Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 429: Citizen’s Arrest
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Hey, Tom and Cecil, love the show.
Just calling to say, at the end of the Puzzle in the Thunderstorm episode we had Keith and Eli on,
we talked about a crazy video with priests smashing coconuts.
I haven't watched it yet.
But the first thing that comes to mind are Shaivite Hindus, man,
because they believe that the ego is something to be smashed open.
Shaivite Hindus, man, because they believe that the ego is something to be smashed open.
And so it's this whole ego dissolution thing where they use the imagery of a coconut. I just know that's from one of the many, you know, thousands of books that are in Hindu mythology.
So I'm just guessing right off the bat.
If you see an Indian guy smashing coconuts on people's heads, It has something to do with Hindu mythology
and also you can achieve
the same effect with LSD.
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I'm a little upset right now.
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So we're going to rent a van?
We haven't hit that
patron goal, Tom.
Get the van together?
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But it's all the same
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Thank goodness
because I would not want
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that motherfucker right off a cliff. But yeah, keep your eyes. But it's all the same. Thank goodness, because I would not want to do that. Thelma Louise, that motherfucker, right off a cliff.
But yeah, keep your eyes open.
And there's a chance before the end of the year,
we'll be announcing that we'll be doing another show.
So we can't miss this story.
This is the story in our community, right?
Yeah, this is the biggest story.
This is the whole thing.
This particular article is from the New York Times.
But I will say that I read maybe four or five articles about this story this week.
Ty, just briefly go through and tell the audience the story that you had talked about where they were sort of, I don't know, like fucking tagging kids like fucking the predator coming down from the...
You're not even wrong not even like it's like
i mean like seriously like they're in a tree they're completely fucking they're invisible
and just they're putting like yeah like just and you know like like the poor kid is on the
playground and he sees the three three dots and he's like i don't want to get fucked again
god damn it.
I hate when the sex predator shows up.
But seriously, though, that is like the stuff you were telling me.
I was just like, I can't believe that not only they got away with it, but the stuff that they were doing.
So we're talking about the grand jury indictment and the scandal that's broken in Pennsylvania.
You've got over a thousand credible people.
Not instances like
where one person was molested
a hundred times, ten people. We're talking about
a thousand victims.
Hundreds of priests.
301 was the total number,
I think.
And a massive conspiracy
to cover this shit up. And one of the articles
I read is a Washington Post article described just how detailed like this was. Like the priests,
like these pedophile priests, they knew each other and they kind of had a system worked out.
So if they knew that they had marked one of these kids as
a victim for their abuse and they'd kind of
gone through and groomed this person already,
they would give that kid
a gift. And the gift was often a
gold cross necklace. The kid would
wear it. And then the
like their horrifying
buddy priest
would be like, oh, that kid's already been
groomed. I don't have to use as much lube. Yeah, right. Yeah. It's already broken in that kid's already been groomed or what have you.
I don't have to use as much lube.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, it's already broken in.
It's already broken in.
You don't want to get blisters.
Yeah.
It's like you get a new pair of shoes
and you're like,
I got to walk around the house
for like three days in these things.
You know they're not going to cry
as much the second time.
Oh, God.
So.
It is horrible.
It's just fucking horrible, man. It's just a nightmare.
So this story that we're going to talk about specifically from the New York Times.
And we'll talk about this one because it lays out the findings of the grand jury.
Pennsylvania grand jury says church had a quote playbook for concealing the truth.
Yeah.
I want to go through Tom and read what the grand jury talks about here.
And we'll I'm going to read each one and then we'll talk about each point.
So it says first,
uh,
this is talking about what the priest had to do,
what the priest did to these children,
how they,
how they,
how they were able to continue this entire thing for many,
many years.
First,
make sure to use euphemisms rather than real words to describe sexual
assaults and diocese documents.
Never say rape,
say inappropriate contact or boundary issues.
Boundary issues.
What are they?
A fucking tennis court?
It's all out of bounds.
It's all out of bounds.
That's a child.
The whole anus,
your area.
What are you calling over a line judge jesus christ
are you kidding me boundary issues is like oh man that guy's a close talker or like you know what
maybe don't send me 12 text messages before noon that's a boundary issue boundary issue is not a
raped an altar boy are you kidding me yeah what Yeah. What do you say? They say, they say,
never say rape,
say inappropriate contact.
Yeah.
Just say happy,
fun time,
raping times or something.
Like,
what are you talking about?
Like,
it's not Chuck E. Cheese.
I actually also,
I do feel like that word needs to be used.
Yeah.
Much,
much more.
Like,
I think we have kind of this cautionary language where like,
I was molested or that. Yeah. language where like, I was molested.
I'll be honest.
I know that that's a broader term that encompasses a variety of sexual acts that range in detail.
And we consider rape a certain thing sometimes.
But when it's rape, we need to use that word because that's in a fucking holy shit.
That got my fucking attention word. Yeah. You know, and we need to use the harshest possible language when we're describing the
evil of other people inflicted upon children.
We do that.
We do that with other things.
We need to start doing it with this.
Yeah.
I mean,
you need to start doing it with this in particular.
Second one is second.
Don't conduct genuine investigations with properly trained personnel.
Instead,
assign fellow clergy members
to ask inadequate questions,
inadequate questions,
and then make credibility determinations
about the colleagues
with whom they live and work.
Yeah, this is like,
I mean, Fox Henhouse shit.
Yeah, exactly.
And then putting that burden on someone who you
live with. Right. Right. So, you know, of course you're not going to say that, you know, bill raped
a kid. You'd be like, ah, maybe, you know, maybe he got a little handsy, but whatever, but you're
going to try, you got to live with this guy. This is the same problem of the police investigating
the police. Exactly. Right. Yep. You know, like you can't, you can't like look around and be like,
the police. Exactly. Right. Yep. You know, like you can't, you can't like look around and be like,
well, I'm going to decide if I was wrong when I got in that fight with my spouse. And I'll determine that by deciding if I was wrong. You know, like that's not how this works.
You know what, honey, I'm going to try to decide whether or not that fight we got in was,
was right or wrong. Let's do this trial by combat.
or wrong, let's do this trial by combat. Yeah.
The third one is, for an appearance
of integrity, send priests
for, quote, evaluation,
end quote, at church-run
psychiatric treatment centers.
Allow these experts to
diagnose whether the priest was a pedophile
based largely on
the priest's, quote, self-reports.
And regardless of whether the priest had actually engaged in sexual contact with a child if you've ever engaged in sexual contact
with a child you're a pedophile yeah like it does not matter what the other things about you are
like it like that's just now the thing right like that's that's that thing and then there might be
other things about you you know you might also be a philanthropist,
but you're still a fucking pedophile
when you fuck children.
You're 100% of the time forever a pedophile.
That's how that works.
And we don't do this with any other psychiatric stuff.
Like, we're just like some guy in like a duck outfit
with maple syrup in his hair.
He's just quacking in a circle.
And you're just like, how you feeling, buddy?
You okay? He's like, yep-ers!
Quacky, quacky, quacky!
And you're just like, no, we don't let
you evaluate yourself there, Captain
Quackers. We have someone else on staff.
They do that work!
That's kind of their job
to do that work.
It's also like,
we're sending them,
they clearly determined that none of these people
were pedophiles.
If 301 priests,
they send at least some of them
to this treatment center
to evaluate it.
Well, if they had come back with,
well, yeah, actually,
turns out George is really a pedophile.
George is.
They didn't do anything with it.
Yeah.
So what was the point
of doing it anyway?
It is a fruitless fucking exercise.
They did it so that they can point to it later and say, hey, we tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas.
Right, yeah.
Fourth, when a priest does have to be removed, don't say why.
Tell his parishioners that he is on, quote, sick leave or suffering from nervous exhaustion or saying nothing at all.
Nervous exhaustion
from the toils of being a pampered priest.
Yeah, nervous exhaustion
from all the kid fucking.
Come on.
God, these kids are going to
groom themselves for this assault.
Jesus, I'm so tired.
There's so many of them.
I can't even get through
half of the litter.
I'm in an Irish province here.
All these kids.
Fifth,
even if a priest is
raping children, keep
providing him housing
and living expenses,
although he may be using these resources
to facilitate more
sexual assault. Hey, Father Jim,
why is there a bouncy house
in the yard?
Why you got that out there?
Why is there a whole table
full of pizza
and Snickers?
You have a lot of swing sets.
You just,
I just,
I don't know why one man
needs a swing set.
And a swing set indoor.
And you have like 30 onesies.
Why is that?
Well, anyway,
here's your stipend.
Yeah, here's your stipend.
Right.
Even though you've been fucking,
even though they've,
like,
they find out. Like, could you imagine going to. Right. Even though you've been fucking, even though they've, like, they find out.
Like, could you imagine
going to work
and they found out
that you're raping kids
at your work?
Jesus Christ.
And they're like,
hey, Tom,
we're just gonna,
you know,
we're gonna keep paying you
all the money that we had
indefinitely.
We just,
we're just gonna take you
out of the,
you know,
the ball pen,
the ball pen or whatever.
I don't have to go to work. What do they call it? The ball pit? The ball pit where the, you know, the ball pen, the ball pen or whatever. What is that? What do they call it?
The ball pit, the ball pit.
We're just going to exactly
right. Now you can focus more
on kid fuck. I have more time in
my day before I couldn't
get through the whole litter of them.
Now, yeah, geez, now I don't have to write any
of these fucking homilies. It's like, Jesus,
you got this priest. He's like
exhausted sweats, like pouring from his head. He's like in mid thrust. He's like, Jesus. You got this priest, he's like exhausted, sweats like pouring from his head.
He's like in mid thrust.
He's like,
ah,
there's gotta be a better way.
You know,
he's trying to like
finish his sermon.
Trying to set it
and forget it.
Sixth,
if a predator's conduct,
a predator,
conduct becomes known
to the community,
don't remove him
from the priesthood
to ensure that
no more children
shall be victimized.
Instead, transform to a new location
where no one will know
he's a child abuser.
So that's, we saw that video a while back.
We've talked about this multiple times.
That guy went to Chile, yeah.
Yeah, he went to like different places
like Argentina or Chile.
Yeah.
And like, you know,
they're brown kids so nobody cares.
And so he went down there to go.
And he, I mean, like there's video
of him like ruffling their hair and like cuddling with them and stuff.
And you're just like, this is gross.
This is the worst.
But he's, and he's a guy who got forced out up here.
And then.
And then just went down there and been like, oh, great.
I still got two hands.
Well, this like, this like bounce everybody around shit was going on for decades.
Like literal decades.
And it wasn't a secret.
And it wasn't a secret. No, this was a strategy.
That's the thing is that the important thing to notice is like, these are actual strategies
that the grand jury is pointing out that the church engaged in.
That's what they did.
And this is an active process of obfuscation in order to assist predators in raping children.
This is not about like, we wanted to avoid a scandal.
At some point, this really becomes,
what can we do to facilitate more abuse?
No, absolutely.
How can we make this happen more?
It stopped being sweep it under the rug,
and it started being,
let's get the end table out and display it.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
This is the last one.
Finally, and above all, don't tell the police.
Child sexual abuse,
even short of actual penetration,
is and has for all relevant times
been a crime,
but don't treat it that way.
Handle it like a personal matter in-house.
And that's what the,
I mean, that's an encapsulation
of the final piece there
is when you said, when it stops being know, it's not about the kids.
It's not about the kids, right?
It's not about the kids.
This is protecting their own.
It is.
This is thin blue line shit.
This is the same shit.
Absolutely.
But, like, I really, like, you look at this and none of it is surprising, right?
Because it just keeps fucking happening.
And the stories you've heard, everybody's heard for decades we've heard these stories.
People have been making priest fuck kids jokes since I was a boy.
Right.
You know what I mean?
So I know that this stuff's been out.
And this has been going on.
This particular investigation goes back 70 years.
And there's some shit about this I want to throw in
And we'll talk about a few other things
One of the most awful things
Is okay well they uncovered it
And then almost none of these people can be prosecuted
Because the statute of limitations is up
So fucking nothing's going to happen to these people
There's no consequences
And like
At some point
And I think we're fucking well past that point, is the Catholic Church not a criminal organization?
Yeah.
Does the Catholic Church itself, should the Catholic Church not be investigated under something similar to RICO?
Right.
And should it not be seen as a criminal organization?
That's a great point.
That's a great point.
I don't know how that's not the case.
I don't know how it's not the case either.
And I know that a while back there's been arguments on the one side
about the good that the Catholic Church does in the world.
And I'm not going to say
that the Catholic Church doesn't do good,
but I do think that this outweighs it.
I think that the amount of horror
that some of these people have gone through
for their whole lives,
you're talking 70 year investigation.
There's plenty of people that are at this point elderly
that had to live with this abuse for their entire life.
They had to live with,
you know,
the abuse of someone touching them for them feeling worthless and all the
baggage that comes with all the authority.
Yeah.
The trauma,
the trust,
everything that goes with that.
They had to deal with that for their whole life.
The horror of that,
you know,
and you and I were on the side that's like, you don't get
anything else. This is the
entirety of existence.
So if you make this one
miserable, well,
the whole thing was miserable. That's it.
I guess. Cool.
I guess we don't do anything else then.
We just be miserable our entire lives.
Like, that's a lot
of damage. It's a tremendous amount of damage, and it's systemically supported.
At what point are we—I don't know why we're not at that point.
At what point does the government not have a responsibility to say, look, we take down cults.
When cults engage in sexually violent behavior that damages their people. We have a thousand individuals
just in Pennsylvania
and there is literally
no reason to think
that that is not the case
in how many other states
we just haven't investigated.
We keep finding it again
and again and again and again.
It's because there's people
that are connected to it
and it's a large group of people
that are connected to it
and they're going to get away with it.
And that's the thing
that makes me crazy is like,
but here's my other question,
man,
who in good faith could possibly join and not,
not,
not be in because you are who in this,
at this point in good faith could look at this organization and join it.
Yeah.
And I,
I asked that really like with an,
with an open mind,
like,
is there any way to look at the Catholic Church and the horrors that they continue
to support? Sure. Because they support
these horrors. Sure.
And join that church.
Become a believer.
Take the sacraments. Do the tests.
Right. To become that part.
How do you join this organization? How do you
tithe into it? I don't know. You know?
How do you pay them money?
Because when you pay them money, you're supporting
that priest to sit on his ass and wait for
the kids to get out of school. Right.
That's literally some portion, some tiny
portion of your money is going to help
rape a kid. Yeah. I mean, like,
how much would you pay?
You know? Right. How much would you pay? How much
are you willing to pay? And, you know, like,
even if it's just the
tiniest percentage of the penny. Doesn't
matter. Still helped. But like,
and I know the Catholic Church is continuing
to decline in relevance in the United States
and they have to move further and further afield
into South America and what have you.
They're going on developing countries.
In order to maintain some level
of social and religious relevance.
Because like, we've
decided for the most part
that like Catholicism
is kind of fading.
You know, it's not like
it used to be
in the 60s and 70s,
you know, where it's like...
Where one of your kids
was going to be a priest.
Right, exactly.
Where that was something
where you'd be like,
I'm so proud that Jimmy
decided to become a priest.
You know, that world
is fucking gone.
And it's never coming back.
And that's great.
But like, holy shit.
Who's joining this organization? Yeahophiles yeah and you know one of the things that you pointed out too
why is there and i'm sure someone in the audience knows this and i'm curious why there isn't a
statute of limitations on pedophilia like why is why do we have some sort of arbitrary time length where that doesn't matter anymore?
I'm just curious.
I understand some of the other crimes, why that might be.
Yeah, but I don't understand why that one.
Well, and I do know that there's been cases where certain states have said we want to eliminate or extend it.
And the Catholic Church is the primary guy that's like, no, I don't like that.
You look at this and it's like, well, of course you don't want it. Of course you
don't want it because your fucking asshole priests are
going to go to prison and they're all going to get their asses
sued off and you guys are going to be out
of money and your assholes are going to go to prison
and you guys are all complicit.
301 people.
How many people have to support
that 301? How many people knew
and didn't say something?
Abortions for all.
Very well. No abortions for anyone.
Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.
So this comes from TellUsSirTV.net.
Argentina, after abortion vote,
thousands renounce Catholic Church membership.
And I read another story
that said that after the
Argentinian vote banning
abortion, which is largely supported
by the Catholic Church,
the first woman
has credibly died
as a result of that from an illegal abortion
she sought to obtain. So we're already one in. We're already one in there. I saw this,
but the renunciation of this gave me a lot of heart. It really did. Because as we talked about,
the Catholic Church has been moving into South America and has been really targeting different population centers to spread its fucking message.
And I love that they, you know, they lost in Ireland.
Yeah.
Right.
They pull this bullshit in Argentina and Argentinians like, yeah, fuck you.
We don't need you here.
We don't need you here.
like, yeah, fuck you. We don't need you here.
We don't need you here.
Increasingly, these archaic worldviews,
you know, where these fucking
celebrated douchebags wearing a bunch of
fucking bathrobes walking around swinging
their incense platters or whatever,
telling you about how you can get to God.
All of this is going to seem
increasingly bizarre and
archaic and silly and
irrelevant to how we really live.
Sure.
They will put themselves out of business.
What I hope,
what I love about this is the more people that renounce it,
the less I'm going to call it lobbying dollars they have.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like the,
the less in their coffers,
the less chance they have to influence public policy,
which is a good thing, right?
So these people leaving, they suddenly see,
no, the Catholic Church is part of influencing this public policy
in a way that I'm not comfortable with.
Fine, we'll just leave.
That entity is going to dry up eventually.
And when it does, those lobbying dollars disappear.
And suddenly, now you have a lot better discourse about these particular
issues than when you just have some weird guy saying,
Hey,
I came in my bathrobes.
I just wanted to let you know the moment that fucking a sperm fertilizes
an egg.
It's a thing.
It's a human being.
It's a fully actualized graduating class human being,
which they don't even have to worry about because they're so busy fucking
little kids. They're never going fucking little kids' assholes.
They're never going to impregnate anybody.
You know,
those of us who have sex with women,
we want our options open.
Jesus Christ.
Those poor kids.
It's a theoretical kid for the joke.
It is.
It's actual kids in practice.
They're fucking kids.
They are.
So this story is from Right Wing Watch.
Unite the Right 2.
This time it's personal.
Unite the Right 2, Electric Boogaloo.
What other?
Hey, listeners, tweet us your Unite the Right 2 sequel.
Yeah, the sequel tagline.
The sequel tagline.
We need to know what Unite the Right 2 is,
and we'll tell everybody what our favorite was.
Either tweet at us, or you can go to...
We have a group on Facebook now.
We posted about it a couple weeks ago.
You can scroll down on Facebook and find it.
But it's a group.
Instead of just being part of a page,
you can go to a Facebook group,
and you can post it in there.
But whatever you unite...
That's a great idea, Tom.
Unite the right to
what's your tagline?
Winner gets a t-shirt. Winner gets a t-shirt.
Sounds great. Winner gets a t-shirt.
Alright, so private, unite the right
to private train car police
escort for 20 racist extremists.
Now, the article
that Haley read to me in the car the other day
said there were like 30 something.
Regardless, there was like not something. Yeah. Regardless.
20 or 30. Not a lot
of these fucking dickheads. Yeah.
So Unite the Right 2 could
not take place in Charlottesville because Charlottesville
is like a hard pass.
I listen to the Daily.
It's a New York Times podcast.
And they were talking about
the Charlottesville stuff.
That's a hard listen. It'sesville stuff, that's a hard listen.
Like, it's been a year,
and it's a hard listen, man.
There's people, like, crying and talking about,
like, there was somebody who died,
got killed by the car down there.
And, like, just listening to that
and listening to, like, their take on it
and then these people's take on it,
it's, man, it's fucked up.
It's, I mean, it still shakes me to think about today.
Right.
Charlottesville last year.
There's a few things I want to talk to you about with respect to this.
Because I have some thoughts and some questions.
So good news is hardly anyone showed up.
And the other good news is I think the police response in Washington, D.C.
Which, come on, it's Washington, D.C.
They're no stranger to this.
They are the guys who know how to handle this shit, right?
So they put them on a separate train.
They made sure that they were basically segregated
from polite society.
They had a huge force, like police force,
that basically ringed them.
At one point, they tried to march through
some of the protesters that had closed off the park,
and the police couldn't do it.
And they just turned to the protesters,
the counter protesters.
They turned away from the counter protesters,
turned to the protesters
and this ain't happening.
We're going back the other way.
They didn't try.
Like they didn't like,
they weren't forcing the confrontation.
We gave up.
We gave up.
We saw that you guys have blocked this off.
There's nowhere to go.
We're tapping out.
Thousands of counter-protesters
against these Nazi fucks.
And that is how it always
should be. Absolutely. A lot of times
it is.
A lot of times it is.
I guess here are the things that I have
thought about.
I'm not 100% sure
where I'm at with this.
Last year, the Nazis were out in force, right?
There were a lot of these right-wing dickheads,
and they felt empowered,
and they felt comfortable being visible,
and they showed up, and they marched,
and we had Charlottesville.
We had that mess in Charlottesville.
Fast forward a year later, and
two, three dozen of these assholes are
willing to show up and put their face on it.
And most of them know
they're covered their face up.
They're willing to be.
Be in a place. And maybe put
their body at risk. Maybe.
And I think that
good. My first
thought is like, well, that's really, really good. And I'm very, like, good. You know, my first thought is like, well, that's really, really good.
And I'm very, very glad that, like, we have created that.
What we've talked about a hundred times on this show, that no quarter for racists.
Make racists be ashamed again.
Right.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
There should be no place where a racist feels comfortable being a racist.
feels comfortable being a racist.
Every place a racist goes,
if they are a known racist, they should be made to feel
deeply, deeply uncomfortable
and socially outcast.
The only place that they should feel comfortable
is in a place where no one else is.
Right.
Their own home.
But do you think there are less racists now
than there were a year ago?
I don't.
You know what I think happened?
I think they realized
that they were marching in the time
where everybody has a camera
and uncle, uncle Jed and aunt Jenny, they're going to see your racist ass standing with all the rest
of those fucking rednecks and your employer and your employer and your, you know, your ex-girlfriend
and the guy you went to high school with and all the people on Facebook, because all these people
know, I mean, the moment your face goes out there and they start amplifying the bandwidth, who is this guy?
Who is this guy?
They're going to know who you are.
They're going to find your face and they're going to find you.
And they're gonna be like, that's so-and-so.
And he lives in this town.
And then suddenly everybody knows that you're the racist.
You're the racist out there doing this.
Now, yeah, some of those people, those assholes got dressed up in body armor and you never
know who they are, Right. You never know. But I also feel like they saw what
happened last year. And I think that genuinely that, you know, taking pictures of racists and
letting people know who the racists are is not a bad thing. Right. I think it's great. I don't
think it's a bad thing at all. I think you're in a public place. Expect that other people would
expressing this view. Yeah. Expect that someone's going to take your photo
And so if you don't
If you don't really love those views
And like spend your life with a hundred
Neck tattoos
You're probably not going to
You know what I mean like unless you're
Unless you look like one of those crazy guys
From prison
Well you've gone to protests
And you would not feel uncomfortable at all if somebody was like,
somebody took my picture to the anti-Trump protest.
Yeah, I posted it to my own face. Totally there.
I had a sign. Yeah. Yeah. I had a
sign. You could do that. You could take a picture of me.
So I'm not sympathetic to it, like you. I'm not.
I'm not sympathetic at all. Not sympathetic at all.
So I think that's one major piece
of this puzzle.
I think, too, that
that, you know, there's and I want to roll something back that I said
recently. And it was something I said for a couple of weeks. We've been talking about, you know,
like if Donald Trump gets, you know, impeached there, you know, maybe there's going to be unrest.
And I've been sort of talking about this and thinking about it and thinking about it.
And we're going to cover a story a little later on about the size of maybe the QAnon posts and whatnot.
And there's, I want to roll that all back.
I want to roll it all back.
I want to roll it all back because for one,
in one instance, I want to say,
I don't care what the repercussions are.
That's the right thing to do.
And we shouldn't care what the repercussions are
for the right thing to do.
So I said it and I don't agree with it anymore.
I said it a couple weeks ago.
I don't agree with it anymore.
The best thing that could happen is what the right thing to happen is.
So if he's, if like the president is removed from office.
You're not taking a pragmatic view of the ethical issue.
Yeah, no, it's the law.
This is the law.
This is what should happen.
So I want to roll that back.
But then I also want to roll back the idea that, you know, I'm not really that afraid. I'll be out there on
the other side of this. Like I'll be on the other side of this. They removed the president. I'll be
on the other side of that. And I would counter protest and be like, fucking A, good. He's been
a disaster. And he's, and he's, and he, if he does get removed, then he got removed for a reason.
Right. And so I would absolutely be like, no, man, you don't keep somebody in there who's
fucking up that bad. So I want to roll all that back. I want to take all that back. But I also think what helped me get over that and helped me realize that is that seeing the sizes of these things, right? Seeing the size of this in particular. This is the tiniest little thing. Washington, D.C. is your time to shine. All these police are there. They got their horsies. They got their big sticks.
They got everything to protect
your little wimpy racist ass.
Yeah.
And you show up
and you're just like,
I just want to be a Nazi.
Is there any way
that I could just do that
and you guys don't care?
They're all Pat.
They're all fucking Ted Cruz.
Like they're all spineless garbage people.
Ted Nazi for human president.
So one quick question.
These racists,
they're not gone.
Are they still a force?
They're not here.
Here's the,
here's the thing that,
that,
that I don't know if it worries me,
but I think it's worth talking about a little bit.
Like we know that those assholes that were racist last year,
still assholes. We now they're coward assholes, but they were always coward assholes. They just thought
they had more of their coward buddies to hang out with. Now they're not going to be in person
assholes, but like when Trump got elected, all the polls showed one thing and then everyone showed up
and fucking pulled out their tiny dicks and voted another way. Right. So like, and,
and we've seen with like other marginalized groups,
like the incels and you know,
what have you,
like they're finding each other in other ways.
So part of me wonders,
like,
does it matter that we're not physically visible and physically present in
terms of like how that translates to political force and
how much damage they can do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Are we now in a place where it's like,
yeah,
all right,
well like,
so what if you didn't do anything physically?
That's only a small part of,
of how we gather now.
I think this is going to be integral to their,
I think that showing up places and exerting
their racism
and showing that they're not
afraid is absolutely integral to
their message and to the way they spread it.
I think it has to be.
I like that answer and I don't like my question.
I don't want my question to be right.
I think that in order to...
These people are selling a bill of goods
and that bill of goods is that other people are selling a bill of goods and that bill of goods
is that other people
are weaker than them.
That's their bill of goods.
That's true.
Yeah.
And if you show up,
if you don't show up
and you don't swing
your big old dick around,
then you're just
fucking weak.
Right.
You're just weak.
And what I love
when I see
the counter protesters
is you see the grandmas
out there.
You see this grandma.
Yeah, I know, right?
Fuck racism.
Fuck you, you fucking skinhead fuck.
And it's like some like 70-year-old grandma.
Right.
And you're just like, fucking, that lady's fucking balling.
That lady's not a coward, right?
That lady's killer.
Yeah.
That lady's absolutely a hero.
And you're a garbage person.
Right.
You're a big strapping young man,
but you're worthless.
You're worthless.
I like that.
I like, okay.
I like your answer and I believe your answer.
I think you have to swing.
Yeah.
And if they're too afraid to swing
because of the cons,
and it's not proven,
but it's my thought.
I think it's because of the consequences.
I think there are consequences to being a racist now.
That they thought maybe last year there wouldn't be.
They thought there wasn't going to be.
Yeah.
And I think that they're suddenly realizing
that technology is scary.
No.
Well, I think they also thought
that they were going to show up.
And I've read things.
The reason I think I've read things that suggest this.
I think they also thought that they were going to show up
and that there were many, many more people like them that were too afraid to voice that more people-
That this year's would be bigger.
... these terrible ideas. But last year, I think the idea too was like,
hey man, if there's a hundred of us, there's really a thousand. If there's a thousand,
there's really a million because there's more-
Because we're cockroaches.
So we are going to be the representative examples of this ideology.
And once we show up, more people will pour out of the woodwork.
And when the exact opposite thing happened, when it was like, yeah, it's pretty much all of you.
Yeah, no, that's it.
That's the whole thing.
That's the whole club.
Maximum density.
Right.
And then it's like, oh, that didn't go well.
And everyone hates us because we're scum.
And we lose our jobs and we lose our social connections. Yeah. Yeah. I do want to roll
something back that I just said. They're not cockroaches. Cockroaches are adorable in
comparison to racists. So I just want to roll that back. You are watching the beginning and the birth
of the new world order. And you want to call me crazy?
Go to hell.
Call me crazy all you want.
Fucking guy is so crazy.
This story is from Right Wing Watch.
Is he crazy on this one, though?
Well, yeah. It's a big lie.
Deep state misinformation.
Well, that's true.
I guess I stopped reading after It's a Big Lie.
I was going to give Rick all the credit. So here's the headline from Right Wing
Watch. It's a big lie, Rick Wild.
Okay, let's leave it at that, Rick.
We were in agreement for a second.
Oh my God. Oh, Rick, you and me
simpatico for like half a second.
I love it's like, he gets it
so wrong. I know, yeah.
He might as well just be like, so read
what it says. I love being wrong different.
Yeah, it says. I love being wrong different.
Rick Weil says,
QAnon is a deep state misinformation. I mean, he might as well just be like,
it's the monkeys from fucking Wizard Boss
with the fucking wings.
Like that's what's causing it or whatever.
All right, we got to play this clip here from True News.
A lot of you people are into QAnon.
Okay, my advice to you, get
away from it. It's a big lie.
Okay. Okay.
Nine seconds in. Can we stop? End game.
Rick Wiles, we're on the same page. You can come over
for dinner. We are friends now.
I may actually save that clip, though, as a
lead-in to any Q stories
in the future. You know what I mean? It is a big lie.
Yeah.
I've been around doing this for 20 years.
I have seen...
You know, for a man his age,
20 years is not a big portion of his career.
It really isn't, you know?
Like, I've been doing this since 1998.
Yeah, really big fucking deal.
I mean, like, I'm not impressed.
You're 700 years old.
That's what I mean.
Like a Methuselah.
I've been around the block.
Doing what exactly? Like, I've been around the block doing what exactly?
Like I've been broadcasting it on the internet for 20 years and not just
anyone can say crazy shit on the internet.
Look at time cube guy.
Well,
look at Alex Jones,
various versions of Q and on come and go over 20 years.
Okay.
And I've seen a pattern and there's always going,
there's always somebody behind the scenes in the New World Order.
There we go, buddy.
Cecil, come back to me, buddy.
There's always somebody behind the scenes in the New World Order.
I was so on your side, Richard.
I wanted to be with you.
Do you see what's happening right now?
Grandpa, right?
His conspiracy theory
from 20 years ago
was the New World Order.
Right.
And that's still the one
he likes the best
because that's what he grew up with.
That's exactly it.
This right now,
this is the conspiracy theory
version of
you kids don't know good music.
This is the conspiracy theory
version of
a shark would beat up Bigfoot.
But you know what I mean?
It's like,
it's like back in my day,
Led Zeppelin,
you know,
like,
okay,
shut the fuck up.
You're a million and no one cares what you say.
Would a guy with one boxing glove on his hand
beat a Gracie?
And the answer to that is watch UFC one.
No.
No,
he wouldn't.
Who's telling the truth,
trying to get the truth out.
So there's always been these QAnon characters that have popped up.
Okay.
Oh, I've got a friend in Homeland Security who's giving me the inside information about
Barack Obama.
Well, that seems a lot better than QAnon.
Yeah.
I'm already like.
I mean, Jesus, that seems way more.
I mean, I don't believe it.
No.
But it seems at least somewhat credible. And when a person's like, I mean, I don't believe it. No. But it seems at least somewhat credible
when a person's like,
I know a guy.
I'd be like,
well,
I don't know that I trust you,
but at least
that seems plausible.
Also,
you identified
where that guy is from.
Yeah.
Unlike anyone,
all anyone says about Q is like,
he's got connections.
Deep state.
He's deep in there.
He's deep in there.
He's all up.
He's touching the surface.
He's got Q level.
He's in there.
She's got cramps after.
He's poking at the cervix.
Like, what?
Poor lady.
Poor lady.
I've never given anyone cramps.
Ladies, I just want you to know,
if we had sex, you'd be comfortable.
That's all.
You could sleep right through it i probably wouldn't even bother you
i would let you know when we start and you would be like candy crushing the whole time
wouldn't even matter wouldn't even matter i've heard all this stuff i don't believe any of it
right it's another secret
society is all it is and here's what the fuck happened to that guy's face that guy looks do
you know what he looks like he looks like what would happen if if humpty dumpty fell and then
you couldn't find all the pieces like that's that guy's face now we watched him like like last week
now this is the same gap tooth guy we saw last week when we had Ethan Eli on.
And we were talking about his teeth.
But his hair is something else.
He's also got like one of those heads that like begins to kind of coalesce.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Plateau.
Yeah.
So like, yeah, his head is smaller where his brain is.
He's like his cheeks.
He's like Monument Valley.
The heck?
to be than where his cheeks are. He's like Monument Valley the heck.
He's like,
you need more space for your
fucking sinuses than your
brainular region?
You get up there.
You need to mix it up.
It's like that Homer Simpson thing where he's got like
three inches of padding
all around his brain.
I could hit you with this surgical 2x4.
He takes the 2x4 out of the rip.
Oh, the Simpsons when they were funny.
Here's what they're doing.
All right.
This is what I think.
All right.
It's one of two things.
It's either a nutcase person that has this sick game.
I'm going to get pleasure.
It's jigsaw.
Like QAnon just rides in on a creepy tricycle.
I don't know why I did ride in with my hands.
I like that, though.
Somebody's got a bear trap on their face or whatever.
They've got to figure out what a security clearance is
before they smash it or whatever.
What he's going to say, though, is,
though Tom and I know where he's going to go,
he's going to say it's a troll.
Like, he doesn't have the words for it,
but that's what he means.
He's like, it's some sick dude who's like,
you know, and it's probably many people,
but it's a sick group of people who are like,
and I'm going to agree.
Yeah, it's the first one.
It's just trolls, man.
Like, nobody has any clearance guys it's i
mean read the writing the writing is is is crypto garbage language right it's as you pointed out
it's it's this is it's the new world order nostradamus right creating this mysterious
figure and i'm just gonna this is gonna be my alter ego nobody will know that in the daytime
i sell real estate but at night I'm queuing on.
It's like Batman.
I'm Batman.
Yeah.
You know, and I come out.
That'd be awesome if your real estate agent was queuing on.
I mean, I got to say.
And the attic is great for your own pirate radio station.
He's actually, he's like pulling out.
He pulls out like the contract and he accidentally pulls out some top secret dossier.
Don't look at that.
These are your disclosures.
No, wait, that's Hillary Clinton eating the face of a fucked baby.
He pulls out a CD and on the cover is Hillary Clinton wearing a baby's face. I thought that was your flood disclosure.
Jesus.
God damn it.
No, no.
This is Obama's secret plans to run the world from his cave of darkness.
Oh, yeah.
In Washington, D.C.
Harlem?
I don't know.
Out of my bat cave, I'm QAnon.
It might be that.
It's definitely that.
Like, we can stop.
The best part is, like, I'm still kind of.
I mean, I'm not.
We'll drop the New World Order order stuff but I'm with you
it's a crazy person or an asshole
or a crazy asshole
I really think it is
it's somebody inside the deep state
who is
misleading the public
misleading the people who
they're not saying the right lie
we are explaining
one conspiracy theory by invoking
a different conspiracy theory.
You know, those aliens aren't
Bigfoot. Bigfoot is really a Yeti.
Like, the fucking, what do you want from me?
It was never the aliens that were doing
cattle mutilations. It was always Bigfoot.
It was always a pyramid or something.
Like, oh my God. Yeah.
We seriously just invoked a different
wildly improbable evidence-free conspiracy theory., my God. Yeah. We seriously just invoked a different, wildly improbable, evidence-free conspiracy theory.
Know that the deep state is corrupt.
Want to see it exposed.
Want to see it brought down.
And what are they doing?
Misleading you into believing that there's some secret group of investigators and prosecutors who are rounding up these corrupt people and going to
bring them to justice because as long as you believe that stuff right you're not going to do
anything to actually bring about their arrest what the fuck can you do anyway well what can you do
like i'm just a dude right let's say i do think that think that Hillary Clinton is doing bad stuff. I don't know what, but let's just
say, how can I bring about their
arrest? What am I
supposed to do as a normal citizen? It doesn't make any sense.
No, you can get, you can citizens
arrest them. You can run around
and say, wouldn't it be awesome
if somebody came up and was like, citizens
arrest! To fucking
Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton.
Citizens arrest! Go, go, get it! Here it goes! Here it goes! Sins of Rask to fucking Hillary Clinton. Like climbed in and said, Sins of Rask.
Go, go get it.
Here you go.
Here you go, Hillary.
I got you.
I got you.
I got you.
I got you good now, girl.
It's going to happen.
The best thing is like these fucking lunatics, these Pizzagate gun-toting, bridge-stopping Hoover damn dudes.
If you're a person, though, on the other side, especially in that higher
area, you know, you're talking about
the higher-ranking Democrat
type people, do you think Hillary has
a lot more staff around her
now because of these people that are crazy?
Yeah, I do. I think as
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spiral a little bit,
at some point, you have to increase your security.
Your security detail has to go up.
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All right, so this story is from Vox.
This is really interesting. We analyzed every
QAnon post on Reddit. Here's
who QAnon supporters actually are.
And Cecil, you showed me this,
and I think what we want to talk about
is a couple of things. I think we want to talk about what the
headline is, is who are these people?
But also, just as
important is how many of these
people are there? Yeah.
Because I think there is an impression that's been given on this show as well.
I think I fell for it.
Yeah.
Because of the way it's been covered.
It's been covered by major media outlets, etc.
That there are this groundswell of QAnon people.
Yeah.
And there's really just not.
Yeah. At least according to's really just not. Yeah.
You know, at least according to the analysis of this subreddit. Yeah, and the people who are talking about this stuff, right?
The people who are posting the most and talking about this the most.
No, it's a subreddit of 40-some thousand people, but you can't assume that all those people
are in the queue.
Some of them probably are just watching just to see what's going on and, you know, trying
to watch.
And, you know, I'm sure there's plenty of people that are laughing along.
But the breakdown of these is that they have, so there's 200 account users that account for a quarter of the forum's comments.
And then there's 700 users account for the next quarter of the comments and then it says
nearly everyone else on the subreddit 11 000 commenters and 42 000 lurkers are just along for
the ride right and that that's i mean it shows you yeah maybe there are some lurkers i don't know
11 000 commenters again you can't be sure that those people are specifically um you know commenting
positive or negative you don't know you don't know if they're just like,
I don't know that I believe this.
You know what I mean?
Like maybe they're questioning.
You don't know.
Q could stand for questioning, right?
And then it is-
Is Reddit the primary place, do you think?
I don't know.
4chan is.
4chan is.
4chan is, right?
So again, this is probably a smaller subsection
than if you were to go to 4chan
and if they were going to try to run.
The problem is that on 4chan, we talked about this a couple weeks ago there's no requirement
for you to have an account you could just be anonymous and type something right so you don't
know how many people so if there's just a ton of anonymous posts and there's a bunch of people
talking about it you're like yeah well there was you know 17 000 anonymous posts but i can't tell
who they who was it and if they were the same person.
But on Reddit, you have to have a username. And so you can actually track it.
I wonder too, like just thinking aloud, like I wonder like what the sort of like
representative exchange rate to the general population is. So like, and what I mean by
that is like, I think there's a lot of people, I may be universalizing, but I think there's a lot of people like me
who read but don't engage.
That lurker thing.
I also don't subscribe to subreddits.
I just type them in and go to them.
So I wouldn't even show up as a lurker.
Do you know what I mean?
Right.
And that's most of what I do online.
I would never if I went to,
because I do go to the Donald on occasion,
which is a pro a pro Trump Reddit.
Right. But I don't ever subscribe because I would never want my name attached to it.
Yeah. But even things that like I'm genuinely interested in online, I oftentimes will just go to the thing, you know, and read it.
And but I don't like engage it.
engage it.
So I wonder like how many engaged Reddit users,
what's that translate into?
How many people does that represent that believe Q?
Do you know what I mean?
You have the people it's like,
it's like reading,
like,
it's like if you see a product,
right. And you see a hundred reviews on that product,
or even like our Patreon,
like there's a percentage of people that donate and there's your overall listenership.
And like you can extrapolate, like if 3% of your people engage and 97% of people don't,
then there's a, there's an equation there.
There's a, there's a, there's a math that you can do.
Yeah.
So I do wonder, like, if you got 700 people that are engaged and trackable and known,
does that mean that there's 7,000? Is it
a 10 to one? Is it a two to one? You know what I mean? Like, I do want to know, I'd be curious to
know what that ratio is between the people who engage and talk and comment and the people who
just believe. Yeah. You know, it's interesting because they wound up tracking where they posted
and where they hung out other and other places, right. Where they posted and where they hung out in other places, right?
Where they posted and commented in other places.
And they have a list of other places and overlaps.
And they have a list in this article you should look at.
It says they overlap with a lot of pro-Trump reddits like the Donald conspiracy politics and drain the swamp.
Also, they go to Ask the Donald, conservative.
There's some pro-Mueller one.
There's the Mueller that they belong to.
And then combining Q in the Bible, there's a biblical Q, which is awesome.
Libertarian.
The hobbies include sports, investment, or gaming.
And the sports, investment, and gaming are MMA,
World of Warcraft, or
cryptocurrency.
And the one that Tom and I visited together.
Oh my God. The one where I lost
all of my tiny shred
of faith still in humanity.
Of hope. The parts of me
that still felt good
inside in any way.
MGTOW or MGTOW.
Don't go.
Is men going their own way.
They should.
They should go away.
They should change that to men who should just go away.
And what it is, is we went to this Reddit tonight and it's so embarrassing.
It's so cringy.
Like they had on here, it's funny because they have this thing on here.
They found a Reddit called cringe anarchy that I guess they go to.
And I guess that they unironically go to men going their own way and don't cringe.
Although you should be cringing the entire time.
I wound up reading some of these things to Tom and we were going back and forth and talking about them.
And all it is is just misogynist.
I mean, all it is is people who were genuinely
and not just like casual
misogyny or like ha ha ha, but
like these are people who genuinely hate women.
Like they genuinely hate
the female species
and they think that they're unintelligent,
latchers
on, you know, manipulative, manipulative.
Yeah.
But like to a post, like to a post and to a comment from what we scrolled through, it's like there is this sort of like pathetic resentment.
Yeah. You know, and it's, it's the most banal childlike fucking middle school understanding of like how people be,
you know?
Exactly.
And it's,
it's,
it's just,
it's somebody who's mad that they didn't get picked in dodgeball and hates dodgeball.
Now it's somebody who's mad that like,
you know,
pretty girls don't want to talk to them.
And so girls are all bad.
And like,
it's so incredibly predictable,
but good Lord,
the amount of fucking dick pulling,
they should just go men go gay and get over it.
Just get over it.
And you kind of brought that up.
Like it's like,
there's this weird tension where they're all like,
fuck it.
We don't need women.
It's like,
really?
Cause like, that's that thing where it's like, I's this weird tension where they're all like, fuck it. We don't need women. It's like, really? Cause like,
that's that thing where it's like,
I'm so over my ex.
I wrote this song about how over my ex I am.
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
I,
you know,
I'm so over women that I'm going to go on this subreddit and I'm going to
post about how over,
and I don't want women in my life.
And you're specifically women.
What I don't want from women.
I don't want their luscious,
luscious luscious
boobies exactly right really it's like that their pillow soft skin and smooth smooth smooth smooth
legs you know i mean like this guy is just like it's it's freaky there's another thing that we're
talking about too we're reading through and this guy was saying something like, women only latch on to you.
And Tom, help me remember what some of these things are for.
For people, how many people
like you and how much money you make
and how funny you are.
And it says women aren't attracted to you
unless you have all these other qualities.
And Tom's like, yeah, those are attractive qualities.
Like, all those things
are attractive. Like, I totally
agree with that guy. Like,
yes,
people will not be attracted to you unless you offer more like,
and his,
his really the thrust of this guy is,
I don't want to use the word argument because it's insulting to that word.
But his, his,
his position was like,
he said like,
women can't really see what's beautiful.
Like,
I think he was saying like,
if women would just be more shallow.
Yeah.
I would do better. I'd be killing it. Like, I think he was saying like, if women would just be more shallow, I would do better.
I'd be killing it. And like, I do think that there's a sense from that post that like all the
comments underneath it, that was like, well,
I can go to the gym and get abs.
Yeah.
But if you want me to like treat you like a person,
have a conversation and not be a socially inept piece of shit.
Well, that's just too high.
You're asking a lot.
And one of the things too,
because both Tom and I were talking about it,
and he's like,
all those things are attractive qualities.
I said, yeah, but when you treat women as objects,
you never, you will never have,
you don't have to worry about any of those other things
because all that matters to you is how they look.
Like the rest of it doesn't matter.
He seems to be lamenting that women
aren't treating him as an object.
Exactly, right?
He's lamenting that and the way he's objectified.
He's like, can't we just agree to objectify?
Can't we all just have a gentleman and gentle lady agreement to objectify?
All I want to do is minimize the entirety of your personhood.
That's all I want to do.
And have you minimize the entirety of mine.
Can I just do that?
I'm going my own way.
My personhood minimizes whenever it's cold.
It's fine.
Mine never maximizes.
I can't tell the difference really.
I'm just like, I don't know.
Are we at mid or max?
But this was a very enlightening article
and it made me think a lot about sort of the positions
that we've had in the past couple of weeks.
And I take it all back.
I take it all back.
I just, I don't care.
These people are crazy and they're nuts and I don't care.
Like I don't care about them.
I don't care if there's a,
like if there was a 3 million Q March, I wouldn't care. I'd be crazy and they're nuts and I don't care. I don't care about them. I don't care if there was a
3 million Q March.
I wouldn't care. I'd be like, no, that's fine.
It's fine. You wouldn't worry about
their political influence?
Of course I'm worried. I'm worried about one of
their political influences, not 3 million.
That's the only reason that I'm worried.
It feels like,
oh my God, why are we getting together
to do this?
Like, can we get together and like make a better Thanksgiving turkey? Because that shit turns out dry too often.
I got to say, like the shit that gets together about these insoles and these racists and these cute people.
I'm just like flush all of them down the toilet.
It's all the same person.
It probably is.
You know what I mean?
It probably is.
Like the amount of overlap there. Oh, yeah. It's all the same. It's all the same person. Yeah, it probably is. Do you know what I mean? It probably is. The amount of overlap there, it's all the
same dude.
Well, you know a lot of those racists are
all like, I'm the alpha.
I'm an alpha, beta, alpha
max, whatever.
I don't even know. I'm just making up words.
They don't know.
I'm making up words. I don't know what they say.
But, you know, like they're all
the tough guys. And you know
that these people talk about those alphas, right?
They talk about that sort of thing. And I think
a lot of these people idolize those
racist alpha-type people.
I think the underlying
psychological overlap
that seems to be evident in all of these
groups is like, I
don't feel powerful.
I want to feel, I want to get together with enough other
people that also don't feel powerful so that I don't have to examine the things that I should
change about me or about my thoughts or about how I interact. I don't have to ever have to ask
myself a hard question. Right. Yeah. What I want to do instead is get together and be like, do you
also feel unpowerful? Yeah. Let's all do that together.
Maybe we'll be more powerful if we're banded.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
But you're right.
A lot of non-critical self-reflection and that causes some really fucked up shit.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like every once in a while, you got to look at yourself in the mirror and be like, am
I the person I want to be?
What we should do.
Am I being my best self?
Right.
You got to ask yourself that all the time
because sometimes you're not.
Right.
And sometimes you got to look at yourself
and be like,
I was not my best self today.
Yeah.
And that fucking sucked.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You want answers?
I think I'm entitled.
You want answers.
I want the truth.
You can't handle the truth.
This story is also from Rant Wing Watch.
And here we go.
Here's Liz.
Liz,
kitchen counter croaking.
Groups combating human trafficking are actually fronts to traffic kids. Oh, go. Liz, kitchen counter croaking. Groups combating human
trafficking are
actually fronts to traffic kids.
Are they Catholic?
That is a fox in the hen hound
situation. Or hen hound?
That doesn't make any sense. You put the fox in the hen hound.
You put the fox in the hen. You put all three of them in a
canoe with a bag of grain.
Alright, this is Liz.
For people that
don't think that Hillary Clinton
really is going to jail,
if you really still think
that at this point,
then your head is fully in the sand
because Q has been posting
about the Clinton Foundation.
Because my internet friend.
Guys, here's how we know
stuff is true.
Are you guys not listening to the Q?
She should have a show, Liz Epistemology.
She just tells us how she knows shit.
Could you imagine Magna Bosco talking to her?
Oh my God, Anthony Magna Bosco.
Everybody tweet at Anthony Magna Bosco
to talk to Liz Croken. Everybody tweet at Anthony Magna Bosco to talk to Liz
Croken. Everybody tweet at
Anthony Magna Bosco and ask him
to have a conversation with Liz
Croken about how she knows
stuff is true. Oh my God.
This would be literally delicious.
You could eat this conversation. I would spend the rest of my
life masturbating to that video.
Just like
Anthony's like gentle but insistent questions. Just like, Anthony's like, gentle but insistent questions.
Just like,
politely and respectfully
being like,
so good at it.
Oh, he's so amazing at it.
And he'd just be like,
yeah, but how do you know
any of that?
How does he not laugh at her, though?
I don't know.
Oh, how amazing would that be?
Q has been posting about,
you know,
Clinton Foundation and insinuating Clinton Foundation is a front for child sex trafficking, which it is, and that they're involved in trafficking kids from Haiti.
And Q also trolled the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation by posting the human trafficking hotline that, by the way, Chelsea Clinton.
Wait, hold on a second.
How is that trolling them?
Isn't that just outing them?
What's the difference?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't want.
You know, like there's a part of me.
It's just like my start.
Like I listen to this.
I start shutting down a little bit.
Like all my systems are just like my kidneys are not even filtering.
Like things are just breaking inside.
Saving power.
It's like, no, no no we're gonna save
stuff that we need to go we need to listen to stuff that matters like i get to a point where
it's like well they posted this thing anybody can post anything at all like why don't you know this
anybody can always post anything always it's just it's like the lowest thing you can do yeah i mean
like what you need is a thing that connects to the internet and a typey thing.
That's the lowest bar.
The thing that connects to the internet comes with the typey thing built into it.
I mean, admittedly, admittedly, he's certainly, he or she, probably he, is certainly someone who has access to the internet.
So, I mean, there are people in the United States that don't have access to it.
You know what I mean?
Like the fucking crazy hill people. There's people in the United States that don't have access to the internet. So, I mean, there are people in the United States that don't have access to it. You know what I mean? Like the fucking crazy hill people.
There's people in the United States
that don't have access to the internet.
There's plenty of people in the United States
that don't have computers.
Right.
You know, although your cell phone now is a computer.
So, I know, I mean,
there's homeless people in Chicago with cell phones.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like that's changing.
It's changing.
It's changing more rapidly
because I remember it was a pretty privileged area for a very long time. Yeah, the internet. You know more rapidly because I remember it was a pretty privileged area
for a very long time.
Yeah, the internet.
You know what I mean?
The internet was a very privileged area.
And as time goes on,
it's getting less and less,
there's less and less sort of,
you know,
things you need
in order to interact with it.
It's becoming more and more democratized.
And this is a perfect example of this.
And it's really the,
like you say,
the lowest bar
that you ever need
is to go on an anonymous board and type in anything at all.
Yeah.
And the post is, I mean, I saw the post.
I clicked on the post and the post is the Clinton Foundation.
And then, like she says, there's a hotline number underneath it and that's it.
Jesus Christ, it's literally nothing.
It's like, if you fucking posted a Winnie the Pooh song,
it would be as meaningful as that.
It's nothing at all.
That's nothing.
He also trolled the Clintons
and the Clinton Foundation
by posting the human trafficking hotline
that, by the way,
Chelsea Clinton had tweeted about
in a tweet
where she was making fun of Pizzagate.
So anyways, Q posted this.
And the reason why Q,
I believe Q posted this,
it's pretty obvious to me,
is that the Clinton Foundation
has been involved in child sex trafficking
for a very long time.
And what they do is they,
the charity is a front for child sex trafficking,
among other things.
It's not, I don't believe it's just limited
to child sex trafficking, but.
Yeah, I mean like, they throw dinner parties.
It's whatever other evil shit
we just decide to attach. They sometimes have art auctions.
Spaghetti dinner,
pancake breakfast.
They do the Mother's Day meet
and greet. Father-daughter
dance. And fuck kids.
And that's just one
part of it, though. Pinewood Derby. We have a
Pinewood Derby in the basement.
They do the fish fry during Lent.
So, I swear. All this stuff.
The Clinton Foundation is also your local moose lodge.
Well, and to be honest,
she's going to say in a few minutes
how all these different organizations
are fronts for child sex.
She would probably think the Moose is a child sex.
Oh, my God.
Because the Moose, the Moose.
Well, let's get there.
It's a Moose lodge.
You lodge your Moose in the Moose knuckle.
Moose knuckles your knuckle.
Like, you could go,
you could just do that if you want to.
The Moose actually does have an orphanage.
Like, they actually do run an orphanage.
Like, the Moose lodge.
Yeah, well, of course they do. Runs an orphanage. That's their stable run an orphanage. Like the moose lodge. Well, of course they do.
That's their stable of kids.
Where would they get the kids?
They sell them to the Elks.
Sell them to the Royal Order of Water Buffalo.
And then what happens is the Elks Club,
they sell them to the Rotary Club
who gives them vaccines,
which give them all autism,
which makes them better to abuse because they can't
report it. And then after it's all
over and they've been used and abused, the Masons
come in and buy them. Yeah, well. Because they don't
buy, they only buy used.
They never buy new. Never
buy new. You always make sure someone takes
those miles off the lot. Well, plus they
need somebody to fix the cars,
fix the engines on those tiny cars they drive.
They have those little hands.
They got little hands.
Child mechanics.
Tiny little hands that work.
It's a front for child sex trafficking.
They traffic a lot of the kids from Haiti.
We know that President Trump said at that dinner, that black tie dinner in New York City, I can't remember the name of it. That Hillary Clinton stole many villages from Haiti.
Well, he means that quite literally.
Yeah, they just like, like they went in
and they dug up the ground underneath the villages.
And then all those kids were stuck.
They crated them in there.
Right.
And they shipped them with their huts to New York City.
They turned it upside down
and shook all the grownups out of it.
Because they needed their own habitat.
Like when you go to buy a goldfish, Tom,
you can't just get like a tank.
You have to get a little bit of rocks in there.
You got to have one of those treasure chests
that bloops up air once in a while.
You can't.
These things are willy-nilly.
These kids need a habitat.
So it's a front for child sex trafficking,
but the Clinton Foundation clearly works in tandem with this hotline, with the organization that's associated with the human trafficking hotline.
And I believe what Q was trying to tell us is that that human trafficking hotline probably is used to intercept children that are crying out.
Why would you just say it?
Why has he got to talk like that?
He's literally anonymous.
Why would he be like,
I think what he's trying to say with this fucking bizarre series of breadcrumb bullshit.
Yeah.
Why would you just say this?
Like if you had,
if,
if you knew all of this and you gave a shit about, it, if this were true, which it is very much not.
If this was true and you gave a shit about it at all and you had any evidence, like one evidence unit, one single unit of evidence.
Why would you not take your evidence units, get on an airplane, go to Europe, expose it from Europe, you're safe.
Like I would have done, what time is it right now?
It's like 1030.
I'd have this done by 1115. I would, I would have this done today. You know, I'm starting to get a little hot and
a little angry about this now. Like this now, now you've, I think she's crossed the line right now
that makes me a little angry. And the angry comes from you're discrediting a hotline that can save kids' lives.
Right.
There's going to be some asshole,
and I don't know how many assholes listen to her,
but there's going to be some asshole who may not call the child sex trafficking line
because he thinks that when you do, you get sex trafficked.
Yeah.
And not that you save someone from sex trafficking.
And that's...
That's awful. That's not good sex trafficking. And that's awful.
That's not good, man.
That's not good.
That's, I think, a crime.
I mean, if it's not, it's pretty close to a crime.
You're endangering children's lives.
What are you, Catholic?
Like, this shit.
No, at least over there we know it's not anonymous.
They call them keysters for a reason. It's a cue.
For help. So, unfortunately, a lot of these organizations that have been developed within our government,
that have been developed within our government,
such as Amber Alert and, you know,
the National Center for Missing Children.
Oh, my God.
The foster care system, CPS.
Okay, my God.
You're just naming people that have dedicated their lives to helping exploited children.
It's even worse now when you're saying CPS
because, you know, chances of you
looking over and maybe seeing somebody
who's being sex trafficked, they're pretty low.
Chances of you witnessing some abuse
or some neglect of some random
child might be a lot higher.
And now you're discrediting that
organization? Now you're discrediting a
governmental organization with oversight?
She's just discrediting the foster
care system. Like, literally, Liz, what is your is your alternative like i don't have a place to live or anything to eat
well you wouldn't want to end up in sex trafficking so so now you're home that's the luck to you now
you're gonna have to go peddle your own ass there's not gonna be a john to help you right
you know you're on your own you're an entrepreneur. Welcome to America. Here's two bootstraps and a condom.
Most of these government institutions that are supposed to save kids from pedophiles
are supposed to save kids from child sex trafficking.
They're supposed to help kids, you know, that are at risk and are being abused and end up
in these child sex trafficking rings.
They're actually fronts to traffic kids.
There's so many kids in her world that are being trafficked.
Are there any kids at all that are not part of this?
That makes me,
that makes me,
that,
that really does tune me up.
Like I'm,
I mean,
like,
like you're discrediting,
like you said,
groups of people who spend their entire lives helping children,
trying to make sure that those kids...
Yeah, but they probably do it for the big bucks.
Or the big sex that they get. The big
bangs. They get bangs for their bucks, I guess.
From the kids. What's little bangs?
Little bangs. A whole lot of little bangs
make up a big bang, Tom.
That's what I tell all the ladies anyway.
Sarah's got a punch
card. Like a ticket
The seventh one's an orgasm
She's all excited at six
Like oh yeah
Next Tuesday sex night is gonna be awesome
Next month's Tuesday
Third Tuesday of the month
Seriously though I'm like I mean genuinely
That's some horrible shit.
That's, that's...
It's like saying, like,
don't call the fire department. All they come is
with accelerant. You know what I mean?
There's like gasoline hoses.
And, you know, you call,
you show up and the Dalmatian
attacks you or whatever.
You know what I mean? You're basically saying
this is an evil organization.
You could feasibly...
I know for sure
now, 100%.
Because before when you and I were talking,
we were talking about the Pizzagate guy.
Even though this guy's insane,
even though he's clearly
the most gullible person on the planet,
I think there's a part
of you and I that at least can get,
we can get there with them.
Yeah.
We can be like,
you know what?
This guy has kids at heart.
He's thinking about children.
Right.
Yeah.
I can't say that about her anymore.
You know what I can't say?
Like clearly you're just a nut.
You're just a nut who's saying crazy shit to get views at this point.
Yeah.
Yeah. She's selling video. You're just a nut who's saying crazy shit to get views at this point. Yeah, she's selling video right now.
You're just selling video.
Yeah, she's selling video.
And you don't give a fuck about those kids.
It's kind of the Alex Jones thing.
Like, let me just keep saying crazy shit,
you know, regardless of what those consequences might be
because, you know, it gets me the thing that I want.
I will say.
The attention, the validation, the clicks, whatever.
I got to say,
I think there should be some consequences to this.
I think if you're taking Alex Jones, the people down for like when Alex Jones's videos down
for saying something like those people are liars, they're actors, right?
And you're hurting those group, that group of people.
I think this is worse.
I think this is exponentially worse than that.
This is, this is undeniably quite an awful thing.
This is undeniably quite an awful thing. This is evil.
It begs the question,
does this violate YouTube's terms of service?
Part of me thinks it has to.
It has to in some way. And I hope it does.
Because this should not
exist on the internet.
This is convincing
people that the people that are there
to help and there's a large...
Can't be trusted.
And it's not just one group
that she's singling out.
She's singled out every single child group.
I wouldn't be surprised
if she was like,
the Make-A-Wish Foundation
just fucks her kids and burns them.
I wish I wasn't getting fucked.
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Got another call to prayer from Mosh.
I'm going to play this one right now.
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I don't remember.
It sounds familiar.
I know this song.
It sounds like Black Sabbath.
It has that feel, yeah.
Tom, we got a message from Phil.
And Phil was talking about the wistful days of 2011.
I remember. And Herman Cain and Michelle O'Bachman.
We were all so innocent.
You know, we were all so innocent back in those days.
Michelle O'Bachman.
Michelle O'Bachman.
Oh, God.
We got it.
Every time we got a name wrong, it was funny.
And it's funny.
And then they were never going to make it on their own.
Didn't Herman Cain have a pizza company?
I think.
I don't know.
I was thinking like everyone's taxes were $10 or something.
That's awesome. when he's like,
he's doing like the SimCity version
of taxing or whatever.
What was his thing?
He had like a tax plan.
He had like the $5 footlong tax plan.
He did though.
He had like some crazy like,
why don't we just charge everybody
like $11.40 or like,
he's like made some stuff.
I remember watching that guy and being like,
he doesn't know what he's doing.
He'll never get elected.
Oh, God.
That literally is not
a qualification standard now.
It's not a prerequisite.
You don't need any prerequisites anymore.
What are the new prerequisites?
You don't need any prerequisites.
Just get Michelle O'Bachman in there.
Just get her in there.
You know, the only reason that Michelle O'Bachman and Herman Cain weren't possible to be elected
isn't because they were stupid and grossly incompetent.
It's because one's black and the other's a woman.
It's the only reason that we're going's a woman. That's the only reason
we're going to make...
We live in the worst time.
We are garbage.
We are garbage every day.
Every day we get worse.
Oh, I drink to forget.
I'm going to go home and roofie myself.
Good Lord.
This is from Brian.
He made a call to prayer.
Allahu Akbar.
Allahu Akbar.
Allah.
This song.
Is this Tiny Dancer?
Is this?
This is not Tiny Dancer.
Oh, is that an Elton John song?
Okay, no, it's not.
Different gay guy.
Okay. Okay.
Guilty feet have got no reason.
I got a message from Matt, number one.
And he says,
you should find out what state Rick Joyner lives in
and then send the DMV a copy of the tape
where he sits and has a two-hour blackout
while in control of a vehicle.
Yeah, yeah.
You're right, Matt.
He should have to do,
you know how like once you turn a certain age,
you have to do the tests every year, right?
He should have to do the tests every year.
He should have to do tests all the time.
Are you translated up
to Jesus or whatever?
I want to talk about all the amazing people we met
this last weekend. We got a message from Mike
and we also got a message from
a couple other people this
weekend because we got a chance to meet a ton
of people. The people that we met this weekend,
the people who enjoy
Citation Needed, a lot of them came up to us
and said, hey, I found that show through Cogdiss.
Right.
I love you guys.
I love the show.
And a lot of people got a chance to express
sort of how much this show means to them.
And, you know, if they're,
especially if they're, you know,
spending long hours at work
or they, you know, they just don't,
they don't have a lot of people to talk to
in their area about certain things.
This show means a lot to them.
So we got a bunch of messages.
There's one in here from Mike in particular, but there's a bunch of other
messages that we got. And
when you guys come up and say to us how much the
show means to you, that means a lot to us.
It genuinely means a lot to us.
And I think for both of us,
I don't want to speak for you, but for me, I am constantly
surprised
that this thing that
I do this show with my buddy.
We goof around. We eat too much food.
We just enjoy each other's company.
We've been doing this for such a long time.
And we meet people
and this connects with people
in a way that
I think is largely unintentional.
But it's
so gratifying.
And so I'm grateful
genuinely grateful to you guys
Tom, we're talking about
90s dance music last episode
especially 90s wedding dance music
and Sarah says that she wound up
at a Walmart at 5am to buy groceries
you always want to question
your decisions when you wind up at a Walmart
at 5am, number one
but it says in the time span of us being there we had to listen to the cha-cha slide,
the Macarena, the electric slide, the train, and the hokey pokey over the speakers.
And they wound up, before they left, they played Rocky Horror.
What fucking crazy fucking discount wedding warehouse
version of Walmart were you at?
That's some clown shoe ass motherfucker
in the back who's just like, I'm going to put on
my wedding dance mix.
He's practicing for this
upcoming weekend. Just like, how
did that even happen?
Next is the chicken dance.
So,
there's a Mike Pence
for president
page.
And someone
created a, it's like
Ted Cruz for human
president.
At the bottom it says, this is a reminder to kill all your
tiny dogs.
And then the number of gays
who have returned to the Lord
is 382.
It's a funny,
it's very funny.
This is great.
It's very funny.
Mike Pence went to college.
Yeah.
Mike Pence won third prize
in 1972
Indiana Junior Corn Contest.
Mike Pence likes to watch movies.
It's very funny. The best part is the
tagline at the top says, see you
tomorrow for tomorrow
is now today.
He's got
there's some headings, Mike story,
what I ate,
Mike facts, mother
may I?
It's going to take your time,
but definitely we'll put a link on this week.
Show us official,
official Mike Pence.com.
He sucks so bad.
And it's the best part is,
is that like of all the people who deserve it,
like that's a guy who deserves it.
Yeah.
We got an image and this image is from Casey and it's an image of a plaque.
And the person's name is Richard.
And in quotes,
it's Dick.
So Richard Dick plows.
And he says,
he says,
really didn't just stick with Richard or even rich.
No,
if my name was Dick plows,
are you kidding me?
I can't even imagine.
Are you fucking kidding me?
That's the greatest name.
Dick plows.
Ever.
You are.
I don't care what you look like. You're in pornography. I don't care what you look like,
you're in pornography.
I don't care what you look like.
You could look like Eli Bosnick.
And you would be in pornography.
My job would just be to have that name all day.
With a name like Dick Plows? Come on.
Alright, this is from...
No, no, leave it on.
This is from Justin, a call to prayer.
Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar.
This is from Justin, A Call to Prayer. Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar.
Allah.
The return to innocent.
I hate this song so much.
It's the worst song. It's not the worst song.
This song puts me in pure moods.
God, Enigma sucked so bad.
All right.
We got two more calls to prayer.
This is from Zach.
Jesus. Calls to Prayer. This is from Zach. That was Jan Crouch
is what it's called. So I'm
suspecting Jan is doing Calls to
Prayer into a fan there.
So this is Call to prayer with chickens.
I love this.
I think before summer's out,
I am going to be driving down the street.
Yep.
Blaring that song.
How awesome would that be?
You come pulling up to a stoplight
and the Bach song is playing.
You gotta do it.
I might do it on my way home.
That's fucking amazing.
Well, that's going to wrap it up
for this week.
We are going to leave you like we always do
with the Skeptic's Creed.
Credulity is not a virtue.
It's fortune cookie cutter, mommy issue,
hypno-Babylon bullshit.
Couched in scientician, double bubble,
toil and trouble, pseudo-quasi-alternative,
acupunctuating, pressurized,
stereogram, pyramidal, free energy,
healing, water, downward spiral,
brain dead pan, sales pitch,
late night info- docutainment.
Leo Pisces.
Cancer cures.
Detox.
Reflex.
Foot massage.
Death in towers.
Tarot cards.
Psychic healing.
Crystal balls.
Bigfoot.
Yeti.
Aliens.
Churches.
Mosques and synagogues.
Temples.
Dragons.
Giant worms.
Atlantis.
Dolphins.
Truthers.
Birthers.
Witches. Wizards. Vaccine nuts, shaman healers, evangelists, conspiracy, double speak, stigmata, nonsense.
Expose your signs.
Thrust your hands.
Bloody, evidential, conclusive.
Doubt even this.
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