Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 340: Alternative Facts

Episode Date: January 30, 2017

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of Cognitive Dissonance. And see, so we are, what, five days so far into the Trump presidency? Five days into the Trump presidency. This is four and a half days longer than I thought the world was going to last. I feel way more optimistic about 2017 than I have any right to. I know there was a part of me that thought like, hand on the Bible, and then there was the big flash. Well, the gun was in your mouth at that moment.

That was the flash I was waiting for. You don't even hear it. That's what they say. You don't even hear it. That's not for you. That sound is not for you. I bet you probably hear it. No time to dwell on it.

It's ear splitting. Now, if I go out, I'm going to shoot myself right in the heart so I feel it. Exactly, right? Yeah, you just want to... It's not comfortable.

Fuck you. It's like your last act of defiance. It's like carrying all the groceries in one trip. You're just like, fucking I'm going to do it. My head purple. You're just like,

I don't give a fuck. Here we go. $300 worth of groceries. You can't even lift them out of the counter. don't give a shit the dogs you have to set them on the ground be like i can't do it okay i'm gonna do one at a time i do the arm swing and then all the eggs break and the bread's crushed and you're still just like i did it the truck is still open on the car. Someone has stolen your spare at this point.

No, I live in the suburbs, man. I can leave my... Someone's stolen your kid. Yeah. I hope they pay up. Right? We had check every month. So I wanted to talk about, before we get into this show, Tom, we should talk a little bit

about punching Nazis. Pro or con because it turns out this is a big it is this is a big thing this was the thing this week it was the thing this week and it was on social media mainly was the backlash of the Richard Spencer

punch heard around the women's march he got decked by some guy just sort of ran by and punched him in the face and um it was more of like the hedgeler region because the blow kind of glanced all weird it was a weird glancing blow so let's talk real quick about what because there's been some sort of back and forth a lot of people coming out and being like no it's fucking that's fine like punch the fuck out of any nazi you can Nazis are horrible. They should get punched. Um, Thomas did a whole show on

this, but, uh, but I did want to weigh in cause I think I have a little bit of extra insight that they really didn't touch on. Um, you know, I want to talk first though, to say, you know, this is something Eli brought up and I think it's, it's it's valid. The Women's March this last week got 2.9 million people to go out, which is, I think, the number of people that Trump lost by the popular vote to. Oh, yeah. So maybe it was all those women whose vote didn't count, and the electoral college went out. But a great show of solidarity. The women went out, but it, that great, uh, show of, uh, solidarity, the women went out, they,

they went out, uh, men too, it was, is men and women went out, they called the women's march, but you know, men and women went out to show, um, sort of look, we're here. We're not going anywhere. You know, we, we, we oppose a lot of your policies. Um, you won't just be able to run roughshod over us. And it was great. My wife marched in Chicago. Chicago was the second largest

in the nation. Washington, D.C. had a huge number. Chicago had a huge number of people. So I wanted to bring that. I just want to say that because Eli brought that up and it's a great point.

It's like, what gets lost in this punch is the fact that a bunch of people went out and did this great march. And it's like, there was no arrests. You know what I mean?

Like there was no violence except for a Nazi got punched in the face. I mean, there was really nothing. There was no, yeah, no, there was no like writing. There's no cars that were getting burned.

It was great. It was just great. So, uh, and I also want to throw it out there that I don't think Nazi, Nazi ism. If that's a thing, Nazi ism,

Nazi ism, Nazi ism, not a valid ideology. That's a, that's a garbage ideology forism? Nazism. Nazism, not a valid ideology. That's a garbage ideology for garbage people. I just want to, I mean, we recognize that. Do we have to do the caveat where we have to say we're anti-Nazi? Do we have to do that? No, I don't think so. But I do want to say, like,

Spencer is kind of the perfect victim here, because he's a douchebag, he's a Nazi, he's one of these people that you're just like, oh, I don't care if he gets punched. He's completely unsympathetic. Right. Completely unsympathetic. But what if somebody just retweeted him? Am I allowed to punch that person? What if somebody,

I think you can pinch him. Right. On his cooter. On his cooter. Yeah. What if he is, what if instead they just read a bunch of stuff he did and sort of wrote a report on it? Well,

how, how, how far in it, how much Nazi do I have to go? Because right now we know where fucking Spencer is and it's full Nazi, right? Is Nazi like black?

It just takes a drop? Is that how it works? When we talk about like the amount of damage we're allowed to do, right? It's like a punch is okay, right? A punch is okay. Well, how many times

can I punch him in one hour? Am I allowed to punch him every minute for that hour? Am I allowed to punch him every minute for that hour? Am I allowed to continually punch him until I'm tired? Am I allowed to tag you in at a certain point to continue punching? Where do I have to stop? Do we get to line up and punch him?

How does this work? How do we get to decide this? Because we're deciding if it's okay to punch Nazis, then is it okay all the time to all, every time I see one, is it like slug bug? Like every time I see a Nazi, I can punch someone. Like, where does it end? And the thing is, is it doesn't start.

For me, it doesn't ever start. You don't ever get there because you never start there. You can't give up that moral high ground. Well, the reason why we don't torture terrorists is because we want to be able to stand on that moral high ground and be like, we don't torture people. We don't torture people in this country. We just don't do it. So when they do it, we can condemn it. It's the danger of making martyrs, right? When you make a martyr, when you make victim. And so I thought about this this week too. And I come at this from a couple of different angles. The first concern that I have with it is I just

don't think it's effective. And I want to be really clear. Like if I were in a room with Richard Spencer and this is real, if I were in a room with Richard Spencer and he was spouting off all this mean spirited, hateful shit. Yeah. And we were talking and we were having a heated conversation. Might I lose my temper? I don't know. I haven't lost my temper as an adult, right? I've never lost my temper in a physical way as an adult. I have a real good grasp on my temper. Is it possible though? Do I know myself well enough to think, could it happen? Yeah, it could happen. If I hit him, would I be right? I would be wrong. I would be wrong. Would I still sleep at night? Yeah, but I would still be wrong, right? And then I would have an obligation. And we talked about this through the week. I think if I did that,

I think if I lost my temper and I behaved in a way that's not in keeping with what I think and who I think I should be as a person, right? I have an idea about who I should be and what's right and what's wrong and how I behave. And if I lose control of myself and allow the lizard brain out and act on that part of me, then I have acted on my baser instincts, right? I've acted on the lesser part of myself, the part of myself that I should find and control and excise from my character, right? I have an obligation when I do something that is unethical. I have an obligation to examine, identify, and destroy that part of me. I have that obligation if I know it, right? And I think I would know that. I think it's obvious that you don't lose your temper with people because as soon as you've lost your temper, you've lost the high ground.

You've lost control of yourself. And we should maintain control of our base emotions, even when those base emotions might be righteous in their anger, right? Because I don't get to say like, my righteous indignation is somehow different than your righteous indignation. It's all very subjective. Right. I don't want a bunch of people walking around with their fucking righteous indignation. It's all very subjective. Right. I don't want a bunch of people walking around

with their fucking righteous indignation fists out. Right. That's not how you build a civil society. And I know that a lot of people are like, oh, but Nazism is objectively worse than what they think is bad. Right. They think being a trans person.

And I agree. And I agree. Right. But how are you going to convince them of that while you're beating on their friend? Yeah. And right. And I'm going to be But how are you going to convince them of that while you're beating on their friend? Yeah. And right. And I'm going to be like, I'm going to how does that exchange work? Right. First, it assumes I win. Right. It assumes that I'm going to engage in a physical confrontation with a fucking Nazi. And then I emerge victorious. Right. In this fucking fantasy world. Yeah.

We're running around punching Nazis and the Nazis, the ones getting punched. Yeah. yeah right i just want to point out who's who do you think is better at punching yeah right yeah some social justice warrior or a nazi yeah right all right really really i know warriors in the title yeah so is golden state warrior they are not warriors right they're dudes right yeah but i mean like you think about it this is a this is a this is not a this is a guy who you know richard spencer's is the perfect victim though because he's a pussy right he's a giant fucking big baby-faced pussy and he's a nazi he's the perfect victim for this so the problem is is that they punched the right nazi you know what i mean like that's the problem is you you punched the right Nazi. You know what I mean? Like, that's the problem, is you went out and you

found the perfect Nazi to punch. And how would that... Because you're not going to punch the skinhead that just got out of jail. Right, yeah, the guy who's like covered in fucking... You're not going to punch... I'm not going to punch that guy! Fucking... I'm not even going to look at him! I'm going to hope he rings me up without looking

at me. That's what I hope. Okay. That's my very best scenario. It's this, it's the same, you know, bullshit fantasy that like all the gun nuts have, like, I'm going to get myself like a AR-15. I'm going to keep it under my bed. And that way, when the, when the bad guys break in, I can have a shootout here. I can have a defend my house shootout. And it's oh yeah i'm gonna go around slugging the nazis and the nazis will be the ones getting slugged because i'm captain america it's like really yeah probably not you know so i haven't punched anybody in 26 years yeah i the last time i struck somebody with my fist i I was 18. So it's been a while, right? It's been a while, yeah.

So, but again. 20 years, yeah. Yeah, right. So I'm not running around fucking slug bugging folks, right? It's a self-defense issue at this point in your life, right? And that's something I agree with. Yeah, same here. That's something I agree with, right?

Same here. Somebody threatens me or my loved ones, you know, and then, okay, like we, you know, absolutely. Fucking absolutely. And then there's just the the efficacy of it i don't believe it's uh efficacious to our cause right if we're going around hitting nazis then we have to have a fucking debate about whether or not we should have done this yeah and now there's two sides and now we have division there's no division if you don't hit the nazi well and everybody hates the nazi it's not like everybody's like hey man we all dislike the nazi right it's not like everybody's like, hey, man, whoop-de-doo. We were already on the same anti-Nazi side.

We all dislike the Nazi. Right. It's not like Richard Spencer was going to get anybody from our side to be like, yeah, that guy's pretty cool. Right. So we create division on our side of the anti-Nazi movement. Like, we need division there, right? So we have division there. We have made a martyr, and martyrs are powerful.

That's why they're a fucking thing. Right? And then you've made fucking thing. Yeah. Right. And then you've made yourself less. Yeah. And the thing that you get out of it, I don't want to say this. The thing that you get out of it is this feeling of having served righteously your anger. And I'm sympathetic to that desire to serve your anger. Right. I fucking totally get it. Like I'm a real angry guy a lot and i would love to give voice to that violence sometimes there's part of me that would love to do that absolutely right but i also know that i don't get to do that and still look at myself the same way well for fuck's sake this goddamn story this is from the independent uh father and son

so it's a family thing they're a duo that's a fair you know like what do they do because you didn't finish father and son accused of raping 13 year old girl they only want to be judged by the laws of the Bible. And I thought, you know, of all the books that you're going to choose. Sure. You know, I thought, what other book could they have brought in to maybe make their case? The Joys of Sex? The Joys of Sex. Well, yeah.

Caliente. The Kama Sutra. I don't know. You know, page 12. The Jungle Book. You know, I mean, just. the Kama Sutra I don't know the jungle book I want to read a piece of the Bible here this is Deuteronomy 22 28-29

I don't know how to say that here's how you say it Deuteronomy a bunch of numbers who fucking cares if a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman, now they have to make sure that it's a young woman. If it's an old woman, they don't give a shit. A young woman who is not engaged,

he must pay 50 pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her and he will never be allowed to divorce her. And all this guy has to do is prove that he took 50 pieces of silver from one pocket and put it in the other pocket. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's.

Oh, that's sad. So it's a good book to go off of, I think. What an amazing book. He's just going to show up and be like, look, all right, fine. I'll marry the bitch. What do you want from me? Yeah. Sorry.

We can even have the judge do it. He's like a justice of the peace. You're right here. Do you, the rapist, pay your 50 shekels of pennies or whatever? What's the exchange rate on a shekel? How much is that in like American money

at this point? I don't know. Probably 50 pieces of silver. I imagine is a goodly sum of money back then. Yeah, because it's only 30 to betray Jabez. Only 30 to like. Yeah, you turn in the savior for 30. So that's a good chunk of change. Turn Jesus into

Jesus jerky. Gotta get a title loan on your Prius or something. Title loan. The conditions that this person was in was horrible too. This is a kidnapping. This is a terrible, terrible story. They kept this person in a basement for

over a year or something like that and they fed him rotten food and then they went out bowling or whatever. And the person snuck out and wound up getting away. This has been cooking since May. Evidently, the person got out in May. So now they're starting to be arraigned and whatnot and all that stuff.

But they got out last May. And they're representing themselves in this trial. And they're like, well, we'll just bring my favorite book. Yeah. They are representing themselves. And they said, professionals, this is what Jennings told the judge, professionals built the Titanic, amateurs built the Ark. Amateurs also built you porn as well.

Imaginary amateurs built the imaginary Ark. It's like it's like arguing it's like well i would take a lawyer but i'm not going to go with at&t i'm going to go with a cup and a string you know you you gotta wonder if the judge wasn't like these are awful people and they're like we'd like to bring only one piece of evidence the bible and great great awesome that's how i would be too right Bring your fucking old book and show up with it, and then I'm going to put you in jail for literally ever. You are totally

innocent. You're not bringing the Bible as your defense, right? If you didn't do this, because the defense, you know the defense is going to be some biblical version of she had it coming. It'll be interesting if that's the case, right? If that's what he does. What else could he say? It's my daughter and I'm allowed to do whatever I want or something.

I have not asked you to adopt and adhere to my religious beliefs. Why are you asking me to adopt yours? And finally, Mr. Speaker, I'm flattered that you're all so interested in my vagina, but no means no.

Hey, so this is less of a story than a new bill being introduced. You can check it out at congress.gov. This is HR 586, the Sanctity of Human Life Act. Huh, that's weird. Yeah, so see, so why don't you scroll down a little bit? Let me read for the good people. Why don't you just read, because the summary is pretty short. You can just read this.

Yeah. This bill declares that the right to life guaranteed by the Constitution is pretty short. You can just read this. This bill declares that the right to life guaranteed by the Constitution is vested in each human and is a person's most fundamental right. Each human life begins with fertilization, cloning, or its equivalent, at which time every human has all the legal and constitutional

attributes and privileges of personhood. And Congress, each state, the District of Columbia, and each U.S. territory shall have the authority to protect all human lives at fucking fertilization. Yeah. At fertilization. You know, they normally

name these bills different things. They name this one, Make America Get Coathanger Abortions Again. Oh, God! That's what they call this one. Make America Go Back to the Dry Cleaners? You just show up. You know something shady is going on when you show up with one shirt. He's like, no, I need like six.

I just have one today. Coat hangers. That's $1.79. I just need one. Actually, is this blender on sale? You know, make women fall down the stairs again. Oh, God. Punch your wife in the stomach again.

Make women drink bleach again jesus well it could just be make women commit suicide again well that's sad and true and true and true and you know the the thing is like despite the disconcerting number of flobies that are now going to be on on sale this is all these are all things that are going to happen yeah like these are just things that are going to happen. These are just things that are going to happen. If it goes through, and you mentioned earlier what this is for. This is to run up to the Supreme

Court. So it's going to get bounced. And then when it gets bounced, it goes to all the different judges. It gets passed from judge to judge in an attempt to desperately save it. And then it gets bounced and bounced and bounced because all the judges are like, this is fucking totally against the Supreme Court ruling. And then it finally gets to the Supreme Court

and they're like, oh, looky here. An opportunity. Why don't we try to repeal that Roe v. Wade stuff? And I don't know exactly how it works. I don't know how that would work, but they could certainly revisit this particular bill based on Roe v. Wade or they can reinterpret. They can certainly do that.

So there's some things there. One of the things that makes me, if this does, let's say it passes and then like it gets to the Supreme Court and all that stuff. And they finally have this thing, this bill where, you know, it's at fertilization is when life starts. Do I get to drink at 20 years, three months then? Right. Because you know what I mean? Because I was, I'm 20, I'm technically 21. months then right because you know what i mean because i was i'm 20 i'm technically 21 because if life begins at conception then your birthday is my birthday my birthday is three months right after i'm born i like that and you know you could vote at 17 years three months this is you could die in a war earlier think about all the wonderful things you can pay taxes earlier there's so many

you could lose your health insurance earlier. There's so many options. Can we arrest women too since now it's a person? Can we arrest them for not exercising or eating right? Can we do that? Is that possible? Well, you know, think about all the scary. Yeah, that's a scary implication, right?

Fertilization, you have no idea when that. I mean, you don't know. You have no women. It's not like it's like, okay, And you're done. And then that's it. It's a fucking light bulb. Doesn't go off. It's not like a fucking like voltometer where you just fucking stick it up and the fucking light bulb turns on. It's like, Oh, you're pregnant. It's not how it works. So, you know, what are you going to find out when you're six weeks,

probably in the earliest, you know? I mean, okay. Maybe a little earlier sometimes at that point. Yeah. And so what if you, what if you, you know, you don't know you're pregnant, you're living your life and you're having a drink and you're doing, you know,

you're doing your life. And all of a sudden you've threatened the life of the unborn. Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's a fucking horror show. You're doing gang bang porn. Again.

Right. And that's really, that's not recommended after the second trimester. It's just weird. But it makes them easy to sort of trimester. It's just weird. But it makes them easy to sort of spin around because they just sit on that belly and you just spin them.

There's that weird moment where you're like a lazy Susan. I don't know. If she's in a gang bang, she can't be that lazy. Everybody has a way of interpreting them to be the truth or not true.

There's no such thing, unfortunately, more a fact. This is from NBC News. Kellyanne Conway, White House spokesman, gave, quote, alternative facts on the inauguration card. That's weird. Alternative facts. Yeah. So White House spokeswoman and skeleton Kellyanne Conway. And Ann Coulter look alike.

She really is. Yeah. She really is. And it's hard to tell which one is more horrible. Yeah, that's true. At this point. Maybe they're the same person. Maybe they're just like that mask, like the Scooby-Doo thing.

It's like, ah, it was Ann Coulter all along. And you're right. And it's getting a little loose. Yeah, I see what you mean. It's all along. And you're right, and it's getting a little loose. Yeah, I see what you mean. It's all shaky. So when Kellyanne Conway was addressing the size of the crowd at the inauguration, she basically was like, look, it wasn't a lie. It was an alternative fact.

Alternative. She's talking about Spicer. Right. Is that his name, Spicer? Spicier. He came out. Yep. And he said, he was was like this was the biggest

crowd ever and then he said something like but we don't count so we wouldn't know but this is the biggest crowd ever and then they did count they counted the metro ridership and then they counted they took pictures and they showed

the pictures and you can clearly see that there is fewer people at Trump's inauguration than there was before. And there was fewer riders, there was less ridership on public transportation, which they have records for. Sure. And he came out and accused the media of attacking Trump in some way. And then she had to come and clean up after him because people are like, no, that's what he said was not a true.

Like that's none of that is true. And so then she had to come out and say, oh, no, no, he just had different facts. He had different facts than the other facts. But she said specifically, I want to read what she said. When she was cornered on Meet the Press about this, she said, you're saying it's a falsehood.

And Sean Spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts to that. We are in a world right now where we are actually having people come out and use the words alternative facts. Because we're in this post-factual world and we're even pointing it out yeah now we're now we're just pointing it out now we're just like that fucking literally doesn't matter if it's true yeah it doesn't matter we're just going to use an we're going to use a different set of facts that's an astonishing admission of orwellian doublethink. What we need to pay attention to here is that while this doesn't matter,

this particular thing, the inauguration numbers don't matter. It doesn't matter. It's a useless thing. But what matters is that they're priming the pump for this to happen later for shit that does matter. So, we can't let them do this. We have to

push back every single time because if we just wave this off as, oh, it doesn't really matter. Who cares about the inauguration numbers? The inauguration numbers don't matter. It doesn't matter whether Trump won or not. We've got to be careful that they don't keep doing this to us over and over and over again. We've got to push back to this every single time we have to push back. Well, and look at look at George W. Bush's presidency, right? As a great example of why facts matter. George W. Bush sent us to war in Iraq. And think about the fucking carnage and chaos and mayhem that ensued as a result of bad information. If we are in a position where we're willing to accept just the premise, the fucking idea that facts don't matter, that being lied to doesn't make a difference,

that the honesty, the transparency, that democracy requires in order for it to really be true democracy, in order for the government to be answerable to the people, if we take all of that and we just fucking throw it away so that we can have alternative facts, so we can decide that opinions are the same thing as truths. Yeah. Are you fucking kidding me? We already got into a war on that shit. We got into a war that we're still fucking in. We're still in that war. We could get into a whole lot of trouble. This could cost lives, lots of lives. One of the of the things that uh that we can't be sure about right we can't be sure if this is if the reason why they're talking about this sort of

thing is specifically so that they can try to subvert the media's power over the narrative right i think that's part of well maybe right i feel. Maybe. I don't know that. Could also just be that Trump is a big fucking baby. Right. The reason why they went out there, the reason why they're defending Spicer, the reason why they're even doing this is because because Trump made them go out there and do this. Right. Trump made them go out there and look like idiots. And so now they have to look like idiots on TV and say, oh, alternative facts. It's not a real thing. Now they have to look like idiots on TV and say, oh, alternative facts. It's not a real thing. So I don't know what's happening behind closed doors there. I don't know if there's, you know, are they all sitting back with their monocles and their fucking mustaches and they're twiddling them and they're like, ah, we're going to we're going to subvert the media. Or are they saying like is everybody scrambling when Trump walks in the room in rage to try to likeate him because he's mad like a big, giant orange baby that he didn't get the ratings he wanted. You know, I guess both possibilities

are entirely possible, right? And we can't know for certain, and you're right. And I tend to suspect it's the first. Yeah, I mean, you're expecting maliciousness, right? I don't know, right? So I concede that. But I guess, you know, the other thing that concerns me is I don't know how much it matters. It doesn't. I don't know. Right. So I concede that. But I guess, you know, the other thing that concerns me is I don't know how much it matters.

It doesn't. I don't think it matters as much. It's not it's not a huge deal. What worries me is that the end game is that we are eroding the quality and the power of the fourth estate. The fourth estate is the watchdog of democracy. And we've basically said they don't matter. Pull its teeth out. Yeah. And, you know, it also leads me to believe, too, like when when they when Trump was talking about he just he just made a comment to in an interview and he talked about it behind closed doors with a bunch of senators, how there's three million people illegally voting and a bunch of people have called him on it. Like, that's not true. Even senators have come out and said fucking Lindsey Graham was interviewed and was like, the like i mean like like literally i could i could distill down what lindsey graham said in like a three minute speech to the fuck and so we're talking about a crazy

crazy right-wing republican here he's he's wondering what the fuck is happening. This guy, you know, and so the thing is, is like, like, do I believe that Trump is doing this so that he can go down the line and disenfranchise voters? Is he smart enough to work his way down and disenfranchise every voter, work it, you know, like all these, all these different places where he lost, or is he just a big baby and he's super butthurt that he lost by 3 million. And he wants to find some way to erase that loss that he didn't actually lose the popular vote that it's all rigged in his favor. You know, it's all rigged outside of his favor and he could not win that popular vote because it was illegals and he's got to find some way to make that true. So his ego is improving.

I don't know which is, which it's going to do, but I do know the end game is he may disenfranchise a lot of voters, right? So does it matter that he's an egomaniac narcissist? I don't think so. Yeah. Right. Like again, the effect is the same. You know, the cause, we're at a place where the effect is so terrible. The effect is so damning, again, to democracy, to the very idea of democracy. I saw

something today that, and I don't remember who did it, but we got, the United States got knocked down a peg from like true democracy to like a flawed democracy. Yeah, absolutely. Democratometer or whatever the Yeah, absolutely. We're closer to midnight on the doomsday clock, too. This is fucked up.

None of this is good news. Abortions for all. Very well. No abortions for anyone. Abortions for some. Miniature American flags for anyone. Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others. So the story comes from the Huffington Post. Donald Trump reinstates Ronald Reagan's abortion global gag rule. So, you know, when you first take over the role of president, you know, you got a lot of work to do, you know, you got, I mean, Obama did it, you know, he went in and he

reversed the ban on stem cell research so that people could not die. Sure. You know, I was real appreciative of that. And Trump's doing the same thing. He signed a whole bunch of executive orders and like, I think he's in 10 executive orders in five days or something. And one of the things that he's done is he has reinstated a federal ban on U.S. funding for international health organizations that counsel women on family planning options if those options include abortion. So the mention of abortion in a family planning session means that federal dollars will not go to that organization.

So just abortion is an option. No money. Yeah, no money. Yeah, no money. And no money to things like you said, like stem cell research, right? So one of those major things. There was a story recently, KQED did a story on a paralyzed patient starting to regain some movement

based on stem cells. That's amazing. So you know what I mean? So these things are sort of working their way back in and, and he's going to cancel that shit. Like he's going to cancel that shit out. People die. Like every, you know, like, like this is like, I know,

I know we've talked about the effects of a Trump presidency and this is not a matter of like some guy whose policies I just don't like. And maybe he's got a different view about our economic future or even about how we handle diplomacy in the world. We're talking about a guy who's so beholden to the religious right, because that's the only place where stem cell research bans come from, right? That's where that shit comes from. And the same is true for most of the time for opposition to choice when it comes to

abortion. But with regard to stem cell, every year we don't do that. Every year that we set ourselves back on that research, all the people that are eventually saved by stem cell research, that's set back a year. And if the mortality, those people are just fucking dead, man. They're just fucking dead. All those people, like, if it was going to come out,

if there was the fucking next big thing in twenty twenty four and it happens in twenty twenty five, then all those fuckers who died in twenty twenty four from the thing that would have saved them. This is that's his fault. Yeah, that's at his feet. Yeah, that's he's directly and personally responsible for that shit. Yeah, absolutely. And there's no getting around it. You know, it's this, it's this rule, this gag rule that, uh, that Reagan had. And isn't the gag rule just like, if you're, if there's enough saliva, you can get it down there. Isn't that the gag rule? Isn't that, you know, the gag rule typically is one or two gag fine, but by the third, she's going to puke. You know, if these women could just work on their gag reflex, they wouldn't even need abortions. You know, the thing is like,

by the time you hear the gag and you got to let go of the back of her head, you know, it's just fucking polite. That's what it's polite. Right. Polite. I did air quotes. You know,

and that can be hard when you got your hand wrapped up in that hair, you know, it's very true. It's all tangled. You know, it's, it's funny because you're right. You know, when he came in, he did, he did start swiping the pen, right?

He started right now. And a lot of people, he wrote a bunch of executive orders and a bunch of people were asking, hey, you know, you guys were talking about executive overreach when Obama was in office. You kept on saying executive overreach, executive overreach, executive overreach. And they asked Mitch McConnell this stuff. Like, what the fuck? And he said, oh, no, no, it's totally different.

He's just reversing what Obama did. And the Atlantic started looking into it. Like, no, no, he's not. He's not doing that. He's actually, he's going the opposite way and he's not doing exactly. So the fact is,

is that, you know, they say they have a party line, which is, oh, he's just undoing what was done. But it's not that he's going back to, you know, and there's a fight. Every every Democrat and Republican does this back and forth. They do this all this every time. But, you know, this is the eight years that could matter. This is this is where I don't say eight. Don't you dare say eight.

This is the 16 years. Don't you dare say eight. This is the 16 years. Don't you dare. Fuck. What? It's two and then obstructed. No, no. Two and obstructed. It's eight, then 16, then Baron takes over because he's the prince.

I swear to God. Or is he the Baron? I don't know. Yeah, right. It's right in his name. I swear to God. Or is he the baron? I don't know. Yeah, right? It's right in his name. I don't know. So we're going to take a break and we're going to have Andre

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I want to say, though, we've had almost exclusively, almost exclusively men at the glory hole. Dudes at the glory hole. We are. I want to say, though, we've had almost exclusively, almost exclusively men at the glory hole. Dudes at the glory hole. Story of my fucking life. But you know what? The best part is. If I close my eyes. It's anonymous.

If I close my eyes. It's anonymous. You have no idea. I don't know. Some magic of the glory hole. So we are joined at the glory hole by Andre, whose voice does not allow me a lot of imagining. And his facial hair doesn't either. No, not really.

God damn it. Fucking scratchy on that thing. God damn it. And you know, I'm told I have a radio voice too. And I was one, so I host Unbeliever's Radio, which is being retooled. So it might not be called that anymore, but if you want to look for it, go for it.

It's an awful show on some back corner of the internet but i had seth andrew on we had a little bit of banter about radio voices and sort of this like sultriness of them and i'd suggested that he uh do the voiceover work for um david fitzgerald's erotica i thought that would be great if we could pair up that voice right oh well seth andrews is too wholesome for erotica. Oh, yeah. Seth Andrews. Nobody will ever get hard again. He's just too wholesome.

He's just too nice a guy. I know. Right. Can you imagine Seth Andrews doing erotica at all? It would be so formal. First off, like how close he gets to his mic. His proximity effect is already. It's already like it's already

got that phallic proximity effect to it where he's kind of pressed up against his face, you know? How may I be of service to your pussy? I would like to service. You didn't even get a go. Okay, so Andre, you're here not because of podcasting. No, I, Andre, you're here not because of podcasting.

No, I'm not. You're here specifically because of atheist candidates running for office. Tell us what you do. I am. So, I actually run a small political strategy firm called Method Social Kinetics. I'm a political scientist by trade. It's what I do. The podcasting is more of a thing I do for fun to feel like I'm a political scientist by trade. It's what I do. The podcasting is more of a thing I do

for fun to feel like I'm reaching people with important stuff. But what I really enjoy doing is actually politics and political strategy. So the Atheist Candidate Project is a project of Method Social Kinetics, which is my company. And the project is designed to connect people who are thinking about running for public office who are atheists with volunteers, with professionals who know everything from web design to data analysis to political strategy, field organizers, former candidates, and elected officials who are willing to offer mentorship and guidance. mentorship and guidance. So one of the biggest obstacles I think that atheists face when considering running for office is the fact that they don't expect they're going to have a support structure. They think, oh, it's guaranteed I'm going to lose. Well, in Arizona, we proved that wrong this last cycle. We had nine atheists running for public office. That's a lot of dog catchers. Nine of them. Wow. That's a lot of dog catchers. That's amazing. Do they catch a lot of dogs?

Mostly in positions, Mostly in positions. Duck catchers. Mostly in positions that matter, actually. So you're going to get hate mail from dog catchers. I'm going to get hate mail. It's at andreamethodsk.com. Feel free to send me your hate mail. So in Arizona, and I actually had the pleasure of working with all of these candidates through Spectrum Experience.

I think the country's only humanist public relations firm. So if you want to check them out, Spectrum Experience dot com. But we were working with all of these candidates when it was their operations manager and several of them actually won their seats. So we have on the Mesa City Council an elected atheist and Mesa is the most conservative city in the country. So was he was this party? I said he, but I don't know. Was this party an out atheist? Was atheism a part of their political strategy and campaign? It wasn't actually part of his strategy so much as like he, he ran on, on humanist values

and he wasn't like closeted, but it was sort of his atheism was the way most of us are atheists. We just, we just don't believe in God. It doesn't really define much about our lives. Um, but his But his policy positions were most certainly humanist, and he had focused on his values and what mattered to him when he was running and meeting voters. So I'm curious, I'm real curious about this. Did you guys have to do work or did the public relations have to do any work to mitigate his atheism? Did his

opponents attempt to use it in a way to paint him as less sympathetic to the electorate? And that's what's amazing about what's happening in Arizona. It's a red state. Everyone thinks, you know, conservative, wild west. Oh, yeah. No, it's a garbage state. It's a garbage state. We know this is a garbage state.

Yeah. And, you know, Phoenix is a giant suburb for anyone who's wondering what Phoenix is like. So you've got to cover a lot of ground. Nobody's ever thought. It's hot weather and plateaus. That's really all. It's only 122 degrees in the summer that's not bad jesus it's like it's fucking denature's proteins these soft boiling egg jesus god 122 degrees yeah well so i have a flock of ducks and they

were of course stressing because they were being baked outside um i had to bring one of the ducks i like to roast them. I don't like to, you know, bake duck. It's like at 122. That's like a sous vide. I know. It's brutal. And Arizona's a cattle state.

So we got all these cows out in the seat. So I'm just waiting for, you know, but you know what? Medium rare. Donald Trump says. They start medium rare. You just, all you have to do is take the cow, get a good sear on him, slit her rare. Donald Trump says. They start medium rare. You just, all you have to do is take the cow, get a good sear on him,

slit her tongue. It's perfect. Well, you know, Donald Trump says global warming's not a thing. So we should be fine. It's only been, you know,

the hottest year on record 17 years in a row. It's not a trend or anything. Wait, that's your opinion. Yeah. That is, climate change is an opinion.

Hold on. Let me check the EPA website. Oh, it's down. Forget it. Let's call someone. Oh, they's your opinion. Yeah. That is climate change is an opinion. Hold on. Let me check the EPA website. Oh, it's down. Forget it. Let's call someone. Oh, they can't answer. It's a phone call. It's a gag order.

We are not here right now. Do you count as media? You count as press? Do we count as press? No. We don't count. No. No, we don't count as press.

First of all, we can't count. But you heard about Alex Jones getting offered press credentials for the White House, right? Oh, God, I love press credentials. I would ask the most inappropriate questions every single time. I would get one shot. I would get one shot at that. I would be in all the jails. I would be simultaneously in prison.

I know they just reopened the black sites. Yeah. I saw a thing that they reopened the CIA black sites. That's because the black people are getting up. Now they're just calling them sites. We made our guests uncomfortable. So it's interesting that that that they're not using this as a weapon because because and I'll and I'll bring people's attention back to the DNC. Trying to use Bernie's nonreligious affiliation against him.

You know, Wasserman Schultz was writing emails about how they were trying to utilize this non-religious affiliation. And I don't even know that they said atheist. They really kind of just sort of said non-religious affiliation. Yeah, and I don't think they actually came out. No, actually, in an email, I think they did ask if he was an atheist. Yeah, they came. There was some hullabaloo about it. A little bit, yeah. But I think there's a consensus amongst groups I'm associated with who identify as the Democrats of fuck the DNC. But at least in Arizona, and it still matters to a degree. It depends on where you're running,

who you're running against. But in Mesa, I imagine it would have been seen as petty because the district right next to, like, actually overlaps Mesa a little bit, is Legislative District 26, where Juan Mendez,

an open atheist, has been reelected twice. Well, sort of. He was re-elected to his House position and then he ran for the Senate and won. And then Athena Salmon, he won. We call that a callback. Good for you.

Good for you. I'm casting a wide net. So, Athena Salmon, she actually ran for his open house seat and she won. Also an open atheist. Now she won. There you go, Tom. I got it. Got it.

All right. So she also won her seat. And the crazy thing is. You're such a douchebag, Tom. You're cackling like a fucking lunatic over there. It's so funny to me. Oh, God. Anyway, I'm sorry.

So, I'm your best friend. Not anymore. You're a racist. I'm your racist best friend. I'm going to punch a Nazi before the night is through. I'm your favorite Juan. the night is through i'm your favorite juan this poor guy is so uncomfortable oh i feel bad i feel bad that's okay you two didn't know i'm hispanic it's cool i'm i'm i hear i'm passing uh i said the funny thing but it's not really a funny

thing it's actually interesting. So you were talking about how Cecil, you mentioned, was there atheism used against them or in the case of the individual who won the Mesa City Council, was his atheism used against him? In Tempe, where I live, which is what the rest of the state calls a liberal cesspool, the not identifying with humanist values actually became a liability one of the other candidates for an open house seat identified himself as a humanist really yeah and he was he's catholic and you can be catholic and have humanist values i mean that's totally fine yeah but the fact that that needed to be public says something very significant about the legislative district i live in which is why why the GOP, of course, is so interested in cutting it into pieces.

And they weren't able to. Thank you, Supreme Court. We'll see how long that lasts. I know. Right. But in my district, that became a liability. And that is incredibly interesting. It means at least in some places, probably the first to be, you know, trumped into order.

I like that. Being an atheist is not only not a bad thing, but it might actually help you. So we're starting to see a shift. Is it a young area? Oh, yeah. I wonder. That's what does it, right? I think the demographics matter.

I bet you if you went to college towns across the country. We have the largest university in the state. Yeah, I was thinking Madison, Wisconsin. I was thinking, you know, Southern Illinois University. All the places where there's big, large college towns, and I don't know a lot of all the college towns, but you know what I mean? Like all those places where that large group of young people exist

and is a voting bloc, I bet you you'll probably have atheists could be popular in those places. But if you go to fucking Mobile, Alabama, you're never going to be able to leave. We're talking about the population that actually lives there. The residents of that area

who aren't students also tend to be super liberal. So it turns out if you put an institution of book learnings in the middle of a city, that population becomes more liberal over time. And ASU is the largest university in the country. It has 83,000 students. Holy shit. Does it really? University of Phoenix? No, no, no, no. I said, I said university. We're talking legitimate colleges,

legitimate institutions. All right. So specifically, what do you do for the organization? What's your specific role? So my responsibility right now is management. And my task is to get this off the ground. And then hopefully if fundraising goes well, I'll be hiring and managing some staff that we'll be putting in several states. So I've been talking to Arun Ra. And you heard Arun Ra is running for the state legislature. Let me rephrase that. He's announced that he int Ra is running for the state legislature. I just did. Let me rephrase that.

He's announced that he intends to run for the state legislature. It's a statutory thing. You can say you intend to until it's official, right? You've got to love the law. But he intends to run for Texas state legislature. And what I've chatted with him about is essentially building a coalition around him of candidates in Texas. So we might have as many as four candidates so far in texas oh wow we're uh we have three in arizona um why are you focusing on the south we're just south because it's gross that's where people feel most beleaguered um

that's where people are are most invigorated to run but feel like they have no sure they feel like they have no one to support them. Trust me. If I could find a ton of candidates in beach districts in Southern California, I'd be in Southern California on a beach. I guess what I mean is like David Smalley's in California. Yeah, there's a paywall for that beach though.

Yes! Yes! I love this man. Hey, can I have your mic? I want to drop it. Oh my God. God. Even at the glory hole, David Smalley can't get any respect.

You know, I heard he's now on podcast Juan. You brought it home. You brought it home. Good for you. You're fired. That was a shitty job. So what can people do that are interested in your product? Like, I'm listening to you.

I'm excited. I'm interested. I'm not in Arizona because that's a garbage state. So I live where actual people are. What can I do to help? So, oh man. I'm not not your cattle griddle place or like whatever you guys have you know we we have actual cities there's like six million people in the phoenix metro area wow yeah that's a lot of people all right i'll grant you a lot of legal immigrants

a lot of people yeah well no no we voted for trump i just don't count arizonians as people so i was like i mean like hold on what is that times three-fifths what is what is six million times three carry the one you know it might as well be that's how many of us don't vote so that's it and the first thing i'm gonna throw out there is money. We need money. How else can we help? I've got a whole list of stuff for you. So I haven't paid me this month and I really, really like eating. I can't tell you how much I love having food and like a house. So I personally have a lot riding on this, but I need to be able to hire people. These skills are expensive. And I think one area where candidates could probably do better is explaining how expensive a campaign is. A conservatively run state legislative campaign in Arizona can cost $40,000. They're not cheap. And that's for a state legislative position. We're talking graphic designers, web designers. You need to pay field organizers. You've got to be able to pay for yard signs, which are not cheap,

road signs, online advertising, video production, photography. There's a whole bunch of skills in there. And I realize we think we can pay photographers with exposure, but I mean, that Walmart doesn't take that anymore. They want actual money. So I've got, we've got a lot of things that we need to be able to do for a lot of candidates hopefully. And in order to provide an infrastructure that can support a large number of candidates, there's got to be funding. I have to hire – most immediately I've got to hire someone for data analysis so we can actually start building out ground strategies for these – for the districts we're targeting. So we're not wasting our time knocking on every door. We can focus on the district – the areas that are going to have the highest efficacy voters. And there's a lot of science that goes into this. So it's very expensive. So if you want to contribute money, which would be very, very helpful at this point, you can visit atheistcandidates.com. contribution on there, or you can do a one-time contribution. If you don't want to contribute money or you can't contribute money, and I completely understand because I can't contribute

money to anything right now. I get that. If you could share it online, just put it on your social media, that is free advertising. That would be incredibly useful to the campaign and super helpful. Now, beyond that, if those two options don't work for you, or if one of those options works for you, but you want to do something more, you can actually sign up to volunteer. So let's look at a state where we don't have any atheists who have indicated that they're running so far. Illinois. Okay. It's your home state.

Your backyard. I'm going to run. I'm going to run. I will take that on just for fun. Can you imagine they pull this show? They don't even have to excerpt. Yeah, no, because they don't need your horrifying sex tape. You might do all of us.

Sex tape is not horrifying. It's beautiful. It's a wonderful expression of a man's love. For a donkey. That was a consenting donkey. It's a Democrat donkey. She rejected my proposal. Tried to get the ring out her hoof

or whatever they have. I don't even know. No, I divorced that. Say she was an ass. That's all I'm saying. Oh, gosh. A big ass. I was going to say donkeys are usually used to something a little bigger.

That was a species wide insult. That's for all of you. So if someone runs in Illinois, how would you help? So someone runs in Illinois, right? Well, let's go back to the either what's going through their head. Their mental process here is I'm not going to have a support network. There's not anyone. I don't know how to do this.

There's not anyone who's going to support an atheist running in Illinois' corn half. So you've got a corn half. Corn three quarters. Corn three quarters. The corn hole is most of this state. Most of the state is pure corn hole. It's all like helicopter-sized insects and corn in the southern half of the state is pure cornhole. It's all like helicopter-sized insects and corn

in the southern half of the state. It's incredible. It's incredible. So in your corn half, an atheist decides, or two-thirds, three-quarters,

whatever, an atheist, three-fifths, an atheist decides they want to run for public office or is at least considering it.

They stumble upon this website or someone says, I heard about this project and they see there's already 14 people who want to volunteer for an atheist candidate. There's already six professionals in Illinois who are willing to put in work on an atheist campaign. We have three former candidates and elected official who want to provide mentorship and guidance to someone who wants to run for public office in Illinois, that barrier to entry is gone.

It's made it that much easier because they don't have to do that groundwork. And that's the whole idea. The great thing about this is a lot of this work can be done remotely. If we only have one person who runs in Illinois, people in Arizona can make phone calls for that campaign. Even if you just had one running person running in Illinois. Even if you just had Juan running, a person running in Illinois. If people were going to find out, where would they find this? Where would they find you on the web?

So that's going to be atheistcandidates.com. Well, thanks so much for joining us today. It was really very informative. I hope that more atheists start to run. Oh, absolutely. And you know what? Atheistcandidates.com. I'm going to throw that out there again if you want to run. Oh, absolutely. And you know what? AtheistCandidates.com. I'm going to throw that out there again if you want to volunteer.

If you're a professional who has any skills that could be useful to a campaign, we're looking for you and you can plug in even how much you charge per hour and let us know so we can connect you with folks who will give you money. Former candidates, current elected officials, let us know and if you wish to remain anonymous, just put that in a note on the form at

AtheistCandidates.com. We'll be happy to make sure you stay anonymous while you're helping to narrow that gap of representation in Congress. More atheists do need to run. Most can't even climb a full set of stairs. So this is an important cause. Thanks for joining us. Well, thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

They can only climb one set of stairs. Okay, they claim they're feminists, but what they actually are, they are sexualists. It has nothing to do with empowering women anymore. We've earned the right to vote. We have equality in the workplace. If we don't, we can fight that on a one-on-one basis. But everything they're about now is kind of about from the head down. It has nothing to do with women's brains or their hearts.

This story is from Right Wing Watch. This is Rick Joyner. Women's March was a blatant manifestation of the Jezebel spirit. Not again. Not again, Cecil. Rick Joyner, here we go. I think it was a major revelation that the day after Trump took office that what I think was one of the most blatant manifestations of the Jezebel spirit. The fuck is the Jezebel spirit? How many different spirits are there in this fucking world?

The Jezebel spirit is what you give a girl if you want to date rape her it's a don't ask me how i know that this drink is called like a fading sunset or something it's got like it's got you know gin and jeze spirits. We call this one the lights out. Ever would manifest in our country. You know, as I shared before, you know, this is less than a fraction. I mean, it was just a fraction of 1% of the women in our country. Yeah, it's only 3 million people. Yeah, well, what do you expect out of protests? 3 million people. And he's saying it's only a fraction of 1% of the people in our country.

He's right. It's only a fraction of 1% of the people in our country, but it's a much larger fraction of people who voted. Yeah. Right. You know what I mean? It's representative of all the people that, like you mentioned before,

this is a representative number. Funny enough of the same number of people that voted for hillary and not for trump not for right in the yeah yeah so there's no way to minimize three fucking million people i mean he's going out of his way to try to do it right but it's kind of like when we make fun of the one million moms yeah because it's like 900 moms yeah first of all well there's like 50,000 of them and you're like okay that's not a million it's not yeah you're you're fucking over 900,000 of them. And you're like, okay, that's not a million. It's not. You're fucking over 900,000 off. And they said a million women marched and there was

2.9 million women all across the country. Now, they weren't in one place a million strong, but they were close to a million strong in D.C. And that is an incredible... A quarter million strong in Chicago. How do you minimize that turnout? Marched in those marches.

That is, to me, what manifested there is not a representation of the women in America, but I believe it is a signpost and a marker. Well, then why are you talking about it even? If it's nothing, if it's a blip, then why do you even care? Like, why do you even give a fuck that 2.9 million people marched if you're like, oh, well, it's not even really a sign. It's not a big deal. It's a, this isn't exactly, this isn't representative at all.

Well, then why do you fucking care, man? The answer? Because he's scared of ghosts. Yeah, exactly. And I'm fucking serious. He's about to say, but I'm afraid of ghosts. He'll phrase it a little differently, but he's fucking Casper scared. Yeah.

The only thing that's missing is a flashlight underneath his face. This is a guy who won't buy Boo Berry cereal. One thing, there was a rage there. I'm wrong. Poltergeists. Oh, yeah. I'm wrong. I thought it was ghosts.

It's poltergeists. It's poltergoosts. Everybody I talked to in D.C. said these were so rough. Yeah, they were so rough. There was zero arrests. They were so angry that there was zero arrests. Yeah. But, you know, like embedded in that is a lot of the criticism that I've heard from that side, which is like, yeah, these are fucking, you know, ugly women or like fat women. Like I saw, I saw this thing on my social media. I don't remember where it came from. So forgive me, but it was something like, you know, um, uh, Trump got more fat women out to walk in like four days than Michelle Obama did in eight years. Right. And it's like, that's a, that's exactly why these women are protesting. Right. Like the, because you're judging their

size. You're reducing women to a less than status based on some irrelevance about their personal appearance rather than, you know, the entirety of their personhood. Like you so don't understand that. Yeah. That your criticism belies the very thing that they are protesting. They're being dehumanized. Yeah. You so don't understand that that even in the point of criticism. And I think that's what he's getting at, too. And he's like,ized. Yeah. You so don't understand that, that even in the point of criticism. And I think that's what he's getting at, too. And he's like, they're rough. Like,

right. He's trying to say, like, these aren't sweet, demure American housewives. These aren't women who are going to cook you dinner. Right. Exactly. These are women who are going to spend their time supposedly cooking you dinner, making a protest poster. Exactly. Bitch right he's like fuck where's my foot rubs and they they had less than um i would say complimentary things to say about that just said it was a striking contrast between those who were there to demonstrate in the women's march and those who were there for the inauguration are. No shit, dumbass. That's because they're there for two totally different reasons.

That's like being like, yeah, you know, I went to church today and there was a wedding and a funeral and there was a striking contrast between the people who came for the wedding and the people who came for the fucking. No shit, you fucking moron. We were just there and work there. They just said there was something on there. There was a meanness. There was a rage. Yeah, because they're fucking angry. That's why they're protesting.

Did you miss that part? They were like, oh, yeah, everything's going great. Let's protest. What the fuck? What would you be protesting? You'd be like, oh, what? Did you not want to cook me dinner? That was very unattractive.

There it is, right? Bitches ain't hot when they're autonomous, right? There's no way when you're wearing that hat and no makeup, I'm going to fuck you. It's just not going to happen. It's just not going to happen. I don't care how artistic your fucking sign is.

I don't care. I just don't give a fuck. If you're not in makeup and heels, I don't care how artistic your fucking sign is. I don't care. I just don't give a fuck. If you're not in makeup and heels, I don't even want to fuck you. I don't even want to look. I don't even want to think about fucking you. All I want to do is think about fucking your friend. I'll fuck the hat. And they use other terms. terms, but to me, it was a manifestation of the Jezebel spirit that I think has been seeking to,

and to some degree, has taken a huge amount of dominion over our whole country. Oh, yeah, because I thought just a minute ago there was hardly anyone, and now it's a huge dominion. It's a lot of people. It's not enough people when I want to minimize and reduce the effect, right? But it's a lot of people when I want you to be scared. Sure. When I'm trying to sell you fear, it's lots of people. When I'm trying to assure you that I'm on the right side of history, it's de minimis. Yeah.

All in the same message. We're a minute 42 into his fucking gerbil flora. It's not like the beginning and the end of a book here. Right. Now, Jezebel in scripture, there is a Jezebel spirit in scripture. And it's not just something that happens with women. I think men can have a Jezebel spirit. But hey, man, it's 2017.

It's a continuum. If they're fagolas. Ari's got a little here, a little there. I don't fucking understand how much of what she has. She's kind of got a little Jezebel and a little gizmodo. And I don't know how much. I got to call her. They,

I said, she, it's they, I think it's they, I think, I think they prefer they because he or she doesn't work for non-binary. Cause you. Yeah.

Right. Cause it's non-binary. It's non-binary. So you've got to do something else. And I think it's they. I'm trying, man. Can I just say Ari? Yeah.

Yeah, you can use the name. Because I'm just going to use the name. Because I feel like I'm not going to fuck that up. Totally fine. You can use the name. It basically is a spirit that seeks to seduce God's people into sexual immorality and into the worship of idols. That's what Jezebel did in scripture. She was the evil, wicked woman who...

Who had a fucking house fall on her and there was a fucking brick road. I don't give a fuck. Jesus. She's such a goofball. She worshiped idols. Did somebody take her fucking ruby slipper off? Where the fuck is Kansas?

Married an an evil wicked king were there flying monkeys you asshole of israel ahab and both of them were complicit in what happened to israel during this and and i think it's been taken over our country i think it's what's manifesting to a large degree in Hollywood and a lot of the entertainment industry that is so sexually perverting. And the perverting and the perversions up there and the perverts

with the perverting. The thing that makes me crazy about when they're busting on perverted shit, man, fucking Michelle Obama went sleeveless and they fucking flipped their shit. This woman's been naked before. And I don't want to slut shame her. She could be naked all she wants.

I don't give a fuck if the first lady wants to walk out naked. I don't give a shit. It doesn't matter to me. But, you know, like they're not consistent with their own people even. You know what I mean? Like everything is slut this, slut that, awful, terrible sexual immorality, this and that. And you're like, but the guy that's in charge of your side has a woman who's posed nude before that and you fucking conveniently forget about that yeah well you know here's the other thing is like this whole thing like they're perverted it's perverse i don't

even know what that means and i'm not fucking around i don't know what that means what is what is perverted yeah it means fucking you didn't fuck your missionary like yeah exactly like it's some kind of sex that he that fucking fucking Rick Joyner doesn't want to do. Then don't fucking do it! Great, dude. And like, chances are you couldn't fucking get your body

to do it anyway. You'd have a fucking heart attack. Jesus, it's like you're fucking in a sumo suit. I just don't even understand what that means. Like, if somebody's like, the thing you do is pervert,

I'd be like, well, then fucking don't do it. I don't, it's a meaningless term. If everybody says yes, what fucking difference does it make? It doesn don't do it. It's a meaningless term. If everybody says yes, what fucking difference does it make? There's no such thing as perverted. The only thing that's perverted to Rick Joyner is when he can actually see his dick. When he can see his dick,

then he's like, nope, nope, it's all off. He has to have a system of fucking mirrors and pulleys. It is. It's like the National Treasure thing with the mirror that bounces off the four other mirrors that works its way down. And then an electron telescope or microscope. I keep saying telescope. Electron telescope.

I want an electron telescope. Why do I keep saying that? What a stupid fucker I am. Those balls are huge. And the perversion up there and what manifested in the crudeness just of their speech and their talk. You know, what father would ever want to hear

that kind of thing coming out of his daughter's... His daughter's vagina? Not everything a woman says is for her fucking father to hear, right? Right. Like, what father would want to hear that? What father would want to hear the dirty fucking shit that gets said during sex?

Be like, oh, hey, dad, here's what I said when I was getting fucking railed. I had a voice recorder just for you. Here's the video, Dad. I hope you're proud. I'm going to play it at our purity ball. It sounded a lot like... Here's me quacking, Dad.

And how about our father in heaven? But I couldn't even imagine. I mean, across the limits. Look, I was in the Navy. And I fuck like four dudes. Not everybody in the Navy fucks dudes. Most of them. I have heard stuff.

I've been in locker rooms. I've heard a lot of crude talk. But it just didn't seem as bad as what was coming out of some of these women during that women's march. Because you were the one that was saying it, you sexist fuckwit. This guy is so fucking he's so, he's so fucking unaware. It is amazing. When I did it, it wasn't as bad as when you do it, penis. Like, really?

Really? What the fucking fuck? You're the worst. You're the fucking worst. He's so unaware. He has no idea what he's saying. He's so unaware. It's outstanding.

In D.C. now, why was there such rage? Well, because they're mad that their rights are being trampled on. And the president treats them like second-class citizens and brags about sexually assaulting them. And treats them like you're treating them by dismissing them because they're not pretty. Right. Dehumanizing. He dehumanized four or six, like a bunch of women when he said they weren't pretty. Right. Dehumanizing. He dehumanized four or six, like a bunch of women when he said they weren't pretty.

He does it all the time. He called Hillary a nasty woman. And he also talked about how ugly all the Senate, all the people's wives were and things. He's gone on his way to do this. Ted Cruz's wife he went after. He fucking had a feud with Rosie O'Donnell. He called her everything. He went after his own beauty

pageant winner thing. He's just like, that's why they're mad, because the fucking leader of the free world is a fucking misogynist pig. That engenders some rage within the people being dehumanized. That's demonic, everybody. It is absolutely demonic. So this is Right Wing Watch. Cecil, this is Jim Baker. Trump's critics look demon possessed.

I've noticed that about you. I just want to say I've noticed the horns features. Yeah. I scare kids too. You know, if you stopped carrying the pitchfork everywhere and wearing your goat legs around, the problem is,

is that, okay, first the pitchfork helps me move the hay a lot quicker than my hands. And that's why it was created. Right. All right. And the goat, goat legs, they keep the mosquitoes off my legs. And they are in this season.

Yeah. Yeah. Goat is the new black. I actually got feigning goats, so my legs go to sleep when you scare them. So if you lift your arms up like this, my legs just go to sleep and I fall over. Somebody opens an umbrella and you're just... My legs just fall right over. Yeah.

Expensive, though. Yeah, well, they're worth it. I will say those... You know, splurge on you. Those feigning goats are. Expensive, though. Yeah, well, they're worth it. I will say those... Splurge on you. Those feigning goats are easy to skin, though. All right, so this is Jim Baker. Demon-possessed people. I watch a lot of news because I'm trying to find out what's going on.

I just love this guy. Is that why you watch a lot of... I'm like a woman next to him just like, why am I here? What am I telling my life? I watch the news to know what's going on. That's literally what it's for. What else would you watch it for? I watch a lot of news because I like to jerk off to Megyn Kelly.

Okay. That was a statement of fact. I was like, yeah, I'm right there with you. That's good. Is she on? I've run through a statement of fact. I was like, yeah, no, that's, yeah, I'm right there with you. That's good. Yeah. Is she on? I've run through a lot of TVs. Have you ever looked into the eyes?

Speaking of eyes, he has like fucking sharky deadlines. Like look at his eyes. Like you couldn't have more beady, black, terrifying pig eyes than this guy. Like this guy, this guy is, he's like a fucking bat. He does. He does not have human eyes. He really doesn't. He doesn't.

He really doesn't. You ever watch Supernatural where the eyes just flip black and the fucking demon comes out? He's right there. He's fucking right there. He totally has a flip top eye. Of some of these people,

even the Republicans that are so mean right now did you ever see so many mean republicans there i mean there really is don't don't forgive i mean forgive me but i'm telling you look at the audience the audience they've never shown hold on hold on now there's two four six eight ten twelve fourteen people in this picture. They never showed the audience. That's a pretty big... I think that's a lot of size of the... 14 people? You think that it's about 14 people

that show up? Dude, they're all sitting at fucking bingo tables or whatever. They're all on their rascal scooters. They're all 100 years old. There is no one in that audience. There is no one in that audience that could walk a mile. Yeah, there's nobody in that audience that doesn't dye their hair. Right.

Well, the ones that still have some. The bald lady in the front doesn't dye her hair. She's super bald. She's super, super, super bald. Sorry. I should be making fun of cancer patients like that. She's growing her one hair out. She's adorned it with one big giant scrunchie.

This is the most elderly, obese group of people I have ever seen. You're an old group of people that's really concerned with food. I think that that's kind of his demographic. I just think they should make the buckets smaller. Can you picture any of these people picking up a five-gallon bucket of something?

No, I can't. It can't happen. All of their bones would break simultaneously. Their spine would shoot out their back. They'd be like... And then they just fall right over like the fainting goat pants. They are all the elderly version of Mr. Glass. And then they just fall right over like the fainting goat pants. They just like punk.

They are all the elderly version of Mr. Glass. Just every bone simultaneously breaks. There's some people that I'm concerned that are demon possessed. I mean, they're just going crazy. Yes. And they look, their eyes look like demons coming out of them. I'm scared. Satan won the war.

I'm not scared, but I think we're in the war. I think we're in the great battle. Yeah, of course you do, because you want to sell buckets. It's amazing, isn't it? If Hillary wins, when Hillary was going to win, right, it was like, man, if Hillary wins, I saw stars falling to the sky and his nuclear weapon. Now Trump wins, right?

And he didn't see it coming either. And now he's like, oh, the critics got demons in their eyeballs. So they're clearly demonic and they're clearly, look, here's the deal. They're going to take away all your food. And you're going to need your food.

The demons are fat. If you're in my audience, I can hear your fucking scooter when it backs up. I know we have to put up, we had to put a handicap entrance on this place. So you guys could roll up. They put scooter charging stations at every table. It's a bit seriously though.

Like this is again, it's, it's everything he says. Every, every clip we get is him positioning a way to sell one more bucket right it's it's the apocalypse is nigh even if the thing he wants to have happen happened yeah right trump is in office he's the fucking he's a sordid god or whatever he's fucking he's gonna cut down all the demons he's the one in charge and it's not that the thing is is like fucking he's got to come against

the republicans he's got to say the republicans are demonic because the democrats don't even have any control like that's a great point i mean he's got to say the Republicans are demonic because the Democrats don't even have any control. That's a great point. He's got to be like, well, the Republicans are bad. Yeah, everybody who does, everybody who says anything against his guy, right, because all he wants to do is create division because division is strife and strife is war. So he's trying to do this. And it's so

fucking blatantly transparent unless you're one of these fucking diabetes commercials sitting out in the fucking audience. You're sitting out in the fucking audience. You're sitting out in the audience breathing real heavy. Of the Antichrist. I believe the spirit of Antichrist. Now, if you take like one part spirit of Antichrist and one part spirit of Jezebel.

Yes. And then you put a little bitters in it. And I'll tell you, there's a warfare in the heavenlies. In the heavenlies. Where's the war going to take place, folks? Oh, it's up in the heavenlies. Where's that? I made it up.

The heavenlies? It's not even in heaven, it's in the heavenlies? I love the look of glee that came across your face when you said the heavenlies. Like, oh boy, oh boy, the heavenlies. Oh yeah. Yeah, it's the heavenlies when you said the heavenlies. Oh boy! Oh boy, the heavenlies! Oh yeah.

It's the heavenlies, Tom. The heavenlies. That's a new show on the fucking CW. Okay, it's actually what it is actually. It's an award ceremony for heaven. It's just like and you, Archangel Gabriel, you win the heavenlies! It's just like a stick with a halo on it.

Jesus, you win every year. God. Let one of us win. Leonardo's up there. He's like, fucking, I never win. There's a controversy about whether the Heavenlies are racist. They're rigged. Every year they give it to a Jew. The Jews control the heavenlies.

And I'll tell you what, the church, man, we used to sing church triumphant, you know, onward soldiers. And I'll tell you. Onward. He's literally dying right now. God, it would be great if it was true He's literally dying right now. God, that would be great if it was true. He's dying right now. It would be amazing to watch him die on stage. It'd be awesome if he starts to die and they just start dumping buckets on him.

Desperately trying to save him. They're like, they're opening like, where's the defibrillator bucket? You want answers? I think I'm entitled. You want answers. I want the truth. you can't handle the truth creationists this is fucking amazing i the creationists claim beowulf proves humans and dinosaurs coexisted do you know why this is my favorite beowulf and grendel is that is my

favorite story of all time that is my absolute favorite. Do you know how many times I've read Beowulf and Grendel? In the original Old English? No, no, no, no, no. No, no, that shit's crazy. So you read the Aramaic then? I fucking love some Beowulf. I have so much love for Beowulf. And then John Gardner's Grendel is my absolute favorite book.

So when I found this, the idea that you would use the fucking epic poem Beowulf. And then John Gardner's Grendel is my absolute favorite book. So when I found this, the idea that you would use the fucking epic poem Beowulf, are you fucking kidding me? It's a fucking epic poem about, it's an epic poem about fucking Vikings fighting monsters. And then you fight the monster's mom and then a dragon shows up. Wait, so what do they mean though? Dinosaurs and why do they think that we coexisted with dinosaurs? Because the dragons. So there's a dragon in Beowulf. Okay. And they're saying, look, there's dragons in these old stories.

So because there's dragons in old stories, therefore dinosaurs. So he says, he says dinosaurs went extinct after they left the ark after the flood. We had an ice age. We had radically different. All that water had to freeze. I got, I got, I got chili. Some creatures. I had to put y'all on ice.

I want to have a barbecue. Some creatures weren't able to adapt, but most creatures in the world would have some legend about most cult. I'm pardon me, but most cultures in the world would have some legend about most cult, I'm pardoning, but most cultures in the world would have some legend about dragons. And these dragons are actually a good description of dinosaurs. The Chinese, for example,

their dragons are depicted on scrolls, pulling the chariots of emperors because they, emperors had dragons, which are dinosaurs. And there was a story called Beowulf in which the king slays a dragon. Not even true. The king doesn't slay the dragon. In Norway.

And this person says, so you take Beowulf to be evidence of dinosaurs existing? Yes. Snelling said it was an eyewitness account. Okay. Cave paintings prove that bulls are lopsided. It was an eyewitness account. First of all,

you got the story wrong. Hold on, though. Pinocchio's an eyewitness account of a mannequin coming to life. I've seen that movie. Gary. Mannequin. I'm looking right at you, Gary. I remember that movie. When you're here alone mixing late at night, sometimes Gary comes to life.

And his mouth stays open just like that. That's one to talk about a gag order. Oh, my God. What's up, Gary? I don't need all that room. So we want to thank all our patrons, of course, but we want to thank specifically our newest patrons, Marty, Mitch, Jamie, Wheezy's Poop Locks Smell Bad?

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support the show right from our website if you don't want to go to Patreon. We got a message from a couple of people pointing us to a senator for the great state of Mississippi by the name of Chris McDaniel, and he posted on Facebook this. So happy a group of unhappy liberal women marched in Washington, D.C. We shouldn't be surprised. Almost all liberal women are unhappy. Perhaps there's a correlation. Nevertheless, I'm fascinated to see them exercise their First Amendment rights, however objectionable the message. But I do have one question.

If they can afford all those piercings, tattoos, body paintings, signs, and plane tickets, then why do they want us to pay for their birth control? Oh my God. And so a bunch of people went into his Facebook and did some stuff, but I just want to read a highlight that I found. Please do. I volunteer at jacksonswomenhealth.org,

the Pink House, the last remaining abortion clinic in Mississippi. Personally, I'd like to thank you, Senator McDaniel. Since he started this despicable rant two days ago,

donations have been pouring in in his honor. Oh, that's awesome. So indirectly, you are helping pay for abortions, buddy. Thanks again, Chris. Laugh out loud. So, that's awesome. So indirectly, you are helping pay for abortions, buddy. Thanks again, Chris. Laugh out loud. So yeah, check out Pink House, jacksonswomenhealth.org if you want to donate. You can donate in Chris McDaniel's name because he's somebody who probably

should have been aborted. I love those forms of protest. I really do. I love them every time. And so that's why I found it and I read it and I smiled. And I was like, and what was so great is on this comment thread on his Facebook, he posts this douche nozzle message. You're just like, oh God, you have such a punchable face.

And then you, I wish you were a Nazi. And then you scroll down. You scroll down. Actually, he kind of is a Nazi. And then you scroll down and you look and this guy posts this.

And then a bunch of other people are posting, oh, where is it at? Oh, do you have a a link and he's sharing the link and so on his right there in real time he is facilitating abortions on his page they should snap a picture thanks senator chris thank you for facilitating abortions you fucking nozzle all right so we got a message from elvis elvis sends his regards This is from Trump's inauguration speech. We, the citizens of America, are now joined in a great national effort to rebuild our country and restore American carnage. The Bible tells us how good and pleasant it is when God's people live together in carnage. People live together in carnage. We will get our people off of welfare and back to work.

Rebuilding our country with American hands, American labor, and American carnage. We will bring back American carnage. This American carnage. American carnage. Carnage. C-c-c-c-c-c-carnage. That's great. I would totally have a show called This American Carnage. Carnage. Carnage. That's great. I would totally have a show called This American Carnage.

I think that's great. That's a great, great, great bit. Thanks, Elvis. So we got a message from Jared. Tom, this is for Camp Quest. Camp Quest. For our Midwestern listeners, a registration for Camp Quest Michigan is now open. We recommend registering early to ensure you get a spot. You can register at michigancampquest.org. We'll post a link on our website.

Not from the Michigan area. You can also find a local Camp Quest by going to campquest.org. So you can find this on this week's show notes, 340. If you're interested in Camp Quest, we wound up raising quite a few dollars for Camp Quest while we were on

David Smalley's podcast-a-thon. And I will say, I'm personally thinking of sending my son to Camp Quest in Michigan, as a matter of fact. We got him. This is great. This has been Bill,

and Bill sent in this. I'll put this on this week's show notes. This is from Grub Street. It's an article, and it says, a nation's pizza chain has introduced the alternative fax zero-calorie pie. Oh, it's show notes. This is from Grub Street. It's an article. And it says, a nation's pizza chain has introduced the Alternative Facts Zero Calorie Pie. Oh, that's so great. It's a

beautiful looking pizza that evidently is zero calories as long as you use Alternative Facts. That's so great. Or Alternative Fitness Pal. There's been a bunch of marching lately. There's going to be a march here in Chicago on tax day. I know that.

And there's a bunch of other marchers that are playing, but we got a message from Keith and Keith said that there was a, a Facebook group that blew up in a few hours about, uh, scientists marching. So we'll put a link to this story. It's from the Washington post, but it looks like scientists are going to be marching on the Capitol.

Recently. There was a gag orders against all the different major science organizations It's from the Washington Post, but it looks like scientists are going to be marching on the Capitol recently. I think that's great. There was gag orders against all the different major science organizations in the country by the president. A bunch of rogue Twitter, Twitters popped up. Yeah. Boom. They were like, hey, you can't talk. And it's like, well, this isn't official. But it turns out I'm a fucking human being and I can do what I want.

I do what I want. We've got a video. Should I play this song? It's really funny. It's pretty great. I think you what I want. We've got a video. Should I play this song? It's really funny. It's pretty great. I think you should. I'm going to play it. So this is Death Metal Rooster.

This is just amazing. You know, this is one of those things that I put my head down and laughed until I cried over this. So this is Death Metal Rooster. I'm going to play it. You can watch the video. The video really doesn't have much different than the actual song here that I'm playing for you.

Okay, I don't know how well you can hear this, but my washer is making a beat. It's not just a rhythm. It's a beat. Oh, it's terrific. Oh, God. That rooster is fucking metal. That rooster has got some pipes. Man, go get it. That's fucking awesome.

That rooster is metal as fuck. That rooster is fucking metal. So that's going to be on this week's fucking awesome. That rooster is metal as fuck. Rooster is fucking metal. So that's going to be on this week's show notes. So we want to thank Andre from Method Social Kinetics for joining us. It was a really interesting conversation. The stuff he's going to do to

hopefully get more atheists in office is really inspiring. So hopefully he gets his feet under him and he starts working with that. I think that's really a great bit of business to take care of. I do too and I think it's important. I think it's important work that needs to be done. We're clearly underrepresented and that needs to change. We'll put

a link to all the stuff on this episode's show notes. That's going to wrap it up for this week. We might have an extra show next week. We're not sure. We might have a Thursday show for you. A lot of people really like the live stream we did. So if you're interested, we'll put a link on this week's show notes. You can check it out on live stream and you can also check

it out on YouTube. Now, on live stream, one thing I did was so if you want to play a YouTube video, you have to keep the video on. But for live stream, you can close the screen and it'll just play the audio. Oh, that's great. And the audio is not super visual specific. Like we're talking a little bit and there is some stuff we're showing on the screen and it'll just play the audio. Oh, that's great. And the audio is not super visual specific.

Like we're talking a little bit and there is some stuff we're showing on the screen, but it was really just right after Trump got, uh, did his inauguration and we, we talked about it and it was, uh, it was actually a lot of fun.

We had Thomas Smith from, uh, from atheistically serious inquiries podcast only. Um, seriously speaking, seriously speaking podcast, um, serious inquiries only, but it was great. It was really good, really fun. And he was, he was, it was great to have on. He was so angry and it was awesome. And I loved every minute of it. But if you want to check it out, we'll put it on this week's show notes, but, but give it a listen.

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