Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 517: WYOAIDS Assistance

Episode Date: March 30, 2020

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This is Cognitive Dissonance. Every episode we blast anyone who gets in our way. We bring critical thinking, skepticism, and irreverence to any topic that makes the news, makes it big, or makes us mad. It's skeptical. It's political. And there is no welcome mat. This is episode 517 or episode 2 AP after apocalypse. Post-pandemic.

Post-pandemic. PP. Yeah, because this is a bunch of fucking PP. That's why. Yeah, and you know, it's a show where people like to show their PPs. So it's good. This is how it works. PP is appropriate given that Adam and Eve is our sponsor.

Exactly. Exactly. Absolutely. Hey, if you're stuck indoors, let's not leave with an ad. And you will be. And you will be. Or you should be anyway. Yeah, you probably are. At this point so uh this week like last week and probably like the weeks in the foreseeable

future there's no other news but coronavirus news yeah that's because uh you're not allowed to have news anymore you're not like nothing no one's allowed to, we're not even allowed to have regular tragedies anymore. Like the tragedy. We can't even have little tragedies. We can't have any of it. It's just the one big one. All I'm saying is like, in the current four horsemen horse race,

Pestilence is in the lead. Oh man. Pestilence is going to win the Triple Crown. I feel like the pandemic is making us eat this tragedy and won't feed us another tragedy until we're done with this tragedy. We're going to have to sit at the table

and finish this tragedy until we're done. You have to finish it. You can't go to bed. You can't take your phone out. You better eat this tragedy you're just sitting there arms crossed petulantly like a president at a briefing just like a president exactly like a petulant shitty child president sitting in a room full

of scientists struggling desperately to understand the situation you know what you know what though i will get the other news out of the way. Bernie won Utah. That's the other news. That's it. Okay. And I don't think Tom even knew it when he got on the call with me today.

No. Seriously. There's still Utah? Like, we didn't cancel Utah just out of an abundance of caution. Don't you think that just at some point we should just be like, all right, look,

we have to just cut certain states out of the picture entirely maybe this is a chance for us to say okay because not all the states have enacted any like there are several states that have not enacted any significant changes to their daily lives absolutely there's some that have not done anything at all fucking louisiana was slow to act and now they're the second largest number of cases. And I read a thing today is because like,

they're just like, well, we thought Mardi Gras would still be a good idea. It's like Mardi Gras wasn't a good idea before the pandemic. Like Mardi Gras was a great way to get a disease

when the best disease you were getting out of it was the clap. You just added a new disease. Like you just add, all you did was add more disease. is not fucking zatarans it's not something you fucking throw in to add a little flavor what the fuck what are they doing down there maybe that's why they were like blase about it to just like uh have you seen bourbon street you think we're

gonna make this grosser is there're going to make this grosser? Is there a way to make something grosser than Bourbon Street? Look, you walk into Mardi Gras, you walk out with gangrene. What the fuck do you want? You know? Jesus.

Your best case scenario was that dry gangrene instead of a wet one. They both kill you, but one just doesn't smell so bad. You're just like, oh, all right. Yeah, but the wet one has more lubrication.

How long have you had these headaches? About five, 10 minutes. God help him. Rid this man of these headache demons, of these migraine demons. Heal this man. Amen. Amen.

Hallelujah. Oh, good God, it is Molly. How do you feel, son? My headache is gone, but... God bless him. Is there anything else I can do for you? No, no. Good God bless you.

Praise be. Ladies and gentlemen... So this story comes from CNN.com. Pastor again defies state order not to hold large gatherings. He says a thousand people came to his church on Sunday. Huh. A thousand people. The order from the Louisiana governor is 50.

50 is still five times more than the president, who can't even spell 50 has said, right? Like the president's like 10. Regular people are like, how about zero? And I'll shoot the UPS guy on sight, right? Like that's like where we're at now. And Louisiana is still like, whatever, crawdads, 50. Like, I don't know how they do that shit.

They're not, you're not sure whether they're, they're counting gators or not. You're like, are they counting gators? It's like, it's like the, the governor is that guy that used to be on PBS teaching you to cook, you know, be like, a little bit of wine for you. Or a little bit of wine for me.

I guarantee, I guarantee you're going to get the coronavirus. Well, you are. If a thousand of you motherfuckers show up to church and like fucking swap cum or whatever the fuck you people are doing

at fellowship, short of a giant Creole gangbang. I can't even imagine something less fucking hygienic than doing this right now. That's got to be terrible because it tastes like gumbo filet. It's just disgusting.

Disgusting. I wonder like if this, if when this is all said and done and like the nine of us survive this thing, like, and we, we the nine of us survived this thing. And we we crawl

out of the pits that we dig ourselves in like hermit crabs or however we with our giant one claw that's a fiddler but still

when we come out of this thing I wonder if we're gonna like always look askance at certain things like if we're gonna be like Chuck E. Cheese you know, the things that we've always been

a little skeeved out by, but still like accepted into our lives is just like. Everyone drinking it from the same cup at mass. I wonder what's going to happen with that in the future.

Right. So I belong to an SCA group. Right. So the medieval guys, they do this thing where there's a group of us sitting around a fire. There'll be a song that they sing and they pass a cup, right?

So they'll pass the cup. And maybe the first couple of times I did it and every single time I got sick, every time, because it's 20 people all passing like this whiskey around and you're going to get sick. You're just going to get sick. So now I just take the whiskey and hand it to the next guy. I'm just like, fuck you. I ain't drinking that.

Like, are you kidding me? But that happens at church, Tom. Every single week people walk up and then they do the fucking, the bullshit, I'll wipe the front of the cup with a little cloth. Oh yeah, wiping stuff down.

Yeah. Right. Somehow that's going to do something, right? Yeah, it's a dry cloth dip shit. It's not going to do something, right? Yeah, it's a dry cloth dipshit. It's not going to do anything. You didn't get the germs off of there. Let me push the viruses off of this thing, right? These are like a handful of like microns in size.

Let me push them here. I just, I pushed them off. They're just, I pushed them right off the edge. They can barely hang on. You're just taking the germs that were on that cloth and adding them to the cup, right? That's all you're like. You don't have like some hygienic cloth.

Oh, hang on. This is in my pocket all day. It's fine. But this, but you're right. I think there's going to be some things that we look at. I really hope that this is the one thing that people that are hyper religious look at and they say, fuck, we went to that fucking big hullabaloo down there where everybody's throwing

their hands in the air and crying on each other and being saved. And 60% of us walked away being sick. Maybe we don't do that anymore. Maybe we, maybe this is the moment because nobody's looking to fucking religion right now to be like, well, what are they going to do? Are they going to fix it? Nobody's saying that. Everybody else in the world is looking at religion and saying,

no, it's cool. You do your thing. We're going to trust the scientists right now. Yeah, it is a turning point where like, right now, the snake handler guys

seem more sane than the megachurch pastors. Right? Because the snake handler guys are like, all right, there's 12 of us tops, first of all. And the snake you can see, it's right over there. The megachurch is like, let's put a thousand people. And it's also the case that like the people who go to church

are by and large older people. That's just true. Like young people are not that interested in church. I was thinking about this. You know, the coronavirus stands to significantly, if there's a big death toll from this thing, and you know, there's some numbers that are really pretty sobering that, you know, very well might be. This coronavirus disproportionately affects the right wing. It 100% does.

In a huge way. When you look at the numbers, like the people who believe that this is a problem versus the people who don't believe this is a problem break on party lines. So the people that don't believe this is a problem are not changing their behavior, right? They don't believe this is a problem.

So their behavior has not changed. They live typically in states that, if they acted at all, acted after states that were more swift. It disproportionately affects older people. Older people tend to be further leaning to the right than younger people. This is like a right-wing virus in some ways. If it has any kind of a significant death toll impact, it will be disproportionately skewed to move the right off the planet a little bit. Like it just does. It could be called the Fox News virus. Right. Yeah. It's sort of set perfectly in that demographic. And it's crazy too, because they were the ones

who for the longest time were telling people, you don't have to worry about it. And it's crazy too, because they were the ones who for the longest time were telling people, you don't have to worry about it. And they're trying to cover that shit up now to make it look like they've always been, oh, we've always thought this was a threat. We've always thought this was a big deal. But they were calling it a hoax from the beginning. They were all calling it a hoax from the beginning. And I'll be perfectly frank. I didn't give this virus even, you know, when we first started talking about it, I was like, yeah, okay, whatever. Because I've lived through a lot of these other ones and they hadn't gone anywhere. And so when the first initial numbers

were coming out of China, I was like, oh, well, it's not a big deal. It didn't feel like it was that big a deal. But the moment you start seeing how easily it's transmitted, that's when it starts becoming sobering. That's when you start looking at it and thinking, oh, that's fucked up. One of the major things that's happening is people are losing their job and losing their health insurance. So now we have a virus that's attacking people

that people are getting sick from. And then we take away the only opportunity people have to pay for it in this country through their work. And then we say, well, yeah, well, guess what? There's now 3 million people unemployed in the last week. Sorry. Whoops. 3 million people. Sorry about that, buds. Yeah.

Oh, well, I'm sure you'll be fine. You'll be fine. You can make it on your own. Don't worry. Hey, guys, if you get sick, stay home for more. Oh. You know what? If you're sick, you just don't pay for it somehow.

Although the stimulus package is supposed to address some of that, right? It's supposed to take care of. And that just got passed like yesterday. Yesterday night. It was, I woke up to it this morning. We're recording on Thursday. I woke up to it this morning. It's so funny because even before when Trump was in office and before any of this stuff was happening,

we would talk about shit on Thursday and it would be so, uh, by Monday. Now, can you, by tomorrow morning, this podcast won't be relevant. You know, it's, it is, you're not even remotely wrong. Like we record and it's just like, by the time we hang up the phone, the world is different. Like we're going to hang up the phone and be like, all right, cool. And then the numbers will all be different and all of the activity will be entirely different. The bottom line, brothers and sisters, what I'm trying to tell you tonight is that evil, evil is necessary. Evil is necessary. Thereby, if necessary, evil must be good. Eva must be good. Eva is good. Take Brother Brown, for instance.

One of our strongest deacons. Brother Brown was down on Bushwick Avenue last night with a $2.00 hole. Oh, P.J., I didn't know she was no father. You lying, sleeping dog. You told me you was at your mama's house. Now, that's evil. When you tell your wife, I'm going to go see mama,

then you go down on Bushwick Avenue and get you a $2 hold. That's evil. But Brother Brown had a good time with that $2 hold. You can push a $2 hold to the line. She don't have no limits. Evil and good.

They walk hand in hand. Sister, it comes from Yahoo News. Kentucky Church held service against Governor's warning. Visitor now has coronavirus. So, no shit has coronavirus. So, no shit, Sherlock. And fucking of course this happened.

And actually, the reason I wanted to grab this story is because to their credit, the pastor of the church, the senior minister of the church, basically came out and said afterwards, like, you know, I was kind of wrong about that.

Oops. And, you know, it's fucking too little too late, right? Because that's how viruses and diseases work. And if you make the wrong fucking decision against the advice of health professionals who are all unified and saying the same fucking things, right? And the things that they're saying are not complicated. They're the same things that have been said. And these guys that are just like, ah, you know, won't hit us here at church because we're protected by a magical fortress

of anti-viral Jesus hair or whatever fucking nonsense they think in Kentucky. One of the things that's happening is we're seeing many, many churches do this over and over and over again. You know, Rodney Howard Brown last week was talking about it. This church in Louisiana, this church here.

Let's get a bunch of people together. I think they need to change the name of the coronavirus to the good news. So they can spread the good news to all the people there. And just, you know, here you go. Here's the good news. Well, you the good news to all the people there and just, you know, here you go. Here's the good news. Well, you got it. Best of luck. Have you read some of the accounts of some of these people who have had it? Oh, some of them are absolutely terrifying. Yeah. You're not reading, you're not reading any of the accounts of people who had mild cases,

right? Cause those people aren't writing anything. Those people aren't saying, oh, it was no big deal. Because there are a lot of people who they were doing some tests. I think I saw in Iceland this week. And it was the tests that they were pulling out where they tested a ton of people and they found just an absolute immense amount

that were carriers, but asymptomatic. And so we don't know because there's not been a place where they've done really good testing to know how many of what. We just don't know because there's not been a place where they've done really good testing to know how many of what. We just don't know. But so you're never going to hear about the asymptomatic people

because those people probably wouldn't know or they do. And then they don't really talk about it. Same thing with the mild cases. You're not going to read somebody on Twitter and be like, yeah, it wasn't so bad. But you will read about the other ones. So I can't presume that every single case is this bad, but some of these cases are like, they get really bad, really fast.

And in a way that is scary. Yeah. Yeah. And like the idea that these, these ministers are playing fast and loose with their flock, with their congregation, with the people that like, I'm joking about Kentucky, but like, I not. These are people who seek out these ministers and what have you as guides for how to live their life, not just spiritually, but on a day-to-day basis. And so when these people say it's okay, it's safe to come to church, we're still having church, we're not moving to an electronic Zoom meeting for church, which would be entirely plausible. like an electronic Zoom meeting for church, which would be entirely plausible, right? They could put together a web service that they deliver on, you know, where the whole sermon and all that shenanigans is done.

You could virtually shake hugs or shake hands or whatever. Like they could do all that, but they're not. They're not doing that. And like, we look at like states that have more sophisticated healthcare systems and how they're beginning to become overwhelmed. You know, the Southeastern United States has not been by and large, there's some hotspots that are good, has not been terribly prosperous for much of its history. So like,

how badly are they going to be overcome? Sure. You know, like, like nobody goes to Kentucky for that awesome medical care, but you do go to like New York, right? New York is New York, New Jersey, that like that whole area is known. Like the new England area is known for its extremely high quality healthcare system and for the abundance of healthcare, for the abundance of hospitals. Like that's not true in Kentucky. of healthcare, for the abundance of hospitals. That's not true in Kentucky. So these rural communities that are less educated and who are relying on pastors to tell them how to live their life and how to behave, when those guys give them objectively bad advice, it's going to have a disproportionate impact on that population. It know, it's interesting. You had mentioned that, you know, they could probably do some pretty good digital, pretty easy digital stuff. You know, in the last 10 years, we've come a long way with how easy it is to get a hold of equipment to do

this sort of thing and how easy, you know, the infrastructure we have to create something like that is already there for a lot of people. People have Wi-Fi. They could sit and just watch it on their phone. No problem. I mean, if you have unlimited data, you just sit on your couch and you could watch it on your iPad or you could watch it on your phone. You could Chromecast it to your TV from YouTube if it's a YouTube. There's so many ways to interact with this media, but what they don't want is they don't want you to stay home. Because the moment you start staying home is the moment you start looking around and saying, yeah, I could watch The Pastor this morning, but instead I want to do something else. I want to go, I want to watch something else. I want to watch something uplifting. I want to watch,

you know, I want to watch The Good Place on Netflix or whatever. And so they're going to, they're going to do, they're going to do whatever they can to keep you there and stay in front of you because really genuinely, the way to get you to stop going to church is all you have to do is stop going a couple weeks and you'll see people will immediately stop the habit. They'll think, well, gosh, I've been doing that my whole life.

I have to waste my whole morning on Sundays. I don't have to do that anymore and suddenly that changes everything and they need you there to donate. There's a lot more pressure in person when you're sitting there and they pass that plate to you versus when you're at home and they say, gosh, we really would like it if you guys would donate, hit that PayPal button. Everybody at home is thinking, well, the other guy's going to do that. I'm not going to do that. What the hell? I'm not going to do that. Yeah. I was thinking the same thing. The tithing numbers go from probably nearly 100% of people to a fraction, a tiny fraction, which is why the televangelists rely on massive audience numbers

because they need a massive audience in order for a small fraction to donate. And that's the only way it aggregates into big dollars. These churches are going to go out of, they're going to have fucking rummage sales at the church. You're going to be able to get like dollar store pews and like crucifixes, like they're just going to be at the fucking Goodwill. These churches are going to go out of business, brother.

I'm just holding out, see if I can get Creflo dollars jet for a couple hundred grand. That's what I'm hoping. Oh, discount jets. Discount evangelical jets. Could you imagine having a Glory Hole Studios jet? Oh my God.

That would be amazing. I would crash it immediately, but I would love it. Well, ma'am, the lab results came back and this is hard to say, but your son tested highly on our sim scale. Oh, goodness gracious. But doctor, what does it even mean to be a sim? Well, son, allow me to explain.

So the story comes from Right Wing Watch. Ben Shapiro insists it's not racist to call coronavirus the Chinese virus. Um. Yeah, I mean, it is, though. It just. Okay. Counterpoint. Counter though. It just, okay. Counterpoint. Counterpoint.

It is. Okay. Yeah. Hear us out on this. Yeah. You're wrong. It totally is. The virus does not have a national identity.

The virus is not Chinese in the same way that a person, the virus did not like get, you know, enculturated into Chinese. It's just where it started. Viruses can start fucking anywhere and then they replicate and then they're all our problem. Like calling it a Chinese virus is just a way to point a pointless finger, right? It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't change our course of action. It doesn't accomplish anything except for to vilify a group of people, specifically a group of people who had nothing to fucking do

with whether or not this virus existed. And I know people will say like, well, there are certain cultural practices, including like the destruction of wild lands and like the invasion of like people into animal and like natural territories and what have you. But like, we're all doing that. And live markets, the live market thing that might be, you know, because they're saying that it might be coming from a sort of place where they maybe had animals in close contact with humans, which could be one of those markets where they sell live animals, but that's the best that they can do. Yeah. And let's be super clear. If we're going to vilify that, we have to vilify

every place that keeps live animals because that shit is a breeding ground for sure. That shit is a breeding ground for problematic disease. But like, it's also how we feed ourselves. Like, that's why, you know, that's why diseases pop up in giant piggeries and in poultry farms. And, you know, it's not just the sort of non-domestic animals out there that can potentially create, harbor, and move disease forward into the human realm. Like, that's not how that works. In fact, a lot of diseases have been spread specifically from animals that have been kept domestically

in order to feed people. Like, that's just a pretty normal way for diseases to spread out of other animals from one species to another. It's just that close contact. So unless we all fucking go vegan, none of us have any fucking say in this. You know what I mean? Like none of us have any like moral fucking high ground because somebody ate an animal that's different than the animal that we also raise in mad numbers. Yeah. We can't, and you can't even say it came from eating.

You can't say that that's where it came from because they don't know. Right. They don't know where it came from. They can't say that. So again, that's a xenophobic thing too when they say, oh, it came from bat soup. That's xenophobic, right?

So that's shitty. And then also just saying that it's a Chinese virus. We don't say that about stuff anymore. They're calling, a bunch of these people are saying, oh yeah, well, it's a Chinese virus. We don't say that about stuff anymore. They're calling that, a bunch of these people are saying, oh yeah, well, it's about, they named the German measles.

It's called the German measles. Like, yeah, we didn't do that last year. That wasn't named last year. We've moved past that. We have progressed past that point where we think that that's appropriate. Yeah, do we name it after certain areas? Sure. Zika, I hear is named after a river

or something like that, but it's not called the Brazilian shrinking head disease. We didn't do that. I wish it was. I'm sorry. We didn't though. They should call it like Beetlejuice epilogue, you know, like we didn't buy, we didn't do that. You know? And the other thing too is just like you said, it's pointless. I do that. You know, and the other thing too is, it's just like you said, it's pointless. I know that Trump is defending it and everybody who loves Trump is defending it

and they keep saying, and one of the things he keeps saying is, it's just, I just want to get the information out to the people and I'm thinking, with that information,

what do you do with it? What do I do with that information? How do I benefit from the fact that it's, that you're saying it's a Chinese virus? How do I benefit from that? What's the, what's the benefit of me knowing where it came from? How can I protect myself differently knowing it's a Chinese virus versus knowing it's a, it's a Japanese virus

versus knowing it's a, it's a Middle Eastern virus. What do I do differently in my life? The only thing you're telling me to do is to be racist against Chinese people and against people of Asian descent. It's, it's all it's doing is giving you a way to scapegoat someone else for your own inability to handle this situation. That's all you're doing. When you call it a Chinese virus, you're basically saying, well, it's not my fault. I didn't do it. It's not my fault. No shit. It's nobody's fucking fault, but it's, it's your fault that you're not ready for it. That's the problem. But he your fault that you're not ready for it that's the problem but he wants to pass the buck

like he does every single time and every single one of these pundits is ready to grab his balls and carry him to the finish line for him I can't even believe it I get

like there are more cases of COVID-19 right now in the US we surpassed the total number of it's ours like at what point

are we just like we're number one right we're number one. Right. We're number one. We're number one. USA. Can we just have a quick aside? Is there a chant in the world

that makes you hang your head in shame more than the USA chant? No. When they chant that shit in Congress, I'm just like, oh my fucking God. The thing I'm banking on is that as we get more

and more COVID, we can't breathe in to say the USA as loudly and as forcefully as we were before. So that's what I'm banking on. We'll just all try to do the wave again and just tip over. Just like dominoes just. Yeah.

Seriously though, this is just him trying to cover up his incompetence. That's all it is. It's him trying to pass the blame onto somebody else. It's someone else's problem. I'm just cleaning up bullshit. You know, you fired all the people

that could have stopped this from moving as fast as it did. You fired all the people this last week. He said some shit like, oh, I didn't know it was coming from over there. And a bunch of people posted, yeah, yeah, it's because you fired the people who would have known that it was coming from over there. And a bunch of people posted, yeah, that's because you fired the people who would have known

that it was coming from over there. And like, you went through all that trouble. It's your job to know. Like when he got pushed on that question, he's like, did that happen? I don't know. Did that happen? A lot of things happen around here.

It's a big administration. A lot of things going on. Not sure. I didn't do it personally. Things sometimes are done. And you're like, that's unacceptable. You're driving, motherfucker. You asked to drive this car. You are not the fucking victim of where the car goes.

You begged, borrowed, pled, and stole in order to get this fucking job. Nobody made you take it. It's not like you were like pushed reluctantly to the front of the line. Like you didn't like get your fucking number to get called out of a fucking hunger games lottery. And that's how you became president. Like that's not how that works. At this point, at this point I would take the hundred hunger games lottery.

Oh my God. Would I take the hunger games lottery? Well, we call that the democratic primary actually. That was the, at this point, at this point I would literally i would i would shoot an arrow into the sky and who it landed nearest i would take and even if it hit them even if it

hit them and hurt them severely i would say no you're in charge now i don't care if you have an arrow stuck in your skullet get in there it's It's you now. You're literally a broom with a hat on. Yeah. I would take a broom with a hat. Yeah. I don't know what I take the broom without the hat though. I would take a fucking Teddy Ruxpin over this guy. A Teddy Ruxpin with a Metallica tape in it.

That doesn't matter. Whatever it is. China has total respect for Donald Trump trump's very very large a brain they call her pocahontas i am the chosen one you are fake news okay i am the least racist person oh look at my african-american over here look at him it's a camera grab him by the pussy stop it so tom this week in trump just a ton of stuff we got to talk about because the thing is that Trump is so inextricably linked to coronavirus.

There's no way to pull him out and to just talk about some of these other things. No matter what we do, we have to talk about him. 60% of Americans approve of Trump's coronavirus response. That was a poll. Trump suggests we need to bribe him with praise to get federal assistance for COVID-19. We're going to talk a little bit about Dr. Fauci.

Is that how you say his name? Fauci, Tom? Okay, so we're going to talk a little bit about Dr. Fauci. A couple of things about Dr. Fauci. We're going to specifically talk about Trump's goal for getting people out on Easter, which is the 12th of April, by the way, which is, according to my records, two centuries from now. I know, right?

I can't even believe we're still going to have April. Yeah. Yeah. There's an amazing article that is in The Atlantic called All of Trump's Lies About the Coronavirus, which is absolutely stunning and amazing. And then we're going to talk a little bit about the Arizona man who died after taking Trump's coronavirus, quote, cure, which is the lupus medication that they're saying that Trump has been touting. And then if we get to it, we're going to talk a little bit about Trump's dangerously confused town hall that he had on Fox. So let's start with the 60% of Americans, Tom, 60% of Americans approve of Trump's coronavirus response. Now this was taken,

and it does say at the bottom, worth noting, this poll was conducted March 13th through the 22nd, And worth noting, this poll was conducted March 13th through the 22nd, and opinions changed significantly, could change significantly given how quickly the COVID-19 crisis is developing. And I said the time before we recorded, I said, yeah, it feels like March 13th was 1991. That's how, I mean, genuinely, time has turned into this weird, it's not only, it feels like it's going fast and slow at the same time because I'm not leaving my location. I'm stuck in one location. So I'm working, recording, living all from my living room. And I just, it's just, I mean, I'm going kind of nuts,

but at the same time, everything is going so quickly, yet so slowly. It's just so, it's such a weird time. But anyway, these 60, we're talking about 60% of Americans, mostly Republicans, let's be honest, and more, certainly more independents than Democrats think that Trump's doing a good job. And I think that that's not going to change because I think there's a call to Trump out there and they just lap up whatever he dribbles into their mouth. And I think too, there's a fear that I have that America doesn't change its leadership during a time of war. We just don't do it. And he's painting himself as

a wartime president. And this is in many respects, the closest that a war or a war-like event has hit American soil in generations, in many generations. And so there's a sense that I have that people look to leaders during times of crisis and even bad leaders get the benefit of the doubt when everything goes tits up. I'm just amazed that 60%, that number astonishes me. I saw another poll today that said, you know, Trump's overall approval ratings are as high as they have ever been, which granted is not very high.

It is not very high. But like, when I think of like, they're approving of what he's done, I'm just like, literally name one of the things that he's done. Like what has he done? That's the fucking problem. The inaction, the lies, like the misinformation, the like denial that this thing was happening until the fucking not even penultimate until the ultimate moment until it was literally impossible to continue to deny any longer. And I'm trying to think like, how has he handled it on a federal level

from the executive branch? I'm trying to think of anything at all that my life has changed significantly since the start of this, but not because of a single federal piece of legislation, not from a single federal piece of legislation, not from a single federal executive branch order. The states have done everything. Yeah, well, the thing that's going to happen

is now that the stimulus came in, people will be looking. I don't know how you're going to look to him, though, and say he did any of this because it was all wrangling between the House and the Senate to try to get this thing passed.

And then the only thing he's doing is signing because Mitch McConnell told him to. That's all he's doing. All he's doing is not vetoing it. Yeah, that's all he's doing. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's taking credit because you didn't stop it.

Yeah, yeah. You know, and I want to circle back to one of the things you said, wartime president. It's true. You're right. There is that sense that, you know, if there's a wartime president, maybe people don't change, but I will point if there's a depression president, we have, uh, some evidence that that does change. Uh, I looked at George W.

Bush and I looked to, you know, Herbert Hoover. And so, you know, we changed, we changed midstream on two Republicans who fucked everything up. And so if we look at this and we say, oh, you know what? He fucked everything up too. There's a possibility we change midstream too on him. If it's more economic crisis than it is anything else. Right. Yeah.

The economic crisis might be the thing that changes this administration. This is a Rolling Stone article. Trump suggests that states need to bribe him with praise to get federal assistance from COVID. And he says, basically he says it's a two way street. They have to treat us well too. And that's essentially what he says out loud to someone when he's being interviewed. They have to treat us well in order to get stuff from us, which he's not providing anyways. It doesn't matter. Yeah. Like what the fuck are you even talking like to treat us?

Well, what do you have to buy me dinner before I'll fuck you? Are you serious? Like, this is not like what is happening right now? These are States full of people that you are elected to serve. They can treat you like shit. It doesn't matter. They could hate you. They could not have your rallies in their state. You are still, they are still your constituents. You are

still beholden to them. You are still responsible for the safety and well-being of everybody. You're the fucking leader. That's what leadership is. Leadership isn't like, I'll do nice things for me if you do nice things for you. That's the mob. That's not leadership. That's fucking nuts. The states and the president don't have to both swipe right on each other before they decide whether or not they're going to actually have some sort of go-between. The states need help. The federal government is here to help them. That's why we have a federal government. That's why we pay an immense amount of money in taxes. That's why all this stuff, that's why this whole structure even exists.

And if you can't hold up your end of the bargain, guess what? It's going to be the 50 states of America. It isn't going to be the United States of America. This is crisis management. This is not like a negotiation to buy a new car. Yeah. Right?

Fucking insane. Like, that's just, it's just crazy. He's talking up the trade in right now. Right. Oh, you know, I'm going to squeeze them a little bit on the financing and get them on. What are you kidding me? Did you, did you see the thing where Pence was being interviewed about the ventilator stockpile and like the Cuomo was pushing and he was like, we really need those ventilators. We know you have them send us the ventilators. And Pence was like, we really need those ventilators. We know you have them. Send us the ventilators. And Pence was like, well, you know, we're working real hard.

And he just kind of gave like some bullshit, like soft shoe nonsense answer. And he was like, sure, we need the ventilators or you're sacrificing people's lives. You got to get us those goddamn ventilators. There's 20,000 confirmed cases in New York right now. And it was just like, yeah, we're going to do everything. We've already sent you the ventilators. We's 20,000 confirmed cases in New York right now. And it was just like, nah, we're going to do everything. We've already sent you the ventilators. We already sent them. They're on their way. And it's like, there's no ventilators here. What are you talking about? Yep. Yep. Like we're just like, we're reinventing truths. And at some point,

like it's going to catch up because like you can't obfuscate that shit forever. When the truth starts coughing. You know what I mean? Right. At some point, the truth is your grandma that died. At some point, the truth is the principal of your elementary school that's not coming back because they're dead. Yeah.

The reality of this will be impossible to spin anymore. of this will be impossible to spin anymore. Many of the right-wing people have also started talking about how we need to get people back out to work. They've been talking about, let's get back to work, let's get back to work. People, and there's a story about,

I don't know if we're going to get to it, but there's a story about the Lieutenant Governor in Texas saying, yeah, I'm older and I don't mind. I'll go out and do it. I'll sacrifice. If I have to sacrifice, I'll sacrifice. And they're suggesting that we need to get the economy moving because if we don't, they're saying there's going to be dire consequences. And I think Pritzker has

it absolutely right. Pritzker's our governor here in Illinois. And he said, you cannot have a livelihood without life. He's got to save people's lives. You can't have livelihood without that. And he's taken very drastic measures. They just closed all the parks here in Chicago. Today, I got an alert that said all the parks are closed. I went out for a walk yesterday. They said you could go for a walk.

They said you could get out of your house and go for a walk. And so for the first time in four days, I went out for a walk yesterday. Well, I went out for a walk and there's people playing basketball. There's people playing tennis. There's people playing games, playing Frisbee outside. The whole area where I live down in the South Loop of Chicago and there's a skate park and that skate park was full of kids all skating. they were outside and they just figure, oh, well, I'm not at work and I am kind of far away from people and so therefore it's okay. And today they just said, no, sorry, we're closing all the fucking parks. You can't be trusted and we're just going to have to do it for you. We're going to have to make it so you guys don't do this anymore. So they closed all the 606, which is an elevated

running trail that runs from Ashland up north. That's all closed off. They closed it off today. They said, no, we're done with that. You can't go up there anymore. You just, you can't be trusted. You can't be tried. And now we went for a walk and we were down by Grant Park,

but we were trying to stay away from everybody. We were just trying to, you know, we're just trying to get a little tiny bit of exercise, just walk, because we don't have an outside. Like I don't have a backyard I can go to, right? Like if I had a backyard, it would be a totally different story, but I don't have a backyard. I just, all I have is a window I can kind of open. That's the best I can do. So I have to, if I want to go even just breathe the outside air, I've got to step outside of my condo. So if I leave, I've got to be outside at least for a

little bit, but, and I understand that other've got to be outside at least for a little bit. And I understand that other people have to do it too, but people were just not really practicing social distancing very well. And so they just had to step in and say, well, we're just going to close the parks then. We won't give you a place to do this anymore. But with the ventilator thing you said, when he's saying, don't worry, you're going to get them or they're on their way. there's so many, when he's saying, you're going to, don't worry, you're going to get them or they're on their way. There's so many false stories that are coming out now.

I don't know if you saw this. How many different false stories? Last week, we reported on the, we talked about the ventilators for GE, the big three or whatever. This week, now they're rolling all that back and they said, yeah, well, yeah, they're saying that they're going to instead be producing,

if they can, they're going to be producing masks instead. They can't really retool a lot of stuff. So they have to look into it. It's going to be months before they can actually get respirators going, ventilators going. They're going to do respirators, not ventilators. Tesla, Elon Musk, where I was talking about him last week, well, he bought an immense amount of ventilators from somewhere and donated them.

And I guess they're trying to retool their assembly line, but they just don't. It takes time. You can't just, like, today I'm just going to make a ventilator. It's not like, oh, turn the carburetor making machine into a ventilator. Oh, just spin that little dial over there into turning it into ventilators.

You can just spin that around and be like, Oh, okay. I guess we're just going to be, we'll be cool. We'll just going to turn this. Yeah. Is there any way you could just turn that bumper into a tube instead?

Right. It's not going to work. So how many emails are we going to get from people that are like, you know, modern cars don't have carburetors and specifically you wouldn't have one in an electric car. Okay. I know.

And also last week we talked about the WHO and how we were wondering where those test kits were and whatnot. I guess we had gotten a message from Joshua and he had said that if you're a country that can produce them, you should. And that's

what happened. And so we didn't get test kits from them, but I think we wanted to create our own test kits. And that's what the sluggishness was. I don't think we followed maybe a recipe that was already there. I think we're just sort of doing it on our own. And that might've been what the sluggishness was, but it certainly wasn't, there weren't just boxes of test kits we could have had. We would have had to produce them regardless. They don't give those test kits away. So that's one thing that we mentioned last week. But the amount of disinformation that's flying out there too in the face of this is crazy. I saw a story this week

about a guy, a priest who supposedly gave up his respirator to save someone else's life. That turned out to be false. I found- And that was reported everywhere. Yep. Yep. Yep. Everywhere. I found- And that was reported everywhere. Yep, yep, yep. Everywhere. Like, I don't mean to interrupt you, but just, you know, like, like these stories are being reported in major, like this is not like minor,

it's not some asshole's blog. Like this is like, this stuff is all over the place. Like that, that whose story was all over the place. The priest story is all over the place. And like major reputable news sources are reporting on this stuff. And then later finding out it's not accurate. Yeah.

The, the, the pictures of the dolphins or whatever that are inside of an area was taken somewhere else. They said it was in the, the, that the Venice, Venice canals were clean for the first time in a long time. And then they showed that the picture wasn't taken in Venice. And so there's all this stuff, the elephants that got drunk on wine because there were no humans around or corn liquor or something.

And they're saying, yeah, that wasn't this week or whatever. And so there's just been, there's just all this weird news that comes out, but then there's also just bad news that comes out. And it's hard because you try to do your best and you try to pay attention. One of the things I wanted to talk about this week, but I can't find it anywhere but really sketchy sources, is this lupus medication that Trump is touting that the one person just recently died on, the Arizona man who died, he wound up taking this stuff. It's called chloroquine. I don't

know if I'm pronouncing that correctly. Chloroquine phosphate. And he took some of this stuff. It's a lupus and arthritis medication that people are taking, but he took some that was meant for cleaning an aquarium out. Like your fish tank, right? Yeah, like your fish tank. And he died from it. And another person I read, but I never found it in a good source, that a couple in Nigeria did the same thing, but I didn't find a good source on it, right? So I never saw that anywhere that was a good source. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that a good source doesn't exist, but I couldn't find one. And so I don't know how true it is, right? But the president is saying things, at least he was until very recently, saying that this is going to be a great drug. This is going to be the drug that could really turn everything around. And people have been hoarding this drug. Other people who have been using it for a long time have been taken off of it or it's going up. It's going up in price. People are hoarding it. It's just, it's getting crazy. And there's

no proof. No, there's a, there's one tiny study that says it doesn't do anything. And then there's nothing else. The study was like an anecdote of like eight people. And like Dr. Fauci is just like, just not a thing. Like he's like straight up, like correcting the president on it. Like during, when reporters have asked me, it's like, that's just like, don't what? No, don't pay. Why? I don't even know why you would say that. Why do I work here?

I work here because I now have an obligation to work here. Yep. And that's exactly it. And you know, the thing is, is that this isn't the only thing. Let's, I want to talk about all the other lies that Trump has done in the last. And this is the thing, you know, this is just documentable, right? It's not that this is an opinion. A lot of people can be upset with how he's handling it. Oh, he's not moving quickly enough. He's not doing this.

What you really should be upset about, you can argue about the logistics of it and you could say he didn't do a good enough job logistically here and there, and there can be back and forth, right? That's how a normal administration would handle it. There would be arguments about whether or not they handled X, Y, or Z in an appropriate manner. But when it comes to this, this is literally a fact. Did he lie? Yes, he did. Did he lie multiple times about that? Yes, he did. He lied multiple times over and over and over again. He downplayed it. And then he said false and misleading things over and over. That's not just I disagree on how he's rolling this out. I disagree on how he's interacting with governors. That's he is fucking lying to you. He's like saying things that are demonstrably provably untrue and frequently,

not only untrue, but he's also saying things that are like in direct contrast to things he himself later says. So like, you can't have it both ways. You cannot have two competing realities about the same topic, but there's like, there's still people like, yeah, it's all, it's all, there's no inconsistencies here. And it's like, but he said two different things about the same topic. And you're like, yeah, no, you know, great man. So good. Tells it like it is. Yeah. I'm going to read a couple of these off. It's, you know, he, he, he said that the coronavirus would weaken when we got into April and a warmer weather. And that has a very negative effect on that and that type of virus.

And that's not true. They don't know whether that's true or not. They just literally have no idea if that's a... It's possible because some respiratory illnesses do that, but some don't. And we don't know yet. And just to say that out loud isn't true. All it is is just trying to protect himself.

He's trying to make it seem like he's trying to soften the blow so that there's not as big a swing in the stock market. He said the outbreak would be temporary. It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle. It'll disappear. And then a couple days later,

they said, no, that's not how this works. That's that we have to do a lot of stuff in order to try to slow it down. And even then, there's still going to be people who die. I cannot imagine somebody saying something so flippant about this and being in charge of it all. He's just trying to downplay the gravity and severity. He was trying to downplay the gravity and severity of it so that people would stay calm. Yeah. A lot of this stuff is from a while ago,

but you can get into false statements. He said this week, automobile companies have volunteered to manufacture medical equipment such as ventilators, and they are making them right now. And that's not true. I'm going to read it aloud. Ford and General Motors, which Trump mentioned at a task force briefing the same day, announced earlier in March that they had halted all factory production in North America and were likely months away from beginning production of ventilators. Representatives told the Associated Press. Since then, Ford's CEO told CNN that the auto company will begin work with 3M

to produce respirators with GM to assemble ventilators. GM said it would explore the possibility of producing ventilators in an Indiana factory, and Tesla said that they were working on ventilators, but none could be produced instantly. So, you know, when he says they're making them right now, you're lying to us. They are not making them right now. You're a liar. You could say, you mean, you could easily just say, yeah, they're working on it. And that would be, that would be a feel good enough story, but like he never, like nothing is good enough. Right. Like, like there's

a sense from him that if he doesn't provide an instant, instantly gratifying answer, because that's what he needs. That's what like seems to drive him is that like nobody else will be satisfied. I would not be thrilled to learn that I don't have enough ventilators in the country, but that's not new information. We've known since day one that there's not enough ventilators. So I am gratified at the idea that additional respiratory equipment is being manufactured, period, right? And I am not a fool. I recognize that things don't turn over tomorrow.

There's no magic wand that gets waved, but he's a businessman, not a leader,, but he's a businessman, not a leader. He's a businessman and not a president. So in his world, he waves a wand and in the background, hundreds of people scurry to make his dreams come true. And that's how he thinks the world works. Because in his mind, that's how the world has always worked. The other thing I want to talk about too is his projections for getting us out by Easter. He wants to talk about how we're trying to get us out by Easter. And he said it the other day.

And did you see what happened to the stock market that day? There was a tweet I saw that said, if the stock market goes up because they know that people will die to fulfill their business obligations, it shows the system runs on blood. That's what it shows everybody. And it's so true, right? There needs to be blood in the gears for things to work. You can't shut this economy down because if you do, something bad is going to happen, but the bad things that are going to happen are economic. You can shut the economy down and slow it down. And the bad things that won't happen

are that people won't get this disease, transmit this disease and watch their grandpa die, right? So, you know, those are the two options. And like I said, there's people in the Lieutenant Governor in other areas of this country that are saying, yeah, we want to just, we don't care. We're willing to do this. This is a, it's, you know, you got to feed the blood God. You got to, you got to sacrifice to the blood God and capitalism is the blood God. I will say like, bully for you if you are saying, look, I'm willing to make that sacrifice. But what,

what I'm not comfortable with is saying like, yeah, you know, I'm willing for you to make that sacrifice. Yep. Like I don't get to decide for you what sacrifices you make. And you don't get to decide for me what sacrifices my dad makes or what sacrifices my friends make. And like, yes, it's true that it primarily or disproportionately affects the elderly, but it doesn't only affect the elderly. Nope. There are cases all the time, every day, every single day. There's like, I mentioned earlier, there's like a 38-year-old principal of an elementary

school who dies. There's like a story I read the other day. It was like some like perfectly healthy 30-something-year-old nurse who had great medical interventions. She still died. People still die from this thing that don't have other exacerbating conditions and are not elderly. It's just that those are the most affected.

It's not the only affected parties. No. Yeah. There's percentages that are small, but they're still there. And they're like, I'm not willing to die for this. I'm not willing to die

so that I don't lose a paycheck. I'll lose a paycheck rather than this. Like, I'm not willing to die so that I don't lose a paycheck. I'll lose a paycheck rather than die. Like, what the fuck? Nobody gets to sacrifice my life for me. If I wanted that, I'd have joined the fucking military. And I want to talk to you for a second. You know, we talk about the military all the time. In this country, we have a hard-on for the military.

People, you know, applaud them when they get on planes and then they give up their seats and all this stuff. I'll tell you what, I hope that that culture changes and it's, look at the people who are in the front lines right now. The healthcare workers that are on the front lines of this, the grocery store workers that are on the front line of this. All those people have to,

you know what happened to me the other day? I wanted to go in to get, I had to move Glory Hole Studios, right? So I had to move Glory Hole Studios out of our studio, some of it, to my house because I can't leave. I shouldn't be leaving the house. I could, but I shouldn't. So I decided not to. Well, when I moved it, I broke one of the monitors. I had to carry stuff from the car. It was in a bag. It got shifted and one of the monitors broke. So I had to go to Micro Center the next day to buy a new monitor. I go up and I walk up and in Micro Center, there's a line to get into the store and everybody's about six feet apart. And so I'm waiting in this line and I think it's the line to get in the store, but it's not the line to get in the store. Instead, it's a line to talk to a guy

at the front to give him your phone number. He will text you when you can go into the store. Oh, that's cool. It was essentially, and they said, we can only fit 24 people in the store. And the one guy comes up and says, I already ordered. And I had already ordered too. Right. And the guy's complaining, I already ordered. And he said, well, too bad. In order to pick it up, you got to get in line. And so there was this huge line standing outside. We waited to talk to the guy. We talked to the guy, got our number. I went and sat in that car for 25 minutes, waited for them to call me, stood inside for about another 20 minutes, got what I needed and left. But it was genuinely just a very orderly way to do it. But I looked around and it was the only store that was playing that. I looked over across the street at Home Depot and the entire Home Depot lot was full.

You look at every grocery store, the whole lot is full. They're not doing that anywhere except for a couple of places. And I think that that micro center had it right when they did it. Hats off to them. They were absolutely following social distancing rules

and they should do that with every place out there. They should absolutely, every place should be looking at the way in which you show up, you go back to your car, you get a text or whatever. And then that's how it works because that's a good way to do it in a way to make sure that people inside are less likely to get this. Yeah. There are so many companies and businesses, but so many people that are not taking this seriously still. I'm like flabbergasted. What else needs to happen in order for you to look up? And I know the answer, actually. I know the answer because

there's a sense, like you mentioned before, how it just sort of feels. There is a sense that I have every day that I'm running around nailing boards against my windows for a hurricane that's just over the horizon. You know what I mean? I can't see it yet because it's not here. It's in New York and some other places. But right now in my present day, I walk outside and it's bright and sunny and the birds are chirping and everything looks normal, but I'm running around like a crazy person, just fucking nailing boards to everything that'll take a nail. And I'm sweating and I'm running around like a crazy person, just fucking nailing boards to everything that'll take a nail, you know? And like, I'm sweating and I'm panting and I'm fucking freaked out. And I'm like, I'm trying everything to make sure I'm ready. And then you turn around, you're like, for what?

You know? And you just feel like a crazy person. And I get it. I totally fucking get it. And I think there's this sense that because things are happening, but have not happened, that because it's invisible, but because it's something which is pending and we're not good at pending events that don't come to fruition quickly. Environmental crisis, thank you very much. Right. You know, so it's really difficult for people to wrap their head around this thing. Like, I think we're good at wrapping our head around it and then like bracing for a storm within 24 hours.

But if it was like, there's a storm coming in it, it's going to show up sometime in the next four to six weeks. But you need to start getting ready now. There'd be like, like, it's like fucking, what are you, what are you even talking about? What? I see people talk about this online a lot. And a bunch of people say, welcome to hurricane season in Florida. You know, that's, that's what they say. That's what they say. It feels like they say that say that's what this feels like. Okay. This feels like hurricane season in Florida. And, you know, and again, one of the things that might happen with this is if we do good

things and we do things right, it might never come over the horizon as bad as you thought. If you do it all right, you could feasibly prevent a lot of this. And so that's what we should be aiming for. We should be aiming for the moment where everybody goes, that was it? Because that's the moment I want. You know what? Me too. But I'm also afraid of that moment because that will become problematic for next time. You know what I mean? Here's what scares me the most, Cecil. The thing that scares me the most is that this thing has a seasonality to it, right? Because if this thing has a summer seasonality to it and we ramp everything if this thing has a summer seasonality to it and like we ramp

everything down and there's this terrible financial pain and et cetera, and then it kind of nothing burgers, you know, which is what we hope happens, then everybody will be like, well, that was a great big fucking nothing burger. And then when it starts to cool down again in the fall and this thing ramps back up again, exactly like the flu pandemic of 1918-19, that is literally the same thing that happened. So then when it ramps back up again, people will look at this and be like, that was bullshit last time. We're not turning off the economy. We just got back on our feet, life as usual. And it'll be worse than we ever thought. You know what I mean? Because we're not good at like, we're not good at learning the right lesson. We're bad at learning

the right lesson. Instead, the lesson we, I'm afraid that we'll learn is that was a waste of time. This normally do a drag queen bingo. And this year, because coronavirus hates drag queens, is probably not going to do that. You guys are going to have to move it, but you guys still need some cash. Guys, Waiting for Wrath, welcome back to the show. Hey, great to be here. Thanks for having us. Yeah, thanks, guys. Good to talk to you again.

Fair warning, I may have a little delay in my internet here. I live out in the prairie now, and the gerbils that power my internet are tired tonight. It's nice to be in a state where you can literally social distance just by going home, you know? So yeah. Six people per square mile. It's good. My nearest neighbor is three miles away.

I don't get more socially distant than I am. I actually thought about you guys at, you know, when this coronavirus thing started to heat up and everybody was worried about, you know, what they, I thought like, you know, like the waiting for the wrath guys, it's like you're living in Greenland, you know, you're never going to get infected. You can just kind of kick back, hands behind your heads, just like, ha ha, suckers. Now this is our time to shine. A cleanup once the rest of the world has expired.

There is a certain walking dead default state that they call Wyoming. And so far, it's been good for not getting sick, but we did get our first official case, I think, yesterday. Oh, really? Oh my god! Wow.

Yes, in our county. But then they're going to leave, right? They're just visiting or something? Yeah, we're just going to ship them to Colorado. That's the easiest way to handle that.

Just push them over the border and be like, no, this is just not for you. We're not doing that. No. The two governors,

the two governors basically have like shuffleboard sticks and they're trying to shove them over the two to decide who gets the number, you know? Yeah, except the governor of Colorado is too stoned

he keeps just hitting him with the handle so guys tell us about what happened with drag queen bingo this year I know everybody's super excited about it but it's it doesn't look like it's going to happen until later now yeah we were you know we were kind of hoping it was it was supposed it's always the last Saturday in April, and we were hoping

to maintain that schedule. I'd had emergency surgery back in January and was recovered enough that I was still going to be able to do the show. The other queens literally are building me a throne from which to pontificate. And we're just going to have to postpone that. Our theme this year is a royal affair, partly in honor of my boyfriend has moved at least to the continent. He's still with his wife, Megan, but I can't officially call him my royal boyfriend anymore. There's a contract involved. That took me half a second. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, no, you had me in the first half. You definitely had me in the first half. Absolutely. But we've had to push the date back. We've got a date set. It's going to be October 10th.

But in the meantime, we would really love some additional donations to kind of carry us through so that when we raise the big money in October, we've got something to continue providing support because right now, we're getting some additional requests for things that are from folks that are being a little hard hit. Yeah. And I mean, if you're banking on your one

sort of yearly or annual push, and that has to get moved six months out, that's got to be pretty difficult to deal with as an organization because you're banking on that one big push. So absolutely. And how would people donate if they were going to donate right now? The easiest way is probably to go to yoaids.org. That's w-y-o-aids.org. And there's donation buttons just all over the place. You can also find them on Facebook and so on.

Just search for YoAids. It'll come up. We're also a registered charity with Amazon Smile and with PayPal Gives. So folks can also donate that way, just doing their regular shopping and it doesn't cost them anything extra. AIDS is a virus.

HIV is a virus. Human immunodeficiency virus. Has there been a president that's come out and said you could take lupus medication to fix it, and now we're taking lupus medication, and that just wipes it. It just eats it all up like the ocean eats oil or something. Is that something that's on the horizon for HIV people, people that suffer from HIV? Well, that in addition just to the extra problem that pretty much most of the folks that we're talking about and that we support are immunocompromised. So, you know,

they're a little nervous right now, I think, a lot of them. There is some really fantastic work being done there in the White House that we can all be ever so proud of. It's just bigly leadership and the very best phone calls. Guys, just refresh our audience's memory on what WIO AIDS does

for people who have AIDS in Wyoming? Well, we pay for some of the little things that insurance providers in government and federal assistance programs don't cover. So sometimes it's the copay on somebody's medication. So sometimes it's the copay on somebody's medication. It could be one of the requests that we got this week was for cremation expenses. We get requests for travel reimbursement because we now have a grand total of two doctors in the state of Wyoming who are primary care providers for HIV positive patients. The rest of them have to travel across the border to Rapid City, up to Billings, down to Denver, over to Salt Lake. So sometimes it's about hotels or gas. It can be about getting some dental work done. One of the things that can be difficult is making sure that you're eating well and that many of the medications you've got to take with food or make sure that you're still fueling your body.

And if you've got a bum tooth and you can't afford to go to the dentist, that can make all of that difficult. So we try to fill in those little gaps for people. And we do that for people living here in the state of Wyoming with HIV or AIDS. We have a lot of folks who don't show up on our numbers necessarily because they are going and seeing primary doctors just across the border. But if you live in Wyoming and you are HIV positive, you can work with a caseworker here in the state of Wyoming and we'll do what we can to help make things a little bit easier for you, regardless of what that expense is. One of the best examples is being Wyoming, clean water is sometimes a difficulty. So wells and things like that.

I have a well. I live on a ranch. I'm basically a Gabor's sister. We call our ranch Queen Acres. Queen Acres is the greatest thing I've ever heard that's amazing so you're saying that they wind up having to go dig, get clean water in some ways? water filtration because we do have some well water drinkers in Wyoming you don't want them drinking

you don't want them drinking raw water water filtration much like you would find drinking raw water. Water filtration, much like you would find for soft or hard water. You can do filtering under the sink, filtering at the water tank, that kind of thing. And that goes a long way when you're immunocompromised and already have to worry about a pandemic. Clean water should probably be one of those things that is accessible in America, everywhere.

Yeah. You know, can we just say like, we're past should be and America being in the same sentence at this point, like, yeah, the whole purpose and it's amazing and it's important work, but like the work that you guys do is you fill in the gaps we shouldn't have. You guys, everything that you're doing with YOAIDS is you are sowing a safety net for people with this charity because we as a society have chosen not to sow one ourselves. And I can't think of more important work that needs to be done. If this doesn't happen,

you know, the consequences are dire. And we know that. It's amazing that you guys are doing this work and hats off to you for recognizing that need and filling in. We are literally a homegrown organization. We had a dear friend of ours, Bob Hooker, who was kind of our cheerleader and had been HIV positive since the 80s. And he helped us establish the very first Wyoming AIDS Walk here in the state of Wyoming. And Drag Queen Bingo was just the after party. The second year we did the AIDS Walk, we thought, hey, let's bring those drag queens up and do this party too. And now the walk has gone away and Drag Queen Bingo is the event. And we're raising more money in one night of bingo than we ever raised with the walk in any given year.

the walk in any given year. We're double checking our math on things, but we think that we're right around the neighborhood of about $350,000 to $400,000 that we've raised in almost 20 years. This is year 19 since the walk was founded. So we so we've, we've been at this since 2001 raising money for people here in Wyoming because they're just, there wasn't anybody doing that before. There wasn't a, um, a real good mechanism to raise awareness or to raise, raise private money. There were, there were some, um, some state organizations and County groups, but, um, we saw the need and just, some state organizations and county groups, but, um, we saw the need and just,

just tried to fill it, just trying to do one little thing that we, that we could change our corner of the world. So I want to talk for a second about, uh, your guys' podcast. Um, it looks like your podcast is ending.

Can you tell us what's happening with waiting for wrath? Yeah, sure. So, um, we're going to end the current format just because it's, I don't know, we're going to pick right back up

with another show called Interesting If True. And we're going to tell ridiculous stories and skeptical stories. And we're going to have some fun quizzes and some, you know, silly, like, you know, is it Alex Jones or Sklea or whoever kind of quote quizzes and just fun things that are in our area. But we're going to try to make something with a little bit more of a universal appeal.

And we're going to be in the comedy category instead of the religion other category. So hopefully we can reach a few more people and be a little bit more, I don't know, reach a larger base so that we can try to raise a little bit more money for WyoAids. Nice, nice. Yeah, if you've listened to Waiting for Wrath and you have liked our show,

our new show is going to be very, very, very similar, but perhaps, hopefully, maybe a little less crass. Maybe. Maybe. I like the maybe. I like the maybe. So people were going to check out the new show. Let's say that this airs and they want to check out the new show. Is there a website up for that new show? There will be, I imagine, by the time this airs, that'll be interestingiftrue.com. And, you know, if you have Waiting for Wrath bookmarked or if you're listening to us or following us on all the socials,

we're going to just kind of forward everything over. So you should be able to find us just by searching interestingiftrue. And, you know, hopefully the show that week won't be lying to you. We'll have to find out. Well, good luck with that. That's awesome. to you. We'll have to find out. Good luck with that.

That's awesome. I'm glad you guys are branching out, changing things up. It's always fun to try new projects, even if you don't get any listeners like Citation Needed. It's nice. We could just continue to toil in obscurity, but we'll have a shiny new logo,

which is kind of like living. Exactly. Sure. Well, guys, thank you so much for like living. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, sure. Well, guys, thank you so much for joining us. And we're so happy to help out. We hope our listeners donate. And we are definitely going to have you back on for when you guys are talking about Drag Queen Bingo coming up in October.

We'll have you back on then. But we will direct people to go to wyoaids.org and donate now so that they can help people that are going to be in some dire need between now and your major fundraiser this year. So thanks for joining us, guys. And hopefully people check out your new show and donate to WYO Aids.

Hey, thank you for having us. And yeah, we appreciate everything your listeners have done and hopefully will do. Thank you. Thanks, guys. And thanks for the work that you're doing. Yeah, thanks, guys. I almost said gentlemen, but I caught myself. So we want to thank our patrons. Of course, we want to thank all our patrons, but we want to thank our most recent patrons, Kelly, Matthew, Fuck Danish Donuts for Life, The Supreme Court Ruled 5-4 that Podcasts are Unconstitutional, BT, Hazel, John, Kishu, Asada, no idea if I pronounced that correctly, and Mark, thank you so much. And, you know, it was random, but Fuck Danish Donuts for Life gets the mug this time. Oh!

Randomly chosen. All right, guys. Got to talk a little bit about the mugs. I promise I will send out mugs when I am back at work more regularly. So I mail out the mugs from my regular job. I know I owe some people some mugs. I'm just practicing good social distancing and limiting the

amount of time that I spend at the office. So my business, I'm at home right now. So I'm not going to the post office to mail out mugs just yet, but we will keep track of them. We will mail them out. People that deserve mugs and have become patrons, you'll get your mugs, I promise, People that deserve mugs and have become patrons, you'll get your mugs, I promise, but you may have to wait a little bit. So we also, to that end, we want to do something a little bit different than we've done in the past. So I want to do this on kind of a personal level. So everybody knows Cecil and I have regular jobs. This podcast is something we've always done as something that was just a passion project for both Cecil and myself, started a long time ago.

And the pandemic crisis is hitting everybody. And I'm going to be very honest, it's hitting me very personally. And it is going to severely affect the income of myself and my family. So if you are thinking about or have the ability to become a patron, I'm just going to go ahead and ask you. I could use the help. I just could. We make a lot of jokes about chicken wings and beer. It's not chicken wings and beer. We're dedicated to the podcast. We're going to keep the podcast going. The podcast is deeply important to us, but there is some significant financial impact that my family

is going to be going through as a result of the pandemic. And I could just use your help. So if you've been thinking about being a patron, now would be a time that I would be terribly grateful for your support. Yeah. Tom's actually going to try to adopt Ian so that he can get the money that we pay Ian to do. So we'll see if that works out. I don't know. But yeah, genuinely, we could absolutely use it. It's a trying time for us. We're trying to keep the podcast going while we're trying to keep our jobs. And our jobs are both looking very tenuous right now. So any help that you can offer, if you're in a stable position, we would really, really genuinely appreciate it. If you enjoy the show, we hope that you can offer, if you're in a stable position, we would really, really genuinely appreciate it.

If you enjoy the show, we hope that you donate to us, patreon.com slash dissonance pod. And you can donate on a per episode basis. Even a dollar helps, a dollar helps. So please, a dollar an episode- Makes a world of difference, guys. Makes a huge difference.

So just think of it as buying us a cup of coffee every two episodes. I was gonna say every episode, but you can't get a cup of coffee for a dollar anymore. So I'm going to talk about some email that we got. We got a message from Terry and Terry sent along this image and we're going to put it on this week's show notes.

And it's consider becoming a MAGA martyr. And it's really, a MAGA martyr. And it's really, really funny. So we're going to post it on this week's show notes. It's actually really hilarious. And it's in reference to all the people saying, go out and go shopping. Even if you're old, don't matter.

Got a message from Holly and Holly sent in this awesome White House press briefing bingo card that is genuinely awesome. I mean, it could, and the best part is, is that, yeah, you're at home now, right? And the White House is giving

these daily coronavirus briefings. You could get, if you did this as a drinking game, holy shit, you'd be so wasted by the end of this. Oh my God. Oh my God. You'd be so wasted.

Is it still bingo if within like 10 seconds you just splash the whole pot for just you could actually just use this as like a random speech generator for Trump just close your eyes

and just slap your paw at it we're going to post that in this week's show notes we got a message from Terry and Terry said slap your paw at it. Oh, it's awesome. We're going to post that in this week's show notes. You're going to want to check it out. We got a message from Terry and Terry said that a chain of grocery stores in Canada, Loblaws,

I don't know if I'm saying that correctly, they're going to be doing this, a temporary 15% increase retroactive to March 8th for their workers. Wow. I got to say, my hat's off to all the people that we don't want to pay $15 workers. Wow. I got to say, my hat's off to all the people that

we don't want to pay $15 an hour to. I got to say, those people are crushing it right now. They're absolutely crushing it. You go to the store and these people have to be in contact with people all day. They're not separated by that because none of our fucking, the ways in which we check people out at the grocery store, that's not fucking six feet away from people. That's not social distance. And look at how they cram those people in the front of those. That's not social distance at all.

And so those people are stuck constantly in this position all day. I just feel for those people so much. I ordered out twice since this happened. And I have been giving enormous tips because I just recognize how shitty it's got to be to be that guy who's got to go buy somebody's house and possibly deliver something that could get them sick. What's amazing is how so many of the least appreciated people in our economy are the

people that when everything shuts down, we rely on the most. They're the people at the drive-thru, at the pharmacy, at the drive-thru, stocking the toilet paper that everybody buys 13 seconds after it's put out. They're the people delivering your food to you. They're the line cook. All those people we don't want to pay are the people who are keeping things going while so many other people are unemployed or working from home. And they deserve some fucking kudos for that. They do. And they deserve more money for that. Genuinely more money. There's a lot of money that's being spent at all of these places. You talk about all those places that are,

grocery stores are crushing it right now. They're absolutely crushing it. They're busy start to finish every day. And so they're making a ton of money. They should be passing some of those profits onto the people who are working there. And HazardPay is the way to do it. Because we're not willing to pay them $15 an hour. So HazardPay that shit up.

We got a message from Mark and Mark sent in a course, a free course from Imperial London College on COVID-19. It's a science-based course. And so we're going to post a link on this week's show notes. If you want to take it, take a look and see. You're going to get some good information, I bet, out of this course. Mark also sent in an image. He said there's a urinal from an Irish bar here in Nottingham, and they have a picture of Trump holding his hand up and he's got his mouth open and they put it in the urinal. It's so great. It's so great. I love when, you know, you know,

what makes me feel good is when our leader is so despised that across the world, people are like, I don't even want, like, like in America, we don't even know who the elected leaders of any other country are. Literally no other country. We're not even, most people can't name 30 of the 50 states in our own country. Sure. Much less the elected leader of another country. When your leader is so bad that in other countries are like, I'm pissing on that guy. Yep. We have fucked some shit up. Yeah. And you know, when we were over there, Tom, do you remember when we were over there? Oh, yeah. There was a big image of Trump over there when we were in Dublin.

There's a huge image of Trump. And this was right before he got elected. So it was in October of the year he got elected. I think it was October. Yeah, October, because we went to QED. So it was the year he got elected. He was painted on a window looking like an idiot

in the middle of Dublin. So I can't imagine that they slowed that shit down after he got elected. No, he didn't prove anybody wrong.

Yeah. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. That's so sad. It's not like any of us were like, you know what really surprised me?

Oh, man. You called it though a couple of weeks ago. You absolutely called it when you said, okay, so this is the worst person we could possibly have for this. And you're just like, you know, this is the worst person. Oh, God.

So, we got a message. We get messages all the time for, do you guys have a PO box? Can you give us our address? We will when we are able

to go back to the studio. But the problem is if you send something to studio now, it's going to sit there. And if it sits there, I can't pick it up and we've had packages

stolen from there. So, it's not great to send stuff there anyway, but especially if we're not able to go there because someone will just gank that fucking thing. So we won't give you

our address now, but remind us when, when we're done with the coronavirus. I look forward to that happening. And then you just let us know and we'll...

Yeah, there's still... You're going to have to wrap it up in like a deer skin. They said they're sending smoke signals to us. Yeah, it's going to be amazing. Oh, fuck. So I want to thank Aaron and Jim from the Waiting for Wrath podcast for joining us. Remember that you can give to WyomingAIDSassistance

at wyoAIDS.org. And you can give right now to that organization. The Drag Queen Bingo is the primary source of their fundraising, but in October, it's going to be moved to October. So they definitely need urgent fundraising right now. So if you have some extra dollars and you want to help people with AIDS in Wyoming, you can go to wyoades.org. Thanks again, guys, for coming on. That is going to wrap it up for this week. We're going to leave you like we always do with the Skeptic's Creed.

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