Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 441: Crampy

Episode Date: November 5, 2018

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recording live from Glorhill Studios in Chicago this is cognitive dissonance every episode we blast anyone who gets in our way we bring critical thinking skepticism and irreverence to any topic that makes the news makes makes it big, or makes us mad. It's skeptical. It's political. And there is no welcome mat. This is episode 441 of Cognitive Dissonance. And I am all geared up, Cecil. We are voting on Tuesday. This is coming out Monday.

It is. So vote tomorrow. Watch us afterwards on the live stream with Heath Enright in studio. We'll be live at 8 p.m. Central time. How excited are you to regain the house, to regain the Senate? It's not going to happen.

To regain the house. Can we regain the house, please? I hope so. I really want it. I really want the house. I hope so. I've been saving diligently for this house for two years. I'm sick of the mortgage payment I'm currently paying.

That's for sure. And I want to foreclose on the current owners. But yeah, this is the last plea that I will make. You know, I know that there are some people out there that don't vote. Don't be that person. Be the other kind of person. We call them better people. You should vote. If you don't vote, you're an idiot. You just are. Stop listening. Stop doing everything that you're doing and go vote. You should be voting. Absolutely. If you care about anything at all, anything, cats, if you care about cats, go vote. Just go vote. It doesn't even take a long time.

Your employer has to give you time off to do it. Go vote. I don't understand why you're not voting. If you live in another country, go vote. They may fire you. They might fire you, but they shouldn't. And if they do, you should get unemployment. You can't have that if there's Republicans. Next time, you can

volunteer at the polls if they fire you because you'll have plenty of free time. So the first article I want to talk about comes from the New York Times. This is an article on Jordan Peterson. It's called Jordan Peterson. Custodian of the Patriarchy. And this is

a typical sort of New York Times long form article. So there's no way to go into the whole thing. And I guess I want to start off by kind of expressing my ignorance. I didn't know much about Jordan Peterson. I won't pretend that I do from one article. But I will say that what I have gathered after reading this article and then after looking at some YouTube videos that I distressingly watched after reading this article, man, this guy kind of scares the shit out of me.

It scares the shit out of me that he's got a following as big as he has. And he's expressing ideas that are as incredibly problematic. And I didn't realize how. And again, I'm just saying this is my ignorance. I had no idea his ideas were as crazily problematic as they are. I thought he was just the guy who didn't want to use trans pronouns. And I was like, that's stupid, but

it's also not real interesting because it's so stupid you can debunk it in a minute and move on. I think the thing that I caught him at the very height of that I don't want to use trans pronouns stuff, which when he first started getting popular, someone who

on Twitter was jawing at us and being stupid toward us, like Tom and I were going back and forth with this person on Twitter, and they had said, Cecil, come on, man. You've got to watch this Jordan Peterson video. I think you'll get something out of it. So I

was like, you know what? I've been jawing back and forth with this guy. Clearly, I disagree with this guy. He was a Trump supporter. I totally disagree with him. But I was like, you know what? I'm going to go out of my way to watch this video. This guy provided a video. I'll listen. I actually downloaded the podcast. I didn't watch the video, but you know what I mean? I listened to it all. And it was right at the height when it, when he started becoming popular and it was about him and the trans pronoun thing. And it was how he, you know, didn't want to do it. And the whole time I just rolled my eye, could not stop rolling my eyes. I was rolling my eyes. It's like, are you serious? Cause he kept on making comparisons to using trans pronouns to,

you know, the Holodomor, you know, like the forced starvation of several million people or, you know, the killing of Jews or, you know, those sorts of things. He kept on, you know, we're talking about the Holocaust. He kept on bringing up these stupid comparisons that made no sense. And he just felt like fear mongering to me. And I was like, this is boring. This is just boring. This guy is the Brian Fisher of trans pronouns. I was like, he's uninteresting. He's uninteresting. And the thing

is, he can't even waver at that point. He couldn't even waver off into any particular interesting thing to make fun of him about. Because like you said, it's a dumb thing to even say. Right. So I want to talk about a few things from this article specifically. The first thing I want to talk about is this idea that he goes back to time and again that the truth, and this is sort of a broad kind of summarization, right? So he has this kind of idea that there are essential truths about our nature about what is um in our character as people that can be found by studying allegory fairy tale stories sort of like the the kind of the bible on everybody the bible right which he fucking loves and he thinks there's you know he thinks there's a god he talks about spirituality this is a guy who does not, he's not a pretend,

he's not an atheist. He's not an atheist. And he's not a, he is constantly trying to inject this thought into everything he does. So it permeates everything he talks about. And I got to say, like, you know, I mean, as a man who's studied English literature, and I do believe that stories are powerful.

I do. studied English literature and I do believe that stories are powerful. I do. And I talk a lot about telling stories in terms of using stories as ways to understand ourselves, as ways to understand our culture. But where I differ is that I think stories reflect who we are, not who we are supposed to be. And that is a difference and a problem that I have with Peterson, is that he seems to be suggesting that because these allegories and these stories and these sort of narrative tropes all have these kind of thematic threads that run through them, which are, you can find these commonalities and links that they reveal a truth, not only about who we are, but that who we are is who we should be, right?

And I hear that, and it's like, you're confusing the present with the optimal. You're confusing what we are with what we have to be or what we should be. And that's such a denial of progress. And it's such a retrograde way of thinking. And it's done, I think, purposely in order to kind of give validation and verification to an outmoded way of thinking. He's sort of saying like, it's okay if you have a 1940s way of thinking about men and women and the roles of people in the world. It's okay because lots of other people have thought that way too. other people have thought that way too.

And so if you are Mayberry style thinking, if you've got this sort of, you know, pre-World War II style of thinking, that's okay. Because lots of other people have also been ooking and aking. They also have that same style. Right.

So he's just, all this is is an appeal to popularity dressed up in kind of this half-assed literary critique yeah and it's lame and it's fucking transparent and it's like and i remember i remember when i was in school i remember i had this i had this total hard-ass professor and you'd i'd write these papers and i would draw all these comparisons and i would you, I'd pour all this energy into this thing and I'd hand it in and I'd be like, ah, I teased a lot on that.

And she'd write at the end, so what? She wouldn't argue with any of the points I'd made, but if you don't draw a conclusion from those points, if you don't move the ball forward, you haven't done anything interesting. And he's not doing anything interesting. All he's doing is providing with, providing the people who like these ideas

with the authority to think these are good ideas. And it's an appeal to popularity by saying, look in this audience, they all think this way too. We must be right because there's so many of us. It's got to be right. You know, one of the things that he does too is there's a lot of strawmanning that he does. He builds a world. He builds this world where he says, and you know, one of the first things he says

is that chaos is feminine, right? So he's building on these blocks of women are weak, chaos is feminine. Men are more powerful. Men should be in charge because they're better at it. Men are the keepers of ideas. Men are the keepers of order. Yeah. And so he has these things that he's building on,

but it's all just garbage. It's all just false. But then he starts drawing these conclusions later. And if you allowed the stuff earlier, now you're sort of stuck, right? You're like, oh, well, and I feel like a lot of these,

a lot of these things that people are, when they go to see him talk, they buy this other stuff. Cause like you say, it has this truthiness to it, right? That's all it is. Like, oh yeah, women are nurturing and evil. I don't know what he's saying at these things, right?

I don't know what he's saying. I've. I don't know what he's saying. I've only listened to a little bit of what he said and I've read this article. So I'm not going to say I'm a total, somebody who has studied this guy completely. And I will recognize that every single person that's ever defended this guy has said, has basically used the, well, if you haven't listened to his entire canon of everything he's ever said, then you can't ever criticize a single word he said. Bullshit. There's plenty of quotes in this article

that are abhorrent. And I want to read one of them to you right now. He says, violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married.

And so he's talking about insoles and he's talking about enforced monogamy. And he talks a lot of times in all the stuff he talks about is how, you know, entitled women are, entitled women are. How entitled are men if they just expect somebody to be their bride against their wishes? Well, how fucking unbelievably entitled is that well and what what is the it it it's comically poorly thought out right because um in his in his fucking crazy diametric worldview right like women are the the women are representative of chaos but but like, what is more chaotic than this sort of random violence of a group of disaffected, you know, loners, right?

You know, the idea that like, we should, as a society, we should give shitty men, women as if they were chattel, as if they were property. They're just property. In order to make men less prone to violence, that is a crazy person's way to think. That is a crazy solution. That is a solution that blames.

And the other thing he talks about, and it's so funny, he talks about, look, if we continue down this path, and I'm summarizing a little bit, but not much. If we continue down this path we have, women are going to go to men who have high status. And men who don't have high status won't get women. And as a result, you know, they will be angry and disaffected. 50% of the population. I don't understand what he's talking about. Yeah. Right. Like the high status guys have harems of hundreds of thousands of women. Is that how this works? I don't know, but like he he's got this idea. This is classic incel thinking, right? That, you know, only that it is the fault of sort of high status men for taking all the women.

This is the same thing as like the black guys are going to get all your white girls, right? Right. This is a fear monger. And it also is like, it takes the responsibility frankly it takes the responsibility away from the individual to just be attractive and like he denies the idea that like that there are many ways to be attractive in this world right right that there are a lot of different ways to attract the other sex and we have a responsibility if we want to attract people to do the work, to be attractive, whether that means to be attractive in terms of, you know, our looks or our status or our, you know, personality or, you know, many of the all of the different characteristics. Yeah. But like, but like, let's be honest about these things. Right. But let's be honest about these things, right? Like, we should do the work to put out signals that are attractive to the opposite sex.

It's just a big peacock thing. Right. We're just frogs croaking in the dark. It's a tiny peacock, but I understand. I get it. It's a peahen. I get it. It's not a cock.

But like, it... That intimidates my penis when you call it a cock. So it gets afraid. It's one feather. It's like, no. It's just one. Don't you call me that. Is that actually a dream catcher?

That's a lot more aggressive than I actually am. Don't put that kind of pressure on me because I can't put any pressure on anything else. You know, it's interesting too because it makes it seem like one, there is, like you said, there is only one kind of attractiveness for men and that's high status, meaning high status jobs.

That's what it sounds like anyway, like you make a lot of money. I don't know how you get a high status looks. I don't know how that works, right? Well, I don't, I don't, I don't think that that makes sense. If you use the term high status, you mean something like power or money. And most of those times those two are linked. But what does that make women? It's saying that all they care about is one thing. All they care about is a single thing, period. They are so

basic and so uninterested in other things, and they're so easily won over. And they're so, I mean, clearly non-thinkers because they just don't, they who don't do the work of finding ways to attract a mate still somehow get one. He just wants to redistribute the wealth of partnership. It's a good way to put it. It's like a Marxism for...

It's super weird. It's super, super, super weird. It's a way for him to appeal to a base of people who don't take care of themselves and are as a result unsuccessful with other people socially. And to pat them on the back and to say the fairy tales all agree with you and I'm sorry and here's what we should do is we should create this sort of market wherein we give you get a woman and you get a woman and you get a woman and you get a woman

and he's not even indirect about that he very much comes out and says yeah well why do you think these guys are shooting up the whatever it's because they can't get a chick. And what does that say about guys, too, where it's just like... It's just awful. It's just awful all around. It's the

worst view of humanity because you're a guy who's, first off, unappealing, right? And whether that's... Like we said, there's many avenues to be appealing and you're choosing to be unappealing in every single one, right? And so you're unappealing and you're choosing to be unappealing in every single one. Right, yeah. And so you're unappealing

and you are such a shitty person that because you're frustrated with your own inadequacies, you will hurt and injure other people. So our job in society is to placate you. Yeah, all right. You know, we're supposed to placate this person who's such a shitty, garbage person

who's going to injure other people because they're mad about how the world's treated them. What does that say about God, too? And there's a great example of that in this article where one of his supporters, you know, says,

and the guy's 25 years old, the guy quoted in this article, he says, my mom's been on my case for a long time to clean my room. And it wasn't until I went and saw this lecture by Jordan Peterson that I realized that cleaning my room was just a another way to take control of my life. And so I started cleaning my room and I thought, you're a 25-year-old man who lives with his mom and can't even be bothered to perform basic household hygiene.

You're exactly... Like, there is... The problem isn't women. The problem is you are unattractive. Yeah. Like, you're not putting in the effort. There's an idea that like that we should just be accepted without any effort. And you don't get anything worthwhile without effort except for in this worldview.

Yeah, in this worldview. This is a worldview where men are granted women without effort. And that is like insanely misogynistic. Yeah. is like insanely misogynistic. It's insanely misogynistic. And this motherfucker makes like 80 grand a month. He's the incel Tony Robbins. He is. Yeah, man.

He's fucking, he's out there with his like little mic on. I had no idea it was so bad. Dude makes fucking fatty banks. I had no clue. And we talked earlier, neither of us begrudge him the money. We begrudge that he's spreading horrible shitty ideas

and reinforcing insult ideas. Yeah, this is exact. Like, this guy is literally what's wrong with the world, and he's selling it as patting you on the head and saying, don't fix your personal inadequacies. It's the world that'sacies. It's the world.

That's the world. Let's fuck. I'll fuck anything that moves. This is the fucking craziest shit. This is from right wing watch Mueller accuser. Jack Berkman promoted baseless conspiracy theories, accused chief justice Roberts of using opioids. This guy's awesome.

This guy is insane. So this is like SafeWire? Is that what it was called? What is it called? It's Surefire. Surefire. It's called Surefire Intelligence. He created this thing called Surefire Intelligence.

And as a part of that, he was caught trying to find women that he could pay off who would create a claim that Robert Mueller sexually assaulted them. When all of this kind of came to light, one of my favorite parts of the story is when they started sleuthing back what surefire was, the phone numbers eventually go back to his mom's voicemail. His mom's voicemail. And they started doing reverse image searching and they found like a bunch of models for the people that work there. The CEO. And it's like some model.

Yeah. One of the things that I thought was great was there was a video press conference that they held today. And they get one point, a couple people ask questions the entire time. First off the entire time, one of these guys has this fly down.

So that's the first thing. What are your questions? If you're a quarterback, X, Y, Z. I have a question. Does it have to if you're recording? Like, X, Y, Z. I have a question. Does it have to breathe all the time?

It's not so much a question as a statement. It is not that cold in here. Just throw that out there. I have a statement as well. I don't think you're happy to see me. But he basically. Your penis is very small. Okay, that was less. That was a little on the nose there

was there's a point where he the one one of these guys and i don't remember what they asked gets thrown out of the room uh because they ask a question or say something um oh yeah at one point the the older guy comes over and starts talking about the younger guy and the older guy is saying oh he's like a child this kid's like a child prodigy. He's done more in his life than Mozart did or something like that is what he says. And somebody in the back

of the room says, yeah, he couldn't even figure out how to start an E-Trade account or something like that is what he said. I don't know what that referenced. But as soon as he said it, they called security

to escort this reporter out. And then the last, one of the last things that happens is one of the last questions shouted to them, and I played this for Tom earlier last, one of the last things that happens is one of the last questions shouted to them and I played this for Tom earlier, is one of the reporters screams out from the back, are both of you ready for

federal prison? And they answer the question with, no, we're not ready. We are not ready for federal prison. Not yet. It's funny because, you know, you go to Reddit and Reddit is a very, I'm sure male dominated thing

because, you know, you see what's upvoted and it just makes sense that it would be very male dominated. But whenever there's a woman who has falsely accused a guy and they've accused a guy of sexual assault and they get caught and then of sexual assault and they get caught

and then it comes out and then they get charged. Go to the comment section. First off, it's the number one upvoted thing on Reddit for like two weeks straight. Like it never gets a single downvote, right? And one of the things that happens is you start scrolling through the comments

and the comments are all, they should put Locker up for twice as long as the guy was going to get locked all, they should lock her up for twice as long as the guy was going to get locked up. They should lock her up forever. They should lock her family up. They should cut out her vagina. They should make a bigger vagina out of her vagina. The comments are the worst.

They're the worst. And so you read through and you're just like, holy shit, these people fucking are super mad. But look at this, right? Like, look at what's happening here. You have these guys that are fabricating a rape charge. Right. They're fabricating this thing.

And the women won't go along with it. That's the other thing. Like, the women are like, I'm not going to do that. There's something in it for them, right? There is a clear benefit. The amount of money that they offered was like $20,000. They have, there's something in it for them, right? There's a, there is a clear benefit. The amount of money that they offered was like 20 or $50,000 or something. I don't know exactly.

It's in the tens of thousands of dollars that they were offered. According to one, one of these women. That's a lot of money. Yeah. Well, but this whole thing, when I read this,

I was like, this speaks to the difference between an allegation and a credible allegation. Right. And like, there is still a contingent of people that do not understand that. Like, especially with this high profile kind of shit, Robert Mueller be really high profile.

Like that's not a guy you accuse lightly. Right. Right. Be like, I'm just going to call all of my friends at the FBI. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

But like, there is a difference between an allegation, a credible allegation. Like nobody with any sense is confusing or conflating the two. So like any attempt to say that all allegations are the same, that all allegations are treated as credible in the same way. This is literal proof that that's not the case. That there is a difference between an allegation and a credible allegation.

A credible allegation has been vetted in some way, and usually in pretty strict and stringent ways, and in genuinely honest, intellectually, and investigatively honest ways. I'll bet you, do you want to, and I'm sure this happened, somebody probably checked out Christine Blasey Ford's

bank account when they vetted her. Right? For big deposits. For a big deposit, right? Within the last five, six years or something like that, they probably checked. I'm almost positive they would have. There doesn't seem like any reason why they wouldn't. That seems like a perfectly rational, valid thing to do.

To double check to see if there's some big, crazy deposit into her account. It makes sense. It just makes sense to do. Because of the see if there's some big, crazy deposit into her account. You know, it makes sense. It just makes sense to do. Because of the high profile nature of what was going on. Absolutely. You know, you hear

how these people talk about, and this press conference that they released today, listen to how they talk about Christine Blasey Ford. Listen to what they have to say about her. They're clear misogynists

in the way they talk about her. Absolute misogynists. And then the way they talk about their allegations, these reporters, they don't give up. They keep on pointing out that like you're doing the exact same thing. You you went after Christine Blasey Ford for for going to the media. You're holding a press conference. Do you like to fuck?

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Gab, the social media platform that used to be, where anti-Semites and white nationalists have free reign. So, what... Jesus Christ. Fucking screencap. Wait, is this... That's the CEO? Yeah. Fucking screen cap. Wait, that's the CEO? Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah, some fucking neck beard, fucking baseball cap wearing dipshit. You know what? Okay, so now just focus on this area of his face. The incesty part? Doesn't he look like this part is an alien and this is the antenna for the alien? It does.

If you guys look at this, look at his nose the way his nose... He's got an Alienware thing going on. Yeah, look at the way his nose meets his mouth. Like, there's an unpleasant looking guy. This is the master race, everybody. Behold, the master race. So anyway. Yeah, so what Gab Gab is Gab is basically the

was I'm going to say was because I don't think it exists anymore well let's see Tom we're going to go let's check it out so Gab.com

I bet it's going to work out great oh Gab has spent the last 48 hours proudly working with the Department of Justice and FBI to bring justice oh it's not 48 hours, hon. It's been a

lot longer than 48 hours because that fucking that attack happened on last Saturday or Sunday. So it's been a week. So Gab is still down. Gab's still down. Gab's probably not coming back up. So Gab is Gab is the social media platform

for all the people kicked off of other social media platforms so pause and think about how bad some of the shit you see on some mainstream social media platforms is they're the guys who can't hack it there right you know what i mean like it's bad it's bad and this is this is part of and cecil you and I talked about this before the show. This is part of that bullshit, hyper free speech, like free speech at any cost, radical free speech, radical free speech, honesty sort of nonsense. If we pretend that there is no social contract around speech and around the exercise of speech. We're lying, right? There is a difference between free speech as defined by governmental interference in our

speech. And I think everybody understands that, right? And free speech that violates the generally accepted social contract, right? So if I just stand on my street corner screaming the N-word, that's perfectly legal. Oh, yeah. It's perfect. But I'm violating some significant social contracts when I do that.

That's going to get you beaten. That's not going to work out well for me. Yeah, it's going to be rough. And not only is it not going to work out well for me, Cecil, it shouldn't work out well for me. And in the modern day

when people can take a video of you, you're fired the next day. And you should be, right? This happens every week there's some racist who gets exposed because they can't control their temper and they can't control themselves and they flip their shit on the street and they start calling people racial

slurs and they get a video recording and they lost their job, they lost their company, they lost their everything. That happens all the time. You know, I feel like it's only possible that one of two things is true, right? Either the things we say matter and should be taken seriously, or the things that we say don't matter

and nobody should take them seriously. If the things that we say don't matter and nobody should take them seriously, then why do we- Why talk? Gather together in social context, right? So I think that's clearly a stupid concept right i think it's very obvious that the things we say matter socially they have absolutely about

very specific social consequences so this thing like gab is a place for these hate mongers to go and they can all do their five minute fucking hate yeah and it's legal that's the other thing it was legal everywhere anyway. It doesn't matter. Yeah, I know. Yeah. But that's not against their terms of service. Exactly.

So Facebook and Twitter and these other places said, yeah, we like nobody saying you can't say it. I'm just saying you can't say it here. Yeah. So gab was created and gab says, yeah, come on and say it here.

And why is gab down? Gab's down because one of the hateful, And why is Gab down? Gab's down because one of the hateful, hateful members of that group was the anti-Semite who shot up a synagogue this weekend in Pittsburgh. Killed 11 people. 11 people. And right before he did it, he posted to his Gab account something like, I'm tired of the Jews killing everybody. Fuck the optics. I'm going in.

It was, that's, that's a paraphrase, but not by a lot. Sure. You know, and he posted and reposted a bunch of anti-Semitic stuff. Right. He was an anti-Semite. Yeah. And,

and that's what, and that's what he did. He just posted a bunch of stuff that was based on it. And importantly, Gab got removed, not by the government. No. Gab got removed by a private enterprise,

the, the service provider, right? The internet service provider. I think it was GoDaddy. Yeah. GoDaddy said, sorry, we don't want you on us. Go somewhere else.

So here's your server. It's the InfoWars story. We downloaded everything you had. Just go somewhere else. Yeah. Go find someone else. Start your own ISP with hookers and blackjack. Go do that.

I love that there is a social corporate reckoning with hate speech right now. This is all brand new and it's exciting because this is the violation of that social contract, which for a while, there was kind of a Deadwood thing going on on some social media platforms. It was kind of this no rules, wild West kind of thing, do which, and like, I think collectively we've all decided like, Oh,

that's terrible here too. Like we don't want that in our restaurants and our bars and our neighborhood associations. We don't, we don't accept that. We don't accept it in our online spaces anymore. Yeah. Mostly online spaces that most people, it's wonderful. And anymore either. Yeah, mostly online spaces that most people don't accept. I think it's wonderful.

And the reason why those online spaces that don't accept it are thriving and flourishing and have, you know, billions of people. I don't know how many people are involved, but, you know, hundreds of millions, let's say, are involved in those social media. Because it's not, it's, and I say these words knowing that they have a context, but it's a safe space. It's a space where I shouldn't have to see it and I don't have to see it. And I think that's why they flourish. They flourish because of that. I would gather that Gab was certainly not rivaling Twitter in users, right? Because people came and they're like, gosh, this is what a garbage place. You know, a while back, Reddit did the same thing.

Reddit had this thing called, where they took the Donald, which is a subreddit that they have there that talks about Donald Trump and basically just lets Donald Trump ejaculate on their faces of all the people who subscribe. And they changed the algorithm because everybody in the Donald would just upvote everything, period. Didn't matter what it was. They would upvote it a million times and then

they would get their bot accounts to come in and upvote everything. And so there was just, you know, tons and tons and tons of upvotes on these things. More upvotes than other subreddits would be able to generate. Even large subreddits wouldn't be able to generate or keep up with as many upvotes as they were getting because they were using these bot accounts to only upvote. There was never any downvotes. It was just this. They just had this.

They were hacking the algorithm. They would shoot stuff up to the very front page with all the Donald stuff. It was covering the front page. I actually hid all that stuff during, during the election last time. Cause I was just like, I just can't deal with this.

I'll go to visit it to see what they had to say for like a week, but I'm not going to see it every day. It's just too much. And so they changed the algorithm that no, that doesn't work like that anymore. And a bunch of people on the Donald got pissed and a bunch of people in other areas got pissed and they wound up taking down some other subreddits.

I remember at one point, some people took down some subreddits. They took out a few subreddits before and I don't remember what they were about. I want to say they might've been the insult stuff. Like maybe they took down like an insult one or something like that. And then they also took down another one

where they were making fun of fat people. And they took these out and a bunch they were making fun of fat people. Um, and they, they took these out and a bunch of people were like, fuck you. I'm leaving. I'm going to vote. And it's V O a T is what it's called. And it's basically Reddit.

It's the same thing, same system, but they didn't have any terms of service. They didn't have any rules. Well, it's, it's just a, I mean,

yeah, there's people there, but it's rink and ink by comparison, but it's tiny wants to go there first off i don't want to go start a new whole new thing but then secondly i don't want to see you there right like i don't want to go read yeah aren't fat people funny i don't want to read that like i don't care like yeah you think fat people are gross great go think that nobody's stopping you from thinking that. You can think that all you want. Go do it. But the thing is,

is that in some ways, we were talking about it earlier, there's this real big conflict between these people. And the conflict is in their, you know, it's sort of this cognitive dissonance because on the one side,

they want this total free speech, but they also want total free markets. And this is a market response. And it is a market response. And it is a market response. And so it's that moment where they're just like, I don't know what to do. Freedom, freedom, freedom, freedom.

And then they just freeze like fucking Westworld. You got to pull their face off and work on them. I love that this kind of nonsense is getting pushed further and further into the periphery in sort of the larger online spaces. One thing that does make me concerned, though, is that, and I don't know what the solution, I don't even know if there is a solution for it, but like, we're in a place now, which I think we've not been in ever before, where you can have a very very niche minority viewpoint that that is shared by less than half a percent of the population right an incel hate-filled anti-semitic kind of viewpoint right and you can find a place online where it looks like hundreds of thousands of people agree yeah they might agree with you and that that's that's very validating to that set of views.

Whereas if you were just out and about in the real world, you would not find any home for those views. You would find nothing but challenge, right? If I take those views out into the real world, those views would be constantly under a microscope. They wouldn't be welcome. They would be challenged regularly. But you can take them into these dark corners and you can have them amplified and magnified and reassured. And, you know, I don't know how that part, that's the next

part that's got to get fixed somehow. That said, I'm fucking thrilled that we're actually like, that there is this social reckoning. I'm beyond thrilled. As somebody who's, you know, spoken before about my concerns around social media, and I don't use social media anymore.

I've stopped using it because I have a lot of concerns about it. But like, I wonder if it will become a space that, that I can look at again at some point and re-engage. I don't know. But I, I look at this and I'm like, there's a social reckoning and it's about fucking time. I think it's great. I, I want to circle back to one of the things that you were talking about there about, you know, amplifying voices when you're in that group. You know, I had a conversation today talking about this in particular and this synagogue shooting when they murdered 11 people in the Pittsburgh synagogue. And I was talking to the person today and I was like, you know, I just, growing up, antisemitism to me always felt like something antiquated.

Yeah, me too. It never felt like a real, like, and I don't want to come off as somebody who's like, because clearly I'm naive and I'll admit that, right? I'll admit that. Yeah. I'm also living in a liberal bubble most of my life in Illinois. Again, so I admit those things. That's a privilege of mine.

With relatively few Jews, too, by comparison to New York, for example. Yeah, so I am definitely saying that I am privileged in the sense that I didn't have to see that. I saw plenty of people of color racism growing up. That was something that I was witness to

many times. But racism against Jews was something that was just so rare to me. It's just, I, I, it was something I would never even consider. Nobody even ever, ever really talked about the Jewish faith or Jewish culture that never, ever really came up. I, you know, I think once in a while I would see, you know, Hanukkah or happy Hanukkah and be like, oh, I guess that's their Christmas. Like that. I had no idea. Like literally no idea what it's about. It's like Kwanzaa or something. Like, I don't know. It's like a, it's, it's whatever it is. I don't know what it is, but I never really had

anybody in my life that was, that was Jewish or any of that stuff. And so I remember when I was, you know, just out of high school, I was hanging out with a group of kids. It was like a punk rock, sort of heavy metal group of people. And there was a subsect of that group called Skinheads. And the Skinheads were, they liked the same music.

They shaved their heads. They had swastikas on their shoulders. I was talking about it today and I was thinking, you know, like this feels like my dad's sort of like, you know, when they say like, this isn't your dad's soda or whatever, you know, it's like your dad's like, but this does feel like my dad's like, it does feel like that era's racism. It doesn't feel like because when those kids were around, I never thought they were racist. What I thought they were was trying to be edgy. Right.

I never felt like that's a real racist. That's a that's somebody who's trying to impress his friends by saying, I never felt like that's a real racist. That's somebody who's trying to impress his friends by saying, look at how counterculture I am. Look at how away from, I mean, it's just a peacock game on trying to show people how different you were. Because that is, it's an Olympic sport when you're a teenager

to show people how fucking different you are. And so that's what that was. How are you different? I want to be different the same way. It's exactly. Imitation is the finest word in the library. How are you different? I want to be different the same way. It's exactly... I... Invitation is the finest form of flattery.

Flattery, goddammit. We're all different in this group the same way as the other groups that's different than our group. Shut up! You shut up! But it's... But it was one of those things

that I was thinking about today and I was like, you know, it feels antiquated. It feels weird to me. It feels strange and I wonder if there is something to what you're saying, which is, you know, it is antiquated and weird and nobody does that sort of

thing. And it's not like I'm saying like, like being racist to people of color is a better racism. Okay. So don't, don't, don't misconstrue that by me saying that it's just that I guess I've seen that more. And so it's not like I grant it some level of credibility, but I definitely say I've seen it more. I thought it was more pervasive than anti-Semitism. Right. I'll be honest, like, the whole

idea of anti-Semitism was so foreign to me that when I remember learning about the Holocaust, and I remember being very confused how they knew somebody was Jewish and why people who are Jewish didn't just say, but I'm Christian. It was just a set of ideas. I thought the same thing. So I was like, well, I would just, I would just lie. I would just say I was Christian. I never understood that it was a cultural identity

until distressingly later in my life. When I was in high school and I learned about it, I thought pretty much the same thing. It did not make any sense. I was like, wait, wouldn't you just pretend? I think like the idea of being identifiable as culturally, familially Jewish is something that at least I will say that I had never

been exposed to on a personal level well into my late 20s. Yeah. I don't know if it was that late for me, but yeah. Yeah. But it's an interesting thing that's coming about. And I wonder if there is something to say, you know, like, you know, maybe there are some weird, dark, shitty areas of culture, especially of technology, that allow people to communicate with each other in a way that is hate speech

and gets people sort of like realizing that they're not the one and also being able to pollute people's minds with more and more and more of that hate to cause them to actually commit some sort of violence because they are so afraid or so amped up about it. I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that

when they were in a place like this? They'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks. I love this so much because I don't understand what this means. This is from Right Wing Watch. This is Liz. Ten fingers. Eight fingers.

Croaking. Bombs sent to Democrats may have been a white hat operation huh that's interesting i don't even know what that means let's figure it out here's liz to be completely honest with you this you've never done that once i just want you to know straight up let's never let's be fair i don't think she's lying i just think she's stupid like i think that they're right i think she's stupid. Like, I think that there's... Right. I think she believes it. That does not make it better. And also doesn't make it true. Right, yeah.

It doesn't solve either of these problems. Their false flags are getting so sloppy that... We got to stop, and we got to talk about the mail bomb guy. Okay. Just for a few minutes, just for people. When we recorded last week, there was just mail bombs out.

Right. The guy hadn't been caught yet. Guy got caught Friday during the day. And as soon as they caught him, his truck... Covered in muggers stickers. His fucking van down by the river was covered. Absolutely every single space in every window His fucking van down by the river was covered. Absolutely.

Every single space in every window was covered with like jack off fantasies of Donald Trump. Right. There was one window that had Michael Moore, Hillary Clinton, a couple other people with radicals like target radicals on their face. You know, this guy was, this guy was clearly like,

and he was, and he's, he was in Michaelael moore's movie the uh really they went to they had filmed michael moore went to go film at i don't know what it was called something 11 9 or something or something okay i forget what the new movie is called whatever his new movie is up they went to go film at a trump rally before the election okay and so they went out of their way to uh to film there and they're panning and there's a bunch of people like, fuck CNN, suck my dick, CNN.

It's actually kind of terrifying to watch these people because they're actually kind of scary. They're almost foaming at the mouth, rabidly screaming how much they hate fake news and they hate these people. mouth, like rabidly screaming how much they hate fake news and they hate these people. And this one guy standing there and he's got a sign over his head and it's just as crazy as his fucking window. And he's got it over his head and he's waving it and it is stickered full and tons of fucking like plus signs and a fucking weird equation going on. And he's got it over his head. And this was the guy who they found out mailed a bunch of IEDs to a bunch of Democratic people. And one thing that we talked about last week, and the reason why we didn't bring it up last week is because there was no leads, right?

We didn't know who did it. Well, what the evidence we had was someone was targeting Democrats, right? That was the evidence that we have. That's all we had. But that was it. That's all you had. So it was like, it would have been a story of us saying, someone's targeting Democrats at the end. But we were, I'm certainly not going to come out and be like, it's definitely a MAGA guy because I don't know who was doing it.

You don't know who's doing it. And basically what happened the next day, yeah, it was a MAGA guy. You know, what people thought was true was true. Yeah. It's not always true. It's not always true. And you should wait.

Yeah. And you should wait until you get somebody who's actually done it. Have some evidence before you say it is definitely that guy. And nobody's doing that anymore. There's this rush to judgment. The other side of that is that there was a ton of people saying it's not. it's clearly a false flag. It's so easily seen that it's a false flag. They were pointing to none of the weapons had detonated. The IEDs, none of the IEDs had detonated. They were saying that they didn't even know that they were actually bombs. We don't know,

like a bunch of people said they weren't bombs. Maybe they weren't even functional bombs. They were sent so close to the midterms. They were intercepted before they actually made it to the people on many occasions. All that points to is an incompetent bomb. That's all it does. And also, it points to a competent group of people who are stopping it from getting to the people and making sure they get to it in time. Can we pause and talk about that for a second? to the people and making sure they get to it in time.

Yeah. Can we pause and talk about that for a second? Like, do you think that when you mail something to like Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, that he just goes out to his mailbox and whatever, any asshole dropped in a fucking mailbox arrives at Barack Obama's doorstep? Like he's you. Yeah. He's not you. He ain't you.

You do not matter. Yeah. yeah you nobody knows if you die tomorrow barack obama is barack mcdonald obama he is still protected by a secret service contingent and will be protected by that contingent until he dies and it will not likely be by a mail bomb because people check that shit yeah he's, he's got a whole bunch of illegal immigrants that they walk on his back when he needs it. They taste all the food.

They start his car. You know, like that Monday, Tuesday, Friday, boom. And then they blow up. That's what happens. That's just like Godfather 2 or whatever. Those Hondurans come in handy. That's why happens. That's just like Godfather 2 or whatever. Those Hondurans come in handy. That's why he ordered 1,500 more.

And Amazon doesn't deliver those. No, it's all DoorDash. It's all DoorDash. DoorDash. Bang it on your door and try to run in when you open it. I want to say, though, this is something that sort of broke over the weekend. Right. And so, um, so, but a bunch of people thought that this was a, these, this,

this is clearly a false flag attack. Surprising enough, Ben Shapiro was one of those people who came out and said, no, this is no, it's not a false flag. Don't be ridiculous. Like that's a silly thing to say. And so, um, at least he initially did. I don't know if he did. I don't be ridiculous. Like, that's a silly thing to say. And so, at least he initially did. I don't know if he did afterward. I don't know if he walked it back since. But even, like, the president put bombs in quotes in one of his tweets. Oh, yeah. As if bombs in quotes. And then Ann Coulter was, she said some shit that was, you know, also inflammatory than saying, like, basically saying conspiracy stuff, you know, and just like, well,

that's, you know, these people are, they, they just don't want to believe that somebody on their side is that crazy. Yeah. Well, and, and I, Trump said something, um, and I actually thought he had a good point. He said, you know, don't, don't confuse. And he's right. Don't confuse T's right to a certain degree. Don't confuse a political person with the crazy antics of that person's followers. And he pointed to the guy who shot up that baseball game, who was a supporter of Bernie Sanders. Do you remember that guy? Yeah, I do. And that's fair. um big partly and largely i would say because bernie sanders is not trying to foment division around race and politics and also call for violence i mean there's many times trump has said

go ahead rough that guy up like like there has to be some that's what i mean like there is the difference i think in general i agree with trump's advice. Don't confuse. Don't conflate. It's, you know, a crazy person cannot be said to be acting for Tom, right? Right. Like if you happen to be a Tom fan, I don't know why. If you happen to be a Tom fan, you go do something crazy. You can't be like, Tom's not responsible for that. You would, though, if my message was a violent message.

Right. We are responsible for the content of our messages. Yeah. And when, when our messages are info wars, crazy or Trump divisiveness or violent. And yeah, now all of a sudden we have some responsibility.

Yeah. Yeah. The narratives are falling apart. I mean, I'm on Twitter and I'm reading all these people who are saying, wow, even my liberal friends are saying it's obvious that this is a false flag. So you're on an anonymous network and somebody tweeted something.

And that's a reasonable... It's worse than that. Yeah. She's reading what somebody wrote about a conversation their friend had. Yeah, I guess you're right. It is a little worse. My friend had a conversation with their friend and I read about it. And are you serious with this shit? That is like my brother's secretary's uncle's puppy once told me a story.

Even what's the worst game of telephone? And their false flags are just, they're getting so poorly orchestrated. But they almost seem like not false. It's weird. It's weird. They go out of their way to like dot all their I's and cross all their T's and misspell Wasserman Schultz. And yeah, it's crazy. How many false flags?

Did two false flags equal a positive? I don't know how many that is. I don't know the math on that. It's just common core terrorism. flags equal positive i don't know how many that is i don't know the math on that i'm it's common core terrorism is it a spoonful of pipe bombs which one is it executed that part of me wonders if this is a white hat operation i don't even know what that is what is a white hat operation uh it's when you go into white castle they wear those little teepees on their head and then they serve you a fart burger.

It's just like, those are disgusting. They are not. They are not disgusting when you're drunk. When you are hammered, they are amazing. Unbelievable manna from heaven. They are absolutely the most stunning thing.

But when you're sober, not. You're like, huh, that's more disappointing than I remember when I was drunk. Anytime after 1 a.m.,

particularly if you're, they are, they are amazing. They are amazing. They are fucking money. When you're ravenously hungry, like you say 1 a.m., like let's say you got done

with like a 10 hour shift or something at work, like, you know, like maybe, maybe Maybe even when you would get off of work at Circuit City or whatever, if it's a long day, you go to this place. I know I used to work in a warehouse and we used to go hit White Castle

once a week after work. And you're ravenous from all day. You sit down, it's two in the morning. You worked from 10 in the morning till two and you're just like, oh my God, these are the greatest things ever. But also when you're drunk, amazeballs. The next day, they are like made out of stomach cramps.

If you could eat a stomach cramp. I do remember very clearly the last time I had White Castle, I had more than two. They have like a mascot called Crampy and it's just a hamburger that's doubled over holding itself. It's just, oh God. Crampy. Crampy don't feel

so good. Crampy's got to go to the bathroom again. Yeah. I do. Do you remember the last time you ate them? I do. Everybody does. I do. Yeah. I do. Do you remember the last time you ate them? I do. Everybody does. I do.

Yeah. I was on my way home after a long day out. And it was one of those places. I had skipped dinner and lunch that day. And so it was maybe 10 o'clock at night, late. I wanted to get some food. I stopped. I ordered them.

The first one was okay. But after the first one, there's sort of this film that gets into your mouth. It's like drinking a can. You're just like, why does it taste like the Exxon Valdez? It feels weird. But yeah, I remember I ordered four of them. I had four. I ordered four cheeseburgers.

And I always ask for, I don't like pickle. I know you like them. I'm not a fan of pickles. And I always order all my burgers, no pickles. And I will tell you, I can order a hundred burgers, no pickles. And I will get maybe four without pickles. Every time they don't care. They're just like,

whatever. They'll put extras on. They're just like, they dunk into the juice. And it's the worst when you drive, because when you drive and you're like, you bite into it and like, ah,

and you're pulling the pickle out with your teeth. You got to taste it. And you're like, fuck, that's gross. And soon the, like, but that's the worst.

So they all, I pickle on them, even though I said no. I ate White Castle three homes ago. It was that long ago. Three homes ago. And I remember I ate White Castle. And it was so bad he had to get three homes away. That's what I was going to do.

I had to move towns. Three homes away. That bathroom was just... We have a friend that works for the EPA. She condemned my home for me. She just walks by with the white castle meter and weighs it. Nope. She declared it a brown zone is what I'm saying. Three? What'd you have? Do you remember what you had?

I had a bunch of cheese. I had a party and somebody brought over a bunch of those like a crave case or whatever. And I ate a volume of those because they're white castles. And I called in sick to work. I don't. You don't do that either.

I was like, oh, God. It's Oprah. I went to work when I had meningitis. I had meningitis. I went to work. It's so bad. White Castle made me stay home. You're going to the bathroom.

You're like, I'm going to fill this if I don't flush. Yeah. Like, you're just like, oh. And also, there's been like silly string coming out of me for like 30 minutes. It's like, I'm like a party popper here. I read infinite jest in one sitting. One shitting.

There's an anon that theorized that this is a white hat. Hold on. Did she just say an anon? Hold on. That part of me wonders if this is a white hat operation. There was an anon that theorized that this is a white hat operation. Seriously, she is quoting. I just, there was an anonymous person.

Why even say it then? I don't know. Why even, why even like, and the other thing too is don't say anon because it makes it seem like there's like, that's a person or something. It's just anonymous, man. Just say anonymous because you're trying to make it sound more important than it actually is. It's the least

important thing you can do is listen to somebody that is going to give an anonymous opinion. Wouldn't it be great if QAnon was actually Kofi Anon? Like that. You're just trolling everybody. How amazing.

To get the National Guard and the military in the major cities to not raise too many red flags and not to cause too much chaos. They're already there. Wait, so the mail bombs put those people... So you send a bunch of mail bombs out

and then the National Guard comes out. Why quietly the National Guard the National Guard is just like sorry we've got to go to the post office. The National Guard rolls in in enough force to have some effect right. So I don't know what the multiplier for National Guard is

to affect but I presume it's pretty high but if the National Guard shows up because they're not good with fractions. So, let me tell you, the National Guard... But they're like, okay. There were mail bombs, so... You didn't see these tanks

and armored vehicles. Was there an armed contingent of American troops rolling into our city? There's mail bombs. Oh, I didn't see any. Oh, Jesus. I didn't know. Okay. Well, thank goodness they're here. Because what if there was a mail bomb and we didn't shoot it with a missile? Could you imagine what would happen if we didn't have that Humvee out here?

That mail bomb might explode. With that.50 cal on it? Right. Oh, man. Thank goodness. God bless America. You know what? Cover something in a bald eagle for me. I'm too much concerned to prepare people for the mass arrest.

I mean, this truly is a deep state false flag. It is so poorly done. Maybe it's because he couldn't spell Wasserman Schultz. Maybe that's an indictment on... All you have to do is just kind of look. Did you see his internet search history? No. It's like Barack Obama's address. Hillary Clinton's address.

Him. H-I-M-E address. Like he misspelled home and like, I mean like it's the most, like there's all these. He's a semi-ate and he still had all the, the mailing labels on his computer and shit. Like the guy's really bad. And I get it.

Right. A lot of people are like, how could you be this stupid? And you're like, yeah, well only a really stupid person is going to actually send former like presidents and country leaders and secretaries of state

and current congresspeople mail bombs. It's a stupid thing to do. It's just a stupid thing to do. They have a metal detector that's going to be able to detect what's in there. They run that shit through a fucking radio thing or whatever. The waves, as

the coach would have said, waves the waves are all over and so what they have is one guy at the post office who ate an aluminum sandwich and he's the detective there's just one guy who just squeezes everything i have to replace his hands don't squeeze the sherman yeah mr Whipple. He's now a postal worker. Here lies Mr. Whipple. He squoze the shaman. I know Q says these people are stupid, but it's so hard for me to believe that they're that stupid.

These bombs didn't even go through the postal system. And they didn't have... Yeah, they did. Some of them did. Yeah, they did. And then also some of them were hand-delivered too, which is why I think they caught them pretty quickly. The postage stamps on them and

they were apprehending bombs that hadn't even been shot. They're apprehending bombs like a bomb with handcuffs. Come out with your hands up, bomb! I want you to kneel on the ground, pipe bomb! Was it a boomba? Is that just trying to... I want you to kneel on the ground. Pipe bomb. What are they?

Was it a, was it a boom buzz that they're just trying to get back slowly toward me. One hand on your head. The other one rubbing your stomach. Shift. Yeah. But how did, how did they even know that these bombs had been sent?

I mean, the whole narrative, how do you know the bombs have been sent? How do we know things are true, Tom? Oh, my God. It was falling apart before it even started. And part of me just can't believe that these people are that stupid.

I don't know if she's my favorite, but she's not not my favorite. That's demonic, everybody. It is absolutely demonic. This is right wing watch. This is also on the mail bombs. This is Lance Wallnew. Wall now?

Well now. Weighing in. Mail bombs were a demonic attempt to dissuade Christians from voting Republican. I don't even know. All right, this is Lance. All right. And so now Christians are coming under the embarment of a manipulated demonic news cycle

because of... Coming under the embarment? I want to hear him say, this is his picking a patch of pickled peppers moment or whatever. He wrote this or decided he can't even pronounce this and so now christians are coming under the bombardment of a manipulated demonic news cycle because what is he trying to say i would like a transcript what is he trying to say you think i think you say

that christians are coming under a bombardment of a manipulative news cycle. Embarment? But he can't say what he thinks he's saying right now. Let me listen to him. It's so good. I want to transcribe it a little bit. Alright, here we go. And so now Christians are coming under the bombardment of a manipulated demonic news cycle. Christians are coming under an embarment of a coming under...

It's amazing. And so now Christians are coming under the bombardment of a manipulated demonic news cycle because, of course, the devil is the master of propaganda, and he must get control of the apparatus of American government. He has to. Pause it. Pause it.

Just behind him on his whiteboard, it just says goats. It says all nations something. Sleep, maybe? I don't know. It says goats. There's a, maybe? I don't know. It says goats. There's a line coming from goats. Maybe. Okay, we start at goats, and that's our presupposition.

Maybe they're listing the greatest of all time. Maybe there's just a whole list of greatest of all time people. Or all the goat. Are you like, let me diagram this out for you. See, we start with goats. I love these guys. It's kind of sad. Goats.

Goats. And then he looks at the audience and just faints what if somebody opens an umbrella now i know what you're thinking the media right wrong i like to think that everything that every single moment of punctuation any kind of wild gesture gets pointed at goats. Oh, it's amazing.

All right. So I still didn't understand the second part. I got to play it again. Oh, yeah. Let me just start. And so now Christians are coming under the bombardment of the manipulated demonic news cycle because, of course, the devil is the master of propaganda. And he must get control of the apparatus of american government he has to wait of course the devil is the master propaganda and he has to get a hold of the apparatus of government

because he's the master of propaganda or that's what he uses to get control of the apparatus of american government aren't these the same people who think that liberals are the weakest people but also in control of everything? There's always this... Yeah, it's because the devil... The end. Goats! Goats!

And so you have the news cycles. You have the news cycle about the crazy stripper in Florida who's bombing people with 13-pipe bombs, which you're not hearing. The bombs were designed in such a way that they really wouldn't go off. A stripper in Florida?

He was a male stripper. Oh, was he? Yeah, he was a male stripper. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Huh. He's just a male stripper. When they show him holding the sign over his head,

you're like, that dude's got some guns. Oh, okay. He was diesel. He's a pretty big guy. All right. He also had like a shoeshine haircut. Like his haircut is like dyed in. Like it was really strange looking.

Like look at a couple pictures of this guy. He's really, huh? You know, he's kind of weird. No. That's strange. Wait. You would think he would be normal. The guy with a goat.

He's a weregoat. He's a weregoat. A sentiment to send a message. They're being presented. Or maybe he's just incompetent. Like, you know, like the other option is he's incompetent and doesn't know how to make a pipe gun. That's a possibility, too. It's also possible that he was just trying to scare people. Yeah.

Like, it's possible that, like, he just wanted to scare the hell out of people. Yeah. And it's possible that like he just wanted to scare the hell out of people. Yeah. And it's also possible that he doesn't know what he's doing. Yeah. And it's also possible that maybe they were functional because they have been treating them as, and I read an article after the fact that said that they considered them live explosives. Right. So, you know, there is like, you know, look, I haven't been able to find an article after

the fact that says they were definitely bombs, but I know that they treated them like they were bombs. So there were all these high-tech explosive devices that they don't bother to say. How could somebody be sophisticated enough to create 13 bombs, get home addresses for these people, and not one of them goes off even in a mailbox? Well, they were all sent. He's so sophisticated that they didn't go off in the wrong place? I guess, yeah. Because, you know, if you build a mail bomb, it's not to blow up a mailbox. Yeah, or a mail worker.

Right, if you blow up a mailbox, you're an idiot with an M-80. That's all you are. You're a teenager with an M-80. And I like this idea that he's putting forth that like building a bomb is so hard to do. It's not hard to do. Shit blows up. Like you can just go buy a bunch of fucking black powder and put a bomb together. And that's legal to buy.

Yeah. You can buy Tannerite and shoot it as a recreational thing. Like shit that blows up is not hard to come by. Yeah. The mail bombs put together by a mail stripper. That makes sense. They're just bombs. It's just bombs. Yeah, you cross

multiply for the male and it's just bombs. What if his stripper name was just Da Bomb and he was confused? He just got all mixed up. Ladies, welcome to the stage. TNT everybody. He's dynamite. Watch him

explode, ladies. The processing centers, they weren't sent to personal addresses. You know why? Because processing centers... I thought you just said he got all their addresses. He just said...

He literally just said it. He literally just said moments before. And you know why they're sent to processing centers? So they can be processed, baby? By goats? Hmm? Hmm?

Can pick them up and find them. And the bombs themselves were not designed really to hurt you. The guy goes, the only sentence he said before the Lord shut him up is I never wanted to hurt anybody. They weren't designed to really go off.

Before the Lord shut him up. The Lord shut him up? The Lord was like, quiet down. Don't wait for your, wait for your attorney now. I know the demon's done made you did it. It's all part of our little cosmic

chess games we're playing, but wait for your attorney. But you won't hear that. What you're going to see is stickers all over the place about his van. The guy who was doing the pipe bombs was possessed. Just like the guy who went into the synagogue is possessed. Just like anybody who appears to be on the right who behaves badly.

We can say those guys are all possessed. They were possessed by goats. Right. Makes sense. But the principalities and powers are desperate to try to kill the momentum of people that are in the movement that are helping Donald Trump withstand the destruction of America. And so the media is facilitated and blessed by cycles of demonic manifestation because they will spin it in order to discourage good people.

What in the fuck does that mean? Can I hear that little last five seconds again? I literally, I'm not even playing. What the fuck does that even mean? The people that are in the movement that are helping Donald Trump would stand the destruction of America. And so the media is facilitated and blessed by cycles

of demonic manifestation because they will spin it in order to discourage good people from feeling confident about supporting their cause. Wait, okay. So I'll go, okay, okay, okay. What if there's a guy,

let's say I'm a Trump supporter. Let's say I'm a goat and a Trump supporter let's say i'm a goat and a trump supporter let's say both of those i don't yeah let's just say that's a little redundant phrase actually so let's say i ate my maga hat and i'm just having lunch of maga hats and tin cans like to do there i am standing precariously on something high and I'm getting ready. I'm getting ready to vote. Do I stop and change my vote because somebody mailed mail bombs? I don't. I don't think I do. And I don't think that energizes any party. And I don't think it was, you know, they made it seem like the one of the one of the narratives that they're trying to pull that the other side is

trying to say is that that's false flags. They're trying to make it look like they're a victim or something it's like no a victim of what victim of some guy like you know like i don't understand it's not i don't think that's gonna motivate any base like no base out there is gonna be like the mail bombs quick get me to the pallet box i've gotta cast my vote to stop the mail bombs from happening did we vote for mail bombs? Check, check proposition. Boom. What did I check for mail bombs? What would that do? It doesn't even make any sense.

I feel like if there was a referendum called, should we send mail bombs to people? People still wouldn't vote out more than 67% of the time. Yeah, no, it still wouldn't turn out. And there would be a huge protest. Well, I wasn't really, I wasn't really motivated by any of the bombs. You know, like I really didn't feel inspired by any of those explosives. Yeah. I, I, I just don't understand what, what the, the cause.

And I, I understand, I understand there are some people who are saying, and we even said it to, to a degree that, you know, we need to, they need to tone down that violent stuff because if they keep on like spouting violence, people will be violent. But I don't know that that's going to change anybody's mind on

their side and on voting. Look, if you're right, you're right. If you're left, you're left. I don't think anybody is going to look and say, well, somebody with a bunch of bumper stickers mailed a couple of fucking crazy people bombs. So like my politics have suddenly changed. It doesn't change. You know what, it turns out abortion is wrong.

Yeah, exactly. No one's doing that, right? This is a zero issue on anybody's ballot. Nobody is pro-mail bombs. It's not like- Or the synagogue shooter, the same thing, right? Everybody hates that guy. Nobody is like, man, gosh, you know, this guy was a hateful dude.

You know, it's funny too, because a bunch of people people were pointing to it and saying he didn't like Donald Trump. He was he was attacking Donald Trump. And I'm like, who cares what he liked and disliked? I don't care. Like fucking Oreo cookie ice cream. Who the fuck cares? He's a fucking asshole who hates other people so much he has to shoot. What the fuck?

Like what? Why would I care whether he hated or that's not going to change it? But he's a right. Why does his opinion have more weight? Because he backed it up with cowardly violence, right? Like, shooting a bunch of unarmed people does not lend his voice credibility or weight. It's not like I'm like, well, now let's hear from him. He might have something I haven't...

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