Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 601: Vulgarity for Charity 2021 Kick Off

Episode Date: November 8, 2021

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to any topic that makes the news, makes it big, or makes us mad. It's skeptical. It's political. And there is no welcome mat. This is episode 601. 601. I mean, it's like really... It's kind of 602. It's kind of 602. We're kind of cheating. Just pretend it's 601. Everybody just don't... 601. 601. I mean, it's like really- It's kind of 602. It's kind of 602. We're kind of cheating.

We're not doing that one. Just pretend it's 601. Everybody just don't- 601. Just don't look at it. Look, 13's not on your elevator. We took that and put it in 600. We borrowed your 13 out of your elevator

and we put it in our 600. Tom. Yes. We are up upon the season again. I know it took us two years to get here but we are we are

look it doesn't matter how you get here but sometimes you know the journey is sometimes worth talking about sometimes it's not

look we are back though yep vulgarity for cheer vulgarity for look we rested 20 minutes yeah

and we're at it again seriously two full years of doing this. We finished it sometime in September. Yeah, September. Here it is November. But you know, we haven't done an actual

Vulgarity for Charity drive in two years. In two years. So it took us a long time. We've revamped the way that we're doing Vulgarity for Charity so that we can raise as much money for the wonderful organization Modest Needs. Modest Needs, if you're a new listener, if you haven't been with us since

2019, Modest Needs has been the charity of choice for our shows now for, gosh, a long time. You know, not just our shows too, because a lot of people in the atheist community reached out to Modest Needs. We found Modest Needs through Foundation Beyond Belief because they were the ones who were choosing charities

based on secular values. Right. And they found modest needs, which has no overt religious overtones whatsoever. What they do is they find people who are on the verge of, of really going into hardship, financial hardship. They might've just lost their job or whatever. And they have something that is hanging over their head, a bill, rent. It could be a car payment. It could be a gas bill, it could be a roof repair or childcare or whatever it is, but there's one thing that they need money for. See, so isn't it almost always medical bills though? Really, there's a lot. And it's America. Isn't it like 87% medical bills? There's a lot of medical

bills on there. But in any case, this money never touches their hands. What happens is, is modest needs, that's the need. So the people fill out forms, extensive forms, modest needs, that's those forms. And then instead of just like, Bill put up a GoFundMe, so let's help Bill. And you can't really know whether or not Bill needs that money or whatever.

You know, sometimes people, there have been many examples of grifters out there using Kickstarter or whatever, or, you know, GoFundMes. This is vetted by the company, Modest Needs the Nonprofit. And so they look at the bill, they make sure it's there, and then pay the bill directly

instead of sending it to the person who filled out the forms. Does not go back to that person. So it's, one thing you can trust is that it's a vetted source. The person really is in need. And the person is also not a person who's in desperate poverty. This is a person who is in – there are plenty of programs out there to help people like that. These are people who are on the verge of that. And this can help avert

disaster. The great news is I talked to Keith, the person who runs the president of Modest Needs, and I talked to him on a Skype call. Really, just a wonderful guy. I love Keith. He's amazing. We've had him on the show a couple times. He's been on other people's

podcasts too. He's a wonderful guy. He told us that he has a $100,000 match lined up. So that means every single dollar that you give to Modest Needs during this Vulgarity for Charity, every single dollar that goes to them is doubled. It's essentially worth twice as much. The other thing that we're doing,

and Tom mentioned this about the roast, we're not, in the past it was, if you donated $50, you got a roast. We are still at $50 if you want to enter a drawing. Essentially what we'll do is we're going to draw out of everybody that donates, out of everyone, we're going to draw a hundred random people and we're going to do roasts for those 100 random. And then we are also going to take the top 100 donors, monetary dollar wise, and they are automatically going to get their roasts. So if you have a little bit of change sitting around and you definitely want to roast and you want to give it to Modest Needs, you send a copy of your receipt from Modest Needs to vulgarityforcharity, that's the word, not the

number, and it's all one word, vulgarityforcharity at gmail.com with who you want us to roast, what your name is, and then that receipt. So we have proof that you donated, and then we will put you in a giant spreadsheet. And if you're one of the top 100 donors, we're going to do your roast. And if you're one of the people that we pick after those top 100 move on, we're going to do your roast. And so we're going to be doing 200 roasts. There's plenty of slots open.

We would love it if people would start donating. Get this going. It ends Thanksgiving day. And one of my favorite things about Modest Needs is you can go on and let's say you have a hundred dollars to spend and that's your charitable contribution. And you look at something, you say, you know, I'd like to give $20 to this one and $30 to this one and $15 to this one.

You can spread things out and you can contribute to more than one person's cause. So you don't have to just give to modest needs and then they figure it out. You can go on, you can read stories, you can see what moves you, and you can contribute to things that you have a connection with and that you feel personally moved by. And you can distribute your funds however you want to distribute your funds. So that's a really wonderful feature of Modest Needs. And once the funding amount reaches its total, then Modest Needs kicks in and they do the work of paying the bill or getting the person out of trouble

that they find themselves in. Yeah. Last time we did this, we raised $306,000. And so we're hoping to reach $300,000 again. We know that this community is very, very generous. And the other thing I want to mention too, I just finished a book called The Righteous Mind. And in that book, there are studies out there that show that secular people do not give as much as religious people. There's been documented studies that they are not as

cooperative and they don't give as much. Prove this fucking book wrong. Prove them wrong. There's plenty of people out there that have some money that they can give to a charity let's prove this let's prove it wrong because i because i know for a fact that this community is a is very charitable i i that shocks me because every time we've reached out to this community and i will say i i think specifically we have listeners yeah in our world like in our world that are more generous, I think than the larger atheist community as a whole. I really do. I really do because they've shown that time and again.

I think our listeners are, they are very caring people and they recognize when there's need. And there is need. The thing is, is that what's happening now, and this is what Keith mentioned to me, is that we're in this sort of doldrums with charities right now. People are exhausted from giving. They are, they are experiencing giving exhaustion because the last year they had probably their best year ever without us, modest needs day.

Right. Okay. Because people were very anxious to give during COVID. But now we're coming in on this year and he said this year is very, it's been terrible for them, terribly slow for them because people are exhausted. And that's hard. So we just want you to, and you know,

if you have something and you want to give, we hope that you will. Eric, did you just say the F word? You? No, he's talking about fuck. You can't say fuck in school, you fucking fat ass. Kyle. Why the fuck not?

Eric. Dude, you just said fuck again. Stanley. Kenny. What's the big deal? It doesn't hurt anybody. Fuck, fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck. So this story comes from NPR.

Here's what let's go Brandon actually means and how it made its way to Congress. So I had read this story back on Halloween when it came out, and I had never heard the let's go, Brandon thing. But evidently, the people are wearing fucking hats and like fucking Ted Cruz is tweeting out, let's go, Brandon. And it's now become like a right-wing slogan. Yeah. And I was thinking like,

and it's a right-wing slogan that comes from a football game no no so it wasn't a football game it was a race event oh a racing car yeah a race car thing like a stock car thing like a nascar and uh the guy's name he was up there i guess getting interviewed and people were screaming fuck joe biden in the background right but the nbc announcer who's doing this says, I can hear them saying, let's go Brandon. And no one knows whether she was just doing damage control because they have to play the swearing

or if she really just didn't know and thought that's what, because sometimes a crowd is hard to understand when they're chanting. But in any case, they were screaming, fuck Joe Biden. And so the code word for these people now for fuck joe biden is let's go brandon man these guys are just there's just a cohort of america cecil that is just so in love with slogans that fit on fucking hats when you're when you can boil down right like what you're

about ideology is like i'm a t-shirt. That's who I am. I'm on a trucker hat. That's what I'm all about. I'm all about three words on a trucker hat. Tom. Get the fuck out of here. I was at fucking Mariano's or one of those. I was at Caputo's,

which is like Mariano's. I mean, they're both grocery stores. So I was there yesterday night and I come up to the people in front of me and there's the people sitting right in front of me in the line. Right. They don't have masks on.

Now this company since forever has been like, it says it on the door, wear a mask. It's state law still. One or two jackasses will go in without a mask. But for the most part, everybody that I see in there has a mask on. Now don't get me wrong, some assholes have it on their chin,

but for the most part, everybody's got a mask on. These two people in front of me had no mask whatsoever, right? So they has a mask on. Now, don't get me wrong. Some assholes have it on their chin, but for the most part, everybody's got a mask on. These two people in front of me had no mask whatsoever, right? So they had no masks on. And I pull up and I look at them and I just start,

I'm going to start putting my stuff on the thing. And then they pay and they leave. And I'm paying, right? So I'm putting my stuff on. And I have a trainee. So the lady,

the girl who's bringing my shit up, she has, every time she holds up the avocados, she's like, four, four, one, two. And then she does it. So the whole time. So it took me a while to get through.

I had a trainee. This is not, it took me a while. I get out to my car and the jackholes that are still putting their groceries away, which feels like a long time, like a really long time.

And they have two little kids with them. And these are little kids. These are four or five, I'm guessing. I don't know anything. I don't know how old kids are, but they looked really fucking young. And the whole time I was putting my groceries away, they were chanting at me from their car,

let's go Brandon. These two little kids. Are you serious? I'm dead serious. I'm a hundred percent serious. They coax theirax their kids to wait for me because, well, cause I had my mask on. Cause you had a mask on? Cause I had a mask on when I went in. I came out, I took my mask off just like everybody else who should be following the thing. But the thing is like, I don't care. Like, I was just like, yeah, man, I'd say fuck Joe Biden too. Like there's plenty

of times that I, I think Joe Biden did something like, fuck that guy. Like I said it multiple times during the primaries. I was like, fuck Joe Biden. But they coach their kids to taunt me, but it doesn't, it doesn't bother me. I'm just like, I looked at the kids and I smiled and I waved and I put my groceries away and I drove away, but they waited outside for me to taunt me. I wonder why they chose you. I don't know. I mean, I was, I got to be honest, I might've been the only person in the store. It was, it's a,

it's a pretty dead, like ghost town tumbleweed situation at that point. Fair. So I think I was the only person in, but when I walked up, I may have looked at them. Okay. Because you know,

because they're not wearing a mask. It's fucking weird, man. I don't give anybody the stink eye. I don't fucking care, man. Like, like go suck on a toil pipe.

I literally don't care what happens to you. So, like, when I walk up to them, I might have looked up from my groceries, saw they had a mask, and I might have stared at them for a quarter second longer than I would have normally. You know what I mean? But not like, you didn't, like, give them the fucking hard look. I would never do that. Like, that's just a

silly thing. It's not how I operate. I would never do that to somebody. So, I didn't. But their kids were, and they were clearly opening the door and shouting it at me. Dude, to weaponize your kids to taunt strangers about political things is a really weird thing to do, man.

But also, like, let's go Brandon. There's no better person to chant that than a little kid. Let's go Brandon. Because it's like- Let's go, Blandon. Because it's like- It's adorable. When you were a little kid

and you're like, and he threw the ball and the bitch. And someone will say, what did you say? And be like, I said the pitch. I said the pitch. Because when you're a little kid, you want to get away with something.

And this is like fucking adults. They love it. These are adults trying to get away with something. These are adults who are get away with something. These are adults who are like, I said fuck Joe Biden, but I really didn't say fuck Joe Biden.

Just say fuck Joe Biden. What is wrong with you? You do want to say this to these people. You know you can curse. You know you're adults, right? Nobody can take that away from you. You're not on TV right now. But in this story though,

there was a dude, there's senators who are saying it on the floor. I know. So there's senators, but it's like, who cares? Like, I mean, literally, who cares? But that part I care about because it's just like a fucking,

like, you know, it's like when a goddamn dumbass motherfuckers are like, USA, USA, USA. And it's like, you sound like a fucking idiot. You just sound like a fucking mouth-breathing Neanderthal.

You're in the halls of fucking power and you're behaving like a fucking kinder guy. So immature. It's juvenile. It's fucking embarrassing. It is. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing that the Congress people are using it.

And you're right. It is embarrassing. I will say that. But the one thing about this, so I listened to this. I don't know if you listened to this. I did not listen to it. If you get a chance,

go on our notes and listen to this. My favorite show on NPR is Weekend Edition because I love the guy who does it, right? The guy who is the announcer. It's an awesome show. It's like three hours long. But this guy is interviewing a guy from, and this person who he's interviewing,

his name is Hampton Stahl. That's the person's name. And Hampton Stahl is clearly like a Xennial. And this guy's an older guy. The guy who hosts this show is like an older guy. And so he's trying to talk to him about lingo on the internet. It's super fucking funny because at the end of the whole thing, first off Hampton Stahl, by the way, everybody, this guy's from a website called Militia Watch. And I'm just like, why do we need a thing called Militia Watch? What has happened to our world

where we need a thing called Militia Watch number one? But then he's talking to this guy and he's like, so wait a minute. He's trying to get the difference between Karen and something else and he's asking it. And then at the end, you could totally hear the old announcer just be like, okay,

no, that's not like, he's basically like, I'm done with this young person talk. Get him off to there. Get him, cut his line,

cut him off. It's so fucking funny, but it's like, but this, this whole thing has blown up and it is, you know,

language is a code anyway and you're just choosing different, different words for the same thing. You know, it's like, my kids at home, you know, language is a code anyway. And you're just choosing different words for the same thing. You know, it's like my kids at home, they say frick instead of fuck, right? I know. You know what they mean, though. And they're like, oh, frick that. Frick you.

And I'm just like, you're still swearing. You're still swearing. Frick is amazing. You're right there. Like, look, if you stick the're just, you're right there. Like, you're, like, look. I remember the first. If you stick the tip in, you're still fucking. That's okay. Okay?

Not if you don't wiggle it around or whatever. The tip's in, you're soaking in it. Right. No, but the, I remember the first time I ever said like dildo around my mom, she slapped my face so hard. As a kid, I got, I got fucking. I got a great one on that. So, one time, when I was a kid. I got fucking... I got a great one on that. So one time when I was a kid

and I might have told this story. My mom and I were in the car and she had used some choice words earlier in the day and I had said, Mom, what's a cocksucker?

She says, don't you say that. And so later on that day, I'm next door and I'm playing with the kids next door and the kids next door were the worst kids they were the meanest shittiest kids

and my dad always said you can't hit a girl and the little girl knew this so she used to pull my hair all the time she used to walk up and dig her fingers in me and pull my hair because she knew I couldn't hit her and so she did it again and so I screamed at her you cocksuck and then I think maybe her, you cocksucker. And then I think,

maybe I said that a little loud and so I turn and as I turn, Tom, fucking screen door of my house kicks open, poof. Fucking door opens like fucking Arnold's inside. My mom strides out,

boom, boom. The girl's still got a handful of my hair and then I just feel her slowly like and take like three steps back like your water glass is shaking and like she's just like if i don't move maybe it can't send some movement my mom comes over and where that girl was grabbing my hair my mom's hand grabs and she drags me in the house by my hair and i'm screaming i'm like i didn't it. I swear I didn't mean it. Oh yeah, I didn't know what I said.

I didn't know if she sucks cocks. I learned this from watching you. I learned it from watching you. My mom takes me over to the sink and she grabs my hair. She tilts my back and like- Oh no. And she grabs the fucking Lux liquid detergent.

No, that's- And then she opens my mouth and she shoves it in there, knocking maybe two or three teeth out of the and then squeezes. And it just goes and fills my whole mouth. And then she throws me. And my mom was brutal.

My mom was brutal. I don't know why I'm laughing. I know. Everybody's going to send me a message and be like, are you okay? Do you need to see therapy? I'm okay. I'm all right. I'm making more than it is. But she definitely, you know, she 100% squoze that shit in my mouth. And I went upstairs and she just sent me upstairs and I was just bawling, blowing bubbles for the next hour.

And then did you get the shits, right? I don't remember. I just remember crying. I've had my mouth washed out a number of times. And like never by my dad, but like my dad was a single dad. So like we would stay with different like babysitters and like we cycled through them and some of them were better and some of them were worse. And I had my mouth washed out a number of times.

Oh yeah, because they used to be able to kick the shit out of you, right? Yeah. So like my dad, my dad's, when we moved in with my dad, my dad said, if you get in trouble, understand that whatever trouble you get in at school or the babysitter, it is worse when you get home. So you don't want to come home in trouble. And so like, he was not like,

I've got your back. Maybe you were right. He was just like, I'm a single dad with two boys. I don't have time for this shit. So everything is zero tolerance. Yeah, zero tolerance. But like,

so I would get my mouth washed up, but I've had my mouth washed out with both bar soap and with liquid soap. Liquid soap is terrible. And I can't decide which I hate worse. Bar soap burns because of the lye. Yeah. So it burns like a son of a bitch and it like stings

and feels horrible. Yeah. And you gotta like it's like flakes and it gets in your teeth and shit. Yeah. But liquid soap, it's slimy, it tastes horrible, and then it gives me the worst shits of my life after liquid soap. I remember liquid soap. Liquid soap was so bad because it was just like, it just

I mean, like she gave me a whole cum shot. She gave me like a, she gave me like, yeah, fucking a dude. Like it was like a whole room full of dudes. Like it was just like, boom.

And it was like, and I was just like, I never had a squeeze like pressure. I was like pouring out of my mouth. Like a, like a fucking, like a bang brothers movie. It was pretty bad.

I called my dad a dildo. Holy shit. Third grade, fourth grade, somewhere around there. Goodness gracious. I was still living in the city proper. So it was before fifth grade. And so I didn't know what it meant.

Yeah, I know. And so some kid had called me a dildo earlier that day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, because I was probably being a dildo. You were probably being a dildo. Like to be fair,

I was probably a total dildo. And if you want to be a dildo, you can. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, because I was probably being a dildo. You were probably being a dildo. Like, to be fair, I was probably a total dildo. And if you want to be a dildo, you can go to adamandheve.com. Gloria, check out. So, but like, while we're in the car and my dad said something and I was like,

oh, you dildo. Holy shit, the bed. And my dad. I know your dad too. Like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I'm a grown ass man. I wouldn't call your dad a dildo.

And he's like, he's like at this point starting to like lose. My dad's body is garbage. Like I could just, I could just stay away from him. Like I could easily just step back and he wouldn't be able to do anything, but I still wouldn't do it.

It's like running away from a meatball. I still wouldn't do it. It's not, it's fine. I still wouldn't do it. But like, so my dad, he was very calm about the whole thing. He said,

what did you say? And I was, then I was like, ooh, I'm sensing I didn't do the right thing here. And he's like, I didn't know you knew that word.

Do you know other words like that? And I was like, yeah, I do. I know a lot of swear words, you know? And he's like, when we get home,

I want you to write down all the swear words you know. I'm curious. And I was very proud of myself. Well, I know a lot of words. And so I sat and I wrote every bad word I knew.

And my dad looked at it and said, great. So I want you to write all of those a thousand times. Holy shit. And you aren't going anywhere until you've written all of them a thousand times. And I was like, oh man! Because it was a sneak attack. It was a straight sneak attack. I was beaten by the best.

Right. By the best. By the best. Ask not what your student body president can do for you. Ask what you can do to your student body president's body. There's nothing to worry about. He's just making empty promises and detailing his workout routine. And on Fridays, I do abs and legs, but not calves. As you recall, I do those with my lads on Wednesdays.

Thank you. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. We got some doozies on the list tonight. This next one is like, like when I saw this happening, I was like, this can't be real. Yep. Yep. I got to read chunks of this, man.

This can't be real. This is just fucking amazing. Tom, go ahead and read it. Yeah. All right. So this is from the Washington Post. Why hundreds of, hundreds! Tom, hundreds.

Of QAnon supporters. If you go to this article on our website, and you will see, it's not a few people. No. Yeah. This is a fair chunk of people. This is a whole plots of people. Yep.

Yep. Why hundreds of QAnon supporters showed up in Dallas expecting JFK Jr.'s return. This story is crazier than you think it is. In rainy Dallas, with temperatures dipping into the low 60s, hundreds huddled with umbrellas, flags, and signs to wait for history to be made on Tuesday. Some even brought folding chairs. I like that because you're like, if history's going to be made, I don't want my fucking

feet to get tired. Absolutely. You don't want to... Look, you want to make sure that you're in a comfortable spot for history. Right. Yeah. It's like watching the History Channel at home. You know? It's like, is that Washington on the Potomac? It is. And I'm very comfortable in my camp chair

here. At the site overlooking where President John F. Kennedy was assassinated nearly six decades ago, scores of QAnon believers outfitted with Trump-Kennedy 2024. Trump-Kennedy? Trump-Kennedy 2024 shirts, flags, and merchandise. The best part is that Trump is the president and Kennedy is the vice president. is that Trump is the president and Kennedy's the vice president. Well, also,

how fucked is it that you go to the place where somebody's father was murdered? Because this guy died in a plane crash, right? Yeah. So they can't go to that site. That would not be... If the place...

If my dad gets fucking murdered in the street, that would not be a sacred place that I'd be like, you know where I like going? I like going i like going to the scene of my father's untimely assassination it's not a that's a that's a bad place in the world wait yeah you're right and and but i i wonder if they think somehow that like yeah okay no i can't i can't i can't get in there like i can't i tried to get in there i tried to

get in there for a second and i was like you like, you know what? Don't do that. I'm glad. Don't. I'm glad. I hit myself on the face with a fucking newspaper. They forecast the president's son, John F. Kennedy Jr., who has been dead for over 20 years,

would appear at that spot, emerging from anonymity to become Donald Trump's vice president. When the former Trump, when the former president is reinstated, the prophecy foretold online, of course, did not come true. And I just have to read this second paragraph. Yeah, it's amazing. Because when 1230 p.m. came, the time when Kennedy was

shot, they recited the Pledge of Allegiance. It's like a summoning ritual, Tom. It is. It's a summoning ritual. Thank you. I thought the same thing. It's a summoning ritual. Did they have a charcuterie board full of rocks? At 1230, they were like, you know what? The time when that great man was murdered, a Democrat, by the way.

They like step on a snack. That's their sacrifice. They step on snack. The crowd lingered, some for more than an hour, eventually trickling away. I love this line more than almost anything, almost more than my children. A few, vowing the Kennedy known as John John, will reappear at a Rolling Stone concert later in the night.

All right, well, I guess his bus from the afterlife was delayed. Did you hear that they're- He's going to be at the Rolling Stone concert? Did you hear now that they're saying that he's Keith Richards? Excuse me, what? I did not. He is Keith what? Yeah.

How old is Keith Richards? Do they even overlap in age? I don't know if they overlap in age or not. I have no idea. Keith Richardson is a thousand years old. He's one of the founding fathers. Are you kidding? It says John Hancock, Keith Richardson right underneath.

Yeah, man. This is just one of those fucked up moments where you're like, you're like, wait a minute. Do people really believe this? But yes, they believe this. And you can blame, like, this is 100% on the internet shoulders. Yeah, man. There's nothing here that we should be looking at that we can say that,

because 50 years ago, these fucking kooks couldn't get together. There was not a way for people who are, and I'm not saying this to be mean or I'm not trying to be facetious. I think some of these people are genuinely unstable people. I think so too. I think some of these people are like,

there has to be. Like genuinely not right. This is break from reality crazy. Because some people might be there just for the lols. And I guess maybe there might be a few people there just sort of documenting it just to be like what the fuck. But there's a lot of people in here that are older

that just I think want to believe something. But then there's also probably just genuinely people in here who are just fucking, they're just not right. There's something wrong with them. And they would not have been able to find themselves 50 years ago. Right. They would not have been able to glom to each other and they would not have had a way to

communicate. And they would not have had a way to propagate the crazy, right? Somebody would make this shit up and he'd go to all the people he knew and he'd say, I think John F. Kennedy Jr. is going to come back because he never really died. And people would be like, Steve, Yeah. Go back to work, stupid. Hey, man. That's crazy. You are a nut.

Right. Yeah. So he would just, it would die on the vine. A lot of this shit just would die on the vine before. Now, it's like someone will believe it. Yeah.

And someone else will amplify it and someone will actually add one to it and someone will fucking Photoshop an image that proves a little piece of it. And this shit just gets fucking insane. There's hundreds of people that physically show up. That means there's thousands of people that believe this oh yeah for sure because not everybody could make it out that day some of these fucking lunatics were at work or didn't have a you know car to get there or were like thousands of miles away so if hundreds of people you've got thousands of people cecil who are like i don't know man

maybe he'll be at the Rolling Stone concert later tonight. What? What? It's so crazy. It's so crazy. I genuinely feel like maybe four or five years ago, things just started getting so out of control.

I know. I know. Because I remember if something like this would have happened maybe 10 years ago when we first started the show, it would have been five or 10 people and it would have been hilarious. Right. It would have been like the Million Mom March. 12 people show up. It would have been so fucking funny.

We've been laughing about it. We've been making jokes. But now there's like, that's a whole crowd of people, man. That's like a whole, like you can't fit that in 10 buses. Dude, there are more of these people who believe something that is fringe even for Q than Waco. Yeah. You know, like compare the sense of scale of the crazy has gone. It's like Jonestown's like 900 people, right? So, but you've got an attack on the Capitol January 6th. It's like

thousands of people. You've got hundreds of people that just showed up to this thing. But like I said, if there's hundreds, then there are thousands who believe this, that the scale of the crazy is so much bigger, man. And like, I walked down the street, I don't know if you have this feeling, man, but I walked down the street and I'm like, holy shit, how many of you fucking people are nuts? How many people are queuing on Believer? Yeah. You know? Because it's like 35% or some crazy shit.

It's not a small amount of people. It's not a small amount of people. And I think like, like there's ways that they get this validation to where before they might not have ever, the thought might've crossed their head, but then they were like, well, yeah, but probably not.

But now there's enough validation out there that they can consume either through the signal or through online sources or other ways. Right. And that they somehow keep reigniting this switch inside of them. So maybe it's always been 35% of people

or 40% of people are conspiracy prone, but now we have the devices in place to make that, to, to, to tune up that conspiracy. And like before, I think if people were conspiracy prone, there was a sense that like, maybe that was okay because they weren't all believing in the same conspiracy. And so, you know, some of them would be over here and they would be Jonestown, right? And some of them would be over here and they would just be like, you know, I think those airplanes might have chemtrails. You know, but when it was all dispersed, it didn't have any power, political or ideological or social. And now they're not dispersed now they live under this one weird giant umbrella where some faction

thinks john f kennedy jr didn't die in a plane crash and is going to be at the rolling stone concert on fucking thursday or whatever that's amazing like it's so amazing every time you say it i think it's just like it's so amazing but but now they're all under the same umbrella and there's a force to it. I think the reason why that's happening though is because they're easier to find out about now. Yeah. I think that they were more fringe back in the day

and they were just harder to find out about. So like, you know, it's like, you'll never hear about an urban legend from Louisiana up here. Yes, exactly. Like you'll never hear about that up here, but they exist. Right.

And so, you know, but once you can start putting all these things and making them available globally, then suddenly there's, and there's no, you don't have any barriers for this one. So you certainly don't have any barriers for any of the other ones.

You haven't built up any of the skeptical ability to try to suss out whether these things are true. They were always this vulnerable. Exactly. So they were always this vulnerable. It's just that there's a lot of things in place that make it so that... It matters that the door remains open.

Yes. Yeah. It matters when the door is open. It's funny. This last weekend, I was talking to a friend of mine who has some i think some some outlandish crazy conspiracy beliefs and they were talking to someone else and i was in the conversation and they they said you know like bp or exxon or whatever they invented the electric engine like the tesla style electric engine 40 years ago and they like

she told the whole story that everybody's known the urban legend of like the Tesla-style electric engine, 40 years ago. And they, like, she told the whole story that everybody's known the urban legend of, like, the cars that got out, and then BP was like, whoa, we gotta take them all back, you know? And I'm listening to this person tell this 40-year-old urban legend with real sincerity

Cecil to a guy that works at BP. And he's like, wow, really? And I'm in this room and I'm looking around and I'm like, no, this is how it happens. No, not really. This is how it happens. And I don't know if he was being polite and just not challenging the nonsense. Cause I did that.

I just was, I was just like, yeah, I'm a friend. Yeah. You're not going to fight him. But, but the doors open, man.. But the door is open, man. And once that door is open, it's like everything else comes pouring through. Sure. What? Huh?

What time is it? Gary. Day of the Saving Time. Gary, we overslept. What? We overslept. What time is it? What are we going to do for the ad?

We don't know. We didn't do an ad. No, I set the alarm to do the ad, but now what are we going to do? Maybe we can trust the listeners to just give us a pass. What do you mean? I mean, don't they know to use code GLORY at checkout? I would hope so. It's after all these ads, they don't know that they get 50% off almost any one item.

Yeah, and then they get the three free gifts to use on themselves and or others. Don't forget the six free spicy movies. And free shipping. I know, it's free shipping. Like buy a rubber dong already for Christmas. For Christmas. Amen. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

It's spring forward, fall back. We have an extra hour. Oh, so we could actually do a legit ad? Yes, plus it's Sunday. Oh, well, fuck it. The listeners will understand. Just post it on our TikTok. We have a TikTok?

Yes, where Tom posts all his thirst trap vids. Oh, right, and Cecil posts his good soup meme compilations. Of just actually good soup recipes, right? Yeah, exactly. Wait, we don't have a TikTok. No, wait, we don't. And where are we? Didn't we jump into a portal last time? Yeah, but

I thought we got out. Wait, what's that? It's Tom. No, wait, Gary, that's Freddy Krueger. The donut Freddy Krueger? But it's November. Oh my god, what is this fever dream? Oh shit. That's not Freddy Krueger.

What? That's Gary Krueger. Who's that? Um, he has some personality issues. We gotta wake up. Oh, he might be gone. Who the hell was that? Um, he's my uncle of sorts estranged, you know.

Oh, here. Jump in the portal. I thought you said slide. Oh, sure, that you remember, but not daylight saving time. Oh, shit, he's back. We gotta go. Jump in the portal. What about the ad?

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Mediaite. COVID positive Aaron Rodgers reportedly skipped the vaccine in favor of a homeopathic or holistic immunization treatment. So Aaron Rodgers is a sporting guy. Quarterback for the Green Bay Packers.

I knew he threw the ball. Green Bay Packers. I knew he threw the ball. Green Bay Packers. So I, of course, have a vested interest in whether or not we are in a hate relationship. We are in a hate relationship. You know that.

I do know that. He actually, very recently, they came to Chicago and they beat the Bears and he screamed to the audience after he scored a touchdown, I own you.

I've always owned you and he was like really like strutting and it's true because he's kicked our ass we've only beaten Aaron Rodgers three times out of three times it's I think it's three and twenty one holy shit he's okay so that's a legit vote

that's a legit vote but let's talk about COVID for a second because Aaron Rodgers has COVID. Aaron Rodgers also was asked point blank, are you, they asked him if he was vaccinated and he said, I am immunized. Yeah.

But he was immunized with like, like sugar water and like magic juice. And wishing. Right. And that's not, that's not good enough, it turns out. It's nothing. And, you know, earlier in the year, and the thing is, it's not good enough. It turns out. And nothing. And you know,

earlier in the year. And the thing is, is that it's on the periphery for me because I don't know a lot about, like, I know I watch football, but I only watch the bears. So I only watch like the, your team,

the team. I don't watch the Monday night game. I don't watch the Thursday night game. I don't watch, I don't watch Thursday night game every night. It's there's only a Thursday night game on Thursday. Okay watch, I don't watch. Is there a Thursday night game every night? It's, there's only a Thursday night game on Thursday,

Tom. Okay. That was a, I foolishly phrased that. You got me on that. You got me on that. All right. All right.

Is there, is there a Thursday night game every Thursday? I am pretty sure that there are, there's many of them. I'm, I think a couple of them are not. It was a usually, it used to be an unusual circumstance. It was,

it was at the beginning and the end of the season was when they would do it. Okay. And now they do it a lot. More frequently. They do it a lot. Okay. But in any case, I don't watch those games. I only watch the Bears games.

So I don't, but I kind of hear the periphery and I know that he had problems with his team, right? So he had some issues with his team early on. And I don't know if that was COVID related or if it was just douchebag related because he's a giant douchebag. So I don't know if that was COVID related or if it was just douchebag related because he's a giant douchebag. So I don't know what it is, but in any case, there's this, you know, he, he, he was not immunized. He did not have, he was not vaccinated and he did get COVID after a big

fuck all. And from what I hear, a big fuck all the Halloween party that he threw. And then he got COVID afterwards, but, but other sports are doing this differently. And for instance, Kyrie Irving, you know, if we're talking about superstars, now this guy is a superstar. This guy is an absolute superstar in the world of football. And in the world of basketball,

Kyrie Irving is a superstar, but they're handling it very differently. Like in this, you can not have a vaccine in play. I was going to say, like, nobody checked. I mean, nobody checked. Like in this, you can not have a vaccine in play. I was going to say, like nobody checked. I mean, nobody checked. Like nobody checked the card, right?

They just presumed that it was right. But there's been a couple people who have gotten shit, right? So a couple of these quarterbacks in the league have gotten shit, but he,

he, he pretended that he was vaccinated. So he didn't catch any of that shit, but they did. These other quarterbacks did, but in basketball, it's totally different. Kyrie Irving plays

for the Brooklyn Nets. Brooklyn is part of New York. And they're like, fuck you. Unless you're vaccinated, you can't be in one of these big areas, these big stadiums. Right.

He is one of their stars. He has not played a single game this year. He's refusing to get vaccinated and he's not getting paid and he's not playing. It's just, sorry, that's not going to happen. Nobody's budging on either side.

Did they cut him from the team? I don't think so because, you know, they're probably hoping that eventually the vaccination won't matter or something like that

or there'll be enough herd immunity where it won't matter. How much does that motherfucker get paid for a game of basketball? He's a fucking stupid expensive man. It's a lot of money. He's losing a lot of money,

but he's already a rich guy. Yeah, what's the incentive with that? Well, the incentive's got to be the fame and- Yeah, I mean,

also the infamy from all this stuff, but he definitely, he definitely, basketball's the incentive with that? Well, the incentive's got to be the fame and... Yeah, I mean, also the infamy from all this stuff. But he definitely, he definitely... Basketball's handling it differently than... Well, they're handling it right. Yeah. Yeah, they're handling it right. Like, just asking a dude, are you vaccinated?

Like, you got to fucking check. Yeah, yeah. You can't... What are we living... We're living in 2021. You're going to trust people? Are you fucking serious? In football, it should definitely be a field goal

to make sure you vaccinate everybody. It's for safety, Tom. Well. Safety is a thing in football. You didn't. No, I didn't catch that at all. You didn't know that.

Literally did not catch that at all. I was trying to think of a conversion plan. There's like one football guy out there. There's like one football guy out there that's like, ah, I got you, Cecil.

I got you. It's for safety. That joke came from my blind side, so I didn't. Blind side. Is that a thing? It is. I remember from that movie

with Sandra Bullock. It's the name of the movie. It's the name of the movie. That movie's racist, by the way. It's so racist. Super racist. The white lady teaches the black guy how to be an offensive lineman.

She teaches him how to be a person. He's essentially an animal she domesticates. It's such a racist movie. It's so racist. It's so fucking racist. Holy shit. Based on a true story. And you're like, I think that movie won awards, man.

I think Sandra Bullock won an Academy Award. It's so fucking racist, though. Holy shit. The bad. You watch that movie and you're like, I feel awkward right now. Fucking yikes. That's all I got to say. It's real bad.

It's not Birth of a Nation, but it's adjacent. Fucking yikes. That's all I got to say. It's real bad. It's not Birth of a Nation, but it's adjacent. Fucking yikes. Watch that movie and not be like, holy fucking, what the fuck, man? I don't think you should

have made this movie. Did y'all watch this movie? It's so racist. So racist. So racist. I can stand behind a podium. I can look out a window. I can shake hands. I can make the a podium. I can look out a window. I can shake hands.

I can make the skin around my eyes crinkle when I smile. I can make my family hug me. I can even pose for selfies. Right now is a critical time because of the past and the future and this American flag. I'm a candidate for president and I endorse this message. Unless you disagree. In which case,

I had nothing to do with it. Tom, the Democrats didn't do so well recently in the election. No. How does that make you feel, by the way? We're going to be talking about Texas here in a second, but how does that make... That's a little scary, isn't it?

Oh, I thought it was terrifying. Honestly, by the way. And we're going to be talking about Texas in a second, but how does that make, that's a little scary, isn't it? Oh, it's, I thought it was terrifying. Honestly, it's terrifying. I listened to and read a bunch of stuff ahead of the Virginia election, and really a lot of the thinking was that the Virginia election was going to be kind of a bellwether for 2022. Sure, yeah.

And 2022 already because of gerrymandering and voting suppression was going to be a tough road for the Democrats to try to climb. Biden's approval rating is fucking horrible. Yeah. So, and then just, and Virginia, Biden beat Trump by 10 points in Virginia. And so to watch the Republicans take the governor's seat was just. Yeah, with a guy who's a businessman, right?

Yeah. Like, I mean, he's like a Trump clone. And yeah, he's definitely, he's a Trumper for sure. And then to look at the wedge issue of critical race theory in schools, they weaponized in order to make that happen. I was just like, fucking, like I really had like a 2016 like, God, we are a fucking

worse nation than I ever thought we were and I just want to leave. It's a terrible, it's a terrible thing. When I saw it, I saw it,

and you know, the thing is, is like, like I thought New Jersey also did it too, but the New Jersey squeaked by that, but that,

but that's a bellwether too because you're looking at it and you're thinking, I mean, New Jersey isn't a slam dunk- I'll tell you what, when we vote for a governor, there's so many signs all over this whole place

that hate Pritzker. People hate Pritzker. Yeah. So, you know, we're probably going to lose our governorship. And, you know, local government means something, man. It genuinely means something.

Oh, it's real fucking important. But it almost feels like the Democrats only come out for the presidency. Man, but I also think, I also think there's something. Oh, it's real fucking important. But it almost feels like the Democrats only come out for the presidency. Man, but I also think, I also think there's something that's, there's a real challenge right now that Democrats have, which is that if you do

the responsible thing in a time of crisis, that means that you're going to ask people to make sacrifices. Yeah, and they don't want to. And that is going to make you a deeply unpopular person. Pritzker has kept the state of Illinois

from experiencing most of the worst effects of COVID. He's done a very good job with COVID, I think. Honestly. Very good job. An excellent job. In Illinois, we haven't had the national... When I was... I just got back from Mayo Clinic.

Like, we were just in Mayo Clinic two weeks ago. And when we were up at Mayo Clinic, at the same time that we were there, the National Guard had been deployed to the hospitals in Minnesota to staff the hospitals in Minnesota. Because they were that bad. Because they were that bad.

And they have a Democratic governor up there. Exactly. And in Illinois, we haven't had any of that shit. No. And we have Chicago. We have a dense urban area. There's been places in Illinois

that have experienced some difficulty, but it's not in the entire state. No, it's not. And so, and I think a lot of that is responsible leadership is very often unpopular leadership. I think you're right. I think you're right. And I'm looking at a lot of the stuff that's going on

and I'm like, fuck man. Like I agree with a lot of the things that are being done. And I also see how they're just not politically expedient, but it's like, fuck man. Like when I was a teenager, I kind of didn't like my, fuck man. Like when I was a teenager, I kind of didn't like my dad. You know, when I was a teenager, my dad was the guy who told me I couldn't do shit I wanted to do. So like my dad was a dick. But then when I look back and I'm like, actually, my dad probably kept me alive and got me through school with good grades and like put my life on

a good track. And so like, I kind of feel that's kind of what's happening in a lot of ways with the Democrats right now. Sure. They're like, hey, we should do this responsible shit. And everyone's like, we hate it. Yeah. I don't want to wear a mask. Yeah. I want my kids to be able to go to school and sneeze in each other's mouths.

I don't want black kids to see stuff. Yeah. I don't want white kids to feel bad. I don't want white kids to feel bad, man. For instance, Tom, I want to talk a little bit about this, though, because like you said, they don't want to do things. They want to make sure that everything's free. And in this particular story, Texas overwhelmingly approved allowing churches to stay open during future pandemics. 62% versus 38% said banning the state from prohibiting or limiting religious services,

including those in churches and other places of worship. If we get another pandemic, Texas, yeah, when? Because it's when, because we're not smart enough to figure it out, to know that, you know, we can, you know, but yeah, that's gonna fuck people up because they want to make sure they have their freedom. And personal freedom is very important to some people. It's one of the most important things. And that's going to be the thing.

That's going to be the issue that's going to cause everything. And that's one of the things that binds the libertarians and the Republicans into that one big voting block is that personal freedom piece. into that one big voting block is that personal freedom piece where, you know, if the, you know, you're going to lose a lot more people and a lot more people are going to die, but they probably would have been much happier

if there was no mask mandates whatsoever and we just would have died in masks. But they'll die free. Yeah. The ethos of, and Texas has a particularly strong, like, cultural identity. you know texas first america second yeah i mean yeah and that is that that like that that hard right libertarian streak

is just baked into the fucking it's just baked into the culture of texas by the heat or whatever but it's fucking baked in there man yeah. Yeah. And like two thirds of people are like, yeah, all right, even during the next pandemic, still be able to go to church. There's nothing magic about church. Yeah. Like church, like you, what the fuck? But it really, and I don't think they think there's anything fucking necessarily magic

about, well, there is always, they think there is something magic literally about church. Yeah. But like, I think the point is to say, fuck you, don't, don't tell me what to do. But there's been so the point is to say, fuck you. Don't, don't tell me what to do. But there's been so many places all over the map that have done this. Don't tell us what to do with our kids. You can't mandate that shit. I'm going to, I want my kids. And they're using their kids as, as a way to say, everybody's free here. You know what I mean? Like we're free to do what we want. They're pushing that on. And the kids, I don't think care.

It's just that the adults are using the kids as little pawns in this. In some cases, it's dangerous for the kids and then also dangerous for the parents. Yeah, and it's dangerous for all the people those kids come in contact with. The bus driver driving them around. The teachers who are in the room.

The grandparents that watch the kids later. All the people that make school happen. It's funny to watch. Not funny, but it is something else to watch the clash of freedoms, right? So I'll give you an example. I watched a video the other day where some people were incensed over a business. In this case, it was like a bakery. Bakery had a mask requirement for their store in a state that does not require masks. And I guess it's weird to me that still there's places

that don't require masks at this point. But the state did not require masks, but this individual business required masks. And these two people took a camera and they went into this business without a mask on purpose, and they demanded to be served without the mask. And there were a fight, literally a fistfight ensued between the business owner and this person insisting on being served. And I'm watching it, and for the longest time,

the right has been on the side of the business owner to decide who to do business with. Exactly, who they want to, you don't want to serve a gay person, you don't have to. Right. And that's been the culture war for 15 years. Right. And now all of a sudden,

all of a sudden, any private company that makes a rule which infringes on the entitlement of the consumer, when the consumer has never been challenged before. Exactly.

And what I mean by that is when it is a cis white person. Yeah. Right? These people have never been challenged before. They're gay people, people of color, et cetera.

They have always been challenged. They've always been marginalized. Yeah. This is the only time that like some white guy has ever experienced any kind of, any kind of inconvenience.

So they are, they're at a loss. Like, what do you do when a white guy owns a business and doesn't want to serve another white guy? It's fucking anti-matter and matter, Cecil. Yeah, it's insane. It's insane. That is literally Karen.

That is literally the definition of that thing. You know, it's like. But like in a sense, they're both fighting because they both hold the same value. They both hold that personal liberty value. Yeah. You know, the business owner is like,

look, that's my business. I should be able to decide who I serve. There's signs you see them all over the place. We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. And the only exceptions are like race. Things you can't control. Right. It's things you can't control, man.

And you can control putting a fucking shirt on. You can control putting fucking shoes on. You can control putting a mask on. We require clothing in all places in society. You don't even have to give a reason as long as you're not discriminating based on like one of the protected classes. Right.

So you can be like, you know what? I'm just, I'm not going to serve you today. Why? I don't have to. That's why. It's a private place. Is it your trespassing? I've asked you to leave.

Get the fuck. Like it's a private business. Yeah. It's insane to me to watch these conflicts. But the thing is, is the difference is, is that you can do that and somebody can do that.

But what they want to do is be like, because you're fucking gay, that's why. They want you But, but what they want to do is be like, because you're fucking gay. That's why they want you to know. They want you to know that you are not worth them. You are not at their level. They want you to know that. And then the moment that gets turned around on them and they're like, wait a minute, you you're telling me, you don't get to tell me. I get to tell you. And so that's the problem. And,, genuinely, I think no shoes, no shirt, no service is a perfect analog for this. It's a perfect, I mean, it's a perfect analog. You don't get to make that choice.

If you walk into a place without shoes on and they require shoes, the fucking end. Like, I don't care how much you fucking sit there and suck your toes in front of them. They're not going to be like, cool, I guess you could have that gum. Right. They're going to be like, get out of my fucking store. And they have every right to do that based on your clothing.

You need to, go try to get a fucking, you know, go to like a really, like stupid expensive restaurant that requires a jacket. Yeah. And see if you can get seated

without a jacket. They're not going to seat you. They're not going to seat you. They're going to give you the colorful fucking jacket, loaner jacket they got behind a jacket. They're not going to seat you. They're not going to seat you. They're going to give you the colorful fucking jacket, loaner jacket they got behind the counter or you're not getting in. I once went, it's just a funny aside.

I once had to go golfing for work and I'd never gone golfing before. So I didn't understand. I had no idea. Nobody told me that there were rules about the attire on the golf course. Yeah, I didn't know. I had no idea.

And I guess it's because there's not on every kind of golf course. Like a I had no idea. And I guess it's because there's not on every kind of golf course, like a public course might not have rules and like a more private course might. So this is a private course as a work thing. And so I go and I was like, shit, I'm like wearing like all the wrong clothes. So I had to go into the pro shop and I had to buy a shirt and I had to buy a pair of shorts. And then I had a pair of dress shoes. And so I'm walking around all day, golfing 18 holes in brand new shorts.

I bought brand new shirt. I bought and a pair of fucking like Oxford dress shoes, like for my business meeting. Cause I had no idea. I had no idea what, like we went right from the meeting to the golf course. Like, aren't you going to change?

I'm like, I don't change it. What? Yeah. I don't know what nobody told me went right from the meeting to the golf course. They're like, aren't you going to change? I'm like, I don't know what. Yeah, I don't know what. Nobody told me anything. I wanted to turn into a bird. So I looked like a giant, I had black socks and fucking Oxford dress shoes and a pair of my white pasty legs.

That's super awesome. So like, but if I hadn't done that, they wouldn't have let me go on that course. You can't go on the course. So as dumb as I look, they still had their rules. Still had to do it. And that's the thing is like, man, there's rules on how to dress all over the place. And that's the thing is like, man,

there's rules on how to dress all over the place. And if you don't want to follow them, don't go into the place. Yeah. Go find a place that's friendly to you. Go find a place where you guys could fucking like breathe on each other and fucking fog each other's glasses up. Go do that somewhere.

I actually really like the places that are very mass strict. Yeah, me too. I haven't run into a single argument about any of this stuff. I haven't run into a single argument about any of this stuff. I haven't run into a single argument. And I'll tell you what, I just flew for the first time in a long time.

Just flew. I haven't flown in a while. This is the first time in a couple years that I flew. And man, everybody was just nice about it. Nobody took their mask down. Nobody fought with anybody. Nobody was being a dick. I just didn't experience any,

I know you're seeing some of these things come out on the TikToks or whatever, where people are filming it and you're seeing this fight back and forth between people all the time. But I did not experience a moment of that. Everybody in the airport was just listening to everybody else and being like, you gotta wear a mask.

You gotta fucking wear a mask. Everybody who's here is just wearing a mask, the end. Well, and the airport's a great example because with some very notable exceptions, the airport sets the strictest possible rules. You know what I mean? Like at an airport, at every other place in my life, I can carry as many ounces of liquid as I want. Yeah. Or a pocket knife. Right. Yeah, exactly. That's a great, I've thrown my pocket knife in the garbage more than once at the TSA because I've had it in my pocket without thinking. I gave one to a guy there. Did you really? Yeah. That's so funny. I threw one in. I just put one in a plant. I was like, oh shit. I dumped it in a plant. But there's

all kinds of rules that we understand we have to follow. And that's the fucking cost of getting on a goddamn airplane. It's just the cost of getting on a plane. You don't like it. You get to not like it. Yeah. You either get to not like it or you get to not go or you get to have a fit in the air and never go anywhere ever again. Right. Never, ever, ever go anywhere again

unless you drive yourself somewhere. That list is fucking filling up. And it's a nightmare. Can you imagine being on that list and being like, great, I can never leave the country. Yeah. I can never go anywhere ever again.

And you got to drive every fucking place you want to go. You got to drive every single place. Now you're a single state person because our states are so, yeah, it would be awful. It'd be absolutely awful. Speaking of awful, I want to tell you a quick story about my vacation. Okay.

So I just got back from Maine, right? We just got back and everybody has been telling me to have this sandwich. Everybody's like, you got to have a fucking, you got to have a lobster roll. Like a lobster roll is the thing. And then everybody talks about like these seaside places and there's all these places to get lobster rolls. So we go to a restaurant, first restaurant we go to in Maine and there's a lobster roll on the menu. What kind of restaurant? It was a relatively fancy restaurant, but, but you know, it was

somewhat fancy. And it's funny because every place that we looked, they don't tell you the price of a lobster roll. It's market price. So you don't, like, you don't get to just like walk up and be like, I'll have a lobster roll and it's 10 bucks or whatever.

Like, that's not a thing. It's like, whatever it costs to catch that shit that day, that's how much it costs. Right. So,

so, you know, Sarah orders that and I order a different food. I actually ordered fish, you know, because I'm by the ocean. I'm not a huge fish guy, but I figured, you know, because I'm by the ocean. I'm not a huge fish guy,

but I figured, you know what the hell, I'll order some fish. Yeah, when in Maine. So, I ordered some and I'm eating my food

and Sarah's like, do you want a bite of this sandwich? And I was like, you know, I always wanted to have a lobster roll. I was going to order one anyway on this trip, so I might as well take a bite of hers,

you know, prime the pump. And so, I reach over and I was like, you know what, I'm just going to grab a fork full of it. So, I just grab it

and I jam it in there and I put it, Tom, I put it, I was like, you know what? I'm just going to grab a fork full of it. So I just grab it and I jam it in there and I put it, Tom, I put it, I started bringing it to my face and it felt like it sucked all the heat out of my face. Like it felt like, you know, those movies where somebody accidentally spills like fucking nitro oxide, nitrous oxide or whatever it is,

that stuff that's really cold, liquid nitrogen on themselves and then they freeze and then they're stuck and then they break or whatever. You remember that? Like the Batman movie. Or like Terminator 2 where the guy gets stuck in the frozen

and he's stuck and he's like trying to move his leg and it's stuck. That's what it felt like when I put the thing by my face. It was so cold. It sucked all the fucking heat out of the side of my face

and I bit into it and it was... Good? No, it was the fucking... Tom. It was the fucking heat out of the side of my face. And I bit into it and it was, it was good. No, it was the fucking Tom fucking lamest, like most slimy, gross little piece of fucking, and it was a claw.

Right. So everything in there was like really soft, right? Like good, good quality, good quality, right out of the fucking ocean that day. Yeah.

And they fucking ruined it. They ruined it because they fucking made it. They ruined it because they fucking made it, they fucking poured ice cold fucking mayonnaise on it. And then they threw it in a bun. And I was so fucking mad. You were so mad. I was so mad, Tom,

because I've been hearing about these lobsters for years. And I was like, man, this sandwich is so good, bro. It's delicious lobster. It's the best. And I'm like, and I'm not even really a lobster guy.

Like, I'm like, it's okay. I'll have it like once a year maybe, but it's not a thing for me. I'm not like, oh, I gotta have lobster. It's the best. And I'm like, and I'm not even really a lobster guy. Like I'm like, I'm okay. It's okay. I'll have it like once a year maybe, but it's not a thing for me. I'm not like, oh, I got to have lobster. I'm like,

if it's on the menu, maybe I'll order it. Maybe I won't. Most of the time I won't. I like crab way more than I like lobster. I prefer crab. I prefer king crab by a lot. I like snow crab,

man. Snow crab's delicious too. It's like a crab, in my opinion, is much better. But in any case, I'll eat lobster if it's there. But this fucking sandwich

was so disappointing. And so we go out the next day and they have it on the menu and I call the waitress over and I go, look. My heart was broken recently. Is this sandwich fucking cold? And she goes, yeah, they're all cold in Maine.

And I almost hit her. Like I was so close. I almost punched her. I was so close I almost punched her I was like oh you're fucking kidding me and she says yeah what you want is a Connecticut style

and I'm like I'm not in Connecticut I'm in Maine it's supposed to be Lobster Fest up here man they have Lobster Fest by me at Red Lobster

can we get a fucking lobster sandwich? She's like, no, you can't. I was like, there's no place in town that has it. She's like, you might be able to get one at like, and she named like two or three places. And then I asked, we went on a foodie tour of this town, Portland, Maine.

We went on a foodie tour where you go, or the guy walks you around town, tells you about the town, and then you stop in like six restaurants and then they feed you a little thing, and you eat, and then they... That sounds super fun. It was a hoot. It was absolutely a blast. But anyway, we went on this tour, and I asked the guy,

and the guy was like, yeah, no, you can't get a lobster roll up here unless it's cold. And I was like, what the fuck is wrong with you people? Listeners, I got text messages to this effect from Cecil, and I want you to understand how unusual this is. When Cecil is on vacation, he's on vacation.

I don't usually hear from Cecil. We'll text back and forth about this or that. But when he's on vacation, I don't hear from Cecil. And I just get this distraught series. I could feel from the text messages, guys. I could feel his mighty heart had been broken. I was so angry. I was so upset.

I wanted to cuddle him. I was so upset every time. My question to Tom started out with, are all lobster rolls cold? I was in disbelief. He was so upset. I was so mad. I was so fucking mad. But anyway so upset. I was so mad. I was so fucking mad.

But anyway, that was part of my vacation. The other part of my vacation, which I thought was great, was I went to Boston. And Boston is a great city. I'd never been. It's a really wonderful city. And I can tell why New York has a huge rivalry with Boston

because it's a million times better city. Is it really? It's such a better city. Oh my God. New York should be embarrassed. I would be, I would be mortified if Gary,

Indiana was like Paris. I would be mortified. I would be mortified. And New Yorkers should be fucking mortified that Boston is to be that close to a city

that is fucking exponentially better than their city. Wow. There's no fucking garbage on the streets. It's the worst part. There's no fucking like, like,

it doesn't always smell like, it doesn't always smell like, like urine. It's, it's a walkable, beautiful city. All of it looks gorgeous. It doesn't,

none of it looks like hot trash like New York. The food is better. It's just New York suck it in comparison. I mean, seriously, I would be mortified if I lived in New York and I had to go to Boston. I'd be mortified. And how far is Boston from New York?

Pretty close. And that's why they're rivals. Okay. I think. I mean, I guess I know that. New York just cries in their beer all the time about how they're not Boston. And I would be sad too if I were them for sure.

Yeah. Well, it sounds like it was a great trip except for the lobster roll. The lobster roll, Tom. The lobster roll. Next time you come into my house for dinner,

I'm going to make dinner, but I'm going to serve everybody else and serve you a cold lobster roll. Just so me. Be the last time. Be the last time I live. Last time Tom is seen.

No, actually, next time you come over. I'm pulling you behind a boat. I'm just like, I got to fucking. I will make you a hot lobster roll. I'm sure it won't be as good. I'm sure it you behind a boat. I got a fucking, I will make you a hot lobster. I'm sure it won't be as good. I'm sure it'll be delicious, Tom,

but it's just one of those things that like, I've heard a lot of people talk about them and I'm like, I guess I got to go to Connecticut to try one of these or I guess New York also has them too, but they're cold up there. I guess at a certain point,

the Northern ones are cold and they're just a huge disappointment. it's just gotta be like seafood salad. Huge. It is. It's not good. It's not good.

It's like it's boring. Yeah. Like you boringed out the lobster. It's not good. Look it up. Like in a book? Yeah, sure.

Books are great. No, use the internet. Books are stupid. I thought books were smart. No, they're stupid. But you're a librarian.

Yes, oh, shh. So this week, for this week, for our Cogdiss Book Club, we're moving our way through Demon Haunted World, chapter 14, Anti-Science. And what a great chapter. Again, very prescient chapter, looking at, you know,

one of the best parts about this book is that Carl dissects in so many ways in this chapter anti-science but in all the chapters pseudoscience but he is 100% ready to say go ahead and use that kind of skepticism

on science I fucking dare you I want you I'm fucking bring it bring that shit here because there's a difference between just being a naysayer and being a true skeptic. And I think that that's where, that's what this whole chapter felt like to me is that it's really easy to be like, well, that's just so hard. And Oh, it's really hard to just, Oh yeah, sure. Yeah. I got a 10 years of school to be a quantum physicist or whatever. It's like, yeah, maybe I'll never understand it. And he's

just like, yeah, no, we can actually look at results. You don't have to go to school. Yeah, and I think one of the things he does a great job of pointing out is that science is the answer to falling into the relativism trap. Yeah. Like the trap of relativism,

which is like, well, maybe, maybe there's no such thing as history. Maybe there's no such thing as any truth. Maybe all these things are socially constructed. And it's like, well, there's a grain of truth to that in terms of how we tell stories about who we are, right? How we tell stories about who we are is absolutely got an objective sense to it. But what science does is it says, well, the subjective doesn't work here. Yeah. The subjective it, it look,

the, the, the rate at which something, the acceleration of an object due to gravity on earth is what it is, what it is, regardless of whether you like it or don't, no matter who measures it. And that is just,

it is a truth about science, science. He recognizes the imperfections of the people who perform it. Yeah. And he, he's very upfront about, I love that about like, Hey, look, the imperfections of the people who perform it. Yeah. And he's very upfront about- I love that. About like, hey, look, these are people.

Sometimes they lie. Sometimes they misunderstand. Sometimes they're motivated to try to find things that aren't there. But the thing is that science has error-correcting machinery built in that no other discipline has.

And it doesn't matter. The one part he spends a long time about is it doesn't matter the motivations. So regardless of whether or not the motivations of someone happened to be racist, if they found something out, that doesn't change the truth of that thing. Right.

And so that's a really interesting point. And what's interesting is that he's talking, he actually debunks a lot of theories about Darwin, where people were always like, well, Darwin wanted to do this because of this. And he wanted to do this because of this. And his points are basically, yeah, everybody wants to say Darwin wanted to prove this theory

because he was an atheist. And he says, well, that's not true. First off, that's not true. But even if it was, it still doesn't make it less true what his motivations were. And so you've got to look at it in that sense. And he also says that, you know, like, like very much like how this book is a product of this time, you know, people are a product of their time. And, and he talks about a lot of different people and how that, you know,

in their time there, there's a lot of horrors that people, that normal people did that we don't accept today. Right. That we just don't think is an acceptable thing. And so we've got to look at them in a different light. We can't look at everybody as if they were, you know, from somebody from today. And I'll give you an example. Have you ever seen the movie The Breakfast Club? I actually have not seen The Breakfast Club. So in The Breakfast Club,

one of the guys is fucking around and there's a bad, there's a teacher, they're on a Saturday detention and there's a teacher and this guy isn't supposed to be in this room with all these students. He got kicked out of the room and he's in the solo detention area and he sneaks his way back into the room

to get his weed out of his bag or whatever. And so he walks back in this room and he actually falls back into the room through the drop ceiling, which is ridiculous, but anyway, he falls in and makes a big ruckus. And so the teacher comes in and says, what a big ruckus. And so the teacher

comes in and says, what was that ruckus? And then the, hey, can you describe the ruckus, sir? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so this guy's underneath the desk. Well, he's underneath the desk of a girl. Okay. And the girls were in a skirt. And in the movie, the guy puts his head between her legs and I don't know, sniffs her crotch, licks her crotch, whatever, whatever. He does something to her crotch. And then she jumps, smashes his head and like he hits his head or whatever. And like, it's like,

and then everybody starts pretending. Those moments of physical comedy. It's a moment of physical comedy. And 40 years ago when that movie came out, it was a moment of physical comedy. I don't know if it's 40, it could be 35. I don't know how long ago it was. it was a moment of physical comedy. I don't know if it's 40, it could be 35. I don't know how long ago it was.

It's a moment of physical comedy. But today, I could not imagine that movie being made. Now it's sexual assault straight up. Now you look at it and you're like, that's not played for comedy. That's not funny. He sexually assaulted that girl. What the fuck? But the

mindset back then is very different. It's a very different mindset. It's like, oh, ha, ha, ha, ha, boys will be boys. That's what kids do. That was kids these days. It's a very different feeling. But again, it's played for comedy. And so again, I don't want to get too deep in the weeds on this, but I just want to point out, even just movies and thoughts and things like that those are all sort of products of their time and i think we've got to look at them in that way and i think carl does a really good job of pointing out people have flaws and they are a product of when

they are they are they are a product of the culture that they live in right and i think i think he does a good job of being like yeah their flaws are doesn't it does not make them okay but it does not mean that what they doesn't make doesn't make them wrong. Yeah. Their science is not bad science. It doesn't make them wrong because of that. Just because 100 years later, we figured out, wow, they were wrong about some deeply important ethical issues.

Yeah. But you know what? They weren't wrong about these scientific experiments. Yeah, exactly. The science holds up. Yeah. It's a really great chapter. All these are rolling in, and they're good.

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It didn't get better. It's like, look around. Does anyone feel more optimistic? Didn't get better. I don't. Yeah. So we got a touch of email here. We're not going to go through a ton of it. We are

going to go through some of it. We got a bunch of messages from people congratulating us on 600 episodes. We read all the messages. Thank you all so much for sending in stuff and just being, I mean, it's super sweet. And we got not only voice messages, but we got email messages and it really does. It's very, very sweet.

Thank you for listening for as long as you did. The show wouldn't exist without you people. I love seeing the messages from people. I've been with you for eight years. I've been with you guys for five years. I've been with you guys for 10 years. It's just, it's awesome.

It's really, it really is. Thank you guys. Uh, Jess says, uh, what Kara was saying about prosecuting people for disinformation would tend to open up the bidding at attempted murder.

There's a lot of people out there that have made a lot of statements and have hurt a lot of people, injured a lot of people. And I don't disagree on some of that, especially those people that with a big megaphone, Tom. Man, I obviously don't either. Like incitement to violence is a real fucking thing. Yeah, for sure.

And incitement to have people commit, essentially commit violence on themselves by not getting vaccinated or not wearing masks. Yeah, absolutely. We got a message, and this one is from someone who didn't sign their message, so I don't want to read their name.

They said, hey, I work in a small supermarket chain in the Midwest, and I started in January, starting in January of 2022, so in a couple months, if you get insurance to the company and you don't get the vaccine,

there's a $50 a month surcharge added on. Good. Here's the thing, man. We pay for insurance in this country. And this is a way to make it hurt for people

who will not help get vaccinated and protect vulnerable people. And we're talking about children that cannot get vaccinated. They're under five because the ones that are five, they're going to start getting vaccinated.

Five and up, they're going to be able to get vaccinated. But there's vulnerable people in this country that cannot get the vaccine because of immune problems and issues with vaccines that they medically can't get that vaccine. They're not making a stance,

a political stance. They just literally cannot get it. And there's immunocompromised people medically can't get that vaccine. They're not, they're not making a stance, a political stance. They're, they're, they just literally cannot get it. And there's immunocompromised people that even want the vaccine can still be really fucked up. If not all of us take the proper precautions to protect those people, it's up to us to do that. And if that costs you $50 extra a month, cause you're a fucking wanker and you won't get fucking vaccinated. That's not my problem. Yeah. You know, I also feel like, Hey asshole, you're doing fucking wanker and you won't get fucking vaccinated. That's not my problem. Yeah. You know, I also feel like, hey, asshole, you're doing something outside the norm that is dangerous. And then you're asking the insurance company to pay the extra price for when you almost inevitably get sick. Yeah. You know, fuck you running. Yeah. You should pay for that.

You're the asshole who's going to call my insurance will go up because you're expensive. Yeah. Insurance is an aggregate of costs. Absolutely. Fuck you. Absolutely. I don't the asshole who's going to call my insurance will go up because you're expensive yeah insurance is an aggregate of costs absolutely fuck you absolutely i don't want to bear that burden you bear that burden i did the right thing and exactly and i'm the one who's going to be paying attention to my health and the people around me's health and the people i want to help protect and that's everybody it turns out even you even you who won't take the vaccine even you got a we got a message and someone had said another thing that pisses them off about the anti-vax stuff

is that the constant screaming and fear mongering has their monkey brain worried about giving their kids the COVID vaccine they're still going to do it they're going to be the first in line and they're lucky that the skeptical process can override the emotional response but it's really difficult to do that

and I recognize that, and that's one of those things, the more you hear something, the better chance you have of believing it. And what they've been able to do with this vaccine misinformation is drop it into the airwaves and into the feeds

and into the social media so much that you've seen it so much that you start to question whether or not it's true. Yeah, and then your coworkers start passing those stories on as truths. They start talking about that shit. They start saying, I know a guy. I don't know a guy.

And it becomes, it moves into the urban legends. Yeah, and then the thing is that anecdotes, we as human beings take anecdotes as a much more greater, under greater scrutiny.

And we collect those and find greater weight in those because it's a story and we're storytellers and we hear a story and we suddenly believe it's true. There's been so many times in my life that I've heard stories and thought that it had to be true because it's a story that someone is telling you, but it's not. It's just not true. And the more trusted the person who tells it to you, the greater the weight there too's just not true. And the more trusted, the more trusted the person who tells it to you, the greater the chance.

Greater the chance. Yeah. We got a message. It's an image and this is so fucking good. This is about the Mormon soaking. This is sent to us by Monique and we're going to post it

on this week's show notes. It's fucking amazing and I laughed out loud when Tom and I were going through the notes a few minutes ago. Tom, we got a message about US politics from John. Yeah, John says, I'm really confused.

He's talking about a New York Times article. Says that Biden's failure to have Manchin and Sinema vote for what the majority of the Americans voted for, and if opinion polls are anything to go by, still want, means that it could hurt his party at the poll. He says, isn't the only way the Democratic Party could be hurt in the polls is for people to vote Republican? No.

No, no, no. And that's a common misconception. No. You can hurt, any party can be hurt at the polls by lack of energy and turnout. So if enough Democrats are disillusioned, even if they don't turn out and vote for Republicans, if they just don't vote and then the other guys show up and vote. That's a huge fucking problem. Turnout amongst your voters is a huge thing. And if you disillusion them and you steal the energy from that system,

it's a big fucking problem. These are razor-thin margins because of Jeremy Edring. These are razor-thin margins that we probably won't win anyway unless everybody comes out. And if people are disillusioned and they see Mansion and cinema blocking things like that, they could literally tank the whole country by not. Because here's the thing that could happen.

If mansion and cinema or whatever, and this thing gets passed and it somehow gets through everything and people start recognizing there's enough time for it to start really impacting lives, women's lives, specifically women suddenly have an ability there's enough time for it to start really impacting lives, women's lives specifically. Women suddenly have an ability to, you know, have childcare.

Childcare and enter the workforce again. It would be a huge boon for them. And that would change so many people's lives that it might motivate people to start to think about that as a motivator to get out and vote and say, no, that changed my life. But there's just a slim time to do it. And the longer they delay, the worse

off everything is. And so we're in a bind right now. And the writing's on the wall when it comes to Virginia. There's got to be a lot more organizing and mobilizing that takes place because if not, 2022 is going to come and it's going to be a sweep in the House and you're going to lose the House.

And here's, I am 100% predicting this now, they will impeach Joe Biden. They will 100% impeach Joe Biden. I guarantee you. Yeah, I don't doubt it. I guarantee you they will impeach. And they don't need anything. They will just, they'll literally just impeach.

And they will do it. Trust me, every single time the House gets, every single time from now on, The House flips. The House goes to the Republicans, they will impeach. I guarantee you. If it's a Democrat, they will impeach him. I guarantee it.

I don't doubt. I think we have one opportunity, and it's shrinking by the day, to show people that government can work. And every day that we don't do that, we tell people the other story, that government doesn't work. And that's the Republican story, is government doesn't work, so let's not have big government. So every day that we fail, it's not just that we didn't pass our goals, it's every day that we're telling the Republicans that

they were right all along. You proved them right. We got a message. This one is from JJ and they sent in this image. So great. And it's about, you know what it is? It's a reveal party. It's a celebration.

It's a celebration reveal party. We're going to put the image on this week's show notes. Hopefully Ian remembers. He probably won't because he's terrible at his job, but maybe. Trying to fix the internet.

Who knows? Who knows, Tom? We got a message, and this one is from Ben. And Ben sent in a message, and he said, Hey, the email said the conspiracy theories are not epistemically compelling. Rather, they appeal to people's emotion. That's 100% at odds with the research. Epistemic motives are a major contributor

to belief in conspiracy theories. I think it's appealing to think that conspiracy theory believers are emotional while skeptics are truly the rational ones. But in truth, most of the time, we don't reason our way to our beliefs any more than flat earthers do. I don't want to come across as saying

that I believe that. I don't reason our way to our beliefs any more than flat earthers do. I don't want to come across as saying that I believe that. I don't think I said that, but I want to make sure I 100% say, I absolutely agree with you. I think most people think with their gut. I think that people are motivated by, not by reason, but by emotion in most things that they think. And then there is a tiny bit of pushback from ourselves

to help correct that. But I think most times we are motivated and we need to be cautious about that. And I think the reason why skeptics are skeptic is because they started to caution themselves by trying to stop themselves from being as motivated by reason. But it's that, that's not a hundred percent. And I, and I recognize that we all think like that.

Every one of us. Yeah. I don't want to, I don't want to come across as superior. And if I did, I don't think that I, that's not what I meant to say. Um, but, but motivated reasoning and emotional thing, emotional reasoning is one of the reasons why people believe things that That is, and there's a lot of research out there that shows that that's why people believe those. That people react to things and then they figure out why later. And so there's a lot of research out there.

In fact, I would point you to a book that discusses the research at length and it's called The Righteous Mind. There's tons of data in that book that talks about how we are intuition driven. And so I would check that out actually if I were you

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