Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 410: Sadness Correspondent

Episode Date: April 23, 2018

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which is the metropolitan who-the-hell-knows-what. which is the metropolitan who-the-hell-knows-what. My wife had to fight for five years to get her tubes tied in Virginia because, well, this is a shithole state. Even though we never wanted kids, we will never want kids, apparently the state thinks we're going to change our minds soon. Thanks a lot, guys. Just commenting on your you can't handle the truth. Bye bye.

It's Alvin Cecil. You guys did a thing about Tommy Vangelis was saying that there was not a scandal at the Oval Office. That's why he liked Trump. I'm going to go out on a limb here and interpret that as to them, scandal means that Trump hasn't said that it's okay for gays to exist or for women to have a choice with what to do with their bodies. And to them, that means that there's been no scandal so far. So yeah, glory hole. Hey guys, I was just listening to your episode which featured the new law in Arizona where women seeking abortions

have to answer a questionnaire I live next door in Colorado and trust me Arizona is a shithole driven through it, terrible anyway, what they don't realize this is the part that really irks me I've had an abortion and I went to Planned Parenthood

and you know what Planned Parenthood does? They make you do the same thing. So they make you sit in a room with somebody who asks you questions to make sure this is your choice and that you want to do it. And then they give you like a mandatory wait period. So you can't get your abortion until you talk to them. And then you have to wait a certain amount of time with them and answer all of these questions as well before you're allowed to get your abortion. So the stupid part is they don't even realize that this is already being done. They think they've made this like awesome law that's going to stop women from getting abortions. But most likely, if they're going to plan parenthood to get any of their stuff for their education, they have to answer those questions

anyway. Because, you know, I don't know, responsible clinics ask those questions just to make sure someone's not being forced against their will or to make sure that it's the choice they want. Hey, guys, keep it up. Glory to all motherfuckers. Hey, fellas, this is Connor calling from up in Canada there. I was just thinking about the story about how winking is now considered blasphemous under islam and it occurs to me that allah just seems like a real grumpy guy you know he doesn't like dancing and he doesn't like pretty girls and he doesn't like dogs and he doesn't like alcohol and he doesn't like winking and he just seems like a big fucking killjoy, you know? I wouldn't have the guy over for dinner.

I don't understand why people worship him. Anyway, love the show. Glory hole. Be advised that this show is not for children, the faint of heart, or the easily offended. The explicit tag is there for a reason. recording live from glory hole studios in chicago this is cognitive dissonance every episode we blast anyone who gets in our way we We bring critical thinking, skepticism, and irreverence to any topic that makes the news, makes it big, or makes us mad. It's skeptical, it's political, and there is no welcome mat.

This is episode 410 of Cognitive Dissonance, and we may or may not be joined this evening by an in-studio guest. We may or may not be. It may be on 411, too. It might be. It may be on 4.11 too. It might be. It might be on 4.11 instead. You don't know. We don't know. You just can't tell. You know what you're going to have to do? You're going to have to listen to both episodes. That's what you're going to have to do.

Who knows? We might have a guest on later. We might not. I don't know. The episode So Nice, you'll have to download it twice. I think this episode is going to be Waiting for Wrath. Well, you don't know until you edit it and splice it all together and post. But I've got to say it. I'm going to hedge my bets and say this episode is going to be waiting for wrath. Well, you don't know until you edit it and splice it all together and post. But I've got to say it. So I'm going to hedge my bets and say this episode,

we're going to have, not in studio, on Skype, waiting for wrath. We're going to be talking about a project that they're putting on, and they're going to come on and chit-chat with us for a little while and talk about how boring it is in Montana. They are.

They're in one of the states that are just like, I don't know, make it a square. Whatever. Just, nobody cares where it starts and stops. Get a surveyor and make it a square. Hey, does anyone want to land next to it, above it, below it, or the other side? No?

Yeah, make it a square. Put it by the other square state. Don't even have an interesting river to make a fountain. I want to talk real quick before we get into the episode, though, Tom. Recently, within our last five episodes, I want to talk real quick before we get into the episode, though, Tom. Recently, within our last five episodes, I want to say, we had David Silverman on, formerly of American Atheists. Formerly. David Silverman was let go from American Atheists because of sexual misconduct and, I guess, financial misconduct was the other thing. I thought he'd gotten clear to the financial misconduct.

Did he? Okay. I thought, I'm not, to be entirely fair, I want to put it out there in the front. Like I read the original article. I did hear about a follow-up that he was clear to the financial. Okay.

I think the sexual misconduct allegations are still pending. And so they've let him go. Yeah. And there is, there's been reports. I want to say on BuzzFeed, there was a message that said that,

you know, that there was two descriptions about what happened. And in both cases, it's pretty clear somebody overstepped their bounds in both of those cases. And I want to say very quickly, and I want to get it out of the way, because I don't want to spend a lot of time on it, but I want to say,

David was on our show. We asked him a question specifically about this, about atheist leaders and bad actors. want to say, David was on our show and we asked him a question specifically about this, about atheist leaders and bad actors. And David said, I believe the victims and we need to hold those people accountable. I do not feel that because David was a bad actor and David has misconduct now in his past, I don't think his message is any less. I think his message is still valid. Whether or not the person delivering the message is somebody who clearly is a hypocrite, that doesn't make the message any less important and necessary. The people at American Atheists, they decided to let him go. And I've read those allegations and I agree with their decision. I see their decision and I think,

yeah, absolutely. I think with those two allegations, I would not want that person representing me either. And I never't, I never really had any relationship with David Silverman enough to say, I don't, I don't really care about what happens to him, but I will say that his message that he delivered on our show still stands, even if he himself is somebody who is sort of now a target of that message. No matter, no matter how things shake out. I think, you know, I saw something online where somebody said, Hey, you know, I had so-and-so on the show. They're talking about a different pot.

I had so-and-so on the show. What should I do? You know, should I delete the episode? You can't go back and rewrite history. Yeah. Right? So, you know, if you have somebody on the show in good faith, and we've had all of our guests on in good faith. Sure.

Right? on the show in good faith and we've had all of our guests on in good faith. So if you have somebody on in good faith and then something happens after the fact that makes you question, would we invite them on now? No, absolutely not. Of course not. But I think your point is well taken. The message and the messenger should be divorced from one another. And I think we don't do that often enough. We confuse very frequently. We confuse the message and the messenger. And I think we don't do that often enough, right? We confuse, very frequently, we confuse the message and the messenger. And when we do that, we can throw away valuable messages because we don't anymore like the messenger. And that's always a mistake. That is every single time that's a mistake. You know, the quality of somebody's argument, the veracity of the argument does not change because the messenger is, you know, trouble is problematic.

Right. No matter what it is. I'm not even getting into the specifics. I think it's important to always evaluate the message independent of the messenger. So, you know, the things that David Silverman said when he was on the show, I think were important. They were valuable. The conference that he put together, the pieces that he talked about putting into place to build safe spaces for people to come and to gather. Those are the right messages. Yeah. Those are still the right messages. So, you know, I think that was important and I'm glad that those messages got out. Yeah.

I wanted to make sure that we made a statement about this because I, you know, 100%, we've said it in the past, we condemn people, any form of sexual harassment whatsoever. So there's never any question about that. You don't have to ask us whether or not we think David Silverman is, you know, is in the right or in the wrong. He's 100% in the wrong. We do not condone and we actually condemn any kind of sexual harassment or sexual assault. Anybody who commits an act of sexual harassment or sexual

assault, no! Don't do that! Always be not doing that. And I will always not be on their side. So you don't have to ask that question, but I definitely wanted to get it out of the way that his message was important. And I don't want people to just say, uh, you know, cause I think what the other side is going to do, the people who don't want, uh, a, uh, a sort of set of

boundaries ahead of a conference will look to him and say, see, he's the one who set that up. And he even, he couldn't stand up to those standards, making sure that those standards are no longer valuable. Those standards are no longer, they're not only not valuable, they're just impossible to stand up. Cause even the guy who did it, who set these up, who's who came on our show and made the claim to fame that he was the one who set this all up the first conference with a code of conduct and he broke the code of conduct there. It's therefore it's impossible. No, it's not impossible. It's not impossible at all. I saw, you know, they have a really cool system at American Atheist. You put buttons on your lanyard and it's you can talk to me.

You can't talk to me. And it's one of those things like you can like like sexually like, you know, like you. I'm interested in meeting someone here, meeting someone like I'm single and ready to mingle or I'm not, you know, like I'm not interested in that sort of thing. And you can put those kind of like when you go to like a Brazilian steakhouse. You know, you ask for the Brazilian. It's always green. I'm just saying like that thing is always flipped to green. I thought you're Brazilian. It's always shaved.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So no, but it's a really clever system. And I was like, you know what? That's a great system because someone came up to me and was talking. I was like, what's that button on there? And they explained it. It's a really clever system to initiate contact if that contact is therefore warranted. And I think it's a great idea. Just because David is a bad actor doesn't make that idea any less of a good idea.

Can you imagine being a single woman at an atheist conference with the bring me more meat button on? Like, you would be so wrong. It's the hot dog. It's the hot dog picture where the woman gets hot dogs thrown at her face. You would be fucking... I'm trying to just... Okay, I'm flipping this over. I can't walk. Exactly.

I would just... I would always... I would dress in spikes. Like a puffer fish. Are you kidding me? I'm just trying to imagine having the... Are you kidding me? I'm just trying to imagine having the... Are you kidding?

You freaking bully, you coward! I hate you! My listeners hate you! And remember that scumbag forever. We're going to defeat this anti-human scum!

We're going to wreck their world! This story is from The Hill. Parents of children who died in Sandy Hook shootings Sue Alex Jones for defamation Oh man I fucking love this shit So Alex Jones has been fucking screaming About Sandy Hook being a false flag

For what? Since it happened However many years ago it happened Three families have come forward and said, yeah, that's fucking great. By the way, my fucking kid is dead. So maybe I'm not the one you want to fuck with, fatty fat

fat. And he's the guy who him and many others that have gone out of their way to talk about the Comet Pizzagate thing. And a guy came to the Comet Police Place with a fucking gun. So you keep talking about these people like they're crisis actors

and all that stuff. You keep saying that sort of thing. And they have been harassed. Remember, we covered a story like, I don't know, nine months or a year ago about a woman who got arrested for harassing the family of one of the victims

of the Sandy Hook shooting. It is beyond awful. These people have already experienced an incredible loss. That tragedy is one thing that so many people just can't even understand. A soul-crushingly,

back-breakingly difficult thing to have to go through. And to have somebody mock that for money? Yeah. Because, I mean, that's what this is. Absolutely.

It's like Alex Jones is mocking for money. And he said down here, he said, the only problem is I've watched a lot of soap operas. I've seen a lot of actors before. I know when I'm watching a movie

and when I'm watching something real. Yeah, Alex, remember when you threw that fucking chair on your set? That was a soap opera. That was a fucking soap opera. Like, everything he does

is a soap opera. You know, so this idea that he's, you know, he's projecting on all these other people that they're acting when he's the one. You know, that's interesting, right?

He's like, well, I'm a liar and a fake and I know one when I see one. Yeah. Because I'm one. Yeah. So. You know he's going to have to make

a Chobani-like statement and be like, I just want to say that those people were real and hurt. Won't work, though. And my lawyers told me to read this. But were real. Won't work, though. And hurt. And my lawyers told me to read this.

But, you know, here's the thing. Like, when he did that with Chobani, Chobani's like, all right, cool. We're cool. We'll let it go. If I'm one of these families, I'd be like, that's an admission. We'll just go and use that in court. By the way, I want to ruin you. Yeah. Like, you hurt me in the softest spot I have.

ruin you. Yeah. Like you hurt me in the softest spot I have. I can't believe that he would be so brazen with all of this and say these things constantly over and over again. And, you know, this is not one of those things that he can fall back on. And remember when he did the Chobani thing

and he fell back and said, you know, I was just reporting what other news agencies said. And he said the same thing about Pizzagate. He's like, I'm just reporting what other... He backed away real hard from Pizz thing about pizza gate. He's like, I'm just reporting what other people, he backed up way real hard from pizza gate. When that happened, I'll tell you what, this isn't something you can back away from. Cause you've been leading the charge and there's a whole super cut.

I saw today that was on Twitter, seven minutes of him in different portions, talking about how they were liars. And he's like, I didn't believe it at first, but that's, that's not true. It didn't happen on and on and on and on.

He's going to, I think, you know, if I, I, I'm sure the, the, the interesting law part of this has to do with whether or not this is

defamation and whether or not he's going to actually be. Yeah. I don't know how that works. Like, I don't know anything about law talking. I don't either. And I don't want to pretend that I don't either. Yeah.

But I can say that what I hope and it's just a hope. Fucking hope in one hand, shit in the other. My hope is that this ruins him. Just fucking financially destroys Alex Jones. And I hope it ruins him forever.

And when I say that I want to be very clear about what I mean. I hope he never ever ever recovers. I hope he works as a fucking used car salesman for the rest of his fucking days, which are, in my humble estimation, going to be short because of the steroid use, you know, and then garnished wages until he dies. Because genuinely, this isn't this. Yeah. I mean, this is a, it is an inexcusably mean spirited thing to do. Yeah. And there's no way. And this is the great thing about not being Christian, right? Like, I don't think he should be forgiven ever for hurting people that hurt. Right.

It's nobody else's, nobody else's place except for those people who've been hurt to decide whether they're forgiven or not. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But like, as somebody out on the outside, it's like, you're a person who hurts people that hurt. That makes you the worst. Like, you're just like in a category,

it's called the worst, and it's like got one column, and in it right now, there may be other people, but there's certainly you. Like, you're in that category of the worst. I hope they fucking ruin this guy. You know, it's not far-fetched

because the lawsuits are in the millions already and there's several different people. And I can't imagine while he is, you know, I'm sure he's worth

some millions, he's not worth that much. They may have to dismantle the entire network. Oh, it would be amazing. It would be amazing. But Alex is going to be embattled for a long time

about this. You know, I don't know how long they're going to be able to delay and all that stuff. You know how fucking the law is all stupid. I know. Takes forever. Takes forever to get anything done. Can we just get back to trial by combat? Although Alex Jones

would love that. Alex Jones. You'd have to get a ringer. You'd have to be like, you'd have to be like, okay, I brought, you know. You gotta get a champion, right? Yeah, you gotta bring in like Chuck Liddell or something. I got the rock just shows up. He's like everybody's ringer. Get the mountain from Game of Thrones.

I don't know exactly what it is or what it's doing, but this is not human intelligence. Okay? It's not human intelligence. This story is everything to me right now. This story is from Right Wing Watch. It's Alex Jones. Alex Jones claims attractive women tried to date him in high school

to convert him to Satanism. This story is everything. I saw this this week and I was like, I was so fucking erect. I could not, I was like, this is beautiful.

All right, so this is Alex from his show InfoWars. You know, when I was growing up in Rockwall, Texas, at that time, the richest county in Texas, a bedroom community of Dallas.

And every time I thought some hot 17-year-old when I was like 13 or 14 really wanted to date me. Oh, so much already. 16 seconds. Yeah. 16 seconds. Is he really telling us, Tom's stories about his middle school dating life and how awesome it was?

The idea that he's going to be telling us this one time at camp I banged a girl from like Niagara Falls is the very best because that's what it is. It's a Niagara Falls story. I know, but it's a band camp story, but it's even better because like it's he even

paints himself in a shitty light. He's like, look, man, these girls wanted to date me. I don't know why they wanted to do that either. Like he also can't figure it out. He made up a story that is improbable and it,

and he basically highlights the improbability of attractive women wanting to date him and ascribing supernatural influences as the only thing that could account for this bizarre phenomenon. How weird would it be if you sat down and talked to somebody and they were like, let me tell you about this time in high school

where I was really cool. You just be like, I gotta go. Dude, I sat in on a meeting. I sat in on a meeting with a guy who's gotta be late 50s, early 60s, right? And I look over, and he's got his high school class ring.

And I was like, oh! Did you throw the big football catch thing or whatever? Like, are you some kind of... Justin's talked him into a ring. It was a high school class ring. That is a man nearing retirement age. Wow.

And he's like, you know, when I woke up this morning, I put this suit on. Chose this ring. This is the ring. This is the one. He doesn't have his wedding ring on. He didn one. He doesn't have his wedding ring on. He didn't have a wedding ring on.

Probably because his fucking 17-year-old girlfriend from back in the day. You know, I once dated a girl with a vagina. I mean, I never saw it, but she said she had one. I just, her hair was long. And I drive out to some big old mansion of theirs, and I mean real I never saw it, but she said she had one. I just, her hair was long. And I'd drive out to some big old mansion of theirs.

And I mean, real mansions, helicopter pads, private landing fields, you name it. He would drive out when he was 13 or 14. How are you driving out there? What are you taking your scooter? Alex Jones has like those knickers on, those onesie knickers. And his little shoes that he's pushing down the road. That's amazeballs. Drive out to the mansions.

At the third or fourth time I'd been with him, they'd tell me, by the way, we worship this God. And we want you to come to this event. We want you to engage in this activity because Lucifer's really God. Wait, did this happen to him? Hold on a minute. This is amazing. Oh, gosh. Because he said every time, as if this was like a common occurrence.

Yeah, it's like constantly. We're like, all the 17-year-old girls say, like, they turn like 16, like 15, they have their quinceanera, and then like 17, they have their, like, lucifera or some shit. What the fuck? Oh, you got Beelzebub.

Oh, whatever. Happens to all the girls around here. I love the idea that they'll be like, after the fourth meeting they're like, you're cool enough to tell you about the Lucifer thing. How does that work? Because I'm not a fucking 13-year-old boy anymore. Are you fucking by the third date? I don't know. I don't think so. I think maybe you're

you've tweaked the boobies. Alright, okay. Third date? So the 17-year-old's don't think so i think maybe you're you've you've tweaked the boobies all right okay third date so so so so the 17 year old's like all right you've moved past the cheek i'll let you kissing a little tongue and you've tweaked the boobie all right yeah so you're we've got the headlights on all the 13 year olds now they're on tinder and you know i told people those stories when i first got on air 20 years ago and they they were like, bullshit. Really? They're like, do you know that you sound really pathetic? Did this really happen to you? Here's the thing. Even if it were

true, think about how pathetic this makes it. I know, God. You're still talking about it years and years later. If this were true, this should be your secret, secret shame. Make this your secret shame. And you kind of sound a little bit hokey, but now you see it all over the mainstream media

and there's a spiritual component to this. It's not a power trip. They knew interdimensionally. You know, I don't like a superficial girl that only thinks about things one dimensionally. I like him to think outside of the Schrodinger's cube. I like a good interdimensional thought.

They were really thinking interdimensionally about that one. Oh, fuck. That's impressively impossible. Because believe me, they weren't trying to get the average person to go do that. Everybody thought like, why are you dating the head cheerleader or the head senior when you're a freshman in high school? Is there a head senior? There's a head senior. Does that senior

give head? He's clearly dating the valedictorian cheerleader, Tom. Oh, yeah. Come on now. Did they name like, oh, you're the head senior. So there's a lot of responsibility that comes with this position. You have to become satanic and date 13-year-old boys.

Here's a garden hose. Here's a golf ball. Tell me when you're done. Well, because, you know, she was driving me out there in her $100,000 Mercedes. And that was 30-something years ago. I thought you were driving. This story is getting more complicated as we go along. I don't understand this story at all.

So, you know, Judge Judy says, if you tell the truth, you don't have to love a long memory. And I think right now, you're already messing up your own story. And again, I just want to point out again, like he's saying, like, when I told this story, people were like, why did this happen to you they're like

looking at him like wait a minute wait can we rewind to the part where a hot chick wanted to see you're like a box with a head you're like one of those you're like one of those clothing boxes they drop clothes right it's like a wardrobe box a pumpkin someone said on top of it driving me out there in her her100,000 Mercedes. That'd be a $300,000 Maybach today. Why did it change brands? I don't know. I don't know.

It just, okay. It hit me into the cult. And then I was about 16 and got taken by a girl out to the lake. And this big vineyard. It was way out in Hunt, way out outside Dallas. And I saw these police cars pulling up. People getting out and saying, we're going to have a bonfire. Alex, don't be scared

and started to see it. Why would you be? Why would they say that? Why would they say, we're going to have a bonfire. Don't be scared. Maybe he's 16 and afraid of fire.

Was he Frankenstein's monster? That's the weirdest thing anybody's ever said in a sentence to anyone. So, so, so a 16 year old girl drives him.

So we don't know how... No, he's 16. So how old are the girls now? Are they still 17? No, he's 16. I guess they're probably a little older at this point. So are they still... Okay.

And they're still driving him places? I guess so at 16. Man, he's fucking killing it. Yeah, man. Yeah. Hell yeah. Uber back then was killer. So she's driving him out to the lake, which is also a vineyard.

And then the police show up to have a scary bonfire. To have a scary bonfire. Yep. Okay. People putting black hoods on. These weren't KKK hoods. These were black hoods.

And I remember- They weren't like, they weren't the good kind of hood. They were black hoods. Oh, Jesus. They were blackheads. Saying, oh my God. She's like, don't be scared.

And I said, I'm not scared. I'm not part of this. And walking back on the road at about five miles later, didn't have cell phones back then. I had like 10 miles to walk back. Police came and got me, said, boy, you've been drinking.

We're taking you to jail. And then my family lawyer called my dad and they said, Dr. Jones, you need to leave Dallas or your son's going to be found dead hanging in a jail cell. Yeah, none of that happened. Because lawyers, what they do is warn you that, you know, because what are you, a mob boss?

Like, are you kidding me? Have you ever had a conversation? Lawyers are the most boring people in the universe. No lawyer's ever said that to anyone in the world. No. Also, like, if the police are in a place where they're murdering

people, then why would they not just murder people? I'm always amused when it's like, well, if I didn't leave, these murderers would have murdered me. Murderers would just murder you! They don't give you a... They don't wait until the police give them an okay. They don't just, okay, is it okay to murder?

I'm a murderer, and as a... Is it is it okay to murder? I'm a murderer. And as a murderer, but I am a... Is it the purge day yet? I'm punctual. I only murdered three. I'm going to do it on the purge day. And you know, like the best part about the story is how many different lies he has to tell while he's telling the story to get his point across.

And I still am not sure, quite sure what the point is, but do you think any part of this is true? Like, has he ever been to a lake, for example? You know? Has he ever spoken to a lawyer? Like, I'm doubting the veracity. I'm going to say he's spoken to lawyers. Now, later, the last laugh happened when the sheriff and others got busted for narcotics.

And Texas Monthly did a story about it and didn't believe me and actually went back and asked people. And they said, no, that actually went on. Now, look how crazy that was 30 plus years ago. I'm 44. So I was about 13, 14 when all that started. And look what we've done against the globalists. Look at Bohemian Grove.

Look at it all. All of us are being called towards a quickening. Is this the Highlander now? Hey. It's the Highlander. There's going to be a guy with a samurai sword from Scotland. Like, why don't you have a Claymore? Those are heavy.

Look, I'm not carrying one of those around. I'm a Spanish guy who went to the Orient, China, to get a samurai sword. Thank you very much. He was... Did he say that? I am the Kurgan and I have a put... Remember the snappy sword he had?

No. Don't you remember the first Highlander? Do you remember the first Highlander? I don't. I remember the second one because heads just fell off of people. The Kurgan,

who was the evil guy in that. Okay. He's the one who had the... He had the safety pins in his neck. I don't know if you remember. He's the character. I don't even remember this at all. I think it was the bully from one of those old timey movies too. Was it the Gooch from Different Strokes?

Something like that. Anyway, this dude is like he's got a sword in that movie. This is the funniest shit ever. It's a broadsword that he carries in a briefcase. It opens the briefcase and it's in pieces.

And he takes the handle. Wait, the sword is in pieces? He takes the handle and he puts it there and then he starts taking pieces of the broadsword and they snap together. And then he's got to

snap together the broadsword. Then he fights the final battle. That story is more believable than anything. He's got a snap type. Did he buy it from Ikea? Does it have cam locks and doll raunches? It's literally like a snap. It's like, it's the dumbest sword you've ever seen in your entire life.

Like I saw it when I was like, when I was 10 and I had a boner about swords, I was like, that's the dumbest thing you've ever seen in your entire life? Like I saw it when I was like, when I was 10 and I had a boner about swords, I was like, that's the dumbest I've ever seen. And we're either going to resonate with the dark satanic force of the force of life. What is that? Can I hear the whole thing about the quickening of the dark forces one more time?

Let's try it all here. Against the globalists, look at Bohemian Grove, look at it all. All of us are being called towards a quickening. Don't know what that means. And we're either going to resonate with the dark satanic force

of the force of life. We're going to resonate with the roundup and the genetic engineering and the nuclear war. We're going to resonate with happy green fields and butterflies and our children.

Wait, those are our options? Wait a minute. Nuclear war or butterflies? Nuclear war or your children. I'll choose the war. Have you met my kids? Are you kidding me? Any kids.

The fucking house would be cleaner if a bomb went off inside it. And the strongest people out there don't choose the evil. They're strong enough to buck it and to go through it. I don't tell you that story to sit there and impress you. But I do want to point out, I was banging a 17-year-old before I had pubic hair. When I was 13. They liked the boy smooth back then.

I don't tell... You could not tell a less impressive story. Like, I don't tell that story to impress you. Well, I couldn't imagine a world where that would have done the trick. I think I would have been

more impressed with you failing to flip an omelet. Like that would be the more impressive. You're like, yeah. So I just decided to make scrambled eggs with bacon and cheese instead of making an omelet. Cause I just think every time I put it over the side, I tried to pull it up and I'm using one of those nonstick pans. It got a little stuck in there and I tried to shove it off to the side. And so I just decided, you want to fuck it.

I'm just going to stir it up. So I just stirred it up with a spatula. Because I'll be honest with you. I love women and they were great pieces of ass. Oh my God. What 13 year old boy is banging away? Like, you love those stories. And like, yeah, I lost my virginity at nine.

They were a great piece of ass. It was an Annie back then. I'm just glad he's keeping it classy. Oh yeah. You know, that's what we, we almost, we almost walked away from this story a handful of seconds early. I just want to say like, I'm glad I'm glad we waited. Alex didn't wait, but they were great pieces of ass.

It's amazing. They weren't there to get me because they thought I was good looking. Cause I wasn't. Cause you weren't. Let me tell you. Cause you look like chunk from fucking Goonies, man. Can you imagine like,

look at how ugly he is now. Can you imagine his awkward face? He used to make his belly talk. Just drew the, Oh, I'm going to eat. Yeah. I'm bigger than you.

I'm hiring a food chain. Get in my belly. I love this story. It's from Newsweek. Newsweek is fucking killing it these days. They're just, they're not fucking around. Trump is so angry about Mueller. He mostly just sits. He's mostly just eats and watches TV. I don't know if this is true. I have no idea if this is true at all, but I still kind of love the idea that like we're even writing stories with any seriousness about our president

where he's in such a bad mood, he's just like, fine, fuck it, I'm just going to put these, I'm going to have this Ben and Jerry's. I don't care. I'm going to watch my shows. I wonder if he sits around and his wife beat her and he asks Melania to get him a beer. He's like, hey, give me a beer.

I'm just going to sit around and watch Rick and Morty all day. Fuck all you guys. If he's asking Melania to get him a beer, it would be so much better if Archie Bunker was the president. Is Archie Bunker not the president right now? I think, you know, you go back and watch some of those Archie Bunker stuff. Yeah, he's a racist.

Yeah, he's kind of shitty, but I think once in a while he kind of has a heart of gold. At least there's once in a while he's redeemable as a person oh my god think about what's being said right now there's a his son is fucking meathead like his son is fucking a meathead yeah oh my god he's got a ditzy daughter i was listening to a fire and fury uh yeah yeah it's okay by the way did you listen to it yeah did you get through the whole thing? Not the whole thing yet. How about, I don't know, third or... Yeah. You know, one thing that

was said that I heard that I did think was interesting, and it struck me as that it feels generally true. And it's as far as I'll go with it, right? So I don't want to... But, you know, it's like, you know, he's talking about how Trump's always been wealthy. Very, very wealthy wealthy, came from a very, very wealthy family.

And like when you are that wealthy, the world kind of revolves around you and you have like you set your schedule and you become this sort of like ultimate creature of habit because you get all of your whims whenever you want to get them. because you get all of your whims whenever you want to get them. And I was thinking about it, and it's like, you know, in my life, in your life, in regular people's lives, like, we're always changing and adapting to the world. Sure. But when you have this level of resources, you don't have to change or adapt to the world. You can, you are by and large able to move the world around you. You know, you can, you're going to eat when you want to eat. You're going to go where you want to go.

Like the world is going to cater to you like it does to a toddler. Like it does to an actual, like a little kid is on a schedule. And I was thinking about that. And I was like, you know, is there something about like extreme wealth that should disqualify somebody from office? Because it almost seems like at a certain level, it disqualifies you from participation in the real world. And I don't know how well I believe that.

I don't know that I do. It just struck me as an interesting thing to think about. It's like, is there a point where you're so wealthy, you're no longer adapting to the world. The world is adapting to you and your, your conception of how things work is just wrong. It's just how it works for you. And, and, and not, not almost anybody else. I don't know if you remember when McCain was talking about, you know, do you think, you know, people, people are going to want, you know, $50,000 just for picking plants or something. I don't know if you remember, there was something that made him seem so out of touch with reality. Like it just felt like

super out of touch. And I recognize that there's many of these people who say things that seems very out of touch. It feels like they're not, they're not living the American experience like many other people are, you know, I spent my, almost my entire life living paycheck to paycheck. Right. You know what I mean? Like my adult life and my young life, like paycheck to paycheck was just how I lived. Like you just expected that money to come in and there was never any savings, never any cushion, never any, any ability to fall back on anything else.

It was always just like, this has got to work. This has got to work for me. And I feel like many times when I hear somebody talk about, you know, um, the shitty people on welfare or how people are, you know, um, you know, taking advantage of the government and they're just sitting on the dole and they're not doing anything and whatever, however, they're sort of treating those people and feel like when people say that sort of thing, they've never had to experience that for themselves. They don't know what that feels like. They don't know what it feels like to eat government cheese. They don't know what it's like to drink powdered milk because their family can't afford it. And they don't know what that feels like. And they've also been,

I think, probably pretty privileged in their life so that they haven't had to have any hardships. Feel like you get somebody who's had some hardships in their life so that they haven't had to have any hardships. Feel like, you know, you get somebody who's had some hardships in their life. They have a little bit of empathy for the little guy, for the, you know, and that, and let's be real honest. The little guy is a majority of America. It's almost everybody. It's almost, it's almost everybody. Very small, slim amount of people that live on that immense amount of wealth that we're

talking about here. They, you know, most people do live paycheck to paycheck. They don't fucking, they don't live right in a set in a way where they're just like, yeah, I've got a whole year salary saved up just in case something goes wrong or whatever. Nobody does that.

People don't do that when we're being governed. Yeah. I feel like we're being governed by a, a group of people who by and large see the American experience as a thought experiment. They don't have a connection to it. It's a thought experiment about who people are and how they live

and what they need. If you are so divorced from the reality of how people scrape by week to week to week to week to week. Like your ability to connect is just fucking minimal.

14%. Holy shit. This is according to Huffington Post article from 2014, right? So a couple years ago, four years ago, according to a 2014 article, more than 45 million people or 14.5% of all Americans live below the poverty line in that last year.

So they're talking about the census stuff that came out. What is the poverty line? Like dollars wise. Holy fuck. So just as a point of reference, the federal poverty level for an individual, $12,140 a year. $1,000 a month. That's pre-tax.

They're probably not going to... They are getting taxes taken out, but they're probably not getting much taken out. But still. For a family of two, $16,460. Yeah. For a family of two.

For a family of three, $20,780. For a family of four, $25,100. They're going up in increments of about $4,000. It's $4,000 all the way up, I think. I want to say it's $4,000. Oh my God. $4,200.

So, you know, what's crazy to think about, Cecil, is let's say you're a fucking family of four making $30,000. Yeah. You're not on the poverty line, but that is desperate. Dire times, man. 30 grand to raise four people. Well,

depending on where you live, you know, like we are, we are, we live in an area where it's pretty expensive to live. Like Chicagoland area is not cheap to live in. You know, you could feasibly be living somewhere where it's much cheaper to live,

you know, like, you know, very rural areas, parts of the country, probably a lot cheaper to live, you know, like, you know, very rural areas, parts of the country, probably a lot cheaper to live, but still that's still very, very,

very little money. Very little breathing room, man. Like, like there's nothing there. Absolutely. There's nothing there. Like just to,

just to pay the electric bill and feed people and like house them and like transport yourself to and from work. How the fuck are you supposed to do that on less than, because that's, you know, you're still paying like, what do you take home? You take home $1,200 every two weeks,

$1,300 every two weeks. If you don't pay any taxes or benefits or medical benefits or saving for retirement, if you just take the cash. Yeah. If you just cash out every time. And don't pay any... Nobody gets medical benefits. You know you're gonna... You gotta pay part of that Social Security no matter what.

You're not gonna get away with that. That's the thing. So your take-home... Let's say you're 30 grand. You have a family of four. You're paying Social Security and you have health insurance because... I mean, fuck, what if you don't have health insurance? Yeah. Without health insurance at 30 grand a year, that's one doctor's visit.

So like I have health insurance, I have a good company, right? So like, but my health insurance is $500 out of my check every month. So that's what comes out of my check. Sure. So I'm starting with like $2,400. I pay social security,

then I pay another five grand. I'm not taking home 2,400. I'm taking home 18 on the generous side. Let's say your rent is super fucking cheap. Super fucking cheap and it's $700 a month. You got nothing.

Yeah. You got, how are you eating food and paying for the gas and the electric and all the little, you would have to have every moment of your life

budgeted out and you would have to be getting assistance, I think. I think no matter what, you're getting some assistance. And that's not the point. I added five grand to the poverty line. That was the point of that. I think you're getting some assistance at that point.

You have to. And we're talking about 15% of people at this level. So what's the percentage of people that are in the fucking, oh, shit, level? That are near it, but not on it. When you start looking at that near the poverty line, how much, if you did an error bar on it, that's like five or six grand above or below,

what's above? A little bit, five or six grand above, you're still kind of in the poverty line. I mean, you're still, you're hovering around it. You're not officially there, but you're certainly living it. You're living. And again,

like to the original point, we are being governed by people who by and large cannot conceive of this existence as anything other than a thought experiment. Yeah. Well, it's interesting,

you know, when they talk about he's just sitting around, he's eating, he's watching TV. I wonder if they're like, you know, when they do the autopsy,

if they're just going to find like half a hot dog in one of his veins just like no that's what did it it was the hot dog near his heart his heart valve got lodged on a hot dog so weird he's got a lung full of cherry garcia you wouldn't think his i just want to say i've never seen a guy whose spleen was actually a piece of chocolate cake. Like it was just like, like a floating piece, a three layer chocolate cake. Can you imagine if this was true?

And he's just like, he's just fucking binge eating angrily. He's just like, watching like fucking marathoning. Orange is the new black. And like, you know, fuck you guys.

But he's not though. You know, cause he's, he's obsessed about himself. And so he constantly is watching the news to hear about him. And he's only watching things that reinforce his opinion about how great he is and never watching any criticism.

Well, I read an analysis not that long ago. I'm trying to remember where I read it. That, like, it compared what's on TV during his peak tweeting times. And so, fox and friends is on he tweets a fucking shit storm during fox and friends and he parrots lines directly from fox absolutely yeah he hears it and he's like that's a good one right and so he'll direct quote in his tweets fox and friends shit like we're we're being governed by Fox and Friends.

Yeah, no, they're the guys. It's a show called Fox and Friends. It sounds like a kindergarten show. It does. It sounds like something

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in case anybody doesn't know, the Syrians gas their own people like they do. You know, and Trump allegedly. Yeah. Come the fuck out with that shit, right? You see the fucking videos of the kids it was a false flag right so don't sue me siri you're gonna get fucking deposed like oh man i gotta go to syria damn it

ah it's the worst so trump's trump launched a bunch of missiles he did you know like that's his thing like you know you shoot missiles at your people i'll shoot missiles at you you and then we'll have a missile for missile fight you had an interesting point earlier and i don't want to i just want to touch on it briefly but you know you had an interesting point about chemical weapons and how that's a red line you had said you know dying from a bomb is just as horrible. Yeah. Haley and I were talking about this, like, after it happened, because initially my reaction was like, you know, I feel, I feel a little torn. I was like, you know, I'm kind of pro,

should there be an international red line? Should there be? And I, and, and I think, you know, the international red line has always been this WMD line that we've been fed, right? Weapons of mass destruction. There's three categories. It's nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons. And I think that there's a really strong case for nuclear, right? Anybody who argues that case is just an idiot and I won't entertain it. I think the same can be said for biological weapons, right?

You know, and the reasons for that are numerous and obvious. But, you know, like, and I'm not condoning it by any stretch of the imagination, but when I've seen the use of chemical weapons and then I see the aftermath of this, and Haley and I were talking, she's like, you know, you see these kids are like blown off legs and melted faces

from a regular bomb. Why is that any different? And I was like, you know, that's a fucking really good point. And I got to thinking about it and we got to talking about it and I was like, I don't know that it's any different? And I was like, you know, that's a fucking really good point. And I got to thinking about it and we got to talking about it. And I was like, I don't know that it's any different. You know, like, why do we have this category of evil shit? And we say, oh, that's evil. But this other category of shit, which, let's be honest, is just as evil.

Regular ordnance is barrel bombs. Sure. Yeah. Like, we're okay with that. That's not a red line. Yeah. Either there's a red line called you fucking killed your civilians and we just won't allow it yeah or you don't have one this idea that we have a red line called you killed your civilians and you did it like a duty

head i'd be interested to hear if anybody has any counterpoints to that i'm sure you'll get some but i would like i'm curious what what the counterpoints that'll be this is alex jones though he's very upset that trump uh it's upset that Trump launched some airstrikes. Trump ordered strikes in Syria. Claims proof of gas attack. Blast in capital. Syria launches counterattack. Syria abruptly ends segment when former head of British Armed Forces.

Syria didn't end the segment. Sky News ended the segment. You can't even read. Yeah, because he loves his freaking kids, man. I love the idea that, like, if you don't agree with Alex Jones, you don't love your kids. Right? Isn't that implicit in there? No, I think he's saying, I don't know, maybe.

Maybe you're right. Because it was part of his last argument from the last story we did where it's like on the one side, you got nuclear war and Satanists. And on the other side, you got people who love their kids and puppy dogs or whatever. You have chemical weapons on one side and barrel bombs on the other. I mean, I feel like I just had my best girlfriend break up with me. I'm in the left. Your best girlfriend? That was the best one.

I have like 65 girlfriends, but the best one. The best. Honey, you're the best one. And Trump's just like, please stop calling me, honey. Alex, this is weird. I will wear the wig. This ain't funny, man. Go back to the video. Go back to the video.

It's so funny with his fake, his fucking alligator tears he's working up right now. Crocodile. Crocodile tears? Is it alligator tears? America's alligator. Alex tears. Crocodile tears. Is it alligator tears? Alex tears. America's alligator. Alex tears. Alex gator tears. But they can break anybody.

Fox News has it live, MSNBC. Oh, and I'm going to try to cover some of this news, but I'm not being a drama queen here. Oh, I think you are. Oh, no, no, no. being a drama queen here. Oh, I think you are. Oh, no, no, no. Being a drama queen with the drama and also the reference to my best girlfriend.

Do you remember when the stooges used to snore? They'd be like... That's what he sounds like to me. He sounds like a stooge snoring. Or a little bit like Beaker. I was basically told by the democratic party and it wasn't even done officially they were just like you know stop supporting trump and wait hold on you were told officially by the democratic party to because he said it wasn't not unofficially i think that's right yeah it wasn't not unofficial i don I think that's right. Yeah, it wasn't not unofficial. I don't.

Hold on. I'm going to need a few minutes with that. I don't know. Maybe I wasn't. Not so it was. I thought he said something. Not. But so they sent you an official letterhead.

Just the words. Dear Alex Jones. Stop supporting Trump. Oh, hold on. We're getting a call. Oh, it's the Democratic Party on the phone. Oh, OK. They wanted us to stop supporting Alex Jones. Oh, it's the Democratic Party on the phone. Oh, okay. They wanted us to stop supporting Alex Jones, actually.

Oh, okay. Right, yeah. So weird. Stop making fun of Alex Jones snoring. It's the opposite of what my ex-wife says. She says, you know, oh, the system took the kids away from me. No, you got the kids back because of who I was part of the time.

Wait, who I was part of the time? Wait, can I have that whole thing over again about his ex-wife? Is he talking about... He's talking about the fact that, like, hiswife's ads on craigslist what's going on you know stop supporting trump and it's the opposite what my ex-wife says she says you know oh the system took the kids away from me no you got the kids back because who i was part of the time and then they sit there and they're like, you know, if you just turn against Trump,

things will be better. But he was doing. What did the ex-wife anecdote have to do with this? I don't know exactly. I don't even understand the anecdote. I'm not sure what happened in that story. He really did veer off just to tell you that his wife stole his kids from him. I know.

Who he was part of the time. I love the idea. It's like, look, I'm not a rapist all the time. I sleep sometimes. I have to eat. And's like, look, I'm not a rapist all the time. I sleep sometimes. I have to eat. And I don't like getting judged. I have to walk the dog. Other stuff I have to do.

I mean, there's a refractory period. Doing good. And that which makes it so bad. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let's rewind a little. Because he sort of does that. He does the sad clown like, I'm the saddest clown in the world.

Give me a second. This is amazing. He's got the big sad. This is amazing. And they're like, you know, if you just turn against Trump, things will be better. But he was doing good.

And that's what makes it so bad. That's what makes it so bad. That's what makes it so bad. It makes it so bad. Next, we're going to hear from our sadness correspondent, Eeyore. He's going to tell us about the little black rain cloud. He's so sad. Even though I know it's fake It's still good

That's what I tell my wife Look at his shitty face Purse up like a puckered asshole Look at his face Oh and that's what makes it so bad He'd have been a piece of crap From the beginning It would be so bad

I want to stand up and do a dance If it would have been a piece of crap from the beginning, it would be so bad. I want to stand up and do a dance. If it would have been a piece of crap from the beginning. If it would have been bad from the beginning. She used to be nice to me and now she's mean to me. I feel like my heart doesn't feel like the way I want it to feel. I'm so sad. It's amazing. But we made so many sacrifices.

Now he's crapping all over us. It makes me sick. Oh, see, now he's angry. No, he's shifted gears. Now he's angry. He got mad. The roids kicked in. The Hulk was sad

and now the Hulk is mad. Hulk's emotions make Hulk confused. Hulk on a emotional rollercoaster. So you think it's over for Trump? What do you mean it's over for Trump? What the fuck does that mean? Is he still in office? Is he going to have a

grabber next week? Maybe. It's possible. Maybe, but it's not over for him. What does that even mean? I love the idea. It's like, without Alex Jones' support, Trump is done for. Trump is like, oh my God, did I make him cry? I can't believe I made him cry. I feel so bad I made him cry.

Oh. You know, if Trump called him next week, he'd be kissing his ass. He would suck his dick on his show right now. Absolutely, yeah. He'd lift up that belly just to find it. And rest it on his head. Just to find it. Just go ahead and put this up here.

It's drooping down, covering his ears. I just, I got to put your belly on my head and push back. It's like an orca earmuffs that he's got on. They're just pressing up against the side of his face. I got to purse my lips real hard. Push back the man, Fupa. He's not a Russian agent. Those damn casinos

and all of it. Of course, there's something there. They're still going to try to teach and run that and have it perfect. I love it. This is what he's just like. All right, he's dirty.

You know, I was hoping that nobody would care. Nobody can run that and have it just be perfect. Now that he launched missiles in Syria, they're going to find out he's corrupt with the Russians.

What the fucking what? The nature of it. So we let Mueller and these ass fuckers. What? Ass clowns. Find out the truth. Ass. Ass men.

It's on a license plate. People. Ass people. They're ass people. Let's do it one with that. Ass men. It's on a license plate. People. Ass people. Ass people. They're ass people. Let's do it one more time. So we let Mueller and these ass people crawl up his rear end and do this. So I guess we. Well, I guess if you're an ass person, where else would you go?

You got to crawl up somebody's rear end. I feel like if you're an ass person who crawls up people's rear end, you're just a proctologist. You don't like. It would be a really weird business card. Ass people go in, but they don't check out. Go ahead and call the ass people about that. Megan Pollops, can you call the ass people? Hemorrhoid is gonna...

Call the ass people. Honey, get the ass people on the phone. The ones that crawl up your ass. Let this happen. We let them do this. The Republicans let them do this. I'm not defending Trump, but you know what? We let this happen, Owen. No, the American people let this happen when they let Mueller run rogue for a year and a half. Run rogue? It's an investigation. He's looking. Look, the thing is, if he investigates and then

he doesn't find anything, then he didn't find anything from the investigation. If you investigated me for Russian corruption, Cecil, you could look at everything I've ever written ever in all the history of time. You would find no Russian corruption. Without answering to anybody with the full force and will of the government behind him.

That's because he works for the government. He's Mueller. Of course he has the fuel, the full force of the government behind him. The government is Republicans. Did we miss that part? I know. We got to say it out loud. The government is a bunch of Republicans.

You're like, oh, the Republicans are really under attack by themselves. Fuck. What? It's like jerking off and calling it rape. You know? Like you don't get to do like, oh, I didn't consent. What the fuck? Oh, I fucking Me Too'd myself.

Are you kidding me? The World like, I didn't consent. What the fuck? Oh, I got it. I fucking me too. And myself, are you kidding me? The word wall three is a goddamn Russian. I'm not a fricking Russian man. I want freedom. He's going to paint his face blue and get his guts. They're not going to stop coming after Trump. So, so even though he,

no, they will, they'll stop. They find things and then they arrest him or he dies. Trump. So even though he... Well, no, they will. They'll stop once they find things and then they arrest him for it. Or he dies. Right. Which is soon.

There's only a handful of... I don't want to kill him. I don't want to kill... Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying kill him. I'm saying he's going to kill himself by eating cheeseburgers. That is the American way, my friend.

That's the way he dies. That's the way he dies. Yeah. On his grave, it'll just say, I had it my way. Yeah, his headstone just has his cheeseburger order. It just says, yes.

If you nuke Russia, they're not going to stop. There's never enough unless we put dirtbag Hillary in and worship that ugly goddamn piece of... Well, you don't want to swear? He caught himself. He caught himself. Well, why there? That's the part that baffles me.

I'm going to call her an ugly goddamn piece of... But hold on. I don't want to be... That's a lady. I have to treat... You cannot disparage that cunt in front of me. That's what you can't. He's just staring at him.

Can we pause for a second? Alex Jones stares into your soul at 230 of this video. Can I ask the obvious question? Why does Alex Jones have a into your soul at 2.30 of this video. Can I ask the obvious question? Why does Alex Jones have a vampire on the next to him? Like his correspondence. Is he sparkling? It is. That guy has never even seen a window.

That guy is team Edward. That's all I'm saying. I've never seen anyone so pale. And I'm this pale. He's just, nothing's happening. This is not paused audio. They both just were like, fuck. so we're joined by a portion of the waiting for wrath podcasts right now not the entire crew it's not like the entire thrill kill cult 47 of them. Just the handsome ones.

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We pay for all of the little things that insurance and other assistance programs don't cover. So, you know... Like deductibles? Yeah. At times, yeah. Co-pays, rent, electric bills. Oh, right oh my god i'm i feel so sad that i'm right about that that joke shouldn't be possible america is broken in oh so many ways i thought i was winning um

man move my happy ass back to canada um jesus man that's hold on a minute that's that's kind of amazing because you know we filling in the gaps when people get sick um is just i mean it is incredibly important and something people don't think about they we we think about i think you know think about like i've got insurance i'm okay and it's like yeah you got insurance you're you're maybe not a hundred percent it's not. But there are so many gaps that still need to be filled if somebody gets really sick. You know, like you said, like it's the rent, it's childcare. Like think about all the expenses that are associated with just being, I don't know, think about it. You guys fucking do it. But I think it's amazing work because those gaps are

the difference between fucking poverty and, you know, being able to focus on getting well without, you know, the added stress of financial destruction. And how many people are wind up with because of this wind up even with insurance, wind up medically bankrupt. That happens all the time. It happens constantly. Yeah. Most of them don't have a whole lot of spending money, period. Most of them don't have a whole lot of spending money, period. Even if you've got access to insurance and funds like Ryan White funds and things like that from a state program.

Healthcare in Wyoming is particularly rough because we often have to drive. Well, yeah. I mean, there's only so much that Burning Sage can do. I've got to go see a horse doctor. I ain't never worked on no person before. Oh my God, the veterinarian's busy. What do we do? This one's got two legs. I don't know what to do.

Which one's his hoof? Is he birthing a foal? That's not... If you say he, that's not... Fuck. That's a whole different set of disorders. You're fired. Yeah, no, we live in the middle of

goddamn nowhere, so if you have to get dental care, it can mean driving for an hour and a half, like on the interstate, an hour and a half. Jesus Christ! You gotta get hella lifted to get a cavity filled. Are you kidding me?

The benefits of being on the interstate here in Wyoming is they let us go 80 in most places because there's nothing from here for at least 45 fucking miles. Pro tip, you could go 160. There's no one there. It's like they let us. There's no they, guys. You're they. We've only got like 60 highway patrol officers for the entire state so you just have to dodge

them are you kidding me wait a minute there's 60 for the I would just be jerking off the whole time if I was like whatever no one's paying attention I'm gonna sit I'm gonna fucking jerk off for eight hours and go home is that not why you have an automatic transmission hashtag winnings why i have cruise control

like they said i could drive stick it was not the thing that they said it was one of these things is not like the other the other's a penis um yeah so um so one of the things we can cover is all of that gas because goddamn with the driving. It occurred to me that I should probably have to specify on the highway because when you guys drive for an hour and a half, you get like three blocks down the road. Three? That's generous. Well, I mean, I just assume part of it's on the sidewalk but for example i live 16 blocks from our studio in downtown and i sometimes can get here in 45 or 50 minutes holy fuck

i have a five minute commute from my office i i live on the other side of town from work and it's about five miles for me to drive into work. I get grumbly when I have a rush hour and it takes me a whole 10 minutes to get to work. It pisses me off. Stuck behind a buggy, man. That shit takes forever. I seriously like if I have a morning meeting in the city,

I live about 35 miles out of the city center. If I have a meeting in the city in the morning, I'll stay overnight the night before because that 35 mile drive can easily take three hours. That's not that it can easily take three hours. Yeah. Yeah. No,

you're right. You're right. But you would spend, I think more gas here. If you had to go 90 miles out here, you'd never arrive. I don't think anyone's ever driven 90 miles from Chicago. You never arrive. I don't think anyone's ever driven 90 miles from Chicago. You can't do it.

It's like a black hole. You just keep getting, every time I leave, they suck me back. Like 89 miles. Just loop back to mile one. Like, fuck,

what's happening? That's getting way too close to Iowa, isn't it? That's yeah. So you plan to just have your kids arrive in your stead. That's now I want to ask, um, is it, you know, Iowa, isn't it? That's what you plan to just have your kids arrive in your stead. Now, I want to ask, years ago, AIDS treatments, they were pretty extensive.

They've cut down a lot on that, haven't they? There's been a lot of progress in that. We've been very lucky that this is something that research money has continued to go to. And so the medications are better. The treatments are better. We know so much more about how the virus works. We now have preventive treatments like PrEP that you can take that will help avoid transmission. We know more that...

Wait, can I interrupt? Because I don't know. I've never heard of that. So what is that? PrEP is pre-exposure prophylaxis. And doesn't that sound much fancier than it really is? What PrEP is, is it's some of the same drugs that you take once you have, they're antiretrovirals. So it's some of the same drugs that you take if you're HIV positive. And we've learned that if you take them before being exposed to the virus, that it can actually be up to

99% effective in preventing transmission. Okay, I have a really dumb follow-up question. I know this is a dumb follow-up question, but like, why wouldn't we all just take that then? America. Is that the reason?

Well, I mean... Kind of. Drug companies? Are there a lot of side effects, I guess? I mean, because if it's 99% effective, my math says that's very effective. And then nobody would get HIV anymore and then we'd be done with that now. Right?

You would think that it would be that simple. Unfortunately, getting the money from government programs to cover that for everybody. Insurance covers it in some places. There's a whole lot of social reasons and stigma associated with it. People think that if you're on PrEP that you're irresponsible, that you just want to have all the sex with none of the responsibility. sex with none of the responsibility well yeah but hold on a minute like who wouldn't want that like i'm not joking around but i'm also not like if we could all have sex without responsibility if if i could take a pill called i can fuck without responsibility i would always take that pill there's never gonna be like we should make that pill we should be if that's five pills we should make that fucking five pills whatever because like we don't handle the responsibility of sex socially very well yeah like people are

getting pregnant that don't want to get pregnant people are getting diseases i don't think anyone wants diseases like i don't understand that wait for it i've never understood that argument like well you got to bear the responsibility well yeah until science tells me I don't have to anymore. Like the responsibility around sex is not a moral good. It's just a pain in the ass that we can fix with technology. Also, you can fix that pain in the ass. With a little prep,

you shouldn't have one. If you're doing it right. One of the problems is that it isn't like the HPV vaccine or something like that, which still doesn't fucking get applied. It's a daily pill, basically forever. It's like birth control, which I guess we also have plenty of people doing every shit. I shot myself in the foot.

That is part of the problem. For some folks, it's hard to comply with a regimen like that. And this drug actually has more of what they call forgiveness than some others. They kind of estimate that if you were to take it at least four times a week, that you'd still get the benefit and you'd still be pretty well protected. For insurance and liability purposes, they still say you got to take it seven days a week. This should be in PEZ dispensers. Yes. It does not. And this is an important distinction.

It does not protect you from other sexually transmitted infections. Well, we need this for the other ones, though. Right? Just wake up every morning and eat some fucking don't give me disease-ios. That would be. Who wouldn't eat that?

That would be true. I would eat a big bowl of breakfast every morning. Followed, you know, we drag queens off and talk about, oh, just go eat a bowl of dicks. Just have that for breakfast. Some rice dickios or whatever. Bring it on. Dickios. Snap rice dickios or whatever. Bring it on. Snap, crackle, pop. Snap, crackle, cock

is the way that works. I got to ask, is there still because I think there probably is still a stigma attached to AIDS that it still is a gay disease. I know that when I hear the religious talk about it on our show, we hear it constantly

as if it's only afflicting gay people or it's sort of a gay plague. Whereas you can get it from heterosexual sex, you get it from intravenous drugs and things like that. You get it because mom had sex and made born you.

So there's a lot of ways. But is there still that stigma? There is still a lot of stigma, not just about it being a gay disease, but just a lot of stigma in general. People are considered dirty and less than human are the way they're treated sometimes. In a lot of places, it's still legal to fire someone. AIDS is something that's covered under the ADA so that once you have HIV or AIDS, you should have some legal protection.

But that means you have the resources to fight that. You can go get an attorney or that you have the time or energy to deal with that rather than going and finding a job so that you can pay for your rent and your medication. And your insurance, which doesn't cover nearly enough. Yeah. There's a lot of it that becomes a vicious cycle and even just just people um you know we've had folks who have been run out of town essentially because um you know it's the past in wyoming and they still run people out of town welcome to welcome to wyoming don't forget to set your clock back 25 years. So how much money do you normally raise with this? What's been your goals in the past?

Well, last year we raised $22,000 at Drag Queen Bingo in one night. Since we began, we've raised over $200,000 with Wyoming AIDS Walk and Drag Queen Bingo. Since 2001, we've raised over $200,000. And we're really proud of that because we're doing that one day a year. It's kind of how we're raising a lot of that. It's all volunteer. We try to get as much of the cost covered as we can. We've been getting state grants the last couple of years again to help offset the cost. So almost every single penny that we raise through Bingo goes to direct client

assistance. There's no administrative overhead. Our staff doesn't get paid. I pay to be a drag queen. Oh, do I pay. I've pre-shaved already. You know, it's a week out. I have stubble in places. Nobody should have stubble. Caliente.

So I got to ask, if somebody's going to donate, like listening to our show, would they be able to do that? Like online, is there a way to donate? We would love that. And in fact, I'm sitting with the most fabulous webmaster we've ever had and the only one.

Aaron volunteers and donates all of his web services for us. We've got a wonderful website at yoaids.org. There you can make direct donations as little as $5. It can be a one-time donation, a recurring donation

every month or so if you want. That's fantastic. We've got a shop with some merchandise with our little cartoon drag queens and our logos and things where you can get my cartoon drag queen face on a coffee mug because everybody needs that shit at 7 o'clock in the morning.

That is awesome. It's great. You can donate any amount, really. And that is at wyoades.org. It's super fun. And we're hoping to kind of raise some reoccurring funds so that our whole program doesn't hinge on one

event. Well, Tom and I are going to donate $500 to this cause tonight. So we're going to put in $500 to kick it off for you guys. Hopefully the listeners can, can follow up. This is a great cause. We hope you guys,

you, we, we exceed your goal from last year and, and, and hit your 25,000 mark this year. That, that is the goal this year. Indeed.

So thank you so much. Yeah. It sounds like an amazing cause. I mean, this is work that needs to be done. Yeah. And, and,

and after it's all over, send us a message and let us know how you did. We will. I don't know what you were talking about, Aaron. They're only half assholes. Right under the bus. So that's me.

They shouldn't talk about you. He just said he was going to get $500. You guys are breaking up. I'm sorry. Cecil asked, he said, can we give him $500? I said, we can give him $5. That sounds fine. I didn't give him the $100 part. Ground control to Major Tom. Once you do that, you know, real world

Wyoming currency conversion, all bets are off. Gentlemen, if people were going to find your podcast, where would they look? You would look at waiting for wrath dot com or just you know google waiting for wrath

and any of the pod services you'll find us making terrible jokes and drinking too much that's our shtick yeah we're clever like

that that's all I pay in this five hundred dollars gentlemen thanks so much for joining us and good luck with this charity

thank you so much we appreciate it thank you so much for joining us and good luck with this charity thank you so much we appreciate it thank you so much so we would normally end with tom and i maybe do an email or something but we wound up uh recording two shows in a row because tom uh when this releases, wide release, Tom will have been married for three days. Tom's getting married this weekend. So we wound up recording two shows in a row. We're really excited about next week. Next week, we have No Illusions in studio the entire episode.

It was a lot of fun to record. We had a great time. That's gonna release next Monday. But for this week, we forgot to record sort of the end segment where we wrap up the show because we were trying to record two shows at the same time and Noah was in studio and we wanted to go out and have a drink afterwards. So there was all kinds of, you know, rushing to try to make sure we had everything ready and we actually didn't have everything ready. So that's why I'm recording this solo right now on a totally different

microphone. So we want to thank the guys from Waiting for Wrath, Jim and Aaron, for joining us. You can donate to that charity at wyoaids.org. We hope everybody can give a little to help out this charity. We really feel like it's a really good cause. Check out waiting for wrath podcast. You can go to waiting for wrath.com. It's the number four. So waiting for wrath.com. I want to thank Jim and Aaron for joining us.

They were a lot of fun to talk to really funny guys and their podcast is really great. Um, so, uh, next week, uh, like I said, we're going to have Noah on and it's a lot of fun. So check us out next week. Um, but we're going to leave you like we always do with the skeptics. Creed credulity is not a virtue. It's fortune cookie cutter. Mommy issue. Hypno Babylon.

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