker. The Romneys, I can't even understand this. The Romneys converted Mitt's dead atheist father-in-law to Mormonism. You heard that. He was dead. And they converted him to Mormonism. I am to understand that posthumous conversions are a thing for the Mormons, that they convert

people to Mormonism relatively en masse, posthumously. So you could live your whole life as a member of this faith or that faith or no faith, and then the Mormonism is just come by and be like well now you're a mormon it's the best time to do it because you don't get a lot of argument out of them right it's true there's no protest in 1995 um the church pledged to discontinue future baptisms of deceased jews because the Jewish community was understandably upset. They were like, we lived in this faith. This is our faith.

This is not a thing that you should just decide for. Look, I don't even like faith, right? Like, I have no respect for Mormonism or Judaism or Christianity or any of that. But you can't just find a guy and be like, well, I'm going to have a stand in and decide that he's a Mormon now. What an insult that is. I actually kind of hope they do it for me. Do you really?

Yeah, fucking way. Then it shows they have no idea who I was. You know what I mean? It really shows that they have no fucking clue who that person was. You know, I mean, it really shows, it really shows that they have no fucking clue who that person was that really, that, that they, that they are so superficial and, uh, that they just don't, they don't bother to get to know people. If you're, if you're taking an atheist, somebody who chose during their life, not to adopt your religion, and then posthumously saying that they're part of your religion, you have no idea what that person was about. Well, sure.

And just the idea of the size of the numbers of people that are involved, you know, I think this really belies a lack of mathematical understanding, right? posthumously baptize or convert everybody to Mormonism in order to make sure that they go to heaven because they feel that they've got a calling to sort of save the unsaved, even if the unsaved are fucking dead. First, what does that say about your God? Like your God is just like, oh, get around to it already. I've got them burning in hell. I really don't feel good about it. Can somebody please posthumously baptize these people? Come on, I can't, you know, I've got rules established here. I can't send them up to heaven until somebody pretends that they're them. And then they say a bunch of words around a corpse that's not a corpse. I've got rules here, people. But beyond that, there's billions of people, billions. If everybody took,

let's say this took 10 minutes to do, and it went on without stopping, and it took 10 minutes for all the billions of people that have died over the entire course of human history, you will never baptize all of them. There's not enough time. And I mean that like we don't have enough of the time. You will run out of time. People don't understand how big a billion is. I just I like the idea that they're just like, you know, like, look, either you convert

during your life or we convert you after death. You don't have a choice. You're going to be a Mormon. Everybody's going to be a Mormon. Doesn't matter. Have you heard the good news? No? Well, you will.

Well, you'll agree to it later. Right. Do you solemnly swear to tell truth, all truth, and nothing but the truth? Why don't you answer him? He's talking pig right now. I don't know what he's saying. He's asking you if you swear. No, but I know all the words.

He's asking you if you'll swear to tell the truth. Truth is stranger than fiction, Judge Woody. And then, Cecil, North Carolina lawmaker calls for, this is a story from ThinkProgress, calls for bringing back public hangings. And whatgress, calls for bringing back public hangings. And what does he want to bring back public hangings for? Rapists, kidnappers, and abortionists. None of which are currently even capital offenses. Where do we live?

What is happening? Don't you feel like sometimes you're in a time machine and you can't get out? It's like, I want to bring back public hangings for jaywalkers, speeders. Litterers. You made an Indian cry. I want to hang people for truancy offenses. The following people will be hanged.

Curfew violations. All of following people will be hanged. Curfew violations. All of the people will be hanged. I mean, you know, if you read this article, it's crazy. It says the last public hanging. Public nudity. All hangings will be in the nude. Anybody seeing a nude will be hung. All hangings will be in the nude.

Drunk and disorderly. Just go as low as you can. Public hangings will be in the new. Drunk and disorderly. Just go as low as you can. Public hangings for the everything. Noise violations. That's a hanging. That's a hanging. Somebody's coming by in their car and it's like,

hang that motherfucker. Get him up here. Get a rope. Hang him with his fucking speaker wire. All the squad cars will have like portable gallows yeah exactly i mean why wait why why wait tom there's no reason he says that he says why wait you know he says um you know that that all these people have uh you know that the appeals process

takes too long and that they should get all their appeals out of the way at once sure yeah let's just do let's do a mass appeal. Everybody in prison gets to make one appeal. Together, a cumulative appeal. Right. Because that's the way to get it. And obviously we know that the justice system is a perfect system. Right? This is correct, right?

Right. It is unflawed. It has never made an error. Everyone who has ever been convicted has been guilty. We know this to be a certain fact. That's not in point of fact a fact actually. That is not accurate. That's not a fact.

No. No facts included. I love that abortionists are on here. I love that he's like made it a crime and he's made it a capital crime. He's like he's like made it a crime and he's made it a capital crime. Like it didn't just like it didn't just like like work its way in where it's like, you know, OK, it's a ten thousand dollar fine and like four years in jail or whatever. No, no, no. It's past. It moved right past misdemeanor, jumped past, you know, all the felonies and is now a capital crime. Right. There's no obstacles in the way of this plan. It's not illegal anywhere else in the country. It's not even illegal in North Carolina,

but he's just going to make it a capital offense. Right. And he says that it would be a deterrent to them. The whole deterrent argument has been so thoroughly debunked. It's not a deterrent. Who is this a deterrent for? If it's a crime of passion, it's an irrational act. And so therefore, it's not a deterrent. If it's a rational act, then one has to assume that the consequences have already been weighed and the action is still undergone. And so it's not a deterrent. It's not a deterrent. History shows it's not a deterrent. I remember reading one time about, they used to do, public executions were a norm. And I was reading that the pickpockets, of course, they used to be executed because that's crazy. But they still used to execute pickpockets. And that one of the times the pickpockets were the most active was when crowds would gather to watch public executions.

See, the pickpocket thing at first, I was like, that is kind of crazy. Then I was thinking myself, I was like, yeah, but you know what's more crazy? It's executing people for something that's not a crime. That's a little more crazy, I think, than actually executing someone for something that is a crime. I think you've overstepped the bound when you're saying, you know, you're an abortionist, which is perfectly legal, by the way. I'm just calling it something that's shocking so you can make it feel like it's bad. Just using the scariest word. Yeah, I'm using the scariest word, you Darwinists.

But I'm using this terrifying word for you, but it's really not illegal at all and you can go have an abortion anywhere right now in the country. Just go have an abortion. But hell, do it after brunch. Brunch? This guy is going to publicly execute people just because they – like this guy is a fucking madman. He is. And who wants to see it? He's a lawmaker.

He makes laws. That's a law. Like the laws you have to live in. He doesn't even understand what's legal. You know, like you live and then you – like the laws. This guy is a person that makes those. Okay, so all you people, all you fans of Angry Atheist that have stuck around for this entire show

to listen to Reap. Reap is back, and we are going to talk to him here about his show. So, Reap, if you want to just introduce yourself to our listeners who might not know who you are. It's funny because I always do that to my guests. Turn about, fair play, Reap. Yeah, I know. This is payback, isn't it? My name is Reap Payton, and I do the Angry Atheist podcast and Reap So Radio, which is a live show I do every Tuesday at 3 p.m. on godlessradio.net.

It's where you can find me at. Cool. So how did you – you've been doing this for a while. I see – we've listened to your podcast. We know that you know quite a bit about interviewing people. First, what got you into this, and how long have you been doing it? I haven't been asked that question for a long time. Actually, what first got me into internet radio is I was involved in the paranormal.

Really? Yeah, as a skeptic. I was kind of a light skeptic, though. I wouldn't just get in people's faces and go you know ghosts aren't real wait they're not? god damn it yeah that's awesome

and it's funny because the paranormal and religion now the people in the paranormal will deny this and so will people believers but they have a lot

a lot in common with each other the way people believe and the reason why they believe in it so it's pretty it's pretty interesting. But the show evolved kind of and I got more into religion because I thought that atheism and organized religion, they need to be dealt with on a grander scale than ghosts. You know, ghost hunters are not – they don't do a whole lot of damage. You know what I mean?

They're dangerous. There's aspects to it that are dangerous like people who say they have a telephone they can talk to the dead people with you know it's kind of taking advantage or taking advantage of people who are when they're suffering you know when they've lost a loved one and they don't know what else to do and they're kind of at a low spot in their life and take advantage of them then i thought was kind of underhanded like sylvia brown sure yeah kind of yeah so i would i would talk about it on that scale on that aspect and kind of be critical Sure, though. You know, you think you're not going to get to the idea of ghosts with a materialist worldview, right? I mean, the two go hand in hand. They have to go hand in hand.

You know, paranormal by nature means, hey, I can't prove any of this shit is real, but I still think so. And I'm going to halfheartedly investigate it. What's ironic is even if they were to prove something paranormal was real, it wouldn't be paranormal anymore. So they wouldn't be proving in the first place. Right. You know, definitionally, it's no longer paranormal. It's now just normal. Normal. And the definition of normal has expanded now to include this naturalistic explanation, which has been developed.

It's absurd. You can't possibly have a paranormal experience that you've then proven out scientifically and still have it maintain its status as a paranormal experience. Exactly right. It's kind of self-defeating. Right. You're not a cryptozoologist once you find Bigfoot, right? You found him, now you're just a zoologist. Man, that Bigfoot thing is crazy right there. I just don't get the Bigfoot thing at all. You know, Bigfoot would have to be like supernatural. It would have to be, there'd

have to be a whole bunch of them if it was going to survive or it would have to be a supernatural being. Sure, it'd have to have lived for so long at this point yeah and avoided lightning strikes and trees falling on its head and tripping and falling and breaking this leg you know never once has that ever happened and every guy with a gun ever that's wandered through the woods yeah people where deer hunter orange gets shot for crying out loud exactly you know maybe they're bulletproof people haven't you know maybe they haven't considered that they're bulletproof Bigfoot. They're like, it's made out of Kevlar. They'd have to consider that.

At this point, they'd have to consider that because they'd have to live a hell of a long time. And it would have to be able to avoid any kind of natural accident that might happen to it, disease, anything. Either you have a breeding population or you have a mutant. Those are your two options. So you're doing the Angry Atheist show and Reap So Radio. What are your goals with these shows? You said you moved away from the paranormal and into this new avenue, the more religiously critical shows. And what is it you're hoping to accomplish with them?

shows and what is it you're hoping to accomplish with them? Well, I think all I'm hoping to accomplish is if one person, you know, and I'll get an email every once in a while that'll keep me going. But if I can get one person to give a second thought to organized religion and how it's how it's affecting just everyone, you know, even I don't think we even understand how strongly it's affecting us, even when we say, oh, you know, just let them have their religious beliefs. It's okay. Well, they're still affecting us because those people are still making decisions based on fantasy. And even if they're not saying it out loud, those decisions are still being made based on the same fantasy beliefs, you know, beliefs and just things that aren't even true.

So if I can help to stop that in any way, shape, or form, even my one little bit, then I'm cool. Plus, I enjoy doing the radio anyways. It's just fun to talk to people. I've met an incredible amount of people doing this, especially the Angry Atheist podcast to talk with somebody one-on-one for an hour. Yeah, it's fun to do. You can get different perspectives from everyone. It's amazing how different atheists are, but we've all got this one thing that kind of links us. What's been your favorite interview? I mean, obviously, we've been, you know, your favorite interview. I guess I'd ask that right here.

Like, what, you know, I mean, obviously you've had a lot of great shows that you've done, but, you know, what's one that sticks out? What's one that, you know, if you were going to tell our listeners to go and listen to, you know, one of your shows to, to really get sort of the heart of your show, which one would you point them to? Oh, it's tough because there's been good ones. I'm going to have to say, um, I'm going to have to say Matthew Chapman was probably the one I enjoyed the most. He was just a really good guy. I talked to him. I liked him a lot. And I've met, I met him in person in San

Francisco and he is just a really, um, honest, straightforward, just kind of really mellow guy and smart and just fun to talk to. But I have – he's not the – I couldn't point – I couldn't say that this is the one I like the most. But I had to pick one. I'd pick him just because I think I guess kind of connected with the movie. You don't like all of your other guests. I'll tell them all. Yeah. I mean –

Actually, I hate them. I hate them all all. Yeah. Actually, I hate them. I hate them all equally. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. So if somebody was going to try to find your show, Reap, where would they go? Well, I managed to snag the domain name godlessradio.net. So I'm going to put everything that I'm doing under that one domain name.

And you'll be able to find anything that I'm doing, my blog, both shows. I'm doing another show called American Heathen. I'm doing a co-host spot on that for the foreseeable future. So you'll be able to find everything at godlessradio.net, which is kind of cool. Our podcast is really sort of aimed at people we think that are really sort of entrenched in the skeptic and atheist community, people that don't really need to be convinced. Do you think your show is one of those shows that is sort of preaching to the choir, so to speak, or is it a show that is for people that are on the fence too? Yeah, you know, that's interesting because I think about that a lot because I think that there's a lot of times where we are just preaching to the

choir, so to speak, and I've made an effort to try and keep it so that I'm not doing atheism all the time on Reap So Radio. You know, the Angry Atheist, it's got its focus, that's what it's doing on ReapSo Radio. I'll change it up, I'll do weird news, I'll do just things, if something pisses me off. It's kind of my outlet, if you will. So I could cover anything. I think that helps keep me

available to believers sometimes. If I can get them, sucker them in, if you will. So it's interesting stuff or funny stuff. I try and keep the humor at my side, believers sometimes like if i can get them sucker them in if you will you know some of this interesting stuff or funny stuff i try and keep the humor at my inside you know because i think you need to laugh or you're sure cry all the time yeah but i think that helps keep me there and i also write a blog for a paranormal site still too called eye on the paranormal oh cool so you're still kind of involved in that community then yeah because it is something that needs to be

paid attention to i mean these ghost people it's good to have fun and go ghost hunting and do that, but there's still some aspects to that that are kind of ugly and just as ugly as religion, you know, the way that people get treated and managed of. Yeah, there's cons in that sort of thing. And one of the things I think that propagates that is there's so many shows nowadays that have these, you know, celebrity ghost stories and all these ghost hunters and all these people that are like fact and faked where they don't even really test anything. But they make it seem like it's science-y enough so that they're proving the paranormal. But they're not even proving anything. They're just proving that there's a lot of hucksters out there.

It's like all the accoutrement of science with none of the discipline. We're using the scientific method. of the discipline. We're using the scientific method, you know? They always remind me of Egon walking around with that thing with the two little wands that stick out and beeps and lights flash and it's like that's not a thing.

What is that? What are you doing? They got what's called a paranormal puck. It's supposed to translate ghosts talking to you. It's supposed to translate. It's like a speaking spell. No, it's not. That's what it is. Are you making this up? I am not making this up. That can't be real.

I got some links I'm going to send you guys after we're done. Holy shit, that's outrageous. Yeah, it's called a paranormal puck. I'm getting seven of them. That's fucking awesome. I have a telephone that's supposed to talk to the dead. It's called a telephone that talks to the dead. It's called a telephone that talks... What should we name this telephone that's supposed to talk to the dead. It's called a telephone that talks to the dead. It's called a telephone that talks to the dead?

What should we name this telephone that talks to the dead? You what? Hold on. You paid what? She paid $500 for this. And what it is is it's a radio that has had a couple of the circuits cut on it so that it scans back and forth on the AM FM frequencies. Are you fucking kidding me? And pareidolia makes you think you hear something once in a while

there are people who sit in their houses and literally talk to this thing all day long i would fucking market that thing as an i-corps and be like done with it that's fantastic they charge for readings because i had a lady who was actually fell for this for a while and then snapped out of it and she was pissed so she sent me the recordings of her readings, and she paid hundreds of dollars per hour. Oh, no. The guy's name is Chris Moon, and he's out of Colorado. He was marketing this telephone that talks to the dead. I think now he's a psychic because these paranormal people, they get amazing powers every day.

They get new amazing powers. It's like the X-Men gone crazy. That's fucking incredible. Now I'm depressed, too. powers. It's like the X-Men gone crazy. That is that's fucking incredible. Now I'm depressed too. Now I'm depressed. Thanks. Well, thanks for joining us today, Reap. And we hope that our listeners

check out your show. You can check them out on godlessradio.net. Thanks again for joining us, Reap. Thanks for having me, guys. Appreciate it. Thank you. So, we got a lot of email and contact and interaction through Facebook, and we do appreciate all of it. One of the things that we did this last week, which we want to talk a little bit about, was Skeptic Camp. Cecil and I are from the Chicago area, and Chicago Skeptics had a recent event, Skeptic Camp, and we were not able to attend it.

Cecil and I were both out of town, so neither one of us was able to actually go. But we did chat a little bit with one of the organizers, Jeff, and we were able to send a flyer and a little donation to Skeptic Camp. And we're hoping the event went very well from all indications, Cecil. It looks like from the groups on Facebook that everything went great. Yeah. And if you've made it this far into the podcast, Skeptic Campers, you're here to stay now. Now you're ours. We have your soul at this point.

Actual soul not included. No actual soul. Soul. No, but if you did go to Skeptic Camp and you're listening because you heard about us, thanks. And we hope that the event went off well. And we hope to be there next year. Absolutely. Because one of the things that I mentioned to Jeff was I'd like to go next year.

And he said the donations that they received this year, you know, ours and others, will help make sure that it happens next year. So that's great. And I'm looking forward to it next year to go over and meet some local skeptics. And if you do meet us in person, remember, I'm the one with a face for radio. I'm the one with the body for radio. I'm the one with a body for a forklift. Are you kidding me? Mommy, why is that man eating a whole watermelon?

I don't know, son. He unhinged his jaw. Don't those belong in water? They look so ungainly upon the land. Oh, man. We also got an email from Nick. Nick, I love the title of your email. Best podcast or

bestest podcast? I'll go bestest. I'll go bestest on that one. That's a good one. I don't know that either one of them fits, but you can see. Yeah, but if those are my options. If those are my options, though. Okay.

I'm going big, you know? Okay. And Nick, you also sent us a link to a remote viewing thing. Learn remote viewing, it says. I think that's great. We will probably be talking about that on a later episode, so we're not going to go through the link in detail right now. Needless to say, I have not yet learned. I looked at it, but I did it remotely.

I was sitting at home and I clicked a link and I remotely viewed the link that you sent. And it was actually – it worked perfectly. I actually do a lot of remote viewing. I hold my remote. I turn on the TV. I view the fucking TV. Remote viewing. It's not that fucking hard.

What do you have to learn? One of the, one of the great things about this doing this podcast is the breadth of people that we reach Tom. And I've got to say one of the, one of the emails, you know how Lois sort of made our week last week, this email,

I think made our week this week. And it's a, it's an email from Kristen. And now I know Kristen's dad. I went to high school with Kristen. Jeez, I'm old enough to know somebody who's in high school's dad. But anyway, I know John. He's a fan of the show.

He was a big fan. Everyone's a critic, and he's a fan of Cognitive Dissonance. He calls us up on occasion. Really great guy, funny guy. Went to high school with him and worked with him after high school, so we know each other pretty well. His daughter, I guess he turned his daughter on to listen to the podcast, and she said that she listens to it in school now. Well, she said not only that, but that she wrote a summary of an episode for extra credit. I love it.

I love that somebody got a credit for listening to it. Mostly this would earn you a demerit of some sort. Yeah, it should. They should take your iPod away and tell you never to use it again. Right. They just smash that thing against the ground. Actually, she enlisted a whole group of people, four or five of them. It's a whole cadre of them.

Right. It's like a fucking – That's actually more fans than I thought we had in total. In total. Right. But it turns out that we have more fans in this school than I thought we had ever. Finally, I'm cool. Finally, I'm cool.

I know. I'm cool in high school, man. No, but one of the awesome things is like the list of these people, they're as young as 16 or 15, I guess, because sophomores are on this list. Right. I mean, I think that's a terrible idea. How dare you? I think I have a bad idea too. Actually, we do talk about a lot of stuff. I think that is the current events. How dare you? I think I have a bad idea too. But, you know, hey. Actually, you know, we do talk about a lot of stuff I think that is, you know, the current events.

She's talking about current events. One of her classes is in current events. Contemporary world problems I guess is what it's called. And she uses this. And this, you know, we do talk a lot about contemporary world problems. Religion is the contemporary world problem we normally rally against. I heard there are some problems right now. So, yeah, it was great to get this email, though.

I really enjoyed it. And Kristen, and we're going to say all your names here. Kristen Calvin Shalaya, is that it? I have no idea. I have no idea how to say that. Sorry. Shahela? Shahela.

I'm going to say it's Shahela. Okay. Brandon, Austin, and Anthony, thank you for listening. And please don't tell your parents that you listen to this show. Absolutely not. Except for Kristen. You could tell John because it don't tell your parents that you listen to this show. Absolutely not. Except for Kristen. You could tell John because it doesn't matter. We got another email from Lois.

This one made me laugh too. I love this email. I'm just going to go ahead and read it. Dear guys, I've been practicing for when they stick me in a nursing home. First of all, I love the idea of somebody practicing for it. They're like doing like chin-ups. First of all, I love the idea of somebody practicing for it. They're doing chin-ups. I see a picture of this whole elderly Rocky montage.

Right, exactly. Punching a pot roast. When they change my diaper or wipe the applesauce off my chin, I want to say in a pleasant and sincere voice, your help is fucking greatly appreciated. She signs off Grandma Lois. Thank you for listening, Lois. We're just tickled that you listened. We think it's great. And we'd love to get an email from you,

so please send it. We also got an email from Cecilia. Cecilia is in Spain and had a comment about the cancer gun. It turned out that the cancers as a follow-up were benign tumors. It was like a benign tumor gun from a previous episode.

I love that. I love that idea. It's like a... No, it just shoots benign tumors out of it at you. Right, and it's like globs. Just like, ah. That's just disgusting.

Now I got to change my shirt, you asshole. That's so goddamn gross. That is disgusting. Food fight! Worst water balloons ever. Oh, I know. One of my favorite parts of this email, though,

because you talk about the Bidyan cancer gun, and then it also says at the bottom, Cecilia says, also, since I heard the introduction of Hispanic as a race when dealing with the U.S., you guys know that's a mixed up, made up race, right? Like it's not a real – because it's a mixture between European and Native American. She's like, what the hell is Hispanic? Brown-colored skin. The answer would be yes.

I know it was made up by the census department. It is because I was talking to Tom earlier and I was saying that right now – I don't know if you've ever run into this and I know Tom said that he has run into this. When people say Mexican, they actually feel like it's a swear word of some sort. Like it's almost like a racial slur. It's a racial slur. You're like, you Mexican? Like no, Mexico is a place and you can be Mexican. It's OK to be Mexican.

Yeah, it's OK. It's actually racist to assume that that's racist. Like that would be – to look at somebody and be like somebody from the country of Mexico is Mexican. That is not an insult. That is a descriptor. To call them Hispanic just seems – it just seems like – like to call a group of people together like that is just – it's just such a sterile term. Hispanic just seems – I don't know. Yeah, it seems like brown-colored skin.

It does. It just seems ridiculous. Seems, I don't know. Yeah, it seems like brown-colored skin. It does. It just seems ridiculous. You would call, I think you would call, you would call anybody from, like, I guess, south of America Hispanic. South of United States of America. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Right? Like, if you're not Canadian or from, like, Maryland. U.S., yeah, from Maryland.

Anywhere from a certain area south in the United States too, yeah. I don't think we have anything else, Tom. I think we're done. I think we are. Sadly, sadly we're done. We can't annoy you further. But we can at least play for you the skeptics' creed and we'll leave you again for another week.

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