Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 329: Lashes for Some...

Episode Date: December 5, 2016

We had the honor of having Dan Arel on the show last week. Unfortunately, due to technical difficulties we lost the recording. Thankfully Dan was super cool and understanding and agreed to come back o...n the show in January. Tom and Cecil cover some of the stories they recorded with Dan from his blog Danthropology.  Stories:  Check out info on our live show with GAM in Chicago:

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This show is brought to you by AdamandEve.com. Go to AdamandEve.com for a limited time only. You'll get 50% off just about any item. Go to AdamandEve.com and use the code GLORY at checkout. That's GLORY, G-L-O-R-Y, at AdamandEve.com. Hey, this is Desert Dave. I'm watching episode number 320-something, 328. And I was listening to the self-healing
Starting point is 00:00:26 thing, and you guys didn't get it. What it is is you go in there, and they beat the fuck out of you, and you're laying on the floor, and you're like, I need a doctor, and they're like, heal yourself. That's the self-healing part. Ta-da. AMF. Hey, guys. I was just listening to episode 327, and you were talking about the having a repair guy in your home and him saying something racist. But I have, like, just the opposite problem. I am the repair guy, and find myself in people's homes when they're saying this crazy racist shit
Starting point is 00:00:58 and have no recourse. I can't do anything because otherwise I'll, like, lose my fucking job. What were you holding? Hey, Tom. Hey, Cecil. I was just thinking about this. This is Matthew from Justice, Illinois, now Willow Springs, Illinois. But anyways, I'm retired Navy. And one of the things that they do for presidents is they name aircraft carriers after presidents. Think about that. The USS Donald Trump aircraft carrier. Fuck us, right? Bye. Be advised that this show is not for children, the faint of heart,
Starting point is 00:01:42 or the easily offended. The explicit tag is there for a reason. Recording live from Glory Hole Studios in Chicago, this is Cognitive Dissonance. Every episode we blast anyone who gets in our way. We bring critical thinking, skepticism, and irreverence to any topic that makes the news, makes it big, or makes us mad. Oh, we got a drum roll. I wanted to hit because we're going to be on Dogma Debate later on today. We are.
Starting point is 00:02:33 And the last time David Smalley was in studio, he was like a fucking bull in the china shop. He was banging into the fucking table every three seconds. You know, for such a big deal, he had small manners. And I'm surprised he could even reach the table. We had that booster seat for him. He was sitting on a stack of phone books. Come on, guys. This is going to air the day after we appear on Dogma Debate.
Starting point is 00:02:57 We're going to be on the last hour of batting cleanup. So clean it up at the glory hole today. Sloppy 23rds. I don't know. Hey, I'm still in there. I'm still in the game, buddy. I've got that video bookmarked. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:03:13 Oh, God. After the first fucking Baker's dozen, you just got to call that shit a night. I feel like somebody's done everything I've got planned. Well, the thing is, the first baker's dozen, there's plenty of batter in there already. That's so disgusting. That's so disgusting. I'll tell you what,
Starting point is 00:03:39 that's definitely a team Danish moment. We haven't even gotten two minutes in this. You didn't even finish the intro. Oh, God. That's amazing. That's also horrifying in every way. Episode 329.
Starting point is 00:03:54 Episode 329 is what this is. Yeah, welcome, Matt. Yeah, you can listen to it now. So we had a snafu. I wouldn't. We had Dan Errol on, and we recorded a great hour with Dan. It really was very good. I mean, it was a really good hour.
Starting point is 00:04:09 Even for our show, it was good. Not only did we cover some of the stuff that he had done on his blog, but then we also talked about his book that came out, The Secular Activist, a how-to manual for protecting the wall between church and state. And we interviewed him about his book and about his blog. And our machine broke. for protecting the wall between church and state. And we interviewed him about his book and about his blog. And our machine broke. We recorded. It was recording fine. And then when I went to eject the card,
Starting point is 00:04:33 it was zero, zero all the way across. This has never happened to me before. I know. Yeah, we say that all the time. Right before I ejected. I had a premature ejection. Again, this has never happened to me before. Turns out that was lost to the world. We didn record it we didn't have a backup so uh so i sent dan a message we're gonna have dan back on in
Starting point is 00:04:51 january we're very apologetic dan was totally cool about it but we uh we instead what we're gonna do today is talk about the same articles that we talked about with dan we're just gonna do it with just the two of us instead because we can make it if we try we can you know so we'll massage the prostate we'll get it back to where it was just the two of us instead because we can make it if we try. We can, you know, so we'll massage the prostate. We'll get it back to where it was and then we'll record it. It'll never be like it was. Not after the first Baker's dozen. That's not snapping back into place.
Starting point is 00:05:20 You got to tag in an undocumented worker. You just go to Home Depot and grab a couple of – When there's 24 people lined up, they're all undocumented. All right. So, Tom, why don't we get started with a couple of articles from Dan's blog. Dan does the blog Danthropology at Patheos. Let's get started with the minority Trump one. Yeah, let's talk about this.
Starting point is 00:05:44 So minority – I love just the way this is being phrased now he says he didn't coin this term but i think it's beautiful minority president-elect trump i love that that's great uh claims millions of people voted illegally um so now the millions of illegal voters claim um i know we talked about this before but that that is circulated based on an InfoWars Facebook tweet article. It's garbage, made-up nonsense. There was no evidence to say that millions of voters voted. And let's talk about how that even happens. So let's speak specifically to Illinois.
Starting point is 00:06:19 So in Illinois, we have a roll system. Now, I don't know what they have in every state, so I don't want to talk about every state because I know every state is a little bit different. But I think most are fundamentally similar, so we can use this kind of as an example, right? I know in a lot of states, it's more strict than Illinois, right? More strict on the voting? More strict on who you are because when I walked in to vote this time, I walked up directly to the guy. The guy said, do you have ID? And I looked right at him.
Starting point is 00:06:44 I said, I don't need ID. Here's my name. And then he looked at me like I was growing horns on my head. And both of us just stared at each other for about a minute until he finally just started flipping through the ballots. But he had asked me for ID. And I'm just like, I don't need to give it. And I had the ID within reach in my pocket. I could have easily pulled it out.
Starting point is 00:07:01 But it's a principal issue for me. I think voter id is a vote tax you don't need that we don't need to have that and the reason why we don't need to have that is because uh is because it's a role system like we said if somebody comes in and takes my vote then there's going to be some problems right then there's going to be some issues then there then we can tell if there's voter fraud because they gave away my ballot my ballot is specific to me so if they give away my ballot i'll know when specific to me. So if they give away my ballot, I'll know. When I come in later and somebody says, oh, we already got Cecil's ballot.
Starting point is 00:07:29 Cecil's ballot was already given out. Well, now there's a fucking problem. Right. And there has to be some sort of investigation. And there's a resolution. There's a resolution. They're not going to take them both. There's a lot of processes involved in here.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Right. So let's talk about why that can't happen in numbers. It can make it happen onesies, twosies, maybe, for somebody who's an undocumented person in the country. But in order for you to fake a vote, right, first of all, you're risking a federal offense. So let's say I'm an undocumented or illegal immigrant, right? I'm risking a federal offense. So it's a really high, like, the punishment,
Starting point is 00:08:01 the potential drawback, the risk versus reward, it does not make any sense, right? The risk is enormous. So it's a federal offense. I'm risking that. I'm risking deportation, right? So I'm here. I care enough that I want to affect the election.
Starting point is 00:08:14 I want to stay, but I'm at a risk of federal offense. And then how am I going to do it? The only way that I can think to do it is to know with reasonable certainty that you know who's on the registration or the role, rather, at a specific polling place. So you get assigned a polling place based on where you live, right? In Illinois. Yeah, again, I don't want to speak for the whole country. I can only speak for where I have voted. In Illinois, my polling place is across the street from my house. That's it.
Starting point is 00:08:42 That's where I get to vote. And I moved several times this year. Yeah. So my polling place. Sometimes not by choice. You know, I leave when I'm asked. But I moved several times this year. So I actually had to drive all the way back to where I had lived way back at the beginning of the year.
Starting point is 00:09:03 You had to follow the trail of tears? I know. No, man, they weren't tears. Tears of joy? Yeah, right? So I had to go all the way back to where I owned some property, let's say. Where your 40 acres and a mule is? It turns out I had 58% of my vote still lives in that area.
Starting point is 00:09:32 So I went back to where I used to live in order to vote because that's where I appear on the roll. So if I'm an undocumented immigrant or whatever, and I want to vote, I have to know the name of somebody that's going to appear on that roll. It's not like they just say, what's your name? Okay, great. You can vote. We'll just write it down that you came here. You just have to know your neighbor or whatever. Like your neighbor is –
Starting point is 00:09:54 But let's say I did. Let's say I said, you know, I'm Bob Johnson, right? I'm going to say I'm Bob Johnson, but I better be goddamn sure that Bob Johnson is registered in the place because, like, for example, I'm not registered where I live. I'm registered 17 miles away from where I live. So somebody, like, let's say your next door neighbor goes and says, Tom's not going to vote. I'll go to the polling place.
Starting point is 00:10:12 And they walk in and they say, I'm Tom. And they say, well, we don't have a Tom. Exactly. Now there's some awkward questions and you're risking federal offense and deportation in order to do this. It doesn't make any sense, right? So, again, the risk-reward doesn't make sense. And if they're willing to trade their vote to you, or, you know, like actually, like I were to say to you,
Starting point is 00:10:27 Tom, I'm not going to vote this time. You can have my vote, and you walk in and say, I'm Cecil, and they give you your ballot, and you're on your way. Sure. Why wouldn't I just go and vote if that's the case? It doesn't make, it's simple, right? I'm willing to risk a federal offense because once they capture you, right, you're going to say, hey, well, I asked him, and he said yes,
Starting point is 00:10:44 and now there's two people involved. Why would anyone do this? It doesn't make any sense. And this idea that 3 million people came out, whatever the number was, came out and voted illegally, it just doesn't make any sense. Does it ever happen? I'm sure occasionally it happens,
Starting point is 00:11:02 but you know how many times it happened? One time they caught like one or two people. It was two people. They were both Trump supporters. Right. Yeah. And they weren't undocumented. They were just people who tried to vote twice.
Starting point is 00:11:11 Exactly. They went to another polling place. The number of instances that have actually been verified is in the dozens. Very small. And the thing is, it's not over a year's span. Yeah. And we're talking about the thing I think we want to talk about here is that the president-elect, the minority president-elect, is
Starting point is 00:11:28 publishing these things on Twitter with literally no proof whatsoever. He's just saying a thing out loud. Right. Which is crazy. And he's getting thousands and thousands of people behind him that are saying, yeah, those damn dirty illegals, they all voted extra
Starting point is 00:11:43 because the president said it's true. Yeah, right. I mean, everything he says is fire in a crowded theater now. I mean, he should have responsibility for the things he says to at least have some modicum of truth to them. It clearly did not bother him
Starting point is 00:12:00 during the election cycle, right? He just made shit up. I mean, I don't care what side you're on. You have to recognize that, right? He just made a lot of shit up during the election cycle, right? He just made shit up. I mean, I don't care what side you're on. You have to recognize that, right? He just made a lot of shit up during the election cycle. His truth-o-meter thing on the PolitiFact was like, it was crazy. It was like, he was like the fifth
Starting point is 00:12:13 from the bottom in terms of truthiness or whatever, you know, to borrow a phrase. In the truthiness category, he was fifth from the bottom from PolitiFact's fact-checking, right? So clearly that's not something that bothers him. But like you said, now he's the president or president-elect, minority president-elect. So his words have more weight, right? And there are going to be people
Starting point is 00:12:35 who just believe what the minority president-elect says because of his authority, right? So their argument from authority is a thing for a reason. It's problematic, but people still do it, right? So their argument from authority is a thing for a reason. It's problematic, but people still do it. Yeah. Right. So, you know, he's going to tweet something like that out and there's going to be lots of people are like, well, the fucking president said it. Yeah. And that's that. And that's got to be a real thing. Right. Yeah. That's that's a scary fucking thing. You know, and I want to talk for a minute about why I think Trump would do something like this. I think Trump would. Trump knows this isn't true, right? I think he knows it's not true,
Starting point is 00:13:07 or at least he knows there's no evidence for it, right? I mean, he has to know that InfoWars is not a credible source of information, like a screenshot or some shit. Like, that's not a credible source of information. But what he's doing is he is crazily, as the winner of a presidential election, still trying to position himself as an underdog, right?
Starting point is 00:13:27 Yeah. He's still trying to position himself as the man against whom most are aligned because that way he is the great and powerful Oz, right? He gets to be the guy who is overcoming all the obstacles. He gets to be the guy who cannot be stopped. He's this outsider juggernaut. And he's going to lose the outsider juggernaut role now that he is ensconced in this position of power and authority because you can't be an outsider once you're already in. still appear to be the underdog against whom the forces of the media and everything else are aligning against and who he pushes back on because people love an underdog story, right? He gets to be the bad news bearer's president.
Starting point is 00:14:14 And in a lot of ways, he is. He already is. There's some truth to that. He already is. I mean, even though he's a fucking billionaire. He's a billionaire white guy. He's a billionaire game show host who fucking won the presidency right but the fact of the matter remains he is a fucking he's the bad news bears man he proved everybody wrong he came up he came up to on you know nine
Starting point is 00:14:38 innings you know they were they were losing and he had a grand slam in the fucking last inning and he won the game he did and he absolutely he absolutely did. There's no doubt about that. You can't get past that as much as I'd like to. But the thing is, is that you also got to look at, too, here's a guy who said the whole time the election is rigged. This is rigged. It's all rigged. It's all rigged.
Starting point is 00:14:54 It's all rigged. Setting himself up to fail, but then also blaming the system if it fails. Yeah, right. But now he hedged. Now he won. And now he's still saying it's rigged. So why don't I shift gears here? Because we want to talk a little bit about the other thing that he had said this week. Now he won, and now he's still saying it's rigged. So why don't I shift gears here?
Starting point is 00:15:09 Because we want to talk a little bit about the other thing that he had said this week. This is a quote directly from Donald Trump's Twitter. Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag. If they do, there must be consequences, perhaps a loss of citizenship or a year in jail. I hate the way you sound right now. I hate the way you sound so bad. Is that close? I don't think I'll ever get hard again.
Starting point is 00:15:29 It's not close. Jesus Christ, man. So that's just insane. Let's think about what he just said there, right? So, all right, the flag burning issue is a settled issue, right? Like we have a constitutional right to burn the flag. It's free speech. It's been settled. So now it's like he just wants to fucking upturn that apple cart as if he even can. Yeah. Right. Which he can't,
Starting point is 00:15:49 but I guess a case he could, he could bring up another amendment. He could bring up an amendment that's not going to help, or, you know, he could bring the issue up so that somebody shepherds a case through the Supreme court again, I guess maybe, but then this insanity, this piece of insanity, if they do, there must be consequences. And I love his potential consequences. My favorite part. Yeah. Perhaps loss of citizenship.
Starting point is 00:16:11 Yeah. Or year in jail. That's like, that's like, well, what do I get to pick? Like, well, first of all, we don't strip people of their citizenship. I know we talked about a little bit about it. We'll talk about Dan Errol. There's a possibility that you do for certain crimes, but they're few and far between. Right.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Like, you can commit treason. Yeah. Like, you can actually commit actual treason. And not be stripped. And you don't get stripped. You can be a child murderer, right? Yeah. Like, name the worst thing.
Starting point is 00:16:36 Yeah. I mean, it's not like before we killed Gacy. Right. He killed 42 young boys and fucking strangled them, fucked them, and buried them in his fucking basement. He still died an American citizen. Exactly. Before they stuck the fucking juice in him, they didn't look at him
Starting point is 00:16:50 and be like, by the way, you're not an American citizen anymore. And they pulled a fucking American flag badge off of him and they stuck him full of poison. No, he died an American citizen. It's not like Sons of Anarchy where you still have your tattoo and they burn it off of you. They should have had the tattoo on Gacy, on a giant American flag, and then burn it off of him.
Starting point is 00:17:11 They could capture a guy. We're going to get an email and be like, that's cruel and unusual punishment, guys. You know, we have an amendment that says we can't. I know, it's a joke, it's a joke, it's all a joke. What is wrong with you people? I do want to say, though, that I think that this is a smokescreen. I do not think that he is doing this on purpose so that people will—he doesn't care about this. What he cares about is making the protesters look like jerks.
Starting point is 00:17:39 How do you make the protesters look like jerks? Burn a bunch of flags so you look un-American. How do you get them to burn a bunch of flags? Tell them you hate it a lot. Oh, God, I think that's probably good strategy. Just tell them you hate it a lot. You've got to give them this. He's a good strategizer.
Starting point is 00:17:54 Exactly. His strategizing is pretty solid. Instead, just go get a Confederate flag and say, this represents you more anyway, bro. Oh, that's a good idea. That's a great idea. Burn the fuck out of the Confederate flags. Burn those Confederate flags.
Starting point is 00:18:06 Fucking wrap it into a fucking vagina and fuck it and cum in it. That's what you should do first. Just because that's what happened to the South when the North took them. We wrapped them around our cock and we fucked them and we came in them. We came in them and then we burnt it down. It's really hard to burn once you've come in it, though, isn't it? Well, it depends on how much semen you have in there. Fucking juicy.
Starting point is 00:18:27 Yeah, it could be a little juicy. You can just use an accelerant. Actually, that whole experience sounds really weird and unpleasant. I'm still game. I'm still good at this. As long as it talks like a southern bell, I guess. Can we get a silk flag so it's nice and smooth and not chafey? It's got to be smooth.
Starting point is 00:18:42 I'd be worried, like, oh, man, that's chafey yeah you catch it catch the edge of a star wrong 35 seconds in that thing i got a grommet oh god i hit the grommet fuck actually that's where i put it yeah i guess i mean that's about it's used to a quarter inch string so i had plenty of room i invited a friend we met in the middle. No, but seriously, that's what I think he's doing. I think he specifically wrote this thing. We finger-cuffed America? And for the United States of America to put the power of the federal government and all of its money and resources behind this transgender movement,
Starting point is 00:19:21 it is just nothing short of insanity. So this story comes from the Patheos blog, specifically the Friendly Atheist blog. Homeschooling Christian mother can't handle her son seeing a male cover girl. Evidently a chola cover girl, by the way. My goodness.
Starting point is 00:19:38 I don't know. It's like caterpillars on the face there. Those are some eyebrows. I'll tell you what. That looks real. Give me the big picture again. Look at that. That is real. I've never seen anything look. Those are some eyebrows. I'll tell you what. That looks real. Give me the big picture again. Look at that. That is real. I've never seen anything look more real than those eyebrows. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:50 So whatever. So there's this guy, and evidently he's on Instagram or something, and he's a makeup artist. And he paints himself up to look all Purdy-like. And CoverGirl was like, yeah, great. Be on our ad. Yeah. And so they had him on the ad, right?
Starting point is 00:20:04 Yeah. And there's no story there. Who cares? Actually, there is kind of a story there. I was in the other room the other night. I was away. My wife was watching TV and I heard her say, oh, that's awesome. And I stopped and I was like, what? And she's like, watch this commercial. Oh, and it was this? It was this commercial. Ha! That's awesome.
Starting point is 00:20:23 That's awesome. How inclusive. How cool yeah there's yeah so there's the story so there's some people out there who see this this person on this cover girl commercial and they're like wow how neat is that they are being inclusive just like when um uh when there's you know a gay couple on an insurance commercial or something right you're like oh wow, that's novel because it's starting to become accepted. Right. Well, let me read what this mom wrote on her blog or what have you. I want to read this. I'm anxious to hear it.
Starting point is 00:20:53 My son watched this commercial while I wasn't paying any attention. Because it was just a CoverGirl commercial, I didn't think I would need to cover the screen. That's weird right there, right? Could you imagine the mom's like holding... Oh, my God! Oh, my God! She wants to get some on TV! She's just got like a screen cover. Moving her arms as fast as she can to try to cover. She's covering his eyes. Don't look, don't look. Yeah. There's a side boob. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:21:14 all right. I'm gonna, okay, that's, mom, just get out of the, mom, it's 2016. I can go to my friend's house with the internet. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Like, you're not hiding me from a CoverGirl commercial. The shit I've seen, mom. The shit I've seen. You don't know where I've been, Lou. Once you have the internet, it's like all bets are off. Someone is fisting a mule. Right?
Starting point is 00:21:37 And you're bored. That's the thing. You're just like, scroll, scroll, scroll. What else is on Reddit? It's like scroll, scroll, scroll. What else is on Reddit? We are at an age where a cover girl ad on TV, you're just like, yeah, no. You're going to need to do a lot more for me than that. Unless Katy Perry is fucking Yoda, I don't even care at this point.
Starting point is 00:21:58 It's like I don't even care. How many tentacles does this cover girl ad have? It's not six. And if their tentacles don't look like perfect little lashes, I'm not looking. I'm not even going to look anymore. Okay, so she didn't cover the screen. Yeah, right. I was preoccupied speaking with David, my husband.
Starting point is 00:22:18 Both of us were caught off guard. Hey, hey, your partner. Come on now. Both of us were caught off guard. We didn't know how to answer. I don't know why, but the most logical thing we could logical, that is a fucking word. She should just excise from her vocabulary. Right. But the most logical we could think of, think of at that moment, that's crazy was to say, no, that's a girl.
Starting point is 00:22:44 The commercial come on a second time, but undeniably it's a guy. Now we knew we had to talk about it. Dun, dun, dun. And that's their problem. I was thinking about this article, right? Like what they're mad about is the two parts that matter, right, is covering the screen, shit, now I got to talk about it. So I'm trying to raise my kid in a bubble, right?
Starting point is 00:23:08 I'm trying to raise my kid. I need to curate the world for my child. Right. And look, you know, we all do that to some degree, right? Like I don't let my kids coming up on 10, right? So I don't let them watch a lot of X-rated porn. Like I really limit his porn time to no more than two to three hours a day. You can only watch
Starting point is 00:23:26 Pizza Man porn. It's just the sausage delivery guy. That's all he gets to watch. Well, there's a hole in the pizza. He's 10, so I make him watch
Starting point is 00:23:37 porn with a story. He's got to write a book report. And they all live happily ever after after they got coat hanger abortions. Okay, so this is what happens when a man and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and another man, two midgets, all love each other very much. For a half an hour. For a half an hour.
Starting point is 00:24:10 Yeah. That sounds like Game of Thrones porn, actually. Fast forward through the story. Game of Bones. Game of Bones. Game of Bones. Somebody's going to send us the Game of Bones. It's like, all right, all right, here's the meat, cute, and his pants are off.
Starting point is 00:24:27 Great, all right, here we go. And onward. You only show him censored porn stories, so he thinks all literature is garbage. He's like, this is dead. TV's the worst. I want to watch people play video games. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:24:44 So she wants him to grow video games. Yeah, right. So she wants him to grow up in this bubble, right? She wants to curate the world for him. Aren't these the same people, though, that are, like, so anti-safe space? I mean, you know what I mean? I don't know. You know, like, when you think about this sort of pushback to what, quote, unquote, PC culture, aren't these people like, oh, man, these fucking babies in the university, they need their fucking Play-Doh, blah, blah, blah, but I got to cover my kid's eyes because he might see a trans person. There very well might be overlap there, right?
Starting point is 00:25:11 Right. Yeah, I think that there very well might be overlap. But this whole idea that just seeing a trans person, what does she think is going to happen? I don't know. I mean, that's the thing. It's like, I know, all jokes aside, I don't actually let my 10-year-old watch a whole lot of pornography, right? Right, yeah. Because I know, like, there's actually pretty good research that pornography at a young age, not real good for kids.
Starting point is 00:25:32 Sure. So, you know, ultraviolence, not real good for kids. So I'm not going to let them watch that shit because I know that there's effects, right? What am I going to, like, what's the side effect? What's the negative here, right? If my 10-year-old sees a boy wearing makeup and it's like what's the deal i'll be like he's a boy who wears makeup and my kids gonna be like i don't care what's markiplier playing on youtube he won't care at all he won't care at all there's no conversation there's no controversy yeah my
Starting point is 00:26:00 household does not erupt into chaos like the turkey's burning in the oven. The cranberries are fucking on fire. Everybody's dead. It's fucking botulism. None of this stuff is happening. Instead, everybody just looks around and is like, I don't know. Do you want more ice cream? It's a non-issue. Nobody cares.
Starting point is 00:26:15 The reason why it becomes an issue is because you made it an issue. Right. You're suddenly putting so much gravity on this moment. I'm not going to fucking backseat parenting. You want to fucking, you know, tell your kid that this is evil. The quote from the article specifically quote, it says, this is sinful and wrong. He shouldn't be doing that. And his parents are wrong.
Starting point is 00:26:36 Now, that's a quote from the original article. It's not from the Patheos. You have to actually click through to find the original article. But from the original article, it's like, and the thing is, the thing is like like what did his parents do his makeup in the morning you know it doesn't look young enough to to be around his parents it's so outrageous it's ridiculous but you know you know who else wears fucking makeup everybody on tv everybody on tv every guy in hollywood fucking cal drago from fucking Game of Thrones wears fucking guyliner. That guy makes every girl squirt within a five mile radius.
Starting point is 00:27:09 Like they walk by him and they're just like sploosh. Yeah, this fucking this guy's got guyliner on. He's the manliest guy in the world. He'll impregnate you from across the room and he wears guyline. You know what I mean? Like, OK, well, right. You know, you just can't be like talking about, you know, you, you just can't be like talking about, you know, these tiny little gender roles you have for everybody. Nobody fits in your little
Starting point is 00:27:29 box. Everybody's different. Everybody fits in this, in this, you know, broad spectrum of sexuality and gender. And we all define ourselves differently. And, you know, for you to just come out and be like, no, there's only this and that's it. How do you not see that as closed-minded? How do you not see that as I'm limiting my child? How do you not see that as just also none of your damn business? That's the other thing, right? It's clearly none of your business.
Starting point is 00:27:58 It's clearly none of your business. Fucking none, y'all. I just stopped. It's not like he's choking on a fucking 14 inch dildo on TV. Exactly right. If he was just like everybody should be fucking dudes. You'd be like OK that's a little weird. I have no idea about his sexuality. All I know is that he wore makeup.
Starting point is 00:28:13 I have no idea about his sexuality. Exactly. And that's the other thing that they don't understand right is that just because this is somebody biologically male who in this picture or this commercial is wearing makeup that's indicative of females right has nothing to do with their gender identity necessarily and nothing to do with their sexual identity but that but like these people don't understand and they don't want to understand and that's the whole point they would rather cover up the tv than understand something yeah they would rather hide they would rather not have the conversation than have the conversation yeah that's insane.
Starting point is 00:28:46 Well, I mean you can raise your kid how you want, but you've got to understand, I think, that the child itself is going to be suffering because they're not going to be ready for a world. Right. your kid that is not readying him for a world in which he is going to be able to understand the spectrum of sexuality and gender like he should. Right. Your kid has to adapt to the world. The world will not adapt to your kids. Yeah. I keep asking it to, and it won't.
Starting point is 00:29:16 In the name of Jesus, we speak that. I'm put on a feeling I'm high on believing So this story is from the BBC News. This is the men who claim to be Africa's miracle workers. And this is actually kind of just a list of these fucking lunatics. And this week kind of circulating all over the place was a South African pastor who calls... I can't help it. ...who's currently macing one of his fucking...
Starting point is 00:30:01 I can't help it. ...one of his fucking congregants right now in this picture. He calls people up. He calls people up to heal them by spraying insecticide in their faces. And you know what the name of the insecticide that he uses is? Doom. I'm totally not kidding. It's fucking Doom.
Starting point is 00:30:22 He sprays Doom in their face. He doesn't even spray it. Like, this is poison. It's fucking doom. He sprays doom in their face. He doesn't even spray it like this is poison. It's poison. And he's not like spraying it like misty misty like near them. It's not like a potpourri spritz. He sprays that shit right in their face. This fucking image. She is getting essentially a bukkake from this sprayer.
Starting point is 00:30:44 It's like someone opened up the fire hose dude it's so much she's got to share it with a friend exactly she's got to scrape it off into a champagne glass after she's done and it's an extreme you never trust a man who sprays something called doom in your face it's like that's what i named my cock, don't trust it if it sprays in your face. At least without a warning. You could give a warning. I used to call it bang, but then people were calling me the little bang. And I was like, no.
Starting point is 00:31:13 That's wrong. They're like, chitty, chitty, bang, bang. And I was like, no. Don't make it cute. It's doom now. Say hello to Dr. Doom. They're like, where is it? It's out. It's out. It's currently out right now. No, to Dr. Doom. They're like, where is it? I got it. Where is it? It's out.
Starting point is 00:31:25 It's out. It's currently out right now. No, it's right there. I got a PhD in getting it out. This isn't the only one. It's an honorary PhD. It is. From an online school.
Starting point is 00:31:43 I got it from upstairs medical college. Oh, God. But this isn't the only one. There's a whole epidemic of these fucking moves. We talked about the guy who turned petrol into pineapple juice. Well, he didn't really, though. He just fed people gasoline. No, really.
Starting point is 00:31:58 He's just like, nope. That's a fuel. That's not how you... A life. That's not how you be alive. You can't do that with hydrocarbons. How you feeling? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:32:11 A little dead. And then isn't this the same guy who made them eat grass? He's just like, the grass is amazing. But the best one is the best picture. It's the last picture. This picture here where they're all got... Okay, so there's a picture here. It's the third picture down.
Starting point is 00:32:27 This guy has a bottle in his hand, but if you replaced it with a dildo and then all these girls are essentially on their knees with their mouth open around him. I've seen this before. Right. This is like – I've seen – there's like Japanese ones like that. You wouldn't believe. The bachelorette party got a little crazy. Like, no, it didn't.
Starting point is 00:32:47 That's not ever happened. But my favorite one is the snake pastor, where he claims that he turns the snakes into chocolate and then he feeds people snakes. And then they eat snakes. The snakes aren't chocolate. They're snakes. It's so funny.
Starting point is 00:33:08 It's so funny. You've got to be fucked up. You've got to be so fucked up. You're just like, all right, it's a chocolate. It's a chocolate. It's just biting your face. It's real bitey chocolate. This chocolate's got some snap to it.
Starting point is 00:33:27 You're crunching on this fucking. And there's a picture of this motherfucker eating a snake. Well, that's the thing. It's like you've got to bite through the bones and the gristle. It's like a live sea salt. Yeah, exactly. Like you bite into a live animal. It's chocolate.
Starting point is 00:33:43 What the fuck is wrong with you that is not chocolate that is a snake you're like you can pick up i mean it's a it's a chocolate snake that lays cadbury eggs there is a moment where don't you think these people are just fucking with people like i wonder what i can get them to do. It's almost like all these pastors are friends. They're having a bet. Oh, yeah. I bet I'm going to get them to eat gasoline.
Starting point is 00:34:13 I bet I can spray fucking doom in their faces. Motherfucker, I'll make that bitch eat a snake. I'll make him eat a snake. I'm going to introduce you to my snake. His name is Mr. Goodbar. That's the other thing, right? Like, if I'm going to make you do something fun, it's not be a spray and suck the side of your face and make you eat a snake i mean i'll make i may make you touch a snake to your mouth right you know snake i call him mr doom worms and then the other the last one is a pastor who was healing erectile dysfunction which really
Starting point is 00:34:43 meant that he just wanted to grab the junk of all the guys and the pastor and the person, because all he did was just walk around. I mean, there's a picture of him cupping someone's balls. So he clearly, all he wanted to do was just cup someone's balls or cup a lot of people's balls. Right. Well, in the same guy, there's pictures of the same guy praying over dudes with their dicks out. Yeah, exactly. He's just a gay dude who wants to fondle people. That's all it is. He's just fondling dudes. And then the last one is a guy who, um, wanted to fondle a woman who had breast cancer. Oh God, I just reached in and be like, I'm healing this real slow.
Starting point is 00:35:20 Does this feel healed? Because it's working for me. Hey, can you bring that oil over here? I want to anoint it. Well, they do that. Exactly. That's exactly what they did. I'm going to grope you. Hang on. I need lube to grope you differently.
Starting point is 00:35:36 I've seen that movie. If you need lube to grope her differently, she's not into it. Also, it makes her real slick. She gets away too easy. It's like wrestling with a buttered pig. You tie him up first. You tie him. You truss him. I see what you did. I see what you did there, Tom.
Starting point is 00:35:53 You kidnap someone. It's like a congregant ducking. You truss him up. Is there a smaller congregant inside of them? Tom. Yeah. Can we talk for a second about rubber dicks? Again? Yeah. It's a conversation
Starting point is 00:36:10 we need to have every once in a while. We just had this conversation right before and after lunch. Yeah. It's a conversation we keep having. We do. And the reason why is... Because you get one 50% off
Starting point is 00:36:25 by going to AdamandEve.com. It'll go 100% in. But it's 50% off. Yeah, right. Well, 50% is about as far as I can get them off, typically, without the rubber dick. I'm halfway there. I'm fucking all the way there. Spent. Actually, yeah, I'm going
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Starting point is 00:36:59 It's not every item. There's a few excluded items. There's excluded stuff. But about 50% off on anything. And then you'll also get free shipping. And they'll give you some free stuff. And all you have to do is type in Gloria at checkout. And who doesn't want to type in Gloria at checkout?
Starting point is 00:37:11 You know, Cecil, I've taken to typing Glory every time I check out somewhere just to see what happens. I actually just grabbed the cashier and just screamed Glory in their face. The other thing about this, too, is that it's reusable. Like a rubber dick, the Glory is reusable. With proper care. You can keep using it over and over and over again. Just think of Glory like the lube. You put the lube in every single time you want to
Starting point is 00:37:35 go deep. Literally wash, rinse, and repeat. But you can check them out at adamany.com. You can type in Glory at checkout. Get some free stuff. Have some fun. You know, at the same time, you're getting a little bit off, and you're getting a lot off.
Starting point is 00:37:51 A lot off. This story is from the Daily News, the New York Daily News. I'm sorry. Planned Parenthood has received more than 50,000 donations in Mike Pence's name. And I actually think this is kind of great. I think this is awesome. Mike Pence has been a vocal, outspoken critic of all things good.
Starting point is 00:38:14 And Planned Parenthood. Yes. Specifically Planned Parenthood, right? All things good, but then very specifically he's closed down Planned Parenthood. Oh no, he's a monster. In Indiana, we talked about a story about Pence who closed him down in a section of Indiana and wound up
Starting point is 00:38:30 actually increasing the amount of sexually transmitted diseases and removing a clean needle program that they had set up specifically for that. I mean, he's done horrible things. The effects of this are demonstrable and measurable and they're not good. Yeah. Nobody wins. Nobody's like horrible things. The effects of this are demonstrable and measurable, and they're not good.
Starting point is 00:38:46 Nobody wins. Nobody's like, high five, I got an STD. No one's like, hey, I got a gonorrhea. Praise Jesus. I don't know. Give me a G. Give me an A. Give me an N. Give me a T. Ibotics. Oh my god, I need antibiotics.
Starting point is 00:39:01 It hurts so bad, right, B? It's like razor blades in this thing. Yeah, but they're donating. It says Planned Parenthood has received more than 50,000 donations. That's so much. That's amazing. And this is the time. We talked about this in the 100 Days episode.
Starting point is 00:39:17 This is the time for the private sector, right? The government probably, under a Republican Congress, a Republican president, a Republican House, they're probably going to defund Planned Parenthood, right? This is our chance. We've got to step up and make sure it survives, right? So Planned Parenthood is an important thing that needs to be funded, and it needs to be funded by the private sector because the government is probably not going to be giving it a lot of money in the future. Even though none of the money that the government gives it goes to abortions. It doesn't matter. They think it's a fucking abortion mill like that idiot on fucking jim baker said and so what you have is a uh a
Starting point is 00:39:49 non-for-profit organization that that helps tons of people every year that could really be in dire straits if it's not if it's not for us and women are and women and men are going out of their way to send planned parenthood money for this. And one of the things that struck me was Sarah and I were having a conversation about sort of the consequences of sex when you're a young adult, right? And it's something that I know I never really thought of, right? The consequences for sex for me were never so out in the open. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:40:23 Wait, there's consequences for sex? When Sarah was having sex with other people when she was a kid, she was making sure that she had birth control. Sure, right. But it was something that her parents never told her about. She had to figure out on her own, you know, those sorts of things. I've seen in my life a couple, maybe three or four young girls get pregnant, keep the baby. They were ambitious students, had good lives ahead of them.
Starting point is 00:40:55 They were almost certainly going to be doing something else other than being a mom at a young age. They had plans to do something else. It's a life-changing event. But it is a life-changing event for those girls. And I'm not saying that they're living a lesser life now or that it's a bad thing that they're parents, but they changed their life direction
Starting point is 00:41:14 based on one sex act. You know what I mean? That whole course of everything changed because they had sex one time. God, you have to hope it was good. Probably wasn't. I know. That's the bummer. Because they're young and guys don't got no skills, right? Selfish.
Starting point is 00:41:32 I don't have a lot of skills now. I mean, I got to be honest. I don't know what to tell you. I always sub in another guy. You're in. You're in. It's been 12 seconds. I'm done.
Starting point is 00:41:43 Jesus. Tag, you're in. But it really has changed the scope of their lives and as a guy it's hard for me to contend with that because i don't know i wouldn't know what that's like right i wouldn't know what it's like to have one sex act defined and change your entire life and they have to live that and And so Planned Parenthood is one of those places that women can go for birth control at a low price and it's effective birth control, right? It's effective all the time,
Starting point is 00:42:15 98% or something with the pill, right? 98%. And then with condoms, it's lower. And they have a chance to, uh, to live a life that is, that has sex that's consequence free, wherein they don't have that if they don't have any options. Sure. And that's really important. I think it's really important. It was one of those places that, you know, really strikes me just for the, just for the preventative. We're just talking about birth control here. We're not talking about anything else that they do and they do a lot, but we're just talking about birth control here. We're not talking about anything else that they do, and they do a lot, but we're just talking about birth
Starting point is 00:42:48 control here, and that's really important for young girls and young men to have access to that stuff so that they can make the decision to start a family rather than to be forced in that decision just by, you know. Yeah. I got to say, too, relevant to this article, I love when people donate money in the name of an organization or in the name of somebody to an organization like this. So what I mean is like when you donate to something like Planned Parenthood in Mike Pence's name, that's a really great way. That's a really effective way to leverage your protest, right? Absolutely. I think this is a wonderful way to protest. This is a violent protest, and I love it.
Starting point is 00:43:30 I love it. They're stopping ambulances like crazy. Right? This is effective, right? Because you've made change in the world with your dollar. Absolutely. Right? Yes. And you've gotten your voice heard by doing this thing with Mike Pence. Yeah. So you're protesting. This is a great way. Great point. To do this. Yeah. So this story comes from The Guardian. This is fucking awful. Saudi court sentences poet to death for renouncing Islam. That's terrible. I would, though, however, agree if you wrote something as bad as, say, the Skeptic's Creed. Ouch.
Starting point is 00:44:14 You know what I mean? If it was that bad, then I agree. I have to admit, as a poet, I think he's just lucky to get some attention. At the end of it, the Sharia judges are snapping. He's just like looking around like they're about to cut his head off. He's like, yeah, you fucking read it. It's weird because over here, the Christian fundamentalists are very different than the Saudi Muslim fundamentalists because over there, they give you lashes, and over here, we're horrified by lashes.
Starting point is 00:44:50 Right, by the cover girl. We're horrified by them. So the fundamentalists, I think, disagree on that one point. Right, that's their major point of disagreement. They're either pro or anti-lashes. Right, yeah, exactly, exactly. Lashes on guys, in Saudi Arabia, you'll get...
Starting point is 00:45:07 So this Palestinian guy, Jesus Christ. He's like, he's just a guy who writes things down. He's just a dude. He wrote some things. That's the thing. There's nothing you can write down on a piece of paper. There's no words in any order.
Starting point is 00:45:25 Right, that you can do that's like, yeah, that should cost a man their life. Are you kidding me? Or we should whip them, we should beat them, we should jail them. It's words on paper. If you don't like it, you just don't read it. There's lots of poetry I don't like. Most of it I wrote! And I don't encourage people to read it!
Starting point is 00:45:44 I don't either. I really don't encourage people to read it. I don't either. I don't. I really don't. Most of it. You know, but it's like, that's crazy. You took an art form nobody even cares about anymore. Nobody even cares. It's like an open mic Sharia night.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Right? You just can only read really loudly from the Quran. If you go to Poets Market now and you open it up, it doesn't have a Saudi Arabia section, I'll tell you that. You know what you should do? What? You remember the poems where you wrote it and you took it from a page? You should do that with the Quran.
Starting point is 00:46:16 I will get killed. Do it. Okay. I will get killed. You should write, and you should and you should buy a Quran and you should cut out each word. I can't even hear you. I'm not doing that. Okay, that's a great idea, though.
Starting point is 00:46:32 And put it on a piece of paper. Paste it. Fucking murder mystery note style on a piece of paper. So like a sento. A sento. That's what I call a sento. A Koran sento. A sento. That's what they call it. A sento. Right. But only created from each page and every letter, every word has
Starting point is 00:46:47 to be cut out and placed in order and pasted to a new page. Can we use your name? Yes. I will get killed so bad. I've been, oh. You've been alive for a long time. I'm actually not kidding. That actually makes me nervous. Like, I think that that might cause me
Starting point is 00:47:05 to be murdered. You should do it. I might still do it, but I have to check my insurance policy. Well, somebody's definitely not going to insure you now. Oh, man. You should make sure it's okay now, because just
Starting point is 00:47:21 like ACA, you're not going to be able to get existing coverage after you do something horrifying hello i'd like the large bloated and fucks with islamic fundamentalist plan hello yeah hello no no one's answering what's my premium a million dollars do it anonymously even though everybody who listens to show note was you but even still do it anonymously and then you can always deny it yeah i wasn't wasn't. Yeah, I'm sure that'll work when they're coming out with machetes. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. They would have heard that
Starting point is 00:47:52 before. As long as you keep doing your overhead squats, you'll be fine. I'll be all right. Look, if it's one dude, I'm fine. If it's a bunch of dudes with machetes or bombs or bombs, or in this country, lots of guns, lots of guns, I'm probably not okay it's a bunch of dudes with machetes. Or bombs. Or bombs. Or in this country, lots of guns. Or lots of guns, I'm probably not okay. You want answers? I think I'm entitled. You want answers! I want the truth! You can't handle the truth! This story comes from the Friendly Atheist blogs over
Starting point is 00:48:15 at Patheos. This is Jim Baker, Cecil. Oh, yeah. He's got buckets to sell, motherfucker. Wait, isn't the world going to be fine now? Well, you know, here's the thing. God's got some punishing to do for motherfucker. Wait, isn't the world going to be fine now? Well, you know, here's the thing. God's got some punishing to do for people. No matter what. It's not like God's going to run out of punishing.
Starting point is 00:48:32 Right. Like, I got a whole bucket of punishing, and I'm not going to be done until I'm labeling it all out on all y'all. It's a whole bucket of punishing. And you can buy those buckets for only $19.99. There's a 60-day supply of punishings. It's just full of whips to flagellate
Starting point is 00:48:54 yourself like you buy it. Rusty nails. Right? Mouse traps to pinch your nipples with. Glass. Ow, fuck. What? Jesus. It's like tar that's on fire. Every bucket you open up has like a weird thing in it. One that's like a rat attacks you just on the face.
Starting point is 00:49:13 And then inexplicably one's just full of cotton balls for no reason. You're just like, what do I do with this? It just says like a note from God, be creative. You're like, fuck. All right, stuck them in your nose. I don't know. All right, they go into the head of my fuck. All right, stuck them in your nose. I don't know. All right, they go into the head of my dick. All right, so here's Jim Banks.
Starting point is 00:49:28 First Amendment gives you the right to protest in a peaceable way. Whenever you're throwing rocks at people, whenever you're beating people up, whenever you're stealing their cars, whenever you're setting places on fire, whenever you're throwing rocks through people's windshields, this is not a peaceful protest. Now, I do just want to give a, they call them that.
Starting point is 00:49:48 They do call them peaceful. They're saying, oh, we're having peaceful protest. Anytime anybody burns a car, throws stones through bank windows, or anything like that, or injures another person, they need to be arrested. They are arrested. That's a thing that's already happening. That's against the law. Nobody's not arresting people that throw rocks. They're like, oh, you're a protester?
Starting point is 00:50:07 Okay, go ahead. Oh, I didn't know you were protesting. Oh, okay. Oh, you hurt somebody? You punched somebody in the face? Oh, you were just protesting. Oh, okay. These people get arrested if you fucking break the law.
Starting point is 00:50:18 Yeah. There are no special rules in the protest zone called here are the cars. They don't set up burning cars, right? Here's three junkers we got you guys can fuck those up all you want they're like the prom cars you see every year prom when they're like don't drink and drive for the prom right and they they like the dare vehicles they confiscate they're like the carnival cars that you go and beat on with a sledgehammer although i don't i haven't seen that in long time. That was when I was a kid they used to do that. They used to pay. Oh, you've never seen this? So you could pay
Starting point is 00:50:49 a certain dollar amount to get several swings with a hammer, like a sledgehammer on a car. So there would be a car there just to hit the car with a sledgehammer. And so you could walk up and be like, I would like to pay to hit the car. And then you pay him three dollars and then you get three swings with a sledgehammer and so you could walk up and be like i would like to pay to hit the car and then you pay them three dollars and then you get three swings with the sledgehammer i feel like i'd
Starting point is 00:51:08 bring a paycheck i feel like i would fuck that thing up i'll be like here's a bad day you'd be like i got three hundred dollars i would like my 300 swings right i am gonna fuck this thing in two i would be like actually time me because this is a workout for everybody just i i've got time i've got money i am am an anger. I am and I'll fuck this thing up. I brought like four guys from my gym. They're going to tag in when I'm tired for my swings. Yeah, we
Starting point is 00:51:33 need to say no now. No more. No more what? No more protesting. Fuck you. That's what America is all about. Douchebag. More buckets, though. I believe he's going to say more buckets. The people on our side aren't for the fucking violence, except for a couple twats on Facebook where, like,
Starting point is 00:51:50 you've got to kill people or whatever. People who are pro-violence are wrong. Yeah, exactly. I'm sorry. You're just wrong. Like, if you have a pro-violence stance, you're a fucking idiot. You're just wrong about you're just wrong about that yeah yeah like the president that you didn't like got elected so violence like what no that's
Starting point is 00:52:12 fucking you are this is not something we need to have a nuanced conversation about i don't they're not marching for the reason why they're not marching because the president got elected they're marching to i think they're Nobody's marching the verdict of the election. I think people are marching, at least as far as I've talked to these people, they're marching to show the president that they're not going away. That they don't approve of his policy.
Starting point is 00:52:33 They don't approve, and they're not going away. I think those are the two major reasons why people are... We are going to have, and I wrote it down, if we're not careful, we're going to have civil war.
Starting point is 00:52:44 That's right. You wrote that down? So you wouldn't forget your one sentence? Your one sentence to drive people to buckets, though. Right. I mean, like, what, you wrote your marketing plan down? Great. Did you fucking put it in a binder?
Starting point is 00:52:56 Did you send it to Kinko's? He just wrote down Ken Burns. That's all he wrote. I want you to see this. So can you see that, ma'am? I probably shouldn't say this. Look at that, everybody. Wow.
Starting point is 00:53:08 Amazing. I wrote it down. Wow. That's amazing. Yeah. Okay, what you see on this map, they're showing a map. It's a map of the United States with blue and red. I'm not sure that this is particularly accurate.
Starting point is 00:53:20 I have no idea whether or not this map is accurate showing where people voted for Trump and where people voted for Hillary. But there's very little blue on it. But if you look, the blue is all over all the population centers. I was going to say. So a lot of open space voted for Trump and a lot of people voted for Hillary. And it turns out more people voted for Hillary than for Trump. So you could show this all fucking day, but I don't see at the bottom. And Trump lost by two million votes in all of the shitty pig farm and corn goblin states. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:53:55 Voted for Trump. All those sectors of the United States where fucking you get shit on your shoes. Yeah, that's where they voted for Trump. All the places where you know you actually have to like have a sidewalk all those places are blue yeah if there's an edge if you can find somebody with an education yeah if you're within 10 miles of a college exactly right and it's not hamburger university university. Tom's got a full mouthful of water right now and he's
Starting point is 00:54:30 trying not to spit it all over the microphone. It's fizzy water too. It can't go in your fucking nose. You're screwed, man. Hamburger you. There you go. I love it. County by county. You see, that picture right there
Starting point is 00:54:45 is just a testament that the media are a bunch of liars. You, first of all. What the fuck are you talking about? The media's a bunch of liars. Because open fucking space, tumbleweeds voted for Trump, that's why?
Starting point is 00:55:02 It's fucking desert garbage land in between those places. Have you have you no shit got on a fucking road between here and champagne or here and fucking St. Louis? There's nothing there. There's nothing. There's nothing. It's like a fucking road. It's fucking
Starting point is 00:55:18 walking dead out there, man. No walking dead would imply people that would be a human once in a while or a former human. Exactly. You would would be a human once in a while. Or a former human. Yeah, exactly. You would actually be in better shape in terms of the brain capacity if you saw the walking dead. Seriously, once you get out of Chicago and area. South of I-80, you could throw bombs out of your car as you drive. And nobody would notice.
Starting point is 00:55:38 And they wouldn't hit anything important. And we're talking you could do that for 120 miles. Easily. And you wouldn't hit a city the entire way you don't hit a city from when you leave joliet until you arrive in bloomington you don't hit a fucking city and if you do it's a gas station city yeah i have driven i've driven top to bottom in the state and i've driven top to bottom in one day like well not top to bottom but chicago all the way to the bottom and back in a day.
Starting point is 00:56:06 And I remember coming back on one trip thinking, like, I'll stop anywhere. Like, the next thing that I see, just driving, I'm going to pull over. If it was a car dealership, I would have bought a new car. I was like, I'm just so bored. I need something to do.
Starting point is 00:56:20 I don't care. I'll fucking kill a hooker. It makes no difference to me. You would do that anyway. I would hurt her. You'd do that when you're not bored. I would hurt her. I wouldn't kill her. I don't care. I'll fucking kill a hooker. It makes no difference to me. You would do that anyway. You do that when you're not bored. I would hurt her. I wouldn't kill her. I'm a gentleman. Outrageous. Outrageous. I never know what to tip.
Starting point is 00:56:34 I was driving, though. You can't even make a bad decision. You can't even make a bad decision. The only thing between here and there is fucking Casey's General Store. Exactly. Casey's Junction of Westbrook. Casey's General Store. Exactly. That's all there is. Casey's Junction of Westford. Casey's General Store with fucking you know, like roller pizza. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:49 The worst decision you can make is like, I guess I'll eat some cherry sours and beef jerky. That's it. It's seriously. It's a calorically bad decision. Between here and Bloomington and then it's the same thing until you get to Springfield and then it's the same thing until you get to, there's like four cities and they're all like a hundred miles apart.
Starting point is 00:57:06 Cities! It's an outrageous use of that term, sir. Like Bloomington's as big as Naperville, maybe? Maybe? And it's got a college in it? You know what I mean? It's probably smaller, but like, you know, it's got a, you know, it's a population center, right? So it is an actual city. You drive
Starting point is 00:57:22 right through, but it's like you drive through, there's nothing. And you could drive on the – I drove down. I could drive straight down the state route too. And the little tiny shit towns they take you through there are all little garbage. They're fucking a thousand people at most. It's all nobody. It's nobody that's out there voting. You could show that space as red, but it's actually ground that's red out there.
Starting point is 00:57:46 It's not human beings. Right. Well, think about when we go up to Michigan to go shooting, and you go up to Michigan, it's a five-hour drive, and you drive through nothing forever, right? Like, you come up, you go past Grand Rapids. Once you're past Grand Rapids, there's nothing. There's nothing. It's just trees. There's not even people living amongst the trees. They're not even
Starting point is 00:58:02 farming it. The land is so useless, they're not even farming it. They don is so useless, they're not even farming it. They don't do anything. They're just like, I don't care. Let it just fucking go to waste. And we fire a cannon. We've had cannons, literal cannons, and nobody comes to see what that was. That's how unpopulated most of this country is.
Starting point is 00:58:18 You can drive through tons of space, but look at each one of those centers. Look at each one of those counties where there's people, where there's human beings, where there's a mass of human beings, they all went blue. The red is the votes for Trump. The red is
Starting point is 00:58:37 the GOP. The grand old party. There they are. Now, that's where it is right now. They're still counting ballots. Yeah. You know, it doesn't make any difference. Right. Hillary's resigned.
Starting point is 00:58:50 It's in the bank. You know, it's done. You know. But here's the thing. If you live in the blue, put it back on the screen. If you live in the blue, any spot that's blue, I would say, oh, God. Oh, God. Help me.
Starting point is 00:59:09 Help California and Arizona. Oh, God. Oh, my God. Forgive me. Oh, forgive us. Why is he just repeating everything he says? Forgive us? Forgive us for voting differently.
Starting point is 00:59:20 For voting differently. Yeah. Oh, man. Holy shit, man. Here it comes, man. Are you fucking differently. Yeah. Oh, man. Holy shit, man. Here it comes, man. Are you fucking serious? And again, though, of course they are, because they've been calling Hillary a demon forever, right? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:31 They've been calling Obama a demon. Anybody who's a Democrat is a demon to them. Yeah. God cares very much about all his people, but mostly he cares about his Republican people. But mostly he cares about his Republican people. And mostly he cares about his American people. Because clearly God's not punishing the fucking dictatorial regime of North Korea. Sure, yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:53 He did punish Phil Castro, though, recently. He did? Punish him after 90 years? I was busy. I was busy. I had biscuits and gravy I wanted to get to eating. And I didn't have time to punish Fidel Castro for all those crimes against humanity. I punished him 12 years after
Starting point is 01:00:09 the natural lifespan of a man. I got to it in my own time. I let him live extra long. Wait, no, that's backwards. I should have killed him 12 years earlier. All right, Gabriel, put that on the board. That's my oopsie.
Starting point is 01:00:26 We'll know next time. I'll kill one of them other Castros quicker. It'll be like the oil. You just keep having to recycle them over and over and over again. Get me a new Castro. Dale Earnhardt needs a new Castro. No, I said Castro, not Castrol. That's different. Oh, I'm sorry needs a new Castro. No, I said Castro, not Castrol. That's different.
Starting point is 01:00:45 Oh, I'm sorry. 5W Castro. Yeah, I guess, you know, like if they're demonizing these people. And the thing I do want to point out, too, is all the people who keep sending us messages after they listen to the show and they're mad that we're making fun of Trump. You agree with these people. Like you're on their side. I just want you to know you're on Jim Baker's bucket side. So you're on his side.
Starting point is 01:01:08 So enjoy that. Enjoy being on the side of the bobblehead who's saying, oh goodness gracious, they're going to destroy these counties that voted for Hillary. Those people are your people now. You know what's amazing
Starting point is 01:01:19 is when you look at this, it's the coast, right? Because centers of commerce, centers of trade, You can see the Mississippi River in blue, centers of commerce, centers of trade. And then you get a chance to see Colorado. There's big sections of Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona that are set. Huge sections along the coast again for these
Starting point is 01:01:43 for Oregon and Washington. that are set. Huge sections along the coast again for these for the... Anywhere people live. For Oregon and Washington. And then you look at the main portion of the state, huge center of red over there. Yeah, there's nothing there. I've been in the fucking east side of Washington State. But then you do the same thing in Illinois.
Starting point is 01:02:00 Chicago's this giant blue area, but then again, look at Champaign, look at Peoria, look at Champaign. Look at Peoria. Look at St. Louis. All those areas are all just full. Yep. Yeah. Because those are the ones who came against the will of God in this election.
Starting point is 01:02:14 Now, you've got to understand, and I just want to tell you. You came against the will of God in this election? Well, what about all the people that voted? I come against the face. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think the will of voted? I come against the face. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think the will of God protects their face, actually. Nothing does.
Starting point is 01:02:33 Yeah, it came against the will of God. Again, I think when we talked about earlier about the God changing votes, right? In this case, God didn't change the votes, right? God gave you free will to vote for whoever you wanted. Right. And now you're going to be punished for it. Enjoy your free will. But that's how God operates.
Starting point is 01:02:52 That is, right? That's how God operates. That's true. It's like, here's your free will. Here's your free will. Make the right choice. You better make it the right one. If you don't, the punishments are extreme.
Starting point is 01:02:59 And the lines are real blurry, right? I'm not going to tell you what the right choice is. Yeah, I mean, you're being punished here in Jim Baker's eyes for voting for a different candidate. Yeah, right. Which, you know, both of them had policies that are good and both of them had policies that are bad. I don't know if Trump literally didn't have a lot of good policies. I'm not sure he knows what his policies are. But, you know, Hillary had some bad ideas, too.
Starting point is 01:03:21 God is really, he handed out the exam and he expects 100%. No, that's it. You know what I mean? He expects 100%. He's not grading on a curve. No, no. Y'all better do all right. Oh, you know what?
Starting point is 01:03:30 You could vote for Ted Cruz. That's okay. That's the other funny thing too, right? Like it's, it's just if any Republican won, they'd say this. Yeah. Right?
Starting point is 01:03:38 It was Ted Cruz or Trump or Carson or Rubio. If it would have been Bernie on the other side, you voted for Bernie, you're going to hell. Right, right. God has spoken to me. I've seen under the ground in Florida, in California, especially. In LA.
Starting point is 01:03:51 In LA. And God spoke to me that in Los Angeles alone, there's going to be such an earthquake coming that literally the big buildings will be laying on their sides. That's not what happens when buildings fall. They don't just go tipsies over. Are you kidding? They're going to be laying on their sides. That's not what happens when buildings fall. They don't just go tipsies over. Are you kidding? They're going to be laying on their side. Oh, I got sleepy times and now I fell over.
Starting point is 01:04:12 That's just all the buildings. I'm sleepy now. He's right, though, because God got in touch with me and he said within the spring or fall of next year, there's going to be a tornado in our area. In the state of Illinois. In the tornado alley. In the state of Illinois. In the tornado alley. Somewhere in the state of Illinois, mostly in the Plainfield area,
Starting point is 01:04:31 there's going to be a tornado warning. Or watch. God showed me underground. And he showed me a trailer on its side. It tipsies over. The tornado dunk club knocked it over, Mom.
Starting point is 01:04:49 All of L.A. is going to collapse, downtown L.A., and that there's going to be, and I believe, the West Coast is going to have, how many of those? It's going to have what? Now you transition to how many of those? Fucking how hard is it to be like, oh, in the fucking ring of fire, there's going to have what? Now you transition to how many of those. Fucking how hard is it to be like, oh, in the fucking ring of fire, there's going to be a volcano. I mean, Jesus, dude.
Starting point is 01:05:11 It's like throwing a dart at a dartboard that's all bullseye. Like, you can't miss, man. It's like declaring the wall a bullseye. I bet there'll be a wildfire, too. Because there's water. Maybe there'll be a drought. There'll be weather patterns. I bet in the desert it'll be hot and dry. There'll be a cold front.
Starting point is 01:05:30 Faults. Faults and earthquake zones do they have there in California? Anybody know? And what's interesting about that California... Nobody answered his question. Nobody even answered. It's because they don't know. They're just like, I don't know. That's a science in question. Is there a lot of faults? I will say they're at fault for voting for Hillary.
Starting point is 01:05:47 Whenever you even see, and Sasha was the one that actually, from California, made this known to me, that if you look at California, the east side of California is red. Because nobody lives there. Well, and also, now they're making an argument that when the fucking earthquake hits, it's going to hit the west side of the country. Where the fucking fault line is. Yeah, people vote along fault lines. Asshole.
Starting point is 01:06:11 Well, if you voted for Trump, you did. By county. And the west side is blue. And where do all the fault lines, where do all the prophetic words happen to plant themselves? It's on the four west of the west Coast. Now it's the blue. Now you understand it's not, judgment's not coming to them because they voted for Hillary Clinton. It's because they voted for a platform. They voted for a platform that is so incredibly pro-abortion, anti-Bible. They voted for a platform that specifically states that they are going to
Starting point is 01:06:43 seek a two-state resolution with Israel, saying in the Democratic Party platform that specifically states that they are going to seek a two-state state resolution with Israel saying in the Democratic Party platform that they attempt to divide the land of Israel. It's not because they vote Democrat. It's because they vote a platform, and what that platform represents is the Democrats. I love how he's making
Starting point is 01:07:02 this distinction. It's a great distinction to make, though. How do these guys claim to know any of this? The Bible didn't predict America. It didn't predict democracy. It didn't predict politics. It didn't predict any of this. It has nothing to say about any of these topics. The Bible has no idea that we would ever have a TV to watch
Starting point is 01:07:26 or fucking polyester to wear. Are you kidding me? The Bible has something to say about where it's going to... Oh, there's going to be a fucking thing in California. You didn't know there was going to be a California. And you sure as shit don't know what the thing is. Right.
Starting point is 01:07:41 There's going to be an earthquake, really? How the fuck do you know? You didn't even know there were polar bears. There's going to be an earthquake. Really? How the fuck do you know? You didn't even know there were polar bears. There's no way in the natural that even a Christian would vote for Trump after all the dump they put on him. I don't know what the fuck was. There's no way in the natural that a Christian would vote for Trump after all the dump they put on him. None of those words make any sense in that order. Did he have they dumped on him? That's kind words make any sense in that order. Did he have, they dumped on
Starting point is 01:08:06 him? That's kind of hot. Actually. I see dumps like a truck, drunk, like a truck, drunk, drunk. I mean, you know what I mean? They just, but here's what Trump has surrounded himself with more men and women of the gospel than any human being I've ever seen in my 76 years on the face of this earth. What about the Pope? So I want to thank our most current patrons, Jeff, Alexander, Renee, Megan, Cindy, the net sec heathen, Pascal, Gabriela, Corpsey, the Ewok, who said not to read his name, but I'm reading it anyway. Because it's great. Jeffrey, Danny, Wang Dang Sweet Eggnog.
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Starting point is 01:10:11 At this point, I know for sure that over half the tickets are gone, and we haven't even mentioned it on our show yet. So if you hadn't heard yet and you want to get tickets, it's a Friday night. It's at the Biograph, which is in Lincoln Park in Chicago. And it's going to be a great show. It's going to be a couple-hour show because all their shows are. And so if you're interested in going, get your tickets. There will be a link on this episode's show notes. This is episode 329.
Starting point is 01:10:40 You can find a link to the Eventbrite to buy tickets. We hope to see you there. Guys, you gotta go. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be really great. So great. You won't even know how great it is. You'll get tired of how great it is. It's going to be bigly great. So, Tom, this week was an interesting week. We got a lot of different
Starting point is 01:10:58 messages from a lot of different people, a lot of interaction, different places. In this week, which was really interesting, I was called, we were called both social justice warriors level 10. Which is good because I had previously been a level 7. Yeah, I was only level 6. I know. I wasn't able to fight for trans rights, but now I can.
Starting point is 01:11:17 I'm not even like a level 6 cuck. Level 7 is like watching Trump grab your wife's pussy. Right. And I haven't gotten that far yet. Yeah, that's where I was at. Level 10 is actually having the VP run your country while you sit in the corner and jack off. That's a level 10 cuck. Sweet.
Starting point is 01:11:33 Yeah. Okay. I'm actually good with it. I mean, I was kind of going that direction anyway. So level 10 social justice warrior was what we call it one place. I love it. And then we also received an email from the other side of the spectrum. So let me read this really quick.
Starting point is 01:11:48 This was, this was fair and balanced. Yeah. So, Hey, I just wanted to let you know that listening to a portion of your show made me feel physically sick. There was a spike in hate crimes the day after the election and the entire trans community
Starting point is 01:11:58 has been hurting. Just last night I read two fucking suicide notes because my friends can't handle this anymore. I know it might seem, it might not seem that bad from your fucking tower of privilege, but things are scary and sickening from down here. So a social justice warrior level 10 on one hand, tower of privilege on the other. I am very confused about what to do. You know what it is?
Starting point is 01:12:19 Hmm. Nuance. Lack thereof. Huh. It's almost like you have to choose a side in order to please one of the sides super weird i want i've never had a tower of privilege before it's if if it gets too high does it get knocked over and then everybody speaks a different language everybody wears different eyebrow makeup so i uh i took the elevator up to level chola i did i did want to mention though
Starting point is 01:12:49 and i and i want to be clear on what i was talking about when i was talking about the the people that were doing uh that were that were putting swastikas all over the place and things like that the specific example you were talking about right so that's what that's what i'm talking about that's what i was talking about. That's what I was talking about before. And I don't want to demean anybody's experience, right? So when I say that some may be staged, that doesn't mean that all of them are staged. Okay? So that's number one.
Starting point is 01:13:17 Okay? So that's the first thing you have to do is differentiate between whether or not one of them is staged. It could be none of them are staged. It could be a couple of them are. It could be, you know what I mean? Like there's a variant there. I'm being a skeptic.
Starting point is 01:13:29 That's what I'm doing. So I'm not sure whether or not they are. And the reason why I am doing that is because I don't want to just throw everything into a literal Nazi did this. Every single one. It could have been a kid. It could have been a guy who doesn't
Starting point is 01:13:45 like that person and instead shows this way in which to attack them, to hurt them, right? They're doing the thing that they could, you know, it's writing the N-word on a black guy's car, you know what I mean? Like if you're a trans person, you're going to put a Nazi. And that in no way demeans the experience of the person coming out to their car.
Starting point is 01:14:01 And I know that's not what you were suggesting. No, and I'm not. I know you're not. Absolutely. It's a horrible experience whether a little kid did it and just thought he could get away with it or a literal Nazi did it. Right? All I'm saying is I don't know who did it. It's a question of attribution. Yes. That you're – I don't –
Starting point is 01:14:18 So let me – I want to help clarify a little bit because it's a question of attribution, not effect. Right. Right? Because it's a question of attribution, not effect. Right. Right. We are not arguing that these things aren't happening or saying that they don't have real effects. We're just not willing to attribute these things necessarily to the rise of the American Nazi Party.
Starting point is 01:14:38 Right. Until we know for sure that this is that they're attributed fairly to that. There was an interesting thing that happened this week. And I want to bring this back to sort of fake news stories that we talked about last time. There was an interesting thing that happened last week. There was a story that came out from the Guardian, right? And the Guardian posted the story and the story is alt-right online poison nearly turned me into a racist. And it talks about – the quote at the very top says, it started with Sam Harris, moved on to Milo Yiannopoulos, and I almost led to full-scale Islamophobia. If it can happen to a lifelong liberal, it can happen to anyone. And then it's a story by some anonymous person who was not paid, just a,
Starting point is 01:15:28 it's really just a garbage piece. There's nothing to it. It's just a guy who's saying that he was, you know, like, you know, he said online poison. I read some things and it like twisted my brain and I couldn't control myself
Starting point is 01:15:41 or whatever. I don't even know. This is like a fucking reefer madness for the modern day, you know? And, but it was written by some anonymous person, just a random anonymous person. All the best stories are. Right, exactly. All the best stories come from random, anonymous, unpaid editorials. And so Glenn Greenwald tweeted out this week this story and said, I think the anonymity is a problem.
Starting point is 01:16:04 Now, he basically said, here's an example of Sam Harris, you know, twisting people into horrible monsters. That's something like that. I don't remember exactly what he said. And then he put, somebody tweeted back at him, shouldn't we be a little skeptical of an anonymous fucking, like, just an anonymous story by someone who wasn't paid for it by the Guardian?
Starting point is 01:16:20 You know, shouldn't we be a little skeptical of this? And Glenn Greenwald says, I quote in a tweet here, I quote, I think the anonymity is problematic. I assume the Guardian vetted, but the dynamic it describes is accurate. Well, how the fuck does he know? How the fuck does he know that the dynamic is accurate? He just likes it because it fits his narrative. Now, later on that day, a guy who's a Twitter troll by the name of Godfrey Elfwick posted that he wrote the article. He's a Trump
Starting point is 01:16:56 guy. He's a Twitter troll. He's an anti-feminist. He pretends to be- Sounds like a lifelong liberal. He pretends to be feminist, but in like the most trolly ways. He posted some, he posted, I wrote this thing. And then a bunch of people were like, no shit, you wrote it? And he's like, yeah, I wrote it and I submitted it to the Guardian. I wrote a fake piece, a hit piece that was a troll piece. And everybody's like, oh shit, like, oh damn. I can't believe this guy wrote it. And then a couple of people were like, well, where's your proof?
Starting point is 01:17:27 And he shows a screenshot of his files. And it just has the name of an article. Oh, yeah. Well, that's indisputable. Completely indisputable. Wow. But Godless Spellchecker wrote an article about it. And I quote from Godless Spellchecker's article.
Starting point is 01:17:41 Although we are yet to receive concrete evidence to this to confirm the truth of elfwick's confession i find this explanation far more convincing than the claims contained within the original guardian article because it fits my fucking narrative right well people stop fucking sending stories out making stories up that have no proof to them whatsoever like this is an example of one story that didn't have proof and then somebody wrote a counter story with no proof what the fuck is happening man i don't understand why you would want to join the side of i have reason to believe that this is more true than the other true you have no no idea. They're all equally untrue.
Starting point is 01:18:25 They're all equally untested claims. They're all equally untested. All we know is there was a story that was submitted to The Guardian. You have no idea who. You have no idea why. You have no idea if it's true. Yeah, and then you have a guy who says, I wrote the article, but you have no idea how.
Starting point is 01:18:39 You have no idea why. There's no reason to believe that's true or not. Exactly, right? Unless he shows us the receipt that The guardian received from him in some way. Dude, it's ghosts. Right? It's ghosts. You've got to show us something, right?
Starting point is 01:18:49 Where's the evidence? Yeah. Like, show me. Yeah, show me something. Show me the ectoplasm. It's so funny the way those things are written. The way those things are written, they're coming out and saying, I think it's true because I want it to be true. Right?
Starting point is 01:19:00 Isn't that exactly it? That's exactly what they're saying is, I want this to be true, so that's why I think it's true. That's not how truth works. Yeah. There are lots of things I want to be true. Yeah. None of them are true. Yeah. That's not how it works. You know, and I want to I do want to draw it back again. So that was that that goes back to the fake article stuff. Right. Right. And that's, again, why we want to guard against when we're talking about, you know, we're talking about these these crimes that are happening, the quote-unquote hate crimes, because we don't know. I mean, they are hate crimes. I don't want to say quote-unquote hate crimes, because when you wake up and you're a trans person and there's a fucking Nazi sign on your car, that's a hate crime.
Starting point is 01:19:39 No matter who did it. No matter who did it, that's a hate crime. Whatever their intent was, that's a hate crime. No matter who did it, that's a hate crime. Whatever their intent was, that's a hate crime. However, I don't want to get into the mode of let's make – I agree with this. This fits my bias, so let's just spread this out there. I want to try to avoid that as much as possible.
Starting point is 01:20:25 And that InfoWows article and those two articles that I just read, they make me want to be more skeptical of this stuff. They make me want to us a social justice word because of Milo, right? So Milo is this guy who's sort of deified by the people on that side as a guy who, you know, goes out to these places and he speaks his mind and people are upset that he gets shut down at certain places. He gets shouted down, he gets shouted down and whatnot. The thing that we're mad about with Milo, I don't care what he he says because he's just a provocateur and whatever he says is garbage i don't think he has anything worth saying yeah i don't think he's an interesting person i've listened to him on rogan twice and when he speaks the stuff he says is i'm just like i don't care it doesn't make any sense to me i don't believe you're you're the facts you're bringing to bear here and you're just a provocateur so for me it doesn't do anything for me.
Starting point is 01:21:06 So I don't care about the content of what he has to say. I think that a lot of it is baseless and false, but I don't care about it, right? It's the same thing with Ann Coulter. I recognize you're a provocateur. You're out there trying to push buttons. The problem is that he's pushing these buttons, but then he's trying to decide how
Starting point is 01:21:25 people react to it. And you can't do that. Once you let this out in the world, you just can't control how people are going to react. And it comes back to this, this thing that people keep sending us and it's freedom of speech, freedom of speech, freedom of speech. And the problem is, is that it means something legally. Freedom of speech has a meaning. It's like when we talk about it's just a theory in science. When people say evolution is just a theory. Well, that has a real meaning behind it. Theory in science means something. It means that things have been tested, that there's been a long train of testing.
Starting point is 01:22:01 There's a ton of evidence for this thing to be a true thing. That's what theory means in science. What it means colloquially is, oh, it's kind of untested. It's just an untested thing. Yeah, it's just my thoughts on the subject. Exactly. When we talk about freedom of speech, it's the same thing, right? It means something very specifically legally, which is the government can't stop you from saying things. What people take it to mean, and because it's the privilege, or not the privilege, the right of freedom of speech, because when we say right of freedom of speech,
Starting point is 01:22:32 people immediately think, well, I have a right to it. Well, what does it mean? It means I can say what I want. No, it does not mean you can say what you want. It means the government can't stop you from saying what you want. There's a huge difference there, and I think that there's this other sort of specific,
Starting point is 01:22:45 very specific legal term and colloquial use that people mix and muddle. Milo has freedom of speech for the government not to shut him down. He does not have freedom of speech to walk up to somebody. I mean, he does have the freedom of speech to walk up to somebody and say, you know, call a black guy the N-word.
Starting point is 01:23:02 Right. But then he doesn't have, he doesn't get to judge what those consequences are. Well, he can judge them, but he can't control them, right? So, I know we talked about this, but there's a vast difference between legal consequences and social consequences.
Starting point is 01:23:18 And there are vast differences between legal consequences or legal, you know, when the government says you can or can't do something, when the government says you can or can't do something versus when a private company says, I want you here. I don't want you here, right? If somebody gets banned from Twitter, their freedom of speech has not been impugned, right? Twitter, you don't have a right to use Twitter. Let's be very, very clear. You have no right to use Twitter. Twitter is a private company that has a piece of software that you are allowed to use if they let you use it.
Starting point is 01:23:50 You accepted the terms of service. Right. But you don't pay for it. Yeah. It's a free service, but it's a company that's there to make money. That's all they're there to do. The product is the thing they use to make the money, right? This is not the town square.
Starting point is 01:24:02 The product is the thing they use to make the money, right? This is not the town square. If you get kicked off of Twitter, your freedom of speech has not been impugned at all. Because you can still say all those same things. On Facebook. On Facebook. Or outside. You can yell them in the town square.
Starting point is 01:24:19 You can walk down the street. You can publish them in a newspaper. You can write them on a T-shirt and wear it around town. You can do all that. You can go to Breitbart and write an article. Exactly. Exactly. Your freedom of speech has nothing to do with whether or not you've been banned from Twitter. Right? It has nothing to do with whether or not you say
Starting point is 01:24:34 something and somebody calls you a racist. If you say something and I call you a racist, am I impugning your free speech? No, I'm reacting to what you've said. Right? You might not like my reaction. You might not like my reaction. You might not like that I shut you down on my Facebook page, right? So if that happens, I've not impugned your freedom of speech. Your freedom of speech is still intact. The integrity of your freedom of speech
Starting point is 01:24:54 is complete. Nobody has damaged your freedom of speech. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that you can go anywhere in the world, public and private, and scream at the top of your lungs in whatever form or format you'd like without consequences. That is not what freedom of speech is. Yeah. And another thing that people do is they immediately think that we are because if Milo says something and then we point out how he can't have it both ways, they get super mad and they're like, oh, well, you guys agree with the way in which speakers are shut down at universities. Like, wait, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:25:29 Just because Milo was shut down at universities doesn't mean I agree with the fact that these things are happening. I think these things are case-by-case basis. I don't really have a deep opinion on how this is handled. It's basically handled by the universities. Again, just like how Twitter handles it, right?
Starting point is 01:25:45 It's not my place to make a decision on how Twitter is going. It's basically handled by the universities. Again, just like how Twitter handles it, right? It's not my place to make a decision on how Twitter is going to handle Milo. Yeah, I have no doubt. Same thing when it comes to universities. I don't have a way in which to do that. Now, if it's a public university, it's like UIC or something, then maybe I have some interest
Starting point is 01:26:00 because it's a state-run university. But a private university can handle this in any way they want. That's their decision on how to handle it. Do I think that somebody should be able to get up on stage and scream at Milo? If he paid for the venue, I don't think so. I think they
Starting point is 01:26:16 shouldn't come in because he paid for the venue. He gets to decide who comes in. It's like renting a house. I get to decide who comes in. It's the same thing. But he doesn't. When he goes to these places, a lot of these people get this stuff for free. So it's open to the public. When it's open to the public, you have to deal with the public. You have to decide how that's handled ahead of time.
Starting point is 01:26:35 If it's not handled to your liking, then you can do what he's doing, which is attack these colleges after it's not handled to his liking. He has every right to go after these colleges after they've not done what they were supposed to do or what he just thought they should do, et cetera. Write a bad review. That's how being a consumer works. You know what I mean? So for me to step into that process and be like, well, I have an opinion.
Starting point is 01:26:57 I don't even have an opinion. I don't care. I don't care what happens there. And the problem is that everybody is so caught up in what's happening in these tiny little dramas in these in these little universities. They think it's this endemic of this huge problem. I argued with more people this week about how safe spaces were a bad thing in comparison to Trump saying he's going to take away the First Amendment. I saw that. Right. I saw that. You have somebody on Twitter telling me that they're more worried about safe spaces and trigger warnings than they are worried about uh
Starting point is 01:27:30 about the trump saying he's going to take away our first amendment rights because he's going to make flag burning illegal and strip us of our citizenship are you serious i mean are you seriously thinking that that's a more pressing issue right that that they have a place where a couple kids can go play with Play-Doh at a fucking university where they fit. So they don't feel threatened. I don't even care that they do it. Like, you know, it's like, I mean, it just doesn't it boggles my mind that somebody would would put that and say, you know what?
Starting point is 01:27:58 That's a huge problem. And then be like, oh, yeah, he's just fucking he just lit the fucking Bill of Rights on fire. Doesn't matter. I don't need that. Because why? Because it's your guy. Because it's your bias.
Starting point is 01:28:09 That's why. Because it fits the narrative. It fits your fucking narrative. Wake the fuck up, man. It's not about your narrative. It's about how we all interact. Do I think that there could be better dialogue out there? Probably.
Starting point is 01:28:23 Do I think Milo's going to do it? No. I had arguments with people too that were like, well, you know, it's a freedom of speech issue. And then we went back and forth. And eventually what we got to was, look, this just isn't how you prefer for people to be interacting. Yeah. Right? You don't like the way that the opposing view interacted with your speaker.
Starting point is 01:28:43 And I can tell you, I agree. Yeah. Right. I agree. If somebody, if I were going to go, let's say, let's say you and I were going to go to one of these cons and we were going to do our show and then somebody stood in the front, you know, thing and they just blew whistles and we couldn't do our show. Right. Would I be frustrated? Yeah. Yeah. Would I think that was rude? Yeah. I would think that was fucking rude. Would I contact the con organizers and say, you should have had fucking security drag those fuckers out of here. They interrupted my speech. Yes. Would I say my disinvite to the same place, okay. Yeah. That's fucking their prerogative.
Starting point is 01:29:28 Yeah. Right? Maybe I don't like the reason somebody got disinvited. Okay. Well, unless you're invited to my house. But if it's not my fucking house, I've got nothing to say about it. We want to thank Alice. Alice is someone we met in Manchester at QED.
Starting point is 01:29:44 Alice sent us a board game and it's Monopoly. Yeah, but it's the Manchester edition, which means nobody wants to buy any of the properties. We are also in a few hours, less than an hour actually, we're going to be recording with David Smalley for the Podcast-a-thon. You, of course, will not hear this until it's released,
Starting point is 01:30:01 but you can go check out the Podcast-a-thon. I think it's in its entirety on YouTube, unless he takes down our section. Do you know what's funny is if you Google Dogma Debate Broadcast-a-thon, we're the fifth entry that shows up. Awesome. Well, it should be a lot of fun. Thus far, he's – and we're just reporting this right now, so we don't know how far we're going to get. But at this point right now, we're looking at a total amount of 36,952. We're hoping that during our hour, we at least get 5K so Tom can roast him on the air.
Starting point is 01:30:39 Like we said, you're probably going to hear this. You're definitely going to hear this after everything's been said and done because I won't get a chance to mix this show until after we get on with david smalley i don't know what you're going to be doing in the next hour how can't you get an hour and a half show maybe i can mix it talking to him um so anyway better than paying attention to him we got a couple of uh messages that we're talking about uh how to look at the online news more uh in a more reasoned way. And I'm going to put these on this episode's show notes.
Starting point is 01:31:07 One of them was by Stephen Novella. It's entitled Civic Online Reasoning. And the other one's from Forbes, and it's a scientific approach to distinguishing real from fake news. We want to thank the listeners who sent these in. Yeah, thank you very much. If you want to take a look at these, you can go to our show notes, 329. We're going to be interviewing Cara Santamaria later today, which you will hear probably on Thursday this week if it's a midweek show, if I mix it for one, or you'll hear it next Monday. But we're going to be interviewing Cara, and this is going to be one of the topics that we're going
Starting point is 01:31:33 to be talking to Cara with because Cara's a very smart person, and she knows her shit, and she absolutely knows a lot about fake news. We're going to be talking specifically with her about this. We got this email from somebody talking about Good Mythical Morning, specifically the Will It Corndog taste test. I have a 10-year-old, and I got to tell you, like, I love Good – the only reason I'm bringing this up is because I genuinely love Good Mythical Morning. They're really funny guys. If you don't watch that show on YouTube, it's the only time you'll ever hear me say this.
Starting point is 01:32:02 Watch that show on YouTube. That shit is fucking funny. And their Will It series, it cracks me the fuck fuck up i make my son watch it with me now i'm like we want good mythical morning it's like you're the grown-up dude it's your fucking tv and he talks to me like that too i know he's rude that's that's because you're interrupting his porn hub sessions so um so we got uh uh i got a message from Thomas this last week, Thomas from Atheistically Speaking. We're going to be joining him today later on. We're doing everything today. And we're going to be on his 300th show.
Starting point is 01:32:32 So one of the things that we're going to be doing is talking about a lot of the stuff that we talked about at the end of the program here today about deplatforming and things like that. So if you want to hear that, it's on his 300th show. We're going to probably be taking about a half an hour of his time. Oh, so we got a message from Patrick, and Patrick said, I was at a medical clinic a week ago talking to receptionists through bulletproof glasses. This is the comment about bulletproof glass that Jim Baker had made, that they have bulletproof glass in Israel. And he says, the clinic isn't in Israel, and the window there isn't for fear of Islamic extremists.
Starting point is 01:33:02 It's Planned Parenthood and the terrorists in question are the American Christians. I know, great comment. Jackpot win right there. So that's going to wrap it up for this week. Like we said, we're going to have Kara on today. Hopefully that fucking tape doesn't bork. And then we're going to hopefully have that on.
Starting point is 01:33:19 We'll be on Dogma Debate as well, probably on Thomas' show. So check us out this week. Be sure to get your tickets soon because they're going to go off the shelves. They're going to fly off the shelves. So get them soon for GAM Live. We're going to be on stage with the GAM crew. We're super excited about it. Should be a lot of fun.
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