Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 536: Confessions of a Former Fox News Christian

Episode Date: August 10, 2020

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Seth, welcome to the show. Lobe, I am with you always, even into the ends of the earth. Seth, you got a new book coming out. Tell us all about it. And I'm here to shamelessly shill for it. Plug away, my friend. We want to jump right in. So go ahead.

I am trying to get the word out about this sucker. You know, for a couple of reasons. One of them is, and I'll be honest, hugely selfish. Like nobody puts a book out and says, I hope it fails, right? I want it to succeed. I want it to go out and make a ripple and to be part of the conversation. And that's really the second part is I feel like,

especially now in this white hot political climate, in this weird, you know, big top circus that we found ourselves in spiraling toward November 3rd. I want to talk about a culture that I came out of. The book is called Confessions of a Former Fox News Christian. And it's a reverse engineering of how I used to be that guy. You know, I was a total Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity and Fox and Friends guy. I was a Rush Limbaugh addict. I read Ann Coulter.

I was this sort of, you know, God and guns. The founding fathers were all Jesus, warriors, man. And this country belongs to me and the the seculars, and the Democrats are coming for my freedoms, and screw other nations. It's all about America. I mean, I was that guy. How Texan were you? I'm close. I live in Oklahoma. Oklahoma, yeah. We're Texas's hat.

It's like Diet Texas right there. That's what that is. And Texas is our ass so it really kind of works out it's a tandem relationship so you know i wanted to go back and take a look at that and to be a little more serious to get into the nuts and bolts where did fox come from these conservative power players obviously pushing right wing usually right wing right-wing evangelical propaganda. How did this happen? What are the gears in the machine? We go back to the middle of the 20th century to sort of the formative years in the Roger Ailes Republican propaganda machine. We get into the ties between Fox News and today's Trump White House. We get into the culture itself.

Wait, there's a connection there? A little bit of a connection, if you look real hard. Also, you know, I wanted to get into things like the NRA. Where the hell did that come from? And how did they become a gun cult? And where did they go today when they got dissolved? So anyway, yeah. But I want to ask, though, how long ago for you was this?

Well, I was an atheist. I mean, I first said the word atheist in regard to myself in 2008. At that time, I was still a pretty solid conservative. Like I emerged from my religious cocoon, but I had not yet looked at all of my value system and philosophies without my God glasses, right? Because once you get out, then you go back and you're like, well, wait a minute. You know, my view on abortion was filtered through religion. My view on the death penalty was kind of an eye for an eye thing. It was based in conservative Christianity. My views on this and that, and hell, even other nations around the world

and the founding fathers and all that stuff, it was really rooted in Christianity. And that took another few years before I sort of sloughed off some of those. And it's funny because the people in my inner circle watching me are like, who are you? I didn't even recognize the guy today as opposed to the guy back in 2007. I bet not.

I mean, I bet you could tie your own shoes. You could button a shirt. I mean, the skills. I'm fucking around, obviously. I imagine some of those guys can tie a shoe. So how big of an influence then was Fox News? Was Fox News, did Fox News, I've always been curious about this.

Did Fox News influence your thinking or did it confirm existing thinking when you were in that world? No, it's both. And I wrote about that in the book. It actually feeds on and feeds into the mindset all at the same time, right? It tells me all the time that I, as an American Christian, I'm under attack, right? The attack narrative is constant on Fox News. They're coming for your freedoms. They're coming for your God. They're coming for

your guns. They're coming for America, you know. They promise a lot of coming, but they never really get that, you know. Never get to climax. So I'm listening to that and it validates the persecution narrative I already have. And then it also sort of feeds into me this message of fear, right? The amygdala fires up and I'm like, oh my God, they really are coming. And it's this feedback loop. I'm on this hamster wheel of panic all the time. So it was both, it was both a conduit and an amplifier for what I was already thinking. So when you became a Democrat or when you moved over to the left, did you have to give up all of

your guns at that time? And like, how many guns did you lose in that process? I'm guessing. Honestly, I still have a couple of firearms. I got a couple of firearms. And that's something that I try to talk about. I know nuance is dead on the internet, but many people, when they hear about someone

who owns a firearm in the United States, especially people in other countries, they just picture the, you know, the old Seth's got a rusty red pickup truck with a Confederate flag flying and, and, you know, a shotgun in the rack and the rear window. And, you know, he's walking around in suspenders and no shirts. But the truth is there are millions upon millions of people who shoot for recreation. They even own a firearm perhaps even for home protection they're trained they treat the weapon with the respect it

deserves with gun safes and proper training again and all those things and they hate the nra those gun owners exist okay we're not all those people on the youtube fail army videos you know we're not all those guys the guy who shot his own cap you know, we're not all those guys. The guy who shot his own cap off his head while he's checking a squib round or whatever. Yeah, it's not that guy. But my perceptions really changed. It used to be like,

well, if I was ever asked to surrender my firearms, I'm going to need my firearm because freedom. But I've come to the point now where I'm like, well, honestly, if the greater good demanded that we did like a national sort of roundup of firearms to make the world a safer place, if that was part of the national conversation and I had a social responsibility and a civic duty, I'd hand them in. I mean, I'm okay with that. And that's the big difference from the Seth 15 years ago, for sure. So I used to be a Republican myself too, years and years and years ago.

I used to listen to, so I never watched Fox News, but I listened to Rush Limbaugh. I used to drive for a living and I listened to Rush Limbaugh a lot. And I remember listening to Rush Limbaugh quite a bit when he was fighting against the, it was universal healthcare or something. It was Bill Clinton's plan back in the day when Bill Clinton had planned to create some sort of a big healthcare bill and he was

fighting against it. And I remember that what it would do, it would arm me with all the arguments against, right? It would arm me with everything I needed for me to sort of march into battle in sort of an ideological war with someone because it listed out all the things that I needed to know and it removed from the conversation, removed from the idea, all the stuff that was a little problematic, a little tricky, a little of the stuff that I might actually agree with, he never really mentioned, right? He only mentioned the stuff that was a little problematic, a little tricky, a little of the stuff that I might actually agree with. He never really mentioned, right? He only mentioned the stuff that would get me hot and moving. Do you find that that's sort of Fox's ideas too, that they sort of, they give you what you need to sort of reinforce that, that idea over and over and over again, and give you sort of

these ammo, this ammo to walk into a conversation? Well, I mean, I don't know if it fits in a box. I know with Rush Limbaugh, and I was a big listener as well, I know that I would, you know, he would package it in a way that made it feel like a righteous crusade, right? And so when we opposed the healthcare bill during the Clinton administration, and Hillary was involved heavily in that, we opposed Hillary. You know, it became really

about the enemy. Oh, Hillary's behind it. Oh my God. You know, you don't, and we also saw that any sort of nationalized anything was aligned with communism, which was aligned with the Soviet Union of the Cold War era. I mean, there's a whole culture of people that see that if you are working under any sort of a national or socialist model, you are emulating a worship of the state, which was part of a big panic throughout the 20th century. It's something that, you are emulating a worship of the state, which was part of a big panic throughout the 20th century. It's something that, you know, we used to call ourselves one nation under God against the godless Soviet Union, against godless China, because they worship the state. And so there's this weird panic about anything that consolidates the nation as part of a social exercise where the government is involved.

I understand being nervous about government waste and corruption. But, you know, if you want to see waste and corruption, you can look at the private sector as well. And by the way, look at all the other social shit that we do. You're driving on highways. Your kids are in public schools. All these other things that people are like, well, that's different. That's a different type of something. Because I want that. That's the reason it's different is I want that. And that's what makes it. You mentioned Hillary there. And I can't help but think that that sort of thing spawned a whole

new way to look at politics, which is very team-based and very anti-people rather than idealistic. You know, like thinking about the ideas that a group is espousing rather than I dislike this person, I dislike this person. So it's really interesting. I think that Hillary was the first that I remember. I don't know that it's always been that way, but Hillary is the first that I remember. Well, you know, Trump has been effective by embedding crooked Hillary, crooked Hillary. I mean, every time he repeats it, fake news, fake news, sleepy Joe, sleep. I mean, he's got these little catchphrases. And the one thing he does effectively, especially to the MAGA base is that kind of stuff just replicates in their brain. It just brands itself into their

memory. And so now when they see Hillary, they see crooked Hillary in that way. It just brands itself into their memory. And so now when they see Hillary, they see crooked Hillary in that way. I don't think he's a genius. I was going to say it's ingenious. That's not a word I would use. But you know what I'm trying to say. I heard somebody say the other day that I'm aghast at a culture that will believe every rumor about Hillary and discard every fact about Donald Trump. Yeah. That is, that's where we are. My own mother. All right.

She unfriended me on Facebook because I'm such a liberal heathen and she just couldn't stand all the stuff I was posting. And I get that. I mean, it's totally fine. But my own mother says, I'm out. She unfriends her son. That's so funny. But my wife, my wife is still a friend of her and she comes in and she goes,

you should see the shit your mom just posted. I said, okay, fine. So she pulls it up and it's this, it's this conspiracy theory that's running rampant among MAGA conservatives. I think I know what you're talking about.

Yeah. That Fauci and Bill Gates roomed together at Cornell. Yeah, I've seen it. And it's, it's a hundred percent false. Fauci and Bill Gates roomed together at Cornell. They never went to school together. Uh, Bill Gates, you know, there's like, there's like six different things that they assert and not a single thing is true. Like Fauci would have had to have been eight years old. I'm sorry. Bill Gates. Bill Gates would have had to have been eight years old. I'm sorry. Bill Gates. Bill Gates would have had to have been eight years old

if they roomed together at Cornell. Fauci never went to Cornell. They said that Fauci used to be the CEO of a pharmaceutical company. He never was. They had George Soros, who was working for the Nazi party behind this company that gassed the Jews

during the Holocaust, which is now behind all the vaccine stuff and i'm like george soros was a he was a hungarian jew who escaped i mean it would have taken a 12 second google search of the biographies of the major players to debunk this but that's not what my mother's interested in right she's She's interested in, they're coming for us. They're coming for us. They're coming for us. It's all part of this apocalyptic Illuminati star chamber,

one world government narrative, you know? Yeah, so the best part about it is where they talk about Fauci in this, and I posted it. I'll post the link on this week's show notes, but the best part is when they're talking about Fauci, they basically say that Fauci and this corporation, this Moderna, were linked. And the thing is that Fauci's been working in the same job

since the 90s or something, or the 80s even. And in 2010 or 14, this company was created. So he had no way that he could be positive. It's so funny. The Snopes of it is hilarious because it basically just says every single thing is false. every single thing. And I saw it this week. And what's funny, Seth, is someone that I know who's a Trump supporter posted that. Oh my God. And it's because it's shared, but you're right. It confirms the worldview. It just 100% confirms what they're

going to say or think. And so they don't even bother to look it up because to them, it makes them feel like they're validated. And the worst part about that whole thing, when you get to the end, there's no real conclusion. It's just sort of a bunch of conspiracy facts. And then it just, there's nothing there. I mean, I think it's trying to tell you not to take the vaccine eventually. Draw your own conclusions. Yeah, but it's one of those connect the dots, sheeple. But I don't know where they go. I don't know what it makes when it's over. It's the conspiracy theory of, I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

Exactly. Well, you know, most of those posts usually end up with the words, wake up. Yeah. It does. I just was reading it. It's like, are you awake now? Like, are you paying attention? Well, you know, I write about in the book, there are, I wake up. It does. I just was reading it. It's like, are you awake now? Like, are you paying attention? Well, you know,

I write about in the book, there are, I mean, I'm not a brain scientist, but I'm leaning on brain scientists who actually have gone into sort of how conservatives think as opposed to non-conservatives. And there are trends. Now,

obviously there are going to be many exceptions to the, to the trend or the rule, but brain studies have found that there is a greater fear response among people who vote conservative. They're more tribalistic. They're more xenophobic. They're more about routine. They do not like change. They are more averse to the other. They travel less. They experiment less. to the other. They travel less. They experiment less. There are specific things about their brain, even the way the amygdala fires, the way the amygdala reacts to fear. Fear is a powerful emotion. There is some brain science revealing that among many hardcore conservatives, they are simply more afraid. I found that tremendously enlightening. And it explains a lot of how people operate because you got a network like Fox and you got people like Rush and Michael Savage and everybody tapping all the time on those fears. You know what?

America is on the ropes, man. It's the end. If Christianity is going away, your freedom is going away. It's all going away. It's the end of the world. People then do what? They rally behind a savior figure. Hello, orange twat waffle, Donald Trump.

Right? He steps in and says what at the 2016 convention? He says, I alone can fix it, right? It's a God-like position, an authoritarian model that who then jumps behind? People who are religious conservatives who are trained to respond to authoritarian language. There's a whole lot of gears in that machine, but I did run across some interesting stuff for sure. You know, it's interesting how much of the right-wing narrative is like, we're going to take away our freedoms, so we better install this authority to be in charge

of us so that we can maintain our freedom i want my freedom damn it will you please be my king so i can have my freedom no no my favorite is this one my favorite is this is the greatest country on the face of the planet and i have to have an AR-15 in case I have to rise up against my government when it turns on me. I'll be honest, after Portland, I'm starting to think maybe the AR-15, I might not want to give it up. You know what I mean? Whether it's stuffing people in cars and, you know, it's weird because you're right. They have this idea that authoritarianism is bad for the most part until it's their guy and then they're all on board, right? They don't want it. You listen to them talk about Obama. Not a single one of them

said he was chosen by God, but every single one of them says constantly that Trump is chosen by God. I talked a little bit about the fact-free claims that we are the greatest country on the face of the earth. This is like, we're number one, right? We're always chest thumping. And so I actually went through some of the major metrics. I'm like, so if you go up to someone and they, and I get it, like you're rooting for the home team. Like I'm rooting for the United States. I want us to be a winner. I want us to be great and to achieve greatness. I'd love us to be number one in every metric. So I'm not against my own country, but I'm also like, just the act of saying we're the greatest does not make us the

greatest. So by what metric do you say that? Is it cost of living? No. Median income? No. Average lifespan? No. Peacefulness or the amount of war in your culture. No, you know, in every, almost every metric, we just fail. Education, we fail tremendously. Yeah. And it doesn't make any difference because once you've made, maybe, maybe we're amazingly awesome at failing. We are, we are number one in the world at national pride. That is what we are number one at saying we're number one. And I found that extremely interesting. I have a big waving finger that just says pride and pride. Just I'm proud of my pride.

That's what I'm all about. Just being all about it. That's what I am. How does loving your own country, why do you have to cheat other nations? Like why can't I laud and even love other places, other regions, nations, cultures? Why does it have to be an either or thing? Which was common when I was a hardcore Republican. It was always like, you know what? It's my tribe inside these borders. If it happens here, it matters. If it happens over there, what do I care?

It's a tremendously insular, cocoonish way of looking at things. Well, what's the, okay, so you got out of it. A lot of people do. You know, people change. They change their minds. You know, we live in a culture right now that I don't know, sometimes I feel like

we don't forgive people who change their minds enough. I think we should be more forgiving to people who see the facts, see something, and then make a decision on, a better decision than the position they had before. How do we change minds? How do we, you know, your mind changed. How do we change people's minds

to get them away from this sort of thing? Do you have any ideas on that? It's interesting because I was asked this question the other day and you caught me at kind of a bad time. I'm not going to tell you that I've given up because I'm never going to give up. But after the long, unbelievable jaw dropping, language does not describe the comical awfulness of the Trump presidency. Like, I was naive at first. When he was first elected, I thought, well, yeah, all right.

Well, after a couple of months of this, people are going to have had enough. And they're going to be like, oh, screw this. We totally made a mistake. And then after the next few months happened and, you know, no, no, you know, they'll come to their senses. Here we are after 20,000 documented lies or misstatements. After all, did you guys see the Axios interview? Oh, yes, you know, they'll come to their senses. Here we are after 20,000 documented lies or misstatements. After all, did you guys see the Axios interview? Absolutely. With Jonathan Swan, who, by the way, deserves a stiff drink and a Pulitzer for the 30 minutes.

He's one of the few people to ask follow-up questions. I know, it's crazy. You know, it's insane. He didn't let him off the hook. I mean, he did let him gish gallop a little bit, but I, I, I quite frankly, I've, I still think the conversations need to happen. I still think people need to be challenged because quite frankly, these, first of all, the MAGA Republicans that I am in contact with, and I live in Oklahoma, they're everywhere. Donald Trump, if he met them,

would hold them in contempt. Like he would hate their guts. He wouldn't give them the time of day and all that type of stuff. Also, one of the conversations I'm having is, okay, look, if your husband was a pathological liar, and if he was a predator, he was putting his hands on his own daughter's ass,

and if he bilked college students out of money and cheated a charity and faked his autobiography and did all these things, blah, blah, blah. How would you feel about, would you stay with? No, I wouldn't stay with that person. What if your son was like that? Oh, I wouldn't want to train my child up to be that way. No, no, no. Well, how about your president? Well, the Lord sometimes uses flawed people to do his will. I got to say, like, my favorite thing, if there is a favorite thing, that's a pretty low favorite. But still, is the defense of Donald Trump as, because they never come out anymore.

They're unable, even the most ardent supporters for the most part, are unable to just say, that is a good man. Instead, they're just like okay all right but sometimes what god will do is he'll send in like a piece of dog shit and then you slip on that dog shit you hit your head that's what you realize on your road to damascus so you know sometimes like they have to use the most like crazy roundabout like you know god uses imperfect vessels of language it's amazing isis attacks us and they while they're running at us they slip on the dog shit then dog shit is a really beneficial thing i'm pro dog shit like i would eat a dog shit sandwich now because yeah god made dog it's i mean it's seriously the the amount of fucking mental

gymnastics and the fucking backflip bullshit that has to be done in order for them to be like, all right, you know, I recognize that he's, because they all universally are at some point in their value system forced to be like, all right, now that one I didn't get. Like, that one I don't agree with. Like, I can forgive this and that. We're going to tie it to religion, right? You got the Franklin Grahams, the Robert Jeffreys, you got Paula White, all the evangelicals who were just tap dancing over the state church line and romping through the White House on taxpayer money. And what was that line from Trump? Was it today where he said that Biden was going to hurt God? I was like, holy shit. I didn't realize Biden had those types of powers.

You know, that's new. He can drink a glass of water. I'm thinking Biden might smell God's hair. But other than that, I don't know that he's going to hurt him. I want to ask you, though, Seth, and this is, I think, you know, maybe I've never heard your origin story, but what shook you up? What got you to think differently? What changed your mind? And is that something we can use to maybe help us in this struggle? Well, it's good that you brought me back full circle because the truth is,

is that there's a line out there as a meme or something that says you can't reason someone out of something they weren't reasoned into to begin with. That's total horseshit, by the way. I hate that meme. I was reasoned out of my unreasonable faith. Okay. People are reasoned out of religion or bad ideas all the time. So please, if you see that meme, counter it, dump it, delete it, don't spread it. It's just a bad idea. For me, it was a lot of, it was a couple of big things. You know, back when I was in Christian radio, there was a Christian artist, Rich Mullins, who was killed in a car wreck. And I was supposed to go on the air on the radio that morning and talk about how God called him home.

And this is all part of a great plan. And under the surface, I was thinking, what the hell? This makes no sense. I don't understand what God is trying to accomplish here. It looks like we're just creating the happy ending we need to kind of deal with it. And, and, uh, you know, my best friend came out as gay in the mid 1990s. It traumatized me because I was very anti-gay and I had to actually start to distance myself from those verses in the Bible and, and nine 11 was big. And so I was found myself slowly sort of stair-stepping away from fundamentalism. But when it was in my 30s, I think I finally just got tired of people telling me to fake it till you make it.

Right? I just like, I don't want to just believe, man. I want to know. And I stumbled upon this video by Christopher Hitchens. He was debating a rabbi in New York. I know this one. I don't know anything about Hitchens. Right?

But I figure, well, if anyone can pitch God and win the argument, going to be the good rabbi. I'm not Jewish, but I think the rabbis probably got this one. And at the end of 90 minutes, Christopher Hitchens had whitewashed this man to biblical proportions. And I thought, holy shit, what happens when the guy I'm supposed to oppose is the one who makes the most sense? And that started me down the rabbit hole, man. And at the end of the year, I realized that there was nothing there. I reread the Bible, realized there was nothing there, looked at the other religions, realized there was nothing there. And it was a long, arduous journey. And a lot of it's the consequences, right? Because once you walk away,

what else is going to fall? Who are you going to lose? What are your parents going to say? Will you lose your job if your boss is a believer? All those types of things were going on. So, I wrote about it in my autobiography, Deconverted, if anybody's interested. But I guess the short answer is, is that I just got fed up with being told I'm supposed to take somebody else's word for it. You know? So I have a question about your new book too. So, and it ties in perfectly with the story. So when you watch, have you gone to church since you've been deconverted? I've only been in a church for weddings and funerals.

Have you watched Fox since you've been deconverted? Since you've come out of this mindset? I did before. I mean, I ditched cable. Now I'm one of those cats that I just made up for my huge cable bill by paying a shit ton of money for 15 different streaming services. At the same time. Yeah, that's all of us.

I cut the cord. Now I have 12 different cords. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, I'm not paying 120 bucks a month for tv and then i've got seven or eight different yeah you are uh but i do watch i i watch the the segments that are posted and i try to watch them in their entirety so that i'm not just cherry picking but it's's hard, man. It's hard to watch. Tucker Carlson, I mean, there was a segment, and I write about this in the book,

from a few years ago, where he was railing on his show about the evils of the metric system. Wait, what? He called it the tyranny of the metric system. And I'm like, how desperate are you for a villain? The tyranny of the... First came the centimeters, and they said nothing.

First they came for your yardstick, right? It was unbelievable you know ainsley earhart is part of the fox and friends morning show she's written she hosts a bible study on fox nation uh you've got sean hannity he's co-sponsoring some of those kevin sorbo religious films that are out there the really bad pure flicks. They are Herculean films in how bad they are. Yeah. I think he even guest starred in one of those movies. And there are tons of ties to the evangelical right in this sort of Christian nation narrative, which does what? Essentially, it renders everybody who's not a Christian, a second-class citizen. If you're not a Christian,

everybody who's not a Christian, a second-class citizen. If you're not a Christian, you can't be a good person. You certainly can't be a good American. And I watch it as much as I can stomach to be aware of what they're doing. But honestly, I mean, it doesn't take long before you realize that they're doing what they've been doing since 1996. So Seth, I know people send you messages. I know we get messages from people that did sort of walk away from religion. I mean, I'm sure you receive way more than we do since you're probably a lot more of a transitional show for people who are just sort of starting

to pick up atheism. We're more, you know, if you want to make fun of stuff, come find us. But you're certainly more approachable when someone is still a quasi-believer. So I'm sure you've received a lot of different messages from people. So I think that it's evident that reason does work. I mean, I think it's evident, even in just the few messages that we get, reason does work. And so I hope that we, I hope that people read your book and they don't give up on this sort of, you know, give up on, you know, those people aren't reachable. You know, that's what I hope. Well, I do know this, the shouting is getting us nowhere, right? All the screaming at each other has not produced fruit. If I can be biblical for just a second. It just causes people to double

down. They get into defensive posture. And I really think conversations, we're going to win this battle in the arena of ideas. And there are so many examples of people who hold extreme views, who were talked out of those extreme views. I was speaking the other day about Dia Khan. She's a documentary filmmaker, a Muslim woman. And she decides to kind of try to find out what's going on in the white supremacy movement. So she contacts these skinhead KKK guys and say, look, hey, would you talk to me on camera and manages to get in their living room sitting four feet across from them. And instead of them being like at some protest where everybody's throwing bottles and doubling down and nothing ever gets solved and it usually

gets violent and crazy, she created an incredibly human moment where she was having a conversation. Do you think I'm less than a human being? Do you think I should be evicted from my home? Would you personally kick me out of this country? Why would you do that? And it's amazing because some of these guys who were so used to, I mean, they're ready for the protest on the street. They're not ready for the human moment.

One guy had to stop the interview. He just tilted right there. And by the time the, it's called white, right. It's on Netflix. The documentary is also on YouTube. By the time the thing officially released a couple of the guys, these hardcore hate group, white supremacist guys actually left the group. And I believe at least one of them started a recovery group to help get other people. Wow. And that started not with milkshaking people and throwing rocks and F-bombs and everything. It began by humanizing these issues and having a conversation.

I know it's not popular among some people, but I just think we're going to have to defeat bad ideas with better ideas. I mean, there's a time for a hard stand. I mean, it's, I mean, I'm not saying that we should all sit around and try to be kumbaya with the most toxic people in the world, because Ryan Cragen at the university of Tampa, he's a sociologist. And he was talking about what's the, one of the major contributing factors for people to actually change their mind. And the number one in his research was changing their social circle, right? If everybody around me is a Fox News Christian, that's my normal, that's my world, then I'm never introduced to another idea. And it's only when I meet somebody who's different

than me, who thinks differently, who votes differently, who acts and talks and worships and whatever differently than me, it humanizes them. That's when conversations begin. And so I really do think, you know, we need to be interacting with those we disagree with. And we also need to be showing them a loud, proud example of what the opposition looks like that is not the caricature that they've been taught to fear. You know, I never believed that up until very recently. I never believed that at all until very recently. I used to say all the time, like, no quarter for bigots. Like, my idea was that, you know, if bigots had no place socially and otherwise to go to feel welcome, that they would be forced then into reexamining those ideas, right? If they're friends and their family and their coworkers, if they just kept getting excluded from those spaces, that they would then find themselves in the uncomfortable position

of being forced to reexamine those ideas. And otherwise, they would be marginalized. And so they would lose power. They would lose power in society. And I don't believe that anymore because the internet has changed that, right? Now, people with marginal ideas can just find other people in new spaces to reinforce and echo chamber those ideas. So if I have a terrible set of ideas, I don't have to bring it into the real world. I can live in an entirely insular online space that simply reinforces those ideas.

So you cannot create a no quarter for bigots plan. It just does. It's not, it's not effective. And I think that I've, I've come around to what you were just talking about. Like you, you have to, you have to sort of fight fire with not more fire. You know, it's just, it's not, it's not effective. It doesn't, it doesn't accomplish very much. Well, I don't have a magic bullet. I mean, honestly, in some ways, like for November, I'm really not spending my time trying to convince the MAGA Republicans. Sure. I want to push through them, right? I want goodness and humanism and the constitution and the rule of law and all those. I just figure I want us to just push through them and overwhelm them in terms

of numbers and influence to effect positive change in November. My focus really isn't on them because I'll admit to being discouraged by, it's really a cult. You know, Stephen Hassan has a book called The Cult of Trump and it's very cult-like, this allegiance to the man. For sure. Yeah. So, Seth, tell people where they can find the book. And you said it's coming out on audiobook soon. Yeah, the audiobook will be out any moment.

I thought it'd be out a couple of days ago, but it should be out here by mid-August easily at audible.com. And you can find everything, all the links, including the audiobook when it comes out, just go to my personal website. It's all there on the homepage, Seth Andrews.com. And, you know, I hope you like it and, you know, buy a copy for the Fox news lover in your life. Thanks for coming on, Seth. You bet. Wait a minute. You have to go by where, look, here is the United States. You have to go by the cases. What's called science. We have more cases. Don't we get credit for that? Well, we show more cases. They are dying. That's true. And you have it is what it is. Now it's going down again. And, you know, there are those that say the world is so very

so tom i wanted to talk again about the lincoln project uh they came out with another ad that i want to play it's uh it's about jared kushner and i'm glad here's the thing i'm just glad somebody is talking about jared kushner because like when when he is when he does things in the government, I always think, who hired this guy? Where did he go? How did he even get his job? I don't even get it. So I want to play this clip. This is from the Lincoln Project.

This is their newest ad on Jared Kushner. President Trump gives lots of jobs to his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Insiders whisper he may be even more powerful than Trump, but like his father-in-law, Jared's not up to the task. This pampered princeling has never met a problem he couldn't f*** up. Take the COVID response Trump assigned Jared to handle. 150,000 people dead and an economy in ruins. By July, the country's really rocking again. His task force put Trump cronies first.

And of course, Jared's family cashed in on bailout money. No surprise from the son of a convicted felon and slumlord who served time in prison. Jared's a perfect fit for this White House. But if you've ever wondered whether this president took COVID-19 seriously, look no further than who he put in charge of protecting America's health. Jared Kushner, Trump's secretary of failure. Oh my God, that's amazing. So how do they really feel?

Oh gosh, Tom, it's so good. But one of my favorite parts about it is when it starts out at the very beginning and it's clearly trying to piss Trump off by saying that maybe he's even more powerful. I love it so much. Oh, it's so bitchy. It's so bitchy. I love it.

I can't, I watched it earlier and it's on the heels of an article that came out this week that Jared Kushner, some advisors, high level advisors in Jared Kushner had agreed to sort of not go into trying to fix any coronavirus problems because they figured it was just going to be a blue state problem and they were going to blame those governors and blame those blue states. Yeah, they're going to use a blue state problem and they were going to blame those governors and blame those blue states. Yeah, they were going to use the deaths of American citizens

in a horrifying pandemic as a political ploy to maintain political power. Like that's, that is, you know, if you ever was thinking, man, maybe I'm too cynical these days. Yeah. Hey, you know what? I don't think you are. I don't think it's possible anymore to be too cynical. Now, when it came out earlier, I couldn't believe that they had said it out loud.

The thing that's crazy about it is you just got to say out loud, it's a virus. We have no, it's not like when I leave Illinois, I have to go through a checkpoint to get to Gary, Indiana. I just drive over an interstate. I pay, I pay to, I either pay for the Skyway or I take I-80 and there's nothing to stop me from entering another state. The states have, you have free reign to go literally in any of the states in our nation. And so the idea that somehow the Rona is just going to stop like a fucking mime at the wall, holding its palms, pressing forward, moving its head back and forth, trying to get through the invisible barrier that is the border of Indiana, Illinois, is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And like, what happens to the virus when it gets to a purple

state? Is it allowed in, but like just not all of its friends?, what happens to the virus when it gets to a purple state? Is it allowed in, but like, just not all of its friends? It only goes to the large metro areas. All the rural areas are spared. Yeah, that's how it works. It goes to anywhere that there's a college

and a library. Yeah. That's, oh gosh. Like is, you know, you could ask yourself like, hey,

is there a college you want to attend and a museum? Because if there is, it's probably blue. Like if there's like a museum, like- If there's going to be a lecture somewhere. Yeah, right.

Does somebody have a PhD and is there a painting on the wall that didn't come from Thomas Kinkade? If that's the answer. You know, when I see these ads though, and we talked about the Lincoln Project a couple weeks ago, and some people gave us some guff and said, you know, the Lincoln Project isn't your friend.

And I don't think they're our friend. Don't misunderstand. I treat the Lincoln Project like I treat Riddick and Pitch Black. It's a necessary evil, right? Riddick and Pitch Black, he's going to do all the things I need him to do. He's going to do all the things I need him to do. He's going to do

all the dirty work I need him to do. But I'll tell you this, I need him to fight tombs, to kill tombs on the side. I need him to pull his fucking goggles back and show me the way back to the ship. But as soon as I get the opportunity, just like with the Lincoln Project, I'm going to put him in the fucking airlock and I'm going to shoot him off into space. Don't get me wrong. These aren't my allies. These aren't people I want at the table, but they will go low enough in really big ways. They go really low against Trump. And that's the thing is you can pull yourself away from it as in politics and say, wow, that Lincoln Project, they're really giving it to Trump, but they're not part of your party. It's kind of a huge gift.

Yeah. It's an enemy of my enemy moment. Exactly. That's all it is. You look at him, you're like, it's like you're fighting alongside and you look over,

you're like, all right, Russia. Yeah. You can help us beat Germany, but when this is over, we are not like, no, we have some things to talk about when this

is all over. But let's kick Germany's ass first. Like, it really is. Exactly. It's an enemy of my enemy moment. Like, yeah, I don't support a lot of the Lincoln Project's ideals, but like their big ideal right now, which is getting rid of Trump. I couldn't support anything more than that right now.

I have never cared about an election more and cared less about the person I want to win. Yeah. I don't care at all about Biden at all. I don't care about him. I don't like, I spend none of my efforts thinking about like, gee, what's he up to these days? Let's, let's really talk about Biden's platform. I don't give a fuck. I'm just going to say, I don't give a fuck. Like, is he not Trump? Yeah. All right. Good enough for me. I would vote for a toothbrush that needed to be replaced. I would vote for a dead lithium ion battery that won't even take a charge anymore. It's just at this point, at this point, though, I definitely feel like, you know, attack ads work. Attack ads definitely work.

And I think the more that they make him, and they definitely make him angry, right? They definitely make Trump angry. He's the thinnest skin motherfucker on the planet. He has super thin skin. And this week was the first attack ad I saw about Trump. And it's in reference to, this is from the Biden camp, and it was in reference. And I'm sure there's been others, but I haven't seen them yet, right? So this is the first one I saw. So I'm qualifying with, it passed over my eyes. I'm not saying they don't exist, but I am saying this first one I saw. And it was about the interview this week with Axios, which we will be talking about on the live stream later on tonight. And if you missed the live stream, you could go check it out. We're doing a review of with Axios, which we will be talking about on the live stream later on tonight. And if you missed, uh, if you missed the live stream, you could go check it out. We're

doing a review of the Axios interview that aired on HBO, uh, with, uh, with Trump. And it's a full time. And I watched the full 45 minutes. We're going to watch selected clips of it tonight. But, uh, but really, uh, the, the, the ad is based around one sentence that he says, which you knew was a huge gaffe when he said it in the interview, which is he's talking about 150 deaths and Trump says it is what it is. And it's based around Trump

trying to get out of the blame for it. But he says it is what it is and they take that and they run with it. And it's perfect in that sense because you couldn't imagine another leader saying that out loud. And so I think that it's, it's these attack ads that are coming out now. It's, you know, maybe I might not have been so great about them 10 or 15 years ago, but at this point I'm just thinking anything that will change anyone's mind to not vote for this guy or even just stay home if you were going to vote for him is better for me.

Look, if you're leaning right, I don't need you to lean left. I just need you to lean home. Just stay home. That's good enough for me. Just stay home. Don't come out and play. Vote for Jill Stein. I don't give a shit. Alright, the reason why the cornerbite started

is because of the pussy ass Batman. Why? Because he's a bitch. They fought one-on-one. Joker beat up a Batman impersonator. You don't know about that? No. Would you fight any Batman impersonator? Yeah.

Or any Robin impersonator. You don't like Robin? No. I'd kill him. So, holy shit, Cecil. I know there's a lot of podcasts in the world that have a Florida Man segment, and I actually try to avoid I know like there's a lot of podcasts in the world that have like a Florida man segment. And I actually try to avoid that shit

because like it's a little repetitive. But every once in a while, you watch a video and you think, holy fuck, now we've got zombies. Yeah. Now we have zombies attacking us. 2020 has come around. All right, so here it is.

I'm sure a lot of people have seen this video it's from click orlando but you can find it fucking anywhere man beats on windshield of moving semi on florida's turnpike for miles so this dude jumped over like one of the like retaining wall things and like ran out toward traffic and this trucker slows down because this guy's like fucking half naked and he's's like, hey, what's going on? And the dude like jumps onto the man's truck and has some kind of an implement and is bashing at the man's windshield. Smashes his window. Yeah.

So the trucker's like, what the fuck? I was trying to help. And so he hits the gas. And then this guy is clinging to the front of the truck for nine miles. Nine miles. And the trucker is shaking and like wiggling and like trying to throw this dude off. Yeah. The trucker is not doing this passively, right?

He's not just driving down the road and once in a while, like lifting his cup of coffee and tipping it at the guy in front of his window. He's actively trying to shake this guy off his car like an action movie. Yeah, seriously, it's like from Matrix 2, you know? Like if he had jumped onto the truck and the truck had crumpled somehow

beneath his weight. It was amazing. I mean, it is the craziest shit. It seriously looks like fast zombies attacking a truck. There's so many things that happen day to day. This last week, I'm sure everyone in the world saw this explosion in Beirut. Holy shit.

That was an insane, insane explosion and the amount of people who died. And it was just an absolute tragedy. And it was funny because when I first saw the news reports of it, they were flowing through my feed, whatever feed I was looking at. And I just saw this little tiny bit of,

of smoke coming up because it was the beginning of the video and I didn't realize it, right? So they keep showing the beginning of the video and it's just a little bit of smoke. And I think, well, it doesn't look that big. And so I scrolled past it. I didn't pay a lot of attention.

But it seriously is like the explosion in Akira. It's like a fucking nuclear weapon almost. It looks like it, you know, because it was 3,000 tons or something of- Ammonium nitrate. Ammonium nitrate. And so it's just a fertilizer. It's what they blew the federal building

in Oklahoma up with. And so, you know, it's that kind of stuff and it just explodes and just detonated the whole area. But, you know, it's, it's that kind of stuff and it just explodes and, and just detonated the whole area. But, you know, little stuff like this happens during the week. And I just keep, keep wondering, is it always this crazy or is it just this year? And I feel like what happened is, is we're in a sim and someone just last year decided, you know what I want to do? I want to, I want to play on hard mode. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to restart it and I'm going to put everything on hard mode.

We're going to get a virus in here. We're going to have random explosions. We're going to have dudes who jump on top of trucks and beat them up. We're going to just have it all. Is there anyone who can just do it all? I moved all the sliders up one too many. Just a little too much. Just a little too much. Yeah. That explosion

was insane, man. Bigger than any conventional non-nuclear weapon that I was reading. It's larger than the MOAB. You know, it's significantly, like it's like massively larger. They said it was the largest non-nuclear explosion in recent history.

Yeah. Just a massive, massive. All you have to do is watch the video and it's so intense. It's crazy. It's so intense. They said it was the largest non-nuclear explosion in recent history. Yeah. Just a massive, massive. All you have to do is watch the video and it's so intense. It's crazy. It's so intense. People are miles away getting knocked down. That's what it is. I mean, it's insane, the damage and stuff that they do.

And then to see the videos that are coming out afterwards, because so many different people were filming from so many different angles. And then also people were doing other things. There's a really interesting video of high quality of this woman who's getting her wedding pictures taken. And it's a video of her getting her wedding pictures taken on a gimbal. The person clearly has like a gimbal that they're doing this really pretty video, beautiful woman in this gorgeous dress. And then you see everything shake and this gimbal runs away to sort of see what's going on and comes back. And the bride and the groom are just running away, just exploded all the windows nearby. The pressure wave just

exploded everything. It's just a, it was such an intense explosion. And I, from what I was reading, that country was already reeling because of coronavirus in a huge way. And so they're in a big, big, big bunch of problems now, especially with this destruction, because it blew up one of, I think, one of their only ports, if not their only port. So it's just, it's a mess. Well, did you hear, like, Trump almost immediately was, like, talking about it as an attack? There's no evidence at all that this is an attack of any kind. talking about it as an attack. There's no evidence at all that this is an attack of any kind.

From everything I've read, it sounds like a Russian ship was confiscated like 10 plus years ago and has sat in a port and the Lebanese officials were like, oh, it's super dangerous to have 2,700 tons of ammonium nitrate

sitting on a shitty boat. They sent letters multiple times to try to get it out of there. And yeah, it was in a warehouse and they couldn't, they could never move it. And then. And it just, but like Trump, of course, immediately is just inventing facts.

Yeah. Like that's the president we have. Like he's a guy who just jumps to a fucking conclusion and begins inventing facts. And immediately it's important because like, what does that tell you about his mindset? An explosion in the Middle East? That's an attack. Yep. Yep. Right. It's never an accident. It's always because like, what does that tell you about his mindset? An explosion in the Middle East? That's an attack.

Yep. Yep. Right. It's never an accident. It's always an attack. That's a guy who does not think first and verify first before acting on his impulses. Christopher Reeve, who was once paralyzed, claims that he can now stand. Thank you, everyone.

To most people, this is just an ordinary fetus. But to people like me, it's hope. What an inspiration. Tom, many celebrities have spoken out in protest of stem cell research, but after seeing this, how can they protest now? So this story is not something I thought I would read in my life. This is something from HuffPost. Roasted fetuses in luggage. You heard that right. Chow Hak-ken intended gold- fetus, gold leaf corpses for ritual,

says cops. Gold leaf? Yeah. Like this is gold bronzing of roasted fetuses. Well, I didn't realize that. I thought you must really have to be a high level donor to Planned Parenthood to get those. Like I feel like,

I feel like the ones they send me are not gold-leafed, you know? And that's upsetting to me. This is actually like the Planned Parenthood Lucky Rabbit's foot. It's on your keychain. Just walk around with it. Rub it once in a while to not get pregnant. Today, right? Oh, man.

It's like you and your significant other look over and look at the fucking... She's got him as earrings. She's got him as earrings. Every once in a while when she gets pregnant, you just pray to it so it aborts the penis without having to go in. Oh, man.

You're going to have to get pregnant and abort that thing so we can get a matching set. You want the earrings, necklace. You want to get the whole thing hang on so this is this is um this is fucking weird man so this is very much what it sounds like yeah it is it's weird that's admitted roasted fetal corpses uh six of them as a matter of fact found in some guy's luggage. The bodies belong to fetuses between two and seven months old. Seven

months? Wow. That's a lot of gold. At the cost of gold these days? Then they roast them. What? Because you want a nice They gotta get a nutty flavor on them. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, for sure. I don't need to braise them.

They're kind of a bitch to clean, to be honest. Not a lot of meat on the bones yet. It's hardly even worth the effort, but crispy. What is happening, Tom? Yeah, this is a place. This is part of a black magic ritual called Cumin Thong. And I

thought like, that's the least sexy thong ever. Like a roasted fetus thong. It really is. Well, cumin one too. Sorry. So it means golden child and tie the preserved bodies are thought to bring good fortune to the owner. Golden child. That's an Eddie Murphy movie. I want the knife. Yeah, I remember that movie. That was a great movie. I love it because it is very much like Lucky Rabbit's foot. It's supposed to bring good luck.

Not to him, though. I mean, he had a bunch and he got arrested. What the fuck? That's a terrible Lucky charm. It is very much like a Lucky Rabbit's foot. Do you remember when do you remember when they sold lucky rabbit's feet in like the quarter machines when we were kids? I do. Yeah. Yeah.

And I don't think they were real rabbit's feet. But like, I remember I wanted one because I told my dad they were good luck. I was little and stupid. And my dad's like, well, I wasn't that lucky for the rabbit. You know, that was his joke. But it's like. It's true. It is.

It's true. It's true. It is. It's true. The rabbit's looking at you like, you cut it off. All my luck is leaking out now. Great. I'm a three-legged rabbit. Now I look like a dick. Now I just look like a dick. And it's so fast, it just goes in circles.

Just keeps on running in circles after that. How's he going to bend Fudd's gun up without the other foot? Exactly. Yeah. That's just so fucking bizarre. They sell for $200,000 in time money or $6,376 in regular.

I was going to say, God. So I guess you can get a roasted golden fetus for about half of a used Honda Civic, it turns out. What a weird story, man.

It's so bizarre. How weird is that? There's got to be a moment in your life, Cecil, where you're the guy roasting fetuses. You're like, man, I got to get a new job. You're the line cook at Planned Parenthood and you're just shaking your head. I don't want to do this anymore.

Why am I doing this? They always want these things well done. Fucking Neanderthals out there. Medium rare fetus is where it's at. It's tender. You're letting all the juices, all the juices. Don't squish it.

Don't squish it. Come on. Stay the fuck at home. Stay the fuck at home stay the fuck at home don't you be a fucking dick please stay the fuck at home stay the fuck at home sister it comes from reuters uh cuban don's full body cardboard shield against coronavirus the video is the best thing ever this guy is wearing just boxes. He's got like a box fort from when you were a kid. Like, remember like when you were a kid, you get like a bunch of boxes.

Like somebody would like throw out like a big appliance box. And you're like, oh yeah. And this dude is just walking around in a giant car. It's a woman actually walking around in a giant cardboard box. To protect herself from the virus. So the box, I got to describe it. So the box has, it's a box that's just a normal regular box, but it has a big slit in the front and then arm holes at the side. So it looks like an old timey 1950s robot. But then my favorite part of the article is at the end, it says on top, she glued cake boxes to make it look more like a house with a roof than a flat top department.

Well, that is, it goes with their slogan on the box because Cuba's coronavirus slogan is stay at home. And so her slogan on the box is I am at home. What about you? What about you? It's a mobile home. It's so funny looking. What I love too is the creativeness. Sometimes there's some really funny stories out there about the creativeness that people are doing. I saw a video this week that just made me die laughing. And it was a guy, he's an online professor or something, and I'm not sure exactly who he is, but someone had, one of his students, I guess, or something had made a mask of his face, the lower part of his face.

And so he bought one on Etsy or whatever. Oh, that's amazing. And he put it on his face and the whole time he's crying, laughing, looking at himself because it's like 20% bigger than the rest of his face. And so he looks a lot of proportion and weird and hilarious. And so he can't even form a sentence with this mask on because he keeps seeing himself

in the recording and he's dying laughing. And I think there's some really funny moments that are coming out of this. And this is one of those moments, one of those hilarious moments where someone's creative and funny about it. And like, I mean, it does look like this person is taking like real precautions. Like it's not like total bullshit. Like, and there's, they're saying like, it's also a nod to the lack of PPE,

you know? So like when people don't have access to like actual personal protection equipment, like they have to improvise and like, if you got to improvise, people got to shop, like they got to get food. You got to go out.

Yeah. Fuck me in the ass. Cause I love Jesus. The good Lord would want it that way. Give me that sweet sensation of a throbbing rationalization. It's just between you and me. Cause everyone knows it's the sex that God can't see. This feels like one.

You just got to read, Tom. I think so. Brazilian mayor suggests COVID-19 treatment using rectal ozone application. Okay. And if you like rectal ozone, you can go to adamandeve.com.

Type in Gloria Chekhov. You'll get 50% off almost any item and free shipping. Gloria Chekhov. So the mayor of the Brazilian city of nope, not going to pronounce it. Yeah, don't try that. So the mayor of the Brazilian city of, nope, not going to pronounce it. Yeah, don't try that. Some guy said Monday, the city would offer rectal ozone

therapy for patients with COVID-19. Caliente. How long has this guy been waiting to be like, finally, I have been wanting to do this for so long. He's standing outside of his rectal ozone therapy place with giant scissors and a ribbon. He's just ready to cut. He's like outside of his rectal ozone therapy place with giant scissors and a ribbon. He's just ready to cut. He's like, here we go. My wife's not into this, but I can find somebody who's going to be a taker. The city already provides

iveramestatin and camphor as preventative options. I'm sure I mispronounced it. I'm sorry. Also, the antibiotic azithromycin is offered as a treatment for infected patients. According to the mayor, who's also a doctor, ozone should be applied to the anus of symptomatic patients of COVID-19 a few minutes a day in different sessions.

What do you mean in different sessions? How's it applied? What, do they use a paintbrush? Like, what's happening there? Okay, so this is a little unconventional. What I'm going to do is I'm going to put the ozone on my dick. Yeah. And then, I know it seems like i'm fucking you in the ass i know that's what it seems like i'm suggesting is that i'm gonna fuck your ass but what i'm this is an ozone apple i'm

a doctor god damn it why are you looking at me like that i'm a doctor i'm wearing a mask while i do it second option i can put it on your ass and eat your ass which would you prefer i could spread it on there like peanut butter I could spread it on there like peanut butter. I could spread it on there like peanut butter and then just eat it. Well, I got to press it in somehow. Right. It's not just going to go in on its own.

Do you even know medicine? Who is the doctor here? And who's the one who needs ozone up their asshole? Clearly. Why does my asshole smell like a fucking toy train engine? What's going on? I've heard it's like sunshine up your ass, but never

ozone up your ass. What do you do to combat it? Do you just spray old-timey cleansers up in there or release some Freon up your ass to get rid of it to counteract it? How do you counteract the ozone in your ass, I wonder? Can there be global warming up your ass to get rid of it, to counteract it? How do you counteract the ozone in your ass, I wonder? Can there be global warming in your ass?

I mean, I wonder how this works. Okay, so first we got to kind of rub around the area for a little while. That's to get the ozone layer prepped. Then the hole in the ozone layer will expand as it gets more comfortable. We love the hole in the ozone layer. That's my favorite part. It is a simple, quick application of two to three minutes a day. It will probably be a rectal application, which is a very, very fast, very fast. I don't need a lot of time. I don't need a lot of your time. With a thin catheter. Well, hey, thin is relative.

It's thin in comparison to other things. It's thick in comparison to other things. You know, if that's your direction of choice, maybe thin is a good thing in this circumstance, right? Yeah, who the hell wants a bulldozer-sized catheter? Nobody wants that. It helps very much in the positive cases of coronavirus. The best line is the last line.

The treatment has no proven effectiveness against the new coronavirus. Dude is just like, no, man, I got to try this. I got a plan. All right. Here's the thing. You're sick For no other reason I'm gonna need to play with your asshole for a little while Alright, so you should have

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where people are saying they hate Patreon, they want to leave. Is there any other way that you can support the show? Yes, on our website, you can support the show with PayPal. We have a PayPal donate button, but I do want to warn you, we only post our website, you can support the show with PayPal. We have a PayPal donate button, but I do want to warn you, we only post our content, our extra content to Patreon. And the reason why we do that is because the amount of bookkeeping that it would take to follow everybody who

donates and make a decision on how that works and, oh, this person donated, so they get something, and then they stopped donating, so they didn't. All that stuff, all that bookkeeping is handled by Patreon, and that's how we can't, we just don't have the resources to do it anywhere else. Patreon makes it easy for us to allow other listeners to have access to content that they donated for. And so that's why we use Patreon, so that you guys get something out of the deal.

If you don't like Patreon, I don't know what to tell you because we only have one place that our stuff is. So I'm sorry that we can't accommodate, but it's really an accounting issue. It's really just genuinely a work issue when we don't have enough energy or time to put into individually sending things out to people. We got a message from, this is from Steve, and Steve let us know that he wanted to shit on our joke a little, Tom. We were talking last week about

30 liters of- Shitty Steve with your facts. 30 liters of jizz, horse jizz. And he said, I just want to let you know that I think that the container was liquid nitrogen 30 liter container, not that it contained 30 liters of horse jizz. I like to think it contains 30 liters of blended horse jizz, but that's up to you.

It's up to you. Well, we did get another email from somebody who let us know that the amount of ejaculate from a horse ranges. And like the high end range was something like a half a liter. That is a lot of jizz, bro. Holy shit. That's like a whole bukkake party. Dude, that is a wet spot that is like no one's sleeping

there. Like that's like you boil your sheep. Your champagne glass overfloweth. That's what that's all your, your, you boil your champagne glass overflow with that's what that's all I'm saying. Overflow. That is foul. Half a liter. Jesus. Do you do it on ice or what do you do? Uh, the next question we got, this is from Alexa. And Alexa asks, if allowed to use only one utensil for all future meals, would you select the fork or the spoon? Tom, go.

I got to go fork, man. Yeah, I'm with you. I got to go fork. Yeah, my wife and I got into it on this a little bit. Like it's fork for me. She's like, how are you going to eat cereal and soup? I was like, I don't eat cereal. No, if I have a bowl, I can eat it.

I'll just hold it up to my mouth and drink it. I'll be okay. The bowl facilitates automatically sloppily, don't get me wrong, sloppily and disgustingly facilitates drinking all or

scooping whatever it is that's semi-solid into your mouth. The fork is necessary because what are you going to do with a steak? I thought a steak was my example too. Like you're going to hold the steak down, like press it down with your spoon and saw it into spoon chunks. Eat a turkey drumstick with a spoon. Show me how that's done, right?

So I was like, if I'm eating something out of a bowl, I can eat that in the dark in the shame. That's how cereal is meant to be eaten. Exactly. I was thinking the other day when I was eating cherries, I was thinking, you know, if you haven't stood over the garbage can with a handful

of cherries in your hand, spitting the pits into the garbage can, you're a liar because I know you've done it. handful of cherries in your hand, spitting the pits into the garbage can. You're a liar because I know you've done it. I know you've done it. Everybody has stood over the garbage can with a, either a bag or a handful of cherries. You eat one,

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I don't quite have the skills for the last one, but bravo. Got a message. Someone said in an image of a cow spunk fan posted on this thing. Okay, that's real. I don't know. I don't know if I want to post it in the show notes

because it has a license plate on it. So I won't post it, but they did post, they did send us a message with a cow spunk fan. And it has like in the logo, it has a little swimming. It does. All right. Got a message from, this is from Macy. Macy, let us know that Amazon Smile has several different charities, Trevor Project, Camp Quest, ACLU, WYO AIDS is in there, Good Thinking Society. It gets better and modest needs. Uh,

so if you have to buy from the ultra evil conglomerate that is Amazon, go to Amazon smile and use Amazon smile. And that might help you, uh, alleviate, um, you know, you sitting up all night, hugging your knees cause you had to give Jeff Bezos money. We got a message from Elvis. And Elvis says, doesn't anybody know how mail-in ballots work? Like this, every ballot is received and matched up with a voter registration card, which is updated to indicate Joe Schmo voted

in the November 2020 election. No significant difference from what they do in person. That's exactly right. There's no difference. And did you see in this Jonathan Swan? I mean, what is hard about this? A dog got a fucking ballot. Did you hear that shit?

Yeah. What do you mean? It's just not true. There's never anything to verify any of that shit. And like Jonathan Swan pushes back pretty hard. He's like, no, they're not. They're not sending out ballots. They're sending out applications.

You have to apply. They're not sending out ballots. I just applied and was approved They're not sending out ballots. They're sending out applications. You have to apply. Stop lying. I just applied and was approved for voting in Illinois. And I would, to be honest, part of me doesn't even need to do it. I'm only doing it to piss Trump off.

I'm doing it to make him, I want him to be mad that there's going to be X amount of vote by mail stuff in Illinois. I'm happy that he'll be upset by that. I'm happy that that will tweak him just a little. Just tweak his nipple a little. Just...

We got a bunch of different messages about whether the stinky jizz tree, what it is. Someone says it's ginkgo. Another couple people say it's linden trees. They also sent a Mitchell and web sketch that we will post on this week's show notes. Evidently, there's a bunch of different

trees that smell like jizz. When you go out, just make sure every time you get near a tree, just get on your knees. That's all you need to do. There's also a pear tree that smells like this. They all smell like jizz, I guess. It's all five calories.

Someone asked us about the bumper music we play at the end. They asked, and specifically the one that happens right before we go to the email section. That is from a garage band. That came from a garage band. That came from garage band. That's something I got when we were doing Everyone's a Critic years ago.

I had no idea what I was doing. I just found a thing that sounded like, hey, we should transition now. And so that's what it is. Actually, there was a FAQ page, and I don't know if it's available on our site anywhere. Maybe go to dissonancepod.com slash FAQ and see if that works. But there was

an FAQ that listed a ton of stuff, and that was specifically in there. All those different bumpers that I use were actually linked. All right, so that's going to wrap it up. We want to thank Seth Andrews for joining us. You can check out his new book in the show notes. We'll put links to buying his book on, hopefully if it's out on Audible, if not on Amazon and other places.

It's Confessions of a Fox News Christian. We hope that you enjoy it. We hope that you buy it. Seth's a friend of the show, so check his book out. I'm sure it's riveting and a great read, but you can check his show out too, The Thinking Atheist, and you can check out all his stuff at sethandrews.com. All that stuff will be in

the show notes this week, but we want to thank Seth for joining us. Great guy and a great guest every time. And that is going to wrap it up for this week. Be sure to check out our live streams, 9 p.m. Central. A lot of people are showing up and we're having a great time, so check them out.

We'll be there next week, 9 p.m. Central, so come hang out with us. But that's going to wrap it up for this week. We're going to leave you like we always do with the Skeptic's Creed. Credulity is not a virtue. It's fortune cookie cutter, mommy issueno babylon bullshit couched in scientician double bubble toil and trouble pseudo quasi alternative acupunctuating pressurized stereogram pyramidal free energy

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