Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 560: Post Coup-itus

Episode Date: January 18, 2021

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such a good show yesterday it was the funniest show we ever recorded so good it was amazing that fish was that fish was

at least 35 pounds this is but it got away yeah it got away it super got away it's the one that got away this is, it got away. It super got away. It's the one that got away. This is effort number two.

And so far it's going poorly. Effort number two. But this isn't... So it's effort number two on episode 560. So it's like 560B. So the B-sides and rarities is what this is. Well, the other show was so good, guys. I mean, really so good, but it just,

we recorded it all the way to the end just for you and then found out it didn't record. Didn't do the recording part. Yeah. This is, yeah.

I mean, it did record, but only half of it, half of it recorded. And, and today we don't have, I don't have stable internet in my house.

Yeah. So here we go, buddy. Here we go. Yeah. We're doing good stuff today. This is Cognitive Dissonance. Every episode, and sometimes twice, we bring critical thinking,

skepticism, and irreverence to any topic that makes the news makes it big or makes us mad. It's skeptical. It sure as hell is political. Oh my God. And there is no welcome at this is as cecil

mentioned episode 560 of cognitive distance and this is this is the uh what is this the post coup uh post insurrection episode it's post it's post-co-itis. I'll tell you what, the afterglow from that, not so good. Yeah, it's not. Not so good. Although the afterglow from impeachment, that's like a red X. It's really nice. It's got a nice sheen to it, you know? What a fucking week.

The world has gotten so crazy. We recorded our last show, as we always do, on Thursday in the evening. The coup happened that day. I think both of us have- The day before. It was Wednesday. Oh, was it Wednesday that the coup happened? Okay.

Yeah. I think it was Wednesday the 6th, right? It was the 6th. Does that make sense? Yeah. It was the 6th. Yeah. So it was Wednesday the 6th.

So it happened the day before. Right. Right. And what is just so crazy, though, is that within a matter of days, whatever we say is outdated. So when the coup originally, when the insurrection videos

and everything kind of happened, Cecil and I recorded a show, and we both very much were like, God, these fucking chuckleheads broke their ass into the Capitol and didn't know what to do. And holy shit, the videos that have come out in the intervening week really kind of play havoc on that commentary, doesn't it?

It really does. And you know, one of the things that we were doing was we had this idea that they were sort of wandering around like the zombies in the mall in Taunted Dead, not really knowing what to do, just walking back and forth. We didn't really think that they were there to do some serious damage. We thought that they just broke in and they were surprised as everyone else that they had broken in. It's like when the dog finally catches the car and doesn't know what to do with it. Just standing there with a car in its mouth. And then the car starts to go away

and the dog is flailing off the back. That's what it felt like. But this time around, this time around this week, we started finding out more and more and more as things become uncovered. We got a chance to see the guy who's sort of jumping through the house with the zip tie handcuffs

that was clearly there to capture people and hold people hostage. They had planned to, according to the FBI now and other sources, they're saying that they would plan to murder some people as well as capture people. So they had plans to really do some nefarious shit. And last week, we didn't even know that at that point. Up to that point, all we had seen was the sort of incompetence of the Capitol police. And now we're sort of seeing all this other stuff come to light as time goes on. And that's what happens when news cycles move so quickly. You miss it just by a day. Yeah, well, I think the important thing is to double down, Cecil,

on our prior commentary rather than look at new information and adjust our worldview. I think that's the, you know what we do, Cecil? We call that being consistent. If you're- Yeah, that's consistency.

You're consistently wrong when you do that, but it's still consistency. I'm not a flip-flopper, Tom. You're a fucking A, man. This last week has been an absolute, and then they impeached Trump. They impeached Trump. They impeached Trump in a day. They got that shit done. That was for recording on Friday this time because, well, it's a do-over episode. But yeah, they got that shit done on Wednesday. They introduced the articles. They had a fucking yay or nay vote. And 10 Republicans, and I was dismayed at how few, that's in the House, 10 Republicans voted to impeach.

But Trump now has the dubious distinction of being the only president to have been impeached twice. And imagine how fucked up shit has to get for them to impeach your ass a week before you're out anyway. Man, when you're, when you fucking give your two week notice and your boss is still like, fuck it, you're fired.

Yeah, you can't, you know, just clean out your desk today. No. And actually you got 10 minutes. We're not. Fuck it, I'll mail you your shit. Get out.

The people that were opposing the impeachment, Jim Jordan was one of them, who basically said that, you know, he did this thing where he kind of conflated the Russia investigation

and the Ukraine impeachment. He sort of conflated the two when he talked and he had said something like, well, all that didn't reach anything and they want to do it again, essentially. We didn't find anything out in any of those other investigations and now they want to do it again.

And I'm thinking, you sat in there and you know there were indictments. You know there were indictments in those investigations and yet you still want to run this narrative by the American people somehow that there was nothing found in those investigations. That's outer bullshit. But this whole thing, when you hear these people talk, the reason why is something we talked about a couple of weeks. The reason why they're coming out against impeachment in this case, and the reason why a couple of weeks, the reason why they're coming out for against impeachment in this case and the reason why they,

a couple of days ago before this happened during, well, because they were certifying the election during the riots, the reason why they were all trying to stop the certification is because they do not like the way, the way the democratic landscape of this country with ability to vote and access to vote is

unfolding in front of them. They do not like that. They don't want to see it. And I was listening to the daily today of a Republican congressman who was basically bemoaning the same thing. He's one who did vote for impeachment, but he's basically saying that, well, when they were saying there was massive voter fraud, when they were saying there was massive voter fraud, what they were really referring to was how these states changed their constitutions and those constitutions allowed for mail-in voting when that wasn't available to them before. And then since they changed it for the pandemic, and that's what they're rallying against. And Michael Balbaro, the host of the podcast is essentially pushing back and saying, look,

that's fine. But when you say there's massive voter fraud and then you don't clarify that point, you are essentially agreeing with what the president said, which is all baseless bullshit. And it's not fraud to say you change your laws and I don't like it. So therefore it's fraud. If you say to somebody, hey, you know, you change this law and I don't think the law that you changed accomplishes the same goals that I want to accomplish. And we should revisit either A, the validity of those changes, whether in fact you had the authority to make those changes or whether those changes are in the best interest of the country. That's a conversation, not fraud. Fraud is an intentional criminal misdo. You know, like that's a wildly different thing. None of this is, none of this comes from a place of honesty. Your, your point that you made before about, you know, they, they

go back to the Russia thing. They're right. Even though the Russia thing had nothing to fucking do with the impeachment, right? That's intentional. They know the difference. They, Jim Jordan knows the fucking difference between Russia and the Ukraine even if russia seems confused about the difference between russia and the ukraine yeah they still use it as a po box that's for sure look i the schools are better in the ukraine i'm just going to use it as my mailing and i am just here to pick up package i just pick package i'm having my amazon delivery sent here what it's prime day I heard a lot. Fucking, are you serious?

But they know the fucking difference. None of this is accidental. They do. Like these guys are, this is their full-time fucking job, guys. It's not like you and I where we have a job and we've got families

and we've got hobbies and we've got fucking other things. This is their job is to know this. It's their only fucking job. Think about how well you know your job. Think about how well you know your job. That's how well they know that Russia and the Ukraine aren't the same thing. So when they confuse those things, never for a second, allow yourself to believe that that is anything other than an intentional effort to publicly mislead you. That is purposeful.

That's absolutely purposeful. When they have these bullshit conversations where they talk about, and I've listened to that same daily, man, and it was so fucking infuriating because that guy is trying to hedge so fucking hard. When you're listening to him, he's trying to hedge. He's a freshman congressperson. He's a Republican. And I think this guy has some integrity, but he still recognizes the difficulty that he's in being a part of a failing fucking movement, which is the GOP. When they frame shit in terms of election integrity, that means that there is a lack of integrity around the election, right? That would lead you by the name. It leads you to the idea that, man, our elections are insecure. They are not, there is not integrity to this process. But then when you dig into it, because they have no facts to back any of that up, they retreat into an entirely different issue.

Don't let them mislead. It's an entirely different issue to say, well, you know, when the state legislatures made these fundamental shifts to what they would count as a vote or how voting would be allowed, we don't think that they should have done that. That's not the same thing as fraud. That's not the same thing as election integrity. That's, we wish you didn't do that. You did it anyway. Can we get that changed? But it was fucking legal because the legislature of the state did it. And every court recognized that every single court recognized it. They just don't like it. And they are, they're going to probably try really hard to roll a lot of that

shit back, but that has nothing to do with fraud. And it never, ever did. And they're not confused. They are not confused by it. They are trying to confuse the public. Absolutely. And it is working, and it worked so hard that 8,000 people showed up at the Capitol laboring under the delusion. And that's all that it is, which was absolutely fostered. They were laboring under the delusion that was fostered by lawmakers, not just Trump. Yeah, no, absolutely. But by many, many, many lawmakers.

You're absolutely right. And when you do, when you basically go out onto the stage in all these different places where they're going out and saying, you know, we need to take this country back. And when you back things like stop the steal, you are sending a message that says,

I agree with what Trump is saying, whether or not you agree with it or not. You signed on. When you take the stage with somebody who is saying those types of things and who is claiming, you know, if you take the stage with Rudy Giuliani and you guys are both saying stop the steal, you can't expect the audience to somehow parse that your stop the steal is different than Rudy Giuliani's stop the steal. That is absurd. They're using the same rhetoric.

They're using the same stop the steal language. They're talking about election integrity, which is a bullshit phrasing. They're talking about and using words like fraud, when what they really mean is, we don't want all these people of color to vote. That's what you really mean. That's it. We don't want poor people to vote and we don't want people of color to vote and we don't want people to, if we ask everybody in a democracy, who do you want

to be in charge? We'll never win. What we want to ask, this is what the Republicans are saying, by reducing the voter pool, they are saying, we want to ask only the is what the Republicans are saying, by reducing the voter pool, they are saying, we want to ask only the right people, in this case, white people, who they want to be in charge. Having a vote that is a single day during bankers hours and not allowing people who can, if they can't get to the voting booth to vote early in some cases, or at least vote by mail because it's so much more convenient just to do that on a free time

during any of your time, just to freely just go in and vote and then send it back. It's so fucking easy. The reason why they do that is because they want to make sure that people who can get out of work can. If you're a dishwasher and you work from, you know, a dawn till dusk, you don't have an opportunity to vote. You know, polls close at eight. Maybe you don't get out. Maybe you got

to pick your kids up from school. Maybe you're busy. Maybe all those things happen, you know, because we don't fucking, we don't pay attention to voting day as if it's some sort of grand holiday. It's not at all. Everybody's got to go to work that day. And so the fact is, is that they, they literally want to try to, to close that window as tight as they can, because they know that their people will make time because they can, and they have the privilege to, they know for sure that the other people will not be able to make time. They'll be stuck at work. You know, they won't be. And if it's raining, they won't be able to walk to the polls. They probably don't have a car. All those things disenfranchise

poor voters. If you just allowed it to have a self-addressed stamp envelope sent to everybody and they were able to vote, you would change the demographics of this country in the sense that you would change the political demographics all over this country because those people would have an opportunity to vote.

It's just numbers. And we've seen it. It's visible. It was evident this year. And this year there still wasn't as much mail-in voting as there should be or could be. The Republicans have claimed from day one that this would result in fraud, but they've never one time ever shown any fraud associated with it because that was never the issue. The issue is, and has always been the same. It's the same reason that they're like, oh, we got to make sure that there's, you know, all these different variants of a poll tax, right? So anything that makes it, anything that is a barrier, which creates a monetary barrier toward voting is in effect a poll tax. And they're, oh, well, we got to verify ID.

We want all these ID laws and shit. Well, IDs aren't fucking free. First of all, there's no national ID system in this country. Every state has their own ID. If I want to go get a state ID in the state of Illinois, I think it's $10 or $20.

You got to pay for it. But I also have to go to the fucking DMV during their business hours, right? You have to, yeah, you got to pay for it. But I also have to go to the fucking DMV during their business hours, right? You have to, you have to, yeah, you got to pay for that somehow with your time. So I've got to pay for it with cash and I got to pay for it with time. You're creating barriers. And we've seen in every single thing that's ever been stated, the more barriers you create, the less people are willing to knock down those barriers. We should be, if we really want a democracy, we should be knocking barriers down. We should be, if we really want a democracy,

we should be knocking barriers down. We should say, hey, a democracy means we ask the people, who do you want to be in charge? So what's the best way to ask all of the people? The thing is, they never wanted to ask all the people. The framers of the constitution didn't want to ask all the people. This country has never wanted to ask all the people this is actually very historically consistent the problem is or the problem

originalist yeah right it is the thing is that we're just getting to a point where we're getting closer to what a functional democracy would demand of its government which is to take into account the actual will of the majority of the people. That necessarily destroys the political hegemony of the white middle and upper class. That's what that does. And they're terrified. And that is exactly who MAGA is. Look at MAGA. That's those guys. That's what they're afraid of. They're afraid that they're going to lose all that power. This is privilege whining. And they're not even, some of those people would even benefit,

probably a lot of them would even benefit by voting a different party. They're just blindfolded and they recognize that those people hate the same people they do. So they think that there's something in it for them. But this week, I recently, this week, I grew up in a rural, it wasn't a rural town. It's a town

outside of Chicago. It's a suburb. And I had friends there when I was a kid. And I remember, I stopped hanging out with them right around high school because I had moved cities. And then a couple days ago, I got a Facebook friend request from a kid I went to middle school and grade school with, who I was close friends with back then. And I started scrolling through his Facebook feed and he's got Trump's face on there, but people won't share this. He's sharing videos about the insurrection

saying how great it was. He's got a rebel flag. And I just thought to myself, we are literally, there's nothing in common between us. And I know for sure, I know for sure that voting the other way would probably help him. He would be in a better space if that were true, that he would have a better, he would just have a more opportunity if he were to vote a different way. But he's been blindfolded his whole life and he's been lied to his whole life to say that that's what the,

that's essentially what your kind, that's how your kind votes. Right, yeah. He's been essentially, I mean, that's basically how it's been sent to him. And he's seen, you know, when I was a kid, he was a nice enough kid, but there's no way I'm gonna be your Facebook.

Are you kidding me? No. I don't even know you. I don't remember you. I remember you, but I don't know you, and I certainly don't want to associate with you. You have a Trump flag. Yeah, but you have a rebel flag on your thing.

You're immediately a racist to me. I wouldn't think anything other than racist if I see the rebel flag. I don't think anything other than Confederate flag, immediately I think racist. I don't think anything else. That's the first thing that pops into my head, and I'm just like, well, I don't need to fucking associate with that. That's ridiculous. I have nothing in common with you. You're a hateful,

shitty person. Go away. Speaking of which, though, I want to, you know, speaking of knocking down barriers, let's talk about the siege at the Capitol, and then let's also talk about the impeachment, because one of the, you impeachment because during that siege of the Capitol, there was, and there is a very iconic picture right now of one of those fucking chuds walking around

with the rebel flag. He's got it over his shoulder as he's walking down the hall. And there was the Congresswoman from, I think her name's Cori Bush. She's from St. Louis, Missouri. And she came out and she said, I vote yes. I want to vote yes for this.

And I think other people should. And she said, we need to strike white supremacy from the halls of this place and from the United States in general. I'm paraphrasing. And then she essentially says, and I think it starts with removing the white supremacist in chief, Donald Trump. And she got booed by the other side. But I thought, oh my gosh, this lady's a fucking baller. I would love to have her such an outspoken, awesome person. And she was unequivocal. And there's no way you can look at those

people who marched into that fucking building with their Trump. Like you pointed out last week that they're, they're not for a country, they're for a person. And then you tell, you look at the other people who are coming in with their fucking, their Confederate flags. There's no way you can look at that and say, that's not white supremacy. There's no way you can, you can't look at it and say anything else. There's nothing else to be said. And they've also identified many, many, many white supremacist groups that were part of it. Well, it's like the Proud Boys

talking about how they're not white supremacists. Bullshit. Like your entire, like your iconography, all of the symbols that you choose to carry. I mean, fucking look around at that rally. Look around at that rally. It's all white people. You're carrying a rebel flag. What the fuck do you think that that

means? Cecil, if I, like, you don't get to carry something and then have everybody around you say, well, you know what, that's racist. Then you say, well, I'm going to do it anyway because I'm going to be the one that says this is not racist. That's how symbols work. Symbols in a society are a collective agreement about what the meaning behind a fucking image is, you dumb asshole. And you know it. I wish some of these guys, the one thing I will say is like, at least some of these fucking people, they are fucking white supremacists and they own it. And then you know who they are. These fucking coward white supremacists, get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. It is fucking maddening. striking was the siege on the Capitol, that rebel flag, that Confederate flag that was carried

through the Capitol building, those assholes were able to do something that the entire South of the Civil War was unable to do, which is- Yeah, couldn't do it. They could not get a Confederate flag to fly in Washington, D.C. And the failure, the utter failure of the Capitol police, of Trump, of the systems that are supposed to protect, they failed. And that is why a Confederate flag, even for a moment in 2021, guys,

flew in the nation's Capitol. Holy shit, should we find that grotesque and unacceptable. The one thing that is so puzzling to me, and maybe you can help me figure this out, Tom. The one thing that is so puzzling to me, and maybe you can help me figure this out, Tom. The one thing that is super puzzling to me is I don't understand how those guys got in the doors in the first place if Dan Crenshaw is in Congress. I just doesn't make any sense to me.

Maybe he was on a toilet or something. Well, he might not have been there. Maybe he was voting by proxy, which is something he's called cowardice, by the way. In the past, he said that if you vote by proxy, you're a coward, which he just voted by proxy in the impeachment process. Did he really? No vote by proxy. Thank you very much. Anyway, but maybe there's two options. Maybe he was jumping out of a plane to go beat up Antifa people in Georgia at the time. So he missed it. Maybe he just missed it there.

That's confusing because I thought all the bad Trump supporters were Antifa. That's interesting too. That makes me wonder why he wasn't in the halls just jump kicking people. Right. A climbing of a statue and throwing an elbow on them. He's like

Sergeant Slaughter. He's like Sergeant Slaughter. He's like Sergeant Slaughter in G.I. Joe where he's beating up Serpentor. Serpentor. It's so ridiculous. It made me laugh though the moment I found that out because I thought there's no way he was in there, but if he was

it would have been hilarious to see him running with the other people after, especially after creating all those cart, those cartoonish videos that he's made of himself looking like such a crazy badass jumping out of a plane and stuff like that. You know, it's just so you could just tell you just, he's,

he loves the image, but if he was in that situation, he would run just like everybody else. Cause you can't take out 6,000 people. You, you're going to run away just like everybody else. Well, I, I, I love that, um, the narrative for this shifted for the right to, I, it was very interesting to watch. So initially there was a lot of support and there was a tremendous amount of support on the right

for the siege of the Capitol. They're just, I mean, the, the president himself has flip-flopped on this, you know, right? So the president himself, the day that this happened, he was like, oh, we really appreciate you. We love you. Go home now, but like, you're beautiful. And then when the political backlash to this, which has been, well, it's been exactly what it should be, which is absolutely excoriating.

When the political backlash to this actually came down the pipe, then all of a sudden, well, it was Antifa that did it. That video's gone. That video was gone. That one where he said, you're beautiful. Was it gone? Was pulled down. Yeah, no, it got pulled down. He either deleted it or Facebook deleted it. I don't know who did it on that Facebook, Twitter. Somebody deleted that video though, because it was gone after a couple hours. I watched that video and he's doing the,

and it's totally him saying, oh, you're beautiful. You're wonderful. Don't worry. Go home now. Everybody should go home now, but you're beautiful. And it's a tough day.

And, you know, they stole the election from us, but you should go home. It was a very mixed message. Right. Yeah. All of his shit. And then the next one that came out a couple hours later was 100% not him speaking

it was completely written for him and you could tell because he never once wavered he didn't say a very he was very focused on and they had to cut it even we watched it on the stream I think last week they had to cut it even because you could just tell it was a hostage video

I mean it was 100% a hostage, it was like fucking North Korea had him. And he's like, trying to blink out at Morse code. He was in distress, but that, but that came out. But then it's interesting because several Republicans came out against this and Dan Crenshaw came out against this on Fox news while it was happening, came out against it and And Dan Crenshaw came out against this on Fox News while it was happening, came out against it and said how horrible it was, et cetera, et cetera. And he was going on and on. But he made a video a couple weeks earlier of him parachuting into fucking Georgia to go beat up Antifa guys, right? You fucking threw gas on the fire before. You threw gas on the fire because you knew it was going to

get fucking yokels out to vote. And those votes were fucking close, man. Both of those were within percentage, like very small percentage points. So both of those, there was a reason you were trying to get those people out to vote is because you knew if you lost the Senate, you're fucked. And so you used whatever it took. And what it took was this bullshit narrative, stop the steal. Look at these thugs out there. You sold this to other people. And so when they show up on the 6th, that's on you too. Whether you're denouncing it now or not, it's on you too. Yeah. You can't align yourself with that whole story that led up to this and then be like, I didn't like the ending. Yeah. This is always the way this was going down. I know we said this last time, but

there was nothing surprising. This is the most evitable possible fucking conclusion is this rally of violence. And everybody knew it. Trump even hinted at it. He fucking said so in tweets. He said, it's going to be big. It's it's gonna be wild what does that even mean like why people are gonna stand around and whoop around at each other what did you think was gonna happen it's not gonna be a wet t-shirt contest that's for sure although there is a bikinis there is a lot of moobs there you could have a good wet wet t-shirt contest there i bet yeah you could have a wet t-shirt contest i don't know if good would be the adjective to describe that fucking horror people might think it's good yeah those people are wrong the thing that the thing that i i just i watched the the happenings of of the last week and two days and there's this like

jumping of the rats from the ship right mitch Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, they've all, like even Mitch McConnell has said privately that he would endorse the impeachment, that he's for the impeachment. And it's just a despicable place in GOP's history because for the last four years, they were more than happy to ride the coattails of this extremist, galvanizing, individuated force that was Trump, right? Trump turned out, make no mistake about it, Trump turned out 75 million voters. That's the second largest number of voters that has voted, has ever voted. That's it.

It's Biden and then Trump and nobody else has turned out that many voters. So they were more than happy to say, look, man, this guy has created this massive, albeit dangerous cult of personality and nobody else on the Republican party has anywhere near the kind of draw, the kind of pull, the kind of sway over the 70. So we want it. We want in on it. And they also see that this guy buries everybody that opposes him. So they were more than happy. They were more than happy to support at every turn to support this shit, this complete shit. And then it was only after the riot at the Capitol went badly. complete shit. And then it was only after the riot at the Capitol went badly. It was only after the response to the riot at the Capitol was so overwhelmingly negative. And when their personal

lives were in danger, it's only then that they're like, okay, wait a minute. We supported this monster exactly one step too far. This only went for these guys. They didn't change their mind on a matter of principle. Not one of them. Fuck them all guys. They didn't change their mind on a matter of principle. Not one of them. Fuck them all. Not one of them changed their mind on a matter of principle. What they're seeing now is that the GOP as a party has become toothless

and splintered. Because Trump is maintaining a stranglehold from a personality standpoint on those people. They stormed the Capitol chanting, hang Mike Pence. Mike Pence has been a loyal

Republican Trump lapdog for four years. They would have torn him to shreds like the end of Shaun of the Dead. They'd have reached into his body, pulled out his guts, and his four corners would have split everywhere. They would have torn him apart, literally his four corners would have split everywhere. They would have torn him apart literally if they would have found him. Yeah. And that is a guy who is as Republican

as it gets. The thing is that those guys aren't Republicans. Those Trump supporters, they're not Republicans. They're Trumpers, right? It's different. Yeah. And I think what the GOP is seeing is, holy shit, this has gone out of control. It's out of our hands it's just different. I think what the GOP is seeing is, holy shit, this has gone out of control. It's out of our hands. They don't care about us at all. They're not really on our side. Yes, they turn out and vote and they sometimes vote down ticket

and we reap the down ticket advantage of that. But fuck, like we have no control over this fucking rabid dog any longer. And we're afraid that we're going to get bit too, because Mike Pence, hang Mike Pence. That motherfucker said yes every single time. That motherfucker never had a headache. He fucking said yes every time for four years. He carried Trump's balls for four years, man. Yep. And he is an enemy, man. Polished them whenever he wanted.

And I, you know, when Mitch McConnell came out and said that he's willing to do this, I know you and I are on very different wavelengths, right? You know, I'm a very cynical guy. When I see somebody do something, I always think, what's your ulterior motive? What are you doing here that makes you think, that makes me think that you're, you know,

you're not just doing this because you think it's the right thing. Like you just said, there's no way Mitch McConnell thinks that this is the right thing to do. He's doing it because he knows that there's political gain in it. And whether that political gain is he loses Trump forever because he's able to vote him out of federal office forever with this and not have to deal with him ever again, which would be a blessing. The other thing I think that he's doing, and I think the reason why he let it, you know, quote unquote leak from his office, that he is letting Pence or letting, he's letting this impeachment thing come to him. And then they're going to have this trial is because the first

hundred days in Biden's administration and the first 100 days in any administration is when everybody tries to get the wheel spinning as fast as they can so they can let the rubber hit the road and get moving. And that first 100 days is when all the political will is there to do all the things that they say. And so that's why when people write their first 100 days out,

they know that they have these very specific plans because they want to try to use as much political as capital as fast as they can before people start to tire of them. And so what I think Mitch McConnell is doing smart, which I mean, it's a smart thing to do is to let this come in. And it does a couple things. One, it takes Biden away from his message, which is unify his whole message from the very beginning when he started running, when he finally won the primary, was let's unify the country. Let's unify the country. It's a unification sort of presidency that he wants to run. He wants to bring people together.

And so this takes away from that. This 100% flies in the face. And they'll use this in a couple years and they'll just be, what do you mean unify? You fucking tried Trump in your first five days in office. That's ridiculous. But the other thing they're going to try to do, because they're already talking about splitting days between his appointments and the impeachment trial, they're going to slow down his appointments, which again, gums up the muck. It gums up the wheels. So it slows him down. He doesn't hit the ground running. They want to slow him down. Mitch McConnell has, in some ways, he's still got his hand on the brake, even though he's not going to be in charge

in a couple of weeks. Fucking, he's a devious motherfucker. I will say, I think that's what he's doing. That's why I think he's doing. I don't actually, that didn't even occur to me. And I don't disagree with you. And I think, I think too, psychologically, if they can turn the first two years of the Biden presidency into a, um, hangover of

the Trump presidency into constantly being still a reaction to Trump, then they can, they can stall all the progress that Biden might make and they can turn Biden as a legitimate president into the post-Trump president, right? It changes the whole brand of the whole thing. And they only need to do that for two years because in two years, there's the midterms. and they can still keep Trump narratively involved and Biden not as Biden, but Biden as an opposing force to Trump, then anything that opposes Trump, 75 million people have already come out and said,

we will fight against that. So they can continue, I think, to gain access to some, and probably not all, but some of the galvanizing influence of Trump. It's devious as fuck, man. It's devious as fuck. And I really kind of hoped that we would go through a censure rather than the impeachment because that could just be done. I was hoping Pence would just do it. I was hoping Pence was just going to do it. I never thought that was going to happen. I didn't think so either, but I had hope. I was hoping for it because it's the easiest,

the quickest way to do it. And I will say, I don't know that I didn't think so either, but I had hope, you know, I was hoping for it because it's the easiest, the quickest way to do it. And, you know, I will say, I don't know that I didn't think it was going to happen because the first couple of hours after everything was going down, I wasn't quite so sure there was, there was, especially after he gave that really weird statement, it felt to me like, what the fuck is how that's not Trump. Trump doesn't talk like that. What is happening? So I, I don't know that I never thought it, but after a day or so and it cooled its heels. And you know, the thing that makes me nuts about that, Tom, is that fucking Pelosi gave him a whole weekend. What the fuck do you need a fucking weekend for to figure out if you're going to do that? I know what I'm going to order off the fucking Starbucks menu in three minutes.

I don't need more than that to figure out if I should replace Trump or not, right? I don't need that. Either I'm going to do it or I'm not. You don't give the guy an entire fucking weekend to stall and wait. They should have given him 15 minutes. Should have called him on the phone and said,

guess what? I'm going to give you 15 minutes. Either you do it or not, I'm running impeachment right now. And not send people home for the weekend. Be like, no, we're doing this right now. Fuck that. That's what should have happened. Couldn't possibly agree with that more. That was the time to strike. The iron was never going to be hotter than in those moments. And those people in those moments were, they were finally afraid personally. And the thing I

thought about with this, Cecil, is like for the first time, these lawmakers, maybe not all of them for the first time, but for many of them for the first time, they were feeling the fear that so many people of color, so many immigrants, so many other people live with the fucking fear that is generated by the Trump presidency every day. Every day, the Trump presidency's policies and his actions and just the stirring of the shit and the creation of this national division between the haves and the have-nots

and the whites and the people of color, that shit that has been absolutely stirred and stirred and stirred for four years, people, they've been scared the whole time. And I thought like, good, now you're scared, motherfucker. Now you're there. Now you're cowering. Now you're wondering if the fucking mob of MAGA idiots is going to storm your fucking house and kick the shit out of you, right? Because there's people that have been living with that shit for four fucking years. And I thought,

holy shit, maybe there'll be an empathetic moment. Maybe there'll be like, holy God, these fuckers are out of control. And it only swayed 10. It only swayed 10 fucking Republicans in the House. There's 435 people in the House. It only swayed 10 Republicans. What the fucking what? What the fucking what? It's not going to sway anybody else in the other. I don't think it's going to. It might sway one or two people. And maybe you might even see Mitch McConnell vote for it, right? Maybe Mitch McConnell votes for it. And that changes things if Mitch McConnell votes for it. They say that impeachment here is probably the best course of action because if you do, then you take away all the benefits he gets post office.

If you do, then you take away all the benefits he gets post office. You know, when he leaves office, he gets a ton of stuff, Secret Service detail, money, you know, all kinds of other things. A travel budget, things like that. You take all that away from him if you impeach him and you actually remove him from office. There's also a possibility, I think it's a different amendment or something that will allow them to make sure that he never holds federal office again, where they can basically bar him from federal office. And I don't know if that's part of the impeachment or it's another law that they would, another thing that they would

have to pass, but maybe that might gain some traction. And I think that would be very appealing to a lot of people on the Republican side of the fence. But, and I, and, and, you know, him not having his communication structure is one of the big things I think that really changes the game when it comes to Trump because Trump has always had this megaphone that is outside of the presidency that he can reach so many people. And now he's off Twitter. He's off Facebook. He's off all the social media. And so now it's – it's a, it's an, and they took down parlor. There's so many different things that are happening that are hamstringing him

right now that could really change how they treat him. Yeah. Well, they, they, they took them off of Pinterest too. So he can't, you know,

he can't put his lemon cake recipes up or whatever. That bitch got taken off of Shopify. He's fucking off of everything. Yeah. It's Shopify. I, I love how fast everybody has abandoned that motherfucker. Too little, too late, by the way.

Too little, too fucking late. You know, I was thinking about this throughout the course of the last week that, and I don't want to get too far into this because I know it's a pet issue of mine, but I was wondering if finally we will begin to see some sense of responsibility from these platforms around the content that exists on these fucking platforms. It's been something that's irked me for years. And I think that we're finally maybe coming to a reckoning point where, holy shit, we could end up with an insurrection. We could end up with a civil fucking war. Holy shit, we could end up with an insurrection.

We could end up with a civil fucking war. We could end up with these in a non-abstract way, in a very tangible, real way. And there's been calls for these platforms to accept responsibility, at least to some degree, for the content that exists on them. And finally, it took this, right? It took thousands of people storming the fucking castle

with their fucking weird horns and their fucking crazy fucking flag costumes and beating the shit out of people and attacking cops while chanting USA and hanging, like erecting a fucking gallows in the crowd. It took that, but it happened. And to your point, like his megaphone is gone. Fucking good. Fucking good. Because his ability to act, you know, it's like we talked about earlier, like what matters are how many barriers are in place. You never get, you're never going to make everything perfect, but the more you narrow the funnel, the less shit that goes through it. So creating barriers to people receiving this message is important because most people are fucking lazy.

Unlike lawmakers, most people's job isn't to get the news. Most people's job, they're going to get things fairly passively. There's going to be a group of people who are very energized and active and they're going to go on Telegram or Telegraph, whatever it is, and Signal, and they're going to go on Telegram or Telegraph, whatever it is, and Signal, and they're going to go to different places because that's essentially their fucking evil hobby. And they're going to do that work. But there's a huge number of people who get their

information passively. They get it through Facebook. They get it through Twitter. If it's not easy, they're not going to do it. It's passive. So they click here, they click there, whatever's easy. It's on an app. I'm sitting in the fucking parking lot waiting for my kid to finish a soccer game and I'm dicking around on my phone and that's how they get their information. That's most people. That's most of how America, I think, gathers information. So taking them off of those platforms and making it more difficult for him to message that shit out, I do think that has a real value. I'm really fucking glad that was done. I don't think he's going away, but I think it's good. Yeah. It's a lot like Alex Jones. Once Alex Jones left YouTube, you have to go find him. You got to go to alexjones.com or whatever. And people

weren't going to do that. If it came up in my feed, I'd watch it, but it didn't come in my feed. And so I forgot about it. Yep. Exactly. Exactly. So that bitch got kicked off of everything. He got just fucking kicked. And then excitingly, Deutsche Bank was like, cool, cool, cool. Guess what? We're never doing business with you. Yeah. So many different places. Yep. The PGA is like, cool. We are canceling our contract to have golfing at your golf resorts, which is a huge deal. It's going to cost millions.

It's going to cost him millions of dollars. There's another major bank that is pulling their association with him with Trump recently. His brand is going to crumble around him.

New York City. New York City pulled all their contracts with the Trump organization. Yeah. And he's a fucking New York-based brand. Yeah. That's where his brand was based out organization. Yeah. And he's a fucking New York-based brand. Yeah.

That's where his brand was based out of. Yeah. So I do think that the GOP is recognizing the toxicity. And you've got to, right? Because all of a sudden, all those guys that were faithful fucking lapdogs are now on the outs. Mike Pence, they all hate him. All of a sudden, overnight, overnight, they fucking hate that guy. Mitch McConnell fucking could not have done more work

yeah he's a deep state operative now now he's a deep like the deep state is fucking everybody but Newsmax yeah yeah he said and that and that's so true that that that crowd was always going to be fickle to anybody it was they were always Trump's dog right they were never

anybody else's dog. They might have tolerated you in the room, but they were never your dog. They were always Trump's dog. And so, and that's how they're treating everybody right now. And, you know, I know that there are, there's got to be some out there, and

I don't know where you were for the last four years, but there's got to be some out there. Principled Republicans, I never ran into years, but there's got to be some out there, principled Republicans. I never ran into one, but I presume they exist. Suddenly, I feel like I'm talking about Sasquatch, right? I feel like I'm like, is there? I don't know. Like the mythical, yeah. But at least, maybe not principled,

but at least people who genuinely have a stomach churn when they see a Confederate flag walk across the Capitol. I know there's Republicans out there that don't like that. I know for sure that's that there are Republicans out there who are pissed off that somebody did that. And that may shoot them away from Trump. They probably voted for Trump because it was the guy who they thought was, you know, going to be able to beat Joe Biden and socialism or whatever. And Joe Biden, trust me, Joe Biden is as far away from socialism as Trump is from socialism, everybody.

I just wanted to point that out. But, you know, the fact is, is like, I think that there is going to be some people out there that pull away. So Trump's brand not only got damaged by this in the sense that all those people pulled away from him monetarily and all these social media platforms pulled away from him monetarily and all these social media platforms

pulled away from him to not allow him his megaphone. But I do think that his, you know, he's not going to get a 75 million vote anymore. That's not going to happen. That's not going to happen. And there's a reason for the other, the opposite side, you know, the Democrats at this point to push and keep pushing for this

because they want to make sure that this never goes away, that there's always a, like a red letter I on him, you know, that's insurrection. They always want to make sure that that's on him, whether he runs for office in the future or not. Yeah. I think this is a defining, a potentially defining political shift in America, right? So, political shift in America, right? So, because how, if you're somebody who supported the stop the steal narrative and, you know, it came time to vote and you didn't vote against impeaching Trump

and you have this record now, forever, you have this record now of supporting Trump. And as time goes by, Trump's star as his megaphone fades, his star will fade. That's just the psychology of it, right? And people will have trials and will hold these people. And as time is going by, we're finding out just how violent, to the point of the beginning of the show, the top of the show, we're finding out exactly how violent their intentions were. And they were incredibly violent. And the public is

overwhelmingly opposed to what happened last week. We're going to be at a place, and I can't wait to be there. We're going to be at a place where any association is going to be a toxic association, a politically toxic association. Great place to be. I would love to be running against somebody. Can you imagine standing on a stage and being like, yeah, I'm going to oppose Joe what the fuck because Joe what the fuck supported the rioters. He supported the insurrection. He's an insurrectionist. Yeah. Who wouldn't love to have that as their guy to point at?

Such great soundbite. You could just use it forever. Literally use it forever. Literally use it forever. You know, and they're also finding out too today, what broke today, which is something we didn't really, we weren't going to cover last night,

was that Nancy Pelosi came out today and said, we are investigating possibilities that Congress people helped in some way. And if there is, if they are found out, and if it is, if it comes to light that they did actually help, there's going to be serious consequences outside of the Senate, outside of Congress. They're not going to, it's not that Congress is going to, I mean, this is, this is laws are going to, you know, this is the actual justice system is going to come after them. And so she gave a speech today in specific,

talking about that. And, you know, that's something that I would have never guessed last week that would have happened. Never would have guessed. But now they're saying that some of them got tours. They got a tour the day before. There's been, you know, some people saying that, you know, that woman who was tweeting out their location, that's, you know, because they're basically, there was a woman from Colorado, one of the people who was voting against the certification, who's 100% behind Trump, was tweeting

out their location. Now we've just left the main room. Now we're here. Now we're there. Oh, shit. Yeah, so she was tweeting out their location to everybody. And the people are saying, you know, that's, you were basically in league. You know, whether you- That's providing intelligence to the enemy. The thing is, if you're too stupid to know that, then you're too stupid to be in Congress,

or you intentionally did it. Either way, you should be out, period. Yeah. Where is the counter argument to that? Like, oh, I just, I wanted to make sure that I let everybody know I was exactly where I was when the people were looking for us to fucking hang us, to drag us. I mean, what the fuck? There is no, even the claim of stupidity is spurious, right? I would have a hard time believing anybody. I'll tell you what, Cecil, if you're that stupid, you're that stupid at the same time that you're so spectacularly narcissistic that you can't for a moment not be fucking live tweeting your life. Yeah. Right. Right.

How, like, it means you're stupid and you're just fucking awful. Like you're just an awful fucking lousy, shitty fucking person. You're stupid and you're a bore. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Holy fuck. You know, fucking you're a bore. Yeah, right. Exactly. Holy fuck. You know, fucking micro blog every second of your life. Fucking snooze to you. What on earth is wrong with you, Dr. Asquith? This is supposed to be a bawdy 1970s hospital.

Please stick to using innuendo. I'm sorry, sir, but to be honest, I've never really understood the difference between doublon tendres and the stuff I say. Let me try to explain. If I say, would you like to grasp my rod? That's innuendo. Would you like to wank off my cock? That's not. You see what I mean? Not really. So shifting, this is a story from the BBC and it's interesting how a story like this,

a week can be so insane that a story like this can get kind of buried because this is a fucking really big story. It's from the BBC, Irish government to apologize over mother and baby homes. And so what this refers to in Ireland in the 19th and 20th centuries, the Irish government and the Catholic Church worked hand in hand to establish homes for unwed mothers, pregnant women and women who had given birth, and for their offspring.

And these were horrible, horrible, deplorable, disgusting places to live. The conditions were absolutely extreme. We're talking about enormous numbers of people. And they were shuttered away in these homes because they were a source of national embarrassment driven by the religious moralizing of the Catholic Church. So these poor women who didn't do fucking anything wrong, they're just fucking people in the world who had sex, just like fucking everybody in the world. So there's people in the world that had sex that ended up finding themselves pregnant. By the way, living in a country where birth control is very difficult,

right? Especially in the 19th century, but even in many, many times in Ireland during the 20th century. So living in a place where birth control is difficult or impossible to get a hold of, and then they find themselves pregnant because that is just a natural consequence of sex for women. So they find themselves pregnant, 57,000, I'm sorry, 56,000 women and 57,000 children at some point are in the care, and that's really how it should have been, in the care of the Catholic church in these unwed mother homes. 9,000 of these children would end up dying in these homes from horrible malnutrition, disease, abuse, neglect, terrible, terrible conditions, Cecil.

Yeah. And when you think about one in six children dying in these homes, right? 9,000 children died and there's 57,000 of them. One in six children. Go to your Yahtzee game and pull one of the dice out and roll it. And if you got a one, you're dead. You know, hand that around the room. Anybody who got a one is dead. I mean, that's your chances of dying.

That's a horrible, horrible thing. And then to sort of use this, you know, we talk about the Catholic church, we talk about how horrible it is all the time. We talk about how shitty it is and how we cannot believe that they're still around. And, you know, this is yet another moment where we look to a government and a church and we say, how the fuck is it possible that you have, since your inception, lied to everyone in some way to say, I'm here to help. You're never here to help. And I take that back. Maybe you are here to help.

But the thing is that we always seem to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are moral. We always give you the benefit of the doubt that you are here to help. But we are seeing more and more from people who are being diddled, they're digging up mass graves of children at these places. You're finding more and more that they were put in a position of authority and committed absolute acts of evil. The place that you're supposed to be looking to as the benevolent place where the morality should be the highest because they're essentially distilling it from the God.

Right. And they are literally doing some of the most evil shit you could possibly imagine. It's so abhorrent. And this is just what we know, right? It's just what you know. And it's just one country. Where else did stuff like this happen? Yeah, that's true, man.

I didn't even think about that. And you read through some of the statements. I got to read a couple of statements from this because one of the groups that's apologizing is a group called the Sisters of the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary. That's one of the groups that ran some of these homes. And this fucking statement makes me so angry to read.

The spokesperson says, we especially want to recognize and accept today that so many women who were shunned and shamed by society did not find the support and level of care they needed and deserved at such a dreadful and painful time in their lives. You assholes, you're the ones who created the shame. Yeah. Yeah. Religious fucking prudishness fueled that shame. You created the dreadful and painful time in their life. Like

they created the problem and then refused to solve it and made it worse with their solution. And then they're going to come back now and say, you know, during this really hard time when society was shaming you, we didn't do a good job taking you in. Asshole, you're the religious majority group of that society. You created the shame. You're literally the problem. And then you're not, you're trying to pretend that you were the solution to the problem. The problem wouldn't fucking exist without you. There is no shame around being an unwed mother without religious moralizing. There's none of it. None, none. You created that shit. And there's, and there's still, even in their fucking apology, I think it's a fucking disingenuous bullshit apology because it pretends that there is something called society, which lives outside the moors of the religious institution, which is the

dominant religious institution in that society. And in Ireland, it's not a little dominant. It's massively dominant. Fuck you with that shit. It made me so crazy when I read that, because it's just still, it still refuses to recognize the real responsibility. The real responsibility is you motherfuckers made these people shamed in the first place. You built the wrong society. You built a cruel and unjust and uncaring society just for women. Just for women. They don't have a fucking home for dudes who got chicks pregnant. Nope.

Where's that home? Those dudes are just out fucking other chicks. Yeah, you're not digging up mass graves of dudes who banged chicks and got chicks pregnant. Nope. Where's that home? Those dudes are just out fucking other chicks. Yeah, you're not digging up mass graves of dudes who banged chicks and got them pregnant. That's not a thing you're doing. You're not finding those bodies. You're finding the bodies that were neglected. And, you know, this is just,

it's just so rooted in misogyny. The whole church itself is rooted in misogyny. And then this whole thing is rooted in misogyny. And then, you know, you look at just Ireland today and how hard it is to get an abortion, how difficult they, they, how difficult they treat people. If they just, you know, if you just tone that down, you just tone that down a little, stop with the shaming of, of, of unwed women being, being pregnant. And then you expand your abortion laws

and you don't have anything that is as misogynist as it was. You're still under the old, you mean you're still, that country is still operating in a way that is a nod to the past. And it needs to stop doing that. Yeah, in Ireland, up until 1985,

there was no contraception legally available in Ireland. And the Irish government in 1985 defied the Catholic church. It was always the Catholic church. And they're pretending that they're, oh, we'll take you in. We'll take you in because society is on. You're the reason. You're literally the only reason for this fucking problem. And then what do they do? They do the same bullshit. Sorry. Oh, forgiveness. Sorry. This fucking sorry story. I can't think of any other organization that gets to say they're sorry as often as the fucking Catholic, as often as any church, but specifically the Catholic church. They're, oh, sorry there. Oh, geez.

I know there's 796 babies buried in my fucking backyard, but sorry. We're all, we're all, you know what I'll do? I won't have, I won't do that again. Yeah. What other organization gets to continue? I promise. I promise. And what I'll do is I will put it under, I will sweep it under the rug.

So no one knows any of these babies in a hundred years. Yeah, that's true. Nobody around is going to know shit about these, but nobody's going to be related to them. Nobody's going to, you know, there's not going to have a great aunt somewhere or whatever. They're still alive. They're all fucking all the people that were related to them. It's now great, great, great aunt, auntie, whatever the fuck.

And so now it's, now it's not anybody. It's not anybody that's related to you or that you would know. So that's what you did is you swept it under the rug. So just like the priest, just like what you do with the priest, when you fucking, when you shuffle that deck and who knows what's going to come up next, who knows where you're going to go?

You could go to Portland. Round and round she goes. Where he diddles, nobody knows. You go to Brazil, you go all kinds of places. It turns out to go diddle kids, but we don't know where you went and we're certainly not going to tell them about it.

And the same thing here, this is just another coverup and now it's getting exposed. And that's when I'm sorry. It's not that they got exposed 50 years earlier by a bunch of priests who came forward and said, holy shit, I was planting a garden and they just found this. Wow. Real sorry about that they just found this. Wow. Uh,

real sorry about that. Sorry about that. Whoops. No, it wasn't like that at all. And the thing too, that's a great point. See,

so because you know, the Catholic church always knew they did this. Yeah. So it's not like it came to light for the Catholics and they're like, whoa, I didn't notice that I had literally dozens of these. Fuck you. You always knew.

They literally buried the evidence. Right. It took a third party investigation to investigate the church. They never come clean. The Catholic church never says, hey, you know, upon moral reflection, here's some shit that, you know, a generation ago we shouldn't have done. They've never done it yet. They always have to get caught first. They always have to get caught first. They always have to get caught. You're not moral if you only apologize when you've been

caught. If the only time you're sorry is when you got caught, you were never really sorry and you're lying when you say it. I absolutely do not believe any person or institution who is only sorry when they got caught. You don't care. What you're saying is is only sorry when they got caught. You don't care. What you're saying is, I'm sorry I got caught. There's nothing else that you are saying in that moment. You're just sorry that there's repercussions. If you could have gotten away with it, you would have because the whole time you knew

this existed and you were trying to get away with it. That's how I know that. That's what getting away with things means. It means you don't want to accept the responsibility and you were never sorry. Not once. And they never wanted to accept the responsibility and they put people, horrible people in charge of a bunch of people and they literally didn't care who died. They would watch them die. They would watch them die sadistically. I mean, you can't look at it any other way. There's no way you could think that they somehow weren't sadistic about it. They would watch them die sadistically. I mean, you can't look at it any other way. There's no way you could think that they somehow weren't sadistic about it.

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Trump and many of Trump's supporters, but specifically like the craziest supporters. So I think Facebook purged or Twitter purged a bunch of fucking Q idiots. 55,000 or something I thought I read. It was a good sum. But the best part about this, Tom,

was that the day after, you got a chance to see all those people who they were following because every single conservative pundit was saying, wow, I lost 50,000 followers over the weekend. I know. It's like if we just lost all the listeners to our show, I'd be like, our listeners were awful.

I feel depressed about that. I should stop doing this. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? Fuck. Holy shit. So, so this is, this is pretty interesting. So, you know, as we mentioned, Trump's got kicked off of these places and then, you know, Parler is shut down. So Parler can't do business because Google took them off the app store and Apple took them off their app store and Amazon took them out of their web hosting. So they just, they've, and every, nobody will work with them anymore. They can't find another hosting service. So Parler's fucking donezo. And a whole bunch of people are donezo. So, you know, one thing I really want to quick aside, I love, I love, I love all the people that for so many years have told millennials like, oh, those

pictures you're posting of yourself like partying and drinking, it's going to make it harder for you to find a job. And then these fucking idiots are live streaming their breaking of the, live streaming their fucking insurrection and they're posting fucking like vanity pics of themselves

in the middle of a riot. Like I'm breaking the law. And then they wonder why there's consequences. Your dumb asses got fired. Your dumb asses got kicked off of your social media platforms. Your dumb asses are going to end up getting arrested. And they're just,

they all seem so surprised. They all seem shocked. Whoa. How'd they find me? I don't know. Sherlock, maybe the fucking pictures you took and posted on your fucking public blog. They all seem shocked. Whoa, how'd they find me? I don't know, Sherlock. Maybe the fucking pictures you took and posted on your fucking public blog.

That's what social media is. It's just your public blog, you stupid asshole. I blogged about myself robbing a bank and then they called me a bank robber. What? The worst part about this though is that while it's great that they are sweeping the room in these places, too little too late, by the way.

Let's just point that out. Let's be real honest and say the fact that they're getting pulled off now after this, you know, guys, you could have made sure that this never happened if you would have pulled them off years ago. But instead, you just let this happen. And so now people are dead because of you. And it's literally because they were able to communicate through your, through your platforms. There's no other reason why, you know, the stop the steal shit was on your fucking platform. Fuck off. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I don't know who you're going to try to fool with that bullshit, but they essentially pulled all these people off. But is this scary time now?

Because at least before you could easily find out where they were going. And now it's a little harder because now there's these telegram and signal, which are encrypted messages. And it's harder to be sort of invited into these groups. And there's private conversations that you can't be privy to. And they're just harder for the FBI and for other people to monitor their stuff. Not that I'm fond of the FBI monitoring people, but to be honest, when people are dangerous, I want to make sure that somebody's, somebody's paying attention to them. And that makes it a lot harder for somebody to pay attention to them. It does. This is, this is, I mean, this is a knife cuts both ways moment. And what's going

to be interesting to see how the technology continues and the use of the technology for these fucking domestic terrorists continues to evolve. You know, I still do think that overall, the reduction and limiting effect of just kind of

taking people out of it, making it less easy to be a terrorist is generally good. Just making it harder. Yeah, just making it harder. But it is scary that there's now a lot less visibility. That visibility is our end-to-end encrypted groups and sites.

The visibility into this is so much less. And don't get me wrong, Telegram and Signal have been used for years by all kinds of different organizations who, for whatever reason, need to have that level of privacy around their groups and their conversations. But it does worry me that driving them into more sophisticated platforms will make it significantly more difficult for

monitoring by law enforcement. And it's really nerve wracking, man. And one good thing though, that I did hear on a podcast, they were talking to a woman who's been monitoring them for years. She's been monitoring them, not just on Twitter and on Facebook, but then also started monitoring them for that sort of brief flash in the pan

that was Parler. And then now is still monitoring them on this telegram and signal applications and paying attention to what they do. And while they were on the bigger platforms, she had said that there was very much a cohesive plan on how they were going to do things because a lot of the messaging came top down from Trump. Trump would say, show up on the 6th, it's going to be wild, And they would. And so now there's not somebody there who can step into that role, right? There's not a leader who they all

sort of agree is the leader. And so there's not anybody who's willing to say, no guys, we're all going to the, with our guns to the Capitol on the 18th. Instead, they just, there's not a, you know, they're all asking questions. They don't know where to go. And at one point, one guy sort of exasperatedly types in, guys, just tell me where to be and I'll be there. But nobody's willing to pull the trigger.

And also these groups are now disparate. They're not able to be connected as closely or as easily as they were before. And so now there's a difficulty in even communication there. So now there's a difficulty in even communication there. So maybe there is a silver lining in both the ubiquity of it and it just having a harder time accessing it and it also sort of fragmenting them. Maybe it's not going to be as bad, but I will say this, do not take your eyes off this. I think that we are going to see another Oklahoma City bottoming,

something like that coming out of this Trump mess. I don't think this is over and I don't think the deaths are over. And I do think there will be some sort of massive damage thing that will probably happen because of this. Maybe not right away, but it certainly, I think, will foment enough to finally explode. And, you know, there's a lot of easy ways in this country. We make it easy to get a hold of gunpowder and all kinds of other things to hurt people. Man, I got a couple of questions. Do you think that end-to-end encrypted platforms that are free and available on a social network, do you think that's too powerful for just anybody to just have for free? Because that strikes me as, does that match our social values? Do we, is that too powerful?

I was thinking about this and I was thinking about, well, you know, my house is private, right? My house is private. I could go somewhere and meet somebody for private conversation in a park or something like that. And so how is it different? And I started thinking about it and what I came up with was if somebody could at least see who's in my house,

somebody could at least see, you know, somebody meeting someone in the park. There's a way to know that I am doing something. So there is a way to monitor me. We're never really truly unmonitorable in this country, especially now with the ubiquity of security cameras and your cell phone data and all that stuff. You're never really truly unmonitored. People know where you're at pretty much all the time. And so we're not really ever unmonitored. So I don't know. You know, I think that, you know,

it's something that it feels like what it should happen is there should be some way that you have to register that isn't just an email or something. You know what I mean? But that also then may take a vulnerable party out there, someone who's being abused, let's say. And if you sort of vet those people and then the wrong person gets a hold of that information,

if some hacker goes in and finds all the users of this signal, and then they post whoever is using it somewhere, and it could damage. There's a damaging process there too. So if you do let someone know, then there's a

possibility that could come back to you if someone ever breaks in there and steals that data. And so there's a, it's a tough, it's a tough line to walk. I want to make sure that somebody who's being abused has a fucking, an end to end encrypted thing that they can communicate with somebody. I a hundred percent want that. Like I,% want that for somebody. But I don't know what the damage is if we suddenly allow people to have access to something that the technology allows for people to be very nefarious with. You know, like your point about gathering in the house,

like I just thought like, you know, if I go to your house, nobody notices. But if 150 people go to your house every day, right, you'll get some attention. It's sort of the aggregating effect. And I wonder if these sort of technologies, I believe very strongly in a right to privacy. It's actually a really important right to me. The right to privacy is a really, really important right to me. But I do wonder if like other rights, there are not reasonable limits to it. You know, we have a right to guns, but that's rifles, not bazookas. And I wonder if things like,

you know, because a company like Signal, they do not have access. That's what end-to-end encryption means. It means the company does not have access to the information that's being transmitted on their own platform. It's only the sender and the receiver, which means that they can't put any filters in place to make sure that there's not terrorism and child pornography and all kinds of other shit being transmitted back and forth in this channel. And that strikes me as sort of that scaling problem of the right to privacy, that maybe the technology here is a bazooka and not a rifle. And there should be some third party who has a technological access to what goes on so that there can be some

accountability and visibility. But I don't know that that's what I think. It just strikes me as an important next step conversation. I don't know where I stand on an either. And I don't think I fall either side. I think that there's significant problems. I think that it's going to cause significant problems.

And smart people are going to have to sit down and figure out the best way to move forward in a world where this is more common. And, you know, two dopey podcasters who don't have degrees in this, we're not going to figure it out. We're not going to figure it out, but I do think it's an interesting question. And I do think that there is, that there should be more questions like that asked to try to figure out what the right thing is, because there are plenty of smart people out there who could figure it out.

I don't think it's an unsolvable question, but it definitely will, no matter what, it's going to infringe on somebody's rights. The answer will infringe on someone's rights. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I agree. It's not unsolvable. It's just, it's one of those things, Cecil, where I feel like we're in the throes,

like the growing pains, right? Growing pains. Yeah, it's the growing pains of technology. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And it's dangerous because we haven't figured out how to use it, you know? So we want to thank our patrons. Of course, we want to thank all our patrons. We want to thank our newest patrons, Tim, Julie, Happy Tyler, Emma, Ribclone. Oh, Ribclone is great. Ribclone, I just get it now. Ribclone is great.

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threw his weight around his very, very slight amount of insubstantial hipster weight. So we got a message from Travis and Travis says, you know, we, we heard the Georgia phone call, but we didn't hear any of the phone calls to the other states, but you know, they occurred. It's so true, man. I don't think you're wrong, man. You don't know. I know that he called a ton of people. He called a ton of people. And they were saying that he called a ton of people. And we may hear those calls eventually. You might not hear them now, but you definitely might hear them eventually.

We got a message from Seth, and Seth said, this fucking headline is baller, and it's so good. Vice News, the guy who flew the Confederate flag in the Capitol has predictably surrendered bravo that is a chef kiss fucking headline just a chef headline we got a message from katherine

and katherine included a spreadsheet that i hope ian will remember to include in our show notes and if not we'll have him posted a day or two after and when we remind him but in our show notes. And if not, we'll have them posted a day or two after and when we remind them, but in the show notes, we'll have a link to a spreadsheet. What Catherine did was go through every single person who voted to overturn the election in the House and in the Senate and voted no to impeachment. And they've got a spreadsheet that they're working on right now and wanted to share it with us. So they're going to keep on adding to it. I suspect that they will add the numbers for the people who vote no

for the impeachment in Congress. So yeah, so check this spreadsheet out. I think it's great. I had a chance to look through and dig through and you could see, find your senators. In there is also numbers. So if you want to call the people, especially in your district, to complain, the number's right there. It's an incredible resource that she put together. I mean, wow. Yeah. Incredible. So we're going to post on this week's show notes.

This is from Stella and Stella sent us an image and it's a, it's a Cadbury bar that is a chocolate bar, but it's a Neapolitan chocolate bar. So the bottom is milk chocolate. The middle is like a strawberry chocolate and the top of it is a, a white chocolate. It looks like a horror. It looks like a genuine horror. That would go right in the garbage can. They're asking how you'd eat it right in the garbage can. The garbage can would have to tell me how it is. Absolute trash. Dumpster. It really does look like a scooper cross bar, though. It does

look like a scooper cross bar. It's a scooper cross bar. Like it's designed to be thrown away. Yeah. I think I'm converted after the cookies. Like the Neapolitan cookie situation definitely made it. Yeah. They were way better when you took a bite. Way better.

Way better. Way better. That's something else we did on the live stream, guys. Yeah. You're missing out on all the good stuff, guys. You're missing out

on all the video stuff. So Reena sent in a message and said that I shared a story last week about my job throwing away food and I quit because of it. And they said they're from Russia and there's difference in laws,

of course. They worked in a cafe and staff were forbidden to eat expired things for reasons, you know, because it's been sitting out. There's a, you know, the, the, the, uh, four hour rule, uh, of, uh, food poisoning, you know, you don't want to leave something out for an extended period of time because it can, it can get, uh, basically bacteria in it and you eat it and you could, you could get very, very sick. Uh, I want to, I do want to say though, the reason why they said it is because it was a company policy because McDonald's, when I was, and I don't know how it is now, but when I was a kid and working

there, they didn't want you making anything. So back then there, I know that now they keep things in like weird steamer things, but back in the day they used to just make a Big Mac and put it in a warmer thing. And then you'd walk in and you would say, hey, I'd like a Big Mac. And they'd reach in the warmer thing and they'd give you a Big Mac. When I worked at McDonald's, you were not allowed to just go, I'm going to make myself something to eat and make yourself something fresh. You had to grab something off of the line and eat that. You couldn't just, if there was no fish. Yeah, no, you weren't allowed to make a thing when I worked there. Could you buy it? You could, yeah, you could buy it,

but they fed you a food. So they allowed you to have one sandwich, a fry and a, you know, a drink when you, when you pull the shift. So they would, they would allow you to do that. And they would say, you know, we'll allow you to do that, but you got to pull something off the thing.

So if you're making a bunch of, so what you would do is you would make a, but before you go in on break, especially if you're working the grill and you need one and a quarter pound, you just make a bunch of quarter pounders before you go on break. Then you put one in there and then you get a fresh quarter pounder. That's what you do. But you know, so there's an easy way around it, but they wouldn't let you make the food and they didn't want you eating things that you would have to make essentially. So they were, they were very, very strict about that. And the lady yelled at me specifically because she didn't want us eating the food because it's

a bad precedent to set. If they set the things down and they say, yeah, you can have what's left over, then you might pull it out a couple minutes earlier. You might take it back and then bring another one out. You might take it back when there's one roll in there or two rolls and bring it back to your friends behind the... So they never wanted to encourage people eating the product because they, their, their margins, I guess are probably pretty slim there and they don't want, you know, a bunch of teenagers just fucking eating cinnamon roll after cinnamon roll. So they, they discouraged it. And I understand why they did it. I just also understand that I couldn't work in a place that would forbid me a cinnamon, a cinnamon roll. That's just, that is a quittable offense. Fuck you.

That's all I'm saying. I will say, Cecil, I don't know how slim their margins are, but I know if I had free access to cinnamon rolls, I would not be slim at all. It would not be slim. It would not be slim at all. No.

We got a message from Tom and Tom had said, Tom was saying, hey, you guys said that they broke a Walgreens window or set a garbage can on fire. But I saw wide swaths of devastation from the George Floyd protests. And I was using hyperbole when I said that.

I was using, there was definitely deaths from the George Floyd protests this summer. Heck, even conservatives went out there and racked up a few deaths. Kyle Rittenhouse got a, he bagged a couple. But, you know, there there was also there was definitely

people who got murdered by the police that happened as well and then there was people who wound up getting caught up I know I was reading through a bunch of different deaths that went through some police officers lost their lives this summer because of it or at least they try to link it to it I don't know how linked it is

I know that there was a drive by on some police officers and they're trying to link it to the protest. But in any case, there were deaths and there was also lots of devastation, lots of destruction. But that destruction was very localized. I know that coverage outside of the United States made it look like the entire United States was just this burning crisp.

But I lived two blocks from where the riots took place downtown in Chicago. And that stuff was cleaned up in a half an hour, couple hours, you know, the next day it was cleaned up. Um, you know, sure. We, we had some boards on windows for a little while and I think they were there for preventative measures more so than anything else. Um, but they, they were replaced relatively quickly and, you know, things were back to normal within a very short amount of time. So, uh, so I, when I, what I, the thing is, is that, that people are pointing out, they're saying, you know, that there's, there's, uh,

nobody did what they did. Nobody did what the insurrectionists did. Nobody had the intent that the insurrectionists had to, to kidnap people. Hell, the Portland mayor or something, some, one of those big mayors, maybe Seattle or Portland or something, went out and literally talked to the Black Lives Matter people and they shouted him down, but they didn't kidnap him. They weren't going to kill him, right? They weren't going to try to murder him. So there's a big difference between what those people were doing and the people that were marching this summer. And I know people are trying to equivocate and trying to put those together. And I know you're not doing that, Tom. Not you, Tom. Tom, patron Tom. But I know you're not doing that, but there are people out there who are trying to say these are the same things.

These are exactly the same things. And if you aren't upset with the destruction over the summer, then you shouldn't be upset with what happened at the Capitol building. But those are totally, they're for totally different reasons and totally different things happened.

And five people died in that thing. And there are 30 people, they're trying to pin 30 people, 30 deaths on all the protests over the summer with 20 million people protesting. So 6,000 people protest and five people die. And one of them is a cop who got beat to death with a flag. Well, also look at the spaces that they were occupying and what the goals are. Like if during the George Floyd protests, if they break into, to your point, they break into a Walgreens and fuck up a Walgreens,

that doesn't potentially unseat democracy. Yeah. There's a really, and I know again, Tom, you're not making this point, but there's a massive, massive difference. If you break into the Capitol building where literally all of the government is working today with the intention to murder all of the government is working today with the intention

to murder members of the government, that's a really big difference in terms of your goals and the potential effect versus I broke into a Walgreens and I stole some shit from the pharmacy. Yeah. Right. It's just a wildly, wildly different set of goals and the repercussions don't even scale a little bit. And I want to, again, third time iterate. I know you're not making that argument, Tom. I know that that's not what the argument you were making. You were making a very simple comparison argument. I know you're not making that broad argument that we were just, but that is a very common argument that I'm hearing a lot and we just wanted to address it. Okay. Well, that's going to wrap it up for this week. Remember to join us for a live stream upcoming week, this upcoming week, 9 PM central, uh, come hang out

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