Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 381: Queer Disbelief

Episode Date: October 9, 2017

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of cognitive dissonance and we are joined today by camille badminton, the author. That's pretty close. That's not bad. I got that right. No, I can't. Camille Parcheesi. It's Baron Von Campingtime. What is it again? Barondi. Baron Von Campingtime was closer.

We are joined in all seriousness by Camille Barajicic pauses to read barajic who is the author of queer disbelief thank you so much for being on the show thank you so much for having me so before we uh get on to the shameless plug and self-promotion of your new book queer disbelief let's talk about a story kind Kind of a story that's been all over the place. This comes from Gay Star News, but you can find it virtually anywhere in addition to

Gay Star News. I just like grabbing the source from here sometimes. These 13 countries voted against the UN ban of the death penalty for being gay. So, God damn. The United Nations Human Rights Council, they voted just kind of like overwhelmingly minus 13 countries to ban certain things from being

punished, being gay and getting the death penalty for it among them. But there's actually a list on this, on this here that what they were saying basically is like, Hey, we shouldn't have the death penalty on the following things. No death penalty for people with intellectual disability, intellectual disabilities. Well,

Bush already executed. We did. He did. Yeah. He didn't care about that. He didn't care below the 18 years of age at the time of the crime. But we are always trying juveniles He did. Yeah. He didn't care about that. He didn't care. Below the 18 years of age at the time of the crime. But we are always trying juveniles. Yeah.

As adults. Yeah. Pregnant women. Hey, don't stay pregnant forever. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because America and truck nuts and flags for apostasy. Well, we got that one.

Yeah. Blasphemy. Okay. Adultery. We're not doing that. Because Newt Gingrich would get it. All of Congress. All of Congress. yeah blasphemy okay adultery we're not doing that now because newt gingrich would get it all of congress all of congress um or consensual same-sex relations i just want to say like we voted no on that yeah with the with the word no that's flabbergasting and like look like, who else voted against this resolution?

Who is the company that we keep? I just want to read this out too. Such illustrious and progressive nations such as Bangladesh and Botswana and Burundi, no relation to Camille, China, Egypt,

Ethiopia, India, Iraq, Japan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, and then us, the United States. Where is Western Europe in there?

Anywhere? Here, Western Europe. Come on, boy. No, no Western Europe anywhere there. We didn't have South and Central. No, no. Just terrible places other than Japan that you don't want to go visit ever. So, Camille, you read this article. What did you think of this?

What did you think of this lack of a ban by us, even though it went through, thankfully? Thankful that it went through, for sure. But I'm pissed off. I think that we did not give a good enough reason to not pass it. But here, I guess we'll cling to the death penalty with our entire selves, even if it means saying, sure, you guys can keep killing gays wherever you are. That's fine as long as we have

the right to give death penalty in the states that do it here. So the reasoning, just the reasoning is that the United States has a death penalty and has a consistent record of voting no on resolutions that are against it. So we have this like crazy hard on for the death penalty. We love the death penalty here.

Why do you think that is? What is it about America culturally, you think, that is so in love with the death penalty when so much of the rest of the world has abandoned it for the barbarism that I think that it is? I don't know. I mean, like, I think that we're a, we're definitely a violent bunch and we think that we know what's best for everybody depending on what, you know, however minute their crime was just kill them. That's the answer to everything here. Um, I, I do not understand it and it's not a thing that I am particularly proud of to live here, but it seems to be that the way that we do things. And it's crazy, this bill even, or this, um, the UN resolution, it didn't even say that, um, that countries had to eliminate their death penalties. It said that for countries that do keep the death penalty, these are the parameters

you should follow. So. Yeah. It's because of those two things though. The first two things that you mentioned, Tom, it's because of the people with intellectual disabilities. We have killed those people before through our government and the below age of 18 at the time of the crime. Those are things we still want to do. There's still places in our country where we're just like, no, that's totally fine. We should kill those people.

It's amazing to me that we're like, no, I just, I don't want to say no to the other things because then I won't be able to kill for these reasons. Like, I just really like killing for the other reasons. Like maybe be flexible on the killing issue. You know, like if there's one issue to bend on occasionally, maybe it's the, who should we kill issue? Cause the answer could always be like, no one like that's an entirely, that's a viable option for who should we kill? It's our, it's our justice. It's our vengeance system, not our

justice system. It's the reason why we do this is because we don't, we don't rehabilitate people. We don't care about that sort of thing. We want to feel good about how they hurt. That's all there is to it. So people may be tuning in to hear our take on MythCon. We're going to talk about that after the interview later on in the show. We're going to be joined by Camille again later. And we're also going to be talking a little bit about MythCon. We're going to try to limit our conversation because so much has been said about it. We're going to try to limit our conversation to things that are pertinent to us. But we'll be talking about that at the end of the show right after Camille's interview.

You know, they talk about life and other planets. In my opinion, there's nothing but gaseous balls. Well, see, so this story comes from the Daily Beast and it's really in keeping with the religious lunatic's decision or willingness to wildly speculate about the causes of events which have yet been determined. Yeah, exactly.

Nobody does this quite like the religious nuts, right? Like something terrible happens. The far right does this all the time. Man, they love just, it's like, whoa, should we wait to find out? Well, we could do that or we just wildly speculate well and I think the problem is because they don't trust authority

so whenever any authority says well we really don't know they're just like oh they're hiding something right they're hiding right and so they immediately feel like there's something that's behind the curtain and no one can see and and then they're going to go to their fucking wall with all the pins

in it and they're going to fucking take the yarn and they're going to make a fucking thing and they're going to be like, get the fuck out of here. Makes sense though. Because if you're just going to make up why it happened anyway, why wait

to find out why it happened? No, I mean, yeah. If you're just going to start early, that'll ruin it, actually. That ruins the whole game. You know, what I appreciate is they don't procrastinate. No.

If it were me, on the other hand, the information would be out. It'd be like two weeks old. They'd be like, I know why. I have an idea. No, man. Oh, man. We already know.

We're already on to our next mass shooting. He was with ISIS. That mass shooting was so last week. This is Pat Robertson. Violence in the streets, ladies and gentlemen. Why is it happening? You know, what I'd like to give you.

Well, I think it depends on which street. Yeah. And which violence. I like that he's like violence in the streets. I didn't care when it was violence in the streets when it was the black people doing it. I don't really care about that. But there was a bunch of good white folks that got killed out there. Good-ish.

It's a country. It is true. The fact that we have disrespect for authority, there is profound disrespect of our president all across this nation. They say terrible things about him. As opposed to Obama, who everybody loved and... Wait a minute. Or they drew pictures of as a monkey and lynched

an effigy. So, I guess it's worse now. Not worse now. It's a lot worse now that they're basically... Everybody on the right is filleting him every chance they can get. And everybody on the right is standing behind this guy. The thing is, everybody on the right is filleting him every chance they can get. And everybody on the right is standing

behind this guy. The thing is, everybody on the left stood behind Obama. This is what we do. You stand behind your guy. This is the bipartisan culture. He catches shit from the other side every time, and that's just how this works. The problem is

that when he gets caught in lies or he does shit that everybody's just like, why the fuck is he doing that? Or when he's fucking incompetent, he gets called out for it. Yeah, right. It just so happened that the previous president wasn't incompetent. He hired people that could do jobs that did it well. And so he didn't catch this kind of hell. What he caught was all the fucking made up bullshit like you're not a fucking citizen. Yeah, the BL's a lip thing.

Yeah, or that you fucking got flies flying around your head because you're partially fucking full of Satan. Or that you're, you know, your preacher is too black or you're also a Muslim. Right. You know, it's like, you know, he got picked on for, he wore a tan suit once.

Oh, that was a fucking problem for that guy. Yeah. Yeah. But this guy is a jackass all the time, constantly can't... Did you hear his big, big ocean thing the other day? When he's like, you realize that

Puerto Rico is a big area, it's a big island, and there's a big, big ocean between us and Puerto Rico. It's a big, big ocean. No, he did not. I swear to you, he said it. Big, big ocean. It was like big, big ocean between us and Puerto Rico. It's a big, big ocean. No, he did not. I swear to you, he said it. Big, big ocean. Something that was like big, big ocean or something like that.

I did hear him in Puerto Rico be like, if it had been a real catastrophe like Katrina, he is lucky he escaped with his life. Yeah. Can you imagine being in a place where people are desperate and hungry and it's, it's as bad as it gets.

And like, he's like, well, you know, you're suffering. Is it like, it's, it's not a rape,

rape, you know what I mean? It's bad, but it's not really bad. Like other people suffered way worse. Yeah. I mean, it's not like inquisition level bad,

so it doesn't count much. This is really, he is like, is it like, it's really a miracle. This is really a miracle. He did say that really a miracle. This is really a miracle. He did say that. A miracle.

He did say it was a miracle. And to say like, it's not a real catastrophe. I'd be like, what? Say that to my house. If you can find my house. It's in other places.

There's disrespect now for our national anthem. Who cares? It's a song places there's disrespect now for our national anthem who cares it's a song it's a song it's a just a song you can't respect a song i have a lot of respect for that song what the fuck who gives a shit it's a song not even a good song yeah it's a song most people can't even sing the last two bars of properly. Disrespect for our veterans. Disrespect. Disrespect for our veterans? America cannot stop

sucking soldier dick. Oh my god. It's like a fucking soldier glory hole in here. It's ridiculous. Every day you've got to get ejaculated on by a soldier. It's like a back of the throat Jackson Pollock in America. Get the fuck out of here.

Are you fucking kidding me? Like ever since the 70s, there has been a total spin around of how you treat soldiers. There was just this complete switch around where back then they treated them like garbage when they came back. And now they come back and it's just like,

we can't get on now. No, don't get me wrong. Soldiers are mistreated by the government all the time. Oh, for sure. Constantly mistreated by the government. But that's their job. They don't get the proper psychiatric shit that they need when they come back. Their suicide rates are through the roof.

They have PTSD. We don't give a fuck about that at all. They have fucking terrible medical coverage. We don't give a shit about that either. But that's because they're meat war machines. Yeah, exactly. That's why. Because they're meat machines that go shoot stuff we want shot at. We won't do any of that stuff, but

we'll give them a seat in the front of the plane. Right. And we'll all stand up and give them a little applause because there's a guy in full dress getting on my plane. And you got to stand and give them a little bit of applause because he's going to work. We do that shit constantly. Yeah.

America loves its soldiers. We love our soldiers. The idea that you're disrespecting veterans is ridiculous. We have loved our soldiers with a fucking ferocity since 9-11. Hell yeah. 9-11 turned the fever pitch of,

I mean, like America's sploosh wet for fucking soldiers. Have you ever heard thank you for your service? Have you ever heard people say that? I've heard people say that, yeah. I hear that all the time. Thank you for your service.

There's a movie coming out now called Thank You for Your Service. I saw a trailer for it yesterday. Do you know what it looks like? A movie called Thank You for Your Service. It looks like exactly that movie. Is it Air Bud minus the dog?

For the institutions of our government, disrespect for the court system. You guys didn't respect the court system. You haven't been respecting the court system with Roe versus Wade for decades. Right? For decades, they haven't been respecting Roe versus Wade.

It's only the fucking things that they want to respect they respect. Well, same with the Orofell decision, right? For decades, they haven't been respecting Roe versus Wade. It's only the fucking things that they want to respect they respect. Well, same with the Orofel decision, right? Yeah. Any decision they don't like is judicial activism.

Yeah. Right? Both sides do this. Yeah. All the sides do this. I didn't like it, judicial activism. I did like it.

That's the right call. Well, I don't know that I call it judicial activism. I just go, tough luck. It sucks. Yeah. It sucks that, you know't know. I call it judicial activism. I just go, tough luck. It sucks. It sucks that, you know, that companies are fucking people or whatever.

Citizens United, right? That sucks, but at the same time, it's like, they just so happen to have the right people in the court. That's how that works. That's how the core works. We signed up for this. It's uneven for a reason. You mean, wait a minute. They picked nine. Huh? That's weird. Divisible by two. You're, wait a minute, they picked nine.

That's weird. Divisible by two. You're right. Oh, my God. All the way up and down the line, disrespect. And when you lose that kind of respect,

you lose this authority. I also want to say, like, we are an adversarial system for a reason, right? That's how checks and balances work. They work by creating an adversarial system. That's not disrespect. Don't confuse criticism with disrespect, right? That's how checks and balances work. They work by creating an adversarial system. That's not disrespect. Don't confuse criticism with disrespect, right? If I say like,

that's a terrible decision, and here are my 93 reasons why that's a terrible decision, that's not disrespect. Saying like, I think Pat Robertson is a stupid person would be disrespectful. Yeah, that's disrespectful. Right? That would be disrespectful. Yeah, sure. But Pat Robertson, I think you're wrong about these issues because of X, Y, and Z is not disrespect.

Yeah. But they mix the two together intentionally, right? Because if they call it disrespect, it shuts down the conversation. Sure. And then they do the same thing. They always, you know,

don't pay attention to the log in their eye and point out the splinter, whatever that fucking saying is, whatever there's a splinter in your eye, but I'll disregard the log in my, I forget what it is. Beam or something in my eye or whatever.

Laser beams. But, but the idea is that, you know, they constantly do the exact same thing. They attack people. They, you know,

they're just projecting all this shit. They're not paying attention to when they do it. You know, when they, when they talk about how, you know, fucking Michelle Obama looks talk about how, you know, fucking Michelle Obama looks like a monkey. You know? They forget.

They conveniently forget that part. And all the terrible shit they said about Hillary. Yeah. Like, I mean, Hillary, good lord. Yeah. The terrible shit that was said about Hillary. Sure. And it's like, eh, what am I going to do? What about her emails, though? Yeah, right? Yeah. Right. Yeah.

But more than anything, until there is biblical authority, there has to be some controlling authority in our society. And there is none. None. It's just, it's just an out of control. Wacky. It's like fucking Somalia.

Yeah. That's how, is that how it felt when you rode your bicycle safely through the city streets today to get to the studio? I didn't get stopped by pirates, but I did witness one fist fight. Okay, fair enough. All right. Today might not have been the best example. I genuinely

did witness one fist fight on my way here today. Genuinely. I was driving by the Greyhound station. Problem number one. And there was two men standing outside. I think they were cabbies and they were fighting and I had my little helmet on and I did my ringer bell twice and I kept going.

And they were out there fist-a-cuffing it. Okay, that sounds bad. It is. But it was a 15-minute ride. It was. One fight every 15 minutes isn't so bad. No, that's fine. That's what they do in the UFC. And when there is no vision of God, the people say there's no vision of God. The people run amok.

But the 70% of Christians in this country, they're running amok. Well, there's no vision of God. Get the fuck out of here. We gotta fucking stop every fucking week. There's somebody wants to put a goddamn Ten Commandments up somewhere. There's somebody wants to put a goddamn 10 commandments up somewhere. Right.

There's some judge out there who's, who's telling us that he's using the Bible as a way to fucking pass his judgment. There's some politician telling us he prayed about it. There's every week. There's a tragedy. People are sending out thoughts and prayers. Get the fuck out of here with that shit.

The idea that we're not Christian, there's fucking so many Christians were dripping with Christianity, man. There's no vision of God. We're dripping with Christianity, man. There's no vision of God. Well, Pat Robertson, how the fuck did you get rich? Then you're not doing your job either, right? Yeah, bad preacher. You're terrible at your fucking job because you're fucking beaming yourself to

tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands or millions of fucking homes every day. Well, if there's no vision of God, that's on you, dude. That's not on me. Right? When there's no vision of God, that's on you, dude. That's not on me. Right? When there's no vision of God, the people run amok. And we have taken from the American people

the vision of God, the whole idea of reward and punishment, an ultimate judge of all our actions. We've taken that away. Who? Who's taking it? Who's the we? And also this running amok shit.

Yeah, fucking we've been running amok a lot less in the last 30 years. You know, as time goes on, everything gets safer. There's a lot less amok. Yeah. There's a lot less amok.

Just fucking, we've run out of amok. Allah. Akbar. Akbar. Allah. Akbar. Allahu.

Akbar. Just little Allah. Akbar, Allah, Akbar, Allahu Akbar, just little Allah. Thank you, Chicago. So these fucking yokels. Kansas, this is from the Raw Story. Kansas Crusaders plotted to bomb Somali families in anti-Muslim attacks. So this is pretty awful, actually.

So these yahoos call themselves the Crusaders. I got to stop you. That's really culturally insensitive. I just want to point that out. Very culturally intense. Calling them yahoos? No, Crusaders. Can't believe it.

Unbelievable. Anyway, go ahead. All right. So one of these guys wore a wire and they basically ratted their buddies out. So these guys. Good. Yeah. Good. I ratted their buddies out. So these guys, they good. Yeah, good. I know this is what you should do. Yeah.

If you if you meet with your friends and they're like, hey, y'all, you want to want to blow up some Muslims? You're just like, you bet. Record on iPhone. Absolutely. I would like to blow up the Muslims. Continue on with your plan. Please be detailed. Speak. Lean in closer to me and tell me. Continue on with your plan. Please be detailed. Speak. Lean in closer to me and tell me exactly what you were saying again

very slowly. I'm sorry. When you said that, I didn't hear you first identify yourself with your full name and social security number. So weird. If you could just stay here. I've prepared this statement. You can just read this. You can just sign this. It's like I moved the fuck

out with my life and find people that are fucking respectable. Jesus. This is pretty awful. These guys, they wanted to blow up a building just because a bunch of Somali dudes live there. And then they wanted to kill the landlord as a message to like, don't rent

to these kind of people. I want to read. This is a quote from The Wire. Oh, hell yes. Hold on, I got to do this differently. Oh, hell yes. You have everybody in that whole complex in the prayer room. I guarantee you that.

Wright is quoted in a transcript as saying, adding that he also wanted to kill the landlord of the apartment complex, which would send a message that, quote, any of you people rant to these motherfuckers, we're going to start knocking you all off. Yeah. End quote.

He said he wanted to do this because it was just the beginning. Yeah. You know, and he wanted to wake people up. It's just the beginning. It's just the beginning of your prison sentence. Right. That's the beginning of, you know, this, like, just the beginning it's just the beginning your prison sentence right that's the beginning of you know this like we're not doing ourselves any favors by by fostering this anti-muslim

fear-mongering bullshit right this you want to see what the result of that shit is yeah this is the result of that shit it's a bunch of fucking vigilante assholes we're gonna blow up a fucking apartment building sure i mean even and i and I do not, I do not support, I mean, obviously, but even if you did support this, do you think these three fucking yokels is going to be controlled demolition that only kills the guys they don't like? They kill the guys they don't like. Really? You're blowing up an apartment complex.

Yeah. Well, like kids and shit and like, everything, everything is wrong. Every single thing is wrong with that. But like, this is the result of that, like non-discriminatory fear-mongering bullshit, right? We've talked about this before. Islam is a terrible set of ideas, right? It's violent and misogynistic and especially not true, right? But just because somebody is Muslim does not mean that they are violent.

It does not mean that they subscribe violent. It does not mean that they subscribe to this brand of fundamentalist, mean-spirited, violent, vitriolic, hateful Islamic nonsense, right? We know that most people who are Muslim are not like this. You can be incredibly critical of Islam without being hateful to Muslims. It is not difficult to understand this concept. It's really not. It's really fucking easy. It's a super fucking simple concept. I want to read part of this too.

It says, according to Wright's attorney, the accused man claims he didn't think that the fellow militia members actually intended to carry out the attack, saying he was attempting to make friends. Except for Somali friends. I just want to find my local hate group. It's so hard to find a good hate group these days.

It's like somebody being accused of curb stopping like a black guy and be like, I was just on Tinder. You know, there is nothing normal about being a sodomite. There is no life that will come out of a rectum. You cannot produce life. It's only death.

Every time, there's nothing in a rectum except waste, refuse, and death. This comes from the Malaysia Mail Online. Egypt hunting down gays, conducting forced anal exams. My anus has never studied for a single exam it's going to fail every time do you have to shave for that exam? do you have to wax for that exam? it's the only time

the proctor is a proctologist yes that's the only reason that story made it into the notes very clever it says that six men had to have anal

examinations to determine whether or not they had homosexual sex does that examination include sticking something up it seems counterproductive. What is happening when you're having anal sex that

what if you haven't had sex in a couple of days or it wasn't rough at all? What if you just had a big poo? This seems like there's nothing behind this. What if you just blew each other? It's not like anal

sex is a requirement for homosexuality. And it's not like anal sex is off the table for heterosexuality. Just looking at each other's butts doesn't tell us much except for what your butt looks like inside. I just wonder though, is there a way to look at somebody's butt and be like

oh yeah, totes. Someone's been in there. Someone's been knocking on the back door. I can tell. I don't think so. I wouldn't imagine so. I don't think so. Unless you done just got fucked. It's like there's semen in your ass.

Or yeah. There is semen in your ass. Like yeah, they pull out a used condom from your ass. Yeah, then yeah. But if you like roll up a note, put it in there like Tom was here. It's like cast it up. Is anyone else been in here?

I claim this anus. Exactly. You got a little flag in there. What a cock of Tom. You got a flag in there. Yeah, but what is the, there's no way because it stretches. And if you use the right amount of lube, nothing's wrong. You'll never know.

Right. Been up in there. Who knows? You don't know. I don't know. It could also be like... It's not like they have like Olestra and they're shitting their pants the next day.

This is just a way to look at buttholes. It's okay. Look, I like butts. I cannot lie. Like a guy with a rubber glove on. It's like, we've got to do it. I'm sorry. We've got to. Hold on a second. I might have a chubby, but we've got to do it. We've got to do this. Rubber glove for you.

Rubber glove for me. That's not a glove. It's rubber. Shut up. Well, Tom, the swing is still in effect. I would go so far as to say that this show is in full swing. It's still in say that this show is in full swing

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You're already fucking. You may as well do it for half off. You might as well. You can fuck twice as often. Yeah. With juice, right? Come on. This shit is fucking nuts. This is fucking amazing. This is from right wing watch Sheila Zielinski. Who? I know.

I know. I saw this. I was like, who the fuck? But this story is amazing. Every NFL stadium is a FEMA camp in hiding. I don't even want to talk about it. I don't even know what that means, but let's keep going. Here we go. This is Sheila. Hey, hey.

The FEMA camp, you're going to wake it up. It's hiding. Quiet. I told you the NFL was out of the bells of hell and nothing more than a prop. The bells of hell? The bells of hell. Did she say? I got to rewind it again. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. The bells of hell and nothing more than a prop. I told you the NFL was out of the bells of hell. Did she say? I got to rewind it again. Bells of hell and nothing more than a whole NFL was out of the bells of hell and nothing more than a propaganda machine with mindless sheep who are brainwashed every night, every

night of the week. No illusions. No illusions. A mindless sheep brainwashed by the NFL. I haven't been brainwashed by the NFL this year. Our team sucks. Turned it off twice and then I haven't watched it since. I've been like, oh, that's enough of that.

I like it's a propaganda machine. I know. Don't you have to identify what it's propagandizing? What it's propagating, right? The alpha, gamma, theta waves. What does that mean? Wait, the what? Just wait a minute, Sam.

Does it have an orgone generator in it? Brainwashed every night, every night of the week with the Alpha Gamma. There isn't even football every night. Yeah, I know. There's like football. Wait a minute. There's football three days a week. There's football Monday, Thursday, and then there's football.

Is there every Thursday? Because it wasn't every Thursday before. It is every Thursday, I think. I think there is a Thursday night game every week now on NFL Network. Is that newish? It's within the last 10 years, five years. That's newish for me.

Five years. There's been Monday night football since I was a baby. Right. So that's been, I remember watching that with my dad before I could even talk. I remember Monday night football.

And then Sunday. And I remember every now and a great while, there'd be a Thursday game. Yeah. And it was like a thing.. Every now and a great while, there'd be a Thursday game. Yeah. And it was like a thing. Yeah. Now it's, now it's,

that's pretty much, I think it's every week there's a Thursday game. So, but it's only three nights a week. And then during playoffs, I guess they come on Saturday, but they don't have the Thursday

or the Monday night games during playoffs. So it's only two days a week. So it's still less than between three and two days a week. And it's only on for 18 weeks a year. So.

But yes, it's every day with the alpha, beta, gamma waves. Yeah, with the betas. You got to look out for the betas. The cucks. My theta waves, the delta waves, lulling people into trances,

slipping people into mass hypnosis. That's declassified, folks. That's declassified, folks. Look it up. So you watch football and then you are lulled into mass hypnosis because of alpha

beta gamma. I will say this. When I watch the Bears play, I take a nap. So I will say that. I like a nice big glass of fluoridated water. And then I go outside a big lung full of chemtrails. And I have some GMOs. And I go in my house and I watch some football like every American does.

Beta gamma of person. And then I vaccinate my kids right into autism. Oh, fuck. Are you fucking kidding me with this shit? And then I give birth to a kid in a tub. Then I ate the placenta. Then I ate the baby. This is

so stupid. I didn't know why we're doing this. It's so good. Keep playing it. Oh, you know, my wife, though, is awesome. Like, on a Sunday, if I turn the Bears game on, she'll come in and she'll be like, what are you watching? Watching the Bears. And she'll just pull a pillow and she'll just fall asleep. And she'll watch it for like 10 come in, she'll be like, what are you watching? Watching the Bears. And she'll just pull a pillow up and she'll just fall asleep.

And she'll watch it for like 10 seconds and she'll fall. So it does. It does lull people asleep. High-level mind control projects have been exposed. It's on record.

TV, that noise box is the most disgusting invention ever made. Yeah, you don't have too much argument for me. That's fair. That's the biggest TV fan.

That's pretty bad. All right. You know what I think? I think the NFL is pure evil. The NFL? Why is she singling out the NFL? Oh, no. Well, because there's guys,

black guys are kneeling now for the national anthem and she doesn't like black guys. The police have been putting black guys on their knees for fucking decades. It has nothing to do with them kne fucking decades it has nothing to do with them kneeling it has everything to do with them being black yeah it's anti-christian it's anti-family what it's anti-christian the motherfuckers pray in the end zone they fucking do the sign of the

tibidibis all the time the fuck these guys are constantly praying after games they all get together and they pray outside that happens happens all the time. All these guys are Christian, man. They thank God for winning the game. Yeah, constantly. They pray before the game. They pray at halftime. Get out of here with that shit. Come on. Anti-patriot, anti-constitution.

Oh my God, they have fucking jets that fly over the game before it starts. They have fucking patriotism shoved up their ass. Are you kidding me? They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. They have fucking Patriots. Are you kidding me? They have fucking flags. No shit, Tom. You probably never even seen this, but I mean,

in regular games, they will have a flag. No shit that's as big as the field. Not even fucking kidding. What? And they will all hold it and fucking wave the cocksucking thing. And the whole fucking stadium,

the whole field, Tom, is a flag. It's a fucking flag. And the whole fucking stadium, the whole field, Tom, is a flag. It's a fucking flag. Is Stamdorf patriotism? Are you fucking crazy? I feel like the New England Patriots might take some umbrage with that comment. Yeah, I guess so.

Because don't they win all the games? Yeah, they've won a couple years in a row. It's anti-patriots. The Patriots win. That's the whole narrative. Patriots came back That's the whole narrative. Patriots came back and beat up on Atlanta last year. A mostly black city. Just an institutional anti-gun.

Anti-American for sure. They're vile. How could the NFL be anti-gun because you can't bring a gun into like last Boy Scout everybody? They dial. Most of these guys get busted with gun charges.

So I don't think they're anti-gun either. Do they have a stance on guns? It's the NFL. Why would they have any stance? It'd be like, it's like every time you have to see it, they're like, the official motorcycle of the octagon.

I guess it's like the official AR-15 of the fourth down or whatever. Like it would be unnecessary roughness if you used it, right? It'd be awesome if you had a t-shirt gun to shoot out real guns into the crowd. Oh, fuck.

I'm so kidding. You just get shot and lay there. Oh, fuck. Mom, I got one. We already have that one. Throw it back. Throw it back.

Give it to the kid next to you. Liberal agenda. Their ads, their video games even contain their George Soros and ilk funded propaganda to promote the breakdown and the fracture of our already fragile country of upheaval. Like mad. Are you fucking crazy? Is he talking about Madden? Yeah. Fucking George Soros bankrolled Madden. You're talking about Madden?

Yeah, fucking George Soros bankrolled Madden. Look, I guess like if all you're doing is sitting around all day playing video games instead of like hanging out with your family, then okay, maybe. But I don't think that's exclusive to the fucking NFL football gaming franchise, right? That's the playbook. These new NFL policies are... Oh, that and run the ball into the end zone. That's also in the playbook. These new NFL policies are... Oh, that and run the ball into the end zone. That's also in the playbook. Slant, seven yard pass, no problem.

Straight out of the Pol Pot regime. Straight out of the Pol Pot regime? They sell nachos at the stadium. How's that fucking Pol Pot? Did he starve everybody? Is that what he did? He killed them? They like separated like the intellectuals.

The NFL's fine. You can give it all the intellectuals. The NFL is unaffected. I guess if you start, I guess if you started separating people into concussions

and no concussions, then that would be a problem. The NFL is unaffected. They're all on the concussion side. In some stadiums, women can't even enter into the same entrance as men and children. That is not even remotely true.

What the fuck up? What are you talking about? They don't have gender separated football stadiums. You just made that up. You watch too much Handmaid's Tale, you nuts. That's awesome. That'd be awesome. I'm walking in with my wife with our tickets.

Like, sorry, she's got to go around the building. Vaginas to the left. Vaginas to the left. Talk about your FEMA camp training. That's right. You know what? The NFL is an extension of the TSA, the DHS, the globalist agenda, and FEMA.

I love the FEMA conspiracy shit. Like, the DHS, the globalist agenda, and FEMA. I love the FEMA conspiracy shit. Like, the federal emergency management. And they're just like, that shit's evil. It's like, they're the guys who show up. It's like, you seem like you don't have any food. Here's the food. There's like, fuck you. Need a house?

Yeah. I see your house is not here anymore. You appear houseless. You know, we heard all that fucking like FEMA re-education camp shit, like really kind of hit in earnest after Katrina when they had the trailers and they're like, oh, you guys just want your free FEMA trailer. It's like, yeah, I would like a place to sleep that's not outside. That is better.

Underwater or destroyed by water outside. That is better. Or underwater. Or destroyed by water damage. Right. Yeah. There's nothing. There's no shame in being like, I have a family and they would like to not be dead. They're real insistent on that subject. Oh, look at me, entitled fucker over here.

But then they took that narrative and like, oh, they're giving these things away to like imprison the population. Well, they've done a terrible job of it. A terrible job of using FEMA to do evil times. Where are my FEMA camps? Where are they? Like literally, what is the address of a single FEMA camp? It's got to be in New Orleans somewhere.

God. And I've said it before and I'll say it again. That's right. Every NFL stadium. Do you know that it's a FEMA camp and hiding? Yeah. No, the people live under the, under the stadium. It's like the people under the stairs.

I love that. The idea that the stadium that holds 60,000 people is hiding anything. Yeah. That is the most in plain sight hiding ever, ever. That's like playing hide and go seek. Like standing right next to the guy. I'm right here. I'm right here.

He's on like the fifth five yard line. It runs right into a trailer. Just falls backwards. All the people go away like these big doors. Ting. Ting. Ting. Ting.

Ting. Ting. Ting. Ting. You're trapped in here with me now. That's right, folks. The American public is being conditioned to the fact that the state owns your bodies

and your freedoms in addition. And you don't think... In addition to what? Wait, you didn't make the first point. In addition. To add one to it.

I think the NFL's promoting various globalist agendas such as gun control. Well, they do have a globalist agenda to play in London four times a year. So that's their globalist agenda. Fuck. Gun control? Well, they do have a globalist agenda to play in London four times a year. So that's their globalist agenda. Fuck. Gun control?

Because you can't shoot somebody in the stadium? They fucking start out the thing with one of those shit-kicking hillbillies who sings that Monday night song. Isn't that a Hank Williams guy? It's like a fuck something like that. I don't know. One of those hillbillies sings that. Doesn't Shania Twain sing it too or something? Oh, I haven't watched it since I lived with my dad.

Yeah, so it's like a hillbilly singing the song. It's like Monday night. Goo, goo, goo. And they fucking sing that song all the time. That's it. Like those people fucking probably their house, their Christmas tree is covered with guns. It's like a witch, like gingerbread guns. It's just a whole house of guns.

Go to church and in the collection plate is guns. Think again. The NFL, I'm calling them the National Fertilizer League. What? Why? What's fertilizer? Why are we fertilizing? Big slam on fertilizer out of nowhere.

I like how she had to think of that on the fly. She's like, I'm calling the national fertilizer. It sounds like she's trying to get away with saying a bad word. Fucking awesome. Ammonium nitrate for everyone. What? I don't understand. I mean the doo-doo kind of fertilizer.

Oh, my God. Or maybe I should call it the network of finance leaders. NFL, not freaking likely. I've said it before and I'll say it again. All those things are unrelated. Just things you can... It's not freaking likely. Wait, what you're saying is not freaking likely.

So I guess we could go with that one. Finance leaders. Fucking finance leaders. I'm crying. I don't even know what that one. Finance leaders. Fucking finance leaders. I'm crying. I don't even know what that means. Most of these guys, they get a concussion,

they forget who they are, they spend all their money before they leave. They're like, they're wandering around like, no, no, fucking, hey, Bill, the door's over there.

I spent all my money. I want another McLaren. I want another job. I didn't graduate from college. I had a free ride. My life sucks. I basically killed myself out here for your amusement.

Are you not entertained? These people, their life is shit after they leave. All my joints are broken. Finance leaders. It's amazing. That's right. The globalist agenda. I'm not kidding.

The NFL has come to represent a whole new era of in your face tyranny. I talked. I don't know that there's a term. What tyranny is it in your face? So, I mean, like, like, is it the very fact is it in your face though? I mean like, is it the very fact that it's tyrannical? Isn't that isn't that sort of

doesn't that sort of explain the in your face nature? I love that idea. In your face tyranny. As opposed to that subtle nobody noticed it tyranny. Is there anything tyrannical happening? tyrannical insidious tyranny that's happening i'd much rather have some in your face tyranny now even cheesier tyranny

it's like after the tyranny gets finished, it does a touchdown dance. On your face. The secret police roll up and just fucking chest slump you. Do something. Do something. Are you going to stop? He's like high-fiving his buddy. They spike their baton on the ground.

Oh, fuck. What about this in 2011 at Giant? Your face. You can't even. I'm all in the evens. Stadium on March 24th, 2011. DHS and local law enforcement conducted a relocation drill in which guess what? Civilians were transported to the stadium.

That's right. The NFL is good FEMA camp training. What is that? What? Like, okay. So yeah, we use big infrastructure places that house people to sometimes house people during like storms and what have you. Like what, what's scary about that?

Like, I think that there's a big, scary storm. I want to be in a building meant to withstand. What the fuck? It's all those Jade Helm people. You know what I mean? To think like,

Oh, if the government does something, we got to keep our eye on it. All right. I got to go, go watch it. Cause that tyranny will sneak up and be right up in your face. First, it'll sneak up on you.

It's going to be like. Yeah, it's like you just like open your eyes and fuck tyranny. God, I didn't see you there. It's like a wolf on your chest. How the fuck did you get in my house, tyranny? I guess the NFL decided it was not enough for Americans to be abused and misused by the TSA at the airport. The TSA? The TSA?

Look, I get a fucking hand job every time I go through the fucking security thing. I don't know why, but I seriously get stopped every single time when I get fucking patted down. They never pat me down. Every single time. And I go through, it's so funny because if I go to conferences or anything like that, I'll bring

equipment for the show. Right. And I'll have a fucking, I'll have wires. I'll have batteries. I'll have C4. And when you look at my fucking bag, when it goes through the thing, because you can see the thing. You just look around and see the guy. And you're just like, that looks like a fucking bomb. And the guy's just like,

go on through. It happens every time. They never, one time they opened up my bag one time. And I've, I've gone on a plane with my, with my podcasting equipment dozens of times. And one time they opened my, what's in here. I was like, podcasting equipment. Can I open it up? Yeah.

Get in there. I get, I get my stuff. Doesn't get searched. I get the fucking biggity bobs. Like I get the biggity bobs. Do you wear anything that would signal them over? Like you keep a coat on or something? I rub gunpowder on my penis before I

leave because I want them to touch my penis. It's my love gun. It's become the newest version of the TSA. I just went to an airport last week flying into Branson, going through DFW. Flying into Branson. That's DFW. Flying into Branson. That's not an airport, first of all. Jesus Christ.

God. Isn't that where Yakov Smirnov is now? Branson. Branson. That's a Missouri, isn't it? Yeah. Now serving one stop a day. Weren't we in a Missouri at one point? Springfield or something? Springfield, Missouri.

Okay. You in Dallas. Ma'am, get in the line, please. Would you like the molestation or the radiation? What's your intrusive method of control and harassment? Well, they don't want you to have a bomb on the What the fuck? Are you that stupid? These are the same

people, though, that fucking shit our freedoms away for fucking the Patriot. You know what I mean? What is that stupid? These are the same people, though, that fucking shit our freedoms away for fucking the Patriot. You know what I mean? What is shit? Like, seriously, like, yeah, I'm willing to take the radiation. Yeah. And if they, like, I'm willing to take the fucking hand job, too. Like, I'll take the whole thing.

I just don't know what the tip is when it's over. It's not much of a tip. That's the problem. But still, like, I'm down with that. I'm down. They want to take my fucking shoes off. Fine. Is it a mild inconvenience?

Yeah. But I really don't want the plane to blow. They want to take my fucking shoes off. Fine. Is it a mild inconvenience? Yeah. But I really don't want the plane to blow up. Yeah. And try to avoid that have blown up. Yeah. Like, it's not like a, it's not like a something that hasn't happened before.

I'm okay. How is that? Okay. And it's not really that big of an inconvenience. It's really not. It's really not. I mean, like we,

I, you know, when it first started happening, people were like, Oh my gosh. But you know, you just get used to it. It's just the, it's now it's the price of traveling. It's just one of the costs you have to pay. There's a little bit of indecency.

So I've got to take my shoes off. What is the, like, literally what is the alternative? The alternative is just fucking, I guess a fucking revolving door. Like just cross our fingers and hold. Sure. I don't like that alternative. I'm going to be globalist. That's a good way. You just get blown up in the plane. You go wind up all over the ground. I am not,

I am not for sacrificing my, my freedoms for my safety. Like I'm not, I'm generally not. Yeah. But this is like, this is just common fucking sense that you have to screen people. I kind of am actually sacrifice.

I'm thinking about gun control. I'm cool with that. I guess there's sometimes, right? Yeah, there's sometimes. Although I think the whole gun as a freedom thing is weird. Yeah, it's a weird thing. It's a weird freedom. Breast exam and a proctology all in one. Call me for the

results, guys. No, you know what? This is not a joke. A bunch of sheeple lined up to the slaughter, and I'm getting to the point where I don't even want to fly it. But nobody's slaughtered. Yeah. Nobody's slaughtered. They're trying to prevent a slaughter.

I could imagine if every one out of ten people got their throat cut by the TSA. I'll take the train. I don't know. That's a thing I'm going to pay for. Yeah. Steamship. Whatever. That's weird.

I'm going to go with TSA pre-check. Anymore. I can't take it. Sheila, it's for your safety. FEMA and the NFL partnering for our safety. Ah, well, if it's for safety, a blind man could see that the NFL is good FEMA camp training. Let's not forget about Operation Mountain Guardian, shall we? What? Well, I promise, I promise, I promise I won't forget about it if you elucidate me first. Hold on a second. What was it called? Mountain Garden? Operation Mountain Garden.

Okay, so I'm going to read what this is. We just looked it up. Operation Mountain Garden is a simulated terror terrorism in Denver. It was in 2011. More than 100 agencies from several different jurisdictions are taking part in a terrorism attack drill on Friday. And this happened. This was this was in September of 2011, which was 10 years after the terror attacks, right? Which makes sense, right?

10 years after the terror attacks, you're like, maybe we should do a mock terror drill. And they did. They will simulate four coordinated terrorist attacks in the Denver metro area and modeled after the tragic Mumbai in India terrorist incident from 2008. And it will be in 10 different locations around the Denver metro area, including now what happened? That was so bad about that. If that, if the first entry is just describing it,

what could possibly have been the worst thing? Do they think, do we not want to have drills? Like my kids have fire drills. Don't they have open shooter drills now? Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. Open, open season drill. That's what it's called. You know, I actually, I, my, Like my kids have fire drills. Don't they have open shooter drills now? Don't they have like whatever?

Yeah. Open, open season drill. That's what it's called. You know, I actually, I, my,

in my building, I was required by my corporate office to have an active shooter training. Really? I pushed back really hard against it. I'm like, I think the whole thing is, I think it's more fear mongering than anything else. I'm like, well,

what would you do if there was an active shooter? I'm like, well, what everybody's going to do, leave the building. Everyone's going to run like hell. Yeah. Like no one's going to remember.'t remember that training we had as soon as a gun starts going off in my building everyone's gonna run like hell they showed a video at our

work and what the thing was is like run first can't run hide can't hide fight like those are the three things it's like the same thing but it like, but it's like, that's such fucking easy knowledge to know. It's just like, yeah. Okay. If I can't, if I can't run, I'm going to hide. And if I can't, if the guy finds me, I'm going to fight. And it's like, use improvised weapons. Like motherfucker, I ain't using my hands.

He's got a gun. Improvise. Well, I don't have a flamethrower at my desk. I guess what I'll do is I'll just take the fucking table leg off or whatever. It's so funny. Cause like, I'm in a giant, I'm in a 12,000 square foot cube farm. Yeah. With windows on every side.

Yeah. And then the management offices are in the center with windows. Yeah. So like if somebody comes in there and shoots, there's literally nowhere to run. It's just whoever got out of the exit. Exactly. Got out first. Yeah. run. It's just whoever got out of the exit first.

The same NFL that allowed FEMA to bring school children to the Denver Broncos sports authority field after they were legally removed. Yeah, that's right. Illegally removed from their elementary schools without parental permission, which by the way, to date

there was never any apology or even an explanation given. Did they kill all the kids? Like, I'm wondering what happened here. Did they just go away afterwards? Did they have to go through, like, several hours of, like, clockwork orange-style brainwashing while they were there?

Does FEMA now own them? Are they just like, oh, finders keepers. Sorry. They're hidden in the, you got to find them. They're in the stadium somewhere. We're making them play peewee football now. It's like an Easter egg hunt. You got to go in there so you can find them. Oh, you can have somewhere. We're making them play peewee football now. It's like an Easter egg hunt. You got to go in there so you can find them.

You can have one. I don't care. Might not be the one you came to get. Same thing took place at the New York Giants stadium as well. You know, it's funny. At my son's school, we can't even get my oldest son to pick him up unless he's registered with the school and shows ID. Yet FEMA can literally abduct children from their schools

without parental permission or notification? I don't think so. Why would anybody support such a globalist propaganda churning machine and accomplice to tyranny if I ever saw one? But why would they snatch children away? Well, I think it signifies that the NFL stadiums, they're going to be staging areas for martial law. And it's all a part of the conditioning process. Let's start with how many people are in America? 323.1 million. How many people do you think fit in an NFL stadium?

Let's say 40,000. It's probably big, but I don't know. I'm guessing. Do we have 8,075 NFL stadiums? I don't think there's 8,000 teams. There's like 6, but I don't know. I'm guessing. Do we have 8,075 NFL stadiums? I don't think there's 8,000 teams. No? There's like 6,000 teams. I mean, I'm not watching the sports,

but are there 8,075 stadiums to put all these fucking people? The fuck good would it do? How many stadiums do you think there are? How many teams are there? Well, there's 32 teams, I think. Well, we could fit 0.0039%. 0.0039 is not a lot.

It's not. No. Okay. So you're saying we have nothing to worry about. I'm not real worried about this. Oh, I'm going to put them all in a stadium. Oh,

really? We're going to put a diminutive number of people compared to the population as a whole. What would we do? What would it do? I'm going to train them all. Like how many years would it take? We're going to get them all in there.

And then what? What's the tipping point of people that have to be in the stadium? What happens in the stadium? So we're joined again by Camille Berejik, the author of Queer Disbelief, Why LGBTQ Equality is an Atheist Issue. Camille, thanks for joining us. Why don't you tell us a little bit about the book? Sure. So it's a nonfiction book informed by a lot of research and interviews and analysis, exploring the ways that religion has affected LGBTQ people, both the negative ways that it's caused harm as well as the ways that some people actually benefit from religion if they're LGBTQ. But then the greater part of it is how

atheists and secular communities can get involved and can support the LGBTQ rights movement and why there's so many parallels and overlaps and reasons for collaboration between those two groups. So I got it. The biggest question that comes up with me is, Sam, I'm just a straight guy. I don't have really a lot of ties to the LGBTQ movement. How do I be a better ally? How can I be the best ally I can be? That is such a phenomenal question. I'm so glad you asked. So the main way, um, and I, I just, I love when I love when, especially when straight men asked me that question, I think it's awesome. So the, the way that we see the greatest sea change and really like behavior and attitudinal changes happen is when we have these conversations at home, um, with our loved ones, our neighbors,

our college roommates, whatever it is, you know, you can, you can know a gay person or be vaguely okay with marriage equality or generally be all right with, with the way that, that the gay rights movement is going, but not be actively helping the people who are LGBTQ and who are in your life. So the way that I like to start to tell people to be a better ally is by paying attention to the things that they hear around them in that and saying, hey, what was that about? And that didn't make me feel great. Can we talk a little bit about it? Because once people know that there's someone in their life who cares about this, or even if they know someone who's LGBTQ themselves, that's when we really see people start to think critically

in a way that can lead to really positive social change. There's a lot of people that would say that kind of behavior, and I'm not one of them, but a lot of people say that kind of behavior would amount to tone policing. So how would you suggest going about that in a way that is genuinely effective in accomplishing the goal of really being both challenging, in accomplishing the goal of really being both challenging, but not so off-putting as to create a reaction, like a pushback reaction. I mean, I think there's a difference between tone policing versus content policing, right?

Like if you're an asshole to somebody on the street, I don't think that it's out of line for somebody to call you on that and say like, why did you do that thing to that person? You know, I think that something that turns people off from like the term social justice warrior, like Tumblr activism or whatever, which I can say because I'm on Tumblr 24 seven, people get so scared that they're going to be called a bigot or a racist or a homophobe or whatever the word is, you know, as if being called that is worse than the slurs that some of those people toss around on a daily basis. I think if you come at it from a point of genuinely wanting to

understand where that's coming from, like there, I'm sure all of us have at some point heard a term that we didn't know was necessarily a slur that we didn't know could be, you know, interpreted in a way that was uncool or that was hurtful. I think sometimes we just have to break down, like, why did you say that? You know, don't make the assumption that someone had said that because they hate gay people. Maybe they just don't realize that what they're saying is wrong, or maybe they do have some kind of, um, like some, some toxic attitudes going on that you can, that you can start to unpack with them. I think, you know, either way, like it's, it's generally, it's generally acceptable to, to start that conversation if you want to know where someone's coming from. So one of the things you said earlier was that your book explores the ways that religion has

helped, uh, people within the LGBT community, um, LGBTQ community. So, sorry. Um, that, that, that kind of grabbed my attention. So I'd like to hear more about that. Like what are some ways that religion has been helpful to that group? Definitely. So admittedly, it is a shorter chapter. But it's basically, so when I say the ways that religion has helped LGBTQ people, So when I say the ways that religion has helped LGBTQ people, I'm more looking at individuals who are LGBTQ and who find that faith is an important thing or a positive force in their life for some reason or another. So the primary stories of the people that I talk to, and I talk to atheists, to queer people, to queer people of faith, just across the spectrum, sort of a mix and match identity game. A lot of the people that I talked to were people who were raised in some sort of faith, realized that they were queer, had some sort of moment about it and didn't know whether they should continue or not, and then found a way to reframe their faith that gave them more strength

and in some ways even like solidified their queer identity and served as like a as a positive force um positive force for change you know we talk about religion and there's like so much of this book really outlines like the institutional issues that have come along with religion and the way that we hold some religious beliefs um that we prioritize them over like one over another in this country, especially, but I think we don't often talk about the ways that like you can be a person of faith and still have good morals and, and make a faith that works for you. That is, that is not necessarily like what the Bible says or what the Quran says, but that is shaped by, by, by the church that you choose to go to and the people that you surround yourself with. So I'm trying to, I'm trying to unpack the idea. Not necessarily unpack, but I don't like the idea

that religion is always the worst thing in the world. If you are LGBTQ or if you are, you know, if you are a progressive person in any way, I think that the institutions have been very toxic, but on an individual level, if people want to practice in a way that brings them, that brings them goodness into their life and that inspires them to do good, then, you know, who am I to, to step in and stop them?

We have, uh, on this show for five years now, I don't think we've run a single episode that hasn't talked about some gay issue because of how religion is attacking them in some way or how some politician isn't attacking them in some way. And what's sort of become the new sort of whipping boy of the far right has been trans people. They've been, they've been really kicked around lately, specifically because of bathroom bills and things like that. Um, do you feel like the, you know, do you feel like that,

uh, the, the gay community is sort of, uh, becoming a little more, uh, accepted? Um, and we're starting to, we're, we're, we're starting to, those people are starting to shift their focus on the trans community. Cause that's what it feels like to us as outsiders. Yes. Yes. And no, at the same time, I think that the fact that marriage equality was legalized and is, I mean, I don't want to ever say that anything is set in stone because nowadays

we really never know. It feels like nothing is sacred more in the most atheist way to use that word. But yeah, it's interesting because you have to grasp, I think, a bit harder to find a religious reason to oppose trans equality. And a lot of it has been people taking particular, um, like verses out of the Bible about what it means to be a man or a woman and trying to apply that to trans issues. Um, but it's, it's much more of a stretch. So we're going into some kind of new territory here. Um, but I will also say that like, yes, I think that right now, um, gay, lesbian and bisexual folks

are in a better position societally, or I guess I should say gay and lesbian because bi people never really are still, I think, underrepresented and under-talked about. The conservative, like, anti-LGBTQ religious side still has some kind of fire against your run-of-the-mill non-trans gays and lesbians i think because of things like parenting and conversion therapy and um what's the new thing that everyone is all up in arms about oh like wedding cakes and bakers having the right to you know to deny um providing services to couples who are getting married things like that so it's definitely like trans people are more of like the hot topic of who conservatives are after now.

But I don't think that means that things are totally over for everybody else. So what prompted you to write this particular book? So I'd been writing for, for Hemant Mehta's site, friendlyatheist.com for a little over five years now. And I always covered the LGBT beat for him. And for a long time,

we had talked about how, you know, it seemed like there was such a natural allyship between these groups and so many opportunities for collaboration. But neither of us saw that many examples of atheists actively working toward LGBTQ equality or the other way around, which is interesting because LGBTQ people are among the least religious of any, like any group in the U.S. Close to half of LGBTQ Americans identify as non-religious, which is close to twice the number for the general population. And still, there were not as many, as many like examples of active allyship happening between the two of them. So we decided that it um, that it was worth putting in the effort to, um, to explore that relationship a little bit more and, and see the history of it and talk to

some of the people who belong to one group or the other, or both in a lot of cases. Um, and really, really lay out all the reasons why it makes so much sense, uh, for there to be more work happening between the two. I'm actually really surprised to hear that because, you know, when I, when I think of the, the other shows that are similar to my show and, or Cecil show and sort of our friends within community, it's an extremely focused and engaged group on LGBTQ issues.

It really surprises me. Oh, and I'm not saying that it was, that it's not there. I mean, and I, again, I talked to plenty of people who were doing work at both movements. I think that just, you know, and I got this from a lot of the interviews as well. There's still this this, I guess, forever debate in the atheist community of what is atheism really mean? Does it does it start and end with not believing in God? Or is there some kind of call to social action that should come along with it? Is there a community that's a broader issue?

That's a much bigger issue. So I think this sort of attaches to that and that this could be something that really connects to that sense of like justice and community and and not being not having your life dictated by someone else's religion. But also it makes sense that fighting for LGBTQ rights is fighting for atheist rights. Because when religion is used to get somebody fired from a job or turn someone away from a business or to put a kid through electric shock therapy to make him gay or to make him straight because his religious parents don't want him to be gay, those are all things that atheists can also connect to because it's the imposition of

religion and these really broad ways that atheists generally would disagree with. It's interesting because I don't know that I've ever had a conversation with an atheist that has been, you know, anti-gay. And most of the conversations that do come away with why gay is wrong is biblical. I can't think of a single reason why people look at two consenting adults and say, this is part of my business. I can't, you know, as an atheist, but I can see it only in religion. It seems like religion is really the only thing that ever really pushes against that. It really is. And the vast majority of atheists agree with you there.

See, I think the difficulty that comes up for me is when atheists say, I agree with you. There's no reason why two consenting adults shouldn't be together. Therefore, I have said my piece and I'm an ally and I've done my part for the movement. I think what I'm trying to say is that the fact that there are so many people who are atheists and who share that belief, but maybe it just sort of stops there aside from, you know, there's always a handful who are more vocal and active, obviously. But this is this is really a call for atheists to say, like, this is something that I personally care about and want to invest my time in rather than just like, yes, they're adults. Check, do your thing. And now I'm going to go back to living my life. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense.

So the book is still, I see the Kickstarter still up. Is the book scheduled to be released? Yeah. So we're hoping to have it out at the end of November, early December. So we're kickstarting it. We're about halfway through the Kickstarter at this moment. Um, and the Kickstarter is to, uh, to be able to fund production and to, um, to publish it and get it all formatted and really put the finishing touches on it. Well, what we'll do is we'll put a link to the Kickstarter in, uh, in this week's show notes, uh, along with, uh, links to, uh, to you on Twitter and to, uh, and to your blog so that people can find you. Thanks so much for joining us. This has really been a great along with links to you on Twitter and to your blog

so that people can find you. Thanks so much for joining us. This has really been a great conversation. Thank you, Camille. Thank you so much for having me. It was great. Everybody has a way of interpreting them to be the truth or not true.

There's no such thing, unfortunately, more of fact. So, Tom, let's talk a little bit about Mythicist Milwaukee before we do anything else. Let's do it. Okay. So, this last week, there was a conference in Wisconsin at Milwaukee. There was a bunch of hullabaloo that happened around it.

Carl, from his famous Sargon of Akkad videos, challenged Thomas Smith, the person without feet, to a duel or something. Actually, it was really contentious. Not even a debate, just sort of like an argument. The argument did not go well for Thomas. And afterwards, he was at a bar

and you just happened to be up in Wisconsin. And you stopped by the conference and you had a talk with Carl. Yeah, so Haley and I went up there. We actually didn't intend to go. We just happened to be in Wisconsin about an hour away for another event. And then about nine 30, we're like, Oh, let's swing over there. And so we swung over there, grabbed a drink, hung out with Thomas for a little while, went outside. And, you know, we were standing out there and Carl was out there with his folks.

And I decided I wanted to challenge Carl. And I want to talk about the reasons why, because the reasons why I think are why this is important to me. This sort of nonsense, this sort of idea, I actually don't even want to talk about his tweet. And I don't want to talk about the substance or lack thereof of his YouTube channel. What I want to talk about is the broader concept that provoking people, trolling, being a shitlord, all that garbage, all that nonsense, this idea that we have a different and lesser set of social standards and social rules and social norms because we happen to be online. I reject wholesale any value in that idea.

And that's what I try to challenge. I didn't challenge Carl on the tweet or any of that. I kept asking, what is the value of provoking people just to provoke? Sure. And his first response, his knee-jerk first response was, because it upsets you. And I said, well, that's the effect of provoking people. That's a tautology. That's not a value.

That's simply the definition of provoking, right? And it got heated. And I eventually got, and everyone knows, you know, at this point, you know, I got, they asked me to leave. They actually asked the police to ask me to leave. So I left. Although it was nothing more than just an exchange, a heated exchange. There was no violence. And I've watched this video. It's not really all that heated. It's you just asking questions. A lot of people are screaming around you. So you have to be loud in order to

do it. And you're normally a loud guy anyway. So when I saw this video, I never once thought that there was any kind of danger or you were being rude. I thought you were just really just asking them questions. I mean, I guess these people just aren't used to talking to humans. danger or you were being rude or i i thought you were just really just asking asking them questions i mean i guess these people just aren't used to talking to humans right i didn't curse yeah you didn't curse i watched it i was just like yeah so so um but you know i the concept that that really upsets me the the part that i really get fired up about um and and the thing that worries me is that if we don't confront this bullying bullshit, and that's what this is, right? It's just bullying.

All this stuff is is bullying. And this is the worst kind of bullying, right? When I was a bully and when I was being bullied as a young person, I've been on both sides of that. You had to do it in person, right? And there were social consequences to it. If you're going to be a shitty person to other people, eventually you become a social outcast, right? Eventually people start to grow up and people start to look down their nose at you and they see you as the shithead that you are becoming, right? And then social pressures begin to apply and you have to sort of say like, well, this isn't, you gotta make a decision. Like, is this who I want to be or is this not who I want to be? And then you have to make choices in your life that generally navigate people away from living a life of bullying.

Right. But one thing that concerns me is that because we have this bizarre, shitty set of social norms that seems that exists only online where people feel like bullying and provoking other people and trolling, whatever that nonsense is, and being a shit lord and all that garbage. When they look at that as not only acceptable, but in some cases virtuous, we no longer have those kinds of social pressures, which will push people out of this behavior and into a more mature stage of being and into a more just and socially cognizant and socially aware state of being. And as more and more people spend more and more of their time, particularly young people, engaging with everyone online as much, if not more than they do in person,

we are going to build a world that fosters rather than minimizes this kind of behavior. Right now, peer-to-peer interactions, genuine eye-to-eye interactions, they minimize this kind of stuff. Because I'll tell you, Carl talks a whole lot on his YouTube channel, and he talks a whole lot on Twitter. Not anymore. I think he stands on Twitter, actually.

Is he? Yeah, I think he's been. But he has. Yeah. When he stood next to me eye-to- I, he didn't talk that kind of shit, right? All of a sudden, all those social norms kick in and we're two guys standing there and there's consequences for the way we speak. And all these other things kick in. They normalize, they humanize how we're going to behave in a lot of ways. If we abandon that for a lesser set of standards for communicating with each other, that shit is going to teach people that this sort of behavior, this sort of mean-spirited bullying bullshit, and that's all that it is.

It has a lot of language surrounding it around free speech and authoritarianism. That's nonsense. This is just people who like to be mean because they think it's funny. And you know, here's the other thing. The other thing is, is like, look, I do this show and I like to think that people who listen to the show can have differing ideas with me. I don't, I don't think I want to scare away people who have different, differing ideas. I don't want those people to go away. I want them to, I want them to, to, to listen to the show and think about it and be like, oh, you know, maybe I didn't think about it that way. Or I totally disagree with you. Here's my email. We get emails all the time from people,

constantly get emails all the time from people with differing views. People have differing ideas than us. And I'm okay with that. I kind of want this show to sort of be a bigger tent than that. We clearly have political ideologies that we are, we are both very much that are very big parts of our life. So that sort of steers the way the show goes. But I think that people who, you know, might be more moderate or whatever, might be able to listen to the show and, and understand the points of view that we have.

I feel like this show also is a place where I get to see if there's some way I can make the world a better place. And I can see if there's some way I can get to know true stuff. Those are two good pursuits, right? Learn making the world a better place and knowing true things. Those people, the people that were involved in this whole thing up there, that didn't matter to them.

Neither one of those things matter to them. You know, there is this idea that floats around that if somebody says, well, I'm just an asshole. Yeah. That it somehow ameliorates their assholery. And I just want to say, it absolutely does not. Saying

that you're an asshole is a proclamation to the world that you are an asshole, but it in no way obligates the world to do anything other than treat you like an asshole. If you tell me you're an asshole, I'm going to take it your word for it. And I'm going to treat you like one. Because that's. Because that's how you behave. Yeah. And that's who you are. And that's your identification. Yeah. And, and, you know, the, the, the one thing I want

to talk about too, is, you know, there's this idea about free speech that comes up constantly over and over and over again. We got a bunch of people this week shooting shit at us. Like, you know, here's the black lives matter people that were shutting down conversation at the ACLU. These are the people that you guys support. Yada, yada, you know, whatever. I don't know. And people send us messages and do this shit all the time. And especially these type of people, the people that showed up at this conference, the people,

these shit Lords, we respect free speech. I respect it. You know, people shouldn't be shutting down these talks. They should be, you know, people should be just, there should be an argument on ideas and it should flow and we should decide that way. Listen to those clips, listen to those clips and listen to that fucking debate when it comes out, when this is Milwaukee wants to charge you money for it. Listen to it. Listen to those clips too. Cause I heard those clips ahead of time. Every one of those fuckers in the audience is jeering them. They're shouting. You can hear them yelling in the crowd. You fuckers don't

give a fuck about free speech. You don't fucking care about free speech. You're fucking jerking off to free speech all the time. You were doing exactly what fucking Black Lives Matter was doing when they were shutting down a speaker. You're doing the exact goddamn thing. You're doing the exact thing. When Thomas would start to say something, you'd shout him down. And yet you fucking, you don't ever recognize it when you're doing it. You don't ever recognize the fact that you're shutting someone else down. You don't want to hear these things. Well, look, here's the thing. I'm totally cool with that. I'm okay with it because I'm okay when Black Lives Matter shout somebody down. I'm fine with it. You guys all

paid to be in the space. If you guys don't want to hear ideas, that's up to you. That's up to you to make that decision. But don't fucking look down your nose every other time it happens and not realize that you're doing it too. And that's the thing is it's, it's the hypocrisy that makes me nuts. Right. And it's constant. It's constant with these people. You know, these, there's this, there's this group of people up there that scream at Thomas Smith and jeer at him and yell at him on stage. And then they do the, you know, the free speech thing. And then, you know, you got mad, you, you mad, bro, you mad, bro. But then you watch them and they're fuming sometimes. They're absolutely fuming. So this idea that, you know, like you pay attention only when it's the other person is ridiculous. You're doing all

the same things. Just recognize you're doing it too. And I, well, I got to touch on the other point. Like the idea that, that it is that that it is a it is it is some kind of virtue to be emotionless. Yeah, it is not a virtue to be emotional. These people aren't emotionless. Nobody's emotional. And they're not. The thing is, like, you can't care about free speech and be emotional. Yeah. Right. Because you care about something. Exactly. Anytime you care about something, you're bringing emotion. Emotion is part of the human experience. time you care about something, you're bringing emotion. Emotion is part of the human experience. Why are we pretending that we are some robotic version of the human animal? We are not. I understand the necessity to want to not use your emotions as the only rudder to steer you

in this world. That, of course, makes sense. Yes, we want to be rational people, but we also want to recognize that emotions are something that's part of us. You know, this idea that emotion is always negative, like that's garbage. It's a garbage idea. Like we don't do the same thing for positive emotions, right? Yeah. We don't do that. Like if somebody says, I love you, does it mean nothing to you? Do those words not elicit emotion? Of course. Yeah. It's ridiculous. It's a stupid, the idea that it only matters if you're mad or that there's something that you said because you said it while you were mad is less impactful or less true. If I say the earth is, if I say the sun is 93 million miles away and I say it angrily, it doesn't change how far the earth is or the sun is. It doesn't stop it. So I was contacted

by someone too recently. And this is something, this is some house cleaning that we have to do regardless of whether, you know, this big tent of atheism has some, has some real house cleaning we have to do. Because there's a secret group out there of people who have been sexually assaulted

by leaders of our community. There's a secret group of people out there right now. I found out about it just very recently. Someone contacted me and let me know that a secret group of people exists that have been sexually assaulted by atheist community leaders. How disgusting is that, right? We come from a group of people that, you know, we're not perfect, right? We're not perfect. But at the same time, we should be policing our own to stop this sort of thing. So there's a lot of house cleaning that has to happen all over in the atheist community. This is something that was just shocking to me when I found out. Absolutely shocking that such a thing would exist. I'm kind of stunned myself. I don't know what to say. So I want to thank our most recent patrons,

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AmeriCorps or possibly the National Guard would be the thing that you were talking about last time, Tom? And maybe I didn't make myself clear. The National Guard is not what I'm thinking of. The National Guard, they train with weapons. They can be mobilized to fight. That's a fighting force. They do other things,

but they are, when necessary, a fighting force. So if I join the National Guard, there's a possibility I can get sent overseas and have to carry a gun around and shoot people. I am talking about a civil defense force where there is no possibility that you carry a gun around. There are no guns. You are not trained to shoot and kill people. You are trained only to save people. You are trained only to help, like a help force. Well, the AmeriCorps would be something like that,

but it's not funded in the same way. It's not funded in the same way that you're talking. You're talking about like a defense budget. Yeah, like the same,

not military, but the same kind of concept where I could join it and I could devote myself to it and I could get... You could be a general in this thing. Right, yes, absolutely. But it a general in this thing. Right.

Yes, absolutely. But it is not military. Yeah. Right? So there's no chance that I'm going to be sent off to fight because they don't train you to fight. It's not fighting. No fighting. Zero fighting.

Big budget. Okay. Zero fighting. Big budget. Let's see if we can make that happen. All right. We got a message from... This is from Jeffrey.

And he said, he said, hey, I'm just wondering if you guys could mention my group because I'm in Saskatchewan. I think he said. Is that what he said?

Yeah, Saskatchewan. I didn't think those were real. And that's. Have we caught one yet? No, but that fucking guy who stays out in the woods can make a call for one, though, can't he? Yeah.

I've seen him on those jerky commercials. The Saskatchewan shows up. Saskatchewan, yeah. Fuck shit up. This gentleman wanted us to mention the First United Prostifarian Church of Saskatchewan is his group. We're going to put a link on this week's show notes. He wants just to know people in his area that are atheists. So if you happen to be in the great state of Saskatchewan or whatever, I don't know,

and want to get in touch with them, we're going to put it on this week's show notes. You can do that. It's only 300 miles to the next person. No kidding, right? It's like, yeah, we can get together for beers. It'll take us each six hours to get there. I'll tell you what, let's start it fermenting now and it will be beer.

How about we both crack one and do a voiceover IP with a video? Wouldn't that sound good? Yeah. That's probably the only way to meet up there. Jesus. But we'll post it on this week's show notes for you. So we want to thank Camille for joining us today.

She has a book coming out called Queer Disbelief, Why LGBTQ Equality is an Atheist Issue. We're going to put a link to the Kickstarter, and I'm sure there's going to be ways in which you can contact her. We'll put her Twitter on here as well. So you can pre-order the book. We're hoping that her book does well. It looks like a great book, and she's a very knowledgeable person. So check her stuff out. That's going to wrap it up for this week. We're going to leave you like we always do with the Skeptic's Creed. Credulity is not a virtue. It's fortune cookie cutter, mommy issue, hypno Babylon bullshit.

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