Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 515: Knowledge Fight

Episode Date: March 16, 2020

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is cognitive dissonance sorry it's coronavirus I just want to speed over should we all have distance we're distance we gotta socially distance we're socially distancing motherfucker

I've been socially distant my whole fucking life I've been doing it my whole life too socially awkward is that the same thing I think it is probably the same thing touching myself in public.

This is Cognitive Dissonance. Every episode we blast anyone who gets in our way. We bring critical thinking, skepticism, and irreverence to any topic that makes the news,

makes it big, or makes us mad. It's skeptical. It's political. And there is no welcome mat. This is episode 515. And it is fight night.

Oh, fight night is back, everybody. I want to do like a Bruce Buffer thing. Like I got to do like that. Are you ready to rumble? Are you ready to rumble? Bruce Buffer? Bruce Buffer. Wait, no.

Bruce Buffer. Now I'm confused. Bruce Buffer. Isn't that what I said? I don't know. Did you say that? It's Michael Buffer. It's Michael Buffer, no. Bruce Buffer. Now I'm confused. Bruce Buffer. Isn't that what I said? I don't know. Did you say that? It's Michael Buffer. It's Michael Buffer, man.

Michael Buffer is the old boxing one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bruce Buffer is the guy from the UFC. There's a UFC guy? Wait, what the fuck? Where have you been? I don't watch people fight. Then why are you commenting about fight announcers?

Hold on. What is happening right now? I'm just jumping in. You two need to fight about this. And I will be the Bruce Buffer. Oh, you got to announce it. Yeah. You got to announce it.

Ladies and gentlemen. My amazing Bruce Buffer joke is so... Then you would be doubting whether it was Bruce Buffer. People might be wondering, too, who's in the studio. I thought maybe they won't. It's Knowledge Fight, the Knowledge Fight podcast. Guys, thanks for joining us. Thanks for having us.

Hi. We have been stockpiling Alex Jones stories for the last six months in hopes that we would have you back in studio to chat about it. We had such a great time last time. They're starting to ferment and be not so fresh. At this point, the bucket hath overflown.

Wow. You know, this is a really terrible time to have us on. You know, there's not really much going on these days with Alex. Not many people are paying attention to him. He's not really in the zeitgeist. It's true.

We've reached our legal limit with Alex Jones. It's the legal, 0.8% I think it is that's the legal limit of stories. If you're over that, it does cause some problems.

Cause some issues, especially in Texas. So we should get started and talk a lot because we have a lot to talk to you guys about today. And we know you guys

have been covering Alex Jones. We're going to talk about coronavirus today. Alex Jones' thoughts on the coronavirus. We're going to talk about coronavirus today. Alex Jones's thoughts on the coronavirus. We're going to talk about Alex Jones's. Think about that sentence.

Just pause and remember that you said that sentence. I want to say it again. Alex Jones's thoughts on coronavirus. Thoughts. How do you say that when I'm laughing?

You can't. You can't even do that. Raspberries carry it. Why did that berry have all those little pockets? It's for a reason little bulbs you pop them

full of coronavirus oh we also want to talk about a little bit of Sandy Hook stuff that happened and we also want to specifically talk about

Alex Jones's the person who left his organization and wrote a big op-ed about him and finally we want to talk about

what was the other one oh him at the gun rally we want to talk about, what was the other one? Oh, him at the gun rally. We want to talk about him at the gun rally. Sure. Cool. Because he showed up in like a Batmobile

or something. He did. He's taken to traveling in a tank lately. Let's start there. Let's start there. If you can travel by tank, you should travel by tank.

And in fact, it's your moral responsibility to travel by tank. Look, here's the thing. The Second Amendment allows tanks. And we should all agree. I don't know if that's true. There are those who make that argument.

Counterpoint, they didn't take his tank away. That's true. So, you know, just, okay. So here's the thing that he drives around in. Yeah. Looks like a Humvee that like a fourth grader decorated.

Yeah. Like if a fourth grader knew how to weld. I think you nailed it. Okay, what if I put some more it looks like a racist

Ecto-1. All I see is something Indiana Jones should rip him out of and toss him on the side and then hang from for a while.

Fist fight him as he gets caught in a propeller. Absolutely. My favorite part of this so-called tank is the winch on the front of it because it suggests he's going to get stuck somewhere. He is going to get stuck somewhere. If he gets arrested again.

He will be stuck there. That motherfucker has never taken this thing off the road one time. You look at it, it's beautiful and pristine. There's not a scratch on it. It's a show winch. At what point, like what goes wrong in your life that you're like, you know what I want?

I want a decorative winch. That's like when fucking Ted Cruz or whatever wore a Carhartt jacket. Rick Perry. Rick Perry did it. Rick Perry wore a Carhartt jacket. You're like, you've never done a work. What are you fucking kidding me?

Your hands are smoother than a baby's butt. Oh, absolutely. Rick Perry, former enemy of Alex Jones, who Alex now likes because he's in Trump's administration.

Wait. Former enemy? Yeah, he used to hate Rick Perry because he was, you know, down in Texas. And Alex hates all authority figures.

Oh, that's right. That's right. He bullhorned Rick Perry's home, calling him a globalist. Because he went to, was it Bilderberg, I think? It's actually in one of his- Bilderberg? Where they make the little- That's right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Alex Jones. How much would you pay to see Alex Jones at Bilderberg? Rick Perry built a teddy bear. Have you ever seen Velveteen Rabbit? That's what's happening now. That's what's happening now.

Wake up. All of the teddy bears are killing us. Get rid of them. They will come to life. You don't want them to have a picnic on your watch. The thing I love most about this tank is that it's so similar to real tanks in how it has the slot where the guy can sit and take pictures on it. The Rob Do popping his head out the back.

They put in a marketing slot later on. It's one of those things that they have to include now for the Army of One stuff. It's important for them. Most tactical vehicles definitely have a press army. It's important for them. Most tactical vehicles definitely have a press person. This is my selfie stick. There are many like it, but this one is mine. Let me just say, it's a shit job

in a jet. It's a fucking terrible job. It's the worst. Drop the camera again! Whoopsie! I want to set the background for this. He's at a giant rally where a bunch of people stood around

outside of, I think it's Virginia's state house because they were trying to say maybe we should do something about guns

and they flipped their shit. And it was Virginia so I think they were like, maybe the guns shouldn't have smaller guns that live inside of them.

Like the Chinese nesting doll. Maybe the guns shouldn't shoot out tiny people that also have guns. That shoot out tiny people that also have guns. I recognize that it's a Russian nesting doll, but we've made the joke so many times. Yeah, now it has to be a Chekhov nesting doll. That's the rule. My brain has been fried by alex yeah it's uh the i believe this was a situation where the uh virginia state legislature had flipped uh to democrat yeah and everybody all the gun weirdos got really uh defensive about all the the talk of possible gun bills getting

passed and like background check expansion and things like that. How horrible would that be if we like knew who had the gun? Like if we were like, okay, we don't want crazy people and criminals to have guns. We're like, well, I'm a hard pass on that rule.

And then Alex Jones shows up and you're like, you know what? I kind of agree. No, you know, he showed up and now he was changed by mine. In order to stop these terrible laws we will demonstrate why they are necessary

by gathering together in a violent manner and terrifying the secret people and being a little crazy about it it all went off pretty decently though

like in terms of there not being a ton of violence and stuff but I think that's just because anybody who would have been counter demonstrating told everyone like stay home yeah well and they also passed law they said like you can't bring guns to the gun rally right they're like no arms at the

arms control rally we shouldn't have to say this i gotta say though looking through these photos one thing that did pop out to me is it seems like people from across the divide of left and right on this seem to be able to reach and say, no, I think we all kind of want guns. Because there was a Black Guns Matter shirt that I saw that I thought, oh, okay, well, there's a guy who clearly is probably left. And there's a couple other people that clearly look like they're – there's definitely some right people. Trump is awesome or whatever was a couple of shirts and whatever you and on gun weirdos yeah it's but but alex can't make mass arrests if you don't have mass arms that's not possible god i think to to an extent there is like a bipartisan argument for gun ownership sure like i don't think that uh that's unique to the right. I think showing up in a tank

is unique to, well... Alex Jones? Yeah. Not just the right. Do you know if he drives this thing around? Is it like a Red Bull mobile that, like, it's like...

Who talks it? Like, where is it? He stands outside and gives his mixtape out to people. He does show up other places. He went to, like, a Hillary rally and bullhorned people in it. people or whatever. He does show up other places. He went to like a Hillary rally and bullhorn people in it.

He went to the Trump rally in Texas in it. It's a publicity stunt. Yeah, the tank is busy. It's not worth it, but it's busy. It's unclear whether he owns it too. I'm not sure. Oh, like a rent-a-tank situation? He's indicated that it might not own it, but then

at other times he said he did buy it if he did buy it it's an extreme expenditure for him like because just months ago before the coronavirus panic started like he was talking about how he was going out of business within the year and like it was yeah he was in a rough financial time he leases it out monday wednesday friday it's a bookmobile yeah basically But it's all the anarchist cookbooks. It's just one book. It is a baller promobile. You're getting laid if it's a southern state.

Guaranteed. Guaranteed. Well, yeah. I mean, they're not allowed to say no in the South. I mean, it's your sister, but she's still getting laid. So why'd you say but? No, that's fair. That's fair.

I like that the first thing you noticed was the winch on it. I had no idea. Why is it there? What is this? Really? That's a man who's towed stuff before. Who tows with a winch? All right.

I don't know. I've never used a winch before in my goddamn life. You're not sorry. You're towing from the... I can only tow in reverse. That's it. Okay, I'm going to stay here and pull you to me. You're towing from the free. I can only tow in reverse. That's it. Okay. I'm going to stay here and pull you to me.

Pull you to me. It's going to be like anal. Just back up into me. I do want to talk about this story from New York times. Victoria Sandy Hook tormentor is arrested in Florida. This guy looks like he's arrested in Florida. What disease does he look like? He seriously looks like,

okay, guys ever seen weird science? Yeah He seriously looks like... Okay, guys, have you ever seen Weird Science? Yeah. He looks like the guy that gets turned into the blob. You know what I mean? Like when Chet gets turned into the blob. It's like half...

No, I was going to say halfway in between the blob transformation, but I think it's full blob transformation. I think at this point, you've reached peak blob. Not to shit on him, but that's Gerard Depardieu. I'll tell you that right now.

That's what that is. That's what that is. Oh, boy. So this guy basically followed around. So they did an expose on This American Life. A bunch of people have heard it. And they basically interviewed this fellow who was just harassed by the people who didn't think Sandy Hook was a thing. And really, they followed him around.

And this was one of the main perpetrators. Yeah, the father. Leonard Posner. Yeah, Leonard Posner is the main focus of this story, too. Because the person who, this person was charged with unlawful possession of personal identification. It wasn't her personal identification. It was Leonard Posner's personal identification. He was sending it out to people too he was emailing out his social security number

to people this dude's a fucking mess apparently not can you write it on a bathroom stall? I just want to know what the rules are the rules are changing all the time you can only do it if your social security number is 867-5309 then you can put it wherever you want what about if I'm guaranteed a good it if your social security number is 867-5309. Then you can put it wherever you want.

What about if I'm guaranteed a good time from that social security? In that case, there is a loophole. A glory hole, actually, not a loophole. Exactly. All right. Hey, all right. Yeah, this dude's a menace. This guy is real terrible.

And he was a good friend of Alex's for a bit. They said he was an Alex Jones contributor. Yeah, these pieces of language always become really difficult to suss out, because obviously, he never worked at InfoWars, but he was one of the main contributors of information about Sandy

Hook, and he was on the show a bit in 2013, 2014, maybe into 2015, even. So yeah, I mean, you could definitely call him a contributor. I would say that's fair. But Alex gets around these things

by like never really employing these people. And so like- He's like SB Nation in that way. If I don't pay them and I just take their information from them, they don't work for me. So then a lot of articles will come out and I'm not sure about this one

in the times here that you have up, but a lot of them will make the like Inf I'm not sure about this one in the Times here that you have up, but a lot of them will make the InfoWars contributor and employee or something like that, and then he can be like, ah, you never worked here, that kind of thing. He can get defensive about it, but it's bullshit. He was absolutely like a source, a main source for him. A main source of made-up information. Why do you need a source for that?

That's the part it's like, that's a fiction writer. You could just have one person on your staff if they're just making everything up. You could go to the local game store and hire a GM. Somebody runs Dungeons & Dragons on the weekend.

They can make shit up too. But for real, like, oh, here's what I dug up. Here's what you made up. You didn't come from anywhere. It's some shit you literally made up out of whole cloth because that's how lies work. You didn't come from anywhere. It's some shit you literally made up out of whole cloth because that's how lies work.

You didn't find a truth somewhere. You got to have people to dispense the responsibility to. It's like a fence. It's like having a fence for stolen goods. It's like laundering money. Yeah, yeah, basically. Absolutely. He launders right-wing narratives.

So he'll take it from the craziest possible world and turn it into Alex Jones crazy. And then you'll have a, what's an intermediary, but you'll have a Breitbart take it from an Alex Jones crazy and turn it into a Breitbart crazy. Maybe not a Breitbart, like a zero hedge. Yeah, a zero hedge, that kind of thing. And it just works its way up until

it's so laundered. Until it reaches Fox News. Until Tucker Carlson is saying that the Chinese are causing coronavirus fears. Like, it's the whole thing. In order to attack Trump. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So the narratives start at the cesspool of the bottom right and work their way up to Hannity is getting people to burn down houses. Like, that's where it lives. And then it starts over again, right? Because then Hannity feeds that narrative back to all these other fucking yahoos. and he got it he legitimizes it just like you do with like you said laundering legitimizes it yeah yeah yeah and alex does that on the like more elementary level with like uh you know with this guy wolfgang he's saying all this crazy nonsense about uh sandy hook shooting and alex will have him on and interview him as a, like, one of the best school safety experts in the country. So he'll present him as like this credible expert.

He went to school his whole life and stayed safe. Yeah. No, that's all you need. Yeah. So he'll like boost the credibility of it. And because of the slickness and, I don't know, more popularity alex's show uh it'll end up packaging it way better than you could on a dumb blog or something like that which is where this sort of thing the wolfgang was putting out belong like maybe reddit or something back at that

point yeah he at one point they talk in this in this article about all the public information requests that this guy put in, asking about really crazy shit, like how much gore was there, how much brain matter was there, how much blood was on the scene. He's asking about- The Supreme Court kicked him out in 2000, actually. Did they really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. How much gore was there? God damn it. God damn it. You guys. God damn it. No, no, no. This is their fault. This is their part. That was good. You guys. God damn it. No, no, no. This is their fault.

This is their part. That was good. You take my side. I'll allow it. Just like Gore, that joke was a winner that still somehow lost. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. Thank you. Tom, we're the ones who are going to decide whether that joke is good or not without their input. Oh, so without their input. With a screen card. Oh, no. I Supreme Court? Without their input. With a Supreme Court.

Oh, no! I lost them both? Two thumbs down. Sorry. He betrayed me. He just publicly defended me. I'm flipping it over, man. I'm flipping it over.

Oh, God damn it. But this guy asked for a bunch of information. He hounded, not only hounded the people who were in charge of all this information, but he also hounded this poor man and put his information up all over the place. When we heard that story on This American Life, this isn't uncommon. There was more people than just one person hounding this poor man across the country. He's tuning psychos up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's hard to know exactly, unless you're Mr. Posner, like exactly the extent of that. But yeah, there have definitely been other cases that people have gotten arrested. Like there was a lady who, I believe it was, she sent a death threat to Mr. Posner.

Oh my God. And I was like, you're going to get it. Watch your back, that kind of thing. And in part of her conditions of release, it was you can't listen to InfoWars. That was one of the things that the judge put a restriction on. They put a little bracelet on her ear. I honestly don't know how you can follow that.

But yeah, I mean, there's obviously... Parole officers test your blood every week in order to make sure... That you're not positive for Infowars. I've always been amazed. Sorry, you have too much colloidal silver in there. I know you've been listening to him. Holy shit, that would actually be a good test.

Maybe not colloidal silver because other people sell that, but if you found a product that was unique to Alex. I don't know what he sells, but yeah. You're full of toxic Chinese supplements. He's only got a few things that he talks about. I have always been amazed that none of those families,

like their kids were just murdered and now they're harassed. I'm always amazed that they're not like, I'm going to fucking kill somebody. Like you fucking, like these are people already. I imagine they do feel that.

And they don't, but like to their credit, the aggrieved are never the ones who act out and they are, they are the ones who are aggrieved. None of those guys are getting arrested. Like I have to feel that like there's a part of me that's like oh you somebody

shot my kid and then somebody else had the nerve to like harass me about it like i'm gonna go fuck that person up right so you're you're thinking of instituting a mulligan rule for a grieved man if you're a victim you get one you get one that's the rule i'm not gonna ask questions you get one. You get one. That's the rule. I'm not going to ask questions. You get one. You get one tag that's given you. You got to put it on their ear after they're dead. You just clip them right on. That's it. I tagged my wolf gang. It's not a funny answer,

but I think that that's because those people just had a loved one killed, and they probably are in a process of grieving. And they're dealing with it in a healthy way, and then it doesn't lead to murderous way. And then, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't lead to like murderous rage. But I'm glad. But I guess that's the thing.

Or at least they have an outlet to talk to somebody about those feelings. Death Wish is not a movie about healthy grieving. Yeah. That is not what Death Wish is about. All right. Death Wish 3, on the other hand. Absolutely healthy grieving.

Wait a minute. John Wick. John Wick 2. Yeah. John Wick again. Yeah. John Wick again. Yeah. How many people in Death Wish 1?

Like 10 maybe? Maybe. If your body counts over 300, that's healthy grieving and that's Death Wish 3. That's right. I'm just,

I'm saying like to their credit that they haven't done it. Like to their credit, none of them have behaved badly. They have, all of the victims

of that horrible tragedy have all behaved by and large not at the very least illegally when harassed yeah it's like it's kind of like it's kind of astonishing given the level of shit that they had to suffer what's crazy is that you get you're in the grieving process and then you you might be trying to eventually move past that but you can't because you keep being thrown back into the grieving process over and over and over again. I couldn't imagine this, Mr. Posner's,

what he has to go through because his poor child died and now it's over and over and over again. He's got to fight court cases. He's getting his information sent all over the place. And then he's got to- But move a bunch. And he was the one who successfully sued Alex Jones, right? At least it was his group

that successfully sued him or was... Yeah, him and a bunch, like some of the other relatives. So it's like a class action suit kind of. It's still ongoing. That case isn't going to be... I believe the current estimate is the end of this year

is when it'll get to trial. But Alex is just engaged in so many stalling tactics that it might end up getting postponed even into next year. Holy shit. No, my theory on the tank

is that he's trying to Brewster's millions before the court cases come down. He's going to buy that stamp. He's going to buy that fancy stamp at the end. He's going to get everything

out of it, like get all of his money away and then be like, hey, you can have everything I got, which is zero. Yeah. And my kids are gone.

Then Leonard Posner gets a tank. And he's to drive it into this guy's house. He gets to rent a tank, okay? To be fair, though, like this is kind of a free speech issue. And at the end of the day, if you exclude all the victims, this is a victimless crime. I can't argue with that. Isn't that the free speech argument? It's like, well, I mean,

if you don't include all the people who are victimized, this is a victimless crime. Hey, if you discount the casualties, World War I was good for climate change. Like, let's be honest. If you get rid of all the, you know, it's good stuff.

A little awkward, not gonna lie. Yeah, and this too, like with Wolfgang Halbig getting arrested, and also the other guy who Alex got a lot of his information from, Jim Fetzer, who wrote the book No One Died at Sandy Hook and also likes to deny the Holocaust. Nice. He likes to. That dude also was successfully sued by the Sandy Hook relatives.

That case actually did go to trial. And so those sort of indications make it look really bad for Alex moving forward. I have no idea how these cases work. So I wouldn't want to put a prediction on it. But like I see the signs as not being promising. Well, okay. But he has, to be fair, lost every single time he's gone to court, right? Like, every time he's gone to court

and, like, made a motion for something, I don't think it's been successful yet. Well, there have been hundreds of times that he has, but you've never heard about them, according to Alex. Around the Sandy Hook issue. According to Alex. Yeah, yeah.

He says he's won all of these other court cases you've never heard of, but... I've never heard of them, and there's no public record of things which are very much public record. Right, but for his purposes, in the same way that

if you try and sue like Exxon for killing everybody, it's always they're going to send motion after motion that they know is not going to go through, but it's going to take another four weeks

before they have to do anything. And hopefully, I guess the idea is you're going to run out of money. I have enough money to put 8 million motions in there for 10 years. I can buy a tank. Exactly.

Yeah, yeah. So maybe you'll give up or maybe we'll be able to settle for an apology. Like that is the level of... Yeah, like the Chobani guy. Yeah, exactly. They just made him say

he was sorry and that Chobani is the best product on earth. Yeah. I'm still pissed about that. That is... He should have sued him into the fucking ground. That's a guy who had the money to do it.

Absolutely. He had the money to run him through. And he had the money not to care, too, which is a bummer. The funniest thing is, like, a week before he settled that lawsuit, Alex got on his show, and he was like, I will win this case or I will die. I will die before I lose this case. And then the next thing he's like, I'm really sorry.

I'm really sorry. Dear Mr. Chobani. Turns out I don't want to die. I will die before I lose this case. And then the next thing he's like, I'm really sorry for this. I'm really sorry. Here, Mr. Chobani. Turns out I don't want to die. I was just kidding. Hamdi Olakai is a good man. Sorry about that, guys. He's like eating Chobani while he's doing the apology. Delicious, by the way.

Full of probiotics. You'd love it. Whatever happened to Cosby? Is this good? Am I doing this right? Is this good? I will never read Breitbart again. He's got to write it on the blackboard a bunch of times.

That's essentially what they had to do. Write something on the blackboard a bunch of times. He didn't do it. Absolutely. Yeah, it's like a slap on the hand.

But, you know, I remember watching that and thinking, well, this could be a change in his tone because now he's finally realized that if he does go after people, he might have to really pay for it. And it wasn't at all. It wasn't even a blip.

He didn't care. No, I think his audience is so insulated from reality that when he comes out and he does this apology on his own show for the clear wrong that he did to the guy who runs Chobani, like his audience will be like, this is clever. This is, this is. Oh, he's tricking him.

4D chess. Everything is 4D chess. When you lose, you win. He's not actually sorry. He just doesn't want to deal with all this bullshit. That kind of thing. Jesus Christ.

Yeah, it's, it's a. I fucking love that deflection shit because these guys are now so good at it. I really don't. I really hate it. I hate it so much. When I say, when I just, when I say are now so good at it. I really don't. I really hate it. I hate it so much.

When I say I love it, I mean I'm amazed by it. I'm astonished. I'm kind of in awe of the way somebody can just be like, you know what's not real? Reality. That thing I said, didn't say it.

It's on tape. There's me watching it. I can play it for you. I didn't play it. Never happened. Didn't say it. Something else happened. This isn't happening isn't happening no you're not here you didn't hear this and people are just like well that all makes a lot of sense when you say like well you know maybe you can't trust the media like what do you what the fuck is going on yeah it's uh it's it's

staggering let's let's shift gears because the coronavirus is on everybody's mind, I'm sure. The what? And so we should talk a little bit about how Alex is handling the coronavirus and what his thought process is on it. We need to turn to our leaders in this time of crisis. So far, the Republicans have really sort of been unfazed by a lot of things. Sure. He saw Matt Gates wearing that gas mask. Yeah. Hold on. Let's quickly call him from house quarantine and see what he's doing.

We'll Skype into him. That's one of those things. That's, that's the same thing with Alex's apology. It's like you expect him to now be humble, but he's not going to be. You wear a gas mask and then you have to quarantine yourself. It's like, expect him to now be humble, but he's not going to be. No, no. You wear a gas mask and then you have to quarantine yourself.

It's like, hey, dick, don't do stuff like that. Now he's going to keep doing stuff like that. Absolutely. Because it never happened somehow. Yeah. And people won't remember. Right. What is Alex Jones saying? First off, what is his theories?

Because clearly he's got some theories that are different from, it's just a virus. It's just a virus. So what is, what are some of the things that. I got it. I got to tell you,

I don't know. Okay. Like he, it changes a lot. His, his sort of take on it has, has changed as more information has come in. So,

you know, at the beginning. So he's gotten more accurate as, as he's been reading more in-depth information. I like the shaking of that. No, you know, at the beginning... So he's gotten more accurate as he's been reading more in-depth information. I like the shaking of that. No, no, no.

Why would that change his mind? Like, that's kind of an interesting evolution. It's like, I made something up. Here's some new information. I'll make up something

different in response to that. Right. Day to day. Day to day. It's amazing. When you ask me what are some of Alex's theories,

my only response is, what do you think is going on? As a normal, rational human being who is paying attention to the news, who is taking a measured response, thinking about the risks versus what's going on, you're thinking something. Alex is thinking literally everything else. Everything else. It's all on the table. It's all there. The Chinese are killing us. No, actually,

Trump is covering up that he's killing the Chinese. It's insane. Yeah, he's hit a lot of bases so far. But the things that have stuck are he believes that it's man-made. Okay. It's a man-made bioweapon. Even though that has been shown, they've shown that that's man-made. Okay. It's a man-made bioweapon. He goes back.

Even though that has been shown, they've shown that that's not the case. He uses a couple of really misused and bad pieces of information from the media. From a guy who looks like a lump on a weird science movie. More or less.

How fired do you think you are if you build a bioweapon that's super easy to catch but then only kills the elderly. Second question. Are you a globalist? Because that's a promotion, my friend. Well, see, it's simple because if that's the problem, then you just change the conspiracy into it being like, well, social security costs a lot of money.

So the globalists want to kill off all the old people. Oh, you know what? When you guys got to the studio, I forgot to ask you if you're hungry because I'm going to eat a fucking gun listening to that. I mean, it's legit. Like, try me. Say anything and whatever responds to you. Okay.

It's ridiculous. Did he mention the bat thing? Somebody like liquefied a bat and drank a bat? No, not really. No, we're not on Batgate. I heard somebody say that it's from Bat Soup. That one's not good for his bottom line. You're not going to scare anyone with that one.

Okay. Is that a Charlie Chaplin sequel? Bat Soup? Bat Soup? Is that a good one? It's the Marx Brothers. I didn't see that. Sorry.

Sorry. My apologies. My apologies. He's more into making you afraid of things. and bat soup is like no but yeah right that's more just xenophobic at his core i see i see yeah i mean it's not like you're gonna run into bat soup on the block no but you may run into an asian person that you can punch so we gotta make sure we stoke those fires initially also it was a race specific bioweapon that was like only it was gonna take out Asian people.

Yeah, that one lasted a long time. And it went away, and then now it's sort of come back. It's very unclear. Honestly, I knew that you were going to ask, probably, about his position on it. And like, I can't give you a summation of it. I have no idea. There's too much. It's information overload.

It changes a lot. And like I said, the only consistency is really that he believes it's just information overload. It changes a lot. Like I said, the only consistency is really that he believes it's man-made. He believes that Obama sold it to China back in 2015. What the what? Like you do, Tom. Obama just had it laying around like, you know what? I've gotten rid of you.

He believes Hillary Clinton sold uranium one to Russia. Whatever you want, Obama or Hillary or whomever sold it to somebody. What do you got? If he sold it, though, I just hope it was in

that Marcellus Wallace briefcase. Oh, yeah. Where they open it up and it's shining and, you know, they just close it up. Yeah,

I think it would be great. Oh, my God. Say what again, motherfucker? Say what again? Next year, I want a silver briefcase and I just want to have

a light installed in it and I'll bring it to work and want a silver briefcase and I just want to have a light installed in it and I'll bring it to work and open it at every meeting and it's open and have that light kind of shine. Oh, perfect. It'd be fucking money. It'd be perfect. I also feel like if it opened,

it's got to hiss. Like you've got to, it's got to, like with a little steam, there's got to be some sort of steam. All I would do is carry dry ice in it all day. Oh yeah, for sure. It's got to be in like one of those,

one of those really highly protected vials that's shock-resistant sort of vial with two metal pieces on the end. I just have this whole vision that you've got to make sure. You've got to sell it because you can't just walk in and be like, yeah, here's a formula. Just follow this. It's a piece of paper. No, no, no.

You've got to walk into the president of China, lay it on the desk, snap it, it hisses, you open it up, and then you have your bioweapon ready to go. That's already packaged. Pre-packaged. Packaging is everything. They'll tell you that in marketing. Packaging is everything. And the hardest part is like trying to sneak it out of the park and past the dinosaurs.

Absolutely. You got to put it in a barbosal can. Absolutely. For sure. That's difficult. That's difficult. Absolutely. Especially when you have to stand still all the time in order to keep from being seen.

How do you even... It's the worst game of red light, green light anybody's ever seen. Stuck on freeze for freeze time forever. So I hear that he's been reprimanded for trying to sell shit. Yeah. Based on this, though.

Yeah, it's been bad. And I'm glad that folks are catching up. I don't remember where exactly uh people started uh posting it in like sort of larger venues but we've been documenting for like the last month and a half or so his his he's been selling this nano silver that he has as if it's so small it's tiny he says that it can knock out all the like coronavirus family of viruses. And it's based on what he has is there is a silver wound gel that he has that has been apparently it's undergone testing and it's been approved for topical use. Okay.

That will protect you from viruses and bacteria. You just have to coach your entire body out like the predator. Well, hiding from a predator. I still don't know if that would help because you have to coat your entire body in it like the predator? Well. Like you're hiding from a predator? I still don't know if that would help because you have to breathe. Okay, that's fair. All right. The wound gel with the nanosilver apparently does have that testing behind it, but he's applying that to other products that are taken differently.

Okay, but isn't it a scientific truth that something that works topically will also work systemically, which is why if you run out of antibiotics, you can just eat Neosporin from the tube and you'll be just fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, basically. It's good on toast. It's better than Vegemite. That's Vaseline. Yeah, so that's

the kind of game he's been in. He's been doing it a bit and we've seen that probably make him a lot of money. And then just now, was it the New York State's Attorney General sent a cease and desist because Jim Baker fucked the game up. Yeah, Jim Baker did the same thing. He went too public with it. Alex could have gotten away with it the whole time if Jim Baker hadn't have fucked around.

We covered that. He pissed in the pool. Yeah, we covered that. And there was a guy on his show, and it wasn't even his product.. And there's a guy on his show and it wasn't even his product. That's the thing that got me with Baker is it wasn't even his product. He was hawking a product for some asshole who came to visit him and sing his praises

and talk about his buckets. And he had a product and he's quizzing the person. He's saying, so this will kill coronavirus. And they said, yeah, in 12 hours, it will eradicate all coronavirus in your body. It'll arrest it. Or so they said some stupid, in 12 hours, it will eradicate all coronavirus in your body. It'll arrest it. It's some stupid shit.

It'll beat it up. It'll take its lunch money. It'll dump its books. I don't even know. It'll fucking give it a wedgie before it kicks it out. But he clearly said it. And then immediately afterwards,

he got cease and desist. Because he can't do that stuff. Yeah, I mean. Turns out, during a public health emergency, might not be the thing you want to do. You know what, though?

You know what I love is that finally, maybe it takes a public health emergency, but finally people are saying, like, stop saying that shit! Because most of the time,

we've covered a million of these people that do this. And they say it, and nobody ever stops them from saying it. For decades. Ever. For decades.

Some of those women and men who've been hawking the cancer cures and the chiropractic cancer cures, they've been talking about it for years. The decades. For decades. Some of those women and men who've been hawking the cancer cures and the chiropractic cancer cures, they've been talking about it for years. The entire goop infrastructure is based around spurious health claims. It's like, okay, at least when we have this public health

crisis, somebody's like, all right, not this one. You can say it cures cancer, but for some reason, not coronavirus. Like, your logic is a little fa faulty here but I understand that like you only have so much attention to pay it's just a disappointment how like the FTC like they just

don't but they're not more strict about that those things they just have a sort of tradition of being very lax yeah on that you'd like for them to crack down a little more but I don't know you get the impression the entire FTC is like two guys and they're just, one of them is always

out to lunch, the other one's like sitting with his feet up, like reading a magazine, like anything good on TV? I don't know. It's the Fred and Tim commission. It's like, I don't know, flip that thing to yellow or whatever you gotta do next, whatever. Yeah, it's

very much like the regulatory capture of the SEC and that kind of stuff where it's like, basically they work together. The lobbyists for big companies and the FTC work together, so they're not really going to be a big deal. And with the

grift, it does seem like there's two ways to win with that grift. Stay small enough and live a comfortable living, just grifting people, you'll get by. Then you've got to be the biggest company that you can and you'll grift forever, like Wells Fargo or whatever.

Your kids can grift. Yeah, exactly. But if you're in that middle ground, if you're in that whack-a-mole ground, they're going to get you. That's the shit that's going on there. Either you're too big to fail or you're in that whack-a-mole ground, they're going to get you. That's the shit that's going on there. Either you're too big to fail

or you're too small to see. Those are your two options. Those are your two ways to go. Yeah, for real, if you're big enough, you get appointed

Secretary of Education. And I suspect with Alex, the situation he's in is like he knew that like, he was talking very consistently about how bad the money was

in the last couple of months before this I think he's recognized like I gotta make a jump I gotta do something and he took that opportunity with the silver and also his food buckets another Jim Baker analog he has his my patriot supply stuff and

he's just been going crazy doing infomercials with them. I bet you I'll bet you that he is making fatty banks. Undoubtedly.

I'm not saying this is the worst thing to come out of the coronavirus but the fact that it's essentially saved InfoWars is a real problem.

It's a real bummer. I mean, I get the all that but man, fucking Alex is going to survive because of this? Remember like a couple months ago I mean, I get the, all that, but man, fucking Alex is going to survive because of this?

Remember, remember like a couple months ago where like, I don't see how he weasels his way out of this one. Yeah, exactly. Well, it turns out. And then he fucking Duke boys

his goddamn car over the fucking General Lee and now we're here. All it takes is a pandemic to restore it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, things got much worse for him.

He was going to have to switch that tank to a hybrid just to save on gas. I will die before I switch to a hybrid. I apologize to hybrid owners. Sorry. I own one. It's great. My hybrid is actually powered by Chobani yogurt.

Chobani. Gives you energy. Let's talk about Alex's DUI which just happened the other day it was it was a DWI

driving while intoxicated I think he came in under the legal limit yeah it said he had two tests one was a.076 I think

and one .078 yeah but he failed the sobriety test yeah he was wobbly a little bit but he was he was

he was intoxicated in some way. He had some booze in him. Yeah. Drank some sake. And yeah, that's what he blamed it on. He said he had a little bit of sake earlier and that's what caused it. But he's already trying to spin this

as the government coming at him, right? He's been vindicated. Yeah. No, he hasn't. Got me again. The government's coming after me hard. They. No, yeah. Got me again. The government's coming after me hard. They gave me a ticket. So on Monday night.

They gave him a ticket in colloidal silver. Here you go. They didn't disappear him to Gitmo. He got a ticket. Like what? He spent the night in jail. The whole night? Well, he got booked at like 1230

and then he got out at like 4 15 in the morning or something so it's not all night in jail but that's like a shift if you're part-time right that's like i think i think that's the maximum number of hours you can work on a worker's without having a lunch break yeah he um so he what uh what happened was really weird this is monday night into tuesday morning he gets arrested for this dwi and uh still does his show on tuesday baller he comes in he's like i haven't slept i had a very interesting experience last night and then he goes on to tell the story of what happened he insists that there's like, he met a couple of people who were also arrested who were like,

hey, I was just in the other room and everyone's saying that you didn't have any alcohol in your system. Like he had a mysterious anonymous jailhouse snitches telling him that he's being set up. It might as well have been like it turned into Elvis's jailhouse rock. We just danced all fucking night.

That's what we did. It was surreal. I met some other people who were arrested when I was in jail. That's pretty standard for jail. They handed me a guitar. I performed Folsom City Blues. He was the hero of that prison. He got his paperwork that said he was under.08.

I just want you to know I banged all the cheerleader guards while I was there. Pretty hot. They tried to turn me into Satanleader guards while I was there. Pretty hot. They tried to turn me into Satanist while I was in there. No deal. He really missed an opportunity to scream Attica. Really missed an opportunity. There was a chance there that he could have taken, but sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

I think the biggest issue surrounding it is probably, like, if you read the affidavit of his arrest, it all stemmed from a domestic dispute like there was a fight with him and his wife that ended up precipitating the event like his wife called the police that's why they showed up yeah and ended up pulling him over to begin with because they were looking for his car right because she said he'd been drinking probably and had left um so like i i don't know it's It's one of these situations where it's like,

I'm really interested because it affected his show. Like, he came in kind of fucked up from a night in prison on Tuesday and then tried to lie about what happened to him.

But it also weaves really into his personal life and it makes me a little bit uncomfortable. You know? It's hard. We try not to talk about people's personal lives, period.

Like, that's the goal. Yeah. We're talking about the grift the grift is where we focus okay and it's not it's not to say i don't want to you know talk about it at all or anything but like it introduces like this really this really difficult line that i don't really know how to walk interesting so you just feel like it's it's off limits like it's just it's just no it's not it's not off limits if it's a if it's affecting the? Like it's just gauche to go down that road? It's not off limits if it's affecting the show but it's just like it's just like talking about children or stuff like that.

Yeah, that's fair. I'm just curious. You know, it's that kind of thing. Or even if you most people don't want to be dicks. Like I just feel like I just don't want to be a dick to people who are struggling and Alex is fucking struggling

like his life is falling apart and it's hard not to feel a twinge of empathy for the people around him in particular yeah yeah exactly less him although like you know everybody deserves dignity in some

sense if they're ill or or something i don't want to maybe alex is right on that line but oh in terms of like what he's mentally ill well who knows that's the part that's really difficult when it gets into the personal life there's so much about him that's performance there's so much about him that's performance. There's so much about him that is like a complete bullshit. He's a liar by trade. And so when there's stuff that intersects with his personal life and affects other people who are not public figures, like his wife isn't a public figure. His children aren't public figures. Oh, yeah.

So it becomes. I mean, Rex fucked around on air with his dumb Gavin McGinnis. Gavin McGinnis. Yeah. It becomes very difficult for me to figure out where the line is of like what what what is the point of digging into uh some things I don't know sure sure yeah I mean we'll say this um especially there's another article that we want to talk to you about the one where uh one of the people who used to work for

him talked about what that was like they They were a convert and then they've, they've sort of shifted themselves away from it. One of the things that they mentioned in there is that he, he was drinking then too. Oh yeah. So it feels like, you know, that sort of like as a,

as a bridge to this story and that he was drinking quite a bit there driving while intoxicated while someone's in the car. Of course, you know, we don't have any proof except for this guy's word. But, but this is all, this is all like you were saying,

this does contribute to the grift because he's talking about constantly trying to mislead people. Well, was this, was it our first episode? The inauguration night? No. No, what was,

we did inauguration night though, right? I think we've covered it at some point. We talked about it a little bit. Yeah, early on. Not inauguration night, you mean election night. Election night, election night yeah he was drinking yeah that's like just popping champagne because trump won the election that's like one of the very first things we talk about is him being drunk on air and it is not changed since then so yeah we started the show at the beginning of 2017 and in march like he he was on a tear. He was drinking pretty regularly on air. Oh yeah.

And like to an extent of like incapacitated, like I don't know. It's hard to say like what's incapacitated drunk, but he was comically drunk. It was.078, I believe is what it was.

Yeah. Something like that. I'm trying to imagine him being so drunk, he's coherent. Like it goes all the way in the other direction. He's so drunk, he cries. He's coherent. This is not goes all the way in the other direction. He's so drunk

he cries. He's coherent. This is not a horseshoe situation where he gets back to singing. You're just like, why he's better off? Look at that.

Yeah. Six bottles of booze and he's just, he's a normal, cogent man. No, he was mostly just rambling about how

he's not racist because he likes tacos. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, for fuck's sake. Talks about God, the ways to learn,

all of these things. None of the ways to learn yeah all of these things uh none of the ways to learn are reading by the way in case you know no well that was that reading is hard to do that's dumb yeah so i mean like throughout the time that we've been doing the show and paying attention to him like it's been pretty clear that there's like a negative relationship with alcohol um that veers into his his perf like his professional life like i wouldn't know about him privately drinking unless it became a part of his show like. Like, I wouldn't know about him privately drinking unless it became a part of his show.

Like, it wouldn't, it doesn't, like, I wouldn't know about any of those things for this DUI to not surprise me at all if it weren't for the times that he's...

Well, and just recently, like, when we talk about the conference that he, those bullshit, when he went to CPAC to do a satellite event with 40-ish people.

And Nick Fuentes, the white supremacist. And he's absolutely shit-faced. He's supposed to headline speak at this event. And he opens it up, starts completely drunk, only gets more drunk. He doesn't start completely drunk. Not completely drunk. He's buzzed, maybe.

He's buzzed fine apologies for by in specific language uh and and then throughout the show he starts heckling all of these people who are talking as he's getting more and more progressively drunk to the point where he does not talk at the end he keeps like uh he can't do it he keeps coming up on he keeps coming up on stage and interrupting the speakers and And like General Flynn's son is there. I'm going to let you finish. I'm going to let you finish. Oh, no shit.

Close to. He comes up on stage. Except he won't let you finish. He tries to co-host with General Flynn's son and starts crying about how General Flynn was trying to get the military in charge of the government. He's basically talking about a military coup in America and crying about it. And how great it would be. And then it gets worse.

Yeah. And then it gets worse. And then it gets worse. And then the Alex Jones story. And then it gets worse. See, and that's where like, you guys are better people than me because I hear that and I'm like,

your personal life and your public life are one and the same when you make it that, like, you're, you know, like, right, right, right. You're probably right. And I get hammered and I have a domestic and then, like, I bring that event onto the show. Yeah. Like, the line is like, where's the line? I mean, the problem is, like, where we're at, or at least where I'm at right now is like nobody on this fucking planet hates

Alex Jones as much as me and Dan and I have been saying we have been saying for so long somebody needs to get this man help like we're the only people who have consistently been screaming at everybody else in his life you need

to help this man he's spiraling out of control and then this happens and it's likealing out of control. Is he like Kanye? And it's like, fuck off! In the sense that like... Kanye's made some good albums. That's, uh... I guess what I mean by that is like,

there's a sense around Kanye that I have that like, because he is this bigger than life figure and moneyed up the wazoo, like, he goes crazy and like,

people kind of, they don't help them they still latch on so many people are relying on that machine right that kanye machine if the goose needs to be drunk to lay golden eggs fucking yeah here yeah liquor up sauce it up yeah i suspect on a much smaller scale that could be similar because like there's a lot of people's livelihoods revolve around that guy if he gets well and starts

something like that how many like a hundred maybe that's not a small business holy shit yeah yeah he has quite a few like he had a lot of

board operators a lot of you should keep him entertained yeah of course also that figure is based on Alex's words

so it might be less it could be less. Yeah. It could be eight. I have a hundred people on my payroll. Both of them are, I mean, goddammit. I misspoke. You misspoke. And to be clear, like, when I say, like,

his personal life is off limits to me, that's not, like, absolute. And I don't think that, I don't want to give the message that people shouldn't pay attention to the fact that, like, there was a domestic dispute here. That got physical. Yeah. That was physical.

That's fucked up. That's super important. But we also don't know a lot of the actual details about that. Sure. And for the show that Jordan and I do, I find that it would be very, I would be, I would feel I was being irresponsible if I made too many assumptions. That's fair. But like on a personal level, I have a very different opinion.

Sure, sure. But I want to ask you guys- Which is fuck that guy. Yeah. I want to ask you guys about something you just said though, because you're talking about how you've always been thinking about this guy needs some help. And I've always sort of thought to myself,

you know, it's got to be a mixture of the two. He's clearly profiting off of this lifestyle and these lies that he's telling. And I also think there's got to be some grain of him believing this crazy shit and being a little crazy. When you read this story, the story that we're talking about, this is the I works for Alex Jones and I regretted it. This is from a New York Times opinion piece. And this was a guy who wrote this story. It was just basically his time with Alex Jones. He was a student who tried out to be a reporter on Infowars and they said,

no, but you can come be a video editor. And he was his video editor and video producer. Like what happens when you try out for SNL, you can be a writer if you don't do well. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But basically he was following Alex Jones around for a long time and he wrote this big long piece

about how it is mostly a grift. It's just a I mean it's just him lying. He's going out trying to get people to see him as the underdog. He's going out trying to get kicked out of the voting booth. He's going out trying to he's trying to do these things so he looks like he's

being oppressed. So he looks like he's being detained basically. Like most white male Republicans. Exactly. I agree. But when he does that, how hard is it to balance

what you guys said about him getting help and that idea of, I mean, where do you guys sit on that? I know we talked about this before, but I would like to revisit it because where do you guys

sit on that? Because it's got to be a balance of the two or how does this? But like all of that, all of the grifting and like those sorts of creating the optics, like you said,

getting kicked out of the photo booth, all that sort of stuff is stuff that is a byproduct of something that is unhealthy. I see what you mean. I can contain within my brain at the same time that he is willingly and consciously doing all of these incredibly fucked up things, lying about things that are very dangerous and he needs to stop doing those things. And that if you were engaged in some sort of a healthy process, let's say, whether it's therapy or, or something, it could help him not to do those things i see and i i'm not uh i'm not holding out much hope that that's going to be the case yeah right i

don't think that i don't think that would ever be because there's too many incentives for him not to act and behave in healthy ways he's created too many um negative uh reward systems in his life yeah the way that he can profit off of negative attention. The DUI is a perfect example of this. His audience isn't going to care. He's gotten on air and said that he

was the victim in all this. He wasn't actually even drunk. It was just the people jamming him up. And he gets tons of free press out of it. He was trending all over Twitter. Tens of thousands of tweets about him. Yeah. He got his name out in a way that he couldn't do organically himself.

He has that and so many other negative reward systems that like, I don't know, it's never going to happen. But for the sake of like the well-being of the people who are affected by his behaviors, like I still can't, I can't get away from the human aspect of it. Even if I fucking hate all of the things that he does.

Yeah. My argument is fairly simple. It's if you believe that shit, that's insane. And if you are acting like you believe that shit, that's still insane. Why are you doing that? Oh,

you're making money. You're killing people. You're an insane person that needs to be stopped. What are you talking that? Oh, you're making money? You're killing people. You're an insane person that needs to be stopped. What are you talking about? Why does it matter? No matter what he's doing, it's crazy. So, tell us about your show lately. Is there anything interesting in

Alex Jones' life that's come up that you guys have been covering? Is it just sort of his slow decline into despair that you've been? In the heart of darkness. It's been a lot of selling food buckets. Coronavirus. Have you tried one yet?

I have not. I wouldn't give him money. I don't see any reason. Yeah. I really don't. It's going to taste like a food bucket. You know what a food bucket tastes like. Yeah, there's a level where you're just like really don't. It's going to taste like a food bucket. Yeah. You know what a food bucket tastes like. Yeah, there's a level where you're just like,

I know what that's going to taste like. It's going to taste like somebody scraped paint. There's a window. No, it doesn't matter. You still know what a food bucket tastes like. You know what it tastes like. Imagine food. Put it in a bucket.

You know what we're on. Eat a food out of a bucket. Happy? No, didn't think so. Do you like food outside of buckets? It's like that, but not as good. He's been doing a lot of that. It's been disgraceful sales.

And then now this DUI has been like, you know, everyone's pretty excited about it. Getting a lot of tweets about it. Sure. The possibility of him getting fined over the silver sales is also very exciting. Yeah. But no, I mean, like it's all,

it's almost all been coronavirus stuff uh in various conspiracies it changing along the way and then there's a new thing that he's been getting into a lot lately which is like trying to outlaw the democratic party he's uh he's but his the democrats are fucking it all up on their own. Sure. The rising authoritarianism in his coverage has been, it's been a little bit more overt. Like the outlawing the Democratic Party stuff, the idea that like, okay, the Republican Party can just split into two

because you still got to have a two-party system. Like, all right. Yeah. I don't know what you're going to do with all the Democrats. We're going to have a two-party system. No, we're... Just pick your Republican. No, it'd be the Tea Party.

That's just the primary. It'd be the Tea Party. We're going full Nazi. That's what we're doing. Tea Party, Tea Bagger. I think those are your two that you got to go with. That's all you need.

Yeah. That's like saying like, oh yeah, North Korea has free and fair elections. It's like saying America has free and fair elections. Crazy. I got 102% of the votes, free and fair election.

Always win with 97% of the vote. That's the rule. Every dictator knows you win 97%. 3% have got to vote against you, man. That's just the rule. Then you get rid of them. The next year, you have another 3%. Line them up, shoot them with artillery cannon, you know?

Yep. That's how you call the week. So, gentlemen, if people were going to find your show, where would they look? Probably the best place, knowledgefight.com.

Knowledgefight.com. So your website, then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would argue for the internet. That would be a good place to find our show. No, iTunes, all podcast apps.

You can just look for Knowledge Fight. We're around. And also, Jordan, I'm sorry I didn't back you up on that joke earlier. Yeah, no, no, no. It's fine.

We'll deal with it in the car. All right. It's okay. I'm going to edit it out of the show. The hell you will! Let this moment stand! They're just driving home.

They just had awkward signs. So. What happened back there? You want to, you want to talk about this no it's not what's wrong nothing you embarrassed me

in front of another podcast guys we hope you have we hope to have you on again so you can embarrass yourselves again that would be amazing no seriously thank you guys so much for coming

you guys are a lot of fun of course thank you very much for having us and go check out Knowledge Fight and it's a great show and these guys are baller thanks for joining, thank you guys so much for coming. You guys are a lot of fun. Thank you very much for having us. Go check out Knowledge Fight. It's a great show, and these guys are baller. Thanks for joining us. Thank you. Hey, everybody.

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All right, so this week in Trump, Trump went on TV and announced a travel ban to prevent Europeans from coming here. I don't know. That makes a lot of sense. Trump struggles to explain why he disbanded his global health team. At one point, he calls CNN fake news because of it.

And also, the Republicans continue to deny coronavirus as a threat as public health officials warn of catastrophe. And today, we don't even have a story for it, a bill came to them from the House that would help economically people in this country from losing their jobs or at least be able to cover things while they had to stay off. And that was not even, I don't even know if it was brought up.

I think the Senate has said they're not going to consider it. They're not even going to consider it. Yeah, they did say they might welcome, they would look at it with some changes. But like our political system is so broken that even in the middle of a pandemic, a bill, and some of the things in the bill are things like seven days worth of sick time, right?

Your employer would have to guarantee you seven days worth of paid sick time and 14 days during like a public health emergency. So my company, I get six sick days. That's how many sick days I get. So it would extend one and I have no extra sick days. So the way it works for, and I'm lucky because I have a really good job and I work for a big company. So I get six sick days after which if I take any time off, that's on me. Unless I happen to have a disability insurance that kind of kicks in, which some people do have, I have.

So, but a lot of people don't even have that. They have no coverage. There's so many employers that can't afford to offer sick time. They just, they can't afford to do it. Small employers, that's a huge financial burden on like some mom and pop shop to pay somebody when they're not producing something. So a law like this backed

by some money for the government would ensure that people don't go to work sick because the result of this isn't that people take time off and don't get paid. That's bad. And some people will do that. But the real tragedy is that people can't afford to take that time off. They can't afford the luxury of doing what is socially right. So they're in a predicament where they're going to get sick and they're going to go to work

because they can't miss that paycheck. And that's most people. That's most of America can't miss a paycheck. And genuinely, a lot of those people work in places where you have to interact with them. These are not, you know, yeah, there's going to be a lot of factory workers and whatnot that have to do this,

but there's also going to be a whole bunch of people in the United States that serve you food, that move your cart around at the grocery store, that are putting the groceries away, that are, you know, these are people that are going to be sick. And there's a lot of other professions out there too. I'm not just picking out, I'm just saying a couple, right?

Just service industry. But there's going to be service industry people. The person who's going to drive you in your Uber. Yeah. They are going to be sick. And there's a lot of other professions out there too. I'm not just picking out, I'm just saying a couple, right? Just service industry. But there's going to be service industry people. The person who's going to drive you in your Uber. Yeah. They're going to be sick. There's a possibility they're going to be sick because they cannot miss, they can't do anything about it.

They can't miss. And there's no social safety net in this country. And I want to say too, you know, I want to talk about the graph. We talked about it a little bit on the live stream, but I want to say like, like, look, this is not the reason why people, I think a lot of people are freaking out and a lot

of people are thinking that what the quarantine is, is to save them from getting the virus. It is not to save you from getting the virus. People are going to get the virus. What they're trying to do is soften the blow to our hospital system in the United States. You cannot be at max capacity and trying to be take care of a bunch of people who get this all at the same time. So they're trying to draw out the number of people that get it over a longer period of time, rather than a short peak. That's all it is. So I don't want people to freak out and think, oh my God, you know, this, I, you know, if I get it, I'm going to say death sentence. It's not, it's not Ebola. It's not, you know, any of these other crazy things that we've seen in the past.

It's not a death sentence, but it can fuck you up. And that's why people are trying to make sure, the government's not, the government's not at all, but there's plenty of under systems, whether they're local government, state government, companies that are trying to do a lot of social distancing right now to try to soften the impact because they understand way better than the government that this could be really bad for a lot of people. I will say this, there are a lot of, and I can't believe I'm saying this,

I can't even believe these words are coming out of my personal mouth. There are a lot of corporate citizens that are doing the right thing right now. And I understand that that comes from an ultimately selfish place, right? Because a collapsing economy is bad for everybody. So it's like, yeah, we'll do our part to keep our employees healthy so that they can continue to be a part of this larger economy that feeds our machine, right?

So, but like, and it's wonderful to see all the corporate citizens acting in ways that are encouraging people to stay home that are giving people additional financial benefits and spending money on equipment to send people to work from home there's a lot of companies doing that and all of that is kind of amazing what is unsettling is that it is an uncoordinated effort it is a totally voluntary uncoordinated effort yep It is a totally voluntary, uncoordinated effort, which means that there will be places where it's done well

and there will be many places where it's done very poorly. That's exactly it. And there's also no backing, right? There's no backing from the government. There's no dollars behind it from the government. The government's not helping at all.

There's no social safety net to help make sure that this happens. The Republicans, they have been nothing but laughing about this. And I don't know, I'm sure people see this in their feed all the time. nothing but laughing about this and I don't know I'm sure people see this in their feed all the time

they're laughing about this they think oh it's the media hype it's media hype you know look I'll be the first to tell you turn off the television

you know the television is just going to tell you about this the whole time that's all it's going to talk about that's going to be the top story and it's going to be the top story if you're on a 24 hour news cycle it's going to be there all the time.

So I get it. I understand that aspect of it. But at a certain point, the media hype has a truth to it, right? So you can't just say, just because they're showing it all the time that it's not true. It is true.

And they are also showing it all the time. Yeah, right. Some things are true and a big deal. Yeah. Like those things are not mutually exclusive. We've become so jaded. Yeah. Like that, like those things are not mutually exclusive. We've become so jaded. Yeah. I think that like, there's a point at which the amount of attention paid to a story makes

us believe the story less, makes us more dubious. Sure. Of the import of the story. And it's like, well, you know, some things are actually kind of a big deal. Sure. And like one of the big deal parts of this story is the social and economic and psychological impact, not just the health impact. And like that's worth keeping an eye on. And it's interesting to watch and it's a weird place to be.

And the anxiety, to your point before, like the anxiety is real. And like manage that however you guys need to manage that. is real and like manage that however you guys need to manage that yeah like it's amazing though that the leaders of our country are saying it's not a real thing that they're poo-pooing if they're downplaying it that they're pretending yeah that's that i can put my head in the sand i can't fix anything yeah that's the thing that's the thing that's troubling is that you know we talked about it multiple times that trump is the worst person to have in this position. And we're going to talk right now about one of the things that he did the other night was he banned travel from Europe.

What the fuck? Which doesn't make any sense at all. And the reason why he did it, and he went out of his way to keep calling this like a foreign virus. Yeah. Viruses aren't foreign. I understand that it started, you know,

that we noticed where it started somewhere else. That's fine, but that doesn't mean that it's specifically a foreign virus. Like, he is trying to stir up xenophobia even in the face of a crisis.

Yeah. Viruses don't have a nationality. They're viruses. I didn't catch a Chinese cold. Yeah. Like, you can't catch the Chinese coronavirus. Like,

we all share the virus now, motherfucker. Yeah. Like, that's just the Chinese Corona. Like we're all share the virus now, motherfucker. Yeah. Like that's just how that works. Like we don't have like Chinese chicken pox. That's a stupid fucking thing to say. It is xenophobic. And it's like the worst things that we sort of have talked about before there was even a pandemic are literally happening in front of us where the fact of the pandemic will be politicized in order to close our borders, to incite anti-immigrant feelings, like all of those things that we talked like, God, I hope that doesn't happen. And you're like, well, that's happening exactly how we said it was going to happen. Yeah, that's how it's happening. And his, his, the way he, so, so many things in

this speech were terrifying. A lot of it is that a lot of these measures aren't effective. He's just an ineffective guy. And you know that he's kind of sitting in a room full of smart people. You hope he's sitting right. I don't know if he is. I hope he's sitting in a room full of smart people. And they're all saying, good boy. You're a good boy.

You're a good boy. And they're placating him because he's constantly probably coming up with ideas like this. Or he had a payroll tax cut. That was something that he floated. Payroll tax doesn't mean anything if you lose your job. Who gives a shit about payroll tax? Tell that to the gig economy people. Tell that to the people who can't go out.

There was people in our chat tonight that are saying, yeah, I work for the White Sox. Well, they just suspended their season. What am I going to do? Someone else said, you know, I run big events. I run giant events, you know, these big expos. And they're all closed now. So that person, payroll doesn't mean anything to that person.

There's no payroll to have. So the idea that you're going to say, what you're saying is, I only want to save people. I only want to help people. I only want to work with people that have an income. Anybody else that doesn't have an income, I don't care about you. Well, it's like one of the other suggestions that was floated by the administration was to kick tax filing day out. So instead of it being April 15th, it would be at some point later than that, which would keep all the people who file late and have to pay into the kitty, would keep them from having to

pay into the kitty until later. Sure. So, that money would keep churning. Except for that most people of lower to medium income don't have to pay into the kitty at April 15th. Don't have to pay any money. They get a refund back. Yeah.

So, it does them no good. So, it does regular, like the average Joe gets fucking nothing out of that. Well, yeah, they don't get anything out of it. They'll get their money. Right. Right. But it doesn't matter because they, they didn't get any bonuses. There's nothing, there's no bonus for me. If I, if I get 2000 or 3000 or $10,000 back from the government at the end of the year. And it's like, they're like, they're trying to trickle down. Yeah. This, you can't trickle this down. It's unbelievable. Yeah. The fucking level of just like how can we make this, how can we

give something to the wealthy even during this time? Yeah. How can we make sure that we don't take care of the regular guy? And one of the things that Trump was talking about was the stock market. He's trying to get people to stop selling. Yeah. And he was saying this is just a moment basically calm the fuck

down, everybody. He's concerned about the stock market. Why is that? Well, it's because he's heavily invested in the stock market. With the stock markets doing well, Trump's doing well. Yeah. Because that's where Trump's money is. Trump's money is either in places that are directly in the stock market or at least related in some way to the stock market. That's where rich people get richer. That's how it works. And so the very fact that he's worried about it shows you that he's only self-interested. He doesn't care about you. He doesn't care about your family. He doesn't care about your grandpa possibly getting this. He doesn't give a fuck. Yep. Well, because that's the only thing he's worried about. And like, to be, to be like, the crazy thing is that even though

this is clearly the thing that he is only worried about, his fucking plan, he announces he makes his announcement last night on TV, and the first thing that Dow does is it drops so far that they have to pull the fucking emergency switch. They have to say, oh, sorry, guys. You're not allowed to stock market anymore. Yeah, no, we got to, guys, look, you were jumping on the bed too much. You got to go into timeout for a few minutes. Like, what the, so we can't you were jumping on the bed too much. You got to go into timeout for a few minutes. Like what? So we can't even fix the one thing he cares about.

When you put the whole stock market on timeout, that's something else. You know what? If you can't play nice stock market, I'm not going to turn this thing around. I'm just telling you the NASDAQ is my favorite son. so uh trump uh also at one point during one of these meetings um during you why don't you read this tom this is a this is a reply now hold on a second i want to mention something else that happened so while he's sitting at the table with his arms crossed and his fucking cheeks all puffed out and he's being a douchebag uh acosta from cnn, asks him a question and it's a question about, you know, how he's basically didn't pay attention to this or something like that and before and whatever.

And he says, that's CNN, fake news, next question. And then they called the press to leave. I mean, he literally said that's fake news and it wasn't, it was a perfectly valid question that he should have answered and he didn't. Just a question. That's a scary place to be is where the president won't answer questions now and they start taking stuff off of government sites and he's saying things that aren't true. He's saying how many tests. He's like, oh, the tests are going beautifully. The tests are going and they're not testing

people. And, you know, we're in a position right now where disinformation is much more dangerous than it was. It's literally going to kill us. It's literally going to kill people. People are going to die because of this. Yeah, because of disinformation. Yeah.

You know, for a little while, there was something where it was, there was kind of this idea, and I didn't believe it, but I think there was an idea that was sort of like, there's no harm in all of this. Like, he's going to label everything as fake news, and he's going to, like, reinvent reality with new words, and he's going to label everything as fake news and he's going to like reinvent reality with new words. And he's going to, you know, reinvent,

you know what it means to be transparent and what it means to like break the freedom of the press. And like, there was this idea, but they were like kind of some of the arguments I think that people felt and talked about were like kind of esoteric. They were arguments about freedom of the press and like kind of big ideas, arguments.

Right. Right. But now we're in a place where it's like, this is what happens. Yep. Like what happens now is that in a moment of national crisis, we have somebody who isn't even transparent with the people about the fact that there is a crisis. It's Thursday. As early as Tuesday, he was denying whether that this was a big deal. Yeah. Tuesday. Yeah. Then on Wednesday, on the next day, he goes on TV and tries to reassure the nation with his fucking xenophobia,

let's not go to Europe or come back from Europe speech, which literally makes no sense because it's fucking already here. Yeah. So like... Hey, but you can go through the UK. Yeah, you can go through the UK. You can go to Asia.

Yeah. What the... But like beyond that, you could put a travel ban on You can go to Asia. Yeah. What the? But like, beyond that, like, you could put a travel ban on everything and it wouldn't matter because there's community cases here.

It's literally already here. Right. So there's nothing. You could close off all your borders just like pandemic game. Right. You could close off

all your borders. It's here already. Right. It doesn't matter. It's here already. Once you've infected Greenland, you're okay when they shut down

the shipping. It doesn't matter. You're fucked. You just had to get a few of them in there. You're fucked. It's like locking your door with the fucking rapist in your house. Yeah.

Like, well, I don't want another rapist to get in. I'm going to get double raped. Jesus. What do I got? Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein in here? What is happening? Not for another 23 years. But yeah, you're absolutely right.

Like there's a reason why, you know, you have to have, you have to have, there's a reason why right now Italy is doing the drastic measures it's doing. There's a reason why China went through drastic measures to do this because they took it seriously.

China went through, you went through an absolute disaster and came out the other side through draconian measures. I don't know if that's going to work here. I don't know if that's how that works. I don't know. Italy didn't pay attention and they're in a position now that's in a really rough spot. But South Korea is more like us and they're doing a lot of testing, doing a lot of home quarantine. They're trying to make sure that people who are sick are staying away

from other people and they're controlling it. Yeah. It's not a completely under control like it is in China, but in China, they're separating families.

Yeah. If your kid is sick and you're like, fucking that kid goes to quarantine. You ain't keeping the kid at home. Right.

You ain't taking care. No, that kid's in quarantine. And the same thing is with the parents, wives and husbands separated. They'll fucking separate the fuck kid at home. Right. You ain't taking care. No, that kid's in quarantine. And the same thing is with the parents, wives and husbands separated. They'll fucking separate the fuck out of you. Right. And you will take it and you will like it.

So don't get me wrong. I don't think that's going to happen. It's not going to happen. Nobody's going to want to do that here. Right. Over there, they're going to say, no, you know, we have more control. They have more control.

They just have more control. So, you know, and I'm not saying it's a good or a bad thing. You know, like that, You know, it's certainly better for the virus. I said that they were up to 2,000 extra cases a day during the peak of stuff

and then they started, now they're getting 22 extra cases a day which is crazy. It's a lot less. It's a lot less and they're looking to start letting people out now.

So their quarantine was relatively short in the long run and then the big scheme of things and so it could be that they have run past this portion, you know, and so there's some hope coming out of there.

There's also, I saw today that there's already a vaccine and testing and animal testing. So, you know, there's plenty of money that's going to testing to make sure that there's a vaccine for this. And so that's another bright spot that's happening. But again, these are all just nothing like that happening from our government.

Our government is not treating us like this. Our government is instead either pretending it's not happening, like Matt Gaetz sitting in the fucking room with the fucking stupid fucking mascot, and then there's people all over the place that are saying it's not a big deal. And you will see,

be careful social distance. That's going to be my comment, my comment to the audience, if you can social distance. But you watch and see what happens if we don't take drastic measures. You know, Italy did the same thing. People were out partying, hanging out until late, keeping the clubs open, keeping all these places open where people are gathering. And it was not a good place to be. It's not a good place to be right now. So I want to get back to this story.

We got off on a tangent with Trump here, but this is Trump struggles to explain why he disbanded his global health team. So Tom, why don't you read this? Unbelievable. He says, quote, I just think this is something, Peter, that you can never really think is going to happen.

You know who? I've heard all about this could be you know this could be a big deal from before it happened you know this something like this could happen oh my god shut the fuck up who would have thought like how long ago is it six seven eight weeks ago who would have thought we would even be having the subject oh my god

you never really know when something like this is going to strike and what it's going to be and like I know what he's saying and it's like yes that's what you articulated poorly is literally the reason to have a pandemic response team because you don't know when it, if you know ahead of time when it's going to happen, it won't happen. Yeah. It's the unknown.

It's like, it's, it's the fact that like, you know, it's like we have a fire department and they wake up and they look around and there's no fires most of the time yeah but we think that some point there's gonna be a fire yeah so we pay them to come to work even when there's no fires yeah yeah it's the same concept well this is we talked about this on the stream a little but this is a showy cut this is a cut that makes him look like he is cutting something that is a big thing and he's not cutting anything. But it's a way to demonstrate to everybody that he's trying to cut governmental costs. It's one of those, it's a sort of a ceremonial cut. And a lot of Republicans

come in and do this and they do this because they have this, they, they have this, um, it's a lie that's told about them. And the lie is, is that they're tough on spending. That's the lie. It's not true. No, they're not tough on spending. They're certainly not tough on collecting taxes from rich people. They're not tough on anything. They are instead just giving good shit and corporate welfare away. And they're giving away giving away, you know, tax cuts to people who don't need them. That's what they're doing, but they want to make it look like they're trying to cut stuff. So they always cut stuff that is really visible. This is one of those things you could say, well, we don't need this. What do we need this for? It's just like throwing out your

toolbox, right? You threw out your toolbox and now you're like, well, I got to change. I got to change my air filter. What am I going to do? I got to go buy new tools now. Yeah. Well, you're the asshole. Throw it away. It's that's a perfect fucking analogy because you're like, well, I don't need it today. Yeah, I don't need it. So that means nothing will ever break. Don't ever need it. And I think that because I'm an asshole. I'm an idiot. Right.

Yeah. You know, the other thing about like that spending thing is like they do that and like nobody's paycheck ever goes up. Nope. Like you cut all this fucking spending and I never get any money. Yeah, I don't see anything out of it.

Like what the fuck do I, like I don't care. It'd be like if Cecil cut his family budget and was like, Tom, I saved a bunch of money. Aren't you happy? I'd be like,

well, I guess I'm happy for you theoretically, but like. Save a bunch of money on car insurance. If my fucking wallet didn't grow, I'm not real fucking invested.

And the thing is, is that, is that we never see any of these fluctuations. We never see that. The people who see it are the people with lots of money because it's easy to see. Because if I get to save a hundred thousand dollars in taxes or a million dollars in taxes or two million dollars in taxes, I see that at the end of the year. If I, If I got six pennies because they cut all of NASA, then I didn't feel anything. Great, I got six cents out of it. Now I don't get a pretty picture

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The Chicago Handshake, Tom, we asked about it last week. The Chicago Handshake is one shot of Malort, one pint of Old Style. Now, I don't know. Is it like an Irish collar bomb where you drop it inside? Oh, you mix them? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, is it like a Boilermaker where it's just two very specific things?

It's like shitting in your own diarrhea. What the fuck? What? Oh, that is good stuff. We want to post an article. This was sent in to us by a medical professional. And it says,

it's a Vox article. It says, how cancel events and self-quarantine save lives in one chart. And it is the flattening of the curve chart that we talked about. This is how to not exceed healthcare system capacity. And so it helps to socially distance. And we're posted on this week's show. The fact is, is that Sandra sent this in to us, but I've seen a lot of this stuff all over the place. The virus, she says, the virus is itself, it's not that the virus is so incredibly deadly, it's that our vulnerable people need available hospital beds.

And that's the real thing. So I want to thank you, Sandra, for sending it in. And we will post that article on this week's show notes. Yeah, so just, you know, if you can be socially distanced, you should. And you listen to podcasts, so you're an introvert. You do that anyway. You're good at it.

Just look, this is, here's the thing. It's like- Now's your time. It's like when you've been practicing karate all your life and you see somebody grab a purse. It's like you look and you think, this is my moment. This is it.

So you people out there that have your Nintendo Switch all charged up It's like you look and you think, this is my moment. This is it. So you people out there that have your Nintendo Switch all charged up and your Netflix queue all built up for this, you're ready. You've been training for this for a long time. This is your snow day. This is it. This is it.

We got a message from Jack. And Jack, we talked last week about some of that I called it crowdfunded science but it's not it's crowdsourced science and it's it's really a great

interesting thing there's a thing that he talks about here called Foldit and that's where that's the thing that I was talking about that protein thing

I was talking about was called Foldit that's awesome and it's like a little game that they send out and I guess it's more and more common. It's getting more

and more common. They're calling it citizen science. That's really interesting. And it's becoming more and more common and I guess that they're incorporating

other people to try to help figure these things out and it's really, really fascinating and cool. Thanks, Jack, for sending in the message. Yeah, so last week,

I do want to make a correction. Last week, there was a tweet that talked about the $3,000 that the guy had to pay. I don't think that that's ever been sourced. Someone sent us a message that said that that might not have been sourced. It might have just been somebody just talking. I didn't see any stories based on it either, and I did a search

for it to try to find it. I couldn't find anything that said that. The thing is that they're not really testing anyway, so that's the other thing. But Bart sent us in a message and Bart let us know that the test itself is not expensive. So if people

are charging a lot of money for the test, it doesn't make any sense. He says the production cost is basically about a quarter or $1.25 if you're getting a bunch of people to run these all day. He said it's really not that expensive to run this test. So if people are upmarking it, then that's a, then they're profiting off this stuff. They're basically gouging. But, uh, but one of the things that, that we have a problem with in this country, we talked about a little bit last week, we don't have a national healthcare system. So

who's going to make money off this? You know what I mean? And, and if there's no profit motive for me and I'm a company, what the fuck do I want to do this for? I don't want to be the guy who makes the test and gets fucking gouged out of it. I don't want to lose money on this. It's all a private system. These tests are going to be marked up. Why would they make it? Why would a company produce it if not for a profit?

They're going to do that. How much of a profit? The government might set a limit to prevent gouging. The government might buy tax. Like they might step in. Yeah. But like, otherwise it's like, Oh, if we charge it, we can get away with it. Yeah. So I'm going to play a clip from mystery science theater right now. Mystery science theater. I've played this clip on the show before, but this one is from Danielle. And, uh, I love this, this, this, this mystery science theater is amazing. It's called

pod people. If you have an opportunity to watch it, it's amazing. But there's a creature in it called Trumpy. And so here's the clip. Trumpy, you can do stupid things. I love it so much. That is, I have that clip and I was playing it for Trump, but then Ian made that awesome intro

for This Week in Trump and said we just use that one. So good. Yeah. We got a message from Andy and Andy said that while we talked about the online version of that census, there's also a print version that I guess is going out. His father passed away. He's the executor of his father's estate and his father

was a lifelong Republican. So he's going through all the mail and at least six times in the last year, he's the executor of his father's estate and his father was a lifelong Republican. So he's going through all the mail and at least six times in the last year, he's gotten basically the exact same thing, which looks like a census, but it's this lie. I mean, so it's not even Facebook. Right.

I mean, is that mail fraud? If it just looks like something, I don't know. God, it's such an, so annoying. So we got a message from Joseph and Joseph said he was at Walmart and he found this chess set. And the chess set is the Democrats versus the Republicans. Okay, that's kind of baller.

And so on the Republican side, Trump is the king, Pence is the queen. Mother, they made me the queen, mother. So good, Pence is the queen. The two bishops I imagine would be Bush and Cheney. The rooks, I guess, would be Bush and Cheney. The rooks, I guess would be Roberts and Kavanaugh. And then the,

the horse or the night would be McConnell and McCarthy. That's so good. And then on the Democrat side, Obama's the king, Biden's the queen. Then your, your bishops are Pelosi and Schumer. Your rooks are Bader Ginsburg and Sotomayor.

And for the knights, you have presidential nominee and vice presidential nominee. I love it. But I don't know. I feel like you could have got somebody else other than Bush and Cheney down here. It feels like there's...

It's funny because there's, there's nobody else here. That's, that's like, that's like part of his, his cabinet. It's just Bush and Cheney. We've got to go back to Bush and Cheney. Also,

weren't they the second worst presidency in the United States? For sure. Yeah. You can tell which way this game leaves, right? So funny. Anyway, we'll post a picture on this week's show notes. Thanks, Joe,

for sending it in. This is very funny. Last week, this is a highlight that Jim found of Tom. Let's talk a little bit about the coronavirus. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. It's because of this clip, I had Ian order cough buttons

for us. So you're going to have to control your cough from now on by pressing the button. So you can mute your own mic from now on. Really? Yeah, we're ordering cough buttons. Oh, that's awesome. So you can, if you have to clear your throat or cough, you can just press the mute.

It'll still come through mine probably a little, but it won't be as loud. And if I'm talking, I don't have to leave it in. Oh, that's nice. But we're going to have cough buttons soon. I didn't know there was such a thing. Yeah, we're going to have, it basically cuts your mic. You just touch it and it cuts your mic.

Oh, so it just intercepts between the two. Yeah, between the two. Yeah, so it just deadens the signal. That's pretty great. We'll have cough buttons soon. So you guys, listen to Tom's cough now and enjoy it, okay? I only have a cough six months out of the year. Yeah, it's only six months.

The other six months is fine. So we want to thank Jordan and Dan from the Knowledge Fight podcast. We loved having them on. They were great in studio. Fun people to talk about, Alex Jones. We love having them on. Check out their show. Go to knowledgefight.com

and you can check out all their stuff. Really cool dudes. And they put out a kick-ass show. So give it a listen. That is going to wrap it up for this week. We'll be back next week. We hope that we will have a live stream next week. We will keep you informed via social media, though,

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