Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 451: Fence Erectile Dysfunction

Episode Date: January 7, 2019

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We bring critical thinking, skepticism, and irreverence to any topic that makes the news, makes it big, or makes us mad. It's skeptical, it's political, and there is no welcome mat. This is episode 451. And Cecil, I have a question, man. What? It's 2019. Yeah? It's 2019. Yeah. It's 2019.

Do you have any resolutions? Resolutions. Resolutions. I was talking to somebody about this the other day. I'm feeling resolute. That's my... And one of the things that people do is they set this arbitrary date to decide to improve yourself.

Yeah. When you could just do it whenever. No. No. That's okay. All right. All the fun just left the room. I'll tell you what I'm going to do. Hold on.

That was the fun leaving the room right now. I know what my resolutions are going to be. I know what it's going to be. I'm going to check Facebook more. And retweet things. Oh, God. That is a great plan.

What about you? You got a plan? Well, you know, I mean, I don't know if you heard, but in my intro, I changed the intonation of my... I was going to mention it, and then I didn't want to make it weird. You know, I'm trying to be less predictable. I'm the wild card.

Are you the wild card? Are you the wild card? Well, he's the wild card for Citation Need. I thought, this show needs a wild card. Are you the wild card? Are you the wild card? Well, he's the wild card for Citation Need. I thought this show needs a wild card. Does it? Okay. And so I subtly changed some of the intonations of my intro. Are you the wild card like poker wild card or are you like the Uno wild card?

Which one is worse? I don't know. I don't know either. I don't know. I'll tell you what. I can't draw four. I'm 40. Draw four.

Draw four. Draw four. Four'm 40. Draw four. Draw four. Four is big. Four. Four? Four is diesel. Four. I could get maybe four fingers.

Well, happy new year to everybody. Happy new year to everybody. 2018 was a hell of a year. 2018 was a hell of a year. 2016 still goes down as I think one of the worst years. 2016 was a shitty year. It was one of the worst years ever. 2016 was a dumpster fire.

It was so bad. 2017 won great. I had a good 2018. You did, but a lot of people did not. I know. I will admit. My personal 2018 scores in the top. A lot of people didn't. 2018 kind of sucked politically.

2019, I've been reading a ton of stuff. I'm scared for 2019. I've been reading a lot of stuff that basically says they're expecting something big to happen with the Trump thing pretty soon. I read an op-ed that was interesting that I thought like, oh, that's an exciting prediction. It's just a bullshit op-ed prediction, right?

So I'm not pretending it's otherwise. It's like a Lance Well exciting prediction. It's just a bullshit op-ed prediction, right? So I'm not pretending it's otherwise. It's like a Lance Wellen prediction. Maybe a little, but a little. All right. Yeah. But anyways, he said, you know, 2019 might see Trump agree to vacate office in exchange for immunity for him and his family. Him and his family, yeah.

And I thought, oh, he doesn't care about his family that much. I thought, I know, I know. I kind of thought the same thing. Like, oh, man. 2019 is going to be interesting. I do think we'll be in a recession. I feel very confident that we'll be in a recession. I'm nervous, very nervous, actually, about 2019

in terms of what it means for the financial prospects. Will we have a wall at the end of 2019? A fence? Did you say fence? I said a wall. I think you said fence. A wall. Fence. Build the fence. That doesn't sound as good. It doesn't sound as good. That sounded a little better.

The first word is better. I like erectile dysfunction. We have erectile dysfunction on our fence. We had a brand new bunch of freshman congressmen and women sworn in. Oh, you can tell because you hear them throwing pennies at them. Yeah. Whipping pennies. Somebody dumped their books in the hall.

They gave them a wedgie in the quarters. He's dumped in a fucking locker in the... One of them walks in with a swirly. He's telling the principal and everybody. But yeah, so we had a brand new freshman class sworn in. And, you know, it's interesting. One of the things that I saw in a couple of places was they were saying the era of divided government begins is what they said in a couple of places. And I'm thinking begins. Wait, where the fuck have you been, pal?

That's also the word I seized upon. Begins? pal that's also the word i seized upon that sentence begins oh as opposed to the bipartisan unitarian like yeah utopia we've been enjoying yeah the every these many years yeah the every day they sit down and sing kumbaya together the fuck where have you been to say it begins divided government begins but they did swear in a brand new bunch of Congress people. And there's images of them, Tom, in New York Times. And the diversity on one side and the white maleness on the other. I will say there's a diverse number of eyes on the Republican side.

Not everybody has two eyes. And so that's diverse. Hold on, scroll up a little bit because, you know, there's 10 newly elected senators and this is actually encouraging. So there's three Democrats or seven Republicans.

There are five women. Five women, yeah, half of them. Yeah, that are newly elected. That's great news. Yeah. You know, that is great news, right? There's 101 newly elected representatives.

And, you know, obviously there are more on the blue side than the red side, but the blue side isn't just blue. It's brown and it's white and it's There's a hajib in here. Yeah, it's actually, it's incredibly exciting. Yeah, there's a lot of women.

There's a lot of young people too. Like, look at the age diversity. Yeah, you scroll up and you just see there's just just so many women that are in this freshman class here. And then you look on the other side for the House. I'm going to count the women on the Republican side. Now, again, Tom said there's not as many people on the Republican side, but two? Am I seeing two? Yeah, there's two.

So let's do some basic math. So there's two women. There's 37. So that's 1 16th. Yeah. Right? Yeah, there's two. So let's do some basic math. So there's two women. There's 37. So that's one 16th. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

One 16th. And okay. So there's one 16th of the people on the right are women. Yeah. There is one 37th on the right that are pirates. That dude is a badass. I'm telling you, they got solid snake to run from metal gear salad on the fucking republican side he's turning me into a republican he's also turning me a little

gay i'll be perfectly honest that is badass dude has a eye patch like straight up eye patch because he's a navy seal who lost his eye in combat he lives in a fucking volcano lair somewhere. He's got a straight up black fucking eye patch. He does. He has a pirate eye patch. Would you, if you, all right, if you had to go eye patch. Yes. Yes. Hard yes. Also, I'd wear one of those

tricolor in her hands that pirates wear. I'd lop off one of my hands just to have the hug. Oh, yeah. I'd lop off one of my legs at the peg the hug. Oh, yeah. I'd lop off one of my legs to have the peg. Are you kidding me? I'd get pegged. Sure.

By yourself? By your own leg? I'd get pegged by that guy. I wouldn't say no. Yes, you would. I'd be like, yes, sir. No is not what you say to that guy.

Not to a guy who's willing to loosen high. No. You kidding me? All right. And so the ladies account for one, two, three, 35. More than half, buddy.

Oh, my gosh. 42 total women will join Congress in January. Of those 42 women, four. Four. This would have been easier to do the math off this grid right here. Four of them are Republican. The other 38 are Democrat. If you want to know who represents

like a snapshot of the demography of America, at least for the ones that are newly elected. Now that still is probably much smaller women. Right, when you compare it against them. Because there's still 400 more people or whatever. But look at that trend line. Yeah. That trend line right there.

That's the trend line you should see, right? Oh, about half of us are ladies and about half of us are guys. Yeah, about half of us if you want to be actually fucking represented. Yeah, we need more women's marches, man. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I really feel like this is, and I also think this is directly

a result of Trump and his policies. I totally agree. And his, and his, the way in which he has treated women in the past and the way in which he talks about women currently. When we got true progressives in, yeah. Look at the amount of young people on that.

Oh yeah. Like when you look on the right, there's a lot of like, you know, older white guys. Yeah. You know, you look on the left,

there's still some older white guys, hell of a lot less, a lot of young people. Didn't on the, on the right, didn't they elect a dead pimp? They did in Las Vegas They elected a dead pimp Why are you sticking your hand to make him vote? In the coin slot

What's great is in death he would be the one getting violated You are watching the beginning and the birth in the coin slot. What's great is in death, he would be the one getting violated. You are watching the beginning and the birth of the new world order. And you want to call me crazy? Go to hell. Call me crazy all you want. All right. This is just amazing. This is from HuffPo. Rudy Giuliani goes full conspiracy theorist because he doesn't understand the internet. So this is just like, this is the fucking greatest thing. Rudy Giuliani has Twitter and he does not have the ability to use it properly because he wrote this.

Mueller filed an indictment just as the president left for G20. Now he wrote a period and then did not hit space. Then he wrote in July, he indicted the Russians who would never come here just before he left for Helsinki. Either could have been done earlier or later. Out of control. Supervision, please. So, but the problem is, I don't know. Guy, that's the worst.

He was a fucking mayor, man. I know. Communicate better. Twitter's the worst medium, but also, like, that doesn't even, like, make it two tweets. Yeah, look, if the medium does not allow you to express yourself, use a different medium. Yeah, pick something else. Pick a different thing.

Go to Instagram. Look, man, like, take a picture of your weird, stroked-out face. Not everything has to be a fucking haiku. You know what I mean? Like, just because you can doesn't mean you should. It doesn't mean that's the right way to do it. It's like, I've got to write it 575. Why?

I'm not real sure, but that's the rule. And fuck. Yeah. All right. So he wrote G20 period IN, but it's space. Well, that created a link, right? And so when that created a link, somebody was like, I am buying where this link goes. So they bought it.

They bought g-20.in. Right. And it currently has a blog that just at the very top says, Donald J. Trump is a traitor to our country. And then it's a link to a bunch of Trump stories. Yeah, it's a bunch of Trump stories. If you scroll down, it's just a bunch of Trump stories that have been posted on this. And not like Trump stories like, doing a great job.

Not a picture of him cutting a ribbon. That's for sure. It's not petting puppies. Yeah. So then he doubled Rudy Giuliani instead of being like, oh, that's embarrassing. I should delete my tweet. I should forget that this ever happened. And hopefully everyone else will, too.

It's like when you scratch somebody's car in the parking lot and then you do it all good. People do you drive away and go to a different grocery store across town? Yeah, but instead of erasing history like you should have. It should have been like that was embarrassing. Oops. Or just delete it and never mention it again. Yeah. So this is what he did.

He replied first of all to himself because this is replying to Rudy Giuliani. He replied to himself and he wrote, Twitter allowed someone to invade my text with a disgusting anti-president message. The same thing dash period no space dash occurred later and it didn't happen.

Don't tell me they are not committed card carrying anti-Trumpers. Time Magazine also may fit that description. Fairness, please. So he doesn't know how it works. He doesn't know how it works at all. And he's demonstrated an unwillingness to learn, yet a willingness to be belligerent about his unwillingness to learn,

which I appreciate. That's old man angry. That's Gran Torino angry. Do you think, does he have... It's get's old man angry. That's Gran Torino angry. You know what I mean? Does he have... It's get off my lawn angry. It really is. Do you think he has like a staff that works with him?

Or is he just a rogue? There must be a staff. Like... No, he must have a staff. So what... Because then you got to figure what age is his staff then? Because they clearly don't know. Because what should happen is the moment that he sends out that first initial tweet,

and then he tweets this one out, one of his under 40 staff should walk up, slide their arm over him, and say, Rudy, here's the deal, bud. You fucked up. You're kind of a fucking dullard. You don't know how any of this stuff works. Just delete both those tweets and let's move on. They're still there.

December 4th, man. It's still up. It's still there. Because he doesn't know enough to be ashamed of himself. He's like so, he is of that ilk that he is so convinced that he is right that he doesn't know enough to be ashamed of his own fucking

spectacular ignorance. Twitter, of course, went crazy. Some of these are so amazing. First of all, there's one that's just a picture of From the Simpsons. It's like a headline. Old man yells at cloud. Yeah.

And it has Rudy Giuliani superimposed in it. It's great. Oh, that's hilarious. I love that. My favorite. Um, and I'm going to,

I, I, I, I don't know how to explain this. I don't know that I want to, what I want to do is I want to include a link to this story. Scroll down until you see Helen Claire Dafford's tweet. It is Tom. And I saw it before the show.

And we laughed until we cried. It's so fucking funny. Her tweet response. I can't, you can't do better than that tweet response. So midnight John, right? So you have the audacity to brand yourself as a cybersecurity expert,

but you don't even know how domain name registration works. That's amazing. Somebody else, I would pay big money to watch someone explain to you what actually happened. This is so good. Tonight's episode of Grandpa Can't Understand the Internet. These are so good. You got to scroll through these and check these out. But Giuliani just can't find his ass

With two hands He's the perfect Face of this administration An incompetent boob Who doesn't understand anything at all This is We talked about it before We talked about it a dozen times

People not qualified To be part I, this is a guy who ran, he ran a city during the biggest crisis it ever had. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Stop and think about that, guys. It could have been worse. It just

by chance wasn't. That's just a true thing you have to live with now. I will say, if you're in a position of, and I do mean this, we've talked about this before, but I think it's a good rule. Like, if you're in a position where you're communicating to the world and you're over 40, employ a 14-year-old. Everything you write, run it past a 14-year-old. If they giggle, do not post that publicly. You don't get it.

You wrote something obscene. They think it's hilarious. Because how many times does that happen? Oh, yeah. Right? Yeah. And like same shit here. It's like employ a 14-year-old who's like, stupid, that's a link.

Yeah. What? Let me fix it, old man. Space. One key stroke. Just like the Bible says, it's basically an intergalactic invasion into this space through people. I'm telling you, it's what all the ancients said.

It's what they warned of. It's what we're dealing with. They're demons. I didn't think we'd have a chance to talk about Alex Jones again, buddy. Well, but I am so gratified right now. Right wing watch Alex Jones says Trump will strike back against the pedophile rings in 2019.

My favorite thing about this is that he also like throws his own personal troubles in. Like while he's like, I'm going to go after the pedophile rings and the censorship. I want to get I mean, like I know they're fucking kids in my imagination, but, you know, maybe kind of fucking me too maybe help me out too while you're got your all right it's great this is uh this is alex jones from his uh non-youtube show info where can you find the show bit shoot maybe i don't know i know it's a death defying life i lead i take chances, but I don't do it to, you know, make my money and be on TV like the fall guy. The fall guy.

Did he just say the fall guy? Wait a minute. Yeah. I just, did he say, wait, did he just like, did he just mention, wait, did he say Lee majors? Yeah. Be like the fall guy, Lee majors. The fall guy.

Do you remember that show? I remember that. It was a show. I've never watched it because... No, it's like Hawaii Five-O shit, right? It predates... I remember it when I was a kid it was on.

It was like a stuntman, maybe? Maybe he was a stuntman? Can we listen to him say death-defying again? Because he mush-mouths this so wonderfully. Let's start all over. I liked that show when I was a kid. I know it's a death-defs this so wonderfully. Let's just start it all over. Let's start it all over. I liked that show when I was a kid. I know it's a death to find life I lead.

Find life I lead. I know it. I took a lot of oxy before the show. But I don't do it to make my money and be on TV like the fall guy. No, you can't even be on YouTube. Does the fall guy make money? you can't even be on YouTube. Does the fall guy make money? Like, I think he's dead. Isn't that a fictional character, though?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's like a series. It was like Super Dave Osborne. All right. We just died. Liked that show when I was a kid. What is that?

I liked that show when I was a kid. Greg Cecil, what else did you like when you were a kid? It's relevant. I like corn muffins I like warm socks out of the dryer I still like those who doesn't like warm socks out of the dryer

I like it when I rent a car and then I pull up to the gas pump right the first time and it's like circle around like a shark I like that a lot I do it so my children will have a future though we should probably come in with a circle around like a shark. I like that a lot. I do it so my children will have a future. Though we should probably come in with the fall guy next segment.

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. You should come in with the fall guy. Here, let's do it right now. Well, I'm not the kind to kiss and tell, but I've been seen with Farrah.

I've never been with anything less than a man. What? This is so 90s or late 80s. It's amazing. That feels like TV had been invented just for this. 80 to 86. Okay. TV had been invented just for this. You know what doesn't work on the radio? 86. Okay. TV Beneficialist.

You know what doesn't work on the radio? This fall guy thing. I love Bill. Get on that TV thing. I love the conceit. For those of you who aren't a million, is an American action adventure television program produced for ABC and originally broadcast from November 4th, 81

till May 2nd, 86. It stars Lee Majors. Five years. It's five seasons, maybe? Yeah. Lee Majors, Douglas Barr, and Heather Thomas as, and I love this,

Hollywood stunt performers who moonlight as bounty hunters. Let me tell you. How does that pitch go in the fucking pitch room? I'll tell you what. I would break, I would have a million warrants if Heather Thomas

was the... I don't know her. When I was a kid, she was my, like, oh my gosh. That was your... I feel when I talk about her, I feel like my voice is changing. Yeah, I remember Heather Thomas. Oh, goodness gracious.

I'm going to take a few minutes and remember her real hard. Caliente. But right now, let's go ahead and go to the first call here. Let's go to Wildman in Illinois. Thanks for holding and about to say Happy New Year. Go ahead. Wildman in Illinois.

What are you doing? I'm leaving. Jesus. I'm in Illinois. What are you doing? I'm leaving. Jesus. Well, you know, a guy who names himself, who nicknames himself Wildman is the least.

He's like a dainty pug eating a little tiny bone. He's the least wild man ever. $100 says he's got truck nuts. And he's missing one of his own And one of those Gun racks in the back And in need of a root canal Not just one You don't need just one

Alex Welcome Going into 2019 What Trump's got to do to save America He's got to declassify Pfizer, expose- Jesus Christ, stop yelling at me. Here's what Trump's got to do. All right, it's straight from the wild man's mouth to your ears.

All right, y'all got to listen up. Come on back now. Now I had to borrow this accent because we don't have one in Illinois, but I got one. I borrowed one. It's all right. This guy's amazing. He's one of those yell talkers.

I have a cheeseburger! To save America, he's got to declassify Pfizer. With the whole thing? Just declassify all foreign intelligence? Expose to corruption, arrest the traitors, and arrest the pedophiles. That's how he

saves America. I don't know how that's going to help the economy. That's how he saves America? Yeah, like, all right. I mean, if America's full of pedophiles, like, that would be a problem. We should fix that, right? Can't walk down the street in Chicago

with a guy opening his coat and putting one by a kid. And he doesn't even have full kids in there because that's too heavy. He's just got the fuckable parts he cut off. You know? Yeah, Chicago's weird yeah a lot of meat packing yeah i saves america my opinion an over-the-road trucker hard-working

honest man that's what i believe i agree victory or death he's now looks like he's cleaning house he's getting rid of all the double agents and the word is Trump is going to go into battle now. We're talking, he's going to strike back against the censorship. He's going to strike back against the pedophile rings. It's already begun. Is he going to strike back against the rebel alliance too? Is that what he's going to do? He's cleaning house.

And by cleaning house, I mean a lot of people are quitting. He's cleaning his cabinet every week. He's scraping up. Eventually, literally, he's going to have a piece of macaroni. Like one of the heads of state. Like his secretary of state is going to be a piece of cremette rack macaroni. Like cremette? I love it.

Like he's cleaning house. People are quitting in protest and then writing letters that are passive aggressive shots across the bow about how he's cleaning house. Like people are quitting in protest and then writing letters that are passive aggressive shots across the bow about how he's the worst. Did you see his reaction to Mattis where he said he basically fired him? Did you hear about this? So he said something to the effect of he was getting, it was such jibber jabber. He was getting interviewed and he's giving his first cabinet meeting.

And was anyone there? The press won't miss it the press loves this guy and they want to get everything they can and so he's talking and he's doing his thing where he says well you know you saw mattis in afghanistan in Afghanistan, what he did was not good. Wasn't good. He didn't do good. And so Obama basically fired him. And I pretty much did the same thing. I double fired him after he was fired. No, you didn't. No, he quit.

He quit. That guy quit. You can't fire somebody after they quit. It's like, you have no power over me. I think that's his only like, ah, shit, can I fire you now can i can i fire you from a job you get after this what do i do i wanted to fire you in a in a sort of like a retroactive way because you pissed me off because you quit because you you made it seem like i didn't know what i was talking about well so i mean like the people that are leaving his administration

are all universally like it's chaos john John Kelly's like, it's chaos. Yeah. It's fucking madness. Yeah. Mattis is like, this guy is a bad decision machine. Yeah. McChrystal came out and is like, the president is fucking amoral. Like, people are, I mean, Mitt Romney shot at him.

Did you see the Mitt Romney thing? Mitt Romney's now a senator. They're talking, they're talking now. senator. They're talking. They're talking now. I read an article that was like the Republicans are concerned that they might have instead of just an incumbent, they might have a primary in 2020. I saw that. I saw that there was there was going to be some talk about whether or not there's going to be a primary. That would be amazing. I don't know that he's going to make it that long. Like the way they went. I mean, like like a lot of people were talking about it before. But I thought the Democrats were going to come in and kind of be like, oh,

maybe we shouldn't. But early on, they're talking about we're going to subpoena this, we're going to subpoena this, we're going to go look. Because they have- They want 10 years of his tax records? Yeah, the House is trying to pass a bill. It won't go past the Senate, and it certainly wouldn't get, it would definitely get vetoed by Trump.

But they've already penned a bill that said anybody who runs for office in the future, you have to present 10 years of your taxes and your vice president's taxes. And they go on a website and everybody can look at them. They're trying to set that up because the gentleman's word that was the norm for 40 years is not the norm anymore because he blatantly ignored it because it's like he's like the asshole who goes into the fucking art museum in chicago and he's like suggested donation fuck you and then he walks right in you know what i mean like like he's an asshole right and the thing is is people fucking just trusted the system to work because that's how it's always been done but we've noticed a couple of things. They blew shit up with the nuclear option

a couple years ago. All these gentleman agreements are going right out the window. Put this shit, memorialize this shit in a law that can't be changed. Then you're going to fucking make sure that these people, that we'd never, and I truly believe this.

And I can be wrong, right? I can be wrong, but I definitely believe that this is true, that he would have never got elected if his taxes were available. I don't think he would have. Yeah, maybe. Maybe not. Because I think it would have shown

some serious misconduct. I was listening to a podcast this week where they're talking about his father's wealth and the amount of money his father had and how they got it to his sons. Oh, yeah. That's crazy. I got it to his sons. Oh yeah. That's crazy. I listened to the same show.

Oh my gosh. It's nuts. All the stuff that went on, all the shady deal. I mean, blatant fraud. Oh, absolutely.

Like crazy. They've uncovered blatant fraud, but it's past the statute of limitations. They can't do anything about it. But what's amazing to me is like, nobody cares. Yeah. Like,

like all this stuff that we talked about this last week, like all this stuff is known. And like, at some point we're just sort of like shrugging, like, ah, you know, I know, I know he raped a baby, but I mean, we never, you know, he'll, he cares about the Rust Belt or whatever the fucking excuses, like he's angry the way I like my anger, you know, with fucking the right sauces on it or whatever. I don't get it anymore. Well, I think that a lot of people are going to eventually turn on him because what you have right now is we're running into a recession. Wall Street's taking a shit. So even the people that are rich, they're starting to feel a pinch. Well, it's because he's a bad decision machine. He's a short-term cost cutter.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, man, if a lot of your money is tied up into the stock market and you're a rich person and you're starting to take a tank, you're going to have a different viewpoint when it comes time for 2020. And you're not going to be putting money towards him and you're not going to be making sure that he doesn't get reelected because what you want is that epic growth that we've had for the last 10 years since Bush. That's what you want. that they bet we've had for the last 10 years since Bush. That's what you want. Well, I mean, you know, it's funny because for a long time,

people were like, oh, well, you know, I mean, what you got to look at is the stock market. And then you say, well, the stock market is not actually an indicator of how people are actually doing. But, you know, because a lot of people don't understand how the economy as a whole relates to the stock market. And the two are not co-equal yeah they're not equal um you know there was always a a narrative that could be spun by the trump administration said look how great the markets are doing look how great the markets

are doing and then he would say the economy is so strong look how great the markets are doing and even though those two things don't necessarily co-relate and even though most people don't have very much individual personal net gain when the markets go up or down, right? Or net loss when the markets go down. Most of us are not tied up heavily in the markets, right? Most of us spend most of the money we make every week. So for most people, that doesn't actually do much. Maybe it affects your 401k, but that's not money. That's money that's down the road. That's not immediate. much. Maybe it affects your 401k, but that's not money. That's money that's down the road. That's not immediate. How do I pay for grocery bills money? So, but, but he was conflating the two on purpose because while there were a lot of indicators like wage stagnation, et cetera,

that the economy wasn't really doing very well for most people on the ground. He could point at wall street. He could point to the Dow. Right now we can't point at anything. The jobs aren't paying money that, you know, is, is able to like a living wage. And then you have the stock market starting to go down or there's no wage growth. You know, there's, it's a bad economy. It's not a good economy. No, it's a very weak economy. It's a very fragile. Yeah. And, and, and we're, we're going to see, I think you're, I think you're right. I think in the next year we're going to see a dip for sure. Yeah. Well, and, and a lot of the growth, a lot of the economic stability over the last several years was propped up by a handful of tech companies buying back their own stocks.

So that's a huge part of the growth that we saw. It's not true growth. He's going to strike back against the deep state. He's going to strike back against all the criminal activity of Comey and Mueller being Russian operatives. So just now they're Russian. Comey and Mueller are no, that's the new, that's the new story is that they are now Russian operatives. I don't know that I've ever heard them called Russian operatives, but they've certainly called them, you know, that they're out, out to get Trump. It's so funny that there is very likely actual Russian interference and actual Russian operatives interfering with our election. Yes. And then the people that we've tasked with sussing that out are now being flipped. Like the narrative just flips it. It's like, well, maybe they're the

operatives. We're not because at some point you can't deny anymore that there is Russian influence. Right. So once you get to that point where you can't deny anymore that there is russian influence right so once you get to that point where you can't deny anymore any longer there's russian influence then you all you do is is change the actors yeah right and it's it's interesting how many people will be like oh now i can make the pieces fit the way i want them to fit again now that puzzle is kittens yeah it wasn't looking like kittens for a little while there. I can't, I just can't get my head around the fact that people hear this stuff.

They hear that, you know, a guy, lifelong Republican in Mueller, right? Yeah. A guy who worked in Republican administrations who has not shown himself to be partisan really at all. No,

that guy's, and I say Republican in the sense that, you know, he's Republican. He tells people he's Republican, and he has been for decades, right? So the only reason I bring it up, not because he is partisan, but because he's been so nonpartisan his whole career. He has been, every article, and I've read many, every article that I have read about Mueller has basically said that he is the last Boy Scout, that he is unassailably ethical, that he is absolutely like,

he is the most milquetoast of milquetoast, that he's there, he wakes up, he puts on the same suit, the same shirt, the same tie, he goes to work, he just puts his head down and does the job and is uninfluenced by dreams of power by, you know, he's basically the uncorruptible last Boy Scout. Nobody, they can't, they can't find anybody to talk shit about. They tried to get that one guy. Remember that one guy who was like, yeah, Mueller, grab some, some woman's ass. I won't take money to badmouth this man. And then the questions devolved into, are you ready for federal prison?

Yeah, and your fly is down. So even those incompetent boobs couldn't make hay with this guy. And you can't, like, there's no way that you could say that Comey, who, like, fucking torpedoed the Clinton campaign at the fucking penultimate moment. Did we forget about that?

And we're looking at him and saying like, now he's on the Democrats side. What are you fucking high? Yeah. The reason we don't have President Clinton is because of the release of the, because of the way that Comey behaved around the emails at the fucking last possible moment, casting a shadow of doubt minutes before the fucking election. That is very likely the reason we're not saying

President Clinton. I can't imagine any of the reason, right? Because you look at the timing of all that, and that happened right around the time of the fucking Inside Edition or Excess Hollywood tapes. I don't remember what it is. It was like a day or two later. It was a couple days between the two. And we're going to look at that guy?

That fucking guy? We're going to be like, probably a deep state operative working against the Trump. The guy who got you elected is working against you? That doesn't even make any sense. I'll say, another note, I've spent over $3,000 in your store this year. I'm a loyal supporter and thanks for great products.

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about the furlough, about the government shutdown. Can you scroll down a little bit so I can read what he actually said? He said, have the Democrats finally realized that we desperately need border security and a wall on the southern border, need to stop drugs, period.

Human trafficking, gang members and criminals from coming into our country do the dems realize that most of the people not getting paid are democrats huh it's interesting because there's two takes on that i guess the first take is is don't you want to protect your own democrats or i guess the other take would be that well it's our fault we had it coming yeah it's i guess the other take would be that. Well, it's our fault we had it coming. Yeah, it's I guess the other take would be that it's our fault. And so we're reaping what we sow. I don't know that there's any good way to take that. I don't think that there's a good I don't

think there's a good way to take that except for like you're burning your own house down stupid is kind of what I think he's saying. Like, don't you realize you need all this stuff you're only hurting yourselves most of the government workers are democrats i don't think that there's any reason to believe yeah that that's true i certainly offers as is often the case absolutely no evidence whatsoever but also it wouldn't matter if it was true. Because that's not the reason. Like, the federal government employees who just got, like, furloughed, they are not the reason that the government is shut down.

Sure. So, like, whatever their fucking individual personal party affiliations are, literally has nothing at all to do with the reasons and the motivations for the government shutdown. The two don't relate in any way except for him to be like, well, you had it coming, you big, dumb, poopy heads.

But then what cracks me up is he makes another comment. I don't remember if it's earlier or later at some point because I can't keep track of his timeline, where he said basically the government workers love this shutdown. They want me to secure the borders and then the the union for government workers was like no we unequivocally oppose this yeah we're not a fan of this shot right so it's like wait a minute are they a bunch of people that do support the wall in which case they're probably not Democrats. Yeah. Or are they, according to this, Democrats? They can't, none of it would matter,

but also they can't both be true. Right, they can't be simultaneously true. You know what's interesting to me? We have had discussions about very qualified people being in office, but I will say this is the point when they shut this government down, this is the point when they shut this government down. This is the point that I do wish

that somebody who did live at some point in their life, paycheck to paycheck, was in office. So they understood what this means to people because they don't think they get it, right? Like Trump certainly doesn't get it.

He doesn't know what not going without a week's pay would mean to a regular family right he doesn't know what that means because he's never had to do it you know he's never he's been rich his whole life but this bulls it's bullshit what he has to say anyway about how he only got a million dollars whatever he made a lot of money off of a lot of different things but that's bullshit anyway even if you only got a million dollars right there's still a lot of goddamn money a lot. He made a lot of money off of a lot of different things. But that's bullshit anyway. Even if you only got a million dollars, right? That's still a lot of goddamn money,

a lot more money than a lot of other people have. Right. And so, I don't care. You have to be pretty, either you have planned a lot or be pretty well off

in the sense that you make a lot of money to not be affected by this in a pretty dramatic way. I think most Americans would be affected by this. Yeah, the statistics absolutely bear that out. Most Americans are paycheck to paycheck.

In a couple of weeks, would start to really feel the pinch to this. Yeah. I'm trying to remember who said it. Shit, I'm trying to remember who said it. Shit, I'm trying to remember who said it. Is it a Republican senator

or congressman of some kind said something like, you know, there's no reason to worry unless people, you know, are dumb enough not to have set aside some money. His quote is horrifyingly out of touch. It was a few weeks ago.

Hang on, let me find it real quick. All right, Representative Scott Perry from Pennsylvania, he thinks that this is going to be harmless. And here is what he said. On Thursday night, he told a political reporter that since Congress typically provides back pay to federal employees after a shutdown, doing without pay for days, weeks, or even months doesn't really matter. Here's this quote, quote, who's living that they're not going to make it to the next paycheck. Yeah. What? Yeah. He's that fucking stupid. And then, you know, what's, what's, what's interesting is says, according to data from the federal office of personnel management, probably many federal workers, thousands of Pennsylvanians work in federal jobs to pay less than $44,000 annually.

The bottom 20% of American households have an average savings of less than $8,750, meaning for many going without a paycheck or two could present real financial hardship. It's understandable that Perry himself doesn't worry very much about skipping a paycheck. As a member of Congress, Perry gets an annual salary of $174,000. His personal financial disclosure reveals he has at least half a million dollars in assets as well. Yeah, so of course, he owns his house, right? Right. Like the thing is, is like,

what's going to hit you or me or, you know, our listeners, what's going to hit them is the mortgage payment, the car payment. We don't buy things outright. We buy things on credit, man. That's the only way we can afford them. I can't afford a house unless I buy it on credit. Like I had to buy it on credit for a real long time, man. It's not like I get it next year and it's mine. I'm a fucking 29 more years in my house. I got to. I got to fucking pay it off, and I got to pay it off by the month. And if you miss a payment, you miss two payments, what happens? How much money do I have to pay now in late fees in trying to catch up?

Now I got to play catch up for the rest of the year? Plus, the damage to your credit? Yeah. The cost of borrowing just increased for everything that you're going to do. You lose credit cards. You lose credit lining increases and changes. It's incredibly expensive to lose a paycheck. Yeah. It's incredibly expensive. Most people can't lose one paycheck. And it's, you know, the crazy thing is it's not like they got warning and it's not like they got, you know, oh, I can go

get another job. They could get called back to work tomorrow. Yeah. So what are they supposed to do? Just live in fucking limbo for how long? While this fucking, whatever this is, this game of chicken. What do you think of these shutdowns? I think these are bullshit. Oh, they're horrible.

They're horrible. This is a way to play, to use the economy, to play chicken with people's lives, to see who blinks first. You know, how do we get ourselves into this situation? It's kind of appalling that

they use this group of people, and this is millions of people that are going to be held hostage. Economically hostage. I don't know how many people the federal government employs. This is 800,000 people. This is 800,000. Recurrently. Right.

You could, I mean, you're looking at like close to a million people. It's a lot of people in the economy. Huge number. The places that these people service aren't being either open or aren't being serviced currently. They're saying that garbage is piling up in like national parks. Certain museums are closed, I guess, because of this or whatever. The EPA is shut down. Yeah.

The entire EPA is shut down. So, you know, most of it is shut down. We have, you know, a lot of things that are run by these people because we trust that they're going to run them. And then we just basically just are like, yeah, you just don't have a job for the next couple of weeks. Well, I mean, like, file your taxes. It's June 3rd, right? But you won't get your refund.

Yeah. Your taxes, by the way, are still due. So your tax returns are still due. But if you file your taxes, you're not getting a refund during this shutdown. Your refund will not be processed. The IRS is not processing refunds because they're closed. Yeah. And they will be. And they will be for... I mean,

the way Trump is talking and the way the other side is talking is that neither side is willing. The Democrats went to him, I think, I think today with several bills and they had presented them to him and said, these are bills that will get our government working for 30 days so we could at least hash out the idea about what's going on with this wall. We can talk about it a little, but we're going to get people back to work and get these parks back open and get things running again. And he refused. He refused because he doesn't want to look weak. Yeah. And that's, yeah. And that's, I read a couple of articles that that's exactly what was said is if I back down now, I will look weak. Yeah. I mean, he said it out loud. Right. Out loud and everything. Confirmed by a number of White House officials.

And they're just like, yeah, no, he'll look weak. And so he won't do it because he knows his base would hate it. Right. If he looks weak. And I think a lot of his base doesn't rely on this. But I think there's a lot of his base should be empathetic to not getting a paycheck. And I think a lot of his base, you know, there's a lot of people that look at their tax refund, for example, as a as a yearly savings account. There's going to be people that file their taxes and are waiting for that refund.

Normally they get it a few days and you're not going to get it until it happens. You know, it's not like they reopen the government and you get your tax refund. Oh, no, they got a backlog now. Backlog. Yep. Yep. So eat shit on that. You know, this will trickle down to people. Yeah.

People, it sounds like, you know, it's kind of like the cake baking problem, right? It's like, oh, the national parks are closed. I don't go to the national parks. What's the big deal? But, you know, 800,000 workers aren't working at fucking Yosemite. The federal government employs a shit ton of people and they perform a tremendous number of services that are all happening in the background of your life that you don't have to think about. And they're not happening right now. They're just not. And we will all feel the pinch of that at some point

if this drags on. It will. I think it sounds like it will because it doesn't sound like he's going to buckle on this at all. And it's 800,000 people out there not spending money, right? Keeping that 800,000 people out there who are not pushing the economy forward during a fragile moment. Yeah. Right. And it's

growing more fragile by the day. China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain. I search for my wing watch. It's also just fucking everywhere. You find this story everywhere. Trump supporters want to buy the wall themselves.

So a GoFundMe was started god damn go fund me was started um by trump supporters to uh build the wall now you know there's a thousand miles of border um trump's looking ultimately he wants five billion in this bill he wants ultimately 20 billion dollars see i hadn't heard the 20 billion dollar figure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Wow. That's what it's a lot. A thousand miles of wall.

But he's not even calling it a wall anymore. Now it's a security. And they were like, no, there's the lowest quote I can go. He got three quotes and he brought them in. And Judge Judy was like, no, I'll take the lowest one. Do you know what else is interesting about this? Is that, you know, I think people think some people, people who don't live near where the proposed wall would be, I think some people believe that the wall will be on the actual border.

That is not, that has never been the case. That's never been the plan. I don't know if people really understand that. You can't build a wall on the border. First of all, the Rio Grande is the border. So you can't build it in the water. Would it be a floating wall? And you can't build it immediately next to the water

because of flooding and erosion. And also just like the ground there is probably not very good for it. So what's going to happen if they build this stupid fucking thing? Is we have to invade Mexico, take a little bit of their land and build it there? No, we're going to use eminent domain to take the land from citizens that own this land. That's fine.

Then we're going to build a wall further inland to our border because you're not going to build a squiggly wall. You're going to build a wall further in on private land. It would be awesome if it followed the Rio Grande no reason yeah yeah it's equidistant to the river and it just goes all goofy all the time and then you'll have a weird no man's land from the point of the wall forward that you know that land has to be Yeah, it could be miles. Maintained and patrolled. Plus, like, you build a wall if you don't maintain the wall and if you don't patrol the wall, then you don't

have a wall. It's actually a useless wall. Yeah, right? Because, like, if there's a stretch of wall a hundred miles long that nobody's patrolling and nobody's maintaining, they're just going to knock a hole in the wall. Or climb it with a ladder. Yeah, we have defeated walls in the past. It's not like the wall has never been defeated before.

It's just like, see the Mongols. There's just like people like walking into it over and over again, like zombies. Yeah. Yeah. And then they're like they're like that pong game where they bounce off it and then they walk into the river and they bounce back and they keep going back and forth no it's nothing

to be like well we built it we know how to get yeah so he's got a goal fund me that it's up to tom it's up to almost 19 million dollars And you did a little back of the envelope calculation before we started to figure out, now this is a, this is a couple of conceits. Right. The first is, is that the amount of income currently, cause it's been going for 17 days, would be about 1.1 million in perpetuity per day. That would not be diminishing returns, which is what they're clearly experiencing. It's not diminishing returns. It would continue to be at the same rate.

How long, Tom, would it take us to fund the... And you gave him 5 billion out of the treasury. Right. I said he's going to get his 5. He's going to get his 5. So it's $15 billion. He's got 18.8 million. And at this rate, it's only going to get his five. He's going to get his five. So it's $15 billion. He's got $18.8 million. And at this rate, it's only going to take about 40 more years.

Four decades. For this GoFundMe. Will Trump be around to see this? Yeah, Trump will be like 112 years old or some shit. You know what was so funny is there was a tweet that went out that someone retweeted and I had to double check to make sure it was real and it was real. Someone had tweeted when they had just reached 5 million. So when they tweeted out when they reached 5 million, this is one of these MAGA people on Twitter, when they reached 5 million, because their goal is 1 is point is a billion is a point, uh, 1.0 billion, right? They tweeted out. I have to reach 5 million halfway there guys. Halfway there. Cause 5 million. What I love so much about that is the people who posted on Reddit were so bitchy about the math.

It was so funny. They're like, yeah, you know, we just got there. We just got 5 million and they put, it was like 24,000 million to go. 24,000 million, I think was what they said or something. It was so funny. I don't remember what the math was, but the math was hilarious. Two quick things of note before we navigate away. The first is like, isn't it amazing to look at your president and be like, he's so effective. We had to basically create the fuck it, we'll do it ourselves model. This is the

ultimate bootstraps wall right because he'd be like trump said he's gonna build a wall yeah but our leader can't get it done do it we love him so much we'll do it ourselves and it has his photo on it and it's a it's a it's a nice photo right they're in this they are in some way praising him isn't this a bad isn't the very fact of this a demonstration of his abject failure to fulfill his promise? Absolutely. It's his incompetence. Also, I want to read what it says. Okay. The wall

is being built. All caps. We are releasing full plan next week. So evidently the Asians are building it. They didn't even spell check this. They didn't use grammarly. Asians are building it. They didn't even spell check this. They didn't use grammarly. Full plan.

Yeah. We have full backing from people you love and trust. It's happening. It's happening. Just let it happen. Let it happen. You know, it's funny. There's a couple of comments that I want to make.

One is, I thought we were going to get Mexico to pay for the wall. That's what he campaigned on. He just said again recently that Mexico is going to pay for the wall that he needs. He shut down the government to fund. I also want to point out too, what does this say about you?

This was posted 17 days ago, December 16th. What does this say about you, the donator, that during the Christmas season, you decided to give money to this thing? I mean, this isn't a tiny amount of money. We're talking about, I'm looking at $275,000, $20,000, $80,000, $100,000. You know what I mean?

So that's just scrolling down, right? There's some tens in there and 20s. But there's a couple of substantial amounts of money what does that say about you that you would decide to do this instead of giving it to like a fucking food pantry during Christmas where somebody could actually get a food you instead you you would rather donate money

to your own xenophobia than donate money to somebody else actually getting a food yeah it's it's donating to the I'm scared of the monster under the bed. Exactly. Yeah. Like, I need a spray that keeps monsters from getting me. Exactly.

Instead of donating to somebody who could actually use that money. And especially during Christmas time. Right. Especially during the time, you know, Jesus is the reason for the season, guys. Remember when Jesus traveled from Nazareth? No, we don't remember anything like that. Fuck you. Remember when Jesus built a wall between Israel and Palestine?

You want answers? I think I'm entitled. You want answers. I want the truth. You can't handle the truth. This is from Right Wing Watch. Bill Mitchell explains how Trump is like Abraham, David, Solomon, and Han Solo. Is he covered in carbonite?

He's stuck in one position. Well, it makes sense. He does shoot first. He does. All right. So this is Bill Mitchell from his kitchen, which has a very nice

stainless steel appliance in it. I believe that this is God's country. And I believe that he is, that Donald Trump is his man that he's chosen for this time. People say, why would God pick a man like... Would they, would they, is that how they would say it? Is that how they would say it, Bill? They would porky pig that. Jesus Christ.

This time, people say, why would God pick a man like Donald Trump? Look back throughout the Bible. Donald Trump is exactly the kind of man that God has picked throughout time. Why? Why would God pick the Abrahams? Why would he pick the Davids? Why would he pick the Samson's? Why would he pick the Solomon's?

Why would he pick the Paul's who was Saul and used to murder Christians and ended up writing about half of the New Testament? Why would he pick the Pauls who was, who was Saul and used to murder Christians and ended up writing about, uh, about half of the new Testament. Why would he pick these people? Because they were, they could easily co-opt your shitty fucking death cult and use it against people. That's why, because you're so fucking gullible throughout history that you believe they were chosen by God and they fucking manipulated you and they're still doing it today because you're so stupid you don't realize you're being manipulated. I mean, really. I know.

That is the truest thing you could say about that. Especially the Paul thing. Whenever anybody brings up Paul like, oh, I gotta change your heart. Yeah, you gotta fucking jerk me off, change your heart. Yeah, because he could manipulate you. He could use your own shit against you, and he realized it. I mean, how fucking hard is this?

Do we know that he existed? I don't even know if he existed. You know what I mean? Because if I were going to write a story where, and I wanted to tell you about the wonders of bibbidi-boppidi-boo or whatever this fucking nonsense is, like, wouldn't it be a great story to say that there was this guy who didn't believe and then God opened his eyes and it changed his heart and then he became like, wouldn't that just be an elementarily obvious thing to say?

Because remember, like, and these guys seem to lose sight of this, but you can literally write anything down. Yeah, no, absolutely. It doesn't have to have ever happened. And you know, you're right. I'm trusting their account. I'm trusting their account and when I say that, I don't know, I seriously don't know if you're, if it's right or wrong, cause I don't know enough about Bible history. I don't know.

I mean, maybe somebody out there knows, but I, you know, you're absolutely right. Just cause you wrote it down. Doesn't mean it happened, man. Right. And just cause you, just cause you wrote it down. Doesn't mean it happened that way to the historical person, right? Right. Because there's plenty of people who just say things that aren't true. That's not a new thing we invented recently. I love, too, that when he's talking about Trump here, he's like, well, why in the world? Why would we pick this guy?

And we hear this constantly over and over and over again. And it's so telling. It's like that survey question, like, when did you stop beating your wife? It's so telling. You're just like, no, you guys think he's terrible too, man. You guys all think he's terrible too, but he's just your kind of terrible. Why do you pick these people that had failings and some not so great things in their past and not necessarily tremendously known as pious people

and use them to save the world. Why? Because then we know it's God. Well, because the change of heart story makes sense if there's a change of heart needed, right? That story literally has no inspirational power if it's like, well, I already believed and then I believed more later.

Like that's not, who writes that one? Well, and also, aren't you like hedging your bets by being able to say anybody can be God's instrument then? Of course. You know what I mean? Like that's all you're doing is hedging your bets. You're like, yeah, well, pious people can be God's servant, but so can bad people. And that way I can point to anyone and say they're God's servant.

God just used the most pious and the most perfect all the time to save the world. We would just assume, what was these guys were so pious and perfect, they did it. But when he takes somebody who needed a redemption arc, okay, and he uses them to save the world, then it's like, wow, that's amazing. And it's like Han Solo. Wait, wait. He's appealing to the kids now. Hey, fellow kids.

Hey. I also saw a movie you guys in the 80s laser sword space guns right yeah and star wars you know pon solo was was a hero from the very beginning as a great guy it would have made god of a boring story yeah okay yeah galactic hero saved the universe you know he was mr clean oh we that. But he was a rapscallion. He was a smart. He's a rapscallion. Was he a scoundrel, sir?

Was he a ruffian? Was he a ne'er-do-well? Rapscallion. That word is going in my vernacular. Those are delicious on a salad, though. A rapscallion. Dice nice and thin. I love it. Very nice.

He was the bad guy. He was the bad guy. He was the bad guy that was going to, you know, I remember when Luke was on the ice planet and that big... It's Hoth, motherfucker! Don't you fucking go there! Hoth, bitch! I'll fucking come at the screen,

motherfucker! This is another thing that didn't happen, though. It's just something somebody wrote down. It's not a't happen. It's just, it's just, it's not a good example. Do you remember, do you remember that one movie about space that happened in a galaxy far, far away? Long,

long time ago. You know, Sasquatch grabbed him. It's a wampa. it's a wampa it's a wampa motherfucker i'll fucking kill you fuck you you don't even know what you're talking about first of all it would be a yeti by okay you can't even analogize right the fucking wampa fuck off uh-huh i was like i'm leaving i'm out of here you know and lady's like oh yeah i expected that of you in the audience like oh han how can you do that luke you know he's in trouble he's in trouble and then luke all of a sudden or han all of a sudden shows up and and cat finds luke and

saves luke you're like yes that's redemption arc folks redemption arc and that's i believe that's a narrative trope that's existed literally for centuries. And that, and that scene is a take on Beowulf where it cuts the wampus arm off. Yes. Because it's fucking archetypal. Yeah. Because it's, it was done centuries ago. Yeah.

That shit has existed for, since we've been telling stories. We figured that out a long time ago. Because at some point we all realize we fucked up. Yeah. And we make, we seriously like, we realize that we fuck up and we make of our failings monsters.

And then we slay our monsters in stories as a way to ask for redemption in these stories. It's fucking read Joseph Campbell's basic hero shit. Yeah. It's basic fucking hero shit. There's nothing even interesting about it. That's why it's happened literally all the time. Every story.

That's why George Lucas ripped up all the time in every story that's why george lucas ripped up that's redemption arc folks redemption arc and that's i believe what donald uh god is doing with donald trump and he's going to do with america going forward yeah yeah he's chopping america's arm off i don't understand i hope so just you know what i hope he fucking coyote ugly's america i hope he wakes up and gnaws his arm off and like fucking leaves. Well, you know, you know, in that scene, that's the scene where

Han cuts open the tauntaun and he stuffs Luke in the tauntaun afterwards. And if you look at it, you know, Donald Trump did gut our political system.

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not saying we're going to get to all of them, because I know that the scathing guys are going to be doing it soon too, but we are going to have some roasts next week. So stay tuned for that, especially if you didn't get your roast yet. Listen to next week's show, and hopefully your roast is one of the ones that we choose to do. And if I fucked up your roast yet. Listen to next week's show and hopefully your roast is one of the ones

that we choose to do. And if I fucked up your roast, I will fix it. I know I fucked up one of those roasts. So we want to go through a little bit of email here. We got a message from Adrian. So we were talking a little bit about heroes in the last episode about heroes being and

doing things that are problematic. And Adrian asks, what about antiheroes? Like what happens with antiheroes? And the movie that she uses is she talks about the movie In Bruges, which Tom and I actually coincidentally just saw recently separately

without even coordinating it. We just both recently watched it. And in that movie, um, there's a lot of homophobic slurs. And then the guy uses the word retard a couple of times. And, uh,

he's just kind of a shitty guy. It's Colin Farrell in that movie, I think. And he's a, such a shitty dude. Um, and, uh,

and she says, when I first saw it, I loved it. And then, uh, I was pretty surprised that after only 10 years, my opinion could have changed so drastically. What do we think about anti-heroes

and this sort of thing when they do this sort of thing? And I don't think that you have to, if you don't like somebody, if you're not looking to them for an example, as an example, then I don't think there's a problem. I don't see that. I used the example of Goodfellas earlier.

Like, I watch Goodfellas, and those people are horrible. But I can watch the whole movie, and they'll say horrible stuff. They'll drop the N-word. They're awful people. But I'm watching a movie about awful people. Yeah, I mean, think about it. People kill people in movies, right? In this movie especially, in Bruges, yeah.

So, like, I condemn that behavior, but I also recognize that you know there are behaviors that are indicative of bad people anti-heroic people i think you can enjoy a movie where people use language that shows who they are and if who they are is a shitty person how else are you going to show that? Yeah. Other than through shitty actions and shitty words. Yeah. You're not supposed to like Colin Farrell's character in In Bruges. You're not supposed to like him.

You're supposed to find parts of him charming and you're supposed to find other parts of him problematic. That's how the writing is there to make you feel. And it's good writing and good dialogue because it's effective in communicating a real person, not a good person. And that's an important part of telling a story in a way that you can identify with and in a way that you can watch and feel entertained or feel moved. And we don't have to look at a piece of art or a piece of literature or a piece of film and say there are no problems here.

I think you can look and say, that guy is a shitty person. He sure was fun to watch. Yeah. We got an image and this is like thrift store art? I would buy the shit out of this. I'm going to post this on this week's show notes. It's a statue of Jesus that's just weird

and creepy. I don't know what's happening. I think Jesus is dragging a zombie down to his basement or something. I have no idea, but you're going to check this out on this week's show notes. It's 451. You tell us what it is. I have no idea what's happening there. We wanted to say thank you to Jeff. He sent us some Canadian whiskey. We also got some steaks from David. And we've gotten a lot of gifts recently. I don't think we're forgetting anybody,

but we want to thank those people for their kindness. Thank you so much. We got a message. This is from Gareth. And Gareth asked, you know, what about people? We're talking again about the Revenge of the Nerds things. What about people, like're talking again about the Revenge of the Nerds things. What about people?

Like creators, people or actors? Do you find it hard to enjoy those things once you find out that they're kind of shitty in real life? And I will say, for me, I stopped watching.

I was a latecomer to House of Cards. Watched the first season, thought it was fine. Watched maybe two or three episodes of the second season. And then the thing that happened with Spacey came out and I immediately just stopped the show. Because I couldn't, I knew when I watched it, I was just going to see that guy and be like, ugh. Ugh.

Ugh. Even though that character is not a likable character. You know, me going, ugh, is not a big deal because he's kind of a shitty dude. But it still is like, ugh, I'm not interested. I'm just like, ugh. You know, I guess I feel differently. So I've thought about this. And I'll use the most absurd example of how I've thought about this.

If I saw a beautiful painting and I didn't know who painted it, and then I thought it was beautiful and I admired it and I stared at it and it was just something that moved me and I loved it. And then I thought it was beautiful and I admired it and I stared at it and it was just something that moved me and I loved it. And then somebody said, well, Hitler painted that. The painting would still be a beautiful painting that had moved me. It would not be less beautiful because the creator was a monster, right? And so for me, I think there is some amount of separation between the creator and the creation, between the art and the artist. I think I do draw some lines there. I think that not all art is the same in that respect, though. There are some art that's very autobiographical. Autobiographical art is necessarily closer to the creator. So I have

more trouble with autobiographical art and the distance required to appreciate the art when it's obviously very autobiographical. I will say too that I think that you shouldn't, ethically speaking, you should not do things that would enrich a creator for their creation if they are somebody that you have an ethical problem with. Right. So if a creator has behaved in a way that you find ethically. You shouldn't buy a Bill Cosby record if you don't. Exactly. But like, I am not going to say that I never laughed very hard and like till tears came out of my eyes at a Bill Cosby skit.

Yeah, no. You know, I know that I have. So I know that that thing was funny. You know, now I might not find it funny now. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. I remember when I was a kid, I thought he was the funniest fucking guy. So I guess like I can look at that and say like objectively, I know that that is a funny bit.

That's funny. It's bit. That's funny. It's clever. It's funny. Like all those things are still true. The person is a shitty person. He's a monstrous person, right? So I would never do anything that enriched that person. I don't know that I can, but I think the question is, yeah, right.

But I think the question is, can you enjoy it? And I think the answer for me is I can't. That doesn't necessarily mean it's not good. It just means I can't enjoy it. And that's the answer for me is I can't enjoy it. You know, I was thinking about it differently, like can meaning like, can you ethically still enjoy it? Right, right. So I'm sorry.

I may have misread the question. So my, yeah. And I think your answer is interesting. You know, when you take the person out of the thing and you don't have any access to know who it is, right. You could be looking at a painting from Gacy. Right.

How would you know? Right. You know what I mean? You don't know. So I, I recognize that, but I think like, you know,

if you have something like the Cosby show, you know, I don't, I certainly wouldn't want to sit down. I, I, I have fond memories of the Cosby show when I was a kid, but I certainly wouldn't watch a Cosby show today.

And it's not that I'm like so traumatized by the things that he did that I'm so like snowflakey that I can't deal. It's just I look at it and I get creeped out. I'm like, oh, that guy's gross. Turn that guy off. It's gross. I can't enjoy this anymore. Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I don't

know if it would bother me. Yeah. You know, I'm trying to think like, could I watch the Cos you're saying. I don't know if it would bother me. Yeah. You know, I'm trying to think, like, could I watch the Cosby show now? I don't know. I would watch it. I think I could probably watch Cosby stand up and still think his jokes were funny. If his jokes land, they land.

You know what I mean? Like, I think I would still, I think just knowing myself, I think I would still find them funny. Like, I don't think the Cosby show would hit for me because it's not of its it's kind of an of its time sure but I think like if I found that joke to be funny I would I would I don't know that I would be repulsed

enough not to laugh you know what I mean I don't know that I would be repulsed but I don't know but I don't know that I would be I don't know that I would be enjoying myself and I think that's there would be like a there's like distance there's definitely something there because I would be like the time that I wasn't laughing I'd be like myself. Oh, I see. So there would be like a cognitive dissonance there? There's definitely something there because I would be like, the time that I wasn't laughing,

I'd be like, oh, what a gross dude. You know, I couldn't, I don't know that I could stop thinking about it. Yeah. You know? I think like if I were not,

I think if I knew I was not enriching Cosby by watching it. I don't think there's anything wrong with any of those answers. Right? Any gradation of that. Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with any of those answers. Right. Any gradation of that. Yeah.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I just know how I would feel. I know I wouldn't I know I wouldn't be able to just be like. You know, I think I

would I think that a lot of times my brain would go back to it and just be like, God, that's gross. Yeah. So that's going to wrap it up for this

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