Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 576: Borrow a Cup of Death

Episode Date: May 10, 2021

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It's political. And there is no welcome mat. This is episode 576. And for those of you who are counting, Trump is still not allowed back on Facebook yet. Fuck you. Six more months and then they really decide. Trump got kicked off of Facebook.

He got banned from Twitter permanently, because fuck you. And he kind of saw that coming, because he had this, like, pissing match with Jack Dorsey for a long time. But Facebook was kind of different, and Zuckerberg is different than Dorsey. And on January 7th, he got kicked the fuck off of Facebook, and they called it an indefinite ban. Facebook and they called it an indefinite ban. And then Facebook evidently has this like fucking star chamber that they use to make, to like outsource all of their ethics because as a company, they can't decide what's right and wrong. Mark Zuckerberg,

who is an alien who was conceived outside of a womb and sucked on the teeth of like, like an Android. So there's no way he has any feelings at all in his body. None. None. None. Yeah. So they literally created like their own little version of a Supreme Court. And then it's supposed to be this entirely separate board, but it's bullshit because they created it. They fund it with their own trust and they make up all the rules that govern it. So at any

point they could change the monopoly game, right? So they outsource their ethical decisions to a third party group that they own, but it's somehow separate, but they pay for, but they kind of don't pay for it because the trust administers the money. And then the group was like, all right, well, we'll decide. That was January 7th. Fast forward to fucking May 6th or whatever fucking date it is. Fucking five months. This is the decision it took them five months to come to. No. Well, the ban was appropriate on the 7th, but the indefinite part doesn't work for us because your policies either say a permanent ban or a temporary ban.

You never actually spelled out in your policies an indefinite ban. So you guys are going to have to decide what to do next. Five months it took them to get to a unbelievably semantic reading of the rules. I could have banged that shit out in the better part of an afternoon. January 7th by like 4.30, I'd have had that done. Man, where do I put my resume in for Facebook ethics guy? Like, I got a degree in philosophy.

I mean, I could figure this out. And a master's in new media. You're really qualified. I'll be a Facebook ethics guy. Hook me up, man. I'll be your face. And look Hook me up, man. I'll be your face. And look, here's the thing. I'll even throw in once in a while. I'll lean over to Zuckerberg and tell him to blink for free. I'll just be like, don't lick your eye in public and

blink. Those are your two. That's my two ways that you could be more human blink and don't blink. Don't blink left to right. You know, his eyes do the left to right blink? Do the up-down blink. Those would be the ways. Just hire me, Zuck, and I could do this for you. No more, just, you know what, Zuck, until you have pupils that dilate properly, we're not, you're not on. No. You're with your weird

dead black eyes. What the fuck is wrong with you? He is terrifying. He's like, he's like, he's like if Species was a nerd. Like, that's what he is. Yeah, it's like he's like he's like if species was a nerd like yeah it's like species but you gotta pay to fuck it that's the thing he's gotta pay you yeah yeah that's actually yeah oh my i would love to be on the facebook ethics board too like my first day i just walk over just pull the plug out, walk out the door. I'm like, all right. Tom literally writes a match and throws it on the server.

Just lights on fire. Everybody's frantically saving their photos. In a desperate attempt to save their photos. Well, my work here is done. Just whistling like making the world a better place as i walk out the door a week later it's fight club you're trying venison on a fucking street so it's six more months i guess if zuckerberg sees his shadow or something trump sees his racism. They have six more months to make a decision.

What new information do you need after the insurrection? It's literally the easiest decision in the world. You're a horrible person. You were incited at an insurrection. You're an unbelievable racist. You're gone. Done. You either know where you're at on this issue or you don't.

There's nobody who after five months is like, I'm still a little undecided on that one. How is it that on our fucking secret Facebook group or whatever that we have, the fan page, someone posted something about like a cracker of some kind. And Facebook thought they were talking about a slang like racist for white person they took the post down because they had something about a cracker and they cut it off they even let it out there how does trump get past that how does he even get past the bots man dude YouTube demonetized us for something, something we don't know why. We don't even know what we did.

They won't even tell us. They won't even tell us what we did. And the hilarious thing is, we think, we genuinely think it's because we did a show about the Suez Canal, and I can't even say what it was about because they're super hypersensitive about it, right?

But go look back a couple weeks we did a show about the Suez Canal and we were like 100% making fun of that idea and then they

pulled that show down off YouTube. Yep. And then after that, ever since then, they've been really weird with us. We're just like, we're not harassing anybody.

We're not, other than maybe calling Ted Cruz an alien or Zuckerberg an alien. We didn't incite an insurrection and then call the rioters very fine people with a special place in America's heart or

whatever. Get the fuck out of here. What the fuck? So six more months. Just in time for the midterms. Just in time to gear up for the midterms. Yeah, that's good. And very profitable for Facebook if they let him back on. Very profitable.

I don't know, man. They make money on controversy. So I guess extending the controversy. Let's see if this controversy gets released back. Let's see if they fucking release the Kraken back. Oh, wait. Do you hear that, Cecil? Do you hear it?

That is the death knell of democracy. I can hear it just playing in the background there. Yeah. It plays all the time now it's just it's just a acapella version of bye-bye miss american pie all right so let's do a story this story comes from fox 21 news what the fuck tom I love this story Cec. I read this story and just started grinning. I'm going to unleash you on this story. Go for it. Love has won. Cult leader found mummified. Seven

members charged. That's a great starting place for any story, Cecil. Admittedly, when you were in literature, they always tell you the narrative hook has to hit early. Right. The narrative hook hits early. Boom. It's in literature, they always tell you, you know, the narrative hook has to hit early. Right. The narrative hook hits early. Boom.

It's in there, dude. Yeah. They sunk it in there. But then it falls right out because it's mummified, so it doesn't stay in. It just tears through the papyrus-like cheeks. It just tears right through the flesh. It's just, yeah. Several members of a group called Love Has Won are facing charges after their leader was found mummified in Christmas lights.

I mean, one of them's in the penalty box. They didn't completely win. Love has won. Love has won. How is that your cult? First of all, it's past tense. You cannot have a cult. That's so true.

What are you fighting for? You already won. We just, well, love is one. Well, fucking, I got nothing to do with that. I just, it's very demotivating, actually. Located in Sagawatchee County, Colorado on Wednesday, according to the Sagawatchee County Sheriff's Police, seven members of the Love Has Won

cult have been charged with abuse of a corpse and child abuse. Okay. According to the arrest affidavit, when a I love this so much. When a cult member returned to his home, he found Carlson dead and she was missing her eyes. Oh.

So, okay. All right. So you wake up like, oh, gotta go to work and uh coming home from work and uh hey i bet the leader of my cult would probably be at the house oh that's super shitty she's dead and somebody took her eyes wait you walk in and you just say to yourself i will never be the same ever be the same cecil that means somebody's done scooped out her eyeballs. Yeah, man. Somebody was like, oh man, our beloved leader is dead. After the first eyeball, are you not examining something really important about your life

choices? You know, like when you have scooped out an eyeball from a dead person's skull. You just turn to the other guy, you know, these really are the best part. And they didn't say if they found the eyes, so I don't know. Yeah, who knows?

Maybe they... Once you pop, you can't stop. He also mentioned that the body appeared to be mummified with Carlson's teeth exposed through the lips. And I was like, how long was he gone? He returned home. Mummification isn't like.

Yeah. Was he an over-the-road truck driver? What was going on? Was he like your stepdad that ran out to get cigarettes? What makes me just baffled about this whole thing is that they mummified the body, right? I go to my fridge and I'm asking everybody if they could smell the salami to think it's bad.

I never have enough confidence in myself to even throw away the salami, Tom, let alone mummify somebody and be confident that they're mummified, right? That's a level of confidence I don't think I would ever have to be like,

nope, this body is 100% mummified. I'd be afraid to make my own bacon. Are you kidding me? Did I put too much nitrates in it? Too little? I don't know. Can you imagine, Cecil, the charcuterie plate

that these guys could put together, though? Well, somebody already ate the eyes, so it's like half the charcuterie plate that these guys could put together, though? Well, somebody already ate the eyes, so it's like the ass of the charcuterie plate could have been. Well, that's the best part. You know, you done scooped in the ass. Love Has Won is a group known to take people from all over the world,

according to court documents. I mean, there's only seven members. Let's not get crazy. Yeah, we'll take anyone. We're not actually taking anyone, but we will. We are willing. Do you have one person from every continent? Because you only have seven members.

There's just like the seventh members of Penguin. The Sagawachi County Sheriff's Office has received many complaints from families within the United States saying that the group is brainwashing people and stealing their money and their eyes. I guess also their eyes.

It's a cult. Isn't that just an unwritten rule of the cult? That you just give up all your money anyway and then maybe your eyes? A search warrant was concluded of a lamb boy home and all seven people inside were arrested. Police also found the corpse of a woman in the back bedroom.

According to arrest papers, the mummified remains were found lying on a bed wrapped in what appears to be a sleeping bag. And that made sense because you can get those mummy-style sleeping bags. So that's just... Those are awesome. They're like, you know, what are they, minus 20?

And you just have your little face cut out. You're face sticking out, yeah. You're like, you're a swaddled baby from the 15th century. Somebody took that like way too seriously. Somebody's like, I'll take the mummy bag.

So are you doing some like four seasons camping? No, it's more like a two tank common sort of situation we've got going on.

But it is for a sarcooties plate, so I'm not throwing out four seasons. I'm not throwing out Four Seasons. I'm not throwing that out. The mummified remains to have what appears to be glitter-type

makeup on around the eyes. Yeah, but nothing in them, so it looks like a black hole. Like, what is happening? Oh, there's a deep

eye shadow, though. A deep eye shadow. Smokey eye. And that tastes good on the charcuterie plate the smoky eye that's and it preserves it's it's really man the mummified remains were decorated with christmas tree lights in some sort of shrine there's like a day where you're a cop in sagawachi county colorado and you're just thinking you're gonna have a regular day

being racist maybe killing some people like writing tickets that are unnecessary. Regular cop stuff, you know? And now you got to deal with this shit. Yeah, yeah. You go to somebody's house and they have their cult leader dressed up like a Christmas tree with no fucking eyes. Doctor? I'm here.

Can't you see me? What's that noise? End of the tape. It ran out about 30 seconds ago. I'm here now. Can't you see me? I sent it to its room. This is its room.

Are you my mummy? This story comes from the Kansas City Star. Kansas Representative Mark Samsel arrested for battery after physical altercation with student. And you might be wondering, Tom, why did you bring up this story on your show? Oh, you'll find out because I'm going to read it to you. Quick, read more of it. It's amazing. because I'm going to read it to you. Quick, read more of it.

It's amazing. Kansas State Representative Mark Samsel was arrested on charges of alleged misdemeanor battery on Thursday after getting into a physical altercation with a student while substitute teaching in Wellsville, which is ironic. Samsel, 36,

was booked into the Franklin County Adult Detention Center after 3.30 p.m. Thursday. He's since been released on $1,000 bond because I guess beating up kids, they released on a $1,000 bond. Because I guess beating up kids, they only give you a $1,000 bond. If you're black and were selling

pot, it'd be much higher, I'm sure. You don't get out. They just don't even give you money. Superintendent Ryan Bradbury said that SAMHSA will no longer be allowed to work for the district, so minimum bar clearly covered. On Wednesday, Samuel, a representative from Wellville, was substitute teaching at the Wellsville School District Secondary School.

Throughout the day, high school students began recording videos of the lawmaker talking about suicide, sex, masturbation, God, and the Bible. masturbation, God, and the Bible. In one video shared with the star, Samsel tells students about a, quote, a sophomore who's tried killing himself three times, adding that it was because he, quote, has two parents and they're both females. He's a foster kid.

His alternatives in life were having no parents or foster parents who are gay, Samsel tells students. How do you think I'm going to feel if he commits suicide? Awful. Way to make that about you, dude. In another video, Sam Soul is recorded telling students, quote, make babies. Who likes making babies? That feels good, doesn't it?

Procreate. You haven't masturbated? Don't answer that question. God already knows. What the fuck, dude? What class was he teaching, Cecil? What is happening? Can you imagine sitting in this class?

I would literally treat it like a tornado drill and hide under my desk for the rest of the hour. I would not come out. Not even close. He could not get me out of there. With all this masturbation, it sounds like an active shooter. That's all I'm saying.

Siri, when I had substitute teachers when I was in school, they just made time. Like substitute teachers, they came in, they were hungover. They just got called like 20 minutes before the class started. They didn't say anything. We're going to show a video. I'm going to put my head down on the desk

and pretend you're not here and collect my $119. Almost every time. I remember growing up, and this was only in high school because I don't know that I even paid attention in any school before that if there was a substitute. But I remember in high school, what the substitute would do is

if it was in gym and it was a substitute, it was a free day. So it was essentially whatever you wanted to do. You wanted to play basketball, shoot the hoop. They would literally just roll basketballs and hockey shit out and whatever you wanted to do, he'd just be like, the guy would just be sitting there.

He wouldn't do anything. You just watch him play. It's Lord of the Flies. Yeah, didn't matter. Literally, you cut a kid's head off and put it on a stick. Doesn't matter. Then for any other class,

it was either a test or it was like a study hour where they gave you a little thing and you had to do it. So like you said, a film strip and then a short quiz or a, because that guy, that guy or gal never taught us anything. I don't remember them standing up and saying, okay, guys, we're going to go over this math problem. If there was math problems, the teacher literally would just say on the board, it would say, go over math

problems six through 12. Look at the answers. The answers are in the pad that he's going to hand out. And then there's these. And so you would just have a workday in class where you just do it. I don't remember them ever saying anything. I would have been shocked. I would have been weirded out if they would have started. I'd be like, you're not my guy.

Shut up. You're not my guy. Because like, unless it's a long-term substitute for like a long-term illness or a planned outage or something. They just got called. They don't know the material. They don't know where you're at in the lesson plan.

They're punting. So they're babysitting you for 50 minutes until they can move on to the next set of kids. They're not talking about procreation. You're watching who fucking sewed the flag or something. That's what you're watching. fucking sewed the flag or something. That's what you watch. Videos shared with the star by parents of students in the class show Samsel focusing

most of his attention on one male student. Both Samsel and the student paced around the classroom, talking back and forth. Samsel is shown following the student around and grabbing him. In one video, he puts his arms around the student and says that he was being hard on him. At one point, Samsel tells the student, quote,

you're about ready to anger me and get the wrath of God. Do you believe me when I tell you that God has been speaking to me? He then pushes him and the student runs to the other side of the classroom. You should run and scream. Again, this is a lawmaker for the state of Kansas, also playing substitute teacher, also obviously insane. Also, yeah, obviously unhinged.

Like, genuinely, watch this video. That kid is, the kid is nervously trying to laugh and get away, but he's nervous. You could tell the kid's nervous. Yeah. And doesn't he need the kid in the balls in a second, too? Yeah, and in another video,

it tells students, class, you have permission to kick him in the balls in a second too? Yeah. And in another video, he tells students, class, you have permission to kick him in the balls. Parents told the star that Samsel put hands on the student and allegedly need him in the crotch. In a video apparently taken immediately after the incident, the student is shown on the ground, Samsel standing over him saying, did it hurt? He then asked him why he's about to start crying, pats him on the shoulder and apologize. Then he says, he can go to the nurse and she can check it for you. Then he addresses another student and says,

do you want to check his nuts for him, please? What the fuck is happening, man? This guy, you, how many people in Kansas chose this guy? You cast a vote for him and then the superintendent interviewed him for a job was like, well, students are the most vulnerable

population we have. So, yeah, I guess, just don't kick him in the nuts. You know what? Kick him in the nuts a little. You're a lawmaker.

What is your policy on ball torture? Because I'm just curious what that is. You know, what does the sergeant at arms do when you guys go, do you guys get kicked in the balls

when you're at the rotunda or whatever the fuck they have in Kansas? What is your ball policy? You've got to have a testicular policy around it. I didn't see anything in the handbook specifically around testicle punching. That was not. I looked in the

index under testicle. I didn't see anything. But he does defend himself. He does defend himself, Cecil. So I would be remiss if I didn't read. You can include it, Tom, for sure. Yeah, I got to read the part of this because, you know, two sides to every story, right? In a Snapchat post shared with the star, because that's now how lawmakers respond to journalism, By the way, we Snapchat it to them. Snap people.

Okay. Snap. Yeah. I wonder what fucking filters he was using. Like they have like dog ears on when he did it. Like his chin's just two balls. It's like, he's like, I wouldn't hurt a fly. And he's got like the poop emoji flies, budging,

buzzing over his head. Balls on his chin. Ball torture himself. Snapchat. He said it was all planned. Quote, every little bit of it. That's right.

The kids and I planned all that. I'm going to, I'm going to yell when he capitalizes because the capitalization is so random. Yeah. That kid, that kid planned getting kicked in the balls. I'm sure. Kids love to get kicked in the balls by their teachers.

I can't tell you how many times I was like, man, I wish a substitute teacher would knee me in the junk. We're never getting back on YouTube. Thank you. Oh, too late. I'm going up. All right, there's another lift. Ward 26.

And watch out for the disinfectant. Watch out for what? The disinfectant. The what? The disinfectant. Oh, you'll find out. A school nurse in New Jersey who claimed masks were not effective in protecting against the coronavirus and suggested requiring children to wear them is inhumane has been suspended. Erin Pine, who refused to wear a mask herself while on the job at the school, said she was suspended by the Stanford Township School District. And Cecil, when I read that, I first was like, why is she even allowed to go to work? If you're a nurse, shouldn't you set an example? But also, doesn't a workplace, my workplace, for example, Cecil, is masks required. And if any of my employees show up not wearing a mask,

they have to put a mask on. If they don't put a mask on, they're fired, I guess. Everybody has done it. Yeah. Nobody's pushed you on it. Yeah. What they can't do is say, I'm going to stay at work and not wear the mask. That's not how being the boss works. You can make rules. Yeah. And then the employees follow those rules. Yeah. That's just how that works. It might be different with state institutions. It might be different. Yeah.

Yeah, maybe. It just seems insane. It does. It feels crazy to me too. It's funny. I went to Home Depot the other day. And as I went to Home Depot, I come walking up as another couple are walking

out. So we're walking in and a couple are walking out and it's like a biker guy and his wife. And he takes the mask off and he screams to the fucking crowd that nobody's there except for me. I'm already past him, but he makes a big deal and he sort of yells really loud I can breathe again I can breathe again and I'm just thinking to myself like nobody fucking cares dude literally nobody cares

that you didn't want to wear it that it bothers you that you have to wear it nobody cares like literally nobody cares but you know what you didn't do? you didn't walk in there without a mask you made a big deal about it in the parking lot

that's what you did because you know that you were going to walk in there and you were going to be impotent because you're in the part of the country now that's close enough to a major city where that shit isn't tolerated, where if you walk in there, they're just going to fucking send you on your way. You can make a big stink of it, but it won't do anything. So you have to wait until after you did all the things you wanted to do at Home Depot to get outside and then make your statement. That's what you got to do. Well, if that's what it takes, great. Nobody cares. The end. He was like a biker guy. He's like a big biker guy. Yeah. I wonder if, was this, was this biker gang, the drama Kings? Because that sounds super drama King. It's like, Oh my gosh. Yeah. Okay. super drama. It's like, yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

Okay. All right. That's real exciting there, big guy. Now that the danger, now that you've gotten what you've wanted, now you can have your little moment. That's awesome. It's like a little kid. You know, why don't you throw yourself on the tarmac

and kick and scream and, you know, we'll see if you get a lollipop. It's like when you were in high school and you would flip off the building that you used to, like your school. school right and you'd reach your hand out and you'd flip your school off as if the entire class and or class uh and all the teachers and the president were all looking out the window at the same time to go i can't believe he flipped us off you know it's it's the same thing. It's ineffective. It's useless.

It's just, all it is there is performative. It's just you to perform to show that you disagree or whatever. It's like, whatever. Those kind of people tend to have, you do that when you're a young person because when you're a young person, you mistakenly believe that you are the center of the show, right? That you are the star of the movie of the world and that everybody else is an extra. Yeah. And then at some point in all of our lives, we realized that like, we are all extras in everybody else's life. Yeah. That you are, you are only the star of the show for your life and that you are an extra or maybe a supporting cast member in a handful of other lives. Right. But people don't understand that like when they're young. And so they're flipping

it off because in their mind, there's always an audience. There's always an audience. Somebody to your point, somebody is watching at this moment. So their act of silly rebellion is being viewed and your whole life is a Truman show when you're a kid right right right exactly there's still adults who haven't figured out that like you're an extra no one's watching you everybody forgot about you nobody knows your name yeah nobody cares to learn it they just don't know you know who cares you're a silly anecdote at best yeah you know

and it's it's performative for no one that's the thing too it's like I'm the guy going in who cares I can't even change policy

at fucking home defense yeah are you gonna what am I gonna did you happen to do it in front of the CEO that was walking in or whatever

anyway in a YouTube video posted last week, Pine said of the children in her district, quote, the masks, unfortunately, don't prevent them from getting COVID because the viruses are so small, it can't be stopped by the mask. Yeah. All right. Well, I guess if the viruses were the only thing that the mask stopped and not rest, it's not even the argument. Yeah, it's not even the argument. Yeah. It's not even the argument. What's crazy to me is that somebody went to school

for a long time. It's not easy to be, it's not an easy thing to become a nurse. You can't just go in and you've got to go through a great deal of schooling. It's a whole degree program, right? It's a whole degree. It's an extensive training program

that you have to go through. And they somehow got through all that and they still don't understand how we, because it feels like it would be important to know how things spread. It feels like it would be important to that profession to understand the difference, what a mask is actually doing. It would seem like that would be an important thing to know. It would seem that way, but it's amazing how much motivated reasoning and deciding

ahead of time what you believe will color all of your... It'll just destroy your educational experience. Absolutely. Your outcomes too, because I know people who went into nursing anti-vax and they're still anti-vax. They're 100% still anti-vax. They went into nursing anti-vax and they're still anti-vax. They're 100% still anti-vax. They went into nursing anti-vax,

nothing changed their mind because there's not any curriculum in there to try to convince you that vaccines are safe. They just presume you're a normal person. They just presume you think. They just presume you knew ahead of time like 95% of the rest of America

that vaccines save lives and that they don't, they're not harmful, right? They're not a, you know, overwhelmed. And when I say harmful, I, like Cara Santamaria was right last week when she said there are vaccine side effects. Sure, there's vaccine side effects. For instance, with the Johnson and Johnson, it was more likely that you'd win the lotto than get one of these vaccine side effects, right? It was more likely that you would be struck by lightning than get one of these vaccine side effects. So yeah, they happen, but they're so infrequent that they're considered, you know, not to be something that anybody should ever be concerned with. You have a better chance of being in a plane crash than having one of these vaccine side effects. And so, and we take all

those other risks all the time, right? We leave when it's fucking lightning out. We fly in planes. We fucking ship money at a dude for a lot of once in a while. We do all of those things, right? And we don't ever think twice about them. But you know, when it comes to vaccines, that's when it's the big deal. That's when it's the problem. And that's a perfect example here is, you know, when it comes to vaccines, that's when it's the big deal. That's when it's the problem. And that's a perfect example here is, you know, you go into that with that mindset and then you never change it. In the video, Pine said, forcing a child to wear a mask amounts to child abuse. Why do they think this? Do they put a ski mask on their kid in the winter? Do they wrap their kids face in a scarf once in a while? I will say, and I know this is anecdotal, I got four fucking kids and they do not give a shit about wearing masks. They don't care at all. They age from six to 15. They don't care at all. They put a mask on and it's become

a commonplace enough part of their lives that they'll walk in the house still wearing it. They're not like ripping it off like, oh, I can breathe again. Like you're a person that- They don't give a shit. They don't care. They forget. They'll let go about their day. They'll run and play.

It's not, it's socks, man. It's fucking wearing socks. It's not that big a deal. But in this case, it's socks that maybe don't kill somebody else. I just don't get the push, man. I don't understand the pushback. And I don't, and it's, and it. And I thought at first that the pushback against masks was all toxic masculinity. I thought that was going to be the pushback because it made you look weak. I thought that's what the pushback was when I first, you know, last year. That's what it felt like to me. Whenever I was around anybody who didn't want to wear a mask, they also just happen to be very toxically masculine,

right? So to me, I thought, well, that's the tie, right? But it's not just that. There's so many people that don't want to wear masks and they feel like it's some kind of weird infringement. There's other people who say like, it gets you sicker. They'll just make shit up that doesn't make any sense. It's crazy to me that the pushback on the masks and it's, and it's, and it's also xenophobic too. You know, that's the other thing too, because other cultures do it all the time, all the time. And we're seeing it in our culture as being effective. And that makes us feel weird. Well, I think, I think there's so many pieces of it. See, so I think, I think there is a strong toxic masculinity element to it for sure. Men are, by the numbers, men are less likely to wear masks than women are. So there's definitely, I think, that element. I think you're absolutely right about that. I think that was astute last

year. I think there is conflating discomfort with something new with the idea that that thing is harming you. So when you first start wearing a mask, you got to find one that you like, you got to find one that fits comfortably. It feels a little warmer. And so it can feel like, oh man, it's harder to breathe. It's not actually harder to breathe. It's just that the air is moister and more warm than you're used to breathing. So it takes a little acclimation, but people are like, oh my God, I'm breathing in my own, you know, carbon dioxide. And I'm, they don't know how, they don't know anything. Yeah. They don't know anything. And they're, so they're conflating

their discomfort with a series of, you know, trying to explain it with a series of nonsensical, fantastical explanations that have no basis at all in reality. Right. And then it's been obviously politicized. It marks you. I read this really interesting article earlier today, like later this afternoon, that people, and I feel this way,

people who are vaccinated, who are allowed to be in spaces without masks on, feel reluctant to remove their masks. And part of the reason is they've just acclimated to wearing a mask. And so it feels like taking your socks off in public. It's a little weird. But part of it is that the mask has come, unfortunately, to mark us as members of a group, right? And so for me, a mask says, I believe in public health. I believe in science. I believe in public safety. I don't want to be confused with that idiot that doesn't. And I have no way to demonstrate, I have no way to like signal, I have my vaccine. I believe in these things.

So I want to model good behavior. And I want to, you so it's it's unfortunately that's become so fucking crazily politicized that wearing a mask or not wearing a mask has come to become this marker of your politics and your relationship cecil with reality yeah pain said forcing a child to wear a mask amounts to child abuse and cause anxiety and depression due to what she described as the altering of how young children learn how to be adults by recognizing faces and facial expressions. Making these kids wear them for six or seven hours a day is awful. Stephanie Severa, an expert on epidemiology at Montclair State University, told NJ.com, Pines' claims are false and are a prime example of misinformation entering the mainstream of public life during the pandemic. And when I was thinking about this too, Cecil, part of the problem too is

that we don't draw clear enough distinctions between the different types of medical professionals, right? And then we were saying like, she's a nurse and a nurse is a legitimate and highly skilled and highly valuable part of the medical profession. But, you know, I was thinking about this in relation to like your car, right? So I had, my nanny crashed my car the other day, a few months ago. And when she crashed the car, I took it to a body shop. I took it to a body shop because they're experts in fixing the body damage of the car. I didn't take it to my local mechanic because my local mechanic isn't a body shop guy. And when I want my oil change, I take it to the oil change place. I don't take it to the body shop place. And when I want a new alternator and I take it to the mechanic and I don't take it to

the oil change place or the body. There are, we accept different levels and it's not higher or lower. It's just, we accept that some people are experts at parts of a car and not experts at all of a car. Sure. That's true of the medical profession, but as we've seen in the pandemic, any sort of medical credential is able to be leveraged in order to make some kind of political point about the pandemic and about the response to the pandemic. The only people who we should be listening to are infectious disease specialists and epidemiologists. They are the only ones experts in virus and social medicine right like your gp is not an expert in this no they're not no you're like gastroenterologist is not an expert in this your

gastroenterologist is a fucking gastroenterologist now they are better qualified than like me sure but they are not the expert they are are not an epidemiologist. So your expertise should come really from a really small number of sources. Yeah. The problem is like you get people that have any kind of medical credentialing at all and they're looked to as a position or a figure of authority.

Yeah. And it's confusing. Everybody's treated as a monolith in that. Right. It's one monolith. Right. Yeah. Super confusing to the public.

And it's tough too, because they carry the weight. They're basically standing on the shoulders of all those other people and they carry the weight. Every single person carries the same level of weight. So when a nurse says something, there's an issue and they'll say something like fucking tragically stupid, like this person says, and other people will hear it and say, yeah, that nurse, she knows what she's talking about. She's in the field. She knows what she's talking about. She carries with her sort of a de facto bit of validity

that she could stamp on anything she wants to make it, people think that it's got some weight to it. And it doesn't. She just doesn't, she doesn't, she knows probably less than you do, right? About this stuff. Right, yeah. Well,, about this stuff. Right. Yeah.

Well, clearly this person does. Yeah. Clearly this person doesn't even know how masks work. This sort of thing is tough because, you know, you'll hear about a story like this and there'll be plenty of people that are anti-maskers that will cling on to a story like this and say, see somebody out there fighting the good fight. Yep. Yeah. I read something just the other day. It was like, oh, my 90-year-old neighbor or something, it was some anecdote. It was something like, oh, my 90-year-old neighbor was a family medicine doctor back when doctors

made house calls and actually did some good and they're not getting the vaccine. And I was just like, great. That doesn't mean anything. But it means so much to that person because that person is a doctor and not just a doctor. That person is the kind of doctor they wish they had. That person is the kind of doctor that in their mind had relationships and did... And I'm just like, holy shit, this person probably hasn't practiced medicine. They're 90. They probably hasn't practiced medicine in 90. They probably haven't practiced medicine in 20 years. It's also a story like, I fucked a girl by Niagara Falls.

Who cares? I know. It's literally like, there's no way to substantiate. Some rando that you said you know said something. Get the fuck out of here. I had my finger in a girl from Niagara Falls. Sure you did, buddy. Whatever you say. Get the fuck out of here.

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How much blood will spill until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning? Sit down and talk. This story comes from KATV News. This is just so fucking sad and fucked up. Tests from 1993 killing reveal another man's DNA other than executed Arkansas inmate. This is just horrible. There was a man, there was a killing, sounds like a very awful killing in 1993 in Arkansas. And there was a man who was put to death relatively recently, Cecil. So this man was

murdered by the state of Arkansas in 2017. He was the last of four people put to death, executed in the state of Arkansas. Arkansas incidentally had to stop putting put to death, executed in the state of Arkansas. Arkansas, incidentally, had to stop putting people to death because pharmaceutical drug makers are not willing to continue to make the drug cocktail that was used for lethal injections. And so in some states, they stopped and said, well, we're not going to punt and use something else. So the state of Arkansas stopped its executions in 2017. It says in this, it said that their supply of lethal injection drug had expired, which was why they didn't do it in Arkansas.

So in Arkansas, they literally read, they looked at it, they're like, you know, the prescription for our lethal injection drug ran out, so we're not going to do it anymore. You would think in Arkansas they would just go to another hillbilly state and borrow a cup of death, right? Can't you just not? Hey, y'all, are you in there? Can I borrow a cup of your death?

I just got a couple more folk to kill, and I know you down here also like to kill folk too in the name of the government. Is there any way I could just borrow a cup of death? I'll just use a half a cup, a half a cup of death and we can murder

plenty of people up here with that. It's also like, well, it's expired. Oh, we don't want to take expired drugs. They could be dangerous. You're killing them. You don't want to have a bad effect. Whatever you do.

What? You don't want to have a bad effect with the gun do. What? You don't want to have a bad effect with the guy. You're killing this man. Oh, it says, the best if used by date on our murder drugs is over. Oh, yes, this won't be ideal. You know what? Wasn't going to be that great no matter what.

Yeah, it wasn't going to be a stellar experience no matter how you put it. Yeah, I don't think you have to worry about getting a fucking bad review on Trustpilot, okay? Just- I will say though, hats off to, you know,

you don't have a lot of good things to say about pharmaceutical companies, but once in a while, that's a good thing. That they're not going to make that drug anymore, right? Because the government shouldn't be in the, I mean, I'm a firm believer the government should not be

in the business of murdering its citizens. I think that's a bad call. And I also think that we've never got this right. We've never got this right for so many years. You know, we might have gotten lucky, but we've never gotten it right. Yep. Yeah. This guy, there is no

physical evidence linking him to the crime that he was convicted for that he was murdered for 1993 man we just got around to testing the dna yeah how fucked is that if you have dna and you're about to be executed i get it in 1993 dna wasn't a thing the way dna is a thing now so okay but it's fucking 2020 we test it Why didn't you test it in 2017 before you put these fucking chemicals in this man's arm and killed him?

And this guy's picture- When you want to double check. This guy's picture of him looking at the camera, 100% is saying, motherfucker. Here I am going to die. Motherfucker, here I am going to die for nothing. I didn't do anything, you know? And I've read countless stories of prosecutors putting up a fight when Innocence

Project and other defense attorneys seek to have old evidence tested with DNA. They've got these convictions. They want their convictions to stand. They fight having this stuff done. The state is not in the business of making sure it gets it right, right? Be very clear about that. The prosecutors are in the business of making sure their fucking convictions stand. Yeah, yeah.

They are not saying, because the state should be, the state, if the state was really interested in justice, the state would say, before anybody gets put to death, we are going to review the physical evidence, see if there's anything we can DNA test, because how important is it to get this right? And defense attorneys and innocence project attorneys, they have to work their balls off, and they have to fight uphill. And sometimes they lose in their attempt to get evidence

tested with DNA, because if that evidence is exculpatory, their guy walks. That should be the goal of everybody. That should be the goal of the prosecutor, Cecil. The prosecutor should want the wrong guy to walk free so they can do their job of prosecuting the right guy. But they don't. Because the system isn't about justice.

No, it's not about it. It's about making us feel better about those people suffering. That's what it's about. It's about vengeance. It's about making the victim, because it's always, it always rolls back uphill to the victim. They always say, well, it's about giving the victim peace. No, it's not. It's about giving the victim

an eye for an eye. That's what it's about. And that's not, and many victims don't even want that. Many victims don't even, they And that's not, and many victims don't even want that. Many victims don't even, they don't, they don't, they don't want that thing. They don't want that person to die. Right. I don't know what I would say in that situation. I can't say, but I, I am going to say that, that there are many people who come out and say they don't want that person to be murdered. They don't want that person to be murdered by the state. I don't know where I would stand on that. I'll be perfectly frank.

I don't know where I would stand on that. But as a concept, I am fully against the death penalty. I say the same thing is that I recognize for myself that there's probably a really vast gulf between what I would want personally and what I think is good public policy. And when I've talked about this before, I would worry that

if somebody that I loved were murdered, nobody should go ask Tom what Tom wants in that moment. Right. Tom is not a clear thinker in this moment. Tom is grieving and angry and all of these other things. That is not a moment where we should say,

let's do what Tom wants. Tom should be separate from the equation of justice. And that may sound like a cruel thing to say or may sound like it doesn't take victims into account. But I really do think that we cloud the issue of justice when we overemphasize the victim. We overemphasize because of course the victim isn't thinking clearly. They shouldn't be

thinking clearly and we shouldn't be relying on them to think clearly in the moment. That's mean. It is mean for us to try to rely on those people.

Yeah, I agree. It puts too much on them. How did you get control of humanity? A normal business operation. The company was looking for property in this sector. Earth was running down. It. Ted Cruz. We have tried war, but the use of economic power is far more effective.

Cecil. Yeah. Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz having another rough go. Oh, what a sad story. You hate to see it, Tom. You hate to see it. I just would hope it would matter more.

Like all the awful Ted Cruz stuff that comes out, like his face, for example. You would think just having that face would disqualify you from public service. A couple weeks ago on the stream, we watched him do his impersonations. And if you haven't seen that stream, you need to go check it out.

It's the cringiest shit. We literally couldn't even get Ian to play it. Ian didn't even want to find it. It's so cringey. But he's doing his Simpsons impersonations. And I'm using quotes when I say impersonations because they're not impersonations. Go check it out.

If you get a chance, go check it out. A couple of streams ago, we did it. And it's so fucking cringey and so off because he's fucking so cringe. The guy is's a cringe. He's fucking so cringe. The guy is literally a cringe machine. It's so, it's so bad. I follow Cecil's advice.

No. And if you haven't seen it, I will tell you this. No matter how bad you think it is. Yeah. It is orders of magnitude worse than that. It's so much worse than you think it could be. Do you have a favorite bad impression?

My favorite is the Kang and Kodos because it sounds nothing like Kang and Kodos. I think it's Kodos or whatever. I don't think he does Kang and Kodos. I think he just does one. But he sounds literally nothing like them. When he does Lisa Simpson, all he does is raise his voice a third of an octave and that's the whole impression it'd be

like if i was like wait a minute i'm gonna do lisa simpson this is lisa simpson it's that it's that bad it's that bad it's that effortless it sounds so bad they're they're the worst it's the worst it's the worst five minutes of video and it's think it's only two minutes, but it feels like five minutes of video you'll ever watch. It's so good. All right. So this is his new fuckery. This is from Yahoo. Ted Cruz's warning to woke CEOs blasted by former government ethics boss. This is seriously one of those like the quiet thing out loud moments. Yes, this is exactly it. Yeah. Wow. So here's what he said. After a number of corporations objected, just to give some context, after a number of corporations objected to Georgia's restrictive new voting

law, Mr. Cruz took to the Wall Street Journal to vent his fury. He and other Republicans, he pledged, will not do inappropriate favors in exchange for corporate money this time. Here's his quote. Again, out loud to the Wall Street Journal, not in his diary. Yeah, no, this is it. Nobody broke into somewhere. This isn't a hacked email. This is him writing an op-ed piece. Quote, this time we won't look the other way on Coca-Cola's $12 billion in back taxes owed. How fucking dare you? How fucking dare you? A multi-billion dollar corporation and you're going to look away from a multi-billion dollar tax bill because it's in your best interest?

It's in your special interest to do so? How fucking dare you, man? How dare you? What you have just said is that corporate interests are literally buying favors. Yes. And you named the price. You named it. You named the price of it. You named the corporate. And now you're saying, now, like, you're essentially, everything is wrong. You're extorting Coca-Cola for $12 billion right now and back taxes out loud in front of everybody.

You're exposing the fact that corporations buy privilege from our government. And fuck you, Coca-Cola. You bitches owe me $12 billion. That's my $12 billion. You know what I want? I want a high-speed rail from here to Chicago. That's what I want. Get it done right now. That's $12 billion. You know what I want? I want a high-speed rail from here to Chicago. That's what I want.

Get it done right now. That's $12 billion. Get it done right now. You know what that could do for so many people? Do you know what that... You know, I'm making a joke about a fucking high-speed rail, but there's so much that could happen with $12 billion. So much fucking money, man.

It's so much fucking money. You know, I want to see how much would this be per person. How much does Coca-Cola owe us? That's $12 million, $120,000, $1.2 it's 12 million 120 1.2 12 boom divided by how many people in this country 320 million 330 you think it was call it 330 dude that's 36 dollars for every single human being 36 bucks for every person in america that's 18 cokes that's 18 Cokes. That's 18 Cokes. You motherfuckers owe me an 18 pack of Coke. Fucking A, man. It's ridiculous.

I like Coke Zero if you're listening. He goes on to say more things he should not be saying. Yeah, he should. Someone should have taken the fucking Chromebook away from him much earlier while he was typing this out. This time, when Major League Baseball lobbies to preserve its multi-billion dollar antitrust

exception, we'll say no thank you. This is terrific from Walter Schaub, a former director of the U.S. Office of Government Ethics. This may be the most openly corrupt thing Walter Schaub, a former director of the U.S. Office of Government Ethics. This may be the most openly corrupt thing any senator has ever said. I love that so much.

He goes on. Like, it's such a self-owned. It's such a self-owned. It's the part everyone knows. These crooks sell access. Others have the sense not to admit it this is why our republic is broken immoral politicians selling power we've entrusted to them like it is theirs to sell and then another twitter user i this from the article it's just perfect though another twitter user said announcing you will no longer take bribes isn't the defense you think it is? Holy shit.

And it's true, right? He's fucking literally taking bribes. This is, Ted Cruz is such a fucking weasel though. And you know he's going to get out of it. He's going to distracts and be like, he'll be like, Marjorie Taylor Greene, can you make everybody in the audience do burpees until they puke or something? I'm a sock with slime

in it. Like that's what he's gonna do and nobody's gonna remember it, man. Nobody. He's gonna fucking literally slink under the door because his body has no bones in it. Yeah, you can't pin anything to him because it just slides off.

You cannot touch anything on my skin. It just folds away from you. He's like a Sharpay dog. You try to touch it and it just folds upon a fold upon a fold upon a fold. It's like a chalupa. It just folds and folds and folds. He's an origami black hole yeah that's

what he is it's ridiculous i couldn't believe this when i read what he wrote ted cruz is such a disgusting piece of garbage inside and out he's such a shitty person and he's been a shitty person forever he was just a shitty person who trips over his own dick, but somehow gets away with it all the time. Also, like Cecil, if you're in government, if you're one, because he's exposing not just how he works, but how all of government works. If you're like the rest, aren't you like, dude,

you're not supposed to say that out loud. Mankind needed us. They came to this planet with so many illnesses we couldn't cope so the sisterhood grew its own flesh that's all they are flesh these people are alive but think of those humans out there healthy and happy because of us. If they live because of this, then life is worthless. But who are you to decide that? I'm the doctor. And if you don't like it,

if you want to take it to a higher authority, there isn't one. It stops with me. All right, so this story comes to the New York Times. Taking extraordinary measures, Biden backs suspending patents on vaccines. I thought this was a really amazing thing to do. I read this and my jaw fucking hit the floor, Cecil. Yeah. Patents are a government-issued

protection to business. They are not something that business has a de facto right to. The government has a discretionary authority to issue a patent or not issue a patent. And I just thought it was absolutely incredibly ballsy for Biden to propose giving this to the world, forcing pharmaceutical companies to give this to the world. It flies in the face of big business, and it is 100% the right public health decision, not just for America, but very much for America. Right. But also for the rest of the world. And if we don't do this, my worry is that the rest of the world, and I still think this is going to happen, that the rest of the world takes years and years and years to vaccinate its population, during which time more and more variants become prevalent.

If we don't help the entire world get this nipped in the bud, the fact that you're vaccinated today might not matter next week. Right. And it might not matter in six months. And it might not continue to matter 12 more times. And you're going to have to fight this fight and fight this fight. And in the meantime, people are going to get sick. So it's, it's just, it's a hundred percent the right decision. And I thought it was really fucking brave to do because nobody stands up to pharmaceutical companies, man.

Well, he had said he was going to do it on the campaign trail. So I remember there was an interview. Somebody had asked him, um, it was on one of those town halls, right? With it, he was did a bunch of those town halls before he was elected. And I remember someone had asked him this question, will you do it? And he said, it was the right thing to do. He said, this is the right thing to do. This is the right thing to do.

And I remember for the last five months, I've been seeing a lot of different people that were farther left than Biden post things like this that were saying, look at him. He's in the pocket of big business. Look at how he's in the pocket of big business. He was never going to do this. He never had any intent to do this. And they're fucking wrong. And this is where you're wrong. This is where you got it wrong again. And they've been wrong a lot about Biden. They have. you got it wrong again. And they've been wrong a lot about Biden. So I will say like,

he was not my top choice. I didn't pick him in the primaries. I picked somebody else in the primaries. On that stage, when it first started out, he was my second to last choice. I genuinely didn't want him up there. Go listen to me talk about him

in the primaries too. And I thought he did terrible in some of those primary talks and some of those debates. I thought he looked awful. I thought he looked lost. I thought I was, I was very critical of him, but I will say this. He's proven me wrong about how far left he is because he's doing progressive things that I didn't think he was going to do. And he's making progressive stands that a lot of people didn't think he was going to do. I really wish that there would be some sort of

stand on healthcare, but that of all the things, that's one of the things that, that, that hasn't come up. But most of the other stuff that has been talking about, he's been very farther left than I gave him credit for. And I'm happy that he's there. I want him to be farther left because that's, because that's him being farther left on those things mean he's falling right in line with what people want, what a majority of people want. This isn't like the far lefties want this. This is what a large swath of the American people wants is somebody to be very progressive on several issues.

And he feels like he's fitting a lot of these issues. He's fitting a lot of these issues and he's coming in exactly where a lot of people want him to come in. And so this is one of those moments that I was waiting for him to do, just like the immigration thing. I was waiting for him to do something about it because he said he would. And is he going to be a liar like a lot of politicians and what we expect from politicians, or is he going to do something? And here's an opportunity for him to do something and he's going to do something about it. We're only a hundred and change days into the administration. And the amount of change that he's put forward is astonishing in a hundred and change days. It's an enormous amount.

I mean, and it's literally money where his mouth is. You know, it's trillions and trillions of dollars in social equity proposals that would like absolutely create and establish a new level of social safety nets. This stance where it's like, hey, what's right for the world and what's right for America

may not be right for big business. We're doing it anyway. That just that kind of thinking, you know, when there are people who through the election cycle insisted there is no difference between, you know, Biden and Trump. There is no difference. It's just, you know, a different veneer on the same fucking flavor of bullshit politicians. How many times did you hear that? Oh, yeah. You couldn't be more wrong.

Yeah. You could not possibly be more wrong about that. Even if you don't like, even if he never gets half the things done he's trying to get done, you still couldn't be more wrong. Yeah. Because if Trump was in charge, none of it would be on the table. Yeah. None of it would. Awful shit would be on the table. None of it would.

Awful shit would be on the table instead. Awful shit. If Trump was in charge, you would not have the number of people vaccinated that you currently have. It was a trickle. He didn't know what he was doing. He didn't have anything in place to do it.

And, you know, speaking of vaccines, I want to bring up something that I found this week. NPR did a story on polio vaccine saying anti-vaccination has essentially been with us since vaccines became a thing. There's been anti-vaxxers. How did we overcome the hump when it came from polio? And their main contention in this story is that at that point, science was very revered in the public's eye. It was one of those moments in time where science was really revered. And there was a lot of people that were on board and everybody felt like it was us against the thing, right? It was us against this. It's just coming off the world war.

They're unified. It's us, yeah, they're unified. It's us against this. And the problem with today is that we are still at a place where science is making wondrous things happen. These mRNA vaccines, they're a breakthrough. They are going to change the face of medicine as we know it,

just as antibiotics and vaccines were changing, you know, early vaccines were changing the face of medicine early on when those first medications came out, when those first vaccines came out, they are going to do the same thing for medicine today. That is going to happen. There is going to be mRNA technology that is going to change how we treat sickness. And it's going to be amazing. And we are on the cusp and

it's the exact same feeling. The real problem I think though, is that one, that that's not communicated to enough people. Enough people don't know the wonder or feel the wonder around that and exact same feeling. The real problem, I think, though, is that one, that that's not communicated to enough people. Enough people don't know the wonder or feel the wonder around that and see the possibilities and how great that is and how we are riding a wave of science forward. But then the other thing is, is that we are split when it comes to, it's not us against the thing, it's us against each other and it's and it's reality against non-reality what we were talking about earlier the anti-maskers those people don't live in reality they don't understand how reality works same thing with anti-vaxxers they don't

understand how reality works they think they're going to be stronger than the fucking virus that they can outlive this virus no problem when, when there's plenty of, there's 500 and some thousand reasons why you won't outlive this virus. Like it's not a play thing. And we are at a position in time where that's not a, those, we're not in the same mindset that we were to fight polio that we are to fight the coronavirus.

Yeah, not at all. And, you know, to your point, Cecil, what's distressing is that the real problem that we face is not a medical or scientific problem. We got that licked. We've got that licked. This was initially a medical problem. And then what this should have been, I should say, is a scientific problem, a medical problem, and then a logistics problem. That's what this should have been. The problem that we, the reason we are in the crisis that we will continue to be in, I think, for a decade or longer, is that we bungled the messaging so bad. Now we have a messaging crisis. Now we have a different kind of viral sensation, right? And the viral and the virality of bad messaging

is its own kind of cancer in the system. And that's one that science doesn't know how to fix. And that's one that we don't seem to have a vaccine for. And we are at a place where nothing could have been more important than the early stages of that messaging and that communication and the un stages of that messaging and that communication and the unification of us against this threat.

And we can beat it. And we have this team of fucking unbelievable experts that is standing at the ready with this new technology. And we will build the best vaccine the world has ever known faster. And in the meantime, we'll also build the foundations for a technology that could skyrocket us into a world of better health. And instead of messaging it that way, we turned it into one man's political gain. Yep. And the same thing happened in Brazil with Bolsonaro.

And the same thing happened with a bunch of fucking autocrats all over the country. They took this and they tried to use it for personal gain through messaging. And we have a new system where that shit goes viral. And these viruses now carry next to each other, right? The virality of the message is now carried on the fucking back of the virus or vice versa. And it is a huge problem. Yeah. Messaging problems. It's almost insurmountable. It's so tough to look at and to change the minds now because those people believe everything that Trump ever said. And Trump only was in it for gain. Listen to those Woodward tapes. Listen to him say he knew he knew what it was. He knew what the fuck it was. The moment you listen to those tapes

and you find out that those tapes were recorded in February, man, he was talking about it being something that is passed through the air in February. Yep. He knew. He knew it was way worse than the flu in February. And then he stood in front of everybody and said, ah, it's like the flu. It's not even as bad as the flu.

Yep. He literally said the opposite of what he knew to be true. 10% of all people that get COVID have long haul COVID. 10% huh? 10% of people have long haul COVID. So 10% of people don't get better from it. Like they don't die, right? They don't die, but they don't get better from it.

They continue to have symptoms. 1 in 10 chance. Holy shit. We don't know better from it. Like they don't die, right? They don't die, but they don't get better from it. They continue to have symptoms. Got one in 10 chance. Holy shit. We don't know how long. So you have about a two in 100 chance of just dying outright. Then you have a one in 10 chance of having symptoms of COVID,

which to some degree or another, don't go away, period, end of story. And then they also are not sure, there is a significant body of evidence that suggests that a number of autoimmune diseases are triggered by other viruses, like Epstein-Barr, for example. And there is every reason to believe that COVID will also have autoimmune effects on people. So there will be people with autoimmune disorders. The thing is, if the messaging doesn't get tightened down and doesn't get better, like, yeah, I'm going to raise my hand

and take every fucking booster that they give me. I'm going to, but I could also get sick before the booster comes out. Yep. Yep. There's no guarantee I'll be ahead of the curve, even though I'm saying yes, every time that there's an opportunity to say yes, there's always some group of people that get sick before the vaccine for the new variant, right? That's how we find out that variant exists. So it doesn't even matter if I specifically am super pro-vax and if I sign up and I'm the fucking second guy in line to get every

vaccine, I could still end up with fucking long COVID because of the messaging problem. And that's such bullshit because it didn't have to be this way at all because we have mRNA. Because we have the technology to fucking fix it faster than we ever had before. It did not have to be like this

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We had a lot of interesting comments about Cara Santa Maria coming on. A lot of people really enjoyed Cara's talk. I remember there was somebody on Twitter who said, who had a big thank you talking directly to Cara because Cara had mentioned that needle phobes is a big problem with getting vaccines. And they said that they were having a hard time,

you know, really thinking about that sort of thing and really getting through it. They did get the vaccine, but they were saying they were very, you know, and that's, it's, it's a something that some people find very difficult. And so it's not just anti-vaxxers. There's some people out there that are afraid. And so it's, it's helpful to, uh, to recognize that those people exist and hopefully those people get the help they need to try to get the vaccine. Uh, and, and so it was a good, it was a couple of really good comments there.

Denny sent in a message, and it's a video about Long Cecil and Long Tom with the History Guy on YouTube. And it's a story about guns, two cannons called the Long Cecil and the Long Tom. I got to watch this. I haven't watched it yet, but I might be making interesting citation needed, actually. This will be the first time anyone has ever used Long and Tom

in the same, yeah, it's not. Same sentence be the first time anyone has ever used long and Tom in the same... Same sentence. Not typically the case. We got a message from Joanne, and Joanne said that they're budgeting now, things are getting tight, but they kept the second tier patron at $2 because there's a promise

of a hug, and they will not give up on the promise of a hug. That's so sweet. I hope that we get to meet you, Joanne. I hope we get to meet you. And I, I promise you a huge hug. I will give you a great big two armed hug,

Joanne. Two armed hug. Absolutely. Like a hug should be. We got a message, Tom. This is from Drew. And Drew dug in his messages.

I don't even know. I don't even think they had Gmail back then. I guess they did. Do they even back then. I guess they did. Do they even have computers? I guess they did because it was on, it was critics.podcast. He sent a message about the Big Lebowski and how we didn't like the Big Lebowski. Yeah, man. Big Lebowski's not good.

So I don't know. I still disagree with you. It's a long time. It's 10 years ago. But evidently, Drew sent in a message to critics. Our critic. everyone's a critic podcast. I have not watched The Big Lebowski since I hated it the first time. I'll never see that movie again. I watched

it, I watched it, I think I've seen it three times. I watched it once the first time it came out and I was like, I didn't really like it. That movie didn't hit me where I guess it hit other people. It was quotable for other people and then someone, I didn't really like it. I was like, that movie didn't hit me where I guess it hit other people. It was quotable for other people. And then someone, I remember someone was getting high

and they had said, no, man, you got to watch this. And I said, I didn't really want to watch it. And they said, please watch it, man. And they watched it and they laughed and I just sat there stern face. And then you and I watched it for the show and I didn't like it.

Like I watched it three times and I mean, I gave it for the show, and I didn't like it. Like, I watched it three times, and, man, I gave that movie a fucking college try, and I did not like it at all every time I saw it, period. So it's just not my thing, man. It's not my jam. And I recognize that there are some movies that are just quotable. Like, Anchorman is, when I first saw it,

I didn't like it, but it's super quotable. It's one of those movies that is so quotable and you hear people quote it and it makes you laugh. And so I suspect that that's what Big Lebowski has, is one of those quotable movies. Yeah, I think Fifth Element was like that for me. The first time I watched Fifth Element, I didn't get it.

Now I love that movie and it's super quotable. I think repetition to some degree also creates that love. Yeah. Got a message from Cheryl and Cheryl said, I think we can easily conclude that if there had been no W, we would not have had Trump. And I think that's a pretty safe calculation right there for sure.

Pretty safe calculation. Absolutely. So that's going to wrap it up for this week. We're going to catch you guys next week. Be sure to catch our live streams. We had a lot of fun this last week on live streams. Tom told a wonderful story about his culinary exploits with his father growing up. So you want to catch that on the live stream.

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