Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 470: The Abortion Show

Episode Date: May 20, 2019

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I think, right? Yes, nailed it. Of cognitive dissonance. Fucking A, man. So, Cecil, real quick. I hear the trade war with China is going well. Yeah. You know what's smart to get into is a trade war with

China. Did the Dow bounce back after it dropped the other day? Oh, I don't think so. Maybe it did. I don't think it recovered all the way. I do know that I read an article recently that's like, you know, China could just stop buying our bonds. That's the thing. They could just stop buying our debt. They're the largest purchaser of our debt. Like, that's their nuclear option? It's a really good

nuclear option. Well, you know, we trusted, not we, I say we as the country, but, you know,

they trusted Trump to, you know, deal because he's the dealer. He's the big deal. He's the dealer. And so they trusted him to do it. And what you have now is an absolute clusterfuck

because it's a guy who's used to, you know, he's used to being able to tell people where the line is. He's being able, he's able to look out. And, you know, when you're a business owner, you're essentially a dictator. You're a dictator. You get to decide, you know what? I'm not going to do that. You know, you get to, you get to hard,, you're essentially a dictator. You're a dictator. You get to decide, you know what, I'm not going to do that.

You get to hardball people, pressure them. You don't understand how world politics works, if that's the case. There's no hardball pressure here. Well, I read an article. It's interesting that the tariffs that are going to be imposed. So it's tit-for-tat tariff time, right? Which is kind of fun to say. So it's tit-for tariff time, right? Which is kind of fun to say. So it's tit for tat tariff time. It basically will amount to the largest de facto tax increase on Americans

in history. His guy admitted it this week. His guy actually, one of his advisors actually literally said it out loud that yes, the American taxpayer will, the American people will be picking up that bill is basically what they said. Well, that's great. Trump got mad. Trump got mad that he said it out loud. Well, it's just true. I mean, he doesn't like to say true things at all,

like under any fucking circumstance. But it is also nice that, you know, maybe he'll distract us with a nice war with Iran. So that is all happening this week. I saw Congress, Congress had, someone in Congress had already said, like, he doesn't have any approval to do any of that work. happening this week. I saw Congress, Congress had, someone in Congress had already said,

like, he doesn't have any approval to do any of that work. Yeah, good. So, but, but that's, but there's still a lot of power in the executive branch.

A lot of power. We've talked on this show so many times about the executive creep of power, right? And there's a creep in there. There's a lot of creep with this creep.

There's a giant creep in there now. Yeah. Creep, creep in chief. We've talked about this before. Like's a giant creep in there now. Yeah. Creep in chief. We've talked about this before. I have always wondered if things start to go really south, will a war be created on

some flimsy fucking pretense? See, here I ran. Please, God, don't let it be China. Please. Oh, China. China will whoop our ass all day and twice on Sunday that's a lost cause brush your Mandarin up

I know right our own military analysts are like you can't win that we are not it would be a nuke I'm kidding they wouldn't take us over

we'd just nuke everything and they'd nuke us right back and they'd nuke us right back we would essentially just nuke the world if they came over we'd just nuke the world and it'd be a disaster for everything.

For everything on the planet. For everything on the planet. A war with China is bad. Ask everyone who's been at war with China. Well, and the scary part is is that you've always thought, at least in the past, there's no way this person's going to do it.

Even if you thought they were an idiot, like G-dub. Right. You're like, there's no way this idiot's going to do it. With this guy? they were an idiot, like G-dub. Right. You're like, there's no way this idiot's going to do it. With this guy? I don't know. Yeah. I don't know.

Part of me wonders, like, will his inflated sense of narcissistic self-importance override his own, you know, interest in seeing not the world on fire? Yeah. You know, like, there's a point where you're like, yeah, I mean, like, I want to win, but not at the expense of Earth is on fire. Yeah. You know, like there's a point where you're like, yeah, I mean, like I want to win, but not at the expense of earth is on fire. And there was a part of me too, back when he was first elected, that was thinking to myself, you know, he'll go far, but there'll be, there will

at least be Republicans that will hold him back. And I've not been, that has not been the case. No, not so much. That's not been the case. That's not been the case at all. In fact, if anything, the Republicans have been like, you know, like fucking waving the green flag the whole time. It's like, go, go, go, go, go. They've been, they've been, they've been waving them on.

They've been nagging them on the whole time. They've been, they've been basically such sycophants that they can't stop themselves from allowing him to just ruin everything.

Yeah, I do wonder if, if war would be the turning point, but like. No, I don't if war would be the turning point, but like- No, I don't think so. Bolton, the same guy who drove the illegal corrupt wars in Afghanistan and Iraq is driving- Yeah, he's still driving.

This is Iran. And he wanted to get into it with Iran and was pushed back on. This is a guy who has a fucking hate on for Iran. Yeah. So it'll be interesting to see who we're at war with in order to play wag the dog for real.

Anyway, let's talk about some stories. Yeah, let's talk about something uplifting. Yeah. That's all. That's all this week. Yeah. We didn't even have it from an article. It's just random shit you picked up this week.

That's scary. Yeah. I puked a little in my mouth. Anyway, this story comes from the Metro.co.uk. I thought we were going to talk about something uplifting. And this is the story. I had you. This is the story.

I had you for a second, Tom. This is the one you put up first. I had you for a second. Okay. Come on. It's a trick question. There's never uplifting. It's never that I turned to the story and be like,

and this week, puppies and kittens were delivered to the orphanage. Like, that never happened. Like, it's always the worst thing ever. Pastor who raped daughter, 14, gets a light prison sentence because he's a man of God. Oh. So, this horrible, horrible human being was sentenced to 12 years in jail. Now, it was 60 years less than the maximum sentence. They wanted to give him 72 years.

Yeah. less than the maximum sentence. They wanted to give him 72 years. Yeah. Prosecutors were like, 72 years, you raped this girl from the age of 12 to the age of 14

for two years. You raped her. She was your adopted daughter that you had a responsibility to fucking safeguard. But the judge is like, yeah, I know,

but he's a man of God and he's been preaching in jail. And so I'm going to reduce that to one sixth of the maximum sentence. If this was a different country though, say an Islamic country, he would have gotten 72 virgins instead of years. They already had the one. So he gets 71 actually. And we're counting one off the tally. You took one early. It's like when you go to the grocery store and you eat an apple and you save the course you could pay for it later.

Yeah, that's what I do. I don't just... What I do is I take a bite, turn around and put it back because I'm classy. The whole thing. Somebody walks in like, there's a bite on it.

There's another bite on it. Oh my God. Somebody took a bite out of every apple and you just think, Tom, like... Instead of a distended belly, an apple this. Oh my God. Did somebody take a bite out of every apple? You just think Tom like. Distended belly. An apple just running down my beard. When I was, when you were a kid.

Yeah. Did you go shopping with even your parents? Yeah, with my dad, yeah. So when I was a kid, if I was really hungry, my mom would open something up and give it to me and then she would pay for it. Oh, I routinely eat in the grocery store now. Yeah, do you? Yeah.

I mean, I pay for it. Sure. But yeah, like I'll just, like if I'm, you know, Oh, I routinely eat in the grocery store now. Yeah, do you? Yeah, I mean, I pay for it. Sure. But yeah, like, I'll just, like, if I'm, you know, looking, I have something in my cart that I want, I'll be like, no, I'd eat that now. And then you just pay for it? And I just pay for it. I just save the package.

Sure. Because I inevitably finish it before I finish grocery shopping. I would pay for this, too. Yeah, I've done that with everything at the grocery. Like, I've drank a beer in there. I've never done it. I've never done it as an adult. Like, I'm like, whatever.

It's like a giant pantry for me. I've never done it as an adult, but I remember doing, ah, whatever. It's like a giant pantry for me. I've never done it as an adult, but I remember doing it as a kid. As a kid, I would like steal grapes. Oh yeah. You know,

that's not nice. Is that stealing? I mean, I guess like in the most technical sense. I guess also in some places of the world, they chop part of you off for that. I want to turn back to this idiot. This guy,

he is a monster, an absolute monster. Did you see the video with his stepdaughter or whatever it is, the adopted daughter? No, no. Absolutely 100% together. Just could not believe it. She stands there and she says, look, I was saddened that this had to happen,

but I'm absolutely happy that this was done. And I just want to make sure that this was, this was done. And, uh, and I just want to make sure that this never happens to anybody else. So, you know, and she's just like, I was just like,

what the fuck? What really? Like somebody who was repeatedly raped for that long. So together. So like, just it's so on, so unselfish, right?

So selfless in a way to be like, it's not about me. It's about helping other people, making sure I was just blown away. It's a great video. I want to be like, yeah, but this was about you. You get to have this one. Yeah. This one's about you. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Um, the reason why they found him, do you know how they found him? No. So they found him because they found some of his, they proved it because they had some of his semen on the, on the bed frame. Yeah, I did. I didn't hear about that. I think what happened is, is that he looked up

the wrong YouTube video on how to finish a bed frame. And, I did. I did hear about that. I think what happened is that he looked up the wrong YouTube video on how to finish on a bed frame. And I think that's what happened is he looks up and he's like, oh, that's how you finish

on a bed frame? Okay, I got it now. That's what I'm going to do now. That's like, that's a weird notch on the bed post, right? Just, well,

it certainly is. Splurp. You're like, wait, hold on, I got to count the stains. One, two, three.

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a bedpost? What I want to say, though, is how do you try to, because everybody's trying to say he's innocent, right? Like all his friends come in and say he's a man of God. Everybody comes in and says, oh, he's such a good guy. And then what do you do to argue against it? Be like, no, like, here's how it happened. Here's how you found my jizz on my daughter's bed. Like, how the fuck do you, like, what?

Okay, all right. By accident, like, one day, just like, I was in my room, and I fucking, I made, and it shot through the fucking, like, the grate of the heater, and, like, the heater caught it and, like, spermiated the rest of the house. So I'm sure if you dabbed all over, you'd find it somewhere.

Like what's your argument? You guys, it looks bad. I'll admit that. All right. But I didn't rape my daughter. What I did is I just jerked off into my hand and I flung it at her. I threw it at her in her room to wake her up because she's always oversleeping for school. So I was like, what if I throw my fucking ejaculate at her?

What the fuck? I don't know what if I throw my fucking ejaculate at her? What the fuck? I don't know what, I don't know what kind of side story you have to have. What kind of Rube Goldberg device do you need to, if somebody finds your ejaculate somewhere? There should never be your ejaculate in kids' rooms. Like,

is that something we have to say out loud? Do we have to say that? There's never been a time where it's like, hey, I mean like, how does that happen? You want to make whoopie in the kids' room? Right? I we have to say that? There's never been a time where it's like, hey, I mean like, how does that happen? You want to make Whoopi and the kids around you?

Right? I'm going to bend you over that crib. Okay, let's fuck in front of the nanny cam and watch it later. Jesus Christ.

No, don't move the nanny cam into our room. Okay, forget it. You know what? Now the moment's gone. So, you made this awkward for both of Okay, forget it. You know what? Now the moment's gone. So you made this awkward

for both of us, I think. What the fuck? Honey, honey, just turn your head a little bit. I can see your double chin. Jesus Christ. This guy's a degenerate. One of his,

one of the supporters was like, this man needs his business. Oh, I know. He needs, and then he says, he needs his, his business needs him. His church he says, his business needs him. His church needs him.

His family needs him. I was like, his family does not need him. His family checked out. He rapes his family. His family's like, I don't know. We're good. We're good. Yeah, I'm okay with the current situation

of the restraining order. I feel like, I don't know who runs his business. Maybe his business needs him. I don't think his church needs him because, ew. But I can tell for certain, there's fucking at least one member of his family. It's like, I can do without.

Yeah, one member of his family fucking noped the fuck out already. The thing that is appalling about this is that the judge is saying he's a man of God. He's giving him a lesser sentence because he's a godly person. And that shouldn't even be coming into consideration. No.

You know, like there's this weird thing that happens where like on the surface, we make a lot of noise about the special awfulness of sexual crimes, right? Raping kids, just, you know, sex crimes in general. Raping, we're just like, that's a real bad thing. But then when it comes to sentencing, the sentencing is pretty fucking light for these crimes. Yeah.

In general. Oftentimes. It's like, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't match. Like, we have, we're like, on the one hand, like, our social attitudes towards drugs have liberalized. Most people are like, you know, like, I don't, I don't know. I don't care that much. I don't have a big fucking moral issue with it. You do you. Right. But there's a big fucking moral issue with it.

You do you. Right. But everybody has a big fucking moral issue with rape, right? And molestation and all of that. But the prisons are full of people who get stuck for fucking decades for selling drugs.

And then we're paroling people that rape other human beings. Yeah. And we're giving them lighter than average sentences or lighter than mandatory sentences. All that rape other human beings. Yeah. And we're giving them lighter than average sentences or lighter than mandatory sentences. All that strikes me as insane. Like our moral outrage does not in any way

seem to correlate to our sentencing guidelines. Sure. And I don't understand that at all. The world would not weep if this guy got 72 years. I don't think it would be a problem. And here's the thing. He's 41 years old. So he'll be out when he's 53.

And with good behavior, it'll probably be less than that, right? With good behavior, he could be out in six years, right? So you're talking 47-year-old man. He'll be out. It's not like the guy's 75 years old and a 12-year sentence

is essentially a death sentence, right? It's not that. It's 12 years is not a lot for a 40. Like, you can do this. And if he's nice in prison, I mean, we're talking about multiple rapes over two years time. That's a horrible, horrible thing that this guy did.

To his adopted daughter. To his adopted daughter. He's an authority figure of his adopted daughter. It's just like everything is the worst. And he's like, this is a slap on the wrist compared to the crime. Absolutely. That's what I'm, absolutely.

If there was one word you would help, particularly women, use more frequently, what would that one word be? F*** you. We're going to take two. Three. All right, this story

comes from CBS News. This is the big story this week. Yeah, this is the big thing. This is a huge story, right? Ahead of Alabama abortion bill debate, Lieutenant Governor fights against rape and incest exceptions. so this is now passed and signed so the the governor of alabama

signed into law a uh abortion bill in alabama that basically is you can't have an abortion yeah you can't if you know you're pregnant you can't do it which which is weird because you can't not know you're pregnant and get an abortion. I guess maybe the thing to do is just to show up like on a regular to Planned Parenthood in Alabama and be like, look, don't tell me. But if I'm pregnant,

here's the thing. I'm going to basically pay you to do some house cleaning whether I need it or not. You're my maid. You're going to vacuum me out every two weeks whether I need it or not. Yeah.

It's just preventative maintenance. Scoop and toss. Keep the old thing running. Just do your thing. But don't you fucking tell me. So I'm going to come in with like those fucking gun headsets over your ears, you know, like la, la, la, la, la. Blinders on.

Yeah. Look at the blast helmet on. Got pregnant? No, I don't know. I have no idea. I have no idea. There's a fight on this video. We're not going to watch the video, but there's a video here where they're fighting. The Democrats are fighting with them because they wouldn't even hear the amendment against rape and incest. They wouldn't even hear it. They wanted to push it

through with the rape and incest not included. Yeah. So like that last story that we just covered, that is a 12-year-old girl who was raped by her father over the course of two years. Had that resulted in a pregnancy, she would, in Alabama, she would now be,

well, this will go to the Supreme Court. And it also, well, also six months before it goes into effect. So it's never going to, it's not going to go into effect until it gets up to the Supreme Court. There'll be an emergency injunction

against its implementation. But still, the idea here would be like, yeah, that person, that person whose body is not prepared to deliver that baby, right? For whom being pregnant is an unsafe condition at that age, because it is an unsafe condition at that young of an age. That is now your legal responsibility because your fucking father raped you. That is the morally justifiable action that Alabama has decided to take, right?

Because, and if you get an abortion or if you give somebody an abortion, 99 years, that's the penalty for doctors in Alabama providing an abortion, 99 years. Good behavior on 33. Yeah, that guy raped, good behavior six years. That guy who raped somebody his maximum penalty was 72 so raping your daughter for two years gets you a maximum of 72 this was fucked

right now this kind of fucked maximum fucking penalty 72 years for raping your daughter but giving a woman an abortion, providing an abortion under whatever circumstances. But let's just imagine the most like the circumstances where you can just be as sympathetic as possible, no matter where you land on. That's 99 years. And like, let's be clear too, like shouldn't matter why somebody wants one. They want one that's a that's that's it that's the only question that needs to be answered do you want this no cool have an abortion the state has no fucking interest there's no interest that the state has or anybody else has in getting involved in that fucking decision yeah i i you know i was a little to say, when I heard about this and then in other states,

they're doing these heartbeat bills with six weeks, a couple of states did that recently. And these are all trying to roll the ball uphill, right? They're all trying to get Roe v. Wade overturned, right? So that's the main purpose of these bills. They specifically wanted this bill to be, I guess, as crazy as possible so that they could get it before the Supreme Court as quickly as possible. If they would have had to wait for these amendments, they would have had to wait until like a Monday or Tuesday or something like that to talk about it. And they wouldn't have had it on this woman's desk. A woman signed this into law. Yeah, the governor of Alabama is about a thousand-year-old woman. A thousand-year-old

woman. Yeah. She signed this into law. Yeah. And so, it would have never got onto her desk if that's the case. It would have just never shown up in time. They wanted to get it there as fast as they possibly could because their goal is now to try to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Now, we have, you know, this is the perfect example. I saw some great stuff today. And one thing that really was very poignant, there was just a tweet. It was a short tweet. And it was like, now, you know, I was, why I was crying on election night was one of the tweets. And you're just like, yeah, now, you know, now, you know why everybody

knew this was going to happen. Right. We knew for sure. We knew for sure that one of the seats that could have gone to a democratic was open, right. It was open for 400 plus days with a Democrat waiting to sit in it and they wouldn't fill it, was filled by Gorsuch. So one of those seats was already going to be a Democrat if Hillary had won. Trump got in and then immediately Kennedy is like, well, I'm going to retire too. And so we got a second uber conservative judge. So now we have two judges. Now, that's not saying that Kennedy would have retired if it would have been something. He might've just stuck around,

but I bet you we would have replaced RBG. She would have said, you know what? I'm a million. I'm good. I'm good. I'm stepping down. But instead she's going to tough it out and hopefully wait until the next term,

or die in office or whatever. But she's, you know, so you're looking at a position, you're looking at a shift right now that was preventable, 100% preventable. It was preventable in the sense that even if nobody would have left,

it would have been a Democrat in that seat. Even if nobody would have left and there would have never been any of these bills, none of that stuff would have happened. What if, okay, okay, and all that makes sense,

but like, what if I like Bernie so much that I chose not to vote at all? Oh. In stuff would happen. What if, okay, and all that makes sense, but what if I like Bernie so much that I chose not to vote at all in the general? Or what if I couldn't find a fucking stamp? Or what if I thought, maybe, you know what, I'll protest vote with Jill Stein. I'll forgive you. I won't fucking forgive, like,

nobody should forgive that. Look, I don't, I'm just saying, like, if that's, this is how you fuck, this is how that's fucked. Yeah. All those reasons, all those ways. Yeah. All those ways, all those ways, your laziness or your stubbornness, all those things fucked

us. And they, and they didn't just, you know, especially if you're a dude, you didn't fuck you. You fucked all the women in the country and not in a good way. And not in a way that you could enjoy. Are stuck being pregnant. So, yeah.

Well, and so, I was really disheartened though when I heard these bills going through. Yeah, because it's horrible. Because it's horrible. That's why.

But I was really disheartened and I woke up and I have to say, I've curated my Facebook feed to really remove a lot of people that are very like, you know, I don't need to see

a bunch of politics. I research politics on my own. I don't need to see a meme. Right? So, a lot of times, people that are very political, you know, I don't need to see a bunch of politics. I research politics on my own. I don't need to see a meme, right? So a lot of times people that are very political, I don't pay attention to. I have a group of people that are low level political on occasion, but not really super political and mostly post funny stuff, right? So it's like my Facebook feed is a lot of stuff that amuses me. And I'll tell you what, today it was nothing but stuff that amuses me. And I'll tell you what,

today, it was nothing but stuff about abortion and anti, like how, how this is a horrible thing and how women are under attack. It reminded me of how the very next day

after 9-11, all those flags were up. Everybody had a flag up. Everybody was like, no, we're standing together, you know, sort of thing.

Same thing here. It's like every, the day after, as soon as this happened, I just saw, and now granted it's a curated feed, but I've seen this everywhere. I've seen everywhere people talking about this, talking about this particular awful bill that's been passed and standing up and saying, this is, this is fucking draconian and awful. You know, I do wonder if, you know, I'm going to, we're going to talk a little bit about some facts around the issue of abortion, like some like some social truths around the statistics here.

But I do wonder if the egregiousness, the sort of nuclear option of all of this will galvanize people who have previously been un-galvanized, right? Yeah. who have previously been un-Galvanized, right? Yeah, yeah. If this will not create, because at least 60%, depending on what polls you read, but at least 60% of Americans want abortion to still be a thing, right?

So most Americans, by any poll. Yeah, almost seven. Seven out of 10 sometimes. So are like, yeah, abortion should fucking stay the law of the land. It's a minority view. Yeah. The hardcore anti-abortion shit, that is a minority view. Also really

quickly, Roe has protections. Roe has a bunch of protections in it. The third trimester is off limits already because of Roe. So the third trimester across the land is already off limits. trimester across the land is already off limits. So the very fact that Roe v. Wade already has protections in it for the pro-lifers shows you that the people that are even, that are just, that are sort of mildly pro-choice are still like, yeah, I'm cool with Roe. Right. Yeah. Well, I mean, and they should be because when you start looking at like abortion and who takes advantage of abortion, one in 25, one in four women, 25%, have an abortion. It's an incredible number of Americans have an abortion. One out of four women.

That crosses political boundaries. That crosses race boundaries. It crosses every boundary. One out of four women will have an abortion in their lifetime. It's incredibly common. boundary one out of four women will have an abortion in their lifetime it's incredibly common it we it's it's sort of sometimes made out to be this kind of like fringe thing that only certain kinds of people that's like what the pro-lifers would have you think sure and it's 60 59 i rounded up so 59 of the women who have abortions are women who already have kids.

Yeah. It's 60%. They've already had kids. And they already know how terrible it is. And they know how bad it is for everything. Like, that's an informed fucking decision. The environment, their relationship, their pocketbook, and they're like, fuck that. Yeah, I mean, it really is.

So, it is, like, we have this, like, social... And we're joking around about it. Right. But it is like we have this like social- We're joking around about it. Right. I do want to say like only a person, you know, only a person who understands that burden would understand what they're doing, right? They already have children that they presumably love. Yeah, right. And they're making that decision again.

60% of the, so one out of four have an abortion. 60% of those people already have fucking kids when they have an abortion. Right. So it's not this like decision whether to be a mother or to have an abortion. Like 60% of the time, they're already moms to one kid or more than one kid, what have you. We have a set of social ideas around who gets an abortion that is untrue. Yeah. It's untrue.

It's so many of us. It's one out of four. Yeah. You know, it crosses political lines. It crosses racial lines. It crosses lines of wealth and economic class. So we tell a story around abortion in this country that's an untrue story. And that doesn't help us

when we think about these issues and we're not thinking about them clearly and we're not being honest about them. Abortion is also at an all-time low in this country right now. They would have you think that there is this surge of people having abortions. Abortions have fallen by 26% since 2005. Abortions have never been, the rate of

abortions have never been lower. I read that too this week. Yeah. So like we are already at a place where if you're anti-abortion, we're already doing the right things. And we know the things that we can do socially to push that number lower. And that's good quality sex education, right? That's access to reproductive controls. Like those things are the answer to unwanted pregnancy. And you and I talked about this before the show. The abortion issue has nothing to do with abortion. This is about controlling women and about controlling sex. Yeah. Yeah. It's controlling sex. For me, one of the things that comes out is you think about

who the people are that want to control sex because they find sex to be very powerful, right? So they control the consequences of sex.

They want to make sure that every time someone has sex, that there are consequences to that sex, whether they get pregnant, whether they get a, because they couldn't,

they didn't want to provide any kind of contraception or protection. They can get an STI or, you know, we're talking about, we're talking about sex education. So again, that's another reason they want to make sure

that there's so many consequences and so much wrapped up into sex that there isn't this hookup culture, right? As an adult nowadays, there's plenty of people out there having plenty of casual sex. That's a thing that's happening. There's apps that facilitate this casual sex, right? We have apps now that on your phone where you can just facilitate casual sex with someone else. That's a thing that we can do.

We facilitated it with technology. But there's still a strong group of people in this country that I think through religious morality want to try to inflict their morals on everyone else to say how bad sex is and how you shouldn't do it until you're married. And if you do do it, God damn it, you should suck it up and suck those consequences up. Well, if you suck it up, you're not going to get an abortion. Or maybe the suck it up is after. Anyway. Maybe if you put it in a turkey baster. But, you know, the thing is, is like they want to make sure that there's something inflicted.

There's a baggage that comes with this sex afterwards. And I think it really does lead into their religious ideology I'm sure that it does that it's all about it's all about what I learned

and what I find abhorrent as a kid and when I get older and I see these guys using their their apps to have sex it upsets me and I want to make sure

that those types of things aren't that casual sex is not a thing of the future that it stops no. No, and it's so, it's already a thing, right? It's been, and let's be real, like casual sex has been a thing for a fucking long time now. Casual sex will continue to be a thing. We should be looking at sex and saying, all right, if I had a medical magic wand and I could make sex consequence-free from a medical perspective, should I do that? And that answer's an easy yes. You should do that. If there was a way to make sex consequence-free physically, medically, like we should 100%, like that's something we should

drive for as a society. We should be working very hard to do that. Sex will likely always have social consequences, emotional consequences. But we can eliminate at this point the medical consequences. We can come real close to getting rid of that. We can come real close to getting rid of that primarily through education and access to cheap resources that keep sex safe, that make sex safe. And we don't want to do that because we want to control. I think a huge part of this is about that religious issue around sex and sexuality. And I think it's hugely about women's sexuality. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Hugely.

What we want is a woman to be a fun box progeny incubator. That's what we want. We don't want anything else out of women. And we want to make sure that they recognize. I mean, look at these bills. For instance, now let's take this one out because this is an outlier, right? This is an outlier. Let's talk about the six-week bill for a second. Six weeks means you're two weeks late, right? So it could mean two weeks late, as little as two weeks late. Right. And it could be, you know,

if you had a miscarriage, it would just be like a heavy day. Yeah. It wouldn't be a, you know, oh my gosh, I just shit out a kid. Like it would be like,

like, it's like you wouldn't notice. That's how little of a something is in you. I, I, I will say like, I was thinking about this. I'm never going to get pregnant. Yeah. Right. I will say, like, I was thinking about this. I'm never going to get pregnant.

Yeah. Right? I'm just, I'm a guy. I'm never going to get pregnant. I kind of feel like these bills, you watch the guys who, like, pass this. It's overwhelmingly a bunch of dudes, right? It's a bunch of fucking dudes.

Yeah, it's all dudes. And it's like, I mean, you don't have to face the fucking consequences. I shouldn't even, I don't have a conversation that I get to have around this other than, look, man, that is never going to be my problem. So you guys get to solve that and I'm just going to hang out and like help.

Yeah, yeah. Because I literally can't, I can't do anything about it. But we talked about this before the show. If I, as a man, if I'm just looking at my own personal, selfish best interests and I look at my own life, and people are loathe to do this, right? They're loathe to do this around a lot of topics. But I look at my own life and I think, man, what if the first time I had sex with somebody, I impregnated that person? Would the world be better off if I had stopped my life at that point and raised that kid?

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Because we know statistically that the greatest indicator of educational success is the educational success of the generation prior. We know statistically that the greatest indicator of wealth and advancement, social advancement, is the wealth and social advancement of the prior generation that helped raise you. social advancement is the wealth and social advancement of the prior generation that helped raise you. If everybody looked at themselves honestly and said, well, have I ever had a sexual experience that I would not want to result in a pregnancy that I have to stop my life and

almost everybody's raising their fucking hand on this, right? It's like when you talk to people about drugs and they're like, yeah, I don't, I was, I don't want, I don't want this or that to be legal, you know? Cause when I was doing that, it was too intense. And you're like, oh, so you should have been arrested and thrown in jail. Right. Right. Well, no, well, no, no, no. Yeah. Cause if it's illegal for one, it should have been illegal for you. The only difference is you didn't get caught. So you didn't have to face the fucking music. Yeah. So that's really the conversation is who faces the music, whatever that music is like abortion helps us make sure that we face the music when it's appropriate for us to do so at a time in our life when we're making a choice about whether or not that's the music we want to face now. Right. as a selfish man I do not want to be financially responsible for

what you do when you're 16 you know what I mean? the rest of your life I was too stupid I was a stupid stupid person like so many other people are stupid stupid people and like my life would be worse

and my progeny's life would be worse the world isn't better off without abortion the world is worse off without abortion I had a scare my wife and I had a scare we weren't married at the time but when we were you know dating I think we might even be enfianced at the time

I don't know but we had a scare and we didn't know if we were gonna you know if she was pregnant or not and we're looking at we were both in college I would have probably had to quit and we didn't know if we were going to, you know, if she was pregnant or not. Right. And we're looking at, we were both in college. I would have probably had to quit my school and, you know, we'd had to take care of a baby if that baby would have came. It's like, it would have changed the whole trajectory of our lives. Our lives would have totally changed.

For the worse. Yeah. And it's not like, it's not like we changed our minds about that later on. Now she didn't have to get an abortion because she, nothing, nothing came of it. Right. But we had a scare. We thought maybe we were, you know, she thought maybe she was pregnant. I say we, I didn't do anything except for fuck her,

but you know what I mean? But you know, she had a scare. And so we have a, you know, you have this thing, you're right. You look back on your life and you think about these moments and it really does come down to, they don't want people to have these moments. They don't want you to look back on your life and say, oh, well, you had sex when you were 16. Well, maybe there should have been consequences to that. That's what they want. That's what they want. And you mentioned earlier, the guys,

all the guys in the room that are passing this bill, the women in the room, right as the bill passed, the next day they brought up this legislation where they said, you know what? Okay, fine, but anybody who's a victim of this bill, anybody who's, you know, can't get an abortion because of this bill, we should put together a bill to try to take care of all these kids that are not going to, you know, that would now go. Nobody wants. Nobody wants, right? Like if you wanted to get an abortion, that's a kid

you didn't want. Yeah. And her amendment was struck down by a vote of 23 to six. Shocking. Right? So immediately after they said, okay, fine. Well, let's take care of 23 to 6. Shocking. Right? So immediately after, they said, okay, fine, well, let's take care of the kids then. But no, in the same, basically on Tuesday, this amendment

was immediately shot down. It would have built that would require the state to provide free prenatal and medical care for mothers who had been denied an abortion

by the new law, 23 to 6, shot down. That tells you everything you need to know about how these laws work. And who they're targeting. Yeah. They don't care about these kids, right? They don't give a shit about these kids the moment they're born. This is all about sex. It's not about, it's never been about the kids. It's not about the kids because they don't

care about the kids once they're out. They don't give a shit. They only care about the unborn fetus. That's all they care about. This starts in the Washington Post. The Supreme Court now has cover to cut back on reproductive rights without having to overturn Roe. So as we talked about before, you know, these bills have become ever more restrictive and the Alabama bill being the most egregious. And the idea is to kick this up to the Supreme Court. So the Supreme Court with its five to four conservative majority will overturn Roe. That's the hope of these arch conservatives, right? It is entirely possible, however, that the Supreme Court will find themselves in something of a pickle because they're going to have to say, shit, am I going to establish a precedent that I don't listen to precedent, that I am overturning precedent without

really good legal cause, the likes of which was, you know, it's typically something of precedence overturned. It's typically because there's new evidence or new facts which were unknown at the time the precedent was established or, you know, cultural understandings um which were uh you know represent a title shift in how we think about the rights of other people um you know plessy versus ferguson to the brown versus board to be like an example of that like this really doesn't fall into those categories sure so now they're going to have this awkward decision and And what they could very well do is strike down the most egregious of these bills, the Alabama and Georgia bill being the two most egregious, right? The two awful ones, yeah. Two awful, most awful countries are states in the

union, so it makes sense. But then they could grant the pro-life crowd some big wins by saying, okay, well, your bill on heartbeat is not a bill against abortion. What it is is a bill that restricts the timeline related to an abortion. And that has already been somewhat established with the third trimester establishment, right? And so all we're doing is changing that based on new medical evidence around viability. For example, and that's a lie, but they could make that commentary and they could dramatically curtail access. Yeah.

They could also dramatically reduce, there's a bill that says, you know, you have to have admitting rights in a hospital in order for you to perform an abortion, even though those two things are not linked in any way. They could uphold that, right? And by doing that, they can effectively reduce the number of places where an abortion can happen. So they can dramatically curtail access to abortion in this country while still keeping Roe v. Wade intact.

Yeah. And that's a scary thought, too, because that's the cake and eat it too moment for the conservatives. There's backdoor ways. You know, they're getting a back alley. They're getting a back alley abortion overturn here. Is the lesson here that if you want to avoid the abortion, stick to the back door? Yeah.

I think that's... You know what they need to do is they need to put all of these bills into a big machine and then they should fish one out with a coat hanger and see which one, whichever one they pull out. They should keep that one. Keep that one instead.

That way, it's like the crane game. Oh, the baby's first words, the claw. It's a toy story joke. The overturning precedent is the thing that blows me away. Because, you know, it's like when you were a kid and you're like, okay, let's just do rock, paper, scissors to see who gets the last cookie. And then you lose your like best two out of three.

Best three out of five. Best five out of seven. Best 71 out of 75. How many times do you have to, you know, keep doing this over and over and over again? It's like, it's like you already lost this and he lost it in recent memory. Right. Yeah. In my lifetime. Right. It's been lost. So, you know, like you say, there's nothing new that's going to make it seem like there's, you know, the only thing that has changed, the only thing that I

could say has changed is you can probably have a more viable baby now at a young, earlier age. And you know, look, I don't want to, that's not a fight I'm willing to fight, whatever. But I know for sure there's already, like I say, Rose already got protections for the third trimester, right? So like that's already off limits. So I don't understand. I mean, the middle ground is the second trimester, but these people aren't, they're jumping straight past. They're like, no, we want most of the first trimester too. Well, in Alabama, they want the whole fucking- Well, in Alabama, they're just like, no, you can't do it.

Like, look, woman, you're just going to be, just when you, women, when you come into Alabama, just take your shoes off. Just take it. You don't have to wear shoes in Alabama. That does presume that somebody had shoes once in Alabama. Very true. Shoes and teeth, not a thing they have in Alabama.

It's so funny because you're tempted to think about Alabama as the worst state in the union, and then that's demonstrably confirmed time and time again, right? Well, I saw somewhere and I don't know how true this is, right, because it's a tweet, but it was funny. It was like, it said something about

you could tell how much they care about children because of the 50th in education. Yeah, I mean, it's a garbage state. It's a garbage state. And it's a very, very poor state. Yeah, it's a garbage state. One of the things that this is going to be affecting is more poor women than rich women, right?

Oh, yeah. Rich women have access to leave the state. You know, I know that they're saying, like, you can't tell anybody, right? But the trick here is going to be, if this thing does go through, is that the rich lady's not going to tell anybody and she's going to fly to Chicago for a spa day.

Right, yeah. And she's going to have her spa day and then she's going to fly back home. And that's the reality. Abortion issue has always disproportionately affected people of less means because people with means- They're going to make it.

The people that yell and scream about abortion abortion those same people oftentimes have abortions themselves and they have the well when it was me argument well that's i was different you know in my case it was different i wasn't doing it because i was a fucking trollop and a whore like all these women walking past me exactly when it was me such such and such, blah, blah, blah. Right? And when you're fucking wealthy, it's always like, well, look,

I mean, I can just go to wherever. Like, if you've got means, you just hop on a fucking airplane. You can go where, you can leave the fucking country and go do it. Right?

It's like, how big a fucking deal is it? To be perfectly honest, like, like, thinking about it, it's like, yeah,

there's no credit card I wouldn't run up. You know what I mean? In order to get that problem taken care of. But so many people don't even have that option. They don't even have the option to put themselves into debt to do this. Yeah. And it does come down to empathy, right? Those people are too narcissistic to have that empathy to think about other people and to think, oh, well, what would it be if they were in this situation? Instead, they put themselves and they say,

oh, well, when it was me, it was different. So to show our solidarity with Planned Parenthood and with pro-choice movement, Tom and I are going to donate $500 to Planned Parenthood tonight. We encourage everybody else to do it too. Take a little bit of money this week. If you have a little extra, donate to Planned Parenthood or ACLU because they're going

to be the ones who are fighting this in the Supreme Court and hopefully all the way up to the Supreme Court. And it's hopefully they're going to be eloquent enough to make sure that precedent does not get overturned. But the money will be helpful to make sure that happens. So we're going to donate to Planned Parenthood tonight. We encourage you to do the same. Buy someone an abortion. Yeah. For Christmas. Yeah. Buy someone an abortion. An abortion certificate. She had an abortion punch card and like the little punch is just like a baby. You get a free coffee out of them. So, but just to piggyback off of this, this entire abortion discussion we've had, we're going to put a link to an article.

The article's from The Cut, and it's what can you do to help women in states with extreme abortion bans. It gives you a list of things to do, donate to grassroots organizations, and it lists several grassroots organizations. It talks about how you can volunteer, and it talks about ways to speak out.

We're going to post this on our website as a resource for people. So if you're interested, check out the show notes for this episode. It's 470. The people writing them have no fucking idea how the internal reproductive system works. That's why I'm going to do something that should have been done decades ago. I'm going to teach sex ed to senators.

Welcome to class, you fucking idiots. Time to learn about vaginas, cycles, and why Charlotte from Sex and the City was sad for two whole seasons. All right, this story comes from Fox News. Alabama has gone too far with extreme abortion bill. Crazily, says Pat Roberts, Cecil. Well, you know, when I first read this, headline alone, you're like, holy shit, really?

Yeah, I know. But it's not really. It's what Pat Robertson is saying is that this is a little too extreme tactically. Right. It's not that it's too extreme for his tastes. Right. It's not that he thinks that there shouldn't be,

that there should be some level of abortion even for rape and incest. It's not that at all. If you listen to what he asked to say, instead it's, yeah, I think this might be a tactical blunder on our part to do something this draconian may splash back in our face.

That's what he's saying. So we've got a bunch of people this week who sent us messages about this. Like, can you believe Pat's on our side? He's not on our side. He's not. What I think is interesting about this is that he's a televangelist

who's now revealed himself to be a moral pragmatist. Right? Really interesting, right? Yeah. And like, that's not allowed, right? Like, from your theological perspective, Sure. you cannot be a moral pragmatist.

Morality is a series, particularly in your book, of black and white. Sure, yeah. And so to take a tactical pragmatic viewpoint over a moral issue. Right. It could be. Well, I might agree that that's more useful. Yeah. Right. In terms of getting shit done. Yeah. I also don't have to subscribe to a system of ethics. You don't. Which doesn't have wiggle room. So there's a possibility. You're absolutely right. There's a possibility he's going to catch some blowback from this.

But it is not the same thing. And that is something that people have been talking about. It's not the same thing as him saying like, this is a draconian law. Right. He doesn't think that. Make no mistake. Pat Robertson's not the type of person who wants there to be abortion. He does not want abortion.

And he does not strike me, at least from what I heard, and especially in this piece of tape that he talks about it, he does not strike me as the type of person who would care whether or not that abortion was due to rape or incest. He doesn't strike me as a... No, I don't think so either. He seems like that person who would say those types of designations, those types of restrictions don't make any sense. of designations, those types of restrictions don't make any sense. Very probably. What's interesting about Pat Robertson

is he's not a literalist, though. Like, Pat Robertson's not a creationist. He's not a 6,000-year-old literalist. So, he may allow himself some of that pixie-choosing moral pragmatism. He might allow this. This is clearly, like you said, you're clearly right.

He is absolutely coming at this from a pragmatic standpoint. Right. You're absolutely right. Maybe he is okay with it for rape and incest. I don't know. I know that there are Christians who are. There are some.

There are some. But Pat Robertson has been screaming about this for decades. That's true. And this has been- Like dozens of decades. Yeah. Dozens of decades. He's like hanging out with Abe Lincoln.

In the future, we'll have him. Okay. All right. All right. Somebody we'll have him. Okay, all right. All right. Somebody pull his ears over his mouth. Jesus Christ. His jowls are already flapping. The fucking last shot hasn't been fired in the Civil War yet. This guy, though, he's a one-issue voter, for Christ's sakes.

I mean, if you go back through his tape for years and years and years, there's, well, I'd say two, there's basically two issues. No gays, no abortions. That's what you could basically boil down all of Pat's thoughts to. Which is crazy because if you want less abortions, if you have more gays.

The gays seem like the, they seem like the right avenue. Two gay dudes don't get a lot of abortions. Two lesbians, very few abortions. You seem like natural allies. Right. You know. I know.

Wouldn't that be funny? It's like, I'm fucking so pro-life that I'm so fucking pro-gay. Like, I'm just like, I so don't want there to be abortions. I don't even want there to be pregnancies. That's how much I hate abortion is I hate pregnancy.

The fuck are you doing? Fuck you. Say fuck you, dude. Fuck you. Fuck you. Stop. Oh, God. Cecil.

We're not done talking about abortion, Tom. This is the abortion show. This whole show is an abortion. This show's been an abortion. You know, this story comes from the friendly atheist. If you ever had reason to doubt that Michigan is worthless, first, you've got a couple options. One, you can go to Michigan

and look around. Sure. And once you find that there is nothing redeemable or worthwhile there, you will have understood. Everybody that goes to Michigan,

have you ever seen the gif of when John Travolta in Pulp Fiction comes out of the bathroom and he looks side to side for Uma Thurman

and he can't find her? That's what happens every time somebody goes to Michigan. They drive in, they get out of the car, they look one way, they look the other, they kind of shrug and then they just go another place. Michigan has a nice area, which is the stretch of homes that are the vacation homes around the lake for people. Oh yeah. It's beautiful. Those are very nice because nobody lives there full time. That's why they're nice. Because everyone leaves with any fucking sense. And then you have all the rest of Michigan

that if it's not a craft brewery, doesn't count as useful. It doesn't. I've spent so much time in my life in Michigan. I have family in Michigan. I did like that city. I did like that one city. Grand Rapids. Yeah. Grand Rapids is because it's full of craft breweries and a college. That one was okay. Detroit's garbage. And I don. Yeah, I like that one city. Grand Rapids is because it's full of craft breweries and a college. Yeah. Like.

That one was okay. The rest of the city. Detroit's garbage. And I don't know if you use the word city to describe Grand Rapids. That's true. The little town, the Hamlet. Right. Detroit is hot garbage.

Detroit is the worst. At least when I was there, you know, it was sooner than that, maybe eight years ago. I was just like, this place sucks. I can't think of a single thing that's made it better in the last eight years. I was like, that sucks. So in Michigan, this actually happened. A Michigan lawmaker discussing in another abortion bill, which basically said that a

dilation and extraction would be disallowed under a new law and they'd have to use other methods for abortion. Dilation extraction is the most common method of abortion in the second trimester, right? So it's a very, very common method of abortion. But they said, okay, we're going to have to use these other methods. And they were like, well, there's other methods fucking hurt more, full of complications.

Like they're less safe. And they're unnecessarily painful. So this Michigan lawmaker said, it should hurt. Yeah, it should be painful. It should be painful. So to get to your point earlier about like, is this about control?

Is this about consequence? Is this about shame? Yeah. It's 100% about all of those things. 100%. They should make them wear those red outfits from The Handmaiden Tales. Because what is the purpose of pain except to punish? Unnecessary pain, you know, pain that's not

medically necessary, that's being inflicted upon somebody, is being inflicted upon them in order to punish some transgression. When do we do that other than this? What is this? Like, Michigan is suddenly like a BDSM. It's like, you're going to fucking like it. We're going to hurt you and you're going to like it. My fucking safe word is baby. That's my safe word is I'm leaving Michigan. That's the only way to be safe if you're a woman. Like the fucking exodus of people that have left it in the past.

I want to read exactly what she wrote to you guys so you don't think that we're mischaracterizing. She said, of course it should be hard. And she's not talking about what happens in order to create the abortion. Not before. This is an after. Of course it should be hard. And the procedure should be painful.

And you should allow God to take over. And you should deliver that baby. She is also specifically talking about stillborn delivery. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, let's prolong that agony for those women. And that emotional agony, and also the incredible amount of danger that that poses for a woman to become septic

and all the rest of the issues that come with that. Oh yeah, no, that's great. Let's do that. It's a horror. It's a fucking horror. Let's punish women who lost their child. Yeah, right, yeah. Like it's the worst.

It's the worst. And the reason I grabbed this story is because she says, and you should allow God to take over as if God gives a shit about women dying in childbirth. No kidding, right? If he gave a shit,

he would have made that. He would have fixed the body a little better to make it easier, more facilitate birth. Right. We wouldn't have this weird, we're supposed to be sideways, but we're standing up anyway, spines. Yeah. Right? Our whole bodies would be birth. Right. We wouldn't have this weird, we're supposed to be sideways, but we're standing up anyway,

spines. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Our whole bodies would be different. Yeah. Like everything about our fucking structure would be like, this is the halfway point.

Yeah. Right. The human body right now is in its halfway point. We are not done cooking. You know, what's funny is like, like you look at all kinds of animals, right?

All kinds of animals. Look at our like natural birth rate. Yeah. Like natural birth rate without any kind of, you know, help. It's not that women just easily can do it. No. Oh, Lord, no. No. And look at, roll back in history of how many babies died during childbirth, how many women died during childbirth.

Start rolling back through history. It ain't an easy process, period. You don't even have to roll back through history. It ain't an easy process, period. You don't even have to roll back in history. Just roll back into some parts of the world that don't have access to medicine. And I'm talking about like Mississippi. Yeah, I was going to say part of the United States because our rates are not great.

Our rates are not great. What's the worst in the entire industrial world? There's no Western nation that has better outcomes. Or worse outcomes. So yeah, we have terrible outcomes as it is. The idea that you're going to like, like shame these women, this is all, I mean,

and just think about every single piece of abortion legislation that gets passed. But think about it this way. You know, all those like, I got to stick a fucking sonogram dildo up you and you got to look at your baby in the face and tell them you don't want it. Like all the terrible shit.

You got a waiting period. You've got all this other stuff. Every single one of these laws is a shame law. All these laws, all these things that we make, all these hoops that we make women jump through, they're all about shaming the woman, all about making the woman being like, you know what you're doing. We're basically rolling up a newspaper and hanging him in the nose with it every time we pass one of these bills. You know, if one out of four women has had an abortion, maybe there needs to be some kind of, you know, think about the Me Too movement while you're talking, right? Like, and about shame and about, you know, like one of the big, like, successes of the Me Too movement was to humanize and to show the ubiquity of sexual abuse, sexual assault, you know, all of that.

And so when that sort of went viral, all of a sudden, you know, you looked around and it was virtually everybody you knew had a story. And I wonder, and I'm thinking too about like the LGBTQ movement, right? To like, you know, come out because you know because you know somebody, so I humanize it. I wonder if one out of four women, I wonder if it's like, if we need some kind of viral Me Too movement around abortion. Where we can look around and say like, fuck, mom, you had an abortion? Holy shit, mom, you had an abortion?

Oh my God, grandma? Holy shit, mom? Yeah. You had an abortion? Oh my God, grandma? Holy shit, my sister? Yeah. Fuck, my wife had one? Yeah. Holy shit. And now all of a sudden we humanize it, right? We see all the people, we put a face to it.

We can now connect with our, there's some connection and empathy. De-stigmatize. Yeah. If one out of four women is having an abortion, but we still think of it in these sort of like grotesquery terms. Yeah. These sort of like untrue social terms, like maybe part of it, maybe part of getting around this shame shit. Yeah. So that this stuff goes away is like to be like, holy fuck. Yeah. Your cousin had one,

you know, you're like someone you love had an abortion. Yeah. That is a true thing that I just, someone you love had an abortion. Yeah. I wonder, we might get an email this week that says there is already a hashtag if there is, we'll promote it. But if there is some hashtag out there, that should be something that someone, in some way,

you know, you're absolutely right. There should be some way to connect it to a human face to be like, oh, it's not just trollops. Right. It was mom. Yeah. Yeah. Because 60% of the time it is mom. Yeah. Because it's mom. Yeah. That's just a true statistic. The Lord said to me, basta. I'm telling you, it's enough're shifting gears, buddy. This is the best shit, dude. This is from Esquire.com. Esquire, by the way, I subscribe to it.

It's a wonderful magazine. It's like the articles in Esquire are really good. So I don't know, like I don't like to pimp something, but like I really fucking like that magazine. It's really good. This evangelical prayer coin grift is what the age of Trump is all about. So this is Lance Wallnew on the Jim Baker show. Yeah.

Selling a coin to help you pray more gooder. All right. So here we go. This is Lance. And this is a, this is a video from Right Wing Watch. It's embedded in Twitter. How many of you have been praying all across America? How many have been praying? This coin. I like that they just panned out to the audience

there was two hands up the rest of the people in the live jim baker show like i don't know man they said there'd be free lunch and we showed up and it feels weird i want to eat one of these buckets that's on the stage look at how big those buckets are. Jesus Christ. Do you think that like, Cecil, oh my God. Oh, Cyrus Trump bundle. Cecil, Cecil. What's a Cyrus Trump bundle, Tom? I don't know, but hold on, hear me out. Hold on, I got to look it up now.

Okay, all right. What would be the Patreon goal to try to get onto a live taping of the Jim Baker show? I want to be in the studio audience for the Jim Baker show. It's got to be enough to get us out of jail. I think that it's got to be in the studio audience for the Jim Baker show. It's got to be enough to get us out of jail. I think that it's got to be enough then.

What would that Patreon goal be? So for $450, you can get the 13 Cyrus Trump bundle. Here's what comes with it. All right. It better come with 13 things. 13 Cyrus Trump coins, 13 Cyrus Trump booklets,

13 evening service with Dr. Lance Wallenew, and the evening service looks like a video. Oh, God. So you get 13 of each. Wait, did I say Dr. Lance Wallenew? Yeah, Dr. Lance Wallenew. Doctor of what? I don't know.

But he put doctor in front of his name, so. Well, look, watch me do that. Dr. Tom. Can we? Dr., look, watch me do that. Dr. Tom. Can we? Dr. Cecil, tell me some more about this. Can we just, okay, first, before we move on, talk about the coin. I want to show you what this coin looks like, Tom. It's literally my favorite coin image.

It is Droopy Dog Trump. You've got to see an image of this. I'm buying it. Oh my God. Look at how sad that Trump looks. Cecil, can we buy just one? No, I don't think so. And I don't want to give him $45.

I don't want to give him $45 either, but I want that coin. No, what I think we can do is maybe just print it out and then cut it out and post it on the wall or something. Yeah, I don't want to give him any money. No, I don't want to give him any money.

I want that coin so bad. It's unintentionally amazing. A 70-year decree, Cyrus Trump. Why does he look so sad? Doesn't he look so sad? He looks like- He looks so sad. He looks like that cartoon dog who's like,

you wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Like, he looks like that dog. Oh my God. That's amazing. The 70-year decree. So anyway, so that's what they're selling. They're hawking this coin. And evidently you can get 13 of them along with a bunch of other garbage for $450.

So when they say it's a $45 coin, it might be $45 individually, but you can get a group rate. Oh, you get a discount on these coins. That's pretty good. Yeah. All right.

Yeah. No, that's a good deal. This is our point of contact. When I asked the Lord, why the coin? The Lord said, because when you take the coin, it's a-

It's true, people. Because you'll fucking buy one, you goddamn suckers. Oh my God. How could you be in this audience? You shit-heeled suckers. How could you be in this audience and not realize that he's just selling you? First off, what is he trying to sell you? He's trying to sell you a coin

to focus your prayer on Trump. He's selling you a talisman. Yes. He's selling like this guy's selling you a fucking like a talisman. He's literally selling an engraved image.

Right. It's not graven but it is an engraved image. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah. You fucking yahoos in the audience should be like well wait just a minute now. You fucking Yahoo's in the audience should be like,

well, wait just a minute. Now you would think that they would magic coins. First off magic coins is amazing. That's amazing. It's like, it's like American God. Somebody is pulling these Trump coins out of the air.

Oh, like if you bury it, will a fucking beanstalk come out of it? No, but you could raise your dead wife. The point of contact. So your faith is being released with a million other believers. All right, that's gross.

Can you read the Isaiah here? Can you read that? Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates shall not be shut. That's the engraving on the back of this coin. Isaiah 45.1. He's the 45th president.

There's no coincidence this time. There's no. And the Bible is a short book that only has the number 45 in it probably once. Like one time. So you definitely couldn't fucking hunt and peck for something you found interesting and could print out a coin to sell to idiots i know we're not supposed to victim blame but if you buy this coin you're a fucking idiot this is like if you pay for this coin you get what you deserve this is like you get what

you do you remember watching fucking daytime tv and it's's like, the US Mint has issued a rare coin. And this one has a bald eagle rubbing its nuts on the flag. They're only going to print 900 of these. Oh my, that's so fast. Oh my God. Somebody in the audience has to draw us an image of a, of a minted coin of a bald eagle rubbing its nuts on a flag.

I will send you $45. Do you remember that shit? I do. You can also get this engraved plate. This plate will look so good in your home next to your life alert bracelet. Next to your coin collection. To pray protection and peace and wisdom

and counsel over the president of the United States and over his family. That's our point of contact every day. When you see it, remember God, God is like, look, there's no way I'm going to be able to get this to Trump unless you put a

quarter in. I am a coin operated prey machine. That's what I am. So unless you insert your little coin, there's no way I'm be able to get this prayer to the right place. Now I'm a little confused because I'm a Bronze Age God, and that's a gold coin, but I will take it. I will.

I will take it. Y'all heard about the golden rule. Now, I don't have swipe just yet, but I don't want to pay those fees. That's the thing. I'm just a little old school. But you can Venmo me. God put something in your hand that you have a role in. That's why we've got to pray because they think we're crazy.

Oh, that is a savable clip. Oh my God, is that a sale? Ian, if you're listening, I need you to save that clip for future reference. Oh my God, it's amazing. How is this different than a rosary? Right. It's the same thing. Except for rosaries I don't think are $45, are they? Oh, I don't know. I have no idea.

But it's a talisman you hold in your hand and pray with. I wonder what... Can you buy them on Amazon? Rosaries? Yeah. Okay. I guess they are more expensive than $45. Are they really?

I'm looking at one right now that's $124. Oh my God. Really? Yeah. I'm looking at another one here that's $5,200. Fuck you. Yeah. Holy shit.

Some of them are $40. This one here is 40 and it's a black. It looks like black. Here you go. Look at. So this one's $40 and it's a black it looks like black here you go look at so this one's 40 40 oh i like this rugged rosaries oh this one's good because it's a black monk rosary and you get a poem you get a free poem and optional medals you get a bunch of different optional medals oh is it very so let's see what the talismanic properties of this are. Very strong and beautiful paracord rosary with an all blackout military grade

550 paracord. Very strong, rugged, masculine. I love that bullet point. Very strong, rugged, masculine.

This is a man's rosary, motherfuckers. No women are carrying this rosary around with their vaginas. My dick grew three sizes. Abortions. Just looking at this

fucking rosary. Speaking of abortions, let's go back to that. Prayed for grew three sizes. Abortions. Just looking at this fucking rosary. Speaking of abortions, let's go back to that. Prayed for a bigger dick. Let's go. But we're actually the sane ones. Right. That's right.

And so we're praying, we're going to pray. This, the teaching that is here, this coin, as a point of contact, this 24 karat gold plated coin. And by the way,

I had. Gold plated. Yeah. No, it's not, it's not getting a fucking gold coin for 45. I know- Gold-plated. Yeah, no, it's not, he's not getting a fucking gold coin for $45. No,

I know that, but I love too, like, it's like a 24-karat gold-plated. Yeah. Yeah, okay, so it's got a fucking micron

of gold on it. I had to, I couldn't copy the Sanhedrin model. I told them I would do an original, so we found a nicer picture of the president to use. Oh,

that's good. We have our own version of it. It is the saddest little fucking Debbie Downer picture of Trump I've ever seen. It looks like he's trolling. Doesn't it really? It really does. It really feels like he's making fun of other people. Seriously, listen. Stop.

You gotta look at this video. Go to the notes. You gotta look at this video. The picture of Trump, it's the, it's super unflattering. Yeah. He looks all like fucking wax. You can also,

and you also looks like he's got a, yeah, like a, like a couple of chins under there. Is that a ball sack under his chin? What is that? He's seriously looking down at like a 10 degree angle and he looks sad as fuck. Yeah. He looks,

it looks like Melania just fucking left. It just, what we want to do is we want to be able to start, Jim, this movement. We've got 16 months. This battle for the future of America has already started. 16 to 18 months.

We're already in it. We're in the battle right now. We need to be praying now and not captive to gloom or anxiety or fear, but channeling our optimism.

But if you're afraid, buy this coin so you feel it. Don't be subject to fear. Don't be afraid. This coin will make you feel less fear. Once you have this coin, the fear goes away. What I'm doing is selling you the fear to tell you not to be fearful.

It's like when you cut garlic and then you take stainless steel and you rub it. All you have to do is rub this gold on your body and it pulls the anxiety right out of you. The other thing that he doesn't want you to know is that if you put a feather in your trunk, you can fly. Oh my God, it wasn't the feather all along. I'll tell you what, if you buy this coin, I do not put that past you. I would be like, no, that's someone jumped off a building with a feather and they bought this coin the week before.

And I absolutely believe that. Jesus Christ. So I'm in the direction of God's begun a miracle. Let's keep that miracle going. Wait, how does it, wait, God's begun a miracle. But now I've got like, like, what did he like give us a push? And now we got a row. Like what is happening?

So, uh, it sounds like. Yeah. Adam and Eve has changed and they are not swinging for the fences anymore. They are not. See, so they have other offers, bigger, girthier offers. Bigger, wider. You know,

the thing is, what you want is more, so you can put them in different places. I want more. You need more. I can't. And here's the thing. Adam and Eve will plug you up airtight. I will tell you that right now. First off, you're going to get 50% off almost any item. You're going to get 10 free gifts from them,

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This is apocalypse porn. It is. This is exactly what it is. When the shit hits the fan and you've got like your fucking exercise bike, you're using to power your fucking personal grid. Right. You know? Yeah.

At least you'll have some spank material. Yeah. You can go out like that guy in Pompeii who jerked it and he's the ash of the guy who died. Just the ash of the dude holding his own cock. That's epic as fuck. That dude just fucking, he just owned that shit. He's like, fuck you, world. Jerking him.

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The gay wedding on Arthur will capture kids and pervert their minds. Real quick, Cecil, I know you don't have kids, so you don't probably have a lot of experience watching Arthur.

Yeah. This looks adorable, by the way. The photo of this image looks adorable. It's a sweet kids show about like aardvarks and bear, like it's about- It's a sweet kids show about like aardvarks and bear.

It's a PBS show, huh? It's a PBS cartoon with anthropomorphized like aardvarks and shit. Is this for little, little kids? Yeah, it's like a preschool type show. And they walk around and they chit chat with each other and they're in school and it's kind of generally inoffensive.

Arthur's whole thing is that it's generally inoffensive okay so it like it's the sweetest most forgettable show what's that show with the kid who has cancer kaiju that's it fuck himself okay kaiju is like kaiju kaiju should be moved out of the anthropomorphic realm and into the real world so he can be executed in front of people on national television. That show is like an earworm of a show. It gets lodged in your fucking head

in the most annoying possible ways. Caillou is the drawing of every kid you've ever hated. Like every annoying tick and habit of every shitty kid you've never liked so yeah right it's just basically a perfect character of a kid i fucking hate guy you but you can't hate arthur it's a sweet little show it's adorbs but it turns out ken ham is upset because i guess they had a gay marriage in the show and in in the show, I mean, again, but you're like,

you know, you've got to genderize them. Right. Yeah. So they, they, they give them a gender and they say they're two dudes and two dudes get married.

And what, what I love about it is, is that in the article of this article, basically they're just like, and then everybody moved on with their life. Like it really is like such a non-issue. And weren't you telling me like one of your, one of your boys came home and said,

yeah, so-and-so has two dads or two moms or something. And you're like, and does that change anything? He's like, no, it's just, yeah.

Yeah. It's the like kids that are raised in a way that like, that does not make a big deal out of things that are not a big deal. Yeah. They're just like, yeah. So-and-so's family looks different than mine. You're like,

yeah, some families are different, you know? Yeah. Let's have pizza. They're just like, yeah, so-and-so's family looks different than mine. You're like, yeah, some families are different, you know. Yeah. Let's have pizza. And they're like, fine. Like,

they literally don't care. Yeah. You have to tell them why they should care that different may be less than. Yeah. You have to teach them. You have to get the scales out.

Right. And then you have to weigh your life versus other people. Right. And you have to show people how you're superior. And like, some kids might have questions about it.

Be like, yeah, some family. But the answers are so elementarily easy, right? Like why is so-and-so have two dads and we have a dad and a mom? Well, you know, I guess they just have a different kind of family, but the two dads love each other and they raise kids. And sometimes a man and a woman love each other

and they raise kids. Oh, okay. Let's ride bikes. That's it. It's so easy. Literally the end of it. It's the least difficult fucking parenting challenge you'll's so easy. Literally the end of it. It's the least difficult fucking parenting challenge you'll ever have. You see two men holding hands.

Daddy, why are those two men holding hands? Well, they probably like each other a lot. Yeah. Okay. That's the end of the discussion. Like it's literally the end of the discussion. It doesn't have to go anywhere from there. But the problem is, is if you were a religious person, you would have to say something because you wouldn't want your kid to hold the hand of somebody else. Right, exactly. And it really does boil down to, I don't want my kid being gay. And what he's talking about here

is he's talking, he says, I'm going to read the Ken Ham tweet. He says, you can't trust what your kids may watch on PBS. You can't trust what they may watch on Netflix that carries programs like Arthur. You can't trust ratings on TV programs, movies. The evil one is out there to capture your kids

and pervert their minds. And he's basically saying like, look, here's the thing. I think that, you know, when people see this, they will become gay. That's his main argument. Right. Is that when they see this, it's not spontaneous gay nation, right?

Like where you're just immediately, like the moment you see it, you're just like, oh shit, what? I could just do that? Oh, like, like, it's not like all men are gay piranhas. And if there's a little blood in the water, we freak the fuck out. It's like, you've got to be gay. You've just got to be born gay. That's just how it works. Like I've never had a gay experience in my life because I'm not gay. That's how it works. The end. It's not like I've ever looked back on my life because I'm not gay. Right. That's how it works. The end. It's not like, it's not like I've ever looked back on my life

and thought to myself, you know, I really kind of did want to have a gay experience. It never occurred to me. I was been like, yeah, I like women a lot. Right.

The end of the story. Nobody's watched, no little boy is watching Arthur being like, I'd fuck a dude aardvark. Yeah. Like I would fuck an aardvark. I'm just saying,

like I would fuck an aardvark. That is a sexy aardvark. Look at that. Look at that thing. In that tuxedo?, I would fuck an aardvark. That is a sexy aardvark. Look at that. Look at that thing. In that tuxedo? What it can do with its mouth. God damn, that aardvark cleans up well.

A tongue in my butthole? You know what I want? I want an anteater to fucking get up in there, you know, like really clean out the colon. Just like putting a bunch of ants up your ass.

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So we had on recently the Waiting for Wrath guys, Jim and Aaron, and they came on and they talked about the drag queen bingo that recently took place, that was going to be taking place in Wyoming for the AIDS Foundation out there, WYO AIDS. We donated some money and we got everything kicked off. I don't know if you saw the image, Tom, but they had printed up a giant check. Did they really? They absolutely did. They printed up a giant check with our logo on it.

No! And they printed it out and they presented it during the thing. That's awesome! Isn't that amazing? That's so fun! It's so great. We're going to post the picture. I mean, if I can find it on Twitter, I'll have Ian find it.

We're going to repost that picture on our Facebook page. Oh, it's awesome! I love it. It's so great. They did a giant check with our logo on it. But they wound up raising a grand total of a little more than $27,000. God damn, that's awesome.

It looks like about a grand in donations came from our show. So we want to thank everybody who donated. Thank you so much for donating to the AIDS charity. And thanks, the Rating for Wrath guys for coming on and doing such a great, I mean,

that's a lot of money for this organization and we're so happy to help support it every year. Waiting for Wrath guys to do great work and so, thanks for thinking of us

and thanks for coming on to talk about this great work. And that's like twice the GDP of Wyoming. No kidding. That's fucking impressive. We got a message from Sarah and she was and she's

talking about the chickenpox vaccine. She says when she was four, mom gave an option between getting the chickenpox vaccine or not. Being fucking four, I chose not to get it, and I got the chickenpox really bad, and she says,

I can remember crying in misery and saying over and over again that I wish I got the shot. Oh, it's such a bummer. Still has two noticeable chicken pox scars because of it. Because of that. I mean, just- Pointless.

Absolutely. It's something that you could totally avoid. And last week on our show, I had initially put together a graph that I was going to talk about and post to the show notes. And I wound up cutting it from the show, Tom. And I wound up cutting this graph from the show because I misrepresented it. I went back and double checked my figures. So this graph that

I'm going to post on this week's show notes talks about the measles vaccine. And when I first talked, we were talking about this measles vaccine. I used the dates for the polio vaccine, not for the measles vaccine. So what looks like would be a lot of people getting the vaccine, and then there's an uptick in cases after this happens. It's not the case. The vaccine, try to guess where the vaccine was introduced here. I'm going to guess 1960, 1965. 65 would be the right guess. And you know how I guessed that? Yeah. What I did is I found the point on the graph that plummets to near zero. Yeah, that's exactly it. So the measles vaccine gets introduced and it gets introduced and it drops from hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands in four years.

Yeah, it looks like actually like in 1964, it looks like there's five, almost 450, 460,000 cases of measles. And then by 1968, there are- Yeah, tens of thousands. 20? Yeah, maybe 20,000. Think about that rate of decline and then there's a

little uptick and that uptick where they have the uptick that's when they right afterwards they suggested a second dose there's a second dose that people get and that's when they suggested it and that's when it dropped down to near zero that second uptick over here damn that's when it dropped down to near zero so and it's been and if you looked at this graph and i'll post this graph look at what happens from 92 to 2008 and look at those numbers, they're non-existent but we were talking about in 1958

800,000 775,000 people got the measles they were saying that it was so likely that you would get it, it would just be so likely for you to get it that kids were just assumed to get the measles. You know, we also got an email from Kelly

and Kelly said she also got the chicken box in third grade and it was incredibly bad. She was incredibly sick. It was bad enough to trigger an autoimmune response. And that is likely the cause of her bilateral trigeminal neuralgia for which she's had two brain surgeries and a radiation treatment. And trigeminal neuralgia is basically a nerve in your head that's just the fuck you, it hurts worse than anything nerve.

And when it gets all fucked up, it is excruciating and for which there's no known cure. There are treatments, but no known cure. So yeah, when we measure things only in terms of fatality, we miss the human picture of disease. Yeah, you miss it completely. Yeah. We got a message from Katie and Katie let us know a bunch of facts about measles. One of which is that it can stay in the hour two hours after someone has left the room. So there's a chance that you could, you know, I was saying it was really virulent, right? There's a chance you could walk into a room well after someone had already left. You could walk into an empty room

and get measles from somebody that was there a movie ago. And get it, yeah, a whole movie ago. You could watch John Wick. Yeah, right? Exactly, the whole thing. And I want to read this. While measles is known to suppress the immune system

for a few weeks after infection, it also wipes your entire immune memory. The phenomenon is called immune amnesia and it lasts up to two years. That means that someone who had chicken pox and then gets the measles can 100% get the chicken pox again

because the measles wiped out their body's ability to fight it off. So thanks for that message, Katie. God, why do we do this? Why do we think that this is better? That's because it's out of fucking human memory. That's why. Because it's out of human memory

to remember how fucking miserable it was. Tom, did you see this story? Aaron sent in a story this week. Oh, what? About Trump. And Trump claims he's seen piles of dead bald eagles underneath windmills.

Oh my God, are you fucking kidding me right now? You see them all over the place, he said. He hates windmills. He's hated windmills ever since he wanted to build that

golf course in Edinburgh. And they were going to put those windmills there. They ended up putting them there. Yeah, and he got mad about it. He got pissed. They didn't affect anything. I do want to talk about this email He got pissed. They didn't affect anything. I do

want to talk about this email we got. This email was from Jordan, and Jordan said that he thought it was a little unfair that we had said that Latinos and Blacks were not supporting Pete Buttigieg because

they were homophobic, and they thought, they thought it was a very unfair picture. And, and he points out that the reason why is because of a lot of his policies are really just straight up white policies. They're not, they don't really reach into those communities. And I do think that that's absolutely valid, but I will also point out too, that it's, it's the people who act on that homophobia almost all the time are white people because they're the ones who make the homophobic laws. It's not, a lot of times the blacks

and the Latinos aren't even in power. So even if they are in a homophobic, it doesn't, it's not as bad as if say, an evangelical is homophobic who happens to also be a Senator. So that's going to wrap it up for this week. We're going to leave you like we always do with the Skeptic's Creed.

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