Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 507: Networking Marketing Tombs

Episode Date: January 20, 2020

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It's skeptical. It's political. And there is no welcome at this episode 507 of Cognitive Dissonance. And Cecil, you know what's amazing about a week like this? You know what's amazing about a world that we're living in right now? about a week like this, you know what's amazing about a world that we're living in right now?

Is this week, the articles of impeachment were sent from the House to the Senate and you and I talked about politics and a bunch of other stuff just as we ate dinner and it didn't even come up.

Yeah. Like we're in a place where it's like, you and I skipped over it. We glossed over it. Yeah. I'm worried about like 40 different things

and I forgot to even remember in that conversation. We glossed over it. How fucking crazy is that? Like, it's not just Australia that's on fire. It's like our whole fucking world is on fire right now. It's unreal. We will save a lot of that talk for this week in Trump. There is going to be some election talk. We're hoping to get to some Russian hacking in the show, but we will save all that talk for the end of the show. He's hoping the right word. Cecil.

Tom, sometimes I say the wrong thing. I frequently. Whoa, that's a full rainbow all the way. Double rainbow. Oh, my God. It's a double rainbow all the way. Whoa. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's a double rainbow all the way. Whoa. Oh my God.

Oh my God. Oh my God. Woo. Oh my God. That's mean. That's mean. Too much. That's what it means.

So I want to talk about, well, a whole bunch of crazy shit today. So this story comes from wave3.com, no less you think that's bullshit. I think it's an NBC affiliate. Rainbow shirt and cake, a lifestyle violation. Student expelled from private school. So there's this school, and I

actually grabbed this story because the name of this school tells you everything you need to know yeah it's called whitefield academy and i love it because it's like welcome to privilege university where our doors are open that sometimes to the right people is a killer name for an online university privilege university are you kidding me we should start a privilege university Open sometimes to the right people. It is a killer name for an online university. Privilege University?

Are you kidding me? We should start a Privilege University and all the classes are a little late because that's when you're woke. Afternoon class is a Privilege University. The syllabus requirements, be white. On being white, the joys of being, like all, it's like the joys of cooking,

the joys of white. You're just like, oh, you know. White music. All the pages in this are blank. There's no white music. You tricked me. Take a white dance class as everyone's doing the Carlton. You're like, this is ironic because that's a black guy that does it, but it's still a Taking white dance classes. Everyone's doing the Carlton. You're like, this is ironic

because that's a black guy that does it. But it's still a weirdly white dance. That guy's amazing. The Carlton. Didn't he, I think he trademarked that dance. Did he really? Because I remember there was a video game.

Now maybe I'm misremembering this. And I hate if I am misremembering this. If I am misremembering this, I I hate if I am misremembering this. If I am misremembering this, I'm going to edit it out of the show. So, I remember there was a Carlton dance on one of the video games I played because dances and emotes happen on video games. And so, you type in dance and it does.

The certain character may do that dance or not do that dance. And the Carlton was in there and they got sued or something and they had to take it down. And so it was the Carlton or it was a different dance and if it was a different dance, no one heard this.

So this is great. And it's not great because it's terrible. So there's a private school called Whitefield Academy, which is exactly what you probably think that it is. And there was a 14-year-old student. She attended Whitefield Academy up until her birthday, where she decided to wear a rainbow outfit, and she got a cake that had a rainbow on it.

And her mom took a picture of it and put it on fucking Facebook. And then she got expelled as a lifestyle violation. Yeah, it was the final straw in the lifestyle violations for them. When you're so fucking delicate, like when you are the fucking wilting flower of fucking terror

and fear, so much so that you're like, look, if a little girl likes a rainbow at home, she cannot learn what we have to teach her at our school could you imagine being so triggered by a rainbow that you see it and you immediately flip your shit right could you imagine living in a living your life like that they and i can't i can't because i want to walk around and not be afraid of the fucking world that I live in.

I want to like, you know, not be afraid of the fucking refraction of light through a prism. What if it wasn't? Because I'm not a giant fucking pussy. What if it was a dark side of the moon shirt? Because it has the prism on it. Yeah. The Plink-Foy prism that shows the rainbow. Yeah.

Is that rainbow okay? Man. Is that rainbow okay? Man. Is that not a gay rainbow? Couldn't she argue, like, that's like a covenant rainbow? Oh, yeah. You could just say, hey, that's a... Or just argue I'm 14 and I like rainbows. Like, I'm thinking of, like, my fucking daughter and my wife fucking love rainbows.

They just do because like some people like colorful things and that's how the world works rainbows are pretty the end when I see a rainbow I'm a 40 fucking one year old man when I see a rainbow I'll point it out to anyone nearby I'm like ah rainbow

cause I still think they're pretty you know she should try to appeal this. And she should use tort law. Oh, right. It's a kind of cake. It's a kind of cake. It's a kind of cake.

Speaking of cakes. Yes. Best cake, worst cake. Worst cake? Oh, worst cake is easier than best cake. Worst cake is probably our same I think we're going to have the same worst cake Alright, well, worst cake is

One, two, three, tres leches Oh, I've got to change my answer I was going to say grocery store vanilla cake Oh, okay, yeah, that's bad too Grocery store vanilla cake is inedibly sweet Anything that uses fluid flux Fluid flex, I think it's called Fluid flux, fluid flex. I forget what it is.

Air conditioning fluid. So if you go to the grocery store, they don't use butter or high quality shortening even. They don't use butter. I got to show you what it is. Or any of these. They use fast.

Ew. It comes in a tub and it's the grossest shit you've ever seen so the ingredients are soybean oil glycerol lacto esters of fatty acids vegetable monodiglycerines tbhq added to protect flavor

that's important without that tbhq the flavor just it couldn't even walk down a street at night to explain the texture of this imagine if you went to Starbucks and instead of they put milk in that steamer, someone just jizzed in a cup

and then they steamed that. That's demonic. Seriously, it's the grossest, nastiest shit and it tastes horrible. Like it's literally the worst. It's an awful flavor. And it leaves a chemical taste on all kinds of baking goods.

Yeah, it explains it. So if you go into a grocery store and you get the cheap cake, you're not getting butter, you're not getting shortening, you're getting fluid flex, which that song Vaseline, that's what you're getting. It's a little, it's like a little less viscosity. I don't know, viscosity, maybe viscosity is the wrong word. It's a little less firm than Vaseline, but it is essentially Vaseline.

It's the foulest shit you've ever seen. Okay, but it pours, and then it's like one of those sticky hands. Once it stops, it like slurps itself back up into the bucket. It's awful. I am still trying to decide if that is worse. If that's worse than the Tres Leches?

Tres Leches. Yeah. Tres Leches cake is cake somebodyches. Yeah. Tres Leches cake is cake somebody else, baby bird cake. Yeah. Somebody else chewed it. Baby bird cake

is what it is. You just have to, when you go to the restaurant, you open your mouth. Yeah. And then the waiter comes by, shakes himself a few times, and then deposits it

in your open mouth. Like a cat vomit, just like that, like shoulder thing they do. They're like all the skin from ass to shoulders chasing itself forward. And he's got to back up a little bit while he does it. He's got to take a couple steps back. I got to get away from this.

I'm moving out. So the first time I ever had Tres Leches cake was at work. And a very, very nice woman that I used to work with was like, you never had T like no i've never had it she's like it's so good it's so moist and i was like who doesn't want a moist cake that sounds amazing right an amazing a moist cake sounds good you know like a cake should not be a sponge used to soak up the dishwasher fluid like it's's fucking wretched. It's awful. The texture of Tres Leches cake is mind-numbingly bad.

It's the worst. It's the grossest thing. It's baby food. It's baby food. Baby food for a baby you don't even love. It's true. Baby food for that ugly baby that's like your neighbor's baby.

It's shaken baby food. That's what it is. Shaken baby and I helped. Favorite cake? Oh, i you're gonna laugh at me i fucking love carrot cake carrot cake love carrot cake is excellent you've just got to make sure that the frosting's got to be on point yeah if the frosting's not on point yeah it's it's not even close to middle of the pack it's a a bad cake. I agree with you. Yeah. When a carrot cake is good.

My, my wife makes an amazing carrot cake and it's like, and, and you know, you know what else makes a terrific carrot cake is Gibson's the steakhouse Gibson's. Okay. Oh my God.

That cake is so good. And the best part is when you order it, they bring you like, Oh, cake. It's amazing. So much cake. Chicago's steakhouses go out of their way to out,

try to outdo each other. And they, they basically try to cover up as much of the plate as they can and then also go seven to eight inches tall. Yeah, it's huge. It's like a black man's penis. It's that high. It needs a magnum to cover it.

That's what they give you as a doggy bag to take it home. I seriously wilt every time I order. I'm just like, all right, whatever. It's cold in my pants. I've had it at a couple of big steakhouses here in Chicago. And again, it's been meh. But it depends on the place.

My mother made the very best in the world. I have the recipe at home and it's the very best. I've never had carrot cake as good as the carrot cake my mother used to make. And it's just, but there's few of this. Those aren't, they're not all over. My favorite cake is soccer torte. That's absolutely.

Soccer torte's delicious. Soccer torte's my favorite. It's almond chocolate layers with a apricot filling inside covered with a coat of chocolate frosting and then ganache. And it's chocolate and fruit, but it's a good combination of chocolate and fruit. It's very good. I like that cake quite a bit. But carrot cake's very high up on my list. Banana cake, when it's done well, is excellent. Absolutely excellent. I'm trying to think if I've had banana cake. Really? Yeah, I'm trying to think if I've ever had banana cake. It's moist. It's got a delicious flavor to it. Normally has a very'm trying to think if I've had banana cake. Really? Yeah, I'm trying to think if I've ever had banana cake. It's moist.

It's got a delicious flavor to it. Normally has a very similar icing to carrot cake. Very good. Banana cake. Very good. Yeah, banana cake. Now I got to try banana cake. Banana cake's excellent. Yeah, huge fan of that.

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expelled because she had too many lifestyle violations. And I think the reason why we talk about this is twofold. One, it sucks because there's a chance that this girl is going to the best school in her area. That's true. Because we underfund public schools like mad, especially in poorer communities.

The Catholic school or Christian school in this case might be the very best opportunity you have for the best teachers around. That's true. I didn't even think about that. Yeah, that's true. And it's a sad state of affairs. What we should do is fund the public schools. Betsy DeVos, of course, is not doing anything to help this at all. It's amazing how billionaire Amway heirs don't make for the best secretaries of education. They don't care so much about the little guy, it turns out. They'd rather just sell them Amway. So weird. We're going to learn about the pyramids. No, we're not. You can't say that here. We're not going to

allow you to say the word pyramid. Okay. So anyway, in Egypt there's the network marketing tombs. But the other thing is that it might be the best school nearby, but it also makes us think, this should be something that we stop from going into public schools. We constantly want to try to stop public schools from getting even the remotely religious because we're afraid of things

like this something like this could happen what okay first you put up the the 10 commandments then what happens then what happens then what happens three three steps down the road we have lifestyle violations yeah this is the this is like the same kind of shit they do it like places like byu right yeah like where they decide what kind of person you're allowed to be. It's so funny, like, how many people are like, you know what I don't want? I don't want the government stepping in, telling me what to do. I want my church to do it because, my gum, that's different. What the fuck?

Right, right, right. Like, what the fuck? Like, the fuck yeah what is like seriously like this is a girl who's like yeah i took a picture on my private facebook well nothing on fucking facebook is private somebody screenshot that shit sent it to the principal unbelievable you're expelled and even after appealing the decision all the school said was tell you what we'll change it from an expulsion to like a voluntary withdrawal withdrawal yeah um which so me you don't have an expulsion from school on your fucking public record or whatever yeah yeah you know i do want to i do want to say something to all those students out there um and i and i mean this none of this fucking matters yeah it all feels a whole lot like it

matters because you're like in it right you're in're in it. You're in it. You're surrounded by it. Look, there's a forest outside your trees. Oh my gosh. None of this matters. There's no such thing as your public record. It's just not a thing that follows you around for the rest of your life. I work for a Fortune 300 company. I hire a lot of people. I don't check people's educational references. It's not a thing. I don't know how well somebody did in high school. I have no fucking idea. It matters if you're trying to get into the Ivy League or something. Outside of that, for the rest of all of the rest of us, you're going to be okay.

There's a hundred wonderful ways to go out into the world and to be okay and to leave the fucking trauma of your high school bullshit behind and it does not follow you into the real world. You can walk away from it like that. Not just the

trauma that these types of people, but even just the drama, the trauma drama that happens in high school itself. I can't even remember it. I can't even remember the times that I was made fun of or bullied or any of that. I high school itself. I can't even remember it. I can't even remember the times that I was made fun of or bullied or any of that. I forgot about it. None of it. There are times

in high school, and I know you've felt this. I've felt this. Everybody feels it. It's like a universal experience. There are times in high school where this thing happens and your fucking blood rushes to your face and you're just so fucking embarrassed. And it's like... Bent over and farted. Oh my God.

In front of the whole class. Did you ever get pantsed? No, I never got pantsed. I remember like I was in like eighth grade and that was like a thing people did. Is it a thing people did in your school? Like they- It happened on occasion. Sure. Yeah. They pants you, right? And I remember I got pantsed and I remember how incredibly embarrassed I was. And I know that being pantsed was a, like it was a thing our people did in our high school, in our junior high rather.

And what's funny is when I look back, the only one I remember being pantsed is me. Yeah. You don't remember anybody else. I don't remember anybody else. And nobody else remembers me. And that is universally true. No one gives a shit none of it none of it has any lasting impact unless you bring it with you yeah because nobody else remembers sure sure what it's not even scratch and sniff but if rich people think it's good i'll buy it one art please what a clever impersonation of a stupid poor person how much is that placemat actually worth, Brannigan? Exactly $1 billion. Now that's walking around money.

So this next story comes from Business Insider. Weirdly enough, Business Insider from Australia. Alexandria Acacio-Cortez said, Cheering for soaring stock prices while wages stay low is inequality in a nutshell. Business Insider checked this out. They made some charts, CISO, which we're going to talk about, cheering for soaring stock prices while wages stay low is inequality in a nutshell. Business Insider, check this out. They made some charts, Cecil, which we're going to talk about because nothing is better on an auditory medium than a visual representation of a truth. Nonetheless, I think we can describe it pretty well. And I think you should go check out the show notes

so you could see this story because it's important to see these things. When we scrolled past these earlier before when we were doing our show prep, Tom hadn't seen the story yet and he was blown away by the discrepancies and just by the sheer weight of one side of this graph. You know, and we'll tell you about it, but to Cecil's point, I mean, just seeing some of these things

is like, wow, holy fuck. So let's talk about- Let's start the conversation by saying, of course, right? I think this is a pretty easy comment to make about the whole thing. We've been talking about this for a while. Stock market does not show

a trend in the rest of the economy. It shows how well stocks are doing. It shows how well very rich people mostly are doing. Right, yeah. So I don't... When I say the wealth, I don't, the, when I say the wealth, I don't mean I actually have any wealth,

but like my, my, my net worth as a, as a, my financial net worth, I'm trying to think of how, what percentage of that might be tied to the stock market. And I don't want to speak for anybody else,

but for me, the only value I have in stocks is in my 401k. I have no stocks. Me too. I've never personally purchased. I have a retirement account as well. And that retirement account is fed by both me and my work. And slowly, trust me, very fucking slowly, because I don't make a lot of money. So it's very slowly fed, but it purchases types of stocks and sells them, I guess, and buys them and sells them and invests in some and then just divests in others. And I make money somehow.

Yeah. Well, or sometimes you lose, right? And it's over time. Yeah. But when I'm thinking about it, I know that my contribution is 3%. And my employer contributes, they match up to 3%, which is why I contribute 3%.

Sure. So, 6% of my yearly financial value is tied to the stock market in some way. And that's a tiny, minuscule percentage that I don't get to access until I'm old. Until you're old, yeah. My spending power as a consumer is in no way, my spending decisions are in no way influenced by this. Don't even think about it. So- Why would you?

I can't access this money without paying big penalties and fees. So I have accessed some of it in the past when I bought my house. Oh, right. Yeah. I could leverage a little bit for a down payment. And so I did.

And I had to pay fees on it and then also pay interest on some of this stuff because I took out a loan. Right, yeah. So, yeah. Yeah, it's so funny. You borrow money from yourself. You borrow money from yourself.

Yeah. And then you pay interest against yourself. Against who? Nobody. Because it's a company that just manages it somehow. And then they bleated me for interest. Yeah. The whole thing is kind of insane.

Yeah. But like, and we are and I'll say that like we are super fucking lucky even to have sure like a 401k or IRA of some kind

like and it's still single digit percentages of your net worth. It's tiny. It's a tiny amount but the people at the top have a lot of money

invested in this and many of the people who get paid lots and lots and lots of money from these large corporations, that's the money that they get paid in. And that's where their wealth is. Right. Yes. And yes, that's where they're when they talk about Jeff Bezos, he doesn't have a big fucking vault with 800 billion dollars in it or whatever he has. Right. He's like 108 billion dollars. That guy's net worth is tied directly to the value of his shares in his company. Not his, that his paycheck. Yeah.

Like you and I, like I build wealth through my paycheck. Like, like my assets as a, as a, as a person walking around in the world, it's tied to my fucking biweekly paycheck. You know, every other, I get my paycheck and I'm just like, oh God, I need this so much. Thank God. You know, right.

Yeah, it's like Zelda when you finally catch that fairy and it fills your fucking hearts up. Yeah. But like most, that's how it is for most everybody in the country. Nearly all of us.

Yeah. But there's a tiny fraction of people at the very top that almost all of their money comes from investment income. So when you look at, and this business insider illustrates this very well, when you look at the share of Americans who own stocks and they calculate that by the net worth of Americans, if you're in the 90th to 100th percentile, 51% of those people have stocks.

If you're in the 75th to 89th percentile, 25% of those people have stocks. So the top 25% of America has 75% of the stocks. 75% of all the stock is concentrated in 25% of the people. So you cannot have a stock market which drives wealth to the majority. Yeah.

Because 75% of people have 19, 21% of the stock. Yeah. 21. Yeah. It's a tiny amount. If you're in the bottom quarter of wealth, the amount that you've got in stock holdings is $1,700. That's it. That's not a retirement account. That's for the bottom quarter on wealth, the amount that you've got in stock holdings is $1,700. That's it. That's not a retirement account.

That's for the bottom quarter on average. You can't retire on $1,700. $1,700? What the fuck are you going to do? I don't care if you retire to fucking Vietnam. You're not...

I don't care where you retire to. There's no place on earth that's $1,700 unless it's 30 seconds before a nuclear died. Right. Yeah. Exactly.

Right. Yeah. That will maybe buy you a plane ticket to die somewhere else. That's about it. But if you're in the 90th to 100th percentile, and this is really the most telling, your value of stock holdings is 200 grand, right?

Step that down one level, and it drops by almost 90%. So the 75th to 89th percentile, $28,000 in stock. $28,000 in stocks. You should see this graph. You should just see this graph just to look at it, just to see it. What does it tell you about the concentration of wealth? It's that the stock market prices for the normal Joe don't mean anything. They don't mean shit. They don't mean anything. Hey, man, you got a couple grand in stocks. They went up 3% today. How do you feel?

I don't fucking know. That's a KitKat. Yeah. That's a KitKat when I'm 70. Yeah. What am I going to do? I don't even get it now. Right.

Yeah. Hey, when you're 70, you got a KitKat. Oh, okay. Fuck me. I don't care. Yeah. I'm dying fucking working at this garbage factory all the time. Yeah.

I don't even know why there is a garbage factory. Why am I working there? Value of retirement accounts by net worth also just, wow. If you're in the top, if you're in the top 10%, the value of a retirement account, 630,000. The next 75 to 90%, 198, a third, a little less than a third. And the next one, the next percentile, which is 50 to 75, it's down to 50,000 in your retirement accounts. All it does, all this, all these graphs do is reinforce that the people at the very top are the ones that own stocks and care about the stock market. And when the stock market's doing well, they're doing well and they gain more wealth. And that's all it means. That's it. And there's plenty of people right now,

even bullish people, are saying, we're in an area right now where a crash could be pretty dramatic for the nation. And they're thinking a crash is coming. And I just read something that the Fed is talking about

three rate drops next year. Three rate drops. If the Fed drops rates three times to avoid recession, and we have a cyclical boom and bust cycle in our economy, I guess all things would be cyclical if they have a cycle, but what the fuck are we going to do when we do have a recession? When you finally have to pay-

You're not going to have any tools. When you got to pay, when you finally have to pay up, you're going to be, the bill's not going to be great. Let me tell you, you're going to have any tools. When you got to pay, when you finally have to pay up, you're going to be, the bill's not going to be great. Let me tell you, you're going to look at it. I'm going to borrow one credit card

to pay my other crowd. God, that got worse. I don't know if I told this story on the air, but I love this story. I was on my first cruise with my wife. We took a honeymoon cruise, but we had to take it six months after we got married because we were poor.

And so we decided to take the cruise. Two weeks before we go on the cruise, my wife loses her job. I remember that. And so we decided we're only going to do two drinks a night if we're going to have a drink because drinks are not free on cruises. So you have to pay it for them. So I decided, you know what, but I don't want to not drink and I don't want to not have fun, but we can't just spend a lot of money because drinks are like what it would cost in Chicago for a drink. Oh, wow.

So it's expensive. You buy a bottle of beer, it's an $8 bottle of beer, $6 to $8 bottle of beer. You buy a mixed drink, it's a $12 mixed drink. I was getting, if I got a scotch,

which was what I was drinking back then, if I got a scotch neat, it was between $15 and $18 for that scotch. Wow, yeah. So it's a high-end bar in Chicago. Right. And so we decided we weren't going to do this. 4 a.m., the middle of the week,

they go around the cruise ship and they slide a, because you don't have cash on a cruise ship. So you don't walk up with a cash. I don't just walk up to the bar and say, here's 50 bucks. I can't do that. They won't accept cash.

They don't even accept it. What you have to do is walk up and say, here's 50 bucks. I can't do that. They won't accept cash. They don't even accept it. What you have to do is walk up and say, here's my room key. And then they charge it to your room. And they do this so that you never have really a running total of how much you're charging. They do it so that they can obfuscate the running total. So you spend more money because you think here's this thing and I don't have any repercussions right now. I have to worry about that in the future and future self might be fucked, but I don't care because, because current self is having a blast. Yeah. I might not live till next week. Exactly. At the rate I'm drinking, that's a distinct possibility. Exactly. So, uh, so you put it on your room key middle of the week, they come around with a sort of tally that says,

Hey, you're at X amount of dollars right now. They give you a midweek, and this was a while ago. This was in 2000 when we got married. So it was in 2000 when we took the cruise. So it was, back then it was all printable. You might have an app or something for it now or a TV might be able to show you what it was. But back then it was not available.

You just couldn't just look it up. So they would come around with these printed out papers. Four in the morning, they deliver them. 4.15, I get a call. I don't know anybody on the cruise ship. Oh, shit. I don't know anybody. 4.15 in the morning, what the fuck?

I answer the call. Yeah, right. Hello, this is what I hear. Dude, I got my bill, bro. And I said, huh, man, I got my bill for this week for half of the week, dude. And I said, you have the wrong number. And he said, I do have the wrong number.

But one person on that boat was genuinely shocked, genuinely fucked by it. Tommy, where are you from? New Orleans. Oh, no, like originally. Yeah, that one, you know, Louisiana. Okay. The accent threw me off.

What accent? Cecil, we talked about this a little bit before the show. You sent me these stories. We listen to The Daily, which is a great New York Times podcast. If you're not listening to it, you might want to give it a shot. You know, a quick recap. 2016, Russia meddled in the goddamn elections.

100% did. Yeah. Absolutely. We don't get to have a conversation called if that happened or maybe what. We don't get to have the it's a hoax conversation. No. Because that's not, that's not a, it's a true thing that happened. maybe what we don't get to have the it's a hoax conversation no because that's not that's not a it's a true thing that happened right yeah and you know when foreign hostile foreign countries are able to influence who drives who's in control they're manipulating

your future they're manipulating the policies that dictate your future that dictate like who's beholden to who, what you're going to get in terms of a foreign policy, all that kind of shit. And man, 2020, like it's not like we learned a lesson. This is the point of these stories. Two New York Times stories are going to go over. We clearly did not learn a lesson. So I guess like what i want to say before we start is fucking grab your ankles and hold on yeah because we didn't fix it nope and it's about to get much worse yeah and i don't know why we don't care but if you don't care care enough to fucking vote yeah so new york times chaos is the point russian hackers and trolls grow stealthier in 2020. So

bottom line of this article, it's a very long article. Bottom line of this article is Russia is employing similar tactics to what they used in 2016 because those tactics were successful. Yeah. But they have since refined many of those tactics and

they have added. It's a multi-pronged approach now. Right. And they also, there was ways to check up on these people because they, they had infiltrated some of the, uh, electronic spaces that these people were in. And those people have gone stealthy.

They've gotten out of those things and gone to higher encryption, uh, places on the internet and, uh, modes of communication. And now we are literally in the dark about one of these agencies. I don't remember if it was like fucking Glitter Bear or Punky Bear. Yeah, they got crazy names. Like Big Stink and Little Fish and all this crazy stuff. It was a lot of Care Bear references. It was like bear stuff because it's Russian, right? Yeah, bears. It was like fuzzy bear. Fuzzy bear and cuddly bear.

Cuddly bear or snuggle bear. But they went under, they've essentially disappeared. They're off the grid now. So nobody has any real tabs on them. Right. And they were being tracked, you know, so they were being tracked by government watchdog agencies like by,

and like our, basically like our security agencies, the NSA, the FBI. We're not talking about like, well, golly, Tom doesn't know where they went.

Who cares? Like the NSA doesn't know where they went, right? But the answer is not away. Yeah. The answer isn't like, well,

guys, close up shop. I guess we're Russia and we don't want to infiltrate America's we don't want to destroy fundamentally America's democracy from the inside out and watch it crumble into a state of divisive chaos because

I don't know, we suddenly decided that wasn't nice. We all got tour guide jobs instead. It turns out I'm going to show some nice people the Winter Palace. I also speak American. Can show you Winter Palace. I want to talk for a second about a while back.

Do you remember when we first heard of Anonymous, you and I? Do you remember when we first... It was years ago when they came on the scene. I remember the conversation that we had about it because they were leaking, Anonymous was leaking documents that were beneficial to our point of view. And I remember the conversation that we had was, one, I don't like this because

it's illegal and I don't like the feeling of this, this leaking of documents. I think it's sneaky and gross. While I certainly agree with the things that are coming out and want to see some of those things come to light, I think that the way in which you get them does matter. But the other thing I remember saying to you was, I don't know if I believe them.

They're just a random person who found something and now they're leaking it to me. How do I know they didn't alter it? How do I know they didn't change it up? How do I know that they are not lying to me? Okay, I think it's fair to say though that you can trust people who steal to tell you the truth.

Especially if they're from a different government that is actively trying to hurt you. Maybe not. And so I don't even know at this point because one of the things about the other story that this is in conjunction with is that the Russians hacked into Burisma, the place where they're trying to get the dirt on Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden. Yep. So they're trying to find. So the Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden. Yep. So they're trying to find, so the Russians hacked into that. They did a phishing scam. Right.

A very sophisticated phishing scam, which is how they got Podesta back in the day. They did a sophisticated phishing scam and they got into Burisma. How do you know what's true, right? How do you know? And they could- It's the chain of evidence question, right? They can leak whatever they want yeah you know there's a reason that like the chain of evidence has to remain unbroken in order for it to be presentable at trial right and that's because if you don't have an unbroken chain

of evidence you don't know at what point that evidence has been manipulated and so it becomes untrustworthy to be presented when things matter the problem here is like, things don't matter anymore. Like truth doesn't matter in the same way that truth used to matter. Like what matters is like getting people to shift a little. And what the Russians and like the trolls

have become very good at, they're not trying to get everybody to pivot all at the same time. Not trying to get everybody to pivot in the same way on the same things. It's just that if everybody pivots just a little today. Just a touch. And just a little tomorrow.

And they just keep moving that forward. One of the things that I think was really telling from the first article is that chaos is the goal, right? Yeah. So if you are the enemy of the United States and you want to subvert and control and exert control over your enemy, one of the things that you're going to do is you're going to create a tremendous amount of chaos and divisiveness. Because the more we're fighting with each other, the less rational we are, the less connected, socially united, empathetic. Sure. And that's happening, man. Like, We don't have much of a cohesive society anymore. I don't think that we do. When I think about what does America mean, that's a harder question to answer now than it used to be. And we don't care about whether things are true anymore

the same way we used to care about whether things are true. Sure. That's the direct result of a lot of this interference. Yeah. And it's getting worse and they're getting better at doing it. And even as we know they're doing it, we're letting them. Yeah. Like there's legislation sitting on Mitch McConnell's desk right now that would fund a lot of systems to beef up the security for our election results. And it's just going to sit and languish on his desk and we're not going to spend the money.

And like Facebook is the primary tool that's being used by these bots, by these trolls, by these hackers to influence American perception of the world. And Facebook has come out and said, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to change any of my, I'm not going to make any significant'm not going to change any of my I'm not going to make any significant changes to our security policies to our vetting it's just not in the interest of our bottom line

so like our democracy is being taken from us by a hostile foreign actor and we're just looking at each other like hey fuck us comrade wait what now I talk like this and drink vodka. What is happening?

To your point, I will say that Trump has actively encouraged other governments to do this. He's winked and nudged when he told Vladimir Putin not to meddle. Yeah, not to meddle in our election. He's asked other people to look into this. He specifically asked China and Russia

to look into the Ukraine. He specifically asked them to do it. He specifically asked China and Russia to look into the Ukraine. He specifically asked them to do it. He stood on TV and was like... On the fucking lawn with his helicopter fucking whopping around behind him. Well, I, like, we have to get to a place... It's so frustrating, Cecil, because, like,

like, I don't know how to make this matter, but it does matter. And if it doesn't matter enough to get people to do the one thing that they can do that will matter, which is to turn out and vote, like, I don't know how to make this matter, but it does matter. And if it doesn't matter enough to get people to do the one thing that they can do that will matter, which is to turn out and vote. Like we are letting, like, let's be clear. Like if you don't vote, you are letting fucking old shitty people

decide the fate of your world. Like the fate of the world rests power-wise, demographically, it rests in the hands of young people who will not through apathy, it rests in the hands of young people who will not, through apathy, rest it from the hands of the people who are fucking you right now. You are getting fucked by these people. And all you got to do is show up and kick these fuckers out. Mitch McConnell does not have a fucking lifetime appointment to the goddamn Senate. He's up for reelection this year. This year.

Like, there are more young people in fucking Kentucky than there are old people. If you don't like him, you can show up and kick his ass out, and then maybe we can get something done. I think you have to vote. I think that's absolutely true. I think one of the things that this is trying to do is make us paranoid.

And it's succeeding. Yeah. Because it's similar to if you had a dog and you just hit it a bunch of times and then you lift your hand to it and you don't hit it, but it still flinches. Right.

We're in the same position. We're still flinching. We're flinching every time. There was a part of this- Well, then you get hit in the arm twice because you had two for the fucking flinching. Yeah, exactly. And then there's a slug bug that comes by.

God dang, arm sore for a week. Then you got a flu shot. Yeah. Same arm. I got a tetanus shot this week. Hurt like a motherfucker for three days. But no, this article and in the podcast, they talk specifically about a place

where there was weird voting shit going on. People were cleared from the voting rolls. Why were they cleared from voting rolls? What the hell happened? Why is this happening? Is this Russian interference? And then they come across and there's some clear suspicion where people are

running about being like, are they actually hacking into us? Are they ruining our system? And then they find out, no, it wasn't nefarious at all. It was just clerical error problems. But we're so worried about it and so hypersensitive to it that we are freaking out about it all the time. And that is not good.

We're not in a good position and we wouldn't have to worry. All we'd have to do is we wouldn't have to worry as much if there was someone paying attention and trying to stop it. If we could rely on the government a little to try to be our firewall. Yeah. But instead, they're not. They're not doing that. China has total respect for Donald Trump's very, very large brain. They call her Pocahontas. I am the chosen one. You are fake news. I am the least racist person.

Look at my African-American over here. Look at him. It's a camera. Grab him by the pussy. Stop it. So this week in Trump, besides Trump not giving up on the dishwasher speech, I don't know if you saw his other speech in Milwaukee where he brought up dishwashers again. Oh, God.

Really? Yeah, he brought up dishwashers and toilets And low flow Low flow shower heads I don't understand Does this get cheers From people Like it's in your house Put a different thing in Hold on

When you say Didn't get cheers Oh god Cecil Let's listen to it real quick I don't want to Because then I'll hear it Let's listen to it real quick

But I'm also approving New dishwashers That give you more water So you can Hold on I'm sorry Cecil He's approving new dishwashers that give you more water. Hold on, hold on. I'm sorry, Cecil. He's approving the dishwashers now? Does the president have to put his fucking seal of approval on dishwashers? Wouldn't it be awesome if he put his weird scrawl fucking handwriting on each one

or had a stamp that had his weird, crazy, pointy... Do you remember? Yeah, his fucking crazy signature. Do you remember when Yeah, it's fucking crazy. Signature, you're like, writes it. Do you remember like when you were in like school and there was like

the presidential fitness challenge? You had to do like some pull-ups, like runs, like a sit and reach. Yeah, vaguely. First of all, I would love to see this guy do it. Like nothing in the whole world

would make me happier than watching Trump try to do one pull-up. Watching him try to do anything. Anything physical. Doesn't matter. I would pay all the money I will ever make in my life. I will live in a cardboard box outside to watch him

do one pull-up. It would be amazing. But like, can you imagine if he had to put like his fucking presidential seal? You're like, oh, Bosch. It's got the seal. It's got the energy star non-compliant. It's got the energy stars next to the presidential seal. It's got the big eagle on it. And then he's got the energy stars next to the presidential seal. It's got the big eagle on it. That's not a sound you want to make.

That's like a crow sound. I know. It's so funny. Anyway, here we go. He's got to approve dishwasher. He's got to approve the dishwasher. That give you more water so you can actually wash and rinse your dishes without having to do it 10 times. 4, 5, 6, 7, eight, nine, 10.

Look at him, look at him. Eat it up. He's like, yeah, cheer. I can't believe people are cheering for this. And they're going bonkers for it. They're going bonkers for it. They're going bonkers for it. Do you own a dishwasher? I do.

How many times, to wash your dishes, how many times do you run your dishes through the cleaning cycle? A single time. Okay. And I use the economy mode every single time.

Okay, but hold on. What if your dishes were dirty when you put them in? Yeah. Because maybe I wasn't clear. They are every time. I'm not talking about clean dishes. They're dirty every time.

Are you one of those people that like washes your dishes? They're really dirty too because I am dirty with my dishes. Yeah, like I fuck the dishes. Look at you dishes. Look at you. You want me to choke you a little,

don't you? I like, like if I have to run something through twice, I'm like, I'm real mad about it. Like every once in a while, I'm like, I'm pissy. I can imagine, I'm like, I'm real mad about it. Like every once in a while, I'm like, I'm pissy.

I can imagine. I'm like, oh, fuck you. I can imagine. Fuck you. You know the worst- Like I'm mad about it enough that I'll think about throwing it away and buying a new one.

What's the worst thing you put in there that you have to run through twice all the time? Because I already have an answer for me. A glass that a smoothie was in that wasn't rinsed out. That's- That's the worst for you? That's the worst, yeah.

For me, cat food. Cat food dishes, when we put those in the thing, if there's, because cats don't eat like fucking humans, assholes that they are. You feed, you feed the cat, we feed the cats kibble, right? So they have kibble sitting out. And our one cat rage eats all the time. So he's getting huge.

But the other one doesn't we have a siamese we have two siamese one thick boy he's a thick boy with a c and then the other one is is a skinny mini he's a tiny thing and he doesn't he'll go by and nibble once in a while the other one just comes by and eats his feelings all the time but But we feed them regular wet food two times a day. And so when you give it to them in the morning, they eat a little bit of it, but they don't fucking munch the shit. And then you leave and go to work

and then you come home and there's still a tiny bit in there, but it's been out all day. So it's essentially part of the bowl. It's not out all day. So it's, it's, it's essentially part of the bowl. It's not a, it's not a separate thing. It's molecules have molded into the bowl. And so I don't care how long you soak it. I don't know how long you, I don't care how long you soak it. I don't care if you get a jackhammer out. I don't care if you throw the fucking dish out the window, it's never coming out. And so I have to wash those things three times. And even if I soak

them or whatever, it's still it, whatever they put put in that glue they ever put in that cat food. Cat food is seriously, it's made of fucking crazy glue and anger. The worst. Just finish your fucking meal. Just eat it. You know, like, if you lick the bowl clean, I went out of this problem. Why are you begging me for it? Why are you like, oh, meow, meow.

Rub, rub, rub. Meow, meow, meow. Feed me some food. You're like, okay, fuck. I'll feed you some food even though I'm tired, rub. Meow, meow, meow. Feed me some food. You're like, okay, fuck. I'll feed you some food even though I'm tired and I don't really care about it. Feed you some food. And then it's like, meow, fuck. I'm not going to eat the whole thing.

Do your cats get pissed off when they can see the bottom of the bowl? Because my cats will meow like crazy if they can see the bottom. There can be food all the way around the edge of the bowl. They act like they're fucking starving. And they're just starving to death. Oh my god, I'm going to die right now. I have three cats and we have like the kibble

trough and it's enormous. It's enormous. It holds, I don't know exactly the amount. I think it holds something like 70 or 80 gallons of kibble. Like it holds so much of that shit. You have a pipeline directly from friskies that just feeds it.

And like, if, yeah, if it's like, lower than they fucking, I don't know, expect it somehow in their tiny cup.

exactly. First, they'll stop eating it. Yeah. It's like, I'm not eating the bottom of that. Yeah. I don't eat the fucking bottom.

I mean, I am a cat. You're like, yeah, you're a cat. You're a cat. You're not people. They won't eat the red. They won't eat all of am a cat. You're like, yeah, you're a cat. You're a cat. You're not people. They won't eat the red. They won't eat all of it. And then they're like, I got no food. You're like, it's so much food. So we got to get back to this week. All right. Three stories,

three main stories. Julianna associate Parnas says Trump knew exactly what was going on. There was some weird, he did an interview with Rachel Maddow. There was some weird text messages that went on with Lev Parnas and some other people that seemed very hit man-ish. But in the interview, he said, oh no, that person is always drunk.

Yeah, Richard Hyde. Richard Hyde, the excuse was like, that guy? He's a fucking, he's an alcoholic. He's a 41-year-old man who's like,

all of his friends are like, that guy? Yeah. Really? Yeah. That guy. That guy's wasted's an alcoholic. He's a 41-year-old man who's like, all of his friends are like, that guy? Yeah. Really? Yeah. That guy. That guy's wasted all the time. Who's still 40 and that's what your friends are saying about you?

He'll never live to 40. But Lev Parnas is flipping on everybody, saying all this stuff. And one of the things that came out about him was the State Department said something or this, it was maybe the press secretary said this uh oh he's uh he's uh uh on bail for a federal felony right now so he'll say anything and i'm thinking you associate yourself with so many people on bail i know i know at some point shouldn't we all just look around and be

you associate with a lot of people on bail yeah they wouldn't just be on bail just for no reason pop quiz hot shot how many of your friends right now are awaiting sentencing exactly because like none of my friends right now are awaiting and you know how many times i've been able to say that? All of my life. Exactly. Also, Nancy Pelosi, in the gamble that it was to withhold the impeachment for Trump in the House, it turns out that it played in her favor because just more shit came out. Right, yeah, shit. So this is great because, you know, there was a lot of stuff like, oh, Mitch McConnell won because Mitch McConnell didn't give, right?

And so the initial ask, I think, was that McConnell was going to give in to Pelosi's request to have, you know, witnesses called, et cetera, et cetera, to help to be a part of the managing of the trial process. And McConnell was like, turtle, turtle, turtle, no. And so, because all the other sentences. Do-do, do-do, do-do, do. No. And so, because all the other sets.

Duh-duh, duh-duh, duh-duh, duh-duh. I will win the race if I don't do anything at all. Mitch McConnell. Hello, everybody. Like, so, it's like, oh, fucking McConnell won, except for that by delaying it, like you said, like the story just keeps getting worse and worse. So now when it goes to the Senate,

when the Senate finally gets like all their rules and they get ready to start, like they've got so much more public shit to contend with. And they didn't want to call new witnesses. But now that a lot of this stuff is coming forward, they may have to. Right. Or face the political consequences of a kangaroo court. Yeah.

And in particular, of a kangaroo court. Yeah. And in particular, a watchdog group that pays attention to these things said that the Trump administration broke the law when they were withholding aid from Ukraine.

This is a watchdog group called the Government Accountability Office. And they said when he withheld the 400 million this past summer uh the the fund he should have run it basically run it past congress because if he if he withholds those funds that's on him he's not allowed to just do that and he's already it's funny because one this watchdog group is is is not they can't do anything to him they can only just call it out and the people uh that they're calling it out to those are the people in charge not they can't do anything to him they can only just call it out and the people uh

that they're calling it out to those are the people in charge and they don't care and he's this is not the first time he's done this he's done it this will be the third time he's broken this law my favorite thing in the world is that we have a federal agency which is the gao which is the government accountability office that is the Government Accountability Office, that cannot hold people accountable for anything. Like, there is no actual accountability. That's so true. That's the second word in the title of your agency.

This is a federal agency. It's not some reporter who's like, well, it turns out this is digging. This is a government agency called the Accountability Office holding them to account. And they're basically like, okay, but I out this is digging. This is a government agency called the accountability office holding them to account. And they're basically like, okay, but I did say not it. And I crossed my fingers. Yeah.

I ain't fighting that dude. You go fight that dude. Right. That's exactly it. It's so crazy. They're like, you can't do that. Like government said that money was for this purpose. You don't have the authority to withhold it.

And Trump's just like, okay, a counterpoint. I did that. And it's his third time where he's like, yeah, counterpoint. No,

the worst part is, is that all the watchdogs and all the people that we thought that there was some teeth behind any of these things that we thought would be, uh, would be against the law or breaking of severe tradition or just sullying the office. We thought for sure that there's no way that that could happen. But it has happened so many times that it has pointed out

that the government is inherently flawed and cannot fix these problems. It does not have the power to fix these problems right now. The only way to do it would be to elect an entirely democratic group of people and then they would have to limit their own power. There's like a sense that nobody can come into your house

and poop in your living room. Yeah. Right? Right. Right. But like, if your cousin shows up and poops in your living room,

you're just going to be real surprised. And just because your cousin poops in your living room, you're just going to be real surprised. And just because your cousin never shit in your living room up until yesterday doesn't change the fact that like, hey man, your cousin can shit in your living room. I'm so glad I don't know my extended family. This is Edward Zoll with the True News Special Report. Would you believe that there's an active attempt to mainstream pedophilia and sexualize children through one of America's most popular cartoons? You're about to be shocked

by what we've uncovered. Rick and Morty, how much longer are we going to tolerate this darkness in America? And more importantly, how much longer will God? With this true news special report, I am Edward Zoll. So this story comes from Deseret News. A bill requiring clergy to report child abuse confessions opposed by Utah Catholic's House Speaker. So this is kind of very much what it sounds like, but I do want to go through what they said. So they gave some reasoning in this article.

So here's how this should work, right? Somebody tells some other some human tells another human yeah hey I fuck kids and there should be a fucking responsibility by the person who just heard that to be like oh

I call police yeah right yeah yeah because there is no other possibility for a moral action, right? Like you cannot find out that somebody is a goddamn pedophile and be like, well, I'm really in a quandary about whether or not I should let the authorities know. It's a simple solution. Well, and if you are saying that, if you're saying we, we think this is holy, let me just read part of this because there's part of this is important. Let me just read part of this because part of this is important.

In the statement, the Catholic Diocese of Salt Lake City urges Utah Catholics to ask state legislators to oppose the bill, quote, that forces individuals to choose between their most sacred part of their religious beliefs and imprisonment. The very situation of the First Amendment was meant to protect against, end quote.

And what that means is, is that they want to be able to handle this in-house. they want to be able to hand but here's here's the fucking rub you haven't yet right you fucking haven't yet we've you've had all the opportunities to handle this to nip this in the bud to to uh to ostracize and excommunicate all kinds of kitty diddlers. You've had a parade. You've had a goddamn fucking stream of them for years and you've done nothing but chef them around. And if they are part of your congregation, we have no idea because you've never told us. So we don't know.

Maybe you can shame them with your religion to say, oh, you better go home and you better play with your fucking anal beads or whatever those fucking rosary things are. But there's no real repercussions for the actions that you take. ooh, you better go home and you better play with your fucking anal beads or whatever those fucking rosary things are. But there's no real repercussions for the actions that you take. This is the religious version of, come on, baby, give me one more chance.

I'll change, I promise. Right? Exactly. Like, I won't hit you again and again and again and again. It's unbelievable. Like, they're saying like, look, we're in a moral quandary because like religiously,

if somebody tells us something in confession that has to live in confession, that's wrong. That's morally wrong. You don't get to live in a world where that's morally the okay thing to do. They're saying like, look, our religion forbids this. And I'm saying like,

there's no world where you can have a religion that has any moral justification to hide from authority people who abuse and hurt and damage other people. Because the next stage of that is that person who abused and hurts and damages other people is going to keep doing it. And I'm not guessing at this. There's a history of this thousands and thousands of times over. We've run the numbers. Yeah. We've looked at sites that have had not only, and this is talking about people that might be part of the congregation, right?

But make no mistake, this is also to protect the people at the top. This is specifically for that too. It's not just, they're trying to make it out like, oh, you guys should contact your congressman so we won't tell on you if you fuck a kid or whatever. But they are definitely trying to cover their own ass because that's how these priests keep in contact with each other. They go to confession and do this stuff.

What baffles me is like most people have kids. Most people have. So like I think about like my world. It's like, well, you know, I really wish that like if we fucked a kid, you wouldn't say anything about it. Can you vote on that for me? I'm like, why would you say that out loud unless you're into, like, why? What the fucking no? Just don't ever do that.

I don't need to be protected in, like, I'll say this. Like, there are times when I've told people things in confidence, right? I have certainly told you things in confidence, right? Yeah. I have certainly told you things in confidence, right? I have, but I have never told you anything in confidence where you have had a moral quandary. Yeah, where I've had to be, I've had to look at myself in the mirror and say, should I call the police on Tom? Right. Right. Right. I just never been, never been a moment. Like, and you know, because I'm not awful. Yeah. Like I'm sometimes I'm not sure what to do. Sometimes I've made mistakes.

Sure. But like, I am never in a position where I need to hide a moral failing that hurts other people. Yeah. You know, what this says to me is, and this should say this to everybody out there who's a thinking person. So if you're on the fence, I don't think you'd be listening to our show if you're on the fence. I can't imagine that. But if you are on the fence about religion, just because something is religious doesn't mean it's legal or moral. It does not mean those things. Legal doesn't necessarily mean moral,

but clearly here, just because something's religious doesn't mean it's moral. And this is a clear evidence that religion is in many cases immoral. What is your secret to sexual success, Kerry? Well, I learned to play the guitar, Jim. Thank you, Kerry, king of slaps. And there you have it, incels. You're not entitled to sex if you want it. Learn a skill, get a haircut, or just be nice, you f***ing limp dick trolls.

So this story comes from thedailymail.com, which I love using the Daily Mail. Yeah, don't even have to bother doing this. I'm just going to go ahead and read the headline and summarize the article for you guys. Headline, Texas officials call incels an emerging domestic terrorist threat and warn of a possible rebellion

by involuntary celibate men spurred on by their perceived rejection by women. The good thing, though, is it's a one generation of rebellion. The rebellion ends. The sons of the incel army shall Oh boy. Alright, that didn't work.

I love the idea too that like, it's like the incels and their army of one because they're lonely, you know. It's an old army. They're just wearing old army gear because they were an army of one because they're lonely. Yeah. You know, just... It's an old army. They're just wearing old army gear because they were an army of one back in the day. All right, so we should go ahead and read the subheadings.

It'd be irresponsible not to. This study conducted by the Texas Department of Public Safety looked at the domestic terrorism impact in the state and the country at large. Most domestic terrorism in the state falls under a racially motivated anti-government, and single issue. I read that and I thought, like, well, it is Texas.

You know? Like, who's surprised that most of the terrorism in Texas is racially motivated? And I mean, let's be real honest. You gotta be a single issue terrorist these days. That's the key. You gotta be a single issue Texan these days. Like, you think most Texans can hold two ideas in their head at the same time

if they could they would leave texas holy shit i can multitask well that means i can pack the car and get a map yeah and hit the gas pedal right yeah holy shit study specifically mentions incels brian isaac clyde scott paul alex mishman chris for Christopher Harper Mercer, and Elliot Rodger. While most single-issue actors are known for attacking property, thought that was weird, the study noted that incels are one of the few groups that this isn't always the case. And I would say that the incels would argue with that.

They would say women are property, and that's who they're attacking. They are property, but they're all upset that they can't buy one. I want to say, or just get given one because they don't want to put any of the work in to do it. To have one some lovable. To be lovable.

To be someone worthy of love. Because what these people don't understand and you got to think about it just for two seconds Worthy of love, right? Because what these people don't understand, and you got to think about it just for two seconds, if you're in a relationship, and especially people in a relationship know this. Every relationship is a two-way street.

You have to be both lovable and loving in your relationship. People miss that. Right. They genuinely miss it. And they think, I deserve this. I deserve to be loved. No, you have to make yourself worthy of love. That's just fucking true.

And it may be obvious. But some people, clearly there's a whole group of people out there who are misses. It completely misses. They don't think they need to work to be loved. You have to work all the time. Try to be nice. Yeah, it's not obvious though. Because like you go online, you can read thread after thread where it's not obvious and there's this sense that like people

there's this new sense that i see when i when i read shit online and threads on and what have you where it's like well i deserve to be loved for who i am and who i am is slovenly and unpleasant and like mean spirit. And mean. But I still deserve to have somebody in my life because that's what I want. And if I don't have it, then anything they don't have, they resent other people for having. It is a fucked up, toxic, bullshit culture.

It's like, to your point, you don't deserve to have someone if you don't do the work to be deserving of someone. Sure. Absolutely. Nobody wakes up. Nobody. No matter how.

Nobody wakes up and like is obligated to look at you and go to bed with you that same night. Like every day you got to work for it. And these guys are just like, well, I shouldn't have to do anything. Somebody should love me for who I am. Not if who you are is a bad person. Not if who you are is mean and unpleasant and shitty and using. And what's crazy about this is that they all hold the same ideals, which are all very strange and very culty. And their ideas are that a woman is, if she's not a

virgin, she's a waste. She's essentially a wasted human being. She's given herself up to someone else and she's now stretched out and used. She can't be trusted anymore. They have to, and a lot of these people actually are like pedophiles. If you read some of this stuff, they say, yeah, I wouldn't want to even go after anyone

that's over 14 or things like that. It's awful. There's a subreddit. It's a subreddit called Insulteers. And it's a subreddit that I happen to subscribe to because I was curious about the insult community, but I didn't want to subscribe to an insult board. And what they do is they scour the insult boards for the worst and most horrible shit that these people say and then they post it on this insole tears thing so you can if you need if you

wanted to see some of the awful shit that they post it's just clipped from the places and some of the subreddits have been banned so they've gone out of their way to just say no you can't even play here anymore you're not even allowed to have a fucking reddit which is a low bar of communication that's a low bar. Space sticks has a Reddit guys. You can't even have a

Reddit. So, so they, they kicked them off and some of them are quarantined. And that means that I guess that they're being watched. I'm not quite sure exactly what quarantine means, but it doesn't matter for the, for the case of the story. And one of them is called short cells. And short cells are for people who think that they're too short to date and they think all women only love tall guys and they get down on their own brain because they think only women, they say if you're under six foot,

you're essentially worthless. And they think they're all worthless because they're like under six foot tall. Any excuse to blame someone else for their failing to be lik someone else for their failing to be likable, for their failing to be charming, for their failing to be and do the things that would attract

a mate. And I know too that the incel community is often tied to the pickup artist community, to that PUA community. I'm not familiar with that community. I read this crazy article in the Times, I don't know, a week or so ago about like, so like the pickup artist community is a community of people who use a series of psychological tricks and manipulations,

basically emotional abuse and gaslighting. Jesus Christ. To trick and abuse and capture women and make them, you know, to sleep with them and to treat them poorly. And like people teach classes on how to do this. And there's books that are published on how to do this. And like, it turns out like in China, like we've exported this particularly noxious toxic part of our culture to China. And And I know too that like there's parts of the incel community that are tied to that pickup artist community because they're all tied to that misogyny, right?

They're all connected to weird, broken ideas of a right to sexual access for a woman that is segregated from like an emotional connection to another human being. It's like, I should have access to fuck you, but I should not have to do anything to be connected with you. I have a right to your body,

but I don't have to earn it in any way. All that shit is super fucked up. You should want to have sex with me, but I shouldn't want to be emotional or have any of the other ties with you. I should just want to, we should just have, it should just be a hookup community. We don't even need to have respect for each other. Yeah, exactly. Like, it's just like, I'm going to use

your body to masturbate with. Exactly, yeah. You might as well buy a fuck doll. Right, exactly. Buy a fuck doll. Genuinely, seriously, if that's all you want out of a relationship, and you want none of the other things, use your hand, get VR porn, fuck your own hand, go buy a fucked owl, fuck that. Nobody cares. You're going to get off,

dude. It doesn't matter. That's the goal. Yeah. That's the goal. Hell, fucked owl might even smell better than a real ass. Go for it. You know what I mean? Like, like there's all kinds of bodily fluids that you got to deal with when you, when you, when you have sex with a real, with a real live boy. You know what I mean? But I'll tell you what, the moment you don't do that, all you got to do is pop that piece out and stick it in the dishwasher.

Fucking we're done. You got to wash it once, twice, three. That's what he was talking about. He put his fuck bot 2000 in there. You wouldn't believe how many times I had to watch this. Her legs up over her head all weird.

It's all fucking, her hips disjointed. I stuffed it in the fucking dishwasher. I pressed it once, twice, three times. Come on, crowd, give me a five, six, seven. And that's how long I lasted fucking that sex doll. He's never done anything 10 times. Are you kidding me? I want to talk too about this

incel community too that I found online because it's disturbing. The things that they say are disturbing and the way that they talk about women, women don't, women don't, in their minds,

women don't have emotions. Women don't have, they don't care about us. They don't care about us at all. And all they want is to have a baby. And it ranges from all they want to do is have a baby or all they want to do is fuck chads. That's where it ranges.

And I guess that those two could easily intersect. Right. I mean, easily intersect. But that's their mindset. They think about this all the time. Isn't there like a lot of like gold diggy stuff in there too? Yeah, that's almost certainly in there too. It's a really weird, really crazy community.

And I got to say, it's seriously one of the most toxic communities I've ever encountered. I will read stuff on there sometimes and just gasp aloud and be like, I can't believe that someone would write something like this. You know, one of the worst things about

like kind of where we're at socially right now is like we're at a place where those people are able to find each other and not recognize, they don't have to contend with the fact that they're wrong, right? They can go into a space and connect with a whole bunch of other people that tell them that they're right about this, that this is how the world works.

And they're going to say, this is the experience I had today, and this is how I feel, and this is what I think. And a bunch of other people are going to say, that is true. That is right. And they're going to reinforce that. And these echo chamber micro communities look so much bigger than the representation of the population that they are. Yeah, yeah. So when you look at this thing from the Daily Mail, even though it is from the Daily Mail, it is possible for these people to connect with each other and to spread that toxicity.

Yeah. And then to act on that toxicity. And for that toxicity to bleed into violent action in the real world, it's happened again and again and again. That's a new thing we now have to contend with. Like horrible, poisonous, toxic ideas don't die in a vacuum anymore because there are no more ideological vacuums.

All ideological vacuums are now ideological echo chambers. That's a weird space to be in now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, everybody. This audio comes from our live stream from Thursday. Make sure you're checking out the live streams every Thursday at around 9 p.m. Central. Here we go. That's answer number one.

Answer number two is the bitch died and they've cloned her numerous times. And we don't know who. Wait a minute. That's the worst cloning process in the history of ever. Because you just you you create a clone of RGB and then she's just as old as she was before. So it's so old. Let me out of the cloning crash. Kill me. Oh, it's oh i'm so old oh let me out of the cloning crash oh oh it's so old i have every pain i had before i was cloned this is the worst process that's ever happened to me someone murdered

me murder me are you fucking kidding me like seriously his solution is like is like a pod person's weekend at bernie's like it's weekend at bernie's the pod edition oh my god that's and i like too that they had like multiplicity her it's multiple versions somewhere out there there's a version of rpg like holding a piece of pizza into her we could Tom! We could just replace all the justices with nine RGBs! Yes! Oh! Abortion's legal forever! And you get an abortion and reach under your seat!

Penises! Actually, don't reach under your seat. It's a little messy. I put it there earlier. It's warm. You guys probably wonder what the smell in the studio was. Yeah, just leave it in the Tupperware. We set this up a week ago.

We really should have turned on the stage was. Just leave it in the Tupperware. We set this up a week ago. We really should have turned on the stage lights. It got a little weird. It's the worst cloning process ever, if that's the case. What are you doing? You're making an old person every time? We have to accelerate their age? I don't understand how this even works.

You know what I love? I love the idea that if you cloned her and you cloned her and somehow you made it. That's nonsense. You cloned her, but then you you cloned her and you cloned her and somehow you made like that's nonsense like you cloned her but then you also like cloned her then she was born and like prematurely aged i like the idea that you did all that but you had to do it a lot because each time you did it like you like she every time she had cancer she developed this cancer and died oh man we made a clone with the same cancer what are we thinking we could clone people and then advance to HM, but we can't cure cancer. There's like a prestige like bunch of like fucking aquariums full of RBG.

The prestige is floating. The prestige happens after every single Supreme Court decision. They all drop and drown in little tubes underneath, and then they wheel out the brand new RGB and like whoever else is on the Supreme Court Brett Brett Kavanaugh I love the way the only other reason I know Neil Gorsuch I would love to see them drown yeah I'm just saying like okay with part of it yeah I'm halfway there there's a thing I'd be okay with all of them going now cuz it's five four that's it guys guys it's 5-4. That was the only two options. That's it. Guys, guys, it's the only two options.

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Kyle said that they had a spooky sort of thing happen they were watching one night up in the sky and just saw some lights that were not blinking, following one right after another and then disappearing into the sky. They were following all the same path.

And they mentioned, they said that, you know, if they weren't skeptical, they'd probably think it's a UFO. No, it was a UFO. I mean, it was a UFO. People, one of the things that makes me crazy is when I read, and I know you're not saying this, Kyle, but they'll say the government released documents

that show that there was 10 UFOs that the Earth Force saw. And people will say, oh, see, there are UFOs. And you say, yeah, nobody ever disputed that there were UFOs. Unidentified flying objects have been around for a long time.

That doesn't mean it's an alien. Right. It just means it's an unidentified flying object. It's become synonymous with alien, but it's not alien. Yeah. Alien spacecraft would be the words you would use. That's the... Right. If you were using your language, you would use those. If the government released a thing called We Found Alien Spacecraft

Zoom Zooming About, that would be different. So Kyle thought about it for a bit and thought maybe it was just the sun had just gone down. Maybe sunlight was bouncing off the bodies of military aircrafts instead of lights because all the lights were blinking

and these lights were not blinking. And that might be an explanation for it. Sure. I'm sure there's other explanations out there of what you saw, Kyle. But yeah, it is one of those moments.

I remember one time I was driving with a friend and I looked up in the sky and I saw this thing. It no shit looked like a fucking 1950s UFO flying across, like an alien ship from the 1950s spinning across. I looked and I immediately got like, you know, like a shot of adrenaline in my heart. I was like, what the fuck? You know what it was? A paper plate? It was a bird. It was a bird that the light was just catching perfectly. And while it was flapping its wings, it made it look like it was spinning, but it was just a big like stork or

something, but it was really far away. Yeah. well, your eyes can't focus that far away. Your eyes seek patterns. It's trying to dig through all my memory to be like, what is that that you're seeing? Oh, you saw that on the TV once. It must be this thing. It was a fucking bird. You know what I mean?

I've seen, I've also had that experience where you're driving and you're like, what the fuck is that light up there? And it looks like it's going really fast, but since you're in a car, relatively it makes it feel like it's going really fast, but since you're in a car, relatively, it makes it feel like it's going fast. I've had that experience before.

I've seen UFOs before, but it's just because I'm not smart enough to know what it was. That's all. I also think there's a certain level of like, curiosity that like, I just don't, like I see something like,

I don't know what it is. And I don't think again. You just don't care about it anymore? Like this morning, like I heard like a weird whistling sound like and like hayley woke me like what is that i was like i don't have to get up for a half an hour yeah i don't care what that is it's a whistle like she's like she laughs like aren't you curious it's like not enough to get up a half an hour before i have to get up yeah yeah like it could be a gnome with a harmonica in the bathroom. I don't care. It could be the oven ready to blow up.

I have a half an hour. Call me in 30 minutes, oven. We got a lot of messages from people about the healthcare system in the United States. So many. I want to let you guys know, we read all your messages. We don't want to read a lot of these because we are worried, you know,

we don't want to let everybody know what your problems are. But we want you to know that what we read was heartbreaking in a lot of cases, people having cancer, people not being able to get treatment for certain things. There was a horror stories online. I'm not going to betray who it was,

but one person said that they wound up getting their jaw wired shut in our Facebook page, on our Facebook, on our fan page. Somebody had to get their jaw wired shut. They were able to afford that,

but they were not able to afford the amount to get it unwired. And somebody had to get their jaw wired shut. They were able to afford that, but they were not able to afford the amount to get it unwired. They had to unwire it with pliers. They passed out a couple times over a couple days. Just bloody as fuck, but they were able to unwire their own jaw. Oh my God. Could you imagine? That's like some Nick Offerman shit from

fucking Parks and Rec. It is. It's broken. The thing we have which isn't a system is broken. Guys, thank you for. It is. It's broken. Yeah. The thing we have, which isn't a system, is broken. Guys, thank you for sending your messages. And to all of our listeners in like civilized parts of the world, God, I hope we get there.

Yeah, I know. It's just a way better system and you're not paying as much. And it's so funny because the other night on the debates, they start off the debates with, if you were going to go to war, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they never mentioned, for a moment,

they never mentioned how much the war is going to cost. But as soon as they got to the healthcare system, how are you going to pay for it? It's like, how are we going to pay for all those wars? It's like, they cost so much more money. Yeah, we are lying. It's like, we can dig up the five or six trillion dollars to go adventuring in iraq and afghanistan and nobody's like what can we afford another humvee yeah like we're not but like it's

like well you know i'd like to not be sick all the time well i don't know if i got enough money in the couch cushions so uh we got a message um uh this is from river. And they said that we had talked about a gay man that had killed himself. And we had said committed suicide. And we didn't realize this, but evidently that's a holdover from when suicide was considered a crime or at least still carries those connotations.

And so now we should try to say died by suicide or completed suicide. We didn't realize that, River. We will try to say died by suicide or completed suicide. It didn't realize that river. We will try to change our language in the future. Is something that never occurred. I will try to be more conscious of that, but I can guarantee I'll say it wrong. We're going to do our best, but I grew up my whole life saying that I will try my very best to not say it, but I, it's something that didn't even occur to me. So, yeah. So that is going to wrap it up for this week. You heard on this week, we had a live stream.

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