Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 603: Desperately Seeking John John

Episode Date: November 22, 2021

VULGARITY FOR CHARITY http://citationpod.com/vulgarity-for-charity/ Show Notes

This episode of Cognitive Dissonance is brought to you by our patrons. You fucking rock. Be advised that this show is not for children, the faint of heart, or the easily offended. The explicit tag is there for a reason. recording live from glory hole studios in chicago and beyond this This is Cognitive Dissidence. Every episode we blast anyone who gets in our way. We bring critical thinking, skepticism, and irreverence to any topic that makes the news, makes it big, or makes us mad. It's skeptical, it's political, and there is no welcome mat. This is episode 603, Cecil.

Yeah. Cecil, we are well on our way. We are chugging along into the Vulgarity for Charity modest needs. Give till it fucking hurts, Drive. We are so close at this point to that match.

As we record this, we're close to $80,000. That is awesome. Holy shit. That's all matched. But gosh, if we leave that 20 on the table, that's essentially leaving 40 on the table. Yeah is awesome. Holy shit. That's all matched. So, but, but gosh, if we leave that 20 on the table, that's essentially leaving 40 on the table. Yeah. That's a mistake. We don't want to do a lot of money on the table. A lot of people we can help. So I want to urge anybody. Here's the

thing too. You got to understand we're taking people now, right now we are taking uh names uh this actually to be honest we're recording this early yeah so but by monday we will have recorded two vulgarity for charity for charities with at that point 40 people we have picked already yep this is not the fucking power ball guys like right now your chances are like better than 50 way better like way better seven out of ten yeah you're almost certainly going to get your roast right and i know that you guys would but if everybody donates now what are you gonna knock it down to one out of five yeah like it's a fucking coin flip so it's and and there's there's good there's good good chance you're gonna get picked but then also there's people out there right now who don't want to roast.

Right. And if you don't want to roast, tell us that. And we mention you on the show. We say, thank you so much for doing this. We appreciate it. But it doesn't count. It's like I pulled it out of the hat. They don't want to roast.

And I'm just going to sit on my ass and not do a roast. No, we 100% will mention you. And then we'll also, so if you don't want to roast, donate and then just say you don't want to roast. Chances are we're going to shout you out on one of these programs. So please, please, please let's not leave this $40,000 on the table. It's a lot

of money. It's a lot of money. Here's another way to think of it. Modest needs, the average gift for modest needs that gets people out of the dire circumstances they're in. When we talked to Keith, he said the average gift is about $700. It's 57 families. Yeah.

Let's not leave 57 families hanging in the fucking wind. 57 families. 57 families, $40,000. I mean, you can change the lives or be a part of changing the lives of 57 families. And it's not one person, right? I think about times in my life that I have needed help or have been lucky enough to have received help.

And it's not like I'm the only one that was the beneficiary of that help. It has downstream effects on the people that I'm attached to and that are attached to me and that, you know, I have obligations to that I can meet because of that. So it's not 57 people. It's 57 families and all of the people that are attached to those families that rely on those families. Be a part of fixing that.

Be a part of helping those people. So if the 40,000 number is too big for you to connect with, break it down. That's 57 families that you can be a part of helping. Absolutely. I remember when I was a kid and my dad lost his job. My mom didn't have a job. We were on public assistance. We were living off paper routes and it was really difficult. And I remember my dad's buddy from, you know, he's known him for years, came over and he told my dad, you owe me money for a car. And my dad said, I can't

pay you for it. What are you talking about? And the guy said, you owe me $1. And he made my dad pay him a single dollar and he sold him his old car for a dollar. And that car got my dad a job and that got us out of debt, like out of poverty. We had lost our house. We had lost everything. We had lost all both our cars. They'd been pulled up and repossessed. My dad lost his job during the Reagan era and it like wiped us out. But that guy coming by and giving my dad a car for a dollar saved my family, But that guy coming by and giving my dad a car for a dollar saved my family, changed the whole course of where my family went from that point on. So, you know, all it takes is, and it was an old beater. You know what I mean?

Essentially, that guy gave $700. That guy gave somebody $700 and he changed an entire family's life. And so you can do that just by donating a little bit of money. A little bit of extra money can help change somebody's life. So please go to modestneeds.org. Donate. Anybody who donates $50 or more, send your proof to Vulgarity for Charity.

That's the word, not the number. So it's F-O-R, all one word, vulgarityforcharity, at gmail.com. Include your receipt, who you want roasted. Picture if it's somebody obscure or like your best friend or your cousin or whatever, and then tell us why you want them roasted. And we will be drawing these names off an Excel sheet. And the highest donors,

if you have a chunk of change you wanted, the highest donors are going to get one. So the highest hundred. And the highest hundred right now, like we said, there's not a lot of people. So the highest hundred, that number is not, there's not a lot of people. So the highest 100, that number is not unattainable. Right.

It's not like to be in that highest 100 you got to donate from a foundation. You don't have to give a kidney, guys. It's not that bad. It's well within the means of someone who has enough money to give.

You should be okay. We want to encourage people to give specifically to this. It's an important thing that we do every year. Sometimes it takes two years to do, but every year we try to do it. And it's important because the people need your help. So please, modestneeds.org, please donate. I got some really good stuff for you. What is that? It's lentils. What's a lentil? I have some lentils for you. I said, what is a lentil?

I can lend you some lentils. I don't want any lentils. So Cecil, this story comes from The Guardian. This story is, this story is, this is like the fucking times, man. In one story, this is everything about the fucking world we're living in right now. Detox routines won't undo COVID vaccine, experts tell anti-vaxxers. Ixnay, Ixnay. If they fucking think it will and it's not going to hurt them, like if it's just like a teaspoon of fucking lemongrass soup or something. I'm glad you're going down this road. I don't care. Tell him actually you guys out there amplify this message. Thank you. Amplify it. Tell all your

fucking weird uncle and your, your terrible in-laws, tell them to share this and say, no, you know what? You can 100% counteract the vaccine. All you have to do is get into a bath and dump in two or three tablespoons of apple cider vinegar. But whatever. It'll suck the fucking vaccine right out of you. Like a fucking pro, it'll suck it right out of you. Boom. Yeah.

Whoever you're talking to, here's what I think. Find their brand of crazy and leverage it. And just leverage it. So like, maybe they're an Instagram witch, you know? And you're like, listen, I know you don't want to get the vaccine, but you also don't want to lose your job. But here's the thing. I just found out that you can arrange a fucking rose quartz crystal next to a fucking some other kind of crystal I can't think of off the top of my head.

Geo'd by an amethyst and you can spin them around three times and say, and then it'll get rid of the vaccine. Fine. Fine. That's my new spell. I'm fucking doing that tomorrow.

And if you're like, if your brand of crazy- If your brand of crazy is homeopathy. Right. Then be like, you know what? Homeopathy sucks it right on you. Oh, pulls the nanoparticles. Exactly.

All you have to do, all you have to do is take one little homeopathy of onions or whatever. Weird shit they make you do. And you are. Yeah, 100%. The vaccine has no side effects. Everything. If you're like some fucking

jade egg person fine the jade egg soaks up like right out of your fucking pussy it just soaks up all the fucking

Bill Gates's or whatever it's like you pull it out it's just full of microchips no but seriously I don't even care I don't care either

like at this point there's no pushing some people there's no pushing some people. There's no moving some people. So like, you're right. Let's just leverage their nuttiness. Let's just leverage that and be like,

great. You know what? You're never going to listen to us. Cool. Here's the thing. You can get rid of it. All you have to do is get a vaccine because you know what? It's going to save people's lives.

It is. It's going to save people's lives. And you know what? There's people out there leveraging these people's crazy to make money. Instead, you're leveraging these people's unhingedness to save other lives. Yep. And I think that that's— And to save theirs, you fucking big numbskulls.

Also, you're right, to save their lives, to save the people around them. You know, the thing is—and, of course, nobody's ever going to do this. I get it. I understand. I'm going to do this. I think our side cherishes the truth's ever going to do this. I get it. I understand. I'm going to do this. I think our side cherishes the truth way too much to do this. You think too much of me. I'm going to do this tomorrow to somebody.

I want to. There's a woman I work with that I don't want her to get sick. I'm thinking in my head while you're talking like. What can I do? What can I do? What would move this nut? But the thing is, is there's got to be these memes out there. And even, you know, like the thing is, you might even be able to make them where you

could just make, you know how you get, I know a lot of people have to get the COVID vaccine, but here's a great way to detox directly afterwards and make it something super innocuous. Right. So it's like, like I said, like a teaspoon of vinegar in the bath, Chinese foot patches. Who cares? Yeah. Chinese foot patches. Right. Maybe then they get into Chinese foot patches, but they're alive. Yeah. You know? Yeah. They're not dealing with the long-term effects of COVID. Right. They're not hurting people around them that are immunocompromised.

They're not doing all the things that we want to stop. Right. Man, for real. All right. But you know what people are doing though? Yeah. They're taking baths. So here's what they believe.

Here's the thing. The thing with this article though, is that some of this stuff is dangerous. And I'm saying, I'm saying, not do the things that are dangerous. Yes, yes. Do the things that are like, like I said,

like something that is so innocuous, it's not going to hurt anybody. Right. Absolutely. Don't, this is, all right,

so in a TikTok video, it's received hundreds of thousands of views. Carrie Modedge, an osteopath based in Georgia, falsely claims that a bath containing baking soda, no problem.

Epsom salts that's nice sore muscles keeps the water warmer longer yeah yeah that's good and the cleaning ag borax okay borax not so much will detox the vax from anyone who's received a jab now i that's obviously complete and utter nonsense because that is not how any part of your body works. Think of any part of your body. No part of your body works like that, right? You cannot inject something that has systemic effects on the immune system and then expect that some ointment on your skin, regardless of what the tincture or potion is made of, will suddenly be like, oh, I got to stop having an immune reaction to the fucking, what the fuck?

I remember years ago, I remember years ago, you and I were talking and it had never occurred to me, right? Because like, I just didn't think about it and I'm kind of a dumb person anyway. So of course it wouldn't occur to me. But I remember talking to you about someone who had told us that you could take apple cider vinegar and it works on your joints. It makes your joints,

it makes your arthritis. It basically goes in and makes it so the places that you're on your body that are arthritic, they're covered in sort of calcium and that sort of dissolves the calcium. And I remember being like, I just think that's bullshit.

But I didn't know why it was bullshit. But my brain was like, that just sounds fucking stupid. It doesn't sound like it works. And your comment was, you don't just flip open your head and pour in apple cider vinegar and it's like, yum, yum, yum.

And it like travels through your body like scrubbing bubbles. Like it has to go through your digestive system. Your digestive system will change it and use it and pass it and filter it. And the other thing too is like your digestive system's acid is way more potent

than any apple cider vinegar vinaigrette you could ever possibly make. It's way more potent than that. But the thing is, it's like your stomach, it goes in your stomach and then your body's just like, cool, we fixed that.

It's not a thing anymore. And then it just digests what it can of the thing and then it takes the things that it, but like the idea that apple cider vinegar could just like, like scrubbing bubbles. Yeah. Right. Right. Doesn't that's not how it works. And that's what they're thinking here is that they will just put a thing on and then all of the toxins or whatever in your body, just like that. It's just foot patches. It's essentially foot patches. That's all it is. Yeah. This is my favorite line. I want to read this. I want to read the end.

It says, I think it's actually a good sign that these how to undo your vaccine videos are taking off, the doctor said. It suggests that

a lot of these people who previously were saying vaccines are terrible, I'll never do it, are actually doing it. And it's true. And this is another way too. You know,

we were talking earlier before we started recording, we were talking about how people dig their heels in when they're, and especially we're way too. We were talking earlier, before we started recording, we were talking about how people dig their heels in and especially we were talking about ivermectin and how it's so hard to change people's minds about ivermectin because they're just so dug in at this point, even though there's never been anything

that's come out about ivermectin to make it seem like it's a thing that works on anything. People will still dig their heels in about it because they don't want to be wrong. This allows people to not be wrong. Yes, I know. It gives them an out. It's a get out card, man.

We should, we really should. I'm actually not kidding. Like if you've got somebody in your life and it's a choice between they take a fucking bath full of Epsom salts, you know, I don't, not the Borax, but like if you can convince them to take a bath and get the vaccine, I will fucking bring the Mr. Bubble. I am reminded, Cecil, I am reminded of the people that think you can undo an abortion. Do you remember those stories? You know, refresh my memory because I don't.

There are people that think that you can undo an abortion if you do it fast enough. Not like a DNC, but like the- Oh, I remember this. Counteract the drug that's going to make you flush. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The after pill. Right.

And it's not a thing. Like, that is not a thing. But there are a group of people that believe you can undo what can be done. It alleviates their guilt. Right. That's what it does. Yeah. And so I'm wondering if, like, that same group of people that wants to believe that what's

done can be undone, if this kind of thinking doesn't appeal to them. Shame on you. Shame on you. Because as you probably don't know, I am a nurse and vaccines. Let me tell you something about vaccines. Vaccines are not what they're going to have to be. And if you click on this website, it'll tell you exactly what's really going on in the deep state. Because I have a feeling that even if I take a minute of time to educate yourself on this issue, it look really down no offense no offense really

loved your comedy but i have to thoroughly say i'm unfollowing you really really detrimental to those who actually know the truth okay this story also from the guardian chakras crystals and conspiracy theories how the wellness industry turned its back on COVID science. And we've talked around this topic a number of times. Yeah. We've talked around this a number of times. And I grabbed this article because the headline, I think, is actually kind of misleading in what it presupposes. And that's actually the piece that I wanted to

talk about. The wellness industry has always turned its back on science. It's not like they have a great track record. Right. The wellness industry has never been rooted in science. There should be nothing surprising in any way that the wellness industry, I will say this, Cecil, surprising in any way that the wellness industry, I will say this Cecil, my wife and I were looking just this evening at, we're looking at like a concierge doctor service, right? So we're looking at these different doctor services and we're looking at these websites and there's a handful of them and they use the word wellness. And in my mind, I hear that word as a buzzword for bullshit. I do. Whether that's fair or not, I don't know. But I immediately associate wellness with just nonsense, man. It's fucking nonsense. And the wellness industry has everything to gain from abandoning science and using its own methodologies and marketing to sell solutions.

Yeah. Because that's what they've been doing this whole time, man. Sure. I wonder if the wellness part that you're just talking about, I wonder if they're talking about the amount of time a doctor spends with you. Because when you go to a chiropractor, you go to one of these alternative medicine people, massage, you name it, there's They spend a lot of time with you. Whereas you go to a regular doctor and you might see the actual doctor for a short amount of time. The thing is, the doctor comes in and out of the room. The doctor moves in and out. But in one of these places where you

talk to a chiropractor for an hour, suddenly it feels like they really do care about what... So I wonder if that's the wellness thing that they're trying to tap into, that they still do regular science and regular medicine. And I hope so because that's a big part of what's missing. That's a big part of the, that is an important element in care. And it's not just because it's comforting, but because having some context around who a patient is gives you insight into the ways that they have changed over time, right? So if somebody comes in and they've only ever spent three minutes with you four times over two years, they have no idea. Every visit's a brand new visit. You know what I mean? It's a

brand new car in the showroom every time. There's too many people to remember. I don't care who you are. Right. And so I recognize that that word wellness might not be fair when it's applied to like an MDI. But it also probably flips the switch in you. It does. You know, the other thing about the wellness industry, which, you know, really kind of sickens me is that there's so much of the wellness industry

that is blaming the victim. They make it seem like you didn't have the right thing beforehand and that's what's making you sick now. You know what I mean? Like it's that blaming of the victim, blaming them for not, you know, they basically make it seem like you need to make your body well and it's a constant thing that you have to do.

And when you fail to do that, that's when you get sick. And it's just to sell you shit. I mean, that's all it's for. It's so that they can keep on bilking you. That's why, you know, like it's not, you're not just coming to them when you're sick, you're coming to them all the time because they want to make sure you're well. It's a maintenance thing. Yeah, maintenance. The wellness industry has somehow forgotten that the bulk of all people that have ever lived have not had access to their care. Right, exactly. And still somehow they manage to achieve and maintain homeostasis

for the bulk of their lives. Right. But they do. They do a very nice job of trying to sell you this idea that, oh, you know, you got to get in, you got to get a regular whatever. Regular adjustments if you're a chiropractor or regular acupuncture if you're an acupuncturist. But they're going to do that sort of thing because they want to get you on a schedule

so that they can keep on making sure that you're a returning customer. Right. They could turn a sick person into a returning customer for years. Well, that's the thing. It's like if they were taking you from sick to well and then saying thank you and go about your merry day. Yeah. Then, okay. You know, fine.

But these motherfuckers that take you from, whether they take you from sick to well or not, but they take a well person and they convince a well person that you will not stay well. Sure. Unless you keep writing me fucking checks. And you're like, anytime I hear that, it's like, how did I get here? Well, what's crazy too is that like literally the argument against most medicine is follow the money. Most medicine out there is like, look at what they do. They try to get you in there. And you're just like, yeah, but that's literally all

AltMed. What you're describing to me is what AltMedMed does. Exactly. I'm not saying that that's not even true, like that there is not some grift in all things business, right? So like I do believe that there is sometimes some grift. I mean, we covered the Sackler, the Purdue Pharmacist. Sure, absolutely. Huge amount of grift. So to not believe that there is occasionally bad actors and grift on the modern Western medicine side is,

is to not be true. That's foolhardy. But it's not like there's not a hundred percent grift. Yeah. In many of these, the other side. Yeah. Cause it's like,

there's no medicine behind any of it. There's nothing that backs it up. Right. Behind a lot of it. What exactly are you trying to say here? Mother, allow me to elucidate. We've raised myriad issues here today. Censorship, parenting, making gross noises with one's armpit.

But the nub of the argument is thus. Video games are shouldering the burden of a deeper problem. There's not the material that's to blame, but how parents teach their children to respond to it. My gosh, Billy, you're right. Books can be as dangerous as video games. There's only one reasonable thing to do. Become better parents and look after our children in a sensible way?

No. I thought this was a great story. This is from the Daily Beast. Chicago students call BS on parents book banning crusade. So this is some more of that fucking insanity where people are now worried that there might be, in this case, four or five copies of a book in a library with 5,000 students that have access to that library. And that book is Genderqueer, a coming-of-age book about gender identity. They want it pulled,

these fucking CRT-type nuts, you know? Anti-CRT. They can't stop. They can't stop themselves from trying to dig in and, like, sort of, like, they want to take away history that they don't agree, that they think that the children aren't ready for, right. So like when it talks to CRT,

they don't want them to be ready for it. They don't want to talk about anything when it comes to sexuality or anything. I want to read a part of this because it's fucking crazy. A guy says, this is Terry Newsome. My father has two kids in, in, at this place and it's Downers Grove, uh, is where it's at. It's near Chicago. Yeah. Said that the issue with the book is where it's at. It's near Chicago. Said that the issue with the book is that it's, quote, liberal code for teaching children how to perform oral sex, anal sex, wear strap-on dildos.

These graphic images are totally unacceptable regardless of the gender or sexuality, end quote. Okay. Are strap-on dildos exceptionally complicated? Do you need a whole book to show you how to wear a strap-on dildo, Tom? Brother, I was gonna... It's straps, man. Right?

It's like... It's not a complicated pulley system. This is a harness with an arrow pointing out. Are you fucking kidding me? Look, nobody that you know has read a book and that's how they learn to blow somebody.

Right? Nobody that you know read a book and that's how they learn to blow somebody. Right. Nobody that you know, read a book and that's how they learn to go down on someone. You don't need a fucking book to figure out how to fuck. People have been fucking people who cannot read and write. They fuck all the time. Dogs fuck each other. You don't fucking is the easiest thing your body does. When you are a teenager, you're basically a teenage boy is walking around thrusting all the time. Yeah. You're basically, you're not even walking. As a 15-year-old boy, I was propelled exclusively by hip thrusts

for like six years after that. My pelvis led me around. Right. I was like Pappy Le Pew in those fucking old cartoons where he's floating, except for it was my dick that was floating through the air. Are you kidding? Oh, God. They're going to learn how to perform oral sex.

No, nobody is going to need to learn. Also, are you banning phones? Yeah, man. You know, these motherfucking liars. Like, let's call this shit for what it is. These motherfucking liars, I guarantee I'll walk up to nine out of ten of them, and their kids are going to have fucking cell phones in their hands.

Cell phones with the internet. Yep. And you're worried about four books in a library. You're not worried about that. It was always bullshit. What you're worried about is the fact that some people are different and that scares you. Yeah. And that's a hundred percent it. The thing is, is that there's a, there's these people constantly talk to about how it's going to convert their children. And I'm just like, you can't teach somebody to be gay. I know, man. You don't just read a book and then you're suddenly gay. That's not how it works, man. It's just not how it works. Do you just like, there's never been a moment in my life that I was like, I don't know that I like girls. Like there's never been that moment in my life. That's how sexuality works.

You just, your brain is just like, no man, that's good. That's the good stuff right there. That's the stuff. So no matter what books you take out of any place, anywhere, it's not going to change. You know what? Before the printing press, there were gay people.

Well, let me offer another analogy. See, so what is your most hated food? Most hated food? A food that just doesn't appeal to you at all. You know what? I'm going to get a lot of shit for this. I hate sushi. Okay.

I hate it. Could you read a book that would make you want to have sushi? Probably. Could you look at a magazine full of sushi? I mean, I could. I could look at it, but I wouldn't. But it wouldn't make you hungry for sushi.

If I had a sushi menu in front of me right now, and I open up a sushi menu. I would want to get whatever's not sushi on that menu. Well, what about if I was rolling sushi in front of you? Would you, like, I'm making it right in front of you. I'd be like, oh man, I got to dip my face. No, I wouldn't want it. I would look for something else.

Because that's not how desiring things works. That's not how our taste for things works. Like, I don't like, I will use the example from the show. I hate eggnog. I wanted to like eggnog. You and I, you came to my house, we put it on video, we made it from scratch. We tried regular eggnog and then we made eggnog from scratch. We didn't like it either way. And I will say that if I'm going to like a food, I will be much more prone to liking something if I can appreciate it

and appreciate the process of it. Right. And so I did all the things that I would normally do to really be open-minded and appreciate something. I took one fucking sip of that stuff

and I hate it. I sucked one dick and I hate it. I gave it a college try. I was like three, you know, you really got to know. We really,

we, we, we, we, we jerked off a couple elves that day. Found out we didn't like it. No, but you're absolutely right.

That's not how desiring works. Right. It's just not how it works. And it's, it's been, you know, the thing is, it's like,

they think that there's some book that these, that, and the problem is, is what they don't want to do is they don't want to think they, they, if, if the books aren't to blame, then they think their parenting is to blame.

And you're like, nothing is to blame. There's no blame. Just decide that that's not wrong. First off, it's not wrong. Think of it as not wrong, but also there's no one to blame. Don't think about it as a blame thing. That will change your whole experience

with the whole thing. It's just like, but there is just a group of people out there. And this is Chicago. This is Downers Grove, man. This is a wealthy area of Chicago, like a suburb that should have more people in it. I think that

would be blue rather than red. This is an educated group of people. And they are very upset by this book. They don't want to see anybody grab this. And this book seems very innocuous. It does. And the reason I call this a good story is because the students are like, by this book. They don't want to see anybody grab this. And this book seems very innocuous. It does. And the reason I call this a good story is because the students are like,

fuck that noise. We're not putting up with it. Exactly. The parents are making noise, but the students, 200 students got together and they're like, no, fuck that noise. Good. You can't tell us what to do,

what to read and who to be. Yeah. Good for those kids. I'm about to get racist. Now I'm racist. It's okay, guys. I'm just kidding. I'm even more racist now.

Now I'm way beyond racist. I'm 100 times racist now. I've done it. I've reached full for racism. This story is fucking crazy, man. I had this story is from slate judges keep accepting nonsensical reasons to exclude black people from juries i don't like his beard i'm literally kidding literally yeah i'm not even kidding i wish i was kidding i'm not kidding so um you, you know, in the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, it's the,

what is it, the McMichael? Hold on a second. It's McMichael, Travis, Gregory McMichael, Travis McMichael, and William Roddy Bryan.

So in the McMichael trial, McMichael Bryan trial is what it is. Yeah. They were seating the jury and that jury has got one person of color. And they come from an area where there's 30%.

It's a 30% black area. So you got a jury of 12 people and you should have four. Yeah. You know, thereabouts. Three, four, yeah. You know, and you've got one. Yeah.

And how does that happen? Well, it happens because although it is illegal to kick a juror out of the jury pool for their race, you can kick them out for any reason that's not race. And they do it before there's actually like, they do it like in a time when there's like a selection process early where they can just like,

they said that they kicked out of this particular jury eight out of nine. Eight out of nine people of color. Eight out of nine people of color. And it's even worse than that because the judge said, this looks discriminatory. And there's nothing they can do about it because the actions that led to the discriminatory result were not individually identifiable through this system as discriminatory. So the preemptory challenge, and there may be some law talkers that'll know this better than I do. I just read the Slate article, but it sounds like the preemptory challenge is rather arbitrary. Unless it's sort of like firing somebody, right? Like I can call anybody into my office and I can fire them.

In Illinois. Yeah. And most states that are right to work state. So in Illinois, I can call anybody in my office and I can let them go. And as long as I didn't let them go because of race, color, religion, national origin, sex, marital status, age or handicap. So I can just let you go because I decided to. Yeah. And the reason could be since I've decided to let you go today because I don't need you anymore. Yeah. And that's all the answer I have to give. Yeah. And it could be in the back of my mind because you're white or because you're black or because you're handicapped but as long as I don't tell you that that's the reason if I just state a different reason

the preemptory challenge sounds like the same thing man and like the result the judge is like well this is discriminatory oh well oh no I guess I'm just the fucking judge yeah you're in a position now in this country where if that's the case,

like we were talking about before, if we keep on with this type of environment where the privilege to keep getting away with things over and over and over again, you're setting the table for something very, very explosive because there's going to be a point where things break down. If you keep on having these blatant displays of disgusting displays of, of damage to, uh, you know, a vulnerable community and there's no retribution, there's nothing there. There's no, there's no punishment. There's nothing you're going to see. It can't keep happening over and over and over again. It can't,

there's going to, especially nowadays with the way things are, the way, the way news works and the way we're constantly bombarded by these images, there's no way you're going to be able to, you're going to be able to keep the lid on this for too long. And this is one of these cases where this guy's just running around. This guy's just jogging and they drive up and they shoot him. They fucking murder this man. And they add like a Dixie fucking

license plate and they're fucking, these are old boys. This is a modern day lynching. 100%. And they got away with it for a while. A couple months or something like that they had gotten away with it until finally somebody did something about it. But this is one of these

moments where there should be more people of color on that jury because guaranteed if you're the one person on that jury who says no they're guilty and the rest of them are all like no they're fine. Come on. They were mistaken or whatever. You have a much better chance of at least standing if someone's standing with you and not falling to the, you know, the, the way of the

crowd in that jury, you know? And I don't know state by state how it works, but you know, in some states you don't have to have a unanimous verdict. So there are some states that don't require a unanimous verdict. So if you're saying, no, I think this person's guilty and the other 11 are like, nah, not guilty. There are many,

not many. I don't know the number, but there are states where unanimous. I always thought it had to be a unanimous. No, there are states. Yeah. I,

I just, I just found out about this relatively recently. Now, I don't remember the number of them, but there are states where it's not required to be unanimous. I didn't know that. Wow. Which is fucking crazy.

Wow. Yeah. I don't think it's a strict to be unanimous. I didn't know that. Which is fucking crazy. Wow. Yeah. I don't think it's a strict plurality, but like it varies. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. This is one of those cases though.

And this is a long article. It talks a lot about this, this practice of dismissing jurors. And it clearly, you know, like when you just start looking at this over time and you're looking at how, how these jurors are getting dismissed,

you're just like, no, that seems discriminatory. But the rules that got put in place didn't seem discriminatory when they were put in place. And now they're, now they're canon. You know what I mean? And they even teach classes on how to like use your preemptory challenge to seat the jury that you want in ways that won't call to attention your real motive. Jesus Christ. They teach classes on how to have a racist jury. That's what that is. That's fucking psycho, man.

It's fucking nuts. Do you think the moon is an habitant? I don't think the moon exists, frankly. How does it stay up in the sky? Wouldn't it just fall down? Is the sun real? Perhaps. Well, Cecil, I'm just going to read this one.

Hey, I really like New zealand though i know man enjoyed it like i had i had such a great time there the people there were lovely you said it's a beautiful country so beautiful i would move there in a second if they would have me it was so gorgeous i went to the south the southern island that queensland i think it's queenstown is what it's called gorgeous down there went to milford sound and oh it's called. Gorgeous down there. Went to Milford Sound and oh, it's just such a beautiful trip. I loved it so much. And the people there were wonderful. What the fuck is happening, New Zealand? Virus, man. This QAnon shit is a goddamn virus. Unbelievable. New Zealand QAnon fans believe Trump secretly arrested their prime minister two years ago. So there's a video. I

can't play it because it's just like, it's a fucking crowd and you can't hear anybody and there's no directional mic. So it's getting the whole of everybody. And so they're very difficult to hear. But I want to point out, these are, these are protesters. These are protesters in New Zealand with American flags and Trump flag. American flag. And then they have Trump 2020 flags. Keep America great. Like, I don't understand what's happening. They think that their prime minister, in this conversation, they think their prime minister came to the United States a couple

years ago and then got an ankle bracelet and got arrested and then went back to go be prime minister. We've heard this narrative before. Do you remember? I'm trying to remember who else they said was arrested John McCain

John McCain was secretly arrested they kept showing like they did like circles of his leg pant leg or whatever and then Hillary Clinton was secretly arrested secretly arrested as well why the fuck do you secretly arrest people and then turn them loose it's like tagging wildlife in a nature documentary

seriously 100% it's so crazy I would love to be arrested arrest people and then turn them loose. It's like tagging wildlife in a nature documentary. Seriously, 100%. What? It's so crazy. I would love to be arrested and say, if I commit a crime and they arrest me in such a way that all they do is give me a fucking bracelet and then I get to do everything that I want to do. And you're doing the things, Tom,

the things that they're accusing these people of are like killing children and trafficking children. Right. And then they're just like, of are like killing children and trafficking children. Right. And then they're just like, okay, but you got to wear an ankle bracelet and then go back to your job as prime minister. You got to be in super duper charge of big important stuff.

But you are also secretly arrested. Right. So I just want you to recognize you're secretly arrested. You can just go out and I guess just still traffic children. I have a secret 10 inch dick too. Right? Like get the fuck out of here. Well, shit children. I have a secret 10 inch dick too, right? Like get the fuck out of here. Well,

shit, if it's a secret, it's 14 inches. Are you kidding me? The secret has to be believable. Okay. Yeah, that's true.

It's four inches. No, but seriously, like this is one of those moments that you watch people. First off, I always just assume somebody outside of the United States is probably smarter. I just automatically assume that whatever I just, I just, when I go to another country, I was just like, these people are probably a lot smarter

than most people. Maybe even me. I always, whenever I walk around these countries, different countries, but you know, you go to New Zealand and you think, okay, there's gotta be some smart as whip folks there, but there's just a group of people over there waving Trump flags, thinking somebody got secret arrested and they're still trafficking humans, little babies. Like, I just, I can't, I don't know how these people, this is like, this is 100% copium, right?

They're just trying to figure out a way that these bad people who they hate and who they've accused of hideous things are somehow being punished, but nobody knows about it. Yeah, secret probation, secret double probation. It's the only way that they can get by. It's the only way that these people's minds can continue.

Because if not, they've got to keep being confronted with the fact that none of the things they say come true. Right, yeah. Which at some point, doesn't the clock begin to run out on come true. Right. Yeah. Which at some point, doesn't the clock begin to run out on your crazy? Right. And I'm a little astonished that as we close in on 2022, the crazy has not run out in ways that are, I think, time sensitive. Right. There are time sensitive events, which your narrative means had

to have happened and then they don't happen, but you're all herald camping yourself. They're all herald camping themselves. It's insane. Time after time after time, every one of these people that we cover has to walk back these things that they said are going to happen.

Oh, I've been reading Q and there's going to be all these massive arrests. Look at these people are still downtown. I write a story this week. Those people are still down in Dallas. There's still a hundred people. What, waiting for Kennedy? Still waiting for John John. They're still waiting.

I don't know if they're intense. I don't know what's going on. They're still there, man. Are you serious? I'm serious, dude. Hold on. Let's find a story and talk about I'm serious, dude. Hold on. Let's find a story and talk about it right now.

Oh, that's so good. That's so delicious. Oh, that is amazing. Still waiting at the grassy knoll. Here we go. Here we go. Gizmodo,

two weeks later, QAnon supporters are still awaiting JFK Jr.'s return at the grassy knoll. Oh, I got, oh. Why don't you just read this? Just read it. What might think that after waiting around

Dallas, Texas for weeks, expecting weeks. What do you have a job? Thank you. What are you doing, man? How do you have weeks? Did you just like save up your vacation for John John's return? What the fuck, man? Yeah, boss. I'm not going to

be able to come back to work. I'm waiting for you know, it's a whole thing. I'll tell you what I... I don't want to say. I don't want to say. To emerge and give a surprise speech restoring Donald Trump to the presidency, one would simply conclude that JFK Jr. is dead, and he's not going to do that. That is not the case

for QAnon supporters. For the uninitiated, QAnon is less a coherent set of beliefs than an amalgamation of bigots, rubes, and hardcore evangelical Christians convinced that Trump is secretly waging a global war against a democratic Hollywood Camarilla of satanic pedophiles.

What the fuck is happening? When they put it that concise, it's like, Tom, when they say that paragraph so concise is like a pistol in my mouth. I know, man. It is like, Tom, when they say, with that paragraph so concise, it's like a pistol in my mouth. I know, man. It is like a pistol in my, I read that and I'm just like,

what the fuck, man? That is the most concise, depressing paragraph I've ever heard read in my entire life. About a third of America believes some element of that. Good Lord. Earlier this month, hundreds of devotees of the arcane conspiracy theory

showed up at Dealey Plaza in Dallas, which I think it's Daily Plaza in Dallas, which contains the grassy knoll near where President John F. Kennedy was shot and killed in 1963. There they waited for John F. Kennedy Jr., who they believe faked his death with his spouse and sister-in-law in a 1999 plane crash to avoid being assassinated by the evil cabal okay the story goes the kennedys then waited for their moment to return and do something depending on which q anon person you asked you might hear that jfk jr would return to run as trump's vice presidential candidate in 2024, or that he would be making an appearance

alongside his also dead dad to proclaim Trump the King of Kings. How old would JFK Sr. be right now? Let's just look that up. They're saying he's alive too? I'm sorry. He's born in 1970, he'd be 104. That's a 104-year-old man.

I don't think so. He's 104? I don't think so. I don't think so. Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense. i don't think so he's 104 i don't think so i don't think so the fuck out of here with that nonsense i don't think so what yeah jfk jr who feels rather pointless to continue pointing out his dead remains so that apparently hasn't deterred the q anon types from returning according to daily beast reporter will summer who observed a crowd of hundreds of QAnon supporters returning to the plaza on Monday night. Seriously, man. Hundreds, dude.

They came back. They came back. Yeah, it's still going to happen. So this is another moment where they're just like, something doesn't happen. God, someone go down there and dress like Jon Jon. Please, please, please dress like Jon Jon and come out. This is like

100% that needs to happen god that needs to happen we should do it what does he look like I don't know pull him up can I pass for him

what does he look like let's go to Dallas no really there's gotta be somebody let's see let's see John F. Kennedy

I mean yeah but he maybe because he's been in hiding for a long time maybe put on weight alright I don't know man I don't think maybe because he's been in hiding for a long time. Maybe he put on weight. All right.

I don't know, man. I don't think so, Tom. Oh, he's real handsome. He's a real handsome guy. Maybe he got ugly somehow. Maybe he got ugly and short. I don't think that happened. Okay. You're looking at a picture of his face.

You have no idea if he's short, Cecil. Okay, you're right. There could be handsome short people. No, you're right, Tom. You're right. I'm sure of it. Yeah. Look up how tall he is. I look a lot like that. Do you? No, he's real handsome. He's a real handsome guy. I don't look like that. Admittedly. He's a very

handsome fella. Yeah. Yeah. There's, there's, uh, yeah, I don't know anybody who looks like him. I don't know anybody that looks like him either. Damn't know anybody who looks like him either. I don't know anybody. Damn it. All right, guys, if you look like John F. Kennedy Jr., but you don't have to look like him back from 1963. No, you got to look at 20 years. No, but he didn't die in 63. I'm talking about this is John F. Kennedy Jr.,

so 99 is when he died. Okay, yeah, right. So all you have to do is be a 20 years later JFK Jr. Maybe it's been a rough 20, man. Could have been a rough 20. I'll tell you. Maybe it's been a rough 20, man. Could have been a rough 20. I'll tell you what, it's been a rough two. It's been a...

Everybody looks like this now. Sorry. Everybody looks like this. Fucking nobody has aged well the last fucking 730 days. Admittedly. But here's the thing. If somebody out there

makes good latex masks... Yeah. All right, I'll tell them. I love the CSO. They're still there, I'll tell it to you. I love, I love the CSL. They're still there, man. Still there,

bro. Still there, still there. Is this like, is this the wacko conspiracy political equivalent of waiting for your

sports team to finally win the big game? No, because. When they're like bad? No, because your sports team has a chance of winning

the big game. That's true. I mean, like, I don't care. On a shorter, on a long enough timeline, even the Cubs won the World Series again. Yeah, okay. All right., like, I don't care. On a long enough timeline, even the Cubs won the World Series again.

Yeah, okay. Alright. You know what I mean? Like, on a long enough timeline... Well, on a long enough timeline, maybe John F. Kennedy Jr. will return from the death. I mean, yeah. On a long enough timeline, we all return from the death. Right. But, you know, like, the thing is, is there's nothing comparable to this. No. There's just nothing. I mean, the only thing

you compare it to is Harold Camping. Like, someone who makes things up. I mean, the only thing you compare it to is Harold Camping. Like someone who makes things up for a living. The only thing you compare it to is people who lie and then they get caught in their lie. The only thing that's new about this is that people just can't stop thinking it's a lie. There's never a moment where they realize I was lied to. Yeah.

There's never a realization. And there's no, there is no event which would upend that worldview it seems. Yeah. You know, it is. Because you believe something without evidence, now you never need any evidence for anything ever again, so it doesn't matter. And counterfactual evidence is always

in the conspiracy theorist side, right? Yeah. Because you can always spin a yarn to re- contextualize and re-establish a new narrative. Oh my God, is that the governor? Are you the governor? Oh my God. Why would you sign a law telling women whether they can have an abortion or not? That makes you a douchebag. Story comes from Huffington Post. House GOP lawmaker takes credit for infrastructure funding he voted against. Well, the infrastructure bill went through, Tom.

The infrastructure bill that was passed was the, like what they call like hard or traditional infrastructure. And it's like, it's a trillion dollar bill. Yeah. And it's got some good stats, bridges, roads. Yeah. It's on internet. Right.

Yeah. So there's some good stuff in there. It doesn't have. It's good enough that Republican lawmakers that didn't vote for it are saying that it's good. Right. Yeah. It's the second bill now that's the social safety net bill

that's still held up. Yeah. And who knows what that's going to finally look like. Probably not going to make it. I know. I just wish like at this point, because things look really dismal for the Democrats coming forward.

So bad. Look bad because of the redistricting and all that stuff and the gerrymandering that's happened. Like at this point, they're, they're, they're,

they're already saying that they're going to lose a bunch of seats. Right. So they're already saying they're going to lose a bunch of seats. I'm going to predict right away that they're going to try to, they are going to impeach Biden. I'm going to predict that right away. They're going to impeach. Do you think so?

I think they will impeach Biden. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I wonder what the trumped up charge will be. It doesn't, I don't think it matters.

Can we call him trumped up anymore? No, I don't think, I don't think it matters though. I think it'll be anything. It'll be literally anything and they will impeach him. They're going to impeach him and they're going to do it

every time they have the thing, every time they have it. And they're going to do it all the time. They'll impeach him multiple times. You think we're just going to impeach presidents now because it's going to be the new thing? I think so. And there's nothing that you can do

because all that's going to do is going to slow down the process because they didn't hear it both times in the Senate. I don't know if they didn't listen to it. They impeached him, but it never made it to the Senate to actually get any kind of deliberation. Or maybe did it make it to the Senate,

but they voted on one of them, I think. Yeah, I was just saying, it did make it to the Senate. One of them made it. But the other one was, they never even heard it. He was impeached in the House. Yeah, I was just saying, it did make it to the Senate. One of them made it. But the other one was, they never even heard it. It was impeached in the House. Yeah, but they never heard it.

They didn't even hear it one time. Right, right. And then I think they listened to it, but then they just said no or whatever. And of course, because it takes too many people. There's no way you're going to whittle the Democrats

all the way down to 30 seats or something like that. That's not going to happen. So you would need to have, so you're not going to happen no so it's you need you would need to have uh so it's you're not going to be able to physically get them out of office but you will be able to impeach them and they're going to do that and then they're going to bog government down because that's in the conservatives that's their entire that's their entire ideology in their favor so it's fine so what you're going to do is you're going to see that happen over and over and over and over again the problem is is that if they keep doing keep doing that, they're not even going to be able to pass, like, because Trump

couldn't even get this infrastructure bill passed. Right. And I remember, I thought, as I recall, there was people on the, that even on the Democrat side that wanted to have something. Yes. This is actually, the infrastructure bill, I will say it is an achievement. First of all, it's a big trillion dollar piece of legislature that happened. Yeah. And it was bipartisan. Yeah. In at least somewhat.

In the House. I think there were 13 Republicans that voted for it. But it was also bipartisan in the Senate. Mitch McConnell voted for it. That's right. Yeah, you're right. So it's a bipartisan piece of legislation. Infrastructure spending that's on traditional infrastructure has been wildly popular. And you're right. Trump tried to do it. He couldn't get it done.

What's crazy though, is that now Biden does get it done. And the Trumpists are furious that essentially many of the same things they were trying to accomplish, they couldn't do. Now those things are done and they're mad about it. Yeah. Which means this was never about doing good things for America. No. Right. And I know getting credit for it. Exactly. It's all about political gamesmanship. Not look, this is a good bill. It was a good bill. These were good ideas when they were my ideas. They're good ideas when they're your ideas. Right. So if I have a great idea and then I can't get it done cecil and you get it done it doesn't turn into a bad idea right because i resent you for accomplishing what i couldn't do

no they're talking about the people who voted for the infrastructure bill they're openly calling these people traitors yeah traitors yeah that's where we're at now. Yeah, that's the ideology of that party, though. Holy fuck, man. Yeah. The thing is, is like, we're at a point now

where you're going to see, you know, when this happens, especially if, you know, you can't get, you know, a bunch of Democrats

to save their seats in the next turnaround, you're going to see that happen. And it's not going to, you're not going to see any progress in government for years to come at this point. The only thing that's going to save you is if there's just this massive flip.

And we're in serious trouble moving forward just because the cards are stacked against you. So in my opinion, what needs to happen is there needs to be irreversible stuff he does in executive orders before he leaves. Get rid of all student debt before you walk out. Red pen, all that shit. Get rid of it all.

Because if he does that, that alleviates a ton of people that are under the thumb of this student debt that they've taken out for years and years and years. That changes a lot of people's lives. That may convince a ton of people to start voting and to start also just pushing for those types of...

You know, that's true. There's a couple of things he can do with a pen that can really help us. And I think if he can't get it through in Congress, he should start doing... Because I remember one of the reasons why I wanted Bernie Sanders is because fucking the environment needs help right now.

It can't wait. It can't, we can't put this off and we can't like try to get it to the Senate. He was going to executive order a bunch of stuff. And even if Bernie got voted out in four years, if Bernie was in there and four years worth of hard pushing to do this stuff, in some ways, when you change production lines and you do all this, it's sort of tradition now. Now it's like, you've got to change back to the bad way. Why would you do that? Some things are hard to roll back.

They're hard to roll back. And so if you just do it, you can just fucking do it. And now it's done. And guess what? That's the new rule. And it's going to be the new rule for four years. And you're going to lose if you don't adapt to that new rule. And then when you try to change it back

in the future, everybody will be like, no man, this is how it is. I don't want to go back because that's more money I have to spend to fix it. And so you can change

a lot with that pen and I hope he does realize that it's not going to be through legislature. I don't think it's going to be. He's not,

he's never going to convince the people on the other side and we have too, too tiny a margin to even get the people to talk about stuff. Infinitely small margin. You can't even get people to talk about stuff. So he's just got to do things, I think, by executive order. The chances of us losing the White House, the Senate, and the—

Are massive. Are massive. So at this point, just be like, cool, now it's scorched earth for everyone's benefit. Right. Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I would love to see the second infrastructure bill, the social spending infrastructure bill. I'd love to see it pass,

even if it's not, and it's not going to be. I'd love to see it pass, even if it's not going to be anywhere near as robust as what it should be, right? Because I think, one, it's a giant win. I think there's still a lot of really good stuff in what's been pared down. Something is better than nothing. The nothing is what we've done for years and years and years and years and years and years. And I agree with your

point. And I think if you give people things like universal pre-K, you can't roll that shit back because you've effectively now taxed people. So if they've had no pre-K, you can't roll that shit back because you've effectively now taxed people. Yeah. So if they've had no pre-K expense and they've been able to send their kids to pre-K and then all of a sudden somebody's like, wow, we're taking that away. You've taxed them, massively taxed them. They'll fucking flip their shit. So we have to give them some. It's like the senior citizens with social security. Yeah. Right. You know, every time anybody ever talks about taking away social security or cutting social security or privatizing social security,

that largest block of voters flips their shit and they vote and nobody wants to go near it. And it's the same thing. You start doing this sort of thing with any kind of major legislation stuff that they need to do. If they could start getting these things in there, you know, if they can executive order it, you're going to,

that's suddenly going to be a big deal. I don't know if you can executive order universal pre-K. I don't know if that's possible. I don't think you can do that because I don't think you can spend the money. It's the money stuff. But I agree with you. There are some things that he can do by executive order

that he has a very narrow window. Yeah. What my hope is, is that he's not doing that because he doesn't want to kick the hornet's nest before getting the bill passed. Yeah. Well, that, and you know, maybe he's waiting for after 2022. Right. See how that shakes out. And if it looks like it's terrible, then he's like, great executive order, executive order, executive order. But I think if you got, I think you got to do it now. I think you've got to hit

people with that environmental thing now and say, we can't wait till tomorrow. Everything is pointing to it being absolutely a dire situation. And people are going to these, there was a big conference recently where the news that was coming out of that was so fucking just depressing and sad.

And it's like, yeah, that's the world, man. That's the world we live in now. I listened to the leader, I don't remember what his title was, of Fiji. And he was addressing the world. And he was like, my nation is not an, like losing my nation is not an option. We are not disposable or dispensable.

And I was listening to them and it's so many, and again, I have an affinity because I thought that was a beautiful place and I've been there, but like there are so many nations that are low-lying nations that are poor, that are experiencing this terrible existential crisis. They may not exist anymore. Places like Fiji or Martinique may not exist. That's a crazy thing to think is that entire nations could just be Atlantis. God, just God. You know, like we can't let that happen. We just can't. I love books. When I was growing up, books were my friend. When I didn't have friends, I had books. So for the Cogdes Book Club this week,

we read chapter 16, When Scientists Know Sin. This chapter, what I love about this book is that Carl is not afraid to turn his very critical eye against science sometimes. And in this case, it's one of those things that Carl was very passionate about against science sometimes. And in this case, it's one of those things that Carl was very passionate about in his life. He wrote a couple of books on this topic

and it's about nuclear war and it's about the chance for our species to eradicate itself, right? There's a chance. Well, and many others. And many others, yeah. I mean, I am talking about us, but you're right.

It's literally most of it. But this is a topic that he's very passionate about in his life. And what is interesting is that you can see how much he wants to point out. People who make horrible technologies, they also have to understand that they are making a technology that can hurt and injure people. They have to have to understand that. And it's in contrast to another book called Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman. And it's a book written by Richard Feynman. And it's about his life. It's sort of an autobiography, but it's funny and clever

little stories. And he's actually a really good writer and he's a really funny guy and he's really quirky and kind of weird, but he worked on the Manhattan Project. So he went off and went to work on the Manhattan Project. And he was one of those people who worked on that. And there's a story of him in that book of the night they found out that, you know, that, you know, the bomb went off. I mean, he's out with all the rest of the people drinking found out that you know that you know the bomb went off I mean he's out with all the rest of the people drinking and partying in the parking lot

banging on his drum and he brought his drum out and he was drumming for them and like they were having like a a celebration because they worked so hard on this thing for so long and there's you know like at the same time there's this feeling of,

you know, there's so many people dying, so many people dead, but that, that exhilaration of it worked and it, you know, it did this thing. So, you know, this, this, this book is really, this book that we're reading now, Demon Haunted World is really interesting because it's, it's, it's the scales of balance are coming back and saying no that's that's a bad thing and he actually talks about another scientist in this in this portion that really wants to like make like sun-sized nukes and like blow up a bunch of shit and like yeah the guy he talks about is is you know it's almost like a mad scientist one thing that carl i think calls out and rightly rightly so, is that once we have a moral obligation to anything that we create, including scientists. And he talks about one of the scientists that devastating power of that weapon, he then, I think, desperately was trying to find a way for it not to be an evil thing.

Yeah. You know, and he had, and there are some that are more successful arguments for lack of evil than others, right? But there is a sense that we're all human and we do things that we're trying desperately to justify this thing that we have done. Yeah. You know? And I think that science is absolutely not anything that happens outside of people. And Carl recognizes the people-ness of it. The fact that we are all, that the science that we do, science as a process will self-correct.

But the science we choose to do has to be undertaken with a morality in mind. And when we miss that, then we run into trouble. We run into scary situations. And I think that that's worth calling out. It doesn't make science the wrong process, but it does make us obligated

to the moral component of things that we learn and create. It makes us recognize that scientific ethics should be a thing. Yes. Right? Yeah. It makes us recognize that we need to temper our scientific curiosity and the things that we create with the ethics to know that what we create, we have to control. Yes. Yes, yes. And if you don't, then you're meddling with something

that you're now trying to chase. And that's what this guy was doing his whole life. He's ethically trying to chase this thing. Exactly. That he let out of a bag. Right. And he's like, I gotta figure out a way that this is- What if we used it to dig-

Canals. What if I blew up the whole moon? He really did say like- I'm not even kidding. Like, what if we shoot it to dig canals? What if I blew up the whole moon? He really did say like, what do we shoot a bomb into the moon to see what the moon's made of? I'm not even kidding. But yeah, so, but what I love though is that Carl is not afraid to point out.

He doesn't feel like, you know, many people when they're trying to tout the benefits of something, they refuse to talk about any of the negatives. Yeah. And Carl doesn't do that. No. He doesn't steer away from that.

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a camp quest for grownups. It's an opportunity for grownups to go and do camp and have games and activities and screw around. That's amazing. No kids. Do you want to go to camp quest

for adults, Tom? It sounds so good. I always wanted to go to summer camp. I never went as a kid either. I never went. Did you want to go to Camp Quest for adults? That sounds so good. I always wanted to go to summer camp. I never went as a kid either. I never went. Did you want to go? I always wanted to go. I always wanted to go to summer camp.

I remember there was, so one of the things was, is that it costs a little money. Yeah, it's expensive as shit. It was, well, so- Not Camp Quest though. Camp Quest is actually very reasonable. But when I was a kid,

the summer camps cost a ton of money, but the one they did through school, they did an overnight. Oh, gotcha. That was like a camp that you got to go visit. Right. And I remember as a kid, I wanted to go and they took the whole fourth grade class except for like me and one other kid. Oh, jeez.

We were the only two kids. Oh, jeez. Oh, super sad. But in any case, Camp Quest sounds amazing. As an adult, I want to go. Like, I want to But in any case, Camp Quest sounds amazing. As an adult, I want to go. I want to just go. It sounds so great. Summer camp sounds baller.

This isn't summer, though, by the way. This isn't January. It's January 14th. But where is it at? It's the 16th. It's in Bonham State Park. That's in Texas, right? I'm sure it's Texas.

Texas is always summer. It's going to be warm. You'll be fine. Check this out. We're going to put a link on this week's show notes. There might not be electricity if Ted Cruz. Yeah, probably not. You might have to fight like a wandering Ted Cruz.

Keep him away from your garbage. We got a bunch of messages about single-payer health care from a bunch of different people, and a bunch of people wish Haley well. Yeah, so I know I mentioned on the last show that we've been going through some stuff and I use that as a springboard to talk about the healthcare system

and my frustrations with it. Many of you have reached out and sent messages publicly and privately. And I just really want to pause here and say thank you. They mean a lot. They're really kind of you. They're very generous for you to give your time and your attention to my family. I don't know what else to say except for just, it's very sweet and it's

very kind and it's very generous of you. And thank you. Got a message. This is from Jared. And Jared said he got, his brother got him hooked on Citation Needed. And then he finally worked his way over to Cogdiss. And he started listening to us. He really enjoys the show, but he wanted to tell us about he's the son of a fisherman in New England. So he had a lot of seafood growing up. He's like, I mean, spoiled bastard amounts. But my point is, Cecil, I've been

trying for years to like lobster rolls. I keep trying them and every time I'm disappointed. I want to try the Connecticut one before I turn them completely down. I know I trust Tom. Tom and I, we eat a lot of food together.

We have eaten a lot of food together. I trust Tom's taste buds. I would like to try one. Like he likes one. Not like I would. Not on a seafood salad. Fucking seafood. Fucking seafood salad.

Motherfucker. So someone sent in a message. Kyle sent a message to that. I want Cecil to do a Citation Needed episode on Attack on Titan in the same way that Heath did one on Hellish Truck, where Heath didn't read the book. He just did spark notes.

I should totally spark notes. I did watch like the first six episodes of Attack on Titan a while back. Did you? Yeah. It looked creepy and weird. And like the big giants, like don't have. It was, it looked creepy and weird. And like, like the big giants,

like don't have skin partially weird and like, do you like anime? I never was able to get into it. When I was a kid, there was a couple of shows that I really enjoyed. A buddy of mine turned me on to a show called Ronma one half, which was a show where a guy was essentially a gremlin where he was a boy and then whenever he got wet,

he would become a girl. Okay. And so there was like a back and forth and it was like a, it was a cutesy show, really wet, but he was also like a karate fighter and stuff.

And I remember watching it and being like interested and it was an interesting, like, because it was so different from any other kind of, kind of show I had ever seen. Yeah.

Because it's a very, it very, it very much felt like a show that wasn't from American producers. It felt very different. And so I was really into it and I thought it was fun to watch. Uh, and then, uh, yeah, so I watched a little bit of that and I watched Robotech growing up. So like I was kind of into anime, not a lot, but enough. And so a couple of times that things have come on on Netflix, I've watched them.

There's a, the, the, what's that? Castlevania. Is that the name of it? Oh, the video game.

There's a, there's a pretty good, at least I watched the first season. I didn't watch the second season, but there was a, the first season of Castlevania was fun. Like really anime. It's really gory.

And like, that's pretty, I love those load. And like, it's like, but it was fun. So there like that's pretty i love those load and like it's like but it was fun so there's some good stuff i mean i i think it's castlevania i don't think it i also watched one called vampire hunter d a long time ago which was fun too when i was uh maybe a year or two into college i liked akira remember akira i watched akira yeah so i liked akira and i liked a couple of those other ones There were more movies Than anything else

But yeah It wasn't like a series Somebody gave me a video cassette Because I'm old Of an anime It was LA Blue Girl And I had no idea what that was And I had no idea what anime was

I just was like Sure Whatever And I pop it in And I was It was the first time I'd ever seen like Porn as Oh it was porn? It was like Yeah time I'd ever seen like porn as, uh, it was like, yeah,

I had like the tentacle porn stuff and like, it was like all weird. And, and I was, I was not expecting it Cecil. Yeah. I had no idea. Like in my, like I cartoons were like, Whoa, the Simpsons, you know, like, and all of a sudden it's just like, the fuck is going on? The fuck is going on? The fuck is going on? I still remember just being like,

I don't know what to think right now. I am feeling real uncomfortable in my pants. I just wasn't expecting it. I was just shocked. I just watched a... It's not a No Reservations. I watched all of Anthony Bourdain's stuff, but he did one on CNN.

I think it's called Parts Unknown. Okay. And I watched the one on Japan and he goes to like all the seedy places in Japan. I mean, not really seedy, but you know, like he goes to all the places that are kind of like weird and quirky. Sure. And he goes to like a show and then he goes and he meets a guy who actually the guy who sort of thought up tentacle porn. Really? And has dinner with him. And at the dinner, the guy is showing him his drawings in this crowded restaurant. And people are looking and they see this stuff and nobody is reacting at all.

It's just like, whatever. They're just like, like, because it's just, they just, I don't know culturally. It's not a thing that's like, but it was such an interesting episode because they talk about a lot of different culture stuff in Japan.

I would watch that. It's great. You got to check out the Anthony Bourdain shows are so watchable. I like No Reservation. They're so watchable. Really good shows. But Parts Unknown is on the HBO Max. Okay. I will definitely check it. I love Anthony Bourdain. We got a message and someone

said, they actually prefaced their message with, I swear I'm not explaining Attack on Titan. This is relevant. And this is from Nick, who said that actually a long email that essentially says, look, Attack on Titan actually does have

a very deep tie to Japanese imperialism, Nazism, and like some really- Wow. Like nationalistic stuff. So it's not that only that it was, you know, they're, they're,

they're morphing people's faces to do violent things. It's also the, the undertone of the whole thing is very. Shocking. Right wing. Shocking Cecil. So, and again,

I don't know how true that is or not. So I just, I'm, I'm going off of what Nick said. Cause I only watched like the first six episodes, but I will say like, you know, it does feel pretty nationalistic when I watched it. So Tom, we wanted to thank Perry specifically.

Yeah. So this was just, I mean, this was just like an above and beyond kind of a thing. It actually floored me. A listener, Perry, sent us, and again, just referring back to some of the struggles that my wife's been having with her health, sent us a gift card for DoorDash. It just was like, hey, you know, get some takeout on the family, on me. That's so nice. I mean, it's just like, what a sweet, sweet gesture. That's very nice.

And completely unexpected. Very nice. Thank you. I already used it. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. We got a message from Marshall from Melbourne. Melbourne. We just want to give him a quick shout from Marshall from Melbourne, Melbourne.

And we just want to give him a quick shout. Thanks for listening to Marshall. Thank you so much for your email. I wanted to go to Melbourne. Yeah, man. I wanted to go so bad to that, to that place.

And I also wanted to like get on the back of that person's motorcycle that rode like 500 miles. Okay, Tom, we got a message. This is from Jan and it's a quote uh the quote is scratch an anti-vax and you'll find a eugenicist and most eugenicists are racist and or hate the poor i i wonder and this is from an infectious disease doctor that jan knows when tom and i were talking

about this one of the reasons one of the things that we'd said was like the average anti-vaxxer who's just sharing dumb shit and doesn't know any better, probably not. But maybe somebody who's thinking up anti-vax. The originators. The originators who are thinking it up and then like pushing it. Right. If they think it up and they know it's not real,

then maybe. Yeah. Yeah, there's a good chance, maybe. Yeah. We got a message. This is from Ian. And Ian is from the UK. And he sent in an image.

And the image is of Cadbury drinking chocolate. And he said, give me... He said, hi, I'll send one to you, motherfuckers. And he's showing us this Cadbury drinking chocolate. It happens to be Neapolitan. Here's the thing, Ian. It'll cost you like fucking $600 to ship that over here. It's like inordinately expensive for you to send a small can overseas. It's like obscene, the amount of money you have

to pay. So we'll see if we can find it and we'll try it on the air. We'll give it a shot. Yeah, I would try Neapolitan. It'll taste horrible, I'm sure. Certainly will. Tom, this is an interesting message. This is from Pillar. It says, at the end of the podcast, you mentioned how people make decisions. You said it's based on emotion, totally how they feel, not reasoned.

Richard H. Teller, which I may be mispronouncing, won the Nobel Prize in Economics for his work that said, against all economic orthodoxy, people make decisions emotionally, yet the economic community still acts like people are rational in their choices. And yeah, that is so fucking true. When you read economic theory and economic,

it's all based on this idea that people respond in this hyper-rational way to incentives. Look at what the stock market does, and it's emotional. The stock market itself just should disabuse any economist of those fucking hyper-rationalist theories. Look at what's happened. Look at what happened with the people who were too stubborn to sell the GameStop.

Right, yeah. Look at how they doubled down. How are they doing now? Yeah, well, I don't know, actually, to be honest. I don't know where GameStop is because I know for a while they were doing pretty good. But I don't know if they're- I mean, GameStop was at one point

trading for like 300 a share. It's at 210, man. Holy shit, really? Yeah, dude. Like it did peak at, you know, if we're looking at six months, it peaked at 302. Let's see if a year, if there's any more.

It peaked at, the highest was 347. But yeah, man, it's at 200 bucks, dude. Holy fuck. It's at 200 bucks a share. I mean, like- Holy fuck. Like these people have like there's been a group of people that have been

trying to hold on I mean this is like like GameStop was a funny joke back in March it's not anymore that's crazy yeah it's so like like look at and look at how stubborn that's stubbornness right they did it because they were stubborn they didn't do it because they were like because they were

rationally thinking about it they did it because they were like, because they were rationally thinking about it. They did it because they were stubborn. They wanted to fight against somebody. And so these are people who aren't doing it for a living. So they're just like, well, that was extra income. I'm just going to keep it then. And then other people started joining in and buying the shares and they moved the share cost up. I can't believe GameStop is trading at 200. It's pretty stable from what I saw from that little year thing. It's been pretty stable at like 200 for a while. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. Crazy. So yeah, you're absolutely right. And then that's just, that's just, I mean, you know, that's just how we think. It's just how we, and it's always trying to stop your intuition from doing, from thinking something bad. Right. Trying to be rational as often as you can. That's all you can

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